Boy feared for his life over knifepoint mugging (From Daily Echo)

Use the find my Iphone app, it may help locate the cowards

the two robbers escaped down an alleyway leading to Mandela Way.

Quelle surprise

Children with high value mobiles are a soft target for thieves. Leave the iPhone at home, and take a cheap mobile with you.

Chin up buddy, don't let this experience get the better of you. There are some twits out there, but they're vastly outnumbered by friendly and decent people.

Same thing happened to a friend of mines, son, funny thing is 8 months later the lad was seen around to corner from my mates house, by the son. I'm sure the lad will think twice about doing it again, after what happened!!!!

seriously though he has not been properly advised.... all parents should warn kids that on the jeremy-kyle-mile you don't flash anything that even looks expensive....

Mandela way, Now why does that not surprise me. There are plenty of apps out there to help you find the phone I suggest that you locate it and gather a few of the Warren lads to get it back from the Chavvy inbreds from that grubby little place.

Just because they ran along Mandela Way it doesn't mean they live there.
As soon as an i phone is barred its useless anyway, what a stupid crime this is.

Mandela Way! Say no more! Why cant the council bomb the area and the scum that 'exist' in it!!!! How much longer do us working honest people have to suffer at the hands of these vile little scumbags! In America the cops shoot the scumbags!! About time we followed suit!

Horrible thing to go through - but think the mum is going a bit overboard with her pose on the picture ! - Still joking apart I hope the little chap recovers from his ordeal

Sorry, but the sheer stupidity of giving a small child an iPhone 4 and letting them freely walked around public with it is almost beyond words. You are SURPRISED he got mugged?? You seriously endangered your child and lessons need to be learned here - just be thankful the worst didn't happen this time round. CHILDREN DO NOT NEED MOBILES. What next? Send him out adorned with gold jewellery wearing a sign saying 'mug me'?

Mothers fault... What 13 year old boy should be carrying around a £500 phone. Children are too vunrable and parents should be more aware and considerate of this. Wouldnt of had this problem with a book.

I don't think giving the boy the phone is the problem...maybe advising him and all others not to get their phone out in public when alone would be an advisable tip.

I agree setting them up with locate an iphone app will help track it down. It is a bit worrying that youths are going around carrying knives and there has been an increase in stabbings. It is time that spot checks were employed on the streets by police on any suspicious looking kids. They should then be arrested if found to be carrying.

Why dont the police pretend to have an iphone.

Walk the same area get it taken. Then have a locating device inside it, to track them down.

THAT WAY THEY WILL CATCH THEM USING TECHNOLOGY.

**** Pete wrote:
Why dont the police pretend to have an iphone.

Walk the same area get it taken. Then have a locating device inside it, to track them down.

THAT WAY THEY WILL CATCH THEM USING TECHNOLOGY.

I wasn't sure about that idea at first. But then I noticed that you'd typed the last sentence all in CAPS and now I'm convinced.

Poor kid, I hope his phone is covered on some Insurance Policy and he is allowed a replacement.

Why shouldn't he be free to carry what he wants, adults have nice cars, but we still drive them knowing the potential of having them stolen.

I hope you get a brand new phone and enjoy the use of it without some animal stealing it again.

Why would anyone in their right mind buy a phone like this for a thirteen year old, then let him take it alone, on a trip to town. This does not in any way justify what happened to the lad and I hope the scumbags are caught and dealt with in the harshest manner, but do thirteen year olds really need these kind of toys.

rightway wrote:
Why would anyone in their right mind buy a phone like this for a thirteen year old, then let him take it alone, on a trip to town. This does not in any way justify what happened to the lad and I hope the scumbags are caught and dealt with in the harshest manner, but do thirteen year olds really need these kind of toys.

Why shouldn't he have a nice phone if his parents feel he deserves it? We can't go through life fearing we can't have any luxuries incase they are stolen or we may as well all live life without nice things.

IronLady2010 wrote:

rightway wrote:
Why would anyone in their right mind buy a phone like this for a thirteen year old, then let him take it alone, on a trip to town. This does not in any way justify what happened to the lad and I hope the scumbags are caught and dealt with in the harshest manner, but do thirteen year olds really need these kind of toys.

Why shouldn't he have a nice phone if his parents feel he deserves it? We can't go through life fearing we can't have any luxuries incase they are stolen or we may as well all live life without nice things.

For those of us without that much disposable income, spending £400-500 on a phone for a child is hard to get your head around.

cantthinkofone wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

rightway wrote:
Why would anyone in their right mind buy a phone like this for a thirteen year old, then let him take it alone, on a trip to town. This does not in any way justify what happened to the lad and I hope the scumbags are caught and dealt with in the harshest manner, but do thirteen year olds really need these kind of toys.

Why shouldn't he have a nice phone if his parents feel he deserves it? We can't go through life fearing we can't have any luxuries incase they are stolen or we may as well all live life without nice things.

For those of us without that much disposable income, spending £400-500 on a phone for a child is hard to get your head around.

It's an Iphone 4, free on most contracts. Don't start sounding like Southy where those who can afford shouldn't have ;-)

IronLady2010 wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

rightway wrote:
Why would anyone in their right mind buy a phone like this for a thirteen year old, then let him take it alone, on a trip to town. This does not in any way justify what happened to the lad and I hope the scumbags are caught and dealt with in the harshest manner, but do thirteen year olds really need these kind of toys.

Why shouldn't he have a nice phone if his parents feel he deserves it? We can't go through life fearing we can't have any luxuries incase they are stolen or we may as well all live life without nice things.

For those of us without that much disposable income, spending £400-500 on a phone for a child is hard to get your head around.

It's an Iphone 4, free on most contracts. Don't start sounding like Southy where those who can afford shouldn't have ;-)

It's not 'free' at all, you pay for it over the contract.
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I didn't say anything about should or shouldn't have, I said "hard to get your head around".
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I'm gainfully employed in quite a reasonably paid job and I can't afford to splash that kind of cash on my nipper. So it's genuinely hard to understand how people can afford to do that kind of thing unless they're a senior doctor, lawyer, or similar. I don't think many people in that kind of position live in Shirley Warren though to be honest. It's not that she 'shouldn't buy it, it's that I struggle to understand how she *can*.
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Having said that, I'd also be rather uneasy about what it would teach my son about the value of money.

cantthinkofone wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

rightway wrote:
Why would anyone in their right mind buy a phone like this for a thirteen year old, then let him take it alone, on a trip to town. This does not in any way justify what happened to the lad and I hope the scumbags are caught and dealt with in the harshest manner, but do thirteen year olds really need these kind of toys.

Why shouldn't he have a nice phone if his parents feel he deserves it? We can't go through life fearing we can't have any luxuries incase they are stolen or we may as well all live life without nice things.

For those of us without that much disposable income, spending £400-500 on a phone for a child is hard to get your head around.

It's an Iphone 4, free on most contracts. Don't start sounding like Southy where those who can afford shouldn't have ;-)

It's not 'free' at all, you pay for it over the contract.
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I didn't say anything about should or shouldn't have, I said "hard to get your head around".
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I'm gainfully employed in quite a reasonably paid job and I can't afford to splash that kind of cash on my nipper. So it's genuinely hard to understand how people can afford to do that kind of thing unless they're a senior doctor, lawyer, or similar. I don't think many people in that kind of position live in Shirley Warren though to be honest. It's not that she 'shouldn't buy it, it's that I struggle to understand how she *can*.
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Having said that, I'd also be rather uneasy about what it would teach my son about the value of money.

I can see your point. But, to be fair he was walking in daylight on a busy route, surely he should be able to carry what he wants in safety.

We seem to be judging the victim to a degree.

IronLady2010 wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

rightway wrote:
Why would anyone in their right mind buy a phone like this for a thirteen year old, then let him take it alone, on a trip to town. This does not in any way justify what happened to the lad and I hope the scumbags are caught and dealt with in the harshest manner, but do thirteen year olds really need these kind of toys.

Why shouldn't he have a nice phone if his parents feel he deserves it? We can't go through life fearing we can't have any luxuries incase they are stolen or we may as well all live life without nice things.

For those of us without that much disposable income, spending £400-500 on a phone for a child is hard to get your head around.

It's an Iphone 4, free on most contracts. Don't start sounding like Southy where those who can afford shouldn't have ;-)

It's not 'free' at all, you pay for it over the contract.
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I didn't say anything about should or shouldn't have, I said "hard to get your head around".
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I'm gainfully employed in quite a reasonably paid job and I can't afford to splash that kind of cash on my nipper. So it's genuinely hard to understand how people can afford to do that kind of thing unless they're a senior doctor, lawyer, or similar. I don't think many people in that kind of position live in Shirley Warren though to be honest. It's not that she 'shouldn't buy it, it's that I struggle to understand how she *can*.
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Having said that, I'd also be rather uneasy about what it would teach my son about the value of money.

I can see your point. But, to be fair he was walking in daylight on a busy route, surely he should be able to carry what he wants in safety.

We seem to be judging the victim to a degree.

Absolutely. The lad didn't deserve anything rotten to happen to him at all. He's worked hard apparently, and should be congratulated and feel proud of himself.
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There's also nothing to suggest he was behaving unwisely by flashing the phone about or anything, and no reason to suggest he was mugged *because* of the model of phone. As far as I can see from the story the model had nothing to do with it and he still would have been mugged if he was carrying a Nokia 6510.
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My comments were more a general observation, and not intended to be taken as causal.

chrisja wrote:
Sorry, but the sheer stupidity of giving a small child an iPhone 4 and letting them freely walked around public with it is almost beyond words. You are SURPRISED he got mugged?? You seriously endangered your child and lessons need to be learned here - just be thankful the worst didn't happen this time round. CHILDREN DO NOT NEED MOBILES. What next? Send him out adorned with gold jewellery wearing a sign saying 'mug me'?

Ok, so it may not be sensible for children to have these expensive items, but the blame lies with the muggers not the mum. I hope that these low life are caught and punished appropriately.

solomum wrote:

chrisja wrote:
Sorry, but the sheer stupidity of giving a small child an iPhone 4 and letting them freely walked around public with it is almost beyond words. You are SURPRISED he got mugged?? You seriously endangered your child and lessons need to be learned here - just be thankful the worst didn't happen this time round. CHILDREN DO NOT NEED MOBILES. What next? Send him out adorned with gold jewellery wearing a sign saying 'mug me'?

Ok, so it may not be sensible for children to have these expensive items, but the blame lies with the muggers not the mum. I hope that these low life are caught and punished appropriately.

Why shouldn't he have this expensive item?

It's his parents choice to give him this phone, why shouldn't he carry it during a daytime. Who has any right to take it from him.

There is no point in giving your child a mobile phone for them to leave it at home, how do you contact them when they're out?

IronLady2010 wrote:

solomum wrote:

chrisja wrote:
Sorry, but the sheer stupidity of giving a small child an iPhone 4 and letting them freely walked around public with it is almost beyond words. You are SURPRISED he got mugged?? You seriously endangered your child and lessons need to be learned here - just be thankful the worst didn't happen this time round. CHILDREN DO NOT NEED MOBILES. What next? Send him out adorned with gold jewellery wearing a sign saying 'mug me'?

Ok, so it may not be sensible for children to have these expensive items, but the blame lies with the muggers not the mum. I hope that these low life are caught and punished appropriately.

Why shouldn't he have this expensive item?

It's his parents choice to give him this phone, why shouldn't he carry it during a daytime. Who has any right to take it from him.

There is no point in giving your child a mobile phone for them to leave it at home, how do you contact them when they're out?

Would you cash in your life saving then give them to a child to carry around on their own, it should be perfectly safe, just because no one has the right to take them doesn't mean they won't.
As I have said, I do hope these scumbags are caught and the lad does get past this, he has done nothing wrong, but I feel the mother was a little naive, not everyone has been brought up with the same values.

rightway wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

solomum wrote:

chrisja wrote:
Sorry, but the sheer stupidity of giving a small child an iPhone 4 and letting them freely walked around public with it is almost beyond words. You are SURPRISED he got mugged?? You seriously endangered your child and lessons need to be learned here - just be thankful the worst didn't happen this time round. CHILDREN DO NOT NEED MOBILES. What next? Send him out adorned with gold jewellery wearing a sign saying 'mug me'?

Ok, so it may not be sensible for children to have these expensive items, but the blame lies with the muggers not the mum. I hope that these low life are caught and punished appropriately.

Why shouldn't he have this expensive item?

It's his parents choice to give him this phone, why shouldn't he carry it during a daytime. Who has any right to take it from him.

There is no point in giving your child a mobile phone for them to leave it at home, how do you contact them when they're out?

Would you cash in your life saving then give them to a child to carry around on their own, it should be perfectly safe, just because no one has the right to take them doesn't mean they won't.
As I have said, I do hope these scumbags are caught and the lad does get past this, he has done nothing wrong, but I feel the mother was a little naive, not everyone has been brought up with the same values.

"Would you cash in your life saving then give them to a child to carry around on their own"
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I would.
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£5.40...

cantthinkofone wrote:

rightway wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

solomum wrote:

chrisja wrote:
Sorry, but the sheer stupidity of giving a small child an iPhone 4 and letting them freely walked around public with it is almost beyond words. You are SURPRISED he got mugged?? You seriously endangered your child and lessons need to be learned here - just be thankful the worst didn't happen this time round. CHILDREN DO NOT NEED MOBILES. What next? Send him out adorned with gold jewellery wearing a sign saying 'mug me'?

Ok, so it may not be sensible for children to have these expensive items, but the blame lies with the muggers not the mum. I hope that these low life are caught and punished appropriately.

Why shouldn't he have this expensive item?

It's his parents choice to give him this phone, why shouldn't he carry it during a daytime. Who has any right to take it from him.

There is no point in giving your child a mobile phone for them to leave it at home, how do you contact them when they're out?

Would you cash in your life saving then give them to a child to carry around on their own, it should be perfectly safe, just because no one has the right to take them doesn't mean they won't.
As I have said, I do hope these scumbags are caught and the lad does get past this, he has done nothing wrong, but I feel the mother was a little naive, not everyone has been brought up with the same values.

"Would you cash in your life saving then give them to a child to carry around on their own"
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I would.
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£5.40...

Thats just spoiling them.

rightway wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

solomum wrote:

chrisja wrote:
Sorry, but the sheer stupidity of giving a small child an iPhone 4 and letting them freely walked around public with it is almost beyond words. You are SURPRISED he got mugged?? You seriously endangered your child and lessons need to be learned here - just be thankful the worst didn't happen this time round. CHILDREN DO NOT NEED MOBILES. What next? Send him out adorned with gold jewellery wearing a sign saying 'mug me'?

Ok, so it may not be sensible for children to have these expensive items, but the blame lies with the muggers not the mum. I hope that these low life are caught and punished appropriately.

Why shouldn't he have this expensive item?

It's his parents choice to give him this phone, why shouldn't he carry it during a daytime. Who has any right to take it from him.

There is no point in giving your child a mobile phone for them to leave it at home, how do you contact them when they're out?

Would you cash in your life saving then give them to a child to carry around on their own, it should be perfectly safe, just because no one has the right to take them doesn't mean they won't.
As I have said, I do hope these scumbags are caught and the lad does get past this, he has done nothing wrong, but I feel the mother was a little naive, not everyone has been brought up with the same values.

A mobile phone that may have cost nothing upfront but may cost £15 a month including texts and phone calls is not life savings.

Blimey, is this lad to live in the dark ages and sit at home reading a stone?

Low life criminals like this are scourge on modern western society. Fortunately due to inbreeding, poor breeding and even worse upbringing they are almost all very stupid and predictable.
These lowlifes will live locally and the direction of their escape has provided the local Police with a huge clue. If the local Police visit the area, speak with local informants and harass some of the local "heavies" then London to a brick the names of these apprentice criminals will pop up. There is no honour amomg thieves - self-interest will always prevail.
Oh I forgot - it is politically incorrect to harass criminals nowdays - they are now clients and must be treated with courtesy and respect. What a load on nonsense.

MiddleOfRoad wrote:
Low life criminals like this are scourge on modern western society. Fortunately due to inbreeding, poor breeding and even worse upbringing they are almost all very stupid and predictable.
These lowlifes will live locally and the direction of their escape has provided the local Police with a huge clue. If the local Police visit the area, speak with local informants and harass some of the local "heavies" then London to a brick the names of these apprentice criminals will pop up. There is no honour amomg thieves - self-interest will always prevail.
Oh I forgot - it is politically incorrect to harass criminals nowdays - they are now clients and must be treated with courtesy and respect. What a load on nonsense.

Many issues are that the Police cannot stop known criminals through fear of harassment. It's ok to stop them now and again, but once they're stopped they know they can do what they want for a few hours.

It needs a compromise between what Cantthinkofone says and more prisons with less 'perks'.

Let's be honest with everyone, I have no criminal record, never been arrested, so I know I can go out and shoplift and get away with a Police Caution, THAT is a fact!

MiddleOfRoad wrote:
Low life criminals like this are scourge on modern western society. Fortunately due to inbreeding, poor breeding and even worse upbringing they are almost all very stupid and predictable.
These lowlifes will live locally and the direction of their escape has provided the local Police with a huge clue. If the local Police visit the area, speak with local informants and harass some of the local "heavies" then London to a brick the names of these apprentice criminals will pop up. There is no honour amomg thieves - self-interest will always prevail.
Oh I forgot - it is politically incorrect to harass criminals nowdays - they are now clients and must be treated with courtesy and respect. What a load on nonsense.

"Fortunately due to inbreeding, poor breeding and even worse upbringing they are almost all very stupid and predictable."
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Wow. Eugenics.
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I hate to flirt with Godwin's Law, but...

cantthinkofone wrote:

MiddleOfRoad wrote:
Low life criminals like this are scourge on modern western society. Fortunately due to inbreeding, poor breeding and even worse upbringing they are almost all very stupid and predictable.
These lowlifes will live locally and the direction of their escape has provided the local Police with a huge clue. If the local Police visit the area, speak with local informants and harass some of the local "heavies" then London to a brick the names of these apprentice criminals will pop up. There is no honour amomg thieves - self-interest will always prevail.
Oh I forgot - it is politically incorrect to harass criminals nowdays - they are now clients and must be treated with courtesy and respect. What a load on nonsense.

"Fortunately due to inbreeding, poor breeding and even worse upbringing they are almost all very stupid and predictable."
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Wow. Eugenics.
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I hate to flirt with Godwin's Law, but...

Ah if only eugenics was an option. Sadly our current societal pressures seem to encourage higher reproduction of less desired people and traits rather than the opposite.
We will become a breed of straw castle people rather than brick castle people if this trend does not gain some sort of sanity and common sense.

MiddleOfRoad wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

MiddleOfRoad wrote:
Low life criminals like this are scourge on modern western society. Fortunately due to inbreeding, poor breeding and even worse upbringing they are almost all very stupid and predictable.
These lowlifes will live locally and the direction of their escape has provided the local Police with a huge clue. If the local Police visit the area, speak with local informants and harass some of the local "heavies" then London to a brick the names of these apprentice criminals will pop up. There is no honour amomg thieves - self-interest will always prevail.
Oh I forgot - it is politically incorrect to harass criminals nowdays - they are now clients and must be treated with courtesy and respect. What a load on nonsense.

"Fortunately due to inbreeding, poor breeding and even worse upbringing they are almost all very stupid and predictable."
.
Wow. Eugenics.
.
I hate to flirt with Godwin's Law, but...

Ah if only eugenics was an option. Sadly our current societal pressures seem to encourage higher reproduction of less desired people and traits rather than the opposite.
We will become a breed of straw castle people rather than brick castle people if this trend does not gain some sort of sanity and common sense.

Actually, statistically, more educated people are giving birth, you just don't hear about them as they aren't committing crime.

IronLady2010 wrote:

MiddleOfRoad wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

MiddleOfRoad wrote:
Low life criminals like this are scourge on modern western society. Fortunately due to inbreeding, poor breeding and even worse upbringing they are almost all very stupid and predictable.
These lowlifes will live locally and the direction of their escape has provided the local Police with a huge clue. If the local Police visit the area, speak with local informants and harass some of the local "heavies" then London to a brick the names of these apprentice criminals will pop up. There is no honour amomg thieves - self-interest will always prevail.
Oh I forgot - it is politically incorrect to harass criminals nowdays - they are now clients and must be treated with courtesy and respect. What a load on nonsense.

"Fortunately due to inbreeding, poor breeding and even worse upbringing they are almost all very stupid and predictable."
.
Wow. Eugenics.
.
I hate to flirt with Godwin's Law, but...

Ah if only eugenics was an option. Sadly our current societal pressures seem to encourage higher reproduction of less desired people and traits rather than the opposite.
We will become a breed of straw castle people rather than brick castle people if this trend does not gain some sort of sanity and common sense.

Actually, statistically, more educated people are giving birth, you just don't hear about them as they aren't committing crime.

I confess to not having those stats handy and merely make comments based upon my perception of common sense and my life experiences.
Though if the snapshot sample we saw in "one born every minute" based in that well known Soton hospital is an indicator the "more educated people" were rather thin on the ground!

MiddleOfRoad wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

MiddleOfRoad wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

MiddleOfRoad wrote:
Low life criminals like this are scourge on modern western society. Fortunately due to inbreeding, poor breeding and even worse upbringing they are almost all very stupid and predictable.
These lowlifes will live locally and the direction of their escape has provided the local Police with a huge clue. If the local Police visit the area, speak with local informants and harass some of the local "heavies" then London to a brick the names of these apprentice criminals will pop up. There is no honour amomg thieves - self-interest will always prevail.
Oh I forgot - it is politically incorrect to harass criminals nowdays - they are now clients and must be treated with courtesy and respect. What a load on nonsense.

"Fortunately due to inbreeding, poor breeding and even worse upbringing they are almost all very stupid and predictable."
.
Wow. Eugenics.
.
I hate to flirt with Godwin's Law, but...

Ah if only eugenics was an option. Sadly our current societal pressures seem to encourage higher reproduction of less desired people and traits rather than the opposite.
We will become a breed of straw castle people rather than brick castle people if this trend does not gain some sort of sanity and common sense.

Actually, statistically, more educated people are giving birth, you just don't hear about them as they aren't committing crime.

I confess to not having those stats handy and merely make comments based upon my perception of common sense and my life experiences.
Though if the snapshot sample we saw in "one born every minute" based in that well known Soton hospital is an indicator the "more educated people" were rather thin on the ground!

I admit, that made me smile and I take your point!

chrisja wrote:
Sorry, but the sheer stupidity of giving a small child an iPhone 4 and letting them freely walked around public with it is almost beyond words. You are SURPRISED he got mugged?? You seriously endangered your child and lessons need to be learned here - just be thankful the worst didn't happen this time round. CHILDREN DO NOT NEED MOBILES. What next? Send him out adorned with gold jewellery wearing a sign saying 'mug me'?

I saw your comment and HAD to just say... WHAT YEAR ARE YOU LIVING IN? first of all a 13 year old is NOT a small child - he is a teenager in secondary school - and in just 3 short yers will be a school leaver, in 5 will be an adault making him a YOUNG ADAULT. Yes, we can all WRITE IN CAPS TO HIGHLIGHT MEANINGLESS SENTENCES!. Seriously though, why shouldnt a teenager have a mobile phone? you can pick them up these days from about £150 these days so are relativeley cheap for what you are getting and very few people fork out for handsets these days with tariffs starting at £15 a month with the phone chucked in for nothing. SO MAJOR EXAGGERATION ON YOUR PART!!!! Also, i would like to point out to the ridiculously idiotic fool who stated wonderment that someone from shirley warren could afford a mobile phone that well over half the houses in shirley warren are, in fact privately owned by sensible people with jobs. Just because you seem to spend all of your cash on some kind of hallucanegenic dosen't mean the rest of us do too!

Don't forget Parents, don't buy your children calvin klein pants or they may come home naked! Make sure you only give the cheapest possible as our streets aren't safe!

No excuse for what happened, those muppets should be put away.

But....Western greed society at its best: "why shoulditn I have all this?"

Because you dont need it...

The children who achieve the most are those who read, paint, draw, play a musical instrument, play sport, learn how to use a computer, do their homework on time, revise for exams, etc etc.

Having an IPhone is a complete waste for a 13 year old.

A simple PayAsYou Go phone would suffice.............
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