SHOCKING: Appalling conditions revealed at jail (From Daily Echo)

romsey saint wrote:
Easy answer is ....... if you dont commit a crime you will not go to prison

bigal007 wrote:
i worked there many years ago they need to sort out the staff than the inmates it was the worst job i ever done there more problems with staff than inmates

it was the same old story it not what you know its who you know if you wanted to get on in there

i worked there for 4 years i was happy to see the back of it some of the officers should be named and shamed power goes to there heads

well i in alot better job now and so much happyer

Big Mac wrote:

bigal007 wrote:
i worked there many years ago they need to sort out the staff than the inmates it was the worst job i ever done there more problems with staff than inmates

it was the same old story it not what you know its who you know if you wanted to get on in there

i worked there for 4 years i was happy to see the back of it some of the officers should be named and shamed power goes to there heads

well i in alot better job now and so much happyer

Good for you. Hopefully there's not too much writing required.

J.P.M... wrote:

romsey saint wrote:
Easy answer is ....... if you dont commit a crime you will not go to prison

put a lot of thought into that comment?

romsey saint wrote:
Easy answer is ....... if you dont commit a crime you will not go to prison

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

J.P.M... wrote:

romsey saint wrote:
Easy answer is ....... if you dont commit a crime you will not go to prison

put a lot of thought into that comment?

You haven't, have you anything sensible to add to the debate? Let's hear it.

romsey saint wrote:
Easy answer is ....... if you dont commit a crime you will not go to prison

romsey saint wrote:
Easy answer is ....... if you dont commit a crime you will not go to prison

loonaloop wrote:

romsey saint wrote:
Easy answer is ....... if you dont commit a crime you will not go to prison

Spot on mate. How the hell can a criminal have the right to complain about standards inside, Human rights etc etc. Do they think of human rights whilst drunkenly smashing someones head in or burgling someones home ? Cheeky tw@ts.

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I would imagine that the photograph could be a help for anyone planning an escape! Anyway with a new Chaplain they have help in praying to get out of the place. This is obviously a Prison that needs to be sorted out, but the current Government have other priorities for their money so don't expect an improvement soon, more likely a cutback in staff.

nosuchluck54 wrote:

loonaloop wrote:

romsey saint wrote:
Easy answer is ....... if you dont commit a crime you will not go to prison

Spot on mate. How the hell can a criminal have the right to complain about standards inside, Human rights etc etc. Do they think of human rights whilst drunkenly smashing someones head in or burgling someones home ? Cheeky tw@ts.

Is that what they did?

kev63 wrote:

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I would imagine that the photograph could be a help for anyone planning an escape! Anyway with a new Chaplain they have help in praying to get out of the place. This is obviously a Prison that needs to be sorted out, but the current Government have other priorities for their money so don't expect an improvement soon, more likely a cutback in staff.

Yeah, coz you can't see it on google maps can you? Der

loonaloop wrote:

nosuchluck54 wrote:

loonaloop wrote:

romsey saint wrote:
Easy answer is ....... if you dont commit a crime you will not go to prison

Spot on mate. How the hell can a criminal have the right to complain about standards inside, Human rights etc etc. Do they think of human rights whilst drunkenly smashing someones head in or burgling someones home ? Cheeky tw@ts.

Is that what they did?

does it matter what they did? let me give you a clue - They are in prison i.e wrongun`s = loss of any rights. Its a shame transportation was stopped in my opinion. by the way have you ever been a victim of crime because in my eyes anyone who has sympathy for the pond life inside must be one of them.

loonaloop wrote:

nosuchluck54 wrote:

loonaloop wrote:

romsey saint wrote:
Easy answer is ....... if you dont commit a crime you will not go to prison

Spot on mate. How the hell can a criminal have the right to complain about standards inside, Human rights etc etc. Do they think of human rights whilst drunkenly smashing someones head in or burgling someones home ? Cheeky tw@ts.

Is that what they did?

does it matter what they did? let me give you a clue - They are in prison i.e wrongun`s = loss of any rights. Its a shame transportation was stopped in my opinion. by the way have you ever been a victim of crime because in my eyes anyone who has sympathy for the pond life inside must be one of them.

Inform Al wrote:
I thought the article was about my supported accommodation until I got to the bit about drugs. Thanks to a bus route that allows some of the oldies to get to the doctors and pharmacy but not back and others to get back but not to the doctors and pharmacy there is probably a shortage of drugs here. Not to worry though if they don't die off they can get themselves sent to prison, eventually, for their drugs.

-stiv- wrote:
I think it can say a lot about a nation when you look at how it treats it's prisoners.

If their basic needs can't even be addressed, what hope could their ever be for their futures?

Any rehabilitation?
Any retraining?
Are they being given any skills to help them get by outside?
Mental heath care?

They'd be no worse off in some dank dungeon if not.

No, when they've served their time just let them out. Watch them get knocked around by the world that they obviously have never been equipped to handle. Then watch them get thrown back in again.

I've never robbed a post office or killed anyone with a brick, but I never had to live in Millbrook .

-stiv- wrote:
I think it can say a lot about a nation when you look at how it treats it's prisoners.

If their basic needs can't even be addressed, what hope could their ever be for their futures?

Any rehabilitation?
Any retraining?
Are they being given any skills to help them get by outside?
Mental heath care?

They'd be no worse off in some dank dungeon if not.

No, when they've served their time just let them out. Watch them get knocked around by the world that they obviously have never been equipped to handle. Then watch them get thrown back in again.

I've never robbed a post office or killed anyone with a brick, but I never had to live in Millbrook .

Lockssmart wrote:
J.P.M. Is a Troll

Subject48 wrote:
Vars1234 have your house ever been burgled?

Do you know anyone close that had their head kicked in for no reason because the ocupant of our hiltons i mean prisons wanted to sho ho "ard" he was to his mates?

What you dont seem to get your head around is that certain individuals will rob and killy ou if you give them your last penny for the shirt on your back.

As much as I'm a firm believer in that fact that everyone should be given a chance, there comes a point where enough is enough.

You cant force someone to change no matter how much money and effort you throw at them.

As someone well pointed out, human rights should be aprivelage you give up the moment you CHOOSE to act against humanity.

Vars1234 wrote:

-stiv- wrote:
I think it can say a lot about a nation when you look at how it treats it's prisoners.

If their basic needs can't even be addressed, what hope could their ever be for their futures?

Any rehabilitation?
Any retraining?
Are they being given any skills to help them get by outside?
Mental heath care?

They'd be no worse off in some dank dungeon if not.

No, when they've served their time just let them out. Watch them get knocked around by the world that they obviously have never been equipped to handle. Then watch them get thrown back in again.

I've never robbed a post office or killed anyone with a brick, but I never had to live in Millbrook .

I completely agree... The numbskulls who have spouted hatred (and by the way kiddynamite, wanting their faces smashed in every day makes you sound like a complete criminal thug yourself and no one suggested prison should be like the Hilton so please try to add something intelligent to the debate) clearly have no understanding of the very real issues that affect prisons and their populations. 16% of the prison population is severely mentally ill with many more suffering from other mental health issues. Most have been victimised in their own formative years through violence and abuse and a larger than average proportion were brought up in care. If we want to help these people to live law abiding lives and in this way protect society from further harm then we need to address the needs of the prisoners and start to support their rehabilitation, with the help of probation and other appropriate agencies. This needs resources but is much cheaper than paying for the policing, prosecution and sentencing for further crimes, not to mention the emotional cost to victims. I work within the criminal justice system (and yes I have also been the victim of crime) and ignorant people who spread thuggish counter-productive views really irritate me. Thank you stiv and the other rational people for bringing some intelligence to the debate.

Vars1234 wrote:

Subject48 wrote:
Vars1234 have your house ever been burgled?

Do you know anyone close that had their head kicked in for no reason because the ocupant of our hiltons i mean prisons wanted to sho ho "ard" he was to his mates?

What you dont seem to get your head around is that certain individuals will rob and killy ou if you give them your last penny for the shirt on your back.

As much as I'm a firm believer in that fact that everyone should be given a chance, there comes a point where enough is enough.

You cant force someone to change no matter how much money and effort you throw at them.

As someone well pointed out, human rights should be aprivelage you give up the moment you CHOOSE to act against humanity.

subject48, yes, my family and I have been victims of armed robbery at gunpoint. I also work with murderers and other high risk offenders although the type of offender / prisoner that you speak of is thankfully very rare and certainly not representative of the average criminal... Where does your opinion come from and are you any kind of authority on the subject, or are you just regurgitating tabloid gumph??

J.P.M wrote:
Locksmart - I see from your IP address that you may not be innocent?

Vars1234 wrote:
J.P.M are you normally so condescending?

Inform Al wrote:

Vars1234 wrote:
J.P.M are you normally so condescending?

Bet we get a comment about Troll's now

J.P.M wrote:
I laughed, as I thought the article explained why bigal and locksmart have got very similar views -
They co-habitate up in Winchester!!!

Vars1234 wrote:
J.P.M are you normally so condescending?

J.P.M wrote:

Vars1234 wrote:
J.P.M are you normally so condescending?

Yup

I despair when I read your pathetic attempts at playground squabbling.

If I still lived in the UK, I would not walk the streets at night - or day - or in Totton or Eastleigh at all.

Inform Al wrote:

J.P.M wrote:

Vars1234 wrote:
J.P.M are you normally so condescending?

Yup

I despair when I read your pathetic attempts at playground squabbling.

If I still lived in the UK, I would not walk the streets at night - or day - or in Totton or Eastleigh at all.

OMG, are you on the Isle of Wight then?

J.P.M wrote:

Vars1234 wrote:
J.P.M are you normally so condescending?

Yup

I despair when I read your pathetic attempts at playground squabbling.

If I still lived in the UK, I would not walk the streets at night - or day - or in Totton or Eastleigh at all.

sparkster wrote:
I agree that prisoners have basic rights but what about the victims of mugging or the families of people who have been murdered and what they have to go through, i agree if you dont do the crime you wont do the time

Vars1234 wrote:

-stiv- wrote: I think it can say a lot about a nation when you look at how it treats it's prisoners. If their basic needs can't even be addressed, what hope could their ever be for their futures? Any rehabilitation? Any retraining? Are they being given any skills to help them get by outside? Mental heath care? They'd be no worse off in some dank dungeon if not. No, when they've served their time just let them out. Watch them get knocked around by the world that they obviously have never been equipped to handle. Then watch them get thrown back in again. I've never robbed a post office or killed anyone with a brick, but I never had to live in Millbrook .

I completely agree... The numbskulls who have spouted hatred (and by the way kiddynamite, wanting their faces smashed in every day makes you sound like a complete criminal thug yourself and no one suggested prison should be like the Hilton so please try to add something intelligent to the debate) clearly have no understanding of the very real issues that affect prisons and their populations. 16% of the prison population is severely mentally ill with many more suffering from other mental health issues. Most have been victimised in their own formative years through violence and abuse and a larger than average proportion were brought up in care. If we want to help these people to live law abiding lives and in this way protect society from further harm then we need to address the needs of the prisoners and start to support their rehabilitation, with the help of probation and other appropriate agencies. This needs resources but is much cheaper than paying for the policing, prosecution and sentencing for further crimes, not to mention the emotional cost to victims. I work within the criminal justice system (and yes I have also been the victim of crime) and ignorant people who spread thuggish counter-productive views really irritate me. Thank you stiv and the other rational people for bringing some intelligence to the debate.

****-Biker wrote:

Vars1234 wrote:

-stiv- wrote: I think it can say a lot about a nation when you look at how it treats it's prisoners. If their basic needs can't even be addressed, what hope could their ever be for their futures? Any rehabilitation? Any retraining? Are they being given any skills to help them get by outside? Mental heath care? They'd be no worse off in some dank dungeon if not. No, when they've served their time just let them out. Watch them get knocked around by the world that they obviously have never been equipped to handle. Then watch them get thrown back in again. I've never robbed a post office or killed anyone with a brick, but I never had to live in Millbrook .

I completely agree... The numbskulls who have spouted hatred (and by the way kiddynamite, wanting their faces smashed in every day makes you sound like a complete criminal thug yourself and no one suggested prison should be like the Hilton so please try to add something intelligent to the debate) clearly have no understanding of the very real issues that affect prisons and their populations. 16% of the prison population is severely mentally ill with many more suffering from other mental health issues. Most have been victimised in their own formative years through violence and abuse and a larger than average proportion were brought up in care. If we want to help these people to live law abiding lives and in this way protect society from further harm then we need to address the needs of the prisoners and start to support their rehabilitation, with the help of probation and other appropriate agencies. This needs resources but is much cheaper than paying for the policing, prosecution and sentencing for further crimes, not to mention the emotional cost to victims. I work within the criminal justice system (and yes I have also been the victim of crime) and ignorant people who spread thuggish counter-productive views really irritate me. Thank you stiv and the other rational people for bringing some intelligence to the debate.

Vars, you have obviously not heard of the forensic mental health system and prisons like Winchester have a mental health team within it

Inform Al wrote:

****-Biker wrote:

Vars1234 wrote:

-stiv- wrote: I think it can say a lot about a nation when you look at how it treats it's prisoners. If their basic needs can't even be addressed, what hope could their ever be for their futures? Any rehabilitation? Any retraining? Are they being given any skills to help them get by outside? Mental heath care? They'd be no worse off in some dank dungeon if not. No, when they've served their time just let them out. Watch them get knocked around by the world that they obviously have never been equipped to handle. Then watch them get thrown back in again. I've never robbed a post office or killed anyone with a brick, but I never had to live in Millbrook .

I completely agree... The numbskulls who have spouted hatred (and by the way kiddynamite, wanting their faces smashed in every day makes you sound like a complete criminal thug yourself and no one suggested prison should be like the Hilton so please try to add something intelligent to the debate) clearly have no understanding of the very real issues that affect prisons and their populations. 16% of the prison population is severely mentally ill with many more suffering from other mental health issues. Most have been victimised in their own formative years through violence and abuse and a larger than average proportion were brought up in care. If we want to help these people to live law abiding lives and in this way protect society from further harm then we need to address the needs of the prisoners and start to support their rehabilitation, with the help of probation and other appropriate agencies. This needs resources but is much cheaper than paying for the policing, prosecution and sentencing for further crimes, not to mention the emotional cost to victims. I work within the criminal justice system (and yes I have also been the victim of crime) and ignorant people who spread thuggish counter-productive views really irritate me. Thank you stiv and the other rational people for bringing some intelligence to the debate.

Vars, you have obviously not heard of the forensic mental health system and prisons like Winchester have a mental health team within it

If the hospital mental health wards had not been so drastically cut there would be far fewer prisoners with mental health problems. The system sucks.

****-Biker wrote:
As far as I am aware Al they have not cut any forensic mental health beds in this county, dont confuse these units for the beds lost at Woodhaven etc which are for adults who are acutely unwell

Lazy wrote:
I spent 3 weeks there years ago and heres what ive got to say about this story

"23 and a half hours" Wrong its actually 22 hours unless your a worker (cleaner,kitchen worker etc)
"shower on the landing not adapted" Um again wrong there is 1 shower room per "WING" not landing and from what i remember its more than adaptable for a disabled person !
"small window painted over" THIS CELL IS THE TOP CELL ON "A" WING CONNECTED TO "C" WING AND ITS THE PEDO CELL !! WINDOW IS PAINTED OVER TO THE CELL ON "C" WING CANT SEE THEM (THEY GET ALOT OF ABUSE BTW)
"no drug tests" ? er wrong, every prisioner in the first 5 days of arriving at winchester gets tested (there is a special room for this) and if you pass the test (like i did) then you get put in "D" wing (the good wing) and you get tested regular
"felt unsafe" yes ill agree with this....specialy in the "yard"
"insufficent activity" remember winchester is a remand center not for long term sentences, but yea apart from the library and a few "work" places (if your a good boy) then your stuffed
"the "screws" yup typical ex army/police bullies dont give a monkeys about prisioners

Oh and "romsey saint" - Say you goto town for a night out and some guy decides to punch you what do you do ? like any bloke your gonna hit him back right ? well lets say you do and the guy falls bad smashes his head and dies....you goto prision but hey does that say your a criminal because you didnt mean to did you ? that was a total example btw just like im going to say your most probably a complete moron...

Thats my five cents worth !!

MiddleOfRoad wrote:
I am not a do-gooder by any means. However, we have to maintain a reasonable standard of accommodation, care and programming in our prisons. Without the basics we are just creating on-going dramas with inmates and staff and for society when we release crims who are even more tarnished than before.
Lets be frank - some of the issues will be resources including funds but there will also be a significant staff cultural problem which will build on and exacerbate the resourcing problems.
I suspect the prison boss is encountering the myriad of problems and equally a myriad of demands from staff, unions, prisoners, do-gooders, politicians, senior external prison administrators - all demanding one thing or another while none will assume any responsibility for the mess.
Bottom line as western countries we have an obligation to provide humane safe, well disciplined, controlled and secure prisons. No-one is suggesting that prisons can be marvellous places of rehabilitation - that's just feel good garbage trotted out by delusional people but we must nonetheless have humane conditions.
Always use the litmus test - how would you feel if your son, brother or close relative was being housed in such a shitheap?

J.P.M wrote:
I laughed, as I thought the article explained why bigal and locksmart have got very similar views -
They co-habitate up in Winchester!!!

Inform Al wrote:

****-Biker wrote: As far as I am aware Al they have not cut any forensic mental health beds in this county, dont confuse these units for the beds lost at Woodhaven etc which are for adults who are acutely unwell

No it was the general situation I was refering to, too many people with mental health problems are left to get on with it without any help.

****-Biker wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

****-Biker wrote: As far as I am aware Al they have not cut any forensic mental health beds in this county, dont confuse these units for the beds lost at Woodhaven etc which are for adults who are acutely unwell

No it was the general situation I was refering to, too many people with mental health problems are left to get on with it without any help.

disagree, there is help if you need it AND are willing to work with them
Victoria Nye being a case in point

****-Biker wrote:
most staff can adapt