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Buses under attack - services to Millbrook suspended after yobs hurl bricks and stones
10:33am Wednesday 20th March 2013 in News
By Rebecca Pearson, Reporter
A Blue Star employee repairs one of the buses
A BUS firm stopped services through a housing estate after young vandals pelted a single-decker with bricks and stones.
The attack shattered a window on Blue Star’s number 18 service while several passengers were on board as it went through Millbrook in Southampton.
It is one of eight incidents in which buses have been targeted by youths in the area since Saturday, according to police. No one has been hurt.
Blue Star suspended its routes through Millbrook from 9pm to midnight on Monday. Now the company says it could withdraw its vehicles for longer if the vandalism continues.
Most of the incidents took place near Mansel Park. A number of First buses have also been targeted.
Blue Star operations manager Paul Coin took the decision to withdraw his firm’s buses for the safety of staff and passengers.
He said: “We know that by withdrawing a service we’re disadvantaging loyal customers, which is something we don’t want to do, but we have to put the safety of our drivers and customers first.
“We are monitoring it on a daily basis. We may take a view that we might have to withdraw for a lengthier period next time but the last thing we want to do is make Millbrook a no go area.”
The suspension of services has dismayed residents.
Chris Fox, 72, a retired company director, from Millbrook, said: “There are a lot of people who don’t have cars and are on benefits, so they rely on the buses to get into the city centre.”
A spokeswoman for First Hampshire & Dorset confirmed that the company had also had problems with anti social behaviour in Millbrook.
She said: “While relatively rare, incidents like these can be dangerous and if a member of the public were to be caught up in one – being hit by one of the objects thrown – it could cause significant injury.”
Both bus firms are working with the police to prevent further vandalism.
A Hampshire police spokesman said: “This seems to be mindless acts of vandalism by youths throwing stones or similar items at the buses and breaking windows, which sometimes then shatter.
“Not only does this put the passengers and driver in real danger from breaking glass and the distraction but it also means the buses have to be repaired. which takes them off the road. This can affect everyone who uses the bus service in Millbrook.
“We will be working with the bus companies to try and catch those responsible and would urge anyone with any information about who is carrying out the vandalism to contact us.”
Blue Star buses were running as usual yesterday.
Anyone with information should contact the Shirley Safer Neighbourhoods team on 101 or Crimestoppers an-onymously on 0800 555 111.
Comments(58)
CharlieOxbridge
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10:53am Wed 20 Mar 13
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It is up to the community to get their estate back inline and to safe condition so that the bus drivers feel confident with driving back into the area.
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Meetings need to be held with the community, PCSO's and bus company. If they want their bus services back they will have to work for it, maybe volunteer as security for the bus route.
Ginger_cyclist
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11:04am Wed 20 Mar 13
townieboy
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11:06am Wed 20 Mar 13
Is it that hard to stop these morons ?
Mr Price
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11:09am Wed 20 Mar 13
Torchie1
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11:11am Wed 20 Mar 13
so'tongirl
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11:11am Wed 20 Mar 13
I've had a window put through on my bus, the brick narrowly missing a pregnant woman.
Mr Price
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11:11am Wed 20 Mar 13
seven777.
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11:35am Wed 20 Mar 13
Mr Price wrote:Since we are inviting the French to run our power industry how about doing a deal with the chinese to provide prison
I was on the 18 Bus with my wife and kids when the bus got pelted.The driver called the Police but said no action could be taken as they ran off....CCTV Cameras every where but no one to view them...The kids do these things cos they can ...This was 5 years ago so nothings changes.
sevices on main land China. Con Air
the fu@kers to China and see how many re offend if they live long enough to come back.
Mr Price
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11:41am Wed 20 Mar 13
seven777. wrote:Just seems that no one is policing anymore on the streets......City Patrol was an excellent idea but the guys had no power but they did get to locations reported fairly quickly..we should have had given them more powers..instead they have been removed with nothing to replace them.Honestly sadly to say things are getting worse and out of control.
Mr Price wrote:Since we are inviting the French to run our power industry how about doing a deal with the chinese to provide prison
I was on the 18 Bus with my wife and kids when the bus got pelted.The driver called the Police but said no action could be taken as they ran off....CCTV Cameras every where but no one to view them...The kids do these things cos they can ...This was 5 years ago so nothings changes.
sevices on main land China. Con Air
the fu@kers to China and see how many re offend if they live long enough to come back.
Cyber__Fug
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12:02pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Torchie1 wrote:That would mean he would actually have to get off of his arse and do something instead of talk and moan about it !
Here's a task for our man on the spot instead of wasting his time raking over ancient history and making predictions that never come true.
Outside of the Box
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12:04pm Wed 20 Mar 13
A solution was found, PCSO's joined the bus on entering the estate and and alighted when leaving then boarded the next bus, local residents identified offenders, arrests were made, although resources were better then (more police and youth workers) I think it may need the some of the same to sort this out.
Community cooperation is essential, local residents must know who these idiots are, although it is sometimes difficult to come forward to identify these mindless fools, locals need to stand together.
sarfhamton
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12:09pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Home Rule for England
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12:09pm Wed 20 Mar 13
good-gosh
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12:13pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Home Rule for England wrote:South Georgia would be better location
As these yobs seem so fond of stone why not re open Dartmoor prison? A couple of years breaking rocks for eight hours a day might sort them out.
spyware
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12:35pm Wed 20 Mar 13
townieboy wrote:Unfortunately, the police are 'powerless' in situations like this.
Why arnt the police doing more ????? Is it that hard to stop these morons ?
If there are a group of youths, or in this case 'mindless brats', who are just seen loitering, then all the police will do is move them on.
No arrests can be made unless these culprits are actually caught in doing something unlawful.
Call2Arms
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12:44pm Wed 20 Mar 13
These are our communities. Those kids live on the estate, they hang around the parks.
Local people know who they are.
It is the responsibility of the parents to educate and monitor their own kids, it's not everyone else's job to do that for them.
Perhaps when there are no buses the parents will realise this although most simply don't care.
Rockhopper
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12:52pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Let the residents of Millbrook walk if they treat the buses like this.
cowley
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12:57pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Such a lovely area.
sotonbusdriver
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1:03pm Wed 20 Mar 13
But it has been an on going problem with council estates in general. As a driver myself. Millbrook currently is a concern, but attacks in waves have taken place in Weston, Thornhill, Harefield, Shirley Warren, Townhill for over a decade.
There is no real punishment for the youths involved, when caught they often get nothing more than a slapped wrist. Neighbours are to scared of the gangs of youths involved, in case they become victims for reporting them.
Maybe as mentioned by others here, to bring back a punishment that befits the crime and deters them from doing I again. There is good cause to return the BIRCH and CANE to the statute books.
Allow the Police to have proper powers, it seems that the laws really have the POLICE in HANDCUFFS, rather than the little brats that caused the damage.
Inform Al
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1:09pm Wed 20 Mar 13
townieboy wrote:What police?
Why arnt the police doing more ?????
Is it that hard to stop these morons ?
Inform Al
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1:11pm Wed 20 Mar 13
good-gosh wrote:What you got against penguins?
Home Rule for England wrote:South Georgia would be better location
As these yobs seem so fond of stone why not re open Dartmoor prison? A couple of years breaking rocks for eight hours a day might sort them out.
southy
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1:19pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Cyber__Fug wrote:Maybe you should look at the policys and political partys your support.
Torchie1 wrote:That would mean he would actually have to get off of his arse and do something instead of talk and moan about it !
Here's a task for our man on the spot instead of wasting his time raking over ancient history and making predictions that never come true.
Lets step back in time 30 years ago, we had police officers living on the Millbrook hous est, at lest 4 to my knowledge, but because of the Thatcher policy of cut backs to public service, meant these police homes that came with the job was sold under there feet to private landlords, which in turn no more police living on the estates, the big disaventage to this was that local officers knew the parents and kids on the streets this was gone no longer there, also the closing down where young people use to go in the evenings, and now we got more cuts and even more no jobs for people and you expect things to be different I don't and I said 30 years ago this would happen and be on the increase.
Let you 2 be known I have done more than you 2 would on the streets and I do talk to people on the streets, I done more on the streets to help people than any Tory councillor as done in this ward and you can add to that a number of Labour councillors also
southy
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1:29pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Call2Arms wrote:Problem here is that the Torys broke up the local communitys, it was part of there divied and conquer tactic
Why should it be down to the police?
These are our communities. Those kids live on the estate, they hang around the parks.
Local people know who they are.
It is the responsibility of the parents to educate and monitor their own kids, it's not everyone else's job to do that for them.
Perhaps when there are no buses the parents will realise this although most simply don't care.
kiddynamite
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1:46pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Torchie1
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2:29pm Wed 20 Mar 13
southy wrote:All the usual guff then?
Cyber__Fug wrote:Maybe you should look at the policys and political partys your support.
Torchie1 wrote:That would mean he would actually have to get off of his arse and do something instead of talk and moan about it !
Here's a task for our man on the spot instead of wasting his time raking over ancient history and making predictions that never come true.
Lets step back in time 30 years ago, we had police officers living on the Millbrook hous est, at lest 4 to my knowledge, but because of the Thatcher policy of cut backs to public service, meant these police homes that came with the job was sold under there feet to private landlords, which in turn no more police living on the estates, the big disaventage to this was that local officers knew the parents and kids on the streets this was gone no longer there, also the closing down where young people use to go in the evenings, and now we got more cuts and even more no jobs for people and you expect things to be different I don't and I said 30 years ago this would happen and be on the increase.
Let you 2 be known I have done more than you 2 would on the streets and I do talk to people on the streets, I done more on the streets to help people than any Tory councillor as done in this ward and you can add to that a number of Labour councillors also
Subject48
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2:42pm Wed 20 Mar 13
The past is done, for better or worse.
The world seriously needs many many many more forward thinking people in power...
OSPREYSAINT
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2:50pm Wed 20 Mar 13
SaintM
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3:09pm Wed 20 Mar 13
southy
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3:10pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Torchie1 wrote:The problem is you don't like people being reminded where our troubles started from and who started it all.
southy wrote:All the usual guff then?
Cyber__Fug wrote:Maybe you should look at the policys and political partys your support.
Torchie1 wrote:That would mean he would actually have to get off of his arse and do something instead of talk and moan about it !
Here's a task for our man on the spot instead of wasting his time raking over ancient history and making predictions that never come true.
Lets step back in time 30 years ago, we had police officers living on the Millbrook hous est, at lest 4 to my knowledge, but because of the Thatcher policy of cut backs to public service, meant these police homes that came with the job was sold under there feet to private landlords, which in turn no more police living on the estates, the big disaventage to this was that local officers knew the parents and kids on the streets this was gone no longer there, also the closing down where young people use to go in the evenings, and now we got more cuts and even more no jobs for people and you expect things to be different I don't and I said 30 years ago this would happen and be on the increase.
Let you 2 be known I have done more than you 2 would on the streets and I do talk to people on the streets, I done more on the streets to help people than any Tory councillor as done in this ward and you can add to that a number of Labour councillors also
southy
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3:15pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Subject48 wrote:Its the grass roots to our problems of today, and you need to look at the pass to learn from it, failer to do so will mean your keep repeating the same errors over and over again, problems that was started back then need to be address and corrected, your not going to cure any thing thing till you change the conditions that started it all failer to do so will mean thing will just get worse over time, it will not matter weather its 30 years or 1000's of years the problem is all ways going to be there, it will not change till the condition change that cause it all.
Once again another post starting with "lets go back 30 years" so perdictable...
The past is done, for better or worse.
The world seriously needs many many many more forward thinking people in power...
southy
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3:17pm Wed 20 Mar 13
SaintM wrote:The real loser is you failing to take notice and looking at the problem and when it all first started, and this fall fair and square on the Torys laps.
I see Southy blames the Tories ONCE AGAIN, give it a rest you sad loser
MegGriffin
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3:17pm Wed 20 Mar 13
southy wrote:Or we could just clout the little tw4t that's doing it.
Subject48 wrote:Its the grass roots to our problems of today, and you need to look at the pass to learn from it, failer to do so will mean your keep repeating the same errors over and over again, problems that was started back then need to be address and corrected, your not going to cure any thing thing till you change the conditions that started it all failer to do so will mean thing will just get worse over time, it will not matter weather its 30 years or 1000's of years the problem is all ways going to be there, it will not change till the condition change that cause it all.
Once again another post starting with "lets go back 30 years" so perdictable...
The past is done, for better or worse.
The world seriously needs many many many more forward thinking people in power...
MegGriffin
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3:19pm Wed 20 Mar 13
kiddynamite wrote:What a good job we scumbags have good, upstanding pillars of the community such as your good self to look up to and learn from.
Millbrook what a drain on our society! Duck Season should be declared on these putrid scumbags! I would say have a word with the parents, but have you met one from Milbrook? Jeez talk about Rodents! Problem is most of the parents are only 13 years old, How can you expect a child to raise a child espeacially when the father is probably the father of mother and child! A big bomb dropped from a great height would solve this problem. Millbrook is actually twinned with Helmand. Make the scumbags walk, The bus company should **** Milbrook off!
Linesman
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3:28pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Good Idea!
If anyone sees it happen there and then, BLOODY GRAB ONE OF THE MONSTERS AND PUT THEM UNDER CITIZENS ARREST!!! That way they get caught and scared into not doing it again. But I also agree bluestar did the right thing.
Suggest you show a lead. Ride the bus, and YOU get out and grab one, just to show us how it is done.
We will watch from the bus.
If this Tory-led government had not cut back on police funding, then maybe, just maybe, there would be a few police available to do the job for you.
rich the stitch
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3:41pm Wed 20 Mar 13
southy wrote:"and you need to look at the pass to learn from it, failer to do so will mean your keep repeating the same errors over and over again"
Subject48 wrote: Once again another post starting with "lets go back 30 years" so perdictable... The past is done, for better or worse. The world seriously needs many many many more forward thinking people in power...Its the grass roots to our problems of today, and you need to look at the pass to learn from it, failer to do so will mean your keep repeating the same errors over and over again, problems that was started back then need to be address and corrected, your not going to cure any thing thing till you change the conditions that started it all failer to do so will mean thing will just get worse over time, it will not matter weather its 30 years or 1000's of years the problem is all ways going to be there, it will not change till the condition change that cause it all.
Like your spelling and grammar?
commonsence
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3:44pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Millbrook is not a drain on society.
There happens to be many decent perants living in Millbrook so dont tar everyone with your distasteful comments.
How do you know that the culprits of the attacks actually live in Millbrook.?
aldermoorboy
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5:05pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Lots of decent people live in Millbrook, only a few cause problems.
The Mad Dog
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5:24pm Wed 20 Mar 13
rich the stitch wrote:FOR SOUTHY:
southy wrote:"and you need to look at the pass to learn from it, failer to do so will mean your keep repeating the same errors over and over again"
Subject48 wrote: Once again another post starting with "lets go back 30 years" so perdictable... The past is done, for better or worse. The world seriously needs many many many more forward thinking people in power...Its the grass roots to our problems of today, and you need to look at the pass to learn from it, failer to do so will mean your keep repeating the same errors over and over again, problems that was started back then need to be address and corrected, your not going to cure any thing thing till you change the conditions that started it all failer to do so will mean thing will just get worse over time, it will not matter weather its 30 years or 1000's of years the problem is all ways going to be there, it will not change till the condition change that cause it all.
Like your spelling and grammar?
For goodness sake please make an effort to communicate on a level the rest of us can easily understand.
May I recommend you follow this link and get some help?
http://www.southampt
on-city.ac.uk/Adult/
course_view.asp?id=6
7
(if you are not sure how too, ask a grown up)
Torchie1
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5:36pm Wed 20 Mar 13
southy wrote:I'll file this little gem along with all of your failed predictions.
Torchie1 wrote:The problem is you don't like people being reminded where our troubles started from and who started it all.
southy wrote:All the usual guff then?
Cyber__Fug wrote:Maybe you should look at the policys and political partys your support.
Torchie1 wrote:That would mean he would actually have to get off of his arse and do something instead of talk and moan about it !
Here's a task for our man on the spot instead of wasting his time raking over ancient history and making predictions that never come true.
Lets step back in time 30 years ago, we had police officers living on the Millbrook hous est, at lest 4 to my knowledge, but because of the Thatcher policy of cut backs to public service, meant these police homes that came with the job was sold under there feet to private landlords, which in turn no more police living on the estates, the big disaventage to this was that local officers knew the parents and kids on the streets this was gone no longer there, also the closing down where young people use to go in the evenings, and now we got more cuts and even more no jobs for people and you expect things to be different I don't and I said 30 years ago this would happen and be on the increase.
Let you 2 be known I have done more than you 2 would on the streets and I do talk to people on the streets, I done more on the streets to help people than any Tory councillor as done in this ward and you can add to that a number of Labour councillors also
Linesman
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6:44pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Torchie1 wrote:A lot of truth in what he says.
southy wrote:I'll file this little gem along with all of your failed predictions.
Torchie1 wrote:The problem is you don't like people being reminded where our troubles started from and who started it all.
southy wrote:All the usual guff then?
Cyber__Fug wrote:Maybe you should look at the policys and political partys your support.
Torchie1 wrote:That would mean he would actually have to get off of his arse and do something instead of talk and moan about it !
Here's a task for our man on the spot instead of wasting his time raking over ancient history and making predictions that never come true.
Lets step back in time 30 years ago, we had police officers living on the Millbrook hous est, at lest 4 to my knowledge, but because of the Thatcher policy of cut backs to public service, meant these police homes that came with the job was sold under there feet to private landlords, which in turn no more police living on the estates, the big disaventage to this was that local officers knew the parents and kids on the streets this was gone no longer there, also the closing down where young people use to go in the evenings, and now we got more cuts and even more no jobs for people and you expect things to be different I don't and I said 30 years ago this would happen and be on the increase.
Let you 2 be known I have done more than you 2 would on the streets and I do talk to people on the streets, I done more on the streets to help people than any Tory councillor as done in this ward and you can add to that a number of Labour councillors also
It is rare for police to live in the area where they work.
Bring police houses.
Georgem
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7:03pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Yes I'm sure they'll be petrified by some have-a-go Joe Public "arresting" them. After all, people generally stop committing crimes the first time they're arrested.
If anyone sees it happen there and then, BLOODY GRAB ONE OF THE MONSTERS AND PUT THEM UNDER CITIZENS ARREST!!! That way they get caught and scared into not doing it again. But I also agree bluestar did the right thing.
I'm not saying don't intervene, but don't for one second expect
a) them to comply with the arrest
b) them to be scared
c) them to stop doing it
msteverm
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7:25pm Wed 20 Mar 13
flatoutchilled
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8:43pm Wed 20 Mar 13
loosehead
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9:26pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Millbrook estate has at least two community officers walking the beat.
the Fire Station which isn't far from this will be the new Police Station but will it make a difference?
There have been changes to the 17 bus why?
In Coxford they blocked of an area & pelted buses .
East side of the city they were opening up the back of the bus & switching them off?
All sports fields have been wrecked by arseholes on motorbikes or scooters ripping up the pitches ask a copper to arrest them & they say they can't chase them why not?
It's a society that rewards law breakers & shirkers that's to blame not the Tories
Donald2000
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9:40pm Wed 20 Mar 13
loosehead wrote:I am afraid using language like shirkers is to speak like The Tories; have you assimilated their propaganda without much thought? No-one is rewarding law breakers, etc. All people have to do if they want this to stop is to find the people that are doing it, or give their names to the police, so that the police can deal with it. This is not rocket science, nor is it political points scoring time; all that is needed is to find the culprits and hand them in.
Southy in Weston a house was occupied by Police officers the yobs attacked the house & the police officers they moved.
Millbrook estate has at least two community officers walking the beat.
the Fire Station which isn't far from this will be the new Police Station but will it make a difference?
There have been changes to the 17 bus why?
In Coxford they blocked of an area & pelted buses .
East side of the city they were opening up the back of the bus & switching them off?
All sports fields have been wrecked by arseholes on motorbikes or scooters ripping up the pitches ask a copper to arrest them & they say they can't chase them why not?
It's a society that rewards law breakers & shirkers that's to blame not the Tories
Rocket 1
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9:56pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Georgem wrote:Yea you grab one of the little CU*TS then his mate sticks you with a knife, dirty Effing Scums of the Earth.
Ginger_cyclist wrote:Yes I'm sure they'll be petrified by some have-a-go Joe Public "arresting" them. After all, people generally stop committing crimes the first time they're arrested.
If anyone sees it happen there and then, BLOODY GRAB ONE OF THE MONSTERS AND PUT THEM UNDER CITIZENS ARREST!!! That way they get caught and scared into not doing it again. But I also agree bluestar did the right thing.
I'm not saying don't intervene, but don't for one second expect
a) them to comply with the arrest
b) them to be scared
c) them to stop doing it
watchdog
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10:01pm Wed 20 Mar 13
St.Winch70
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10:20pm Wed 20 Mar 13
The Mad Dog wrote:Suggest you take your own advice. Whilst there, learn when to use to, too and maybe even two! Moron.
rich the stitch wrote:FOR SOUTHY:
southy wrote:"and you need to look at the pass to learn from it, failer to do so will mean your keep repeating the same errors over and over again"
Subject48 wrote: Once again another post starting with "lets go back 30 years" so perdictable... The past is done, for better or worse. The world seriously needs many many many more forward thinking people in power...Its the grass roots to our problems of today, and you need to look at the pass to learn from it, failer to do so will mean your keep repeating the same errors over and over again, problems that was started back then need to be address and corrected, your not going to cure any thing thing till you change the conditions that started it all failer to do so will mean thing will just get worse over time, it will not matter weather its 30 years or 1000's of years the problem is all ways going to be there, it will not change till the condition change that cause it all.
Like your spelling and grammar?
For goodness sake please make an effort to communicate on a level the rest of us can easily understand.
May I recommend you follow this link and get some help?
http://www.southampt
on-city.ac.uk/Adult/
course_view.asp?id=6
7
(if you are not sure how too, ask a grown up)
Donald2000
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10:29pm Wed 20 Mar 13
The choice between not fingering them and letting the police know who they are is no bus service. It's Millbrook's choice.
Shoong
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10:45pm Wed 20 Mar 13
southy wrote:Pretty pathetic, even by your standards Peter.
SaintM wrote:The real loser is you failing to take notice and looking at the problem and when it all first started, and this fall fair and square on the Torys laps.
I see Southy blames the Tories ONCE AGAIN, give it a rest you sad loser
Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
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10:50pm Wed 20 Mar 13
so'tongirl wrote:It is really good when the kids are in school as the teachers can manage them but once outside of school their parents, the police and the general public haven't a clue how to cope with them. It makes you realise just how useless teachers are.
Just wait til summer holidays when the brats are really bored!
I've had a window put through on my bus, the brick narrowly missing a pregnant woman.
Rocket 1
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11:07pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Hercules Grytpype-Thynne wrote:Why wait till summer holidays, the thick little CUN&T's dont go to school anyway
so'tongirl wrote:It is really good when the kids are in school as the teachers can manage them but once outside of school their parents, the police and the general public haven't a clue how to cope with them. It makes you realise just how useless teachers are.
Just wait til summer holidays when the brats are really bored!
I've had a window put through on my bus, the brick narrowly missing a pregnant woman.
chunky_lover
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12:29am Thu 21 Mar 13
townieboy
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6:22am Thu 21 Mar 13
southy
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12:45pm Thu 21 Mar 13
Shoong wrote:No I just like putting the blame on where it all started from. and that was the Thatcher government of the 80's
southy wrote:Pretty pathetic, even by your standards Peter.
SaintM wrote:The real loser is you failing to take notice and looking at the problem and when it all first started, and this fall fair and square on the Torys laps.
I see Southy blames the Tories ONCE AGAIN, give it a rest you sad loser
southy
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12:48pm Thu 21 Mar 13
St.Winch70 wrote:Nice pick up St.Winch70
The Mad Dog wrote:Suggest you take your own advice. Whilst there, learn when to use to, too and maybe even two! Moron.
rich the stitch wrote:FOR SOUTHY:
southy wrote:"and you need to look at the pass to learn from it, failer to do so will mean your keep repeating the same errors over and over again"
Subject48 wrote: Once again another post starting with "lets go back 30 years" so perdictable... The past is done, for better or worse. The world seriously needs many many many more forward thinking people in power...Its the grass roots to our problems of today, and you need to look at the pass to learn from it, failer to do so will mean your keep repeating the same errors over and over again, problems that was started back then need to be address and corrected, your not going to cure any thing thing till you change the conditions that started it all failer to do so will mean thing will just get worse over time, it will not matter weather its 30 years or 1000's of years the problem is all ways going to be there, it will not change till the condition change that cause it all.
Like your spelling and grammar?
For goodness sake please make an effort to communicate on a level the rest of us can easily understand.
May I recommend you follow this link and get some help?
http://www.southampt
on-city.ac.uk/Adult/
course_view.asp?id=6
7
(if you are not sure how too, ask a grown up)
loosehead
says...
3:49pm Thu 21 Mar 13
southy wrote:So your saying skinheads,mods & rockers were all Maggie's fault?
Shoong wrote:No I just like putting the blame on where it all started from. and that was the Thatcher government of the 80's
southy wrote:Pretty pathetic, even by your standards Peter.
SaintM wrote:The real loser is you failing to take notice and looking at the problem and when it all first started, and this fall fair and square on the Torys laps.
I see Southy blames the Tories ONCE AGAIN, give it a rest you sad loser
Krays weren't around nor were the great train robbers when Maggie was in power were they?
The problem is the wishy washy Labour/Liberal rules bought in.
Get parents & the unemployed to do the jobs are Eastern Europeans seem to find quite easily,stop dole for teenagers maybe making them do the German solution & be conscripted in a junior Army might be the way?
But most of all start making it that for every action there's a reaction/punishment that will deter these idiots
-stiv- says...
10:46am Wed 20 Mar 13
Still, hopefully it can serve to highlight the serious problems in areas of our community that are just round the corner. We've ghettoised and ignored areas of our town and hoped it'll all just go away. It won't. Until real money and real effort is expended.