11-year-old boy arrested after bus windscreen smashed (From Daily Echo)

tootle wrote:
Ah well. Be nice if one ever saw a policeman walking around. Apart from accidents in the last month i have seen one traffic camera cop and one motorbike cop checking tax discs. Maybe a police presence to deter, redirect the youngsters from vandalism might be of more use to society.. Latest thing round our way is upending wheelies across the pavement. Saw a bunch do it last night, tackled them and they ran, all except one little yobbo who reckoned he was going to brick the windows in 'cos we can't touch him. Problem is he's right - they can do what they like and nowt happens to them until they are adult and it is all too late. If all the buses were withdrawn there would surely be enough pressure put on police from residents that something pro-active might be done.

biggsp wrote:
what really annoys me about these stories is that people seem 'scared' of kids these days!!!!!
I understand 'childline' for abuse etc but kids know they cant be touched these days!! When I was a kid, a clip round the ear did enough to make me realise I had done wrong. These days, kids know that NO ONE can do anything. They laugh in the face of authority. What the hell are we teaching kids of today???

I agree, kids should NOT be allowed be allowed to get away with this sort of thing. Bring back the 'old' ways!!!!!

Is it too late? I hope not but it doesn't look good!!

I live in Switzerland now and it amazes me the difference in the youth over here. They speak and are totally pleasant... ... why is it so different than in the UK???? The answer... ... the parents take time for their kids. Perhaps that is the way forward... or back????

pompeythesinkingship wrote:
Fine the parents and take away his pocket money until its paid for damages ..be awake up call for both concerned ...but you all can write and criticise I bet you all done something wrong in the past . No I am not defending the young lad but some things are under lying ie behaviour problems or he may of just been egged on by older peers that's life it happens or he could be on his own doing it and for that there is no excuses but to criticise is unfair until more has been said ..maybe it's time to take back the streets from these kids and stop them from doing mindless acts ..you see something then do something about it if the police aint bothered call the social services its the only way if us older people deter these sort of people there think twice if they haven't got mummy n daddy wiping there backsides

IronLady2010 wrote:
Should an 11 year old be out after dark? Seriously, what on earth goes through some parents heads?

biggsp wrote:
what really annoys me about these stories is that people seem 'scared' of kids these days!!!!!
I understand 'childline' for abuse etc but kids know they cant be touched these days!! When I was a kid, a clip round the ear did enough to make me realise I had done wrong. These days, kids know that NO ONE can do anything. They laugh in the face of authority. What the hell are we teaching kids of today???

I agree, kids should NOT be allowed be allowed to get away with this sort of thing. Bring back the 'old' ways!!!!!


Is it too late? I hope not but it doesn't look good!!

I live in Switzerland now and it amazes me the difference in the youth over here. They speak and are totally pleasant... ... why is it so different than in the UK???? The answer... ... the parents take time for their kids. Perhaps that is the way forward... or back????

solomum wrote:

biggsp wrote:
what really annoys me about these stories is that people seem 'scared' of kids these days!!!!!
I understand 'childline' for abuse etc but kids know they cant be touched these days!! When I was a kid, a clip round the ear did enough to make me realise I had done wrong. These days, kids know that NO ONE can do anything. They laugh in the face of authority. What the hell are we teaching kids of today???

I agree, kids should NOT be allowed be allowed to get away with this sort of thing. Bring back the 'old' ways!!!!!

Is it too late? I hope not but it doesn't look good!!

I live in Switzerland now and it amazes me the difference in the youth over here. They speak and are totally pleasant... ... why is it so different than in the UK???? The answer... ... the parents take time for their kids. Perhaps that is the way forward... or back????

I totally agree with you. There is no consequences for todays youth. I grew up with a healthy fear of my mum as I knew a smack from her would flippin well hurt. When she said I would not sit down for a week after a smack, I knew she was not far from the truth. No, she was not a child beater, just a mum who excercised her authority, and it worked. If parents so much as lift a hand to a child now, expect a visit from social services.

Donald2000 wrote:

pompeythesinkingship wrote:
Fine the parents and take away his pocket money until its paid for damages ..be awake up call for both concerned ...but you all can write and criticise I bet you all done something wrong in the past . No I am not defending the young lad but some things are under lying ie behaviour problems or he may of just been egged on by older peers that's life it happens or he could be on his own doing it and for that there is no excuses but to criticise is unfair until more has been said ..maybe it's time to take back the streets from these kids and stop them from doing mindless acts ..you see something then do something about it if the police aint bothered call the social services its the only way if us older people deter these sort of people there think twice if they haven't got mummy n daddy wiping there backsides

I bet you all done something wrong in the past.....sorry but my CRB check indicates precisely the opposite to what you have said. In my professional life I have worked with adults in a detention situation and would agree with you that an earlier intervention when they have just started offending is the best methodoogy. Nonetheless that means that adults have got to stop sitting on their backsides and actually get a grip of minding their own kids and stop leaving it to the State and the rest of us to pick up the tab for their laziness.

pompeythesinkingship wrote:

Donald2000 wrote:

pompeythesinkingship wrote:
Fine the parents and take away his pocket money until its paid for damages ..be awake up call for both concerned ...but you all can write and criticise I bet you all done something wrong in the past . No I am not defending the young lad but some things are under lying ie behaviour problems or he may of just been egged on by older peers that's life it happens or he could be on his own doing it and for that there is no excuses but to criticise is unfair until more has been said ..maybe it's time to take back the streets from these kids and stop them from doing mindless acts ..you see something then do something about it if the police aint bothered call the social services its the only way if us older people deter these sort of people there think twice if they haven't got mummy n daddy wiping there backsides

I bet you all done something wrong in the past.....sorry but my CRB check indicates precisely the opposite to what you have said. In my professional life I have worked with adults in a detention situation and would agree with you that an earlier intervention when they have just started offending is the best methodoogy. Nonetheless that means that adults have got to stop sitting on their backsides and actually get a grip of minding their own kids and stop leaving it to the State and the rest of us to pick up the tab for their laziness.

Whats crb checks has to do with it instead of looking out of the window watching these kids smash the area up and the police have not done nothing after your call then ring the social services up and confront them I would ..and yes I done wrong in the past my dad gave me the biggest slap u could ask for ..and he and my uncle work on the buses I so do fear for them so I do know

IronLady2010 wrote:
Should an 11 year old be out after dark? Seriously, what on earth goes through some parents heads?

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Should an 11 year old be out after dark? Seriously, what on earth goes through some parents heads?

As it gets dark just before 7pm at this time of the year, do you know what time the police pick up this young lad.

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Should an 11 year old be out after dark? Seriously, what on earth goes through some parents heads?

As it gets dark just before 7pm at this time of the year, do you know what time the police pick up this young lad.

The previous report suggested the buses were cancelled at 9PM so am guessing the original offence took place around this time.

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Should an 11 year old be out after dark? Seriously, what on earth goes through some parents heads?

As it gets dark just before 7pm at this time of the year, do you know what time the police pick up this young lad.

The previous report suggested the buses were cancelled at 9PM so am guessing the original offence took place around this time.

So your talking before 9pm, is it that late for a 11 year old, i thinking back to when I was 11, was at senior school and the youth clubs did not close till about that time well 8-30pm but by the time the last one went out it was close to 9-00pm

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Should an 11 year old be out after dark? Seriously, what on earth goes through some parents heads?

As it gets dark just before 7pm at this time of the year, do you know what time the police pick up this young lad.

The previous report suggested the buses were cancelled at 9PM so am guessing the original offence took place around this time.

So your talking before 9pm, is it that late for a 11 year old, i thinking back to when I was 11, was at senior school and the youth clubs did not close till about that time well 8-30pm but by the time the last one went out it was close to 9-00pm

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Should an 11 year old be out after dark? Seriously, what on earth goes through some parents heads?

As it gets dark just before 7pm at this time of the year, do you know what time the police pick up this young lad.

The previous report suggested the buses were cancelled at 9PM so am guessing the original offence took place around this time.

So your talking before 9pm, is it that late for a 11 year old, i thinking back to when I was 11, was at senior school and the youth clubs did not close till about that time well 8-30pm but by the time the last one went out it was close to 9-00pm

Southy when me and you were younger, our parents could leave doors unlocked. Sadly times have changed!!

I do believe an 11 year should be accompanied by an adult after dark, no matter the time.

SPIKEISLANDTRADER wrote:
If plod and the authority s are powerless to deal with these situations , then WHY dont the residents of Millbrook sort out their own area , they have to live with the hassle , This does work , people power can get action and the nuisance removed . Weston / Harefield have all had similar issues , but residents finally used their own force to clean up the neighborhood . There is always a majority of good to deal with the rotten minority

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Should an 11 year old be out after dark? Seriously, what on earth goes through some parents heads?

As it gets dark just before 7pm at this time of the year, do you know what time the police pick up this young lad.

The previous report suggested the buses were cancelled at 9PM so am guessing the original offence took place around this time.

So your talking before 9pm, is it that late for a 11 year old, i thinking back to when I was 11, was at senior school and the youth clubs did not close till about that time well 8-30pm but by the time the last one went out it was close to 9-00pm

Southy when me and you were younger, our parents could leave doors unlocked. Sadly times have changed!!

I do believe an 11 year should be accompanied by an adult after dark, no matter the time.

lol that is true you could leave the doors unlock, and leave your keys in the car or motor bike if you had one, and if some took it, it was back before the next day fill up with fuel.

loosehead wrote:
Southy read the above post & realise the way we copied California & started punishing parents for chastising & punishing their children when they've done wrong was wrong.
California has now scrapped that law as they had real trouble with parents handing in children to social services as they could no longer handle them.
Children divorcing parents as they couldn't get £500 trainers.
It's about time we realised we are mammals & all mammals chastise their young to teach them.

cantthinkofone wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Should an 11 year old be out after dark? Seriously, what on earth goes through some parents heads?

As it gets dark just before 7pm at this time of the year, do you know what time the police pick up this young lad.

The previous report suggested the buses were cancelled at 9PM so am guessing the original offence took place around this time.

So your talking before 9pm, is it that late for a 11 year old, i thinking back to when I was 11, was at senior school and the youth clubs did not close till about that time well 8-30pm but by the time the last one went out it was close to 9-00pm

Southy when me and you were younger, our parents could leave doors unlocked. Sadly times have changed!!

I do believe an 11 year should be accompanied by an adult after dark, no matter the time.

lol that is true you could leave the doors unlock, and leave your keys in the car or motor bike if you had one, and if some took it, it was back before the next day fill up with fuel.

This kind of rose-tinted nonsense, and the "we used to respect our elders" stuff, really gets on my wick.
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Back in 'the good old days' it was considered acceptable for men to beat their wives, and sexually abused children were branded as liars. This tendency for some to see the past with such selective memories creates a dangerous and unhealthy mythical history.

southy wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Should an 11 year old be out after dark? Seriously, what on earth goes through some parents heads?

As it gets dark just before 7pm at this time of the year, do you know what time the police pick up this young lad.

The previous report suggested the buses were cancelled at 9PM so am guessing the original offence took place around this time.

So your talking before 9pm, is it that late for a 11 year old, i thinking back to when I was 11, was at senior school and the youth clubs did not close till about that time well 8-30pm but by the time the last one went out it was close to 9-00pm

Southy when me and you were younger, our parents could leave doors unlocked. Sadly times have changed!!

I do believe an 11 year should be accompanied by an adult after dark, no matter the time.

lol that is true you could leave the doors unlock, and leave your keys in the car or motor bike if you had one, and if some took it, it was back before the next day fill up with fuel.

This kind of rose-tinted nonsense, and the "we used to respect our elders" stuff, really gets on my wick.
.
Back in 'the good old days' it was considered acceptable for men to beat their wives, and sexually abused children were branded as liars. This tendency for some to see the past with such selective memories creates a dangerous and unhealthy mythical history.

You need to relook at the pass, wife beating was not acceptable back then as it is not today, and that what you say about child abuse the same happens now as it did back then, the only real diffence is that family, friends and neighbours would intervene back then, they will not now days.

cantthinkofone wrote:

southy wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Should an 11 year old be out after dark? Seriously, what on earth goes through some parents heads?

As it gets dark just before 7pm at this time of the year, do you know what time the police pick up this young lad.

The previous report suggested the buses were cancelled at 9PM so am guessing the original offence took place around this time.

So your talking before 9pm, is it that late for a 11 year old, i thinking back to when I was 11, was at senior school and the youth clubs did not close till about that time well 8-30pm but by the time the last one went out it was close to 9-00pm

Southy when me and you were younger, our parents could leave doors unlocked. Sadly times have changed!!

I do believe an 11 year should be accompanied by an adult after dark, no matter the time.

lol that is true you could leave the doors unlock, and leave your keys in the car or motor bike if you had one, and if some took it, it was back before the next day fill up with fuel.

This kind of rose-tinted nonsense, and the "we used to respect our elders" stuff, really gets on my wick.
.
Back in 'the good old days' it was considered acceptable for men to beat their wives, and sexually abused children were branded as liars. This tendency for some to see the past with such selective memories creates a dangerous and unhealthy mythical history.

You need to relook at the pass, wife beating was not acceptable back then as it is not today, and that what you say about child abuse the same happens now as it did back then, the only real diffence is that family, friends and neighbours would intervene back then, they will not now days.

Cobblers. Marital rape was legal until 1991. Domestic violence was considered an acceptable way to 'chastise' a wife as long as it didn't go 'too far'. Your version of history is as detached from reality on this as it is on most things.

pompeythesinkingship wrote:

Donald2000 wrote:

pompeythesinkingship wrote:
Fine the parents and take away his pocket money until its paid for damages ..be awake up call for both concerned ...but you all can write and criticise I bet you all done something wrong in the past . No I am not defending the young lad but some things are under lying ie behaviour problems or he may of just been egged on by older peers that's life it happens or he could be on his own doing it and for that there is no excuses but to criticise is unfair until more has been said ..maybe it's time to take back the streets from these kids and stop them from doing mindless acts ..you see something then do something about it if the police aint bothered call the social services its the only way if us older people deter these sort of people there think twice if they haven't got mummy n daddy wiping there backsides

I bet you all done something wrong in the past.....sorry but my CRB check indicates precisely the opposite to what you have said. In my professional life I have worked with adults in a detention situation and would agree with you that an earlier intervention when they have just started offending is the best methodoogy. Nonetheless that means that adults have got to stop sitting on their backsides and actually get a grip of minding their own kids and stop leaving it to the State and the rest of us to pick up the tab for their laziness.

Whats crb checks has to do with it instead of looking out of the window watching these kids smash the area up and the police have not done nothing after your call then ring the social services up and confront them I would ..and yes I done wrong in the past my dad gave me the biggest slap u could ask for ..and he and my uncle work on the buses I so do fear for them so I do know

southy wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

southy wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Should an 11 year old be out after dark? Seriously, what on earth goes through some parents heads?

As it gets dark just before 7pm at this time of the year, do you know what time the police pick up this young lad.

The previous report suggested the buses were cancelled at 9PM so am guessing the original offence took place around this time.

So your talking before 9pm, is it that late for a 11 year old, i thinking back to when I was 11, was at senior school and the youth clubs did not close till about that time well 8-30pm but by the time the last one went out it was close to 9-00pm

Southy when me and you were younger, our parents could leave doors unlocked. Sadly times have changed!!

I do believe an 11 year should be accompanied by an adult after dark, no matter the time.

lol that is true you could leave the doors unlock, and leave your keys in the car or motor bike if you had one, and if some took it, it was back before the next day fill up with fuel.

This kind of rose-tinted nonsense, and the "we used to respect our elders" stuff, really gets on my wick.
.
Back in 'the good old days' it was considered acceptable for men to beat their wives, and sexually abused children were branded as liars. This tendency for some to see the past with such selective memories creates a dangerous and unhealthy mythical history.

You need to relook at the pass, wife beating was not acceptable back then as it is not today, and that what you say about child abuse the same happens now as it did back then, the only real diffence is that family, friends and neighbours would intervene back then, they will not now days.

Cobblers. Marital rape was legal until 1991. Domestic violence was considered an acceptable way to 'chastise' a wife as long as it didn't go 'too far'. Your version of history is as detached from reality on this as it is on most things.

What the law was and what was accepted by the people are different thats why the law in 1991 came into being.
Often we had part of a family staying at our place when i was a kid because such things that you have mention, they stayed till some thing was sorted out one way or another

cantthinkofone wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Should an 11 year old be out after dark? Seriously, what on earth goes through some parents heads?

As it gets dark just before 7pm at this time of the year, do you know what time the police pick up this young lad.

The previous report suggested the buses were cancelled at 9PM so am guessing the original offence took place around this time.

So your talking before 9pm, is it that late for a 11 year old, i thinking back to when I was 11, was at senior school and the youth clubs did not close till about that time well 8-30pm but by the time the last one went out it was close to 9-00pm

Southy when me and you were younger, our parents could leave doors unlocked. Sadly times have changed!!

I do believe an 11 year should be accompanied by an adult after dark, no matter the time.

lol that is true you could leave the doors unlock, and leave your keys in the car or motor bike if you had one, and if some took it, it was back before the next day fill up with fuel.

This kind of rose-tinted nonsense, and the "we used to respect our elders" stuff, really gets on my wick.
.
Back in 'the good old days' it was considered acceptable for men to beat their wives, and sexually abused children were branded as liars. This tendency for some to see the past with such selective memories creates a dangerous and unhealthy mythical history.

cantthinkofone wrote:
Marital rape, The Krays & The Richardsons nailing people's feet to the floor (but they loved their mum eh), young pakistani lads getting kicked to death on the street by the NF, uncontrolled police brutality, the list goes on, and on, and on.
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Unless you choose to just remember the good bits of course. In scientific terms it's known as 'confirmation bias'.
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The 'Good Old Days?' - yeah, I suppose so. As long as you were a middle-class heterosexual white male.

localnews wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Should an 11 year old be out after dark? Seriously, what on earth goes through some parents heads?

As it gets dark just before 7pm at this time of the year, do you know what time the police pick up this young lad.

The previous report suggested the buses were cancelled at 9PM so am guessing the original offence took place around this time.

So your talking before 9pm, is it that late for a 11 year old, i thinking back to when I was 11, was at senior school and the youth clubs did not close till about that time well 8-30pm but by the time the last one went out it was close to 9-00pm

Yeah and look how you turned out

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

localnews wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Should an 11 year old be out after dark? Seriously, what on earth goes through some parents heads?

As it gets dark just before 7pm at this time of the year, do you know what time the police pick up this young lad.

The previous report suggested the buses were cancelled at 9PM so am guessing the original offence took place around this time.

So your talking before 9pm, is it that late for a 11 year old, i thinking back to when I was 11, was at senior school and the youth clubs did not close till about that time well 8-30pm but by the time the last one went out it was close to 9-00pm

Yeah and look how you turned out

Southy turned out to be a decent man who cares for not only his family but also the society he lives in.

Whether others agree with him or disagree, he is never rude to anybody and as far as I am aware he has not physically attacked anybody.

Yes his ability to spell words is even worse than mine, but he has much better values than many others and some of us respect him for that.

southy wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:
Marital rape, The Krays & The Richardsons nailing people's feet to the floor (but they loved their mum eh), young pakistani lads getting kicked to death on the street by the NF, uncontrolled police brutality, the list goes on, and on, and on.
.
Unless you choose to just remember the good bits of course. In scientific terms it's known as 'confirmation bias'.
.
The 'Good Old Days?' - yeah, I suppose so. As long as you were a middle-class heterosexual white male.

And every thing you mention is still the same as not change one bit apart from the Krays and Richardsons have now given way to more voilent gangs and do not care if it go's out side the circle who gets injurded at lest with the Krays and Richardsons they only hurt other crims with in there controlled manor, and its not so much the NF now days but your EDL doing most of your voilence.

cantthinkofone wrote:
Marital rape, The Krays & The Richardsons nailing people's feet to the floor (but they loved their mum eh), young pakistani lads getting kicked to death on the street by the NF, uncontrolled police brutality, the list goes on, and on, and on.
.
Unless you choose to just remember the good bits of course. In scientific terms it's known as 'confirmation bias'.
.
The 'Good Old Days?' - yeah, I suppose so. As long as you were a middle-class heterosexual white male.

cantthinkofone wrote:

southy wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:
Marital rape, The Krays & The Richardsons nailing people's feet to the floor (but they loved their mum eh), young pakistani lads getting kicked to death on the street by the NF, uncontrolled police brutality, the list goes on, and on, and on.
.
Unless you choose to just remember the good bits of course. In scientific terms it's known as 'confirmation bias'.
.
The 'Good Old Days?' - yeah, I suppose so. As long as you were a middle-class heterosexual white male.

And every thing you mention is still the same as not change one bit apart from the Krays and Richardsons have now given way to more voilent gangs and do not care if it go's out side the circle who gets injurded at lest with the Krays and Richardsons they only hurt other crims with in there controlled manor, and its not so much the NF now days but your EDL doing most of your voilence.

The EDL are nowhere near the NF. They may be full of hatred and bile, but thankfully they can't get away with prowling the streets p***-bashing as the NF used to do. Marital rape is now illegal, and the police are slowly, slowly getting found out for their crimes (Hillsborough, Tomlinson, Menezes etc).
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So everything I mention "is still the same" apart from, erm... everything I mentioned.

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Should an 11 year old be out after dark? Seriously, what on earth goes through some parents heads?

As it gets dark just before 7pm at this time of the year, do you know what time the police pick up this young lad.

The previous report suggested the buses were cancelled at 9PM so am guessing the original offence took place around this time.

So your talking before 9pm, is it that late for a 11 year old, i thinking back to when I was 11, was at senior school and the youth clubs did not close till about that time well 8-30pm but by the time the last one went out it was close to 9-00pm

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:
Southy read the above post & realise the way we copied California & started punishing parents for chastising & punishing their children when they've done wrong was wrong.
California has now scrapped that law as they had real trouble with parents handing in children to social services as they could no longer handle them.
Children divorcing parents as they couldn't get £500 trainers.
It's about time we realised we are mammals & all mammals chastise their young to teach them.

Theres a lot of things that California is doing that not happening here, like they up the tax on the rich and big business, they did not leave the state they stayed and paid the higher taxes.

boys1234 wrote:
Force the little darling to go to Fratton Park for a year, wearing his Saints shirt of course.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Easiest thing in the world and most fashionable thing to do these days is to blame parents for everything, especially if they are from working class background like Millbrook, but thanks to culture created by The Sun, Express and Mail etc, talking against the Bullingtdon club brats has become unacceptable

Yes it cannot be denied that parents have very important part to play in developing behaviour of any child’s life, but they are not the only factor.

What about the education system, sporting facilities and youth clubs etc, the influence what they are exposed on the TV etc, the peer pressures and many other things like that?

Perhaps I was never bashed about by my parents, so my views may be coloured, but I believe that those who are beaten up as children tend to believe in beating the hell out of others when they grow up, because they think it to be the right thing to do.

If dog’s pups can be trained to behave without beating, why more intelligent humans need the hell beaten out of them?

What this child is alleged to have done is very wrong; thankfully nobody was hurt because pieces of shattered glass flying around could have caused serious injuries.

Now the police has managed to catch him so hope they will know how to deal with him.

southy wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

southy wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:
Marital rape, The Krays & The Richardsons nailing people's feet to the floor (but they loved their mum eh), young pakistani lads getting kicked to death on the street by the NF, uncontrolled police brutality, the list goes on, and on, and on.
.
Unless you choose to just remember the good bits of course. In scientific terms it's known as 'confirmation bias'.
.
The 'Good Old Days?' - yeah, I suppose so. As long as you were a middle-class heterosexual white male.

And every thing you mention is still the same as not change one bit apart from the Krays and Richardsons have now given way to more voilent gangs and do not care if it go's out side the circle who gets injurded at lest with the Krays and Richardsons they only hurt other crims with in there controlled manor, and its not so much the NF now days but your EDL doing most of your voilence.

The EDL are nowhere near the NF. They may be full of hatred and bile, but thankfully they can't get away with prowling the streets p***-bashing as the NF used to do. Marital rape is now illegal, and the police are slowly, slowly getting found out for their crimes (Hillsborough, Tomlinson, Menezes etc).
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So everything I mention "is still the same" apart from, erm... everything I mentioned.

Oh don't you think the EDL are just as bad, how about in London the bottle and stone throwing the EDL done at the Iranians and Lebion christians, or the gang of EDL beating up a Muslum, or in that town in Wales where 16 EDL members got arrested for starting a fight in a pub with OAPs
Marital rape is only illegal but it as not stop, its still going on, and the crimes that the police commit have not stop its still going on, just that they have not been found out yet apart from a few that are up for corruption.
So yes its still the same maybe just got a bit worse

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Should an 11 year old be out after dark? Seriously, what on earth goes through some parents heads?

As it gets dark just before 7pm at this time of the year, do you know what time the police pick up this young lad.

The previous report suggested the buses were cancelled at 9PM so am guessing the original offence took place around this time.

So your talking before 9pm, is it that late for a 11 year old, i thinking back to when I was 11, was at senior school and the youth clubs did not close till about that time well 8-30pm but by the time the last one went out it was close to 9-00pm

Pete, I am sure you are fully aware when you were young (Oh must be during the time of Queen Victoria!!!) there were more youth clubs and other after school activities than these days. Sadly even those which still exist are facing cuts, not caused by misbehaved children from council estates but by super greedy bankers, most of whom were brought up in much comfortable society; in which children are only the by product of sexual pleasures but looking after them is passed on to nannies and later on to expensive schools.

cantthinkofone wrote:

southy wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

southy wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:
Marital rape, The Krays & The Richardsons nailing people's feet to the floor (but they loved their mum eh), young pakistani lads getting kicked to death on the street by the NF, uncontrolled police brutality, the list goes on, and on, and on.
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Unless you choose to just remember the good bits of course. In scientific terms it's known as 'confirmation bias'.
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The 'Good Old Days?' - yeah, I suppose so. As long as you were a middle-class heterosexual white male.

And every thing you mention is still the same as not change one bit apart from the Krays and Richardsons have now given way to more voilent gangs and do not care if it go's out side the circle who gets injurded at lest with the Krays and Richardsons they only hurt other crims with in there controlled manor, and its not so much the NF now days but your EDL doing most of your voilence.

The EDL are nowhere near the NF. They may be full of hatred and bile, but thankfully they can't get away with prowling the streets p***-bashing as the NF used to do. Marital rape is now illegal, and the police are slowly, slowly getting found out for their crimes (Hillsborough, Tomlinson, Menezes etc).
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So everything I mention "is still the same" apart from, erm... everything I mentioned.

Oh don't you think the EDL are just as bad, how about in London the bottle and stone throwing the EDL done at the Iranians and Lebion christians, or the gang of EDL beating up a Muslum, or in that town in Wales where 16 EDL members got arrested for starting a fight in a pub with OAPs
Marital rape is only illegal but it as not stop, its still going on, and the crimes that the police commit have not stop its still going on, just that they have not been found out yet apart from a few that are up for corruption.
So yes its still the same maybe just got a bit worse

The incidents with the EDL you mention were daily occurrences with the NF southy. They didn't get the media attention the EDL ones do because they weren't unusual enough to be worthy of comment.
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The EDL would LOVE to commit the kind of racist violence that the NF did on a nightly basis. But they can't, because people of all colours no longer turn a blind eye, and people of all colours will step in against them. These days even the police take racial violence seriously, whereas back in the 70s many of them would more likely have joined in.
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Society has moved forward in these respects southy. Nowhere near as much as it should have, but forward nonetheless. Your nostalgia is for a country that never existed, one as based in reality as the Victorian myth, or John Major's fantasy England of endless village greens and cricket.

southy wrote:
I take you was to young or was not born till after, its no myth at all, the NF was getting reported at lest once a week, normally at Football matches and theres where the NF and EDL have another thing in common football, and the NF was not a real problem till very late 70's and early 80's, before them it was the skinheads and before them it was the Mods and Rockers, nothing as change apart its getting worse, we had communitys back then, and it would be the local bobby that lived in the neighbourhood that would inform your parents what you was up to, or it would be a relation or friend that would do.
And like ohec says it was not better nore was it worse back in those days but the respect was there for others.

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:
I take you was to young or was not born till after, its no myth at all, the NF was getting reported at lest once a week, normally at Football matches and theres where the NF and EDL have another thing in common football, and the NF was not a real problem till very late 70's and early 80's, before them it was the skinheads and before them it was the Mods and Rockers, nothing as change apart its getting worse, we had communitys back then, and it would be the local bobby that lived in the neighbourhood that would inform your parents what you was up to, or it would be a relation or friend that would do.
And like ohec says it was not better nore was it worse back in those days but the respect was there for others.

No I remember how the NF forced Labour into second place I also remember the West Indians attacking White youths down at the Royal Pier on Sunday nights so there was violence on both sides but the left have to throw up the racist card when they think they're being threatened by a patriotic party the way you do with UKIP

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

boys1234 wrote:
Force the little darling to go to Fratton Park for a year, wearing his Saints shirt of course.

Great idea. Love your humour

bobbyboy wrote:
Isnt strange how thing's have changed in a very short space of time(45 years) in my early teens i used to stay out and play football even under street light the local Bobby if not busy would go in goal. I made a mistake once playing cricket in the local church carpark all was fine till i hit a six straight over the mission hut and into the church window of course we legged it as i ran i dropped my coat and had to return for it just to be spotted by the rector and as he new me reported me to the police who at the age of 9 arrested me with my mother took me to shirley old police station i got read the riot act clipped round the ear mother had to pay 10/- (50p to most) that was half a weeks wages then i got another clip from her (she knew how to hit as well trust me). So the parents of this lad should also pay the costs and losses to bluestar its no good saying its there fault for him being out when he threw the stone it was a predetermined act by him but his parents are responsible for his act so therefore needs to pay the costs end of. ps they cant clip him around the ear now otherwise they might get arrested as well stupid what the dogooders have achived.

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:
I take you was to young or was not born till after, its no myth at all, the NF was getting reported at lest once a week, normally at Football matches and theres where the NF and EDL have another thing in common football, and the NF was not a real problem till very late 70's and early 80's, before them it was the skinheads and before them it was the Mods and Rockers, nothing as change apart its getting worse, we had communitys back then, and it would be the local bobby that lived in the neighbourhood that would inform your parents what you was up to, or it would be a relation or friend that would do.
And like ohec says it was not better nore was it worse back in those days but the respect was there for others.

No I remember how the NF forced Labour into second place I also remember the West Indians attacking White youths down at the Royal Pier on Sunday nights so there was violence on both sides but the left have to throw up the racist card when they think they're being threatened by a patriotic party the way you do with UKIP

Don't blow that west indian fight up, I was there that night that happened, and it was no case pf west indians beating up a white youths, it was 2 gangs turning up and was refuse entry and yes there was west indians that took part in the fight but there was more white english there and out number the west indians, it was just a plain gang v gang fight.

cantthinkofone wrote:

bobbyboy wrote:
Isnt strange how thing's have changed in a very short space of time(45 years) in my early teens i used to stay out and play football even under street light the local Bobby if not busy would go in goal. I made a mistake once playing cricket in the local church carpark all was fine till i hit a six straight over the mission hut and into the church window of course we legged it as i ran i dropped my coat and had to return for it just to be spotted by the rector and as he new me reported me to the police who at the age of 9 arrested me with my mother took me to shirley old police station i got read the riot act clipped round the ear mother had to pay 10/- (50p to most) that was half a weeks wages then i got another clip from her (she knew how to hit as well trust me). So the parents of this lad should also pay the costs and losses to bluestar its no good saying its there fault for him being out when he threw the stone it was a predetermined act by him but his parents are responsible for his act so therefore needs to pay the costs end of. ps they cant clip him around the ear now otherwise they might get arrested as well stupid what the dogooders have achived.

Parents are still allowed to smack their children.

loosehead wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

bobbyboy wrote:
Isnt strange how thing's have changed in a very short space of time(45 years) in my early teens i used to stay out and play football even under street light the local Bobby if not busy would go in goal. I made a mistake once playing cricket in the local church carpark all was fine till i hit a six straight over the mission hut and into the church window of course we legged it as i ran i dropped my coat and had to return for it just to be spotted by the rector and as he new me reported me to the police who at the age of 9 arrested me with my mother took me to shirley old police station i got read the riot act clipped round the ear mother had to pay 10/- (50p to most) that was half a weeks wages then i got another clip from her (she knew how to hit as well trust me). So the parents of this lad should also pay the costs and losses to bluestar its no good saying its there fault for him being out when he threw the stone it was a predetermined act by him but his parents are responsible for his act so therefore needs to pay the costs end of. ps they cant clip him around the ear now otherwise they might get arrested as well stupid what the dogooders have achived.

Parents are still allowed to smack their children.

Really you really are out of touch aren't you.
Smack a child get seen doing it & see Social Services at your door

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:
I take you was to young or was not born till after, its no myth at all, the NF was getting reported at lest once a week, normally at Football matches and theres where the NF and EDL have another thing in common football, and the NF was not a real problem till very late 70's and early 80's, before them it was the skinheads and before them it was the Mods and Rockers, nothing as change apart its getting worse, we had communitys back then, and it would be the local bobby that lived in the neighbourhood that would inform your parents what you was up to, or it would be a relation or friend that would do.
And like ohec says it was not better nore was it worse back in those days but the respect was there for others.

No I remember how the NF forced Labour into second place I also remember the West Indians attacking White youths down at the Royal Pier on Sunday nights so there was violence on both sides but the left have to throw up the racist card when they think they're being threatened by a patriotic party the way you do with UKIP

Outside of the Box wrote:
Hopefully problem solved and normal bus services will be resumed.

The boy should be made to clean the interior of Bluestar buses every Saturday for a year as a punishment, don't bother the courts with it, retrospective justice would suffice.

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Should an 11 year old be out after dark? Seriously, what on earth goes through some parents heads?

As it gets dark just before 7pm at this time of the year, do you know what time the police pick up this young lad.

The previous report suggested the buses were cancelled at 9PM so am guessing the original offence took place around this time.

So your talking before 9pm, is it that late for a 11 year old, i thinking back to when I was 11, was at senior school and the youth clubs did not close till about that time well 8-30pm but by the time the last one went out it was close to 9-00pm

Southy when me and you were younger, our parents could leave doors unlocked. Sadly times have changed!!

I do believe an 11 year should be accompanied by an adult after dark, no matter the time.

lol that is true you could leave the doors unlock, and leave your keys in the car or motor bike if you had one, and if some took it, it was back before the next day fill up with fuel.

cantthinkofone wrote:

solomum wrote:

biggsp wrote:
what really annoys me about these stories is that people seem 'scared' of kids these days!!!!!
I understand 'childline' for abuse etc but kids know they cant be touched these days!! When I was a kid, a clip round the ear did enough to make me realise I had done wrong. These days, kids know that NO ONE can do anything. They laugh in the face of authority. What the hell are we teaching kids of today???

I agree, kids should NOT be allowed be allowed to get away with this sort of thing. Bring back the 'old' ways!!!!!

Is it too late? I hope not but it doesn't look good!!

I live in Switzerland now and it amazes me the difference in the youth over here. They speak and are totally pleasant... ... why is it so different than in the UK???? The answer... ... the parents take time for their kids. Perhaps that is the way forward... or back????

I totally agree with you. There is no consequences for todays youth. I grew up with a healthy fear of my mum as I knew a smack from her would flippin well hurt. When she said I would not sit down for a week after a smack, I knew she was not far from the truth. No, she was not a child beater, just a mum who excercised her authority, and it worked. If parents so much as lift a hand to a child now, expect a visit from social services.

If you parent your children properly then smacking is completely unnecessary. If you instil respect and discipline in your children from the day they're born, then hitting them is never needed as words have the desired effect. I was never smacked and I've never been in any trouble whatsoever, despite living is some very dodgy environments in my time. I've never needed to smack the nipper, because there's mutual respect in our relationship and all I need to do is change the tone of my voice and he realises he's pushed it as far as he should.
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Many parents seem to let their kids get away with murder at a very young age, and then wonder why they can't control them as they grow up. It needs to be a consistent thing from before they can talk or walk properly.
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The alternative is teaching your children that if all else fails, resorting to violence is fine. That being bigger than someone gives you the right to hurt them. Not a lesson I'm keen on teaching mine.

cantthinkofone wrote:

southy wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Should an 11 year old be out after dark? Seriously, what on earth goes through some parents heads?

As it gets dark just before 7pm at this time of the year, do you know what time the police pick up this young lad.

The previous report suggested the buses were cancelled at 9PM so am guessing the original offence took place around this time.

So your talking before 9pm, is it that late for a 11 year old, i thinking back to when I was 11, was at senior school and the youth clubs did not close till about that time well 8-30pm but by the time the last one went out it was close to 9-00pm

Southy when me and you were younger, our parents could leave doors unlocked. Sadly times have changed!!

I do believe an 11 year should be accompanied by an adult after dark, no matter the time.

lol that is true you could leave the doors unlock, and leave your keys in the car or motor bike if you had one, and if some took it, it was back before the next day fill up with fuel.

This kind of rose-tinted nonsense, and the "we used to respect our elders" stuff, really gets on my wick.
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Back in 'the good old days' it was considered acceptable for men to beat their wives, and sexually abused children were branded as liars. This tendency for some to see the past with such selective memories creates a dangerous and unhealthy mythical history.

You need to relook at the pass, wife beating was not acceptable back then as it is not today, and that what you say about child abuse the same happens now as it did back then, the only real diffence is that family, friends and neighbours would intervene back then, they will not now days.

Cobblers. Marital rape was legal until 1991. Domestic violence was considered an acceptable way to 'chastise' a wife as long as it didn't go 'too far'. Your version of history is as detached from reality on this as it is on most things.

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:
I take you was to young or was not born till after, its no myth at all, the NF was getting reported at lest once a week, normally at Football matches and theres where the NF and EDL have another thing in common football, and the NF was not a real problem till very late 70's and early 80's, before them it was the skinheads and before them it was the Mods and Rockers, nothing as change apart its getting worse, we had communitys back then, and it would be the local bobby that lived in the neighbourhood that would inform your parents what you was up to, or it would be a relation or friend that would do.
And like ohec says it was not better nore was it worse back in those days but the respect was there for others.

No I remember how the NF forced Labour into second place I also remember the West Indians attacking White youths down at the Royal Pier on Sunday nights so there was violence on both sides but the left have to throw up the racist card when they think they're being threatened by a patriotic party the way you do with UKIP

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:
I take you was to young or was not born till after, its no myth at all, the NF was getting reported at lest once a week, normally at Football matches and theres where the NF and EDL have another thing in common football, and the NF was not a real problem till very late 70's and early 80's, before them it was the skinheads and before them it was the Mods and Rockers, nothing as change apart its getting worse, we had communitys back then, and it would be the local bobby that lived in the neighbourhood that would inform your parents what you was up to, or it would be a relation or friend that would do.
And like ohec says it was not better nore was it worse back in those days but the respect was there for others.

No I remember how the NF forced Labour into second place I also remember the West Indians attacking White youths down at the Royal Pier on Sunday nights so there was violence on both sides but the left have to throw up the racist card when they think they're being threatened by a patriotic party the way you do with UKIP

I did wonder why NF and EDL came into this post, but to bring a reputable party such as UKIP into it just beggars belief. This stopry was about a little scroat, parents probably Tory or Labour (nobody's leb dim these days) who chucked a stone at a a bus. Get bl00dy real.

loosehead wrote:
Southy I use to be a very good friend of a guy called Gary Todd & I hanged around with the lads from Portswood & it was two of them that were attacked & if you know as much as you say you do you'll know their names & you'll know the West Indian guy who was in our group of friends so come on say the names?

cantthinkofone wrote:
I give up with your friendly bobby, leave your front door open delusions. In 30 years time your children will be saying the same type of thing about 2013. I dare say you remember your own parents saying the same type of things about their own childhoods.
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I remember back when all this were fields...

Facewagon wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:
I take you was to young or was not born till after, its no myth at all, the NF was getting reported at lest once a week, normally at Football matches and theres where the NF and EDL have another thing in common football, and the NF was not a real problem till very late 70's and early 80's, before them it was the skinheads and before them it was the Mods and Rockers, nothing as change apart its getting worse, we had communitys back then, and it would be the local bobby that lived in the neighbourhood that would inform your parents what you was up to, or it would be a relation or friend that would do.
And like ohec says it was not better nore was it worse back in those days but the respect was there for others.

No I remember how the NF forced Labour into second place I also remember the West Indians attacking White youths down at the Royal Pier on Sunday nights so there was violence on both sides but the left have to throw up the racist card when they think they're being threatened by a patriotic party the way you do with UKIP

Are you suggesting the National Front wasn't a racist party? I was under the impression it was a whites-only party that advocated forced repatriation of coloured people, which sounds really quite racist to me.

Still, I'm sure you're right about violence on both sides. As you said earlier, we're just mammals. It's a shame we can't rise above that more often.

loosehead wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:
I take you was to young or was not born till after, its no myth at all, the NF was getting reported at lest once a week, normally at Football matches and theres where the NF and EDL have another thing in common football, and the NF was not a real problem till very late 70's and early 80's, before them it was the skinheads and before them it was the Mods and Rockers, nothing as change apart its getting worse, we had communitys back then, and it would be the local bobby that lived in the neighbourhood that would inform your parents what you was up to, or it would be a relation or friend that would do.
And like ohec says it was not better nore was it worse back in those days but the respect was there for others.

No I remember how the NF forced Labour into second place I also remember the West Indians attacking White youths down at the Royal Pier on Sunday nights so there was violence on both sides but the left have to throw up the racist card when they think they're being threatened by a patriotic party the way you do with UKIP

I did wonder why NF and EDL came into this post, but to bring a reputable party such as UKIP into it just beggars belief. This stopry was about a little scroat, parents probably Tory or Labour (nobody's leb dim these days) who chucked a stone at a a bus. Get bl00dy real.

That's exactly what I've been saying

southy wrote:

loosehead wrote:
Southy I use to be a very good friend of a guy called Gary Todd & I hanged around with the lads from Portswood & it was two of them that were attacked & if you know as much as you say you do you'll know their names & you'll know the West Indian guy who was in our group of friends so come on say the names?

Don't know there names was just there when the 2 gangs turned up, and was refused entry.

Facewagon wrote:

loosehead wrote:

southy wrote:
I take you was to young or was not born till after, its no myth at all, the NF was getting reported at lest once a week, normally at Football matches and theres where the NF and EDL have another thing in common football, and the NF was not a real problem till very late 70's and early 80's, before them it was the skinheads and before them it was the Mods and Rockers, nothing as change apart its getting worse, we had communitys back then, and it would be the local bobby that lived in the neighbourhood that would inform your parents what you was up to, or it would be a relation or friend that would do.
And like ohec says it was not better nore was it worse back in those days but the respect was there for others.

No I remember how the NF forced Labour into second place I also remember the West Indians attacking White youths down at the Royal Pier on Sunday nights so there was violence on both sides but the left have to throw up the racist card when they think they're being threatened by a patriotic party the way you do with UKIP

Are you suggesting the National Front wasn't a racist party? I was under the impression it was a whites-only party that advocated forced repatriation of coloured people, which sounds really quite racist to me.

Still, I'm sure you're right about violence on both sides. As you said earlier, we're just mammals. It's a shame we can't rise above that more often.

Inform Al wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

solomum wrote:

biggsp wrote:
what really annoys me about these stories is that people seem 'scared' of kids these days!!!!!
I understand 'childline' for abuse etc but kids know they cant be touched these days!! When I was a kid, a clip round the ear did enough to make me realise I had done wrong. These days, kids know that NO ONE can do anything. They laugh in the face of authority. What the hell are we teaching kids of today???

I agree, kids should NOT be allowed be allowed to get away with this sort of thing. Bring back the 'old' ways!!!!!

Is it too late? I hope not but it doesn't look good!!

I live in Switzerland now and it amazes me the difference in the youth over here. They speak and are totally pleasant... ... why is it so different than in the UK???? The answer... ... the parents take time for their kids. Perhaps that is the way forward... or back????

I totally agree with you. There is no consequences for todays youth. I grew up with a healthy fear of my mum as I knew a smack from her would flippin well hurt. When she said I would not sit down for a week after a smack, I knew she was not far from the truth. No, she was not a child beater, just a mum who excercised her authority, and it worked. If parents so much as lift a hand to a child now, expect a visit from social services.

If you parent your children properly then smacking is completely unnecessary. If you instil respect and discipline in your children from the day they're born, then hitting them is never needed as words have the desired effect. I was never smacked and I've never been in any trouble whatsoever, despite living is some very dodgy environments in my time. I've never needed to smack the nipper, because there's mutual respect in our relationship and all I need to do is change the tone of my voice and he realises he's pushed it as far as he should.
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Many parents seem to let their kids get away with murder at a very young age, and then wonder why they can't control them as they grow up. It needs to be a consistent thing from before they can talk or walk properly.
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The alternative is teaching your children that if all else fails, resorting to violence is fine. That being bigger than someone gives you the right to hurt them. Not a lesson I'm keen on teaching mine.

All kids are different. My eldest was too good to be true, the next needed constant corporal punishment and the third was between the two. If you've never needed to bash any of your kids you've been incredibly lucky.

Inform Al wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Should an 11 year old be out after dark? Seriously, what on earth goes through some parents heads?

As it gets dark just before 7pm at this time of the year, do you know what time the police pick up this young lad.

The previous report suggested the buses were cancelled at 9PM so am guessing the original offence took place around this time.

So your talking before 9pm, is it that late for a 11 year old, i thinking back to when I was 11, was at senior school and the youth clubs did not close till about that time well 8-30pm but by the time the last one went out it was close to 9-00pm

Southy when me and you were younger, our parents could leave doors unlocked. Sadly times have changed!!

I do believe an 11 year should be accompanied by an adult after dark, no matter the time.

lol that is true you could leave the doors unlock, and leave your keys in the car or motor bike if you had one, and if some took it, it was back before the next day fill up with fuel.

My first few motorbikes did not have ignition keys, they weren't necessary in those days. And of course when I was a nipper being out after dark was not a problem as there were no paedos about and we actually knew right from wrong, or else.

cantthinkofone wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

southy wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:
Should an 11 year old be out after dark? Seriously, what on earth goes through some parents heads?

As it gets dark just before 7pm at this time of the year, do you know what time the police pick up this young lad.

The previous report suggested the buses were cancelled at 9PM so am guessing the original offence took place around this time.

So your talking before 9pm, is it that late for a 11 year old, i thinking back to when I was 11, was at senior school and the youth clubs did not close till about that time well 8-30pm but by the time the last one went out it was close to 9-00pm

Southy when me and you were younger, our parents could leave doors unlocked. Sadly times have changed!!

I do believe an 11 year should be accompanied by an adult after dark, no matter the time.

lol that is true you could leave the doors unlock, and leave your keys in the car or motor bike if you had one, and if some took it, it was back before the next day fill up with fuel.

My first few motorbikes did not have ignition keys, they weren't necessary in those days. And of course when I was a nipper being out after dark was not a problem as there were no paedos about and we actually knew right from wrong, or else.

"there were no paedos about" - LOL!
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Those who have devoted their careers to knowing about it estimate that the incidence of paedophilia has remained pretty much constant since forever. It's not a modern phenomenon at all. Where do you think the stories of 1950s, 60s, 70s scoutmasters and public school teachers originate from?
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The difference between then and now is that in those days the recipients of abuse were far less likely to tell anyone, and far less likely to be believed if they did. "There were no paedos about" roflmao - seriously Al, you don't honestly believe that do you?

cantthinkofone wrote:

Inform Al wrote:

cantthinkofone wrote:

solomum wrote:

biggsp wrote:
what really annoys me about these stories is that people seem 'scared' of kids these days!!!!!
I understand 'childline' for abuse etc but kids know they cant be touched these days!! When I was a kid, a clip round the ear did enough to make me realise I had done wrong. These days, kids know that NO ONE can do anything. They laugh in the face of authority. What the hell are we teaching kids of today???

I agree, kids should NOT be allowed be allowed to get away with this sort of thing. Bring back the 'old' ways!!!!!

Is it too late? I hope not but it doesn't look good!!

I live in Switzerland now and it amazes me the difference in the youth over here. They speak and are totally pleasant... ... why is it so different than in the UK???? The answer... ... the parents take time for their kids. Perhaps that is the way forward... or back????

I totally agree with you. There is no consequences for todays youth. I grew up with a healthy fear of my mum as I knew a smack from her would flippin well hurt. When she said I would not sit down for a week after a smack, I knew she was not far from the truth. No, she was not a child beater, just a mum who excercised her authority, and it worked. If parents so much as lift a hand to a child now, expect a visit from social services.

If you parent your children properly then smacking is completely unnecessary. If you instil respect and discipline in your children from the day they're born, then hitting them is never needed as words have the desired effect. I was never smacked and I've never been in any trouble whatsoever, despite living is some very dodgy environments in my time. I've never needed to smack the nipper, because there's mutual respect in our relationship and all I need to do is change the tone of my voice and he realises he's pushed it as far as he should.
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Many parents seem to let their kids get away with murder at a very young age, and then wonder why they can't control them as they grow up. It needs to be a consistent thing from before they can talk or walk properly.
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The alternative is teaching your children that if all else fails, resorting to violence is fine. That being bigger than someone gives you the right to hurt them. Not a lesson I'm keen on teaching mine.

All kids are different. My eldest was too good to be true, the next needed constant corporal punishment and the third was between the two. If you've never needed to bash any of your kids you've been incredibly lucky.

I've heard that pattern far too often for it to be coincidence. However much you retrospectively believe you parented each of them the same way, I'd lay money that if we travelled back in time there would be plenty of differences to account for it.