Southampton steamship, Shieldhall, saved by Heritage Lottery Fund grant

Shieldhall

Shieldhall

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Shipping & Heritage Reporter

Southampton's historic steamship, Shieldhall has been saved thanks to a £1.4m grant from the Heritage Lottery Fund (HLF).

Not long ago there was a real risk of the vessel, the largest of her type in Europe, being consigned to the scrapyard.

But tireless work by her volunteer crew and this bumper cash injection has ensured she will now sail far into the future.

The HLF award, announced today, is for a three-year project titled “Saving Shieldhall - Learning through Conservation in Action”.

Essential hull works to meet modern regulations, improved passenger facilities and state-of-the art education facilities will enable the volunteers who maintain and operate this unique ship to preserve and deliver the “living experience of a steamship at work” for the nation.

Throughout the summer and autumn, HLF funded work will be going on behind-the-scenes, preparing for major hull repair and modification work to be carried out in dry dock next spring.

Graham Mackenzie, managing director the Solent Steam Packet Limited (TSSP), the volunteer group which now cares for Shieldhall, said: “Then, fully certified, she will be fit to carry her passengers, and her message, around and way beyond the Solent.

“We have plans for apprenticeships and other learning opportunities for young people, and for 'alongside' events of all kinds for young and old, including performance work with the Nuffield Theatre.

“A new Learning and Participation Officer will be recruited and will help deliver visitor and learning activities alongside the volunteers.”

A heritage cargo-passenger ship, included in the National Historic Fleet, Shieldhall was built and launched on the Clyde in 1955, to a classic pre-Second World War design.

She had a long and successful first career with Glasgow Corporation carrying treated sludge out to sea during winter months and, in the summer, taking passengers 'doon the watter' on pleasure trips.

Bought in 1977 by Southern Water she was finally withdrawn from commercial service in 1985, but saved and purchased for £20,000 in 1988 by the charity that still operates her now.

Today the 2,000 tonne Shieldhall, is a unique seagoing 'time capsule'.

She provides a working example of steamship machinery both above and below deck, typical of the cargo and passenger ships that plied the oceans of the world between the 1870s and 1960s, after which they became all but extinct.

“It was 25 years ago that Shieldhall was purchased by our charity, and the HLF award means that in addition to her silver anniversary, we can look forward to celebrating her golden anniversary too,” said Mr Mackenzie.

“It really is the very best anniversary gift for our band of wonderful volunteers.”

Although Shieldhall is currently restricted to Solent waters, she will open her sailing programme next month for the Southampton Maritime Festival.

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4:46pm Tue 2 Apr 13

magssoton says...

Great news, we should do everything to keep our heritage
Great news, we should do everything to keep our heritage magssoton
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5:44pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Stillness says...

Why, exactly?
Why, exactly? Stillness
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5:49pm Tue 2 Apr 13

durkiboy says...

Stillness wrote:
Why, exactly?
Well, this is a seafaring nation that is proud of it's heritage, and so should make every effort to preserve these type of ships. I have seen the "Manxman" fall from grace and be scrapped, a sad sight, so, are you also saying that the Dunkirk Little Ships should not be restored???
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: Why, exactly?[/p][/quote]Well, this is a seafaring nation that is proud of it's heritage, and so should make every effort to preserve these type of ships. I have seen the "Manxman" fall from grace and be scrapped, a sad sight, so, are you also saying that the Dunkirk Little Ships should not be restored??? durkiboy
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6:04pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Stillness says...

durkiboy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Why, exactly?
Well, this is a seafaring nation that is proud of it's heritage, and so should make every effort to preserve these type of ships. I have seen the "Manxman" fall from grace and be scrapped, a sad sight, so, are you also saying that the Dunkirk Little Ships should not be restored???
Any country with a cost is a seafaring nation so nothing special about that. Why do we need to preserve our history to be proud of it? Strange how we choose to forget the bits that we aren't so proud of, perhaps we should remember those? How can an inanimate object fall from grace?
Why should the Dunkirk Little Ships be restored?
Could we not spend the money on improving things for people who live in the present rather than on those who choose to live in their dreams/memories?
The past is for learning from, not living in.
[quote][p][bold]durkiboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: Why, exactly?[/p][/quote]Well, this is a seafaring nation that is proud of it's heritage, and so should make every effort to preserve these type of ships. I have seen the "Manxman" fall from grace and be scrapped, a sad sight, so, are you also saying that the Dunkirk Little Ships should not be restored???[/p][/quote]Any country with a cost is a seafaring nation so nothing special about that. Why do we need to preserve our history to be proud of it? Strange how we choose to forget the bits that we aren't so proud of, perhaps we should remember those? How can an inanimate object fall from grace? Why should the Dunkirk Little Ships be restored? Could we not spend the money on improving things for people who live in the present rather than on those who choose to live in their dreams/memories? The past is for learning from, not living in. Stillness
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6:28pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Stephen J says...

Stillness wrote:
durkiboy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Why, exactly?
Well, this is a seafaring nation that is proud of it's heritage, and so should make every effort to preserve these type of ships. I have seen the "Manxman" fall from grace and be scrapped, a sad sight, so, are you also saying that the Dunkirk Little Ships should not be restored???
Any country with a cost is a seafaring nation so nothing special about that. Why do we need to preserve our history to be proud of it? Strange how we choose to forget the bits that we aren't so proud of, perhaps we should remember those? How can an inanimate object fall from grace?
Why should the Dunkirk Little Ships be restored?
Could we not spend the money on improving things for people who live in the present rather than on those who choose to live in their dreams/memories?
The past is for learning from, not living in.
"The past is for learning from, not living in" is exactly one of the reasons that the HLF has made this grant. If it was all to do with the dreams and memories of a few nostalgia junkies, they wouldn't have got a penny. Are you familiar with the HLF application process?
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]durkiboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: Why, exactly?[/p][/quote]Well, this is a seafaring nation that is proud of it's heritage, and so should make every effort to preserve these type of ships. I have seen the "Manxman" fall from grace and be scrapped, a sad sight, so, are you also saying that the Dunkirk Little Ships should not be restored???[/p][/quote]Any country with a cost is a seafaring nation so nothing special about that. Why do we need to preserve our history to be proud of it? Strange how we choose to forget the bits that we aren't so proud of, perhaps we should remember those? How can an inanimate object fall from grace? Why should the Dunkirk Little Ships be restored? Could we not spend the money on improving things for people who live in the present rather than on those who choose to live in their dreams/memories? The past is for learning from, not living in.[/p][/quote]"The past is for learning from, not living in" is exactly one of the reasons that the HLF has made this grant. If it was all to do with the dreams and memories of a few nostalgia junkies, they wouldn't have got a penny. Are you familiar with the HLF application process? Stephen J
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7:00pm Tue 2 Apr 13

durkiboy says...

Thank you Stephen J, but based on Stillness' opinions, I'm sure he'd want Beaulieu closed down too ;-)
Thank you Stephen J, but based on Stillness' opinions, I'm sure he'd want Beaulieu closed down too ;-) durkiboy
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7:23pm Tue 2 Apr 13

freefinker says...

durkiboy wrote:
Thank you Stephen J, but based on Stillness' opinions, I'm sure he'd want Beaulieu closed down too ;-)
.. and HMS Victory chopped up for firewood?
[quote][p][bold]durkiboy[/bold] wrote: Thank you Stephen J, but based on Stillness' opinions, I'm sure he'd want Beaulieu closed down too ;-)[/p][/quote].. and HMS Victory chopped up for firewood? freefinker
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7:23pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Stillness says...

durkiboy wrote:
Thank you Stephen J, but based on Stillness' opinions, I'm sure he'd want Beaulieu closed down too ;-)
Ah, so you think of it as a tourist attraction then. I don't have a problem with restoring and preserving the past if it can be done without spending tax payers money and I'm sure Lord Montague is very needy of the profit he makes from running his passion as a business. I do however find it strange when people attach sentiment to a relic from the past and expect everybody else to feel the same way.
"If you are depressed you are living in the past. If you are anxious you are living in the future. Both are an illusion" as a wise man once said ;-)
[quote][p][bold]durkiboy[/bold] wrote: Thank you Stephen J, but based on Stillness' opinions, I'm sure he'd want Beaulieu closed down too ;-)[/p][/quote]Ah, so you think of it as a tourist attraction then. I don't have a problem with restoring and preserving the past if it can be done without spending tax payers money and I'm sure Lord Montague is very needy of the profit he makes from running his passion as a business. I do however find it strange when people attach sentiment to a relic from the past and expect everybody else to feel the same way. "If you are depressed you are living in the past. If you are anxious you are living in the future. Both are an illusion" as a wise man once said ;-) Stillness
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7:35pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Stephen J says...

Stillness wrote:
durkiboy wrote:
Thank you Stephen J, but based on Stillness' opinions, I'm sure he'd want Beaulieu closed down too ;-)
Ah, so you think of it as a tourist attraction then. I don't have a problem with restoring and preserving the past if it can be done without spending tax payers money and I'm sure Lord Montague is very needy of the profit he makes from running his passion as a business. I do however find it strange when people attach sentiment to a relic from the past and expect everybody else to feel the same way.
"If you are depressed you are living in the past. If you are anxious you are living in the future. Both are an illusion" as a wise man once said ;-)
I'm sure the people at Shieldhall have the peace of living in the present. Which is why their application to the HLF (not taxpayers' money) has been successful.
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]durkiboy[/bold] wrote: Thank you Stephen J, but based on Stillness' opinions, I'm sure he'd want Beaulieu closed down too ;-)[/p][/quote]Ah, so you think of it as a tourist attraction then. I don't have a problem with restoring and preserving the past if it can be done without spending tax payers money and I'm sure Lord Montague is very needy of the profit he makes from running his passion as a business. I do however find it strange when people attach sentiment to a relic from the past and expect everybody else to feel the same way. "If you are depressed you are living in the past. If you are anxious you are living in the future. Both are an illusion" as a wise man once said ;-)[/p][/quote]I'm sure the people at Shieldhall have the peace of living in the present. Which is why their application to the HLF (not taxpayers' money) has been successful. Stephen J
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7:37pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Eric_Cartman says...

Stillness wrote:
durkiboy wrote:
Thank you Stephen J, but based on Stillness' opinions, I'm sure he'd want Beaulieu closed down too ;-)
Ah, so you think of it as a tourist attraction then. I don't have a problem with restoring and preserving the past if it can be done without spending tax payers money and I'm sure Lord Montague is very needy of the profit he makes from running his passion as a business. I do however find it strange when people attach sentiment to a relic from the past and expect everybody else to feel the same way.
"If you are depressed you are living in the past. If you are anxious you are living in the future. Both are an illusion" as a wise man once said ;-)
What an ignorant moron you are Stillness. It's Lottery money, not tax payers' money. And anyway, if taxpayers' money is being used to educate and inform in a hands on way, then that is a very laudable aim.
The Shieldhall is a lovely little ship, one of Southampton's many hidden gems like the Solent Sky museum, both of which I think don't get any gov't funding.
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]durkiboy[/bold] wrote: Thank you Stephen J, but based on Stillness' opinions, I'm sure he'd want Beaulieu closed down too ;-)[/p][/quote]Ah, so you think of it as a tourist attraction then. I don't have a problem with restoring and preserving the past if it can be done without spending tax payers money and I'm sure Lord Montague is very needy of the profit he makes from running his passion as a business. I do however find it strange when people attach sentiment to a relic from the past and expect everybody else to feel the same way. "If you are depressed you are living in the past. If you are anxious you are living in the future. Both are an illusion" as a wise man once said ;-)[/p][/quote]What an ignorant moron you are Stillness. It's Lottery money, not tax payers' money. And anyway, if taxpayers' money is being used to educate and inform in a hands on way, then that is a very laudable aim. The Shieldhall is a lovely little ship, one of Southampton's many hidden gems like the Solent Sky museum, both of which I think don't get any gov't funding. Eric_Cartman
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8:21pm Tue 2 Apr 13

100%HANTSBOY says...

Stillness wrote:
durkiboy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Why, exactly?
Well, this is a seafaring nation that is proud of it's heritage, and so should make every effort to preserve these type of ships. I have seen the "Manxman" fall from grace and be scrapped, a sad sight, so, are you also saying that the Dunkirk Little Ships should not be restored???
Any country with a cost is a seafaring nation so nothing special about that. Why do we need to preserve our history to be proud of it? Strange how we choose to forget the bits that we aren't so proud of, perhaps we should remember those? How can an inanimate object fall from grace?
Why should the Dunkirk Little Ships be restored?
Could we not spend the money on improving things for people who live in the present rather than on those who choose to live in their dreams/memories?
The past is for learning from, not living in.
Wow! Your'e gonna love the article below about the Mary Rose then ya miserable old sod!!
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]durkiboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: Why, exactly?[/p][/quote]Well, this is a seafaring nation that is proud of it's heritage, and so should make every effort to preserve these type of ships. I have seen the "Manxman" fall from grace and be scrapped, a sad sight, so, are you also saying that the Dunkirk Little Ships should not be restored???[/p][/quote]Any country with a cost is a seafaring nation so nothing special about that. Why do we need to preserve our history to be proud of it? Strange how we choose to forget the bits that we aren't so proud of, perhaps we should remember those? How can an inanimate object fall from grace? Why should the Dunkirk Little Ships be restored? Could we not spend the money on improving things for people who live in the present rather than on those who choose to live in their dreams/memories? The past is for learning from, not living in.[/p][/quote]Wow! Your'e gonna love the article below about the Mary Rose then ya miserable old sod!! 100%HANTSBOY
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9:13pm Tue 2 Apr 13

loosehead says...

Okay knock down the Bargate & City Walls as stillness doesn't see a point in saving our historical buildings,boats,plan
es, let's do a Taliban & smash up the oldest figures in our history?
Boats like this & others can be an education tool so we don't forget the likes of the Holocaust & the Tyrant who did it or should the extermination camps ( Auschwitz,Belsen & Dacha) be bulldozed & no one should remember the millions who died there?
Or if it wasn't for these small ships many more of our soldiers would/could have been machine gunned when supposedly being moved from one camp to another or died on the long march sorry stillness we should try to save this ship
Okay knock down the Bargate & City Walls as stillness doesn't see a point in saving our historical buildings,boats,plan es, let's do a Taliban & smash up the oldest figures in our history? Boats like this & others can be an education tool so we don't forget the likes of the Holocaust & the Tyrant who did it or should the extermination camps ( Auschwitz,Belsen & Dacha) be bulldozed & no one should remember the millions who died there? Or if it wasn't for these small ships many more of our soldiers would/could have been machine gunned when supposedly being moved from one camp to another or died on the long march sorry stillness we should try to save this ship loosehead
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10:16pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Stillness says...

Eric_Cartman wrote:
Stillness wrote:
durkiboy wrote:
Thank you Stephen J, but based on Stillness' opinions, I'm sure he'd want Beaulieu closed down too ;-)
Ah, so you think of it as a tourist attraction then. I don't have a problem with restoring and preserving the past if it can be done without spending tax payers money and I'm sure Lord Montague is very needy of the profit he makes from running his passion as a business. I do however find it strange when people attach sentiment to a relic from the past and expect everybody else to feel the same way.
"If you are depressed you are living in the past. If you are anxious you are living in the future. Both are an illusion" as a wise man once said ;-)
What an ignorant moron you are Stillness. It's Lottery money, not tax payers' money. And anyway, if taxpayers' money is being used to educate and inform in a hands on way, then that is a very laudable aim.
The Shieldhall is a lovely little ship, one of Southampton's many hidden gems like the Solent Sky museum, both of which I think don't get any gov't funding.
Lottery money is taxed, and then taxed again. Try harder.
[quote][p][bold]Eric_Cartman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]durkiboy[/bold] wrote: Thank you Stephen J, but based on Stillness' opinions, I'm sure he'd want Beaulieu closed down too ;-)[/p][/quote]Ah, so you think of it as a tourist attraction then. I don't have a problem with restoring and preserving the past if it can be done without spending tax payers money and I'm sure Lord Montague is very needy of the profit he makes from running his passion as a business. I do however find it strange when people attach sentiment to a relic from the past and expect everybody else to feel the same way. "If you are depressed you are living in the past. If you are anxious you are living in the future. Both are an illusion" as a wise man once said ;-)[/p][/quote]What an ignorant moron you are Stillness. It's Lottery money, not tax payers' money. And anyway, if taxpayers' money is being used to educate and inform in a hands on way, then that is a very laudable aim. The Shieldhall is a lovely little ship, one of Southampton's many hidden gems like the Solent Sky museum, both of which I think don't get any gov't funding.[/p][/quote]Lottery money is taxed, and then taxed again. Try harder. Stillness
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10:31pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Inform Al says...

Sorry stillness but you are a total pr4t. Generations of our forefathers have struggled to put us where we are and that little ship is part of our recent proud history. I wish to God that one of my late fathers Royal Navy ships was still around, I'd be there daily. If we forget our heritage, we forget why we are here and how we can help those in need.
Sorry stillness but you are a total pr4t. Generations of our forefathers have struggled to put us where we are and that little ship is part of our recent proud history. I wish to God that one of my late fathers Royal Navy ships was still around, I'd be there daily. If we forget our heritage, we forget why we are here and how we can help those in need. Inform Al
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10:43pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Stillness says...

Inform Al wrote:
Sorry stillness but you are a total pr4t. Generations of our forefathers have struggled to put us where we are and that little ship is part of our recent proud history. I wish to God that one of my late fathers Royal Navy ships was still around, I'd be there daily. If we forget our heritage, we forget why we are here and how we can help those in need.
So you help people in need by spending money on an old ship? Not sure that many starving, persecuted homeless, etc etc people are going to agree with you on that one. Bye the way your forefathers did not struggle to put you where you are today. They were too busy living their own lives, in what for them was the present. Nice rose tint you have on your glasses though. Now if you could just spend some time tracking down one of your fathers old ships and visit it daily you will have lead a really useful life wont you?
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: Sorry stillness but you are a total pr4t. Generations of our forefathers have struggled to put us where we are and that little ship is part of our recent proud history. I wish to God that one of my late fathers Royal Navy ships was still around, I'd be there daily. If we forget our heritage, we forget why we are here and how we can help those in need.[/p][/quote]So you help people in need by spending money on an old ship? Not sure that many starving, persecuted homeless, etc etc people are going to agree with you on that one. Bye the way your forefathers did not struggle to put you where you are today. They were too busy living their own lives, in what for them was the present. Nice rose tint you have on your glasses though. Now if you could just spend some time tracking down one of your fathers old ships and visit it daily you will have lead a really useful life wont you? Stillness
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11:03pm Tue 2 Apr 13

J.P.M says...

Inform Al wrote:
Sorry stillness but you are a total pr4t. Generations of our forefathers have struggled to put us where we are and that little ship is part of our recent proud history. I wish to God that one of my late fathers Royal Navy ships was still around, I'd be there daily. If we forget our heritage, we forget why we are here and how we can help those in need.
Ehh?

You won't be out next Hampshire MENSA hopeful - that's for sure.

Stillness is quite right. Life is in the PRESENT and FUTURE.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: Sorry stillness but you are a total pr4t. Generations of our forefathers have struggled to put us where we are and that little ship is part of our recent proud history. I wish to God that one of my late fathers Royal Navy ships was still around, I'd be there daily. If we forget our heritage, we forget why we are here and how we can help those in need.[/p][/quote]Ehh? You won't be out next Hampshire MENSA hopeful - that's for sure. Stillness is quite right. Life is in the PRESENT and FUTURE. J.P.M
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11:06pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Inform Al says...

Oh dear, never thought I'd post this. JPMs a troill
Oh dear, never thought I'd post this. JPMs a troill Inform Al
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11:14pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Stillness says...

Inform Al wrote:
Oh dear, never thought I'd post this. JPMs a troill
We did. Still, repeating the past is so interesting I'm sure we will excuse your spolling ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, never thought I'd post this. JPMs a troill[/p][/quote]We did. Still, repeating the past is so interesting I'm sure we will excuse your spolling ;-) Stillness
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11:16pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Stephen J says...

Stillness wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Sorry stillness but you are a total pr4t. Generations of our forefathers have struggled to put us where we are and that little ship is part of our recent proud history. I wish to God that one of my late fathers Royal Navy ships was still around, I'd be there daily. If we forget our heritage, we forget why we are here and how we can help those in need.
So you help people in need by spending money on an old ship? Not sure that many starving, persecuted homeless, etc etc people are going to agree with you on that one. Bye the way your forefathers did not struggle to put you where you are today. They were too busy living their own lives, in what for them was the present. Nice rose tint you have on your glasses though. Now if you could just spend some time tracking down one of your fathers old ships and visit it daily you will have lead a really useful life wont you?
A bunch of unpaid volunteers has brought £1.4 million of investment into Southampton. This is a good news story. Just accept it without the sanctimonious BS.
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: Sorry stillness but you are a total pr4t. Generations of our forefathers have struggled to put us where we are and that little ship is part of our recent proud history. I wish to God that one of my late fathers Royal Navy ships was still around, I'd be there daily. If we forget our heritage, we forget why we are here and how we can help those in need.[/p][/quote]So you help people in need by spending money on an old ship? Not sure that many starving, persecuted homeless, etc etc people are going to agree with you on that one. Bye the way your forefathers did not struggle to put you where you are today. They were too busy living their own lives, in what for them was the present. Nice rose tint you have on your glasses though. Now if you could just spend some time tracking down one of your fathers old ships and visit it daily you will have lead a really useful life wont you?[/p][/quote]A bunch of unpaid volunteers has brought £1.4 million of investment into Southampton. This is a good news story. Just accept it without the sanctimonious BS. Stephen J
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11:19pm Tue 2 Apr 13

J.P.M says...

Inform al is a wet weekend.


Live in the past if you want to be spooky....

I am fine in the present thanks.
Inform al is a wet weekend. Live in the past if you want to be spooky.... I am fine in the present thanks. J.P.M
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11:21pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Stillness says...

Stephen J wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Sorry stillness but you are a total pr4t. Generations of our forefathers have struggled to put us where we are and that little ship is part of our recent proud history. I wish to God that one of my late fathers Royal Navy ships was still around, I'd be there daily. If we forget our heritage, we forget why we are here and how we can help those in need.
So you help people in need by spending money on an old ship? Not sure that many starving, persecuted homeless, etc etc people are going to agree with you on that one. Bye the way your forefathers did not struggle to put you where you are today. They were too busy living their own lives, in what for them was the present. Nice rose tint you have on your glasses though. Now if you could just spend some time tracking down one of your fathers old ships and visit it daily you will have lead a really useful life wont you?
A bunch of unpaid volunteers has brought £1.4 million of investment into Southampton. This is a good news story. Just accept it without the sanctimonious BS.
Yeah as it would be too much to expect anyone to invest that amount on mere people, far better to spend it on trying to live in the past right?
[quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: Sorry stillness but you are a total pr4t. Generations of our forefathers have struggled to put us where we are and that little ship is part of our recent proud history. I wish to God that one of my late fathers Royal Navy ships was still around, I'd be there daily. If we forget our heritage, we forget why we are here and how we can help those in need.[/p][/quote]So you help people in need by spending money on an old ship? Not sure that many starving, persecuted homeless, etc etc people are going to agree with you on that one. Bye the way your forefathers did not struggle to put you where you are today. They were too busy living their own lives, in what for them was the present. Nice rose tint you have on your glasses though. Now if you could just spend some time tracking down one of your fathers old ships and visit it daily you will have lead a really useful life wont you?[/p][/quote]A bunch of unpaid volunteers has brought £1.4 million of investment into Southampton. This is a good news story. Just accept it without the sanctimonious BS.[/p][/quote]Yeah as it would be too much to expect anyone to invest that amount on mere people, far better to spend it on trying to live in the past right? Stillness
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11:32pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Inform Al says...

Sorry stillness, but the only way to learn is from the past. History may be too advanced for you and JPM to understand but fact is most of us are human beings.
Sorry stillness, but the only way to learn is from the past. History may be too advanced for you and JPM to understand but fact is most of us are human beings. Inform Al
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11:39pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Stephen J says...

"Mere people." What do you think this whole thing is about?
"Mere people." What do you think this whole thing is about? Stephen J
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11:43pm Tue 2 Apr 13

Stillness says...

Inform Al wrote:
Sorry stillness, but the only way to learn is from the past. History may be too advanced for you and JPM to understand but fact is most of us are human beings.
You agree with my first comment then when I stated that the past was for learning from then? The only thing you are having problems with, and I don't know how to put it in any simpler terms is that you can only do your learning in the present just like you can only have an effect on what may happen in the future in the present. Memory's and imaginations only exist as electrical impulses in your brain. Whatever you do you do it now, you never did anything when it was the past and you will never do anything when it is the future.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: Sorry stillness, but the only way to learn is from the past. History may be too advanced for you and JPM to understand but fact is most of us are human beings.[/p][/quote]You agree with my first comment then when I stated that the past was for learning from then? The only thing you are having problems with, and I don't know how to put it in any simpler terms is that you can only do your learning in the present just like you can only have an effect on what may happen in the future in the present. Memory's and imaginations only exist as electrical impulses in your brain. Whatever you do you do it now, you never did anything when it was the past and you will never do anything when it is the future. Stillness
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12:09am Wed 3 Apr 13

Stephen J says...

Stillness wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Sorry stillness, but the only way to learn is from the past. History may be too advanced for you and JPM to understand but fact is most of us are human beings.
You agree with my first comment then when I stated that the past was for learning from then? The only thing you are having problems with, and I don't know how to put it in any simpler terms is that you can only do your learning in the present just like you can only have an effect on what may happen in the future in the present. Memory's and imaginations only exist as electrical impulses in your brain. Whatever you do you do it now, you never did anything when it was the past and you will never do anything when it is the future.
As a wise man once said: "To realise that you do not understand is a virtue; not to realise that you do not understand is a defect."
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: Sorry stillness, but the only way to learn is from the past. History may be too advanced for you and JPM to understand but fact is most of us are human beings.[/p][/quote]You agree with my first comment then when I stated that the past was for learning from then? The only thing you are having problems with, and I don't know how to put it in any simpler terms is that you can only do your learning in the present just like you can only have an effect on what may happen in the future in the present. Memory's and imaginations only exist as electrical impulses in your brain. Whatever you do you do it now, you never did anything when it was the past and you will never do anything when it is the future.[/p][/quote]As a wise man once said: "To realise that you do not understand is a virtue; not to realise that you do not understand is a defect." Stephen J
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12:22am Wed 3 Apr 13

snapperdownunder says...

Stillness wrote:
durkiboy wrote:
Stillness wrote:
Why, exactly?
Well, this is a seafaring nation that is proud of it's heritage, and so should make every effort to preserve these type of ships. I have seen the "Manxman" fall from grace and be scrapped, a sad sight, so, are you also saying that the Dunkirk Little Ships should not be restored???
Any country with a cost is a seafaring nation so nothing special about that. Why do we need to preserve our history to be proud of it? Strange how we choose to forget the bits that we aren't so proud of, perhaps we should remember those? How can an inanimate object fall from grace?
Why should the Dunkirk Little Ships be restored?
Could we not spend the money on improving things for people who live in the present rather than on those who choose to live in their dreams/memories?
The past is for learning from, not living in.
I see Stillness isn't complaining about the extra £5million of taxpayer money to upkeep a load of old castles etc.
[quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]durkiboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stillness[/bold] wrote: Why, exactly?[/p][/quote]Well, this is a seafaring nation that is proud of it's heritage, and so should make every effort to preserve these type of ships. I have seen the "Manxman" fall from grace and be scrapped, a sad sight, so, are you also saying that the Dunkirk Little Ships should not be restored???[/p][/quote]Any country with a cost is a seafaring nation so nothing special about that. Why do we need to preserve our history to be proud of it? Strange how we choose to forget the bits that we aren't so proud of, perhaps we should remember those? How can an inanimate object fall from grace? Why should the Dunkirk Little Ships be restored? Could we not spend the money on improving things for people who live in the present rather than on those who choose to live in their dreams/memories? The past is for learning from, not living in.[/p][/quote]I see Stillness isn't complaining about the extra £5million of taxpayer money to upkeep a load of old castles etc. snapperdownunder
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12:37am Wed 3 Apr 13

Torchie1 says...

J.P.M wrote:
Inform al is a wet weekend.


Live in the past if you want to be spooky....

I am fine in the present thanks.
Who was whining about having a husband in one of last centuries forgotten skirmishes?
[quote][p][bold]J.P.M[/bold] wrote: Inform al is a wet weekend. Live in the past if you want to be spooky.... I am fine in the present thanks.[/p][/quote]Who was whining about having a husband in one of last centuries forgotten skirmishes? Torchie1
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12:40am Wed 3 Apr 13

Pikey Pete says...

It is history that makes us what we are. The future and today are shaped by history.

We must preserve as much as we can.
We have lost too much..
It is history that makes us what we are. The future and today are shaped by history. We must preserve as much as we can. We have lost too much.. Pikey Pete
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8:43am Wed 3 Apr 13

Subject48 says...

no **** pete. Society you were born and raised in, its values and beliefs, is what makes you, you TODAY.

So if you want the future generation to be better, you have to invest in the here and now.

I think what stillness is trying to say is that we as a nation need to do more of what we need to do, and not what we want to do, in order to pave the way for future generation.
no **** pete. Society you were born and raised in, its values and beliefs, is what makes you, you TODAY. So if you want the future generation to be better, you have to invest in the here and now. I think what stillness is trying to say is that we as a nation need to do more of what we need to do, and not what we want to do, in order to pave the way for future generation. Subject48
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10:12am Wed 3 Apr 13

Beer Monster says...

**** Pete wrote:
It is history that makes us what we are. The future and today are shaped by history.

We must preserve as much as we can.
We have lost too much..
Having travelled daily on the Hythe Ferry for many years, I have personally seen the transformation the Shieldhall has gone through, from a dilapidated wreck to an almost complete rebuild. It's good to hear that the good work can continue to preserve our cities history.
[quote][p][bold]**** Pete[/bold] wrote: It is history that makes us what we are. The future and today are shaped by history. We must preserve as much as we can. We have lost too much..[/p][/quote]Having travelled daily on the Hythe Ferry for many years, I have personally seen the transformation the Shieldhall has gone through, from a dilapidated wreck to an almost complete rebuild. It's good to hear that the good work can continue to preserve our cities history. Beer Monster
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11:37am Wed 3 Apr 13

Inform Al says...

J.P.M wrote:
Inform al is a wet weekend.


Live in the past if you want to be spooky....

I am fine in the present thanks.
I've just realised why someone keeps calling you a troll
[quote][p][bold]J.P.M[/bold] wrote: Inform al is a wet weekend. Live in the past if you want to be spooky.... I am fine in the present thanks.[/p][/quote]I've just realised why someone keeps calling you a troll Inform Al
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