MP calls for curb on Forest cycle events

Daily Echo: New Forest MP is looking for cycling events to be licensed. New Forest MP is looking for cycling events to be licensed.

THEY are becoming an increasingly controversial sight in the New Forest – thousands of Lycraclad cyclists speeding along country roads.

Now a Hampshire MP is calling for commercial cycling events in the area to be licensed following a spate of complaints about the huge number of riders taking part.

Motorists, horse riders and the people who own the Forest’s famous ponies have highlighted the dangers they claim the events are causing.

About 4,000 cyclists are expected to descend on the area this weekend, when the Fordingbridge-based UK Cycling Events stages the Wiggle New Forest Spring Sportive.

Participants will be able to compete in either a 58-mile or an 86-mile ride, starting at New Park, Brockenhurst.

Now Dr Julian Lewis, Tory MP for New Forest East, has written to transport minister Norman Baker and called for a formal licensing system to be introduced.

It coincides with plans by the New Forest National Park Authority (NPA) to draw up a charter for the organisers of mass cycle events.

Highway Code Dr Lewis’s letter accuses some of the riders of flouting the Highway Code and also cites two near misses involving cyclists and Forest animals.

It adds: “We should not wait for a serious incident before deciding upon an appropriate degree of regulation – not something heavyhanded but something recognising that both the frequency and size of these huge commercial cycling events have greatly increased.

“Events of this size on public roads clearly need some form of regulation and/or licensing.”

The changes sought by Dr Lewis would require special permits to be issued by New Forest District Council.

An NPA spokesman said the events were not races, which meant no formal permission to stage them was currently needed.

However, he confirmed that the NPA aimed to produce a code of conduct for cyclists and a charter for event organisers following concerns raised by residents and other organisations.

But Martin Barden, a director of UK Cycling Events, has hit back at critics. He said the start of the Wiggle New Forest Spring Sportive would be spread over two-and-a-half hours, with cyclists released in small groups.

“Cycling is becoming more and more popular and it is the responsibility of every motorist and cyclist to share the roads in a considerate manner,” added Mr Barden.

“Any cyclist seen to be breaking the Highway Code will, as part of our terms and conditions, be banned from future events.”

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8:17am Tue 9 Apr 13

Forest Resident says...

Julian Lewis you clueless fool, the roads of the forest aren't just for you and your elitist Tory mates to enjoy at the weekends! If you are genuinely concerned about road safety in the New Forest why not start with clamping down on cars that are regularly killing ponies as a result of excess speed? Going after these locals enjoying a healthy social activity which contributes enormously to the local economy is ill informed and short sighted.
Julian Lewis you clueless fool, the roads of the forest aren't just for you and your elitist Tory mates to enjoy at the weekends! If you are genuinely concerned about road safety in the New Forest why not start with clamping down on cars that are regularly killing ponies as a result of excess speed? Going after these locals enjoying a healthy social activity which contributes enormously to the local economy is ill informed and short sighted. Forest Resident
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8:48am Tue 9 Apr 13

teamgreen says...

and while at the banning table start with the nimbys and end up with the boat/yachtie types.also the local yokel drink driver types as well,sunday drivers who slow the traffic down,horses and carts in fact fence the whole forest in and start hunting again.typical DR or is that a non medical DR who thinks he knows whats best for everyone.elitist tw@t.
and while at the banning table start with the nimbys and end up with the boat/yachtie types.also the local yokel drink driver types as well,sunday drivers who slow the traffic down,horses and carts in fact fence the whole forest in and start hunting again.typical DR or is that a non medical DR who thinks he knows whats best for everyone.elitist tw@t. teamgreen
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8:51am Tue 9 Apr 13

saint61 says...

Dave of Dibden wrote:
Forest Resident wrote: Julian Lewis you clueless fool, the roads of the forest aren't just for you and your elitist Tory mates to enjoy at the weekends! If you are genuinely concerned about road safety in the New Forest why not start with clamping down on cars that are regularly killing ponies as a result of excess speed? Going after these locals enjoying a healthy social activity which contributes enormously to the local economy is ill informed and short sighted.
They are NOT all locals, these large gatherings of cycle louts are races because the people are timed with transponders fitted to the bikes and prizes given to the fastest time.
Oh Dibden...the heart of the New Forest?
[quote][p][bold]Dave of Dibden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Julian Lewis you clueless fool, the roads of the forest aren't just for you and your elitist Tory mates to enjoy at the weekends! If you are genuinely concerned about road safety in the New Forest why not start with clamping down on cars that are regularly killing ponies as a result of excess speed? Going after these locals enjoying a healthy social activity which contributes enormously to the local economy is ill informed and short sighted.[/p][/quote]They are NOT all locals, these large gatherings of cycle louts are races because the people are timed with transponders fitted to the bikes and prizes given to the fastest time.[/p][/quote]Oh Dibden...the heart of the New Forest? saint61
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8:58am Tue 9 Apr 13

Forest Resident says...

Dave, the majority of participants are from within a 50 odd mile radius, relatively local in the scheme of thinhs I'm sure you will agree. There are no prizes, times are indeed recorded but purely for ones own personal challenge and are only provided on the website after the event where they are 'awarded' a time band of gold, silver or bronze, there are no physical prizes at all as it is not a race despite what the NIMBY's like Julian Lewis would had you believe.
Dave, the majority of participants are from within a 50 odd mile radius, relatively local in the scheme of thinhs I'm sure you will agree. There are no prizes, times are indeed recorded but purely for ones own personal challenge and are only provided on the website after the event where they are 'awarded' a time band of gold, silver or bronze, there are no physical prizes at all as it is not a race despite what the NIMBY's like Julian Lewis would had you believe. Forest Resident
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9:25am Tue 9 Apr 13

hulla baloo says...

Forest Resident wrote:
Dave, the majority of participants are from within a 50 odd mile radius, relatively local in the scheme of thinhs I'm sure you will agree. There are no prizes, times are indeed recorded but purely for ones own personal challenge and are only provided on the website after the event where they are 'awarded' a time band of gold, silver or bronze, there are no physical prizes at all as it is not a race despite what the NIMBY's like Julian Lewis would had you believe.
So groups, or many solo cyclists, and their watchers.support vehicles etc do not constitute a hazard?
They are a menace, and whilst women should be encouraged,there should be a ban on any man wearing tight lycra clothes.
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Dave, the majority of participants are from within a 50 odd mile radius, relatively local in the scheme of thinhs I'm sure you will agree. There are no prizes, times are indeed recorded but purely for ones own personal challenge and are only provided on the website after the event where they are 'awarded' a time band of gold, silver or bronze, there are no physical prizes at all as it is not a race despite what the NIMBY's like Julian Lewis would had you believe.[/p][/quote]So groups, or many solo cyclists, and their watchers.support vehicles etc do not constitute a hazard? They are a menace, and whilst women should be encouraged,there should be a ban on any man wearing tight lycra clothes. hulla baloo
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9:28am Tue 9 Apr 13

Brock_and_Roll says...

without wishing to get into the pros and cons of this event, one thing that the media have completely failed to pick up on is that unlike last year where the event started & ended in the middle of Brockenhurst, this year is event is based at New Park Manor Hotel.

This means that 4,000 cyclists will be starting out straight onto a very fast & HGV infested stretch of the A337and also using this bit of road when they are tired at the end of the event.

Now if adults want to cycle up that bit of road (and I personally would not) then thats their business but there are lots of U16s taking part in this event.

Personally I think this is absolute madness based on financial greed in order to accommodate the huge number - if a child gets killed, the organisers will have blood on their hands.
without wishing to get into the pros and cons of this event, one thing that the media have completely failed to pick up on is that unlike last year where the event started & ended in the middle of Brockenhurst, this year is event is based at New Park Manor Hotel. This means that 4,000 cyclists will be starting out straight onto a very fast & HGV infested stretch of the A337and also using this bit of road when they are tired at the end of the event. Now if adults want to cycle up that bit of road (and I personally would not) then thats their business but there are lots of U16s taking part in this event. Personally I think this is absolute madness based on financial greed in order to accommodate the huge number - if a child gets killed, the organisers will have blood on their hands. Brock_and_Roll
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9:29am Tue 9 Apr 13

sampton says...

Dave of Dibden wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
Julian Lewis you clueless fool, the roads of the forest aren't just for you and your elitist Tory mates to enjoy at the weekends! If you are genuinely concerned about road safety in the New Forest why not start with clamping down on cars that are regularly killing ponies as a result of excess speed? Going after these locals enjoying a healthy social activity which contributes enormously to the local economy is ill informed and short sighted.
They are NOT all locals, these large gatherings of cycle louts are races because the people are timed with transponders fitted to the bikes and prizes given to the fastest time.
Utter rubbish - the only person you'd be racing against is yourself. UK Cycling events explicitly state that it is not a race. Prizes for the fastest times are not handed out - you get a goody bag at the end and sometimes a medal (which has no bearing on your time whatsoever - it's merely decorative)
[quote][p][bold]Dave of Dibden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Julian Lewis you clueless fool, the roads of the forest aren't just for you and your elitist Tory mates to enjoy at the weekends! If you are genuinely concerned about road safety in the New Forest why not start with clamping down on cars that are regularly killing ponies as a result of excess speed? Going after these locals enjoying a healthy social activity which contributes enormously to the local economy is ill informed and short sighted.[/p][/quote]They are NOT all locals, these large gatherings of cycle louts are races because the people are timed with transponders fitted to the bikes and prizes given to the fastest time.[/p][/quote]Utter rubbish - the only person you'd be racing against is yourself. UK Cycling events explicitly state that it is not a race. Prizes for the fastest times are not handed out - you get a goody bag at the end and sometimes a medal (which has no bearing on your time whatsoever - it's merely decorative) sampton
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10:22am Tue 9 Apr 13

Torchie1 says...

I wonder why the website has changed the way the number of participants is described from '5800' to 'over 2000 per day' ?
I wonder why the website has changed the way the number of participants is described from '5800' to 'over 2000 per day' ? Torchie1
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12:16pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Sportives and other such cycling events already ARE organised and regulated and they are also LICENCED by British cycling, the only rides that aren't regulated or licenced as such are club rides which generally consist of 50 riders or less, also, I don't think 80Kg of rider and bike will do anything to a new forest pony, a car or truck on the other hand... Then there's the claim that the cyclists are "speeding" this is simply not true, partly due to a loophole in the law that means speed limits (unless local bylaws state they apply to ALL vehicles) don't apply to cyclists and partly because most of the forest roads have a limit of 40 or more, a speed most cyclists can't achieve without going downhill.
Sportives and other such cycling events already ARE organised and regulated and they are also LICENCED by British cycling, the only rides that aren't regulated or licenced as such are club rides which generally consist of 50 riders or less, also, I don't think 80Kg of rider and bike will do anything to a new forest pony, a car or truck on the other hand... Then there's the claim that the cyclists are "speeding" this is simply not true, partly due to a loophole in the law that means speed limits (unless local bylaws state they apply to ALL vehicles) don't apply to cyclists and partly because most of the forest roads have a limit of 40 or more, a speed most cyclists can't achieve without going downhill. Ginger_cyclist
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12:26pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Mike_D says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Sportives and other such cycling events already ARE organised and regulated and they are also LICENCED by British cycling, the only rides that aren't regulated or licenced as such are club rides which generally consist of 50 riders or less, also, I don't think 80Kg of rider and bike will do anything to a new forest pony, a car or truck on the other hand... Then there's the claim that the cyclists are "speeding" this is simply not true, partly due to a loophole in the law that means speed limits (unless local bylaws state they apply to ALL vehicles) don't apply to cyclists and partly because most of the forest roads have a limit of 40 or more, a speed most cyclists can't achieve without going downhill.
"Dr Lewis’s letter accuses some of the riders of flouting the Highway Code and also cites two near misses involving cyclists and Forest animals."

Oh for heaven's sake. Number of Forest animals killed by cyclists ever = none. Number of Forest animals killed by motor vehicles = about 65 a year. Which of these is the bigger problem? Never mind the fact that in a collision between a cyclist and a pony or cow, it's the cyclist that'll come off worst.

And if cyclists are breaking traffic laws, then that's surely something for the police to deal with. Although they might want to start with all the drivers flouting the 40mph speed limits first.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Sportives and other such cycling events already ARE organised and regulated and they are also LICENCED by British cycling, the only rides that aren't regulated or licenced as such are club rides which generally consist of 50 riders or less, also, I don't think 80Kg of rider and bike will do anything to a new forest pony, a car or truck on the other hand... Then there's the claim that the cyclists are "speeding" this is simply not true, partly due to a loophole in the law that means speed limits (unless local bylaws state they apply to ALL vehicles) don't apply to cyclists and partly because most of the forest roads have a limit of 40 or more, a speed most cyclists can't achieve without going downhill.[/p][/quote]"Dr Lewis’s letter accuses some of the riders of flouting the Highway Code and also cites two near misses involving cyclists and Forest animals." Oh for heaven's sake. Number of Forest animals killed by cyclists ever = none. Number of Forest animals killed by motor vehicles = about 65 a year. Which of these is the bigger problem? Never mind the fact that in a collision between a cyclist and a pony or cow, it's the cyclist that'll come off worst. And if cyclists are breaking traffic laws, then that's surely something for the police to deal with. Although they might want to start with all the drivers flouting the 40mph speed limits first. Mike_D
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12:26pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Mike_D says...

Hm. Not sure why ginger_cyclist's post got quoted in there, sorry 'bout that.
Hm. Not sure why ginger_cyclist's post got quoted in there, sorry 'bout that. Mike_D
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12:33pm Tue 9 Apr 13

General Grievance says...

Is cycling really becoming increasingly controversial? The posts here will mirror the ones posted a year ago ahead of the last event of this nature.. The event passing without incident as far as I am aware. Use of lycra maybe an issue for casual observers but that really is an individual choice and the suggestion of speeding along country lanes is a bit cheap. Comment above about the New Park start is a valid one in my opinion but with that exception the event appears extremely well organised. I understand that they are also allowing registrations in advance of the event to reduce any congestion which is another refinement to reduce problems. Would like the local press to embrace events that encourage people to visit the area rather than inventing controversy to fill up this forum as the debate is pretty tired now.
Is cycling really becoming increasingly controversial? The posts here will mirror the ones posted a year ago ahead of the last event of this nature.. The event passing without incident as far as I am aware. Use of lycra maybe an issue for casual observers but that really is an individual choice and the suggestion of speeding along country lanes is a bit cheap. Comment above about the New Park start is a valid one in my opinion but with that exception the event appears extremely well organised. I understand that they are also allowing registrations in advance of the event to reduce any congestion which is another refinement to reduce problems. Would like the local press to embrace events that encourage people to visit the area rather than inventing controversy to fill up this forum as the debate is pretty tired now. General Grievance
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12:45pm Tue 9 Apr 13

wav3ydave says...

Does amuse me that people think they have a right to comment on what another person wears on their bike, and that it's somehow relevant to a discussion on safety.

Personally I think people that wear polo shirts and tie their jumpers round their shoulders look a bit stupid. But I fail to see how that has any bearing on whether yachting is safe...
Does amuse me that people think they have a right to comment on what another person wears on their bike, and that it's somehow relevant to a discussion on safety. Personally I think people that wear polo shirts and tie their jumpers round their shoulders look a bit stupid. But I fail to see how that has any bearing on whether yachting is safe... wav3ydave
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12:49pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Knickas says...

Well I am a Forest Resident, have live here all my life and my family for generations before that, so that's my credentials. I can say first hand that they are a complete menace! Riding 4 or 5 abreast, right accross the road, comind downhill on a blind bend! There was nearly carnage! This happened several time in a 20 minut interaval. Not to mention having to break frequently for kids wobbling out into the middle of the road and coping with their absolute ignoring any pretance of the highway code! People live and work in the forest and shouldn't have to deal with these dangerous idiots who see the forest as a large playpark!
Well I am a Forest Resident, have live here all my life and my family for generations before that, so that's my credentials. I can say first hand that they are a complete menace! Riding 4 or 5 abreast, right accross the road, comind downhill on a blind bend! There was nearly carnage! This happened several time in a 20 minut interaval. Not to mention having to break frequently for kids wobbling out into the middle of the road and coping with their absolute ignoring any pretance of the highway code! People live and work in the forest and shouldn't have to deal with these dangerous idiots who see the forest as a large playpark! Knickas
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12:49pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Torchie1 says...

Mike_D wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Sportives and other such cycling events already ARE organised and regulated and they are also LICENCED by British cycling, the only rides that aren't regulated or licenced as such are club rides which generally consist of 50 riders or less, also, I don't think 80Kg of rider and bike will do anything to a new forest pony, a car or truck on the other hand... Then there's the claim that the cyclists are "speeding" this is simply not true, partly due to a loophole in the law that means speed limits (unless local bylaws state they apply to ALL vehicles) don't apply to cyclists and partly because most of the forest roads have a limit of 40 or more, a speed most cyclists can't achieve without going downhill.
"Dr Lewis’s letter accuses some of the riders of flouting the Highway Code and also cites two near misses involving cyclists and Forest animals."

Oh for heaven's sake. Number of Forest animals killed by cyclists ever = none. Number of Forest animals killed by motor vehicles = about 65 a year. Which of these is the bigger problem? Never mind the fact that in a collision between a cyclist and a pony or cow, it's the cyclist that'll come off worst.

And if cyclists are breaking traffic laws, then that's surely something for the police to deal with. Although they might want to start with all the drivers flouting the 40mph speed limits first.
Have the Echo managed to find the only picture in existence of a couple of dozen cyclists taking up the whole road in contravention of the Highway Code? The participants are oblivious to the fact that something may come from the other direction or that someone may wish to overtake, and while they continue to behave like this they hand ammunition to those who oppose these events.
[quote][p][bold]Mike_D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Sportives and other such cycling events already ARE organised and regulated and they are also LICENCED by British cycling, the only rides that aren't regulated or licenced as such are club rides which generally consist of 50 riders or less, also, I don't think 80Kg of rider and bike will do anything to a new forest pony, a car or truck on the other hand... Then there's the claim that the cyclists are "speeding" this is simply not true, partly due to a loophole in the law that means speed limits (unless local bylaws state they apply to ALL vehicles) don't apply to cyclists and partly because most of the forest roads have a limit of 40 or more, a speed most cyclists can't achieve without going downhill.[/p][/quote]"Dr Lewis’s letter accuses some of the riders of flouting the Highway Code and also cites two near misses involving cyclists and Forest animals." Oh for heaven's sake. Number of Forest animals killed by cyclists ever = none. Number of Forest animals killed by motor vehicles = about 65 a year. Which of these is the bigger problem? Never mind the fact that in a collision between a cyclist and a pony or cow, it's the cyclist that'll come off worst. And if cyclists are breaking traffic laws, then that's surely something for the police to deal with. Although they might want to start with all the drivers flouting the 40mph speed limits first.[/p][/quote]Have the Echo managed to find the only picture in existence of a couple of dozen cyclists taking up the whole road in contravention of the Highway Code? The participants are oblivious to the fact that something may come from the other direction or that someone may wish to overtake, and while they continue to behave like this they hand ammunition to those who oppose these events. Torchie1
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1:17pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Niel says...

Forest Resident wrote:
Dave, the majority of participants are from within a 50 odd mile radius, relatively local in the scheme of thinhs I'm sure you will agree. There are no prizes, times are indeed recorded but purely for ones own personal challenge and are only provided on the website after the event where they are 'awarded' a time band of gold, silver or bronze, there are no physical prizes at all as it is not a race despite what the NIMBY's like Julian Lewis would had you believe.
And how many will ride to and from the event? Not many, cyclists tend to be arrogant road users (yes I have direct experience as a wheely-down safety marshal), put them in a car or van and they often drive badly too. Number plate and rear light's visible? Too often not, hidden by bikes strapped on the back...

Hampshire Police would do well to attend and check these 'cyclistas' 4 wheeled transport is legal!
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Dave, the majority of participants are from within a 50 odd mile radius, relatively local in the scheme of thinhs I'm sure you will agree. There are no prizes, times are indeed recorded but purely for ones own personal challenge and are only provided on the website after the event where they are 'awarded' a time band of gold, silver or bronze, there are no physical prizes at all as it is not a race despite what the NIMBY's like Julian Lewis would had you believe.[/p][/quote]And how many will ride to and from the event? Not many, cyclists tend to be arrogant road users (yes I have direct experience as a wheely-down safety marshal), put them in a car or van and they often drive badly too. Number plate and rear light's visible? Too often not, hidden by bikes strapped on the back... Hampshire Police would do well to attend and check these 'cyclistas' 4 wheeled transport is legal! Niel
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1:23pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Brock_and_Roll says...

I think the problem for us locals is not traditional "leisure cycling" that has been going on in the forest for a 100 years, but a spread of what I would call an "urban attitude" amongst cyclists.

We all know that in London for example, cyclists are competitng for very limited space with cars, trucks, buses etc and this often necessitate a very assertive attitude just to keep themselves alive - this is understandable.

However, this seems to have spread to leisure cycling and what with the increased speeds of road bikes, you now have a situation where you feel that groups of cyclists almost enjoy their power to hold back motorists by riding in long groups or >2 abreast.

Then add to this some poor old buffer in a fluroscent jacked like there was in Burley viallage last sunday morning trying (and failing) to control traffic so that speeding cylists could zoom straight through the Bransgore road junction - then you imagine why drivers are starting to feel that there is one rule for one....

Anyway, this weekend will be like a bank holiday for local forest residents - might as well stay at home becasue there is no point taking the car out!
I think the problem for us locals is not traditional "leisure cycling" that has been going on in the forest for a 100 years, but a spread of what I would call an "urban attitude" amongst cyclists. We all know that in London for example, cyclists are competitng for very limited space with cars, trucks, buses etc and this often necessitate a very assertive attitude just to keep themselves alive - this is understandable. However, this seems to have spread to leisure cycling and what with the increased speeds of road bikes, you now have a situation where you feel that groups of cyclists almost enjoy their power to hold back motorists by riding in long groups or >2 abreast. Then add to this some poor old buffer in a fluroscent jacked like there was in Burley viallage last sunday morning trying (and failing) to control traffic so that speeding cylists could zoom straight through the Bransgore road junction - then you imagine why drivers are starting to feel that there is one rule for one.... Anyway, this weekend will be like a bank holiday for local forest residents - might as well stay at home becasue there is no point taking the car out! Brock_and_Roll
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1:30pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Knickas wrote:
Well I am a Forest Resident, have live here all my life and my family for generations before that, so that's my credentials. I can say first hand that they are a complete menace! Riding 4 or 5 abreast, right accross the road, comind downhill on a blind bend! There was nearly carnage! This happened several time in a 20 minut interaval. Not to mention having to break frequently for kids wobbling out into the middle of the road and coping with their absolute ignoring any pretance of the highway code! People live and work in the forest and shouldn't have to deal with these dangerous idiots who see the forest as a large playpark!
Ever thought that maybe when they're right across the road that it might be one group overtaking another? I doubt you complain if you saw 2 cars side by side and would instantly pass it off as one overtaking the other, also, if there is a downhill section with a blind bend then they have no choice but to come downhill on a blind bend, also, what's the problem with kids taking part? It's exercise, it keeps them fit and healthy, they're outside, or would you rather they become obese or exercise in an air-conditioned gym being pressured into buying stuff they don't need or trying to be like some asswho's on steroids? Also, no, you shouldn't have to deal with cyclists, you should learn to **** well SHARE the forest as it's there for everyone, not just local nimbys like you.
[quote][p][bold]Knickas[/bold] wrote: Well I am a Forest Resident, have live here all my life and my family for generations before that, so that's my credentials. I can say first hand that they are a complete menace! Riding 4 or 5 abreast, right accross the road, comind downhill on a blind bend! There was nearly carnage! This happened several time in a 20 minut interaval. Not to mention having to break frequently for kids wobbling out into the middle of the road and coping with their absolute ignoring any pretance of the highway code! People live and work in the forest and shouldn't have to deal with these dangerous idiots who see the forest as a large playpark![/p][/quote]Ever thought that maybe when they're right across the road that it might be one group overtaking another? I doubt you complain if you saw 2 cars side by side and would instantly pass it off as one overtaking the other, also, if there is a downhill section with a blind bend then they have no choice but to come downhill on a blind bend, also, what's the problem with kids taking part? It's exercise, it keeps them fit and healthy, they're outside, or would you rather they become obese or exercise in an air-conditioned gym being pressured into buying stuff they don't need or trying to be like some asswho's on steroids? Also, no, you shouldn't have to deal with cyclists, you should learn to **** well SHARE the forest as it's there for everyone, not just local nimbys like you. Ginger_cyclist
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1:37pm Tue 9 Apr 13

MGBR says...

Knickas wrote:
Well I am a Forest Resident, have live here all my life and my family for generations before that, so that's my credentials. I can say first hand that they are a complete menace! Riding 4 or 5 abreast, right accross the road, comind downhill on a blind bend! There was nearly carnage! This happened several time in a 20 minut interaval. Not to mention having to break frequently for kids wobbling out into the middle of the road and coping with their absolute ignoring any pretance of the highway code! People live and work in the forest and shouldn't have to deal with these dangerous idiots who see the forest as a large playpark!
Obviously you have photographic evidence of this "menace". How does that rule work again - no photo or it isn't true?
[quote][p][bold]Knickas[/bold] wrote: Well I am a Forest Resident, have live here all my life and my family for generations before that, so that's my credentials. I can say first hand that they are a complete menace! Riding 4 or 5 abreast, right accross the road, comind downhill on a blind bend! There was nearly carnage! This happened several time in a 20 minut interaval. Not to mention having to break frequently for kids wobbling out into the middle of the road and coping with their absolute ignoring any pretance of the highway code! People live and work in the forest and shouldn't have to deal with these dangerous idiots who see the forest as a large playpark![/p][/quote]Obviously you have photographic evidence of this "menace". How does that rule work again - no photo or it isn't true? MGBR
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1:41pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Brock_and_Roll wrote:
I think the problem for us locals is not traditional "leisure cycling" that has been going on in the forest for a 100 years, but a spread of what I would call an "urban attitude" amongst cyclists.

We all know that in London for example, cyclists are competitng for very limited space with cars, trucks, buses etc and this often necessitate a very assertive attitude just to keep themselves alive - this is understandable.

However, this seems to have spread to leisure cycling and what with the increased speeds of road bikes, you now have a situation where you feel that groups of cyclists almost enjoy their power to hold back motorists by riding in long groups or >2 abreast.

Then add to this some poor old buffer in a fluroscent jacked like there was in Burley viallage last sunday morning trying (and failing) to control traffic so that speeding cylists could zoom straight through the Bransgore road junction - then you imagine why drivers are starting to feel that there is one rule for one....

Anyway, this weekend will be like a bank holiday for local forest residents - might as well stay at home becasue there is no point taking the car out!
Try cycling in the city for a bit, you'll soon learn why cyclists are becoming more assertive, also, cyclists have as much right to be on the road as a car.
[quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: I think the problem for us locals is not traditional "leisure cycling" that has been going on in the forest for a 100 years, but a spread of what I would call an "urban attitude" amongst cyclists. We all know that in London for example, cyclists are competitng for very limited space with cars, trucks, buses etc and this often necessitate a very assertive attitude just to keep themselves alive - this is understandable. However, this seems to have spread to leisure cycling and what with the increased speeds of road bikes, you now have a situation where you feel that groups of cyclists almost enjoy their power to hold back motorists by riding in long groups or >2 abreast. Then add to this some poor old buffer in a fluroscent jacked like there was in Burley viallage last sunday morning trying (and failing) to control traffic so that speeding cylists could zoom straight through the Bransgore road junction - then you imagine why drivers are starting to feel that there is one rule for one.... Anyway, this weekend will be like a bank holiday for local forest residents - might as well stay at home becasue there is no point taking the car out![/p][/quote]Try cycling in the city for a bit, you'll soon learn why cyclists are becoming more assertive, also, cyclists have as much right to be on the road as a car. Ginger_cyclist
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1:42pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Brock_and_Roll says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Knickas wrote: Well I am a Forest Resident, have live here all my life and my family for generations before that, so that's my credentials. I can say first hand that they are a complete menace! Riding 4 or 5 abreast, right accross the road, comind downhill on a blind bend! There was nearly carnage! This happened several time in a 20 minut interaval. Not to mention having to break frequently for kids wobbling out into the middle of the road and coping with their absolute ignoring any pretance of the highway code! People live and work in the forest and shouldn't have to deal with these dangerous idiots who see the forest as a large playpark!
Ever thought that maybe when they're right across the road that it might be one group overtaking another? I doubt you complain if you saw 2 cars side by side and would instantly pass it off as one overtaking the other, also, if there is a downhill section with a blind bend then they have no choice but to come downhill on a blind bend, also, what's the problem with kids taking part? It's exercise, it keeps them fit and healthy, they're outside, or would you rather they become obese or exercise in an air-conditioned gym being pressured into buying stuff they don't need or trying to be like some asswho's on steroids? Also, no, you shouldn't have to deal with cyclists, you should learn to **** well SHARE the forest as it's there for everyone, not just local nimbys like you.
Still you have to giggle when you see large groups of "men" clad from head to toe in pink lycra bearing the names of obscure french insurance companies. Still, its the 21st century I we should respect people regardless of their race, creed or sexual preferences!
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Knickas[/bold] wrote: Well I am a Forest Resident, have live here all my life and my family for generations before that, so that's my credentials. I can say first hand that they are a complete menace! Riding 4 or 5 abreast, right accross the road, comind downhill on a blind bend! There was nearly carnage! This happened several time in a 20 minut interaval. Not to mention having to break frequently for kids wobbling out into the middle of the road and coping with their absolute ignoring any pretance of the highway code! People live and work in the forest and shouldn't have to deal with these dangerous idiots who see the forest as a large playpark![/p][/quote]Ever thought that maybe when they're right across the road that it might be one group overtaking another? I doubt you complain if you saw 2 cars side by side and would instantly pass it off as one overtaking the other, also, if there is a downhill section with a blind bend then they have no choice but to come downhill on a blind bend, also, what's the problem with kids taking part? It's exercise, it keeps them fit and healthy, they're outside, or would you rather they become obese or exercise in an air-conditioned gym being pressured into buying stuff they don't need or trying to be like some asswho's on steroids? Also, no, you shouldn't have to deal with cyclists, you should learn to **** well SHARE the forest as it's there for everyone, not just local nimbys like you.[/p][/quote]Still you have to giggle when you see large groups of "men" clad from head to toe in pink lycra bearing the names of obscure french insurance companies. Still, its the 21st century I we should respect people regardless of their race, creed or sexual preferences! Brock_and_Roll
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1:46pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Brock_and_Roll says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Brock_and_Roll wrote: I think the problem for us locals is not traditional "leisure cycling" that has been going on in the forest for a 100 years, but a spread of what I would call an "urban attitude" amongst cyclists. We all know that in London for example, cyclists are competitng for very limited space with cars, trucks, buses etc and this often necessitate a very assertive attitude just to keep themselves alive - this is understandable. However, this seems to have spread to leisure cycling and what with the increased speeds of road bikes, you now have a situation where you feel that groups of cyclists almost enjoy their power to hold back motorists by riding in long groups or >2 abreast. Then add to this some poor old buffer in a fluroscent jacked like there was in Burley viallage last sunday morning trying (and failing) to control traffic so that speeding cylists could zoom straight through the Bransgore road junction - then you imagine why drivers are starting to feel that there is one rule for one.... Anyway, this weekend will be like a bank holiday for local forest residents - might as well stay at home becasue there is no point taking the car out!
Try cycling in the city for a bit, you'll soon learn why cyclists are becoming more assertive, also, cyclists have as much right to be on the road as a car.
Thats exactly my point! You HAVE to ride like that in the city to survive - but its not like that down in the New Forest as there is more room and all road users are on the whole far more polite and considerate.

I for one absolutely hate driving in the city and could not even imagine cycling there - things that we regard as common courtesy down here are regardless as a "sign of weakness" in London and are exploited to the max!
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: I think the problem for us locals is not traditional "leisure cycling" that has been going on in the forest for a 100 years, but a spread of what I would call an "urban attitude" amongst cyclists. We all know that in London for example, cyclists are competitng for very limited space with cars, trucks, buses etc and this often necessitate a very assertive attitude just to keep themselves alive - this is understandable. However, this seems to have spread to leisure cycling and what with the increased speeds of road bikes, you now have a situation where you feel that groups of cyclists almost enjoy their power to hold back motorists by riding in long groups or >2 abreast. Then add to this some poor old buffer in a fluroscent jacked like there was in Burley viallage last sunday morning trying (and failing) to control traffic so that speeding cylists could zoom straight through the Bransgore road junction - then you imagine why drivers are starting to feel that there is one rule for one.... Anyway, this weekend will be like a bank holiday for local forest residents - might as well stay at home becasue there is no point taking the car out![/p][/quote]Try cycling in the city for a bit, you'll soon learn why cyclists are becoming more assertive, also, cyclists have as much right to be on the road as a car.[/p][/quote]Thats exactly my point! You HAVE to ride like that in the city to survive - but its not like that down in the New Forest as there is more room and all road users are on the whole far more polite and considerate. I for one absolutely hate driving in the city and could not even imagine cycling there - things that we regard as common courtesy down here are regardless as a "sign of weakness" in London and are exploited to the max! Brock_and_Roll
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2:00pm Tue 9 Apr 13

lozza_lou says...

I'm really disappointed to see some of the comments from residents of the forest on here. I moved to the forest three years ago, attracted by its beauty and the friendly nature of the place and the people which I had experienced on visits. Every time I turn off the motorway back into my village I feel incredibly lucky to be able to live in this special place. I love that other people want to come and enjoy the Forest, be it on foot, bike or car, and rather than seeing those visiting the forest as a nuisance, see them as a reminder that I live in a place special enough that people want to come here. I am ashamed and upset that the comments from some residents on here make us sound as though we don't want people to visit and enjoy the forest, I hope that they realise that that is how they are coming across.

I am also a cyclist, something I only took up after moving to the forest, and I can say that I have seen more of the forest and spent more money and time in establishments and businesses across the whole of the forest because of taking up the sport. These sportives, which as correctly highlighted are not races, with no prizes being awarded, are a fantastic way to encourage people to take up cycling, and with statistics showing that for every £1 pound spent on cycling initiatives there is a return up to £4 in saved costs to the NHS and value to the economy, should we be not being doing more to promote them. We surely can not argue about the obvious benefit to local businesses and establishments this weekend, who accomodate, refresh and entertain the cyclists and their families.

Of course I appreciate that in a group of individuals you will always have instances where the minority might let down the majority, but I urge you to look at the quality of the organisation behind this event and recognise their efforts to minimise this. All riders are let off in small groups, at staggered intervals, and yes it may be onto the main road, but it has also been for the last few years, just a little further up. They are all given briefings before each group departs, urging them to respect the forest, its unique nature and the highway code. They are reminded en route and on feed stations, and UK Cycling Events have even produced a video reminding any of us taking part of our responsibilities as a cyclist to abid the highway code and be respectful. The routes are clearly published on their website so if you want to avoid any interactions with cyclists this weekend while out driving you can.

Unfortunately, last year the ride was made more chaotic by individuals who felt it was appropriate to remove the signage on the course in protest.

In terms of scaring and harming animals the verderers publish the number of animals involved in accidents or killed in the forest http://www.verderers
.org.uk/ and the breakdown shows no instances with cyclists but unfortunately 106 accidents with cars. If the fellow residents of the forest have animal safety truly at the heart of all of this then perhaps we should be putting our efforts into reducing that figure.

I'd also urge those on here who are not so keen on the event to try it, grab a bike and get out in the forest and enjoy it, you'd be very welcome at any events, as cyclists are an incredibly friendly group of people, and just as I did, you might appreciate an entirely different side to the Forest when you view it from a saddle.
I'm really disappointed to see some of the comments from residents of the forest on here. I moved to the forest three years ago, attracted by its beauty and the friendly nature of the place and the people which I had experienced on visits. Every time I turn off the motorway back into my village I feel incredibly lucky to be able to live in this special place. I love that other people want to come and enjoy the Forest, be it on foot, bike or car, and rather than seeing those visiting the forest as a nuisance, see them as a reminder that I live in a place special enough that people want to come here. I am ashamed and upset that the comments from some residents on here make us sound as though we don't want people to visit and enjoy the forest, I hope that they realise that that is how they are coming across. I am also a cyclist, something I only took up after moving to the forest, and I can say that I have seen more of the forest and spent more money and time in establishments and businesses across the whole of the forest because of taking up the sport. These sportives, which as correctly highlighted are not races, with no prizes being awarded, are a fantastic way to encourage people to take up cycling, and with statistics showing that for every £1 pound spent on cycling initiatives there is a return up to £4 in saved costs to the NHS and value to the economy, should we be not being doing more to promote them. We surely can not argue about the obvious benefit to local businesses and establishments this weekend, who accomodate, refresh and entertain the cyclists and their families. Of course I appreciate that in a group of individuals you will always have instances where the minority might let down the majority, but I urge you to look at the quality of the organisation behind this event and recognise their efforts to minimise this. All riders are let off in small groups, at staggered intervals, and yes it may be onto the main road, but it has also been for the last few years, just a little further up. They are all given briefings before each group departs, urging them to respect the forest, its unique nature and the highway code. They are reminded en route and on feed stations, and UK Cycling Events have even produced a video reminding any of us taking part of our responsibilities as a cyclist to abid the highway code and be respectful. The routes are clearly published on their website so if you want to avoid any interactions with cyclists this weekend while out driving you can. Unfortunately, last year the ride was made more chaotic by individuals who felt it was appropriate to remove the signage on the course in protest. In terms of scaring and harming animals the verderers publish the number of animals involved in accidents or killed in the forest http://www.verderers .org.uk/ and the breakdown shows no instances with cyclists but unfortunately 106 accidents with cars. If the fellow residents of the forest have animal safety truly at the heart of all of this then perhaps we should be putting our efforts into reducing that figure. I'd also urge those on here who are not so keen on the event to try it, grab a bike and get out in the forest and enjoy it, you'd be very welcome at any events, as cyclists are an incredibly friendly group of people, and just as I did, you might appreciate an entirely different side to the Forest when you view it from a saddle. lozza_lou
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2:05pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Brock_and_Roll wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Knickas wrote: Well I am a Forest Resident, have live here all my life and my family for generations before that, so that's my credentials. I can say first hand that they are a complete menace! Riding 4 or 5 abreast, right accross the road, comind downhill on a blind bend! There was nearly carnage! This happened several time in a 20 minut interaval. Not to mention having to break frequently for kids wobbling out into the middle of the road and coping with their absolute ignoring any pretance of the highway code! People live and work in the forest and shouldn't have to deal with these dangerous idiots who see the forest as a large playpark!
Ever thought that maybe when they're right across the road that it might be one group overtaking another? I doubt you complain if you saw 2 cars side by side and would instantly pass it off as one overtaking the other, also, if there is a downhill section with a blind bend then they have no choice but to come downhill on a blind bend, also, what's the problem with kids taking part? It's exercise, it keeps them fit and healthy, they're outside, or would you rather they become obese or exercise in an air-conditioned gym being pressured into buying stuff they don't need or trying to be like some asswho's on steroids? Also, no, you shouldn't have to deal with cyclists, you should learn to **** well SHARE the forest as it's there for everyone, not just local nimbys like you.
Still you have to giggle when you see large groups of "men" clad from head to toe in pink lycra bearing the names of obscure french insurance companies. Still, its the 21st century I we should respect people regardless of their race, creed or sexual preferences!
I wouldn't wear pink, that's for sure but they wear it for aerodynamic reasons as well as the fact that it reduces the chaffing you sometimes get when riding long distances.
[quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Knickas[/bold] wrote: Well I am a Forest Resident, have live here all my life and my family for generations before that, so that's my credentials. I can say first hand that they are a complete menace! Riding 4 or 5 abreast, right accross the road, comind downhill on a blind bend! There was nearly carnage! This happened several time in a 20 minut interaval. Not to mention having to break frequently for kids wobbling out into the middle of the road and coping with their absolute ignoring any pretance of the highway code! People live and work in the forest and shouldn't have to deal with these dangerous idiots who see the forest as a large playpark![/p][/quote]Ever thought that maybe when they're right across the road that it might be one group overtaking another? I doubt you complain if you saw 2 cars side by side and would instantly pass it off as one overtaking the other, also, if there is a downhill section with a blind bend then they have no choice but to come downhill on a blind bend, also, what's the problem with kids taking part? It's exercise, it keeps them fit and healthy, they're outside, or would you rather they become obese or exercise in an air-conditioned gym being pressured into buying stuff they don't need or trying to be like some asswho's on steroids? Also, no, you shouldn't have to deal with cyclists, you should learn to **** well SHARE the forest as it's there for everyone, not just local nimbys like you.[/p][/quote]Still you have to giggle when you see large groups of "men" clad from head to toe in pink lycra bearing the names of obscure french insurance companies. Still, its the 21st century I we should respect people regardless of their race, creed or sexual preferences![/p][/quote]I wouldn't wear pink, that's for sure but they wear it for aerodynamic reasons as well as the fact that it reduces the chaffing you sometimes get when riding long distances. Ginger_cyclist
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2:15pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Mike_D says...

Brock_and_Roll wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Knickas wrote: Well I am a Forest Resident, have live here all my life and my family for generations before that, so that's my credentials. I can say first hand that they are a complete menace! Riding 4 or 5 abreast, right accross the road, comind downhill on a blind bend! There was nearly carnage! This happened several time in a 20 minut interaval. Not to mention having to break frequently for kids wobbling out into the middle of the road and coping with their absolute ignoring any pretance of the highway code! People live and work in the forest and shouldn't have to deal with these dangerous idiots who see the forest as a large playpark!
Ever thought that maybe when they're right across the road that it might be one group overtaking another? I doubt you complain if you saw 2 cars side by side and would instantly pass it off as one overtaking the other, also, if there is a downhill section with a blind bend then they have no choice but to come downhill on a blind bend, also, what's the problem with kids taking part? It's exercise, it keeps them fit and healthy, they're outside, or would you rather they become obese or exercise in an air-conditioned gym being pressured into buying stuff they don't need or trying to be like some asswho's on steroids? Also, no, you shouldn't have to deal with cyclists, you should learn to **** well SHARE the forest as it's there for everyone, not just local nimbys like you.
Still you have to giggle when you see large groups of "men" clad from head to toe in pink lycra bearing the names of obscure french insurance companies. Still, its the 21st century I we should respect people regardless of their race, creed or sexual preferences!
Brock_and_Roll: "Still you have to giggle when you see large groups of "men" clad from head to toe in pink lycra bearing the names of obscure french insurance companies. Still, its the 21st century I we should respect people regardless of their race, creed or sexual preferences!"

So essentially your objection to leisure cycling comes down to homophobia? Glad we cleared that up.

Torchie1:"Have the Echo managed to find the only picture in existence of a couple of dozen cyclists taking up the whole road in contravention of the Highway Code? The participants are oblivious to the fact that something may come from the other direction or that someone may wish to overtake, and while they continue to behave like this they hand ammunition to those who oppose these events."

My point is that if traffic laws are being broken (and as far as I know, using the full width of a narrow unlined road isn't illegal) then that's a matter for the police, not a reason for new regulations. Illegal stuff is already illegal.

I'm pretty sure that they're not oblivious to things coming from the other direction because, well, that would be in front of them, in the direction in which their eyes are pointing. As for overtaking, most cyclists are as accommodating as they can be and drivers usually manage to draw attention to their presence one way or another. If you're in a hurry to get somewhere then roads like the one in the picture aren't a very good choice even if there isn't a cycling event taking place.
[quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Knickas[/bold] wrote: Well I am a Forest Resident, have live here all my life and my family for generations before that, so that's my credentials. I can say first hand that they are a complete menace! Riding 4 or 5 abreast, right accross the road, comind downhill on a blind bend! There was nearly carnage! This happened several time in a 20 minut interaval. Not to mention having to break frequently for kids wobbling out into the middle of the road and coping with their absolute ignoring any pretance of the highway code! People live and work in the forest and shouldn't have to deal with these dangerous idiots who see the forest as a large playpark![/p][/quote]Ever thought that maybe when they're right across the road that it might be one group overtaking another? I doubt you complain if you saw 2 cars side by side and would instantly pass it off as one overtaking the other, also, if there is a downhill section with a blind bend then they have no choice but to come downhill on a blind bend, also, what's the problem with kids taking part? It's exercise, it keeps them fit and healthy, they're outside, or would you rather they become obese or exercise in an air-conditioned gym being pressured into buying stuff they don't need or trying to be like some asswho's on steroids? Also, no, you shouldn't have to deal with cyclists, you should learn to **** well SHARE the forest as it's there for everyone, not just local nimbys like you.[/p][/quote]Still you have to giggle when you see large groups of "men" clad from head to toe in pink lycra bearing the names of obscure french insurance companies. Still, its the 21st century I we should respect people regardless of their race, creed or sexual preferences![/p][/quote]Brock_and_Roll: "Still you have to giggle when you see large groups of "men" clad from head to toe in pink lycra bearing the names of obscure french insurance companies. Still, its the 21st century I we should respect people regardless of their race, creed or sexual preferences!" So essentially your objection to leisure cycling comes down to homophobia? Glad we cleared that up. Torchie1:"Have the Echo managed to find the only picture in existence of a couple of dozen cyclists taking up the whole road in contravention of the Highway Code? The participants are oblivious to the fact that something may come from the other direction or that someone may wish to overtake, and while they continue to behave like this they hand ammunition to those who oppose these events." My point is that if traffic laws are being broken (and as far as I know, using the full width of a narrow unlined road isn't illegal) then that's a matter for the police, not a reason for new regulations. Illegal stuff is already illegal. I'm pretty sure that they're not oblivious to things coming from the other direction because, well, that would be in front of them, in the direction in which their eyes are pointing. As for overtaking, most cyclists are as accommodating as they can be and drivers usually manage to draw attention to their presence one way or another. If you're in a hurry to get somewhere then roads like the one in the picture aren't a very good choice even if there isn't a cycling event taking place. Mike_D
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2:18pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Brock_and_Roll wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Brock_and_Roll wrote: I think the problem for us locals is not traditional "leisure cycling" that has been going on in the forest for a 100 years, but a spread of what I would call an "urban attitude" amongst cyclists. We all know that in London for example, cyclists are competitng for very limited space with cars, trucks, buses etc and this often necessitate a very assertive attitude just to keep themselves alive - this is understandable. However, this seems to have spread to leisure cycling and what with the increased speeds of road bikes, you now have a situation where you feel that groups of cyclists almost enjoy their power to hold back motorists by riding in long groups or >2 abreast. Then add to this some poor old buffer in a fluroscent jacked like there was in Burley viallage last sunday morning trying (and failing) to control traffic so that speeding cylists could zoom straight through the Bransgore road junction - then you imagine why drivers are starting to feel that there is one rule for one.... Anyway, this weekend will be like a bank holiday for local forest residents - might as well stay at home becasue there is no point taking the car out!
Try cycling in the city for a bit, you'll soon learn why cyclists are becoming more assertive, also, cyclists have as much right to be on the road as a car.
Thats exactly my point! You HAVE to ride like that in the city to survive - but its not like that down in the New Forest as there is more room and all road users are on the whole far more polite and considerate.

I for one absolutely hate driving in the city and could not even imagine cycling there - things that we regard as common courtesy down here are regardless as a "sign of weakness" in London and are exploited to the max!
Exactly but because of the need to ride like that in the city, for some it becomes a force of habit no matter where they ride, thankfully, I know that the countryside is generally an easier place to cycle (though you still get morons racing round in their cars) and it's nice, I mean, last time I rode to Farley's mount, me and my friend pulled over up a dropped curb several times to let tractors and HGV's past, one point we took primary on a road to discourage morons from overtaking with an oncoming tractor staring them in the face (along with essential long queue behind the tractor) and when it passed, we moved back to a secondary position to allow traffic to overtake and had no problems, on a few of the country lanes around Winchester we would be doing 30 down one side of a dip and we would get caught out by an oncoming car because it just wasn't visible for one reason or another but we still did our best to let the cars past but to be honest, cycling in Southampton can be just as bad as in London what with truck drivers giving less than a foot when overtaking or trying to overtake at a red light and then blaming the cyclist when they almost kill the cyclist or people not looking before pulling out or cutting us up.
[quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: I think the problem for us locals is not traditional "leisure cycling" that has been going on in the forest for a 100 years, but a spread of what I would call an "urban attitude" amongst cyclists. We all know that in London for example, cyclists are competitng for very limited space with cars, trucks, buses etc and this often necessitate a very assertive attitude just to keep themselves alive - this is understandable. However, this seems to have spread to leisure cycling and what with the increased speeds of road bikes, you now have a situation where you feel that groups of cyclists almost enjoy their power to hold back motorists by riding in long groups or >2 abreast. Then add to this some poor old buffer in a fluroscent jacked like there was in Burley viallage last sunday morning trying (and failing) to control traffic so that speeding cylists could zoom straight through the Bransgore road junction - then you imagine why drivers are starting to feel that there is one rule for one.... Anyway, this weekend will be like a bank holiday for local forest residents - might as well stay at home becasue there is no point taking the car out![/p][/quote]Try cycling in the city for a bit, you'll soon learn why cyclists are becoming more assertive, also, cyclists have as much right to be on the road as a car.[/p][/quote]Thats exactly my point! You HAVE to ride like that in the city to survive - but its not like that down in the New Forest as there is more room and all road users are on the whole far more polite and considerate. I for one absolutely hate driving in the city and could not even imagine cycling there - things that we regard as common courtesy down here are regardless as a "sign of weakness" in London and are exploited to the max![/p][/quote]Exactly but because of the need to ride like that in the city, for some it becomes a force of habit no matter where they ride, thankfully, I know that the countryside is generally an easier place to cycle (though you still get morons racing round in their cars) and it's nice, I mean, last time I rode to Farley's mount, me and my friend pulled over up a dropped curb several times to let tractors and HGV's past, one point we took primary on a road to discourage morons from overtaking with an oncoming tractor staring them in the face (along with essential long queue behind the tractor) and when it passed, we moved back to a secondary position to allow traffic to overtake and had no problems, on a few of the country lanes around Winchester we would be doing 30 down one side of a dip and we would get caught out by an oncoming car because it just wasn't visible for one reason or another but we still did our best to let the cars past but to be honest, cycling in Southampton can be just as bad as in London what with truck drivers giving less than a foot when overtaking or trying to overtake at a red light and then blaming the cyclist when they almost kill the cyclist or people not looking before pulling out or cutting us up. Ginger_cyclist
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2:31pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Torchie1 says...

Mike_D wrote:
Brock_and_Roll wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Knickas wrote: Well I am a Forest Resident, have live here all my life and my family for generations before that, so that's my credentials. I can say first hand that they are a complete menace! Riding 4 or 5 abreast, right accross the road, comind downhill on a blind bend! There was nearly carnage! This happened several time in a 20 minut interaval. Not to mention having to break frequently for kids wobbling out into the middle of the road and coping with their absolute ignoring any pretance of the highway code! People live and work in the forest and shouldn't have to deal with these dangerous idiots who see the forest as a large playpark!
Ever thought that maybe when they're right across the road that it might be one group overtaking another? I doubt you complain if you saw 2 cars side by side and would instantly pass it off as one overtaking the other, also, if there is a downhill section with a blind bend then they have no choice but to come downhill on a blind bend, also, what's the problem with kids taking part? It's exercise, it keeps them fit and healthy, they're outside, or would you rather they become obese or exercise in an air-conditioned gym being pressured into buying stuff they don't need or trying to be like some asswho's on steroids? Also, no, you shouldn't have to deal with cyclists, you should learn to **** well SHARE the forest as it's there for everyone, not just local nimbys like you.
Still you have to giggle when you see large groups of "men" clad from head to toe in pink lycra bearing the names of obscure french insurance companies. Still, its the 21st century I we should respect people regardless of their race, creed or sexual preferences!
Brock_and_Roll: "Still you have to giggle when you see large groups of "men" clad from head to toe in pink lycra bearing the names of obscure french insurance companies. Still, its the 21st century I we should respect people regardless of their race, creed or sexual preferences!"

So essentially your objection to leisure cycling comes down to homophobia? Glad we cleared that up.

Torchie1:"Have the Echo managed to find the only picture in existence of a couple of dozen cyclists taking up the whole road in contravention of the Highway Code? The participants are oblivious to the fact that something may come from the other direction or that someone may wish to overtake, and while they continue to behave like this they hand ammunition to those who oppose these events."

My point is that if traffic laws are being broken (and as far as I know, using the full width of a narrow unlined road isn't illegal) then that's a matter for the police, not a reason for new regulations. Illegal stuff is already illegal.

I'm pretty sure that they're not oblivious to things coming from the other direction because, well, that would be in front of them, in the direction in which their eyes are pointing. As for overtaking, most cyclists are as accommodating as they can be and drivers usually manage to draw attention to their presence one way or another. If you're in a hurry to get somewhere then roads like the one in the picture aren't a very good choice even if there isn't a cycling event taking place.
All very interesting but if you happen to own a property on the road in the picture, your choices are a bit limited whether you're in a hurry or not. As for overtaking I must have had the misfortune to get stuck behind groups of bicycles who simply won't make it easy to to pass and when you see them checking over their shoulders and smiling at the queue of traffic they are building up, it's just another round of ammunition. Oddly enough they don't share the joke when the 'training 'ride' comes up behind the tractor driver who wants to bumble along at his own speed which is below the speed of the group caught behind him.
[quote][p][bold]Mike_D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Knickas[/bold] wrote: Well I am a Forest Resident, have live here all my life and my family for generations before that, so that's my credentials. I can say first hand that they are a complete menace! Riding 4 or 5 abreast, right accross the road, comind downhill on a blind bend! There was nearly carnage! This happened several time in a 20 minut interaval. Not to mention having to break frequently for kids wobbling out into the middle of the road and coping with their absolute ignoring any pretance of the highway code! People live and work in the forest and shouldn't have to deal with these dangerous idiots who see the forest as a large playpark![/p][/quote]Ever thought that maybe when they're right across the road that it might be one group overtaking another? I doubt you complain if you saw 2 cars side by side and would instantly pass it off as one overtaking the other, also, if there is a downhill section with a blind bend then they have no choice but to come downhill on a blind bend, also, what's the problem with kids taking part? It's exercise, it keeps them fit and healthy, they're outside, or would you rather they become obese or exercise in an air-conditioned gym being pressured into buying stuff they don't need or trying to be like some asswho's on steroids? Also, no, you shouldn't have to deal with cyclists, you should learn to **** well SHARE the forest as it's there for everyone, not just local nimbys like you.[/p][/quote]Still you have to giggle when you see large groups of "men" clad from head to toe in pink lycra bearing the names of obscure french insurance companies. Still, its the 21st century I we should respect people regardless of their race, creed or sexual preferences![/p][/quote]Brock_and_Roll: "Still you have to giggle when you see large groups of "men" clad from head to toe in pink lycra bearing the names of obscure french insurance companies. Still, its the 21st century I we should respect people regardless of their race, creed or sexual preferences!" So essentially your objection to leisure cycling comes down to homophobia? Glad we cleared that up. Torchie1:"Have the Echo managed to find the only picture in existence of a couple of dozen cyclists taking up the whole road in contravention of the Highway Code? The participants are oblivious to the fact that something may come from the other direction or that someone may wish to overtake, and while they continue to behave like this they hand ammunition to those who oppose these events." My point is that if traffic laws are being broken (and as far as I know, using the full width of a narrow unlined road isn't illegal) then that's a matter for the police, not a reason for new regulations. Illegal stuff is already illegal. I'm pretty sure that they're not oblivious to things coming from the other direction because, well, that would be in front of them, in the direction in which their eyes are pointing. As for overtaking, most cyclists are as accommodating as they can be and drivers usually manage to draw attention to their presence one way or another. If you're in a hurry to get somewhere then roads like the one in the picture aren't a very good choice even if there isn't a cycling event taking place.[/p][/quote]All very interesting but if you happen to own a property on the road in the picture, your choices are a bit limited whether you're in a hurry or not. As for overtaking I must have had the misfortune to get stuck behind groups of bicycles who simply won't make it easy to to pass and when you see them checking over their shoulders and smiling at the queue of traffic they are building up, it's just another round of ammunition. Oddly enough they don't share the joke when the 'training 'ride' comes up behind the tractor driver who wants to bumble along at his own speed which is below the speed of the group caught behind him. Torchie1
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2:33pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Torchie1 says...

MGBR wrote:
Knickas wrote:
Well I am a Forest Resident, have live here all my life and my family for generations before that, so that's my credentials. I can say first hand that they are a complete menace! Riding 4 or 5 abreast, right accross the road, comind downhill on a blind bend! There was nearly carnage! This happened several time in a 20 minut interaval. Not to mention having to break frequently for kids wobbling out into the middle of the road and coping with their absolute ignoring any pretance of the highway code! People live and work in the forest and shouldn't have to deal with these dangerous idiots who see the forest as a large playpark!
Obviously you have photographic evidence of this "menace". How does that rule work again - no photo or it isn't true?
Is the photo at the beginning of the story worth casting an eye over?
[quote][p][bold]MGBR[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Knickas[/bold] wrote: Well I am a Forest Resident, have live here all my life and my family for generations before that, so that's my credentials. I can say first hand that they are a complete menace! Riding 4 or 5 abreast, right accross the road, comind downhill on a blind bend! There was nearly carnage! This happened several time in a 20 minut interaval. Not to mention having to break frequently for kids wobbling out into the middle of the road and coping with their absolute ignoring any pretance of the highway code! People live and work in the forest and shouldn't have to deal with these dangerous idiots who see the forest as a large playpark![/p][/quote]Obviously you have photographic evidence of this "menace". How does that rule work again - no photo or it isn't true?[/p][/quote]Is the photo at the beginning of the story worth casting an eye over? Torchie1
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2:45pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Mike_D wrote:
Brock_and_Roll wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Knickas wrote: Well I am a Forest Resident, have live here all my life and my family for generations before that, so that's my credentials. I can say first hand that they are a complete menace! Riding 4 or 5 abreast, right accross the road, comind downhill on a blind bend! There was nearly carnage! This happened several time in a 20 minut interaval. Not to mention having to break frequently for kids wobbling out into the middle of the road and coping with their absolute ignoring any pretance of the highway code! People live and work in the forest and shouldn't have to deal with these dangerous idiots who see the forest as a large playpark!
Ever thought that maybe when they're right across the road that it might be one group overtaking another? I doubt you complain if you saw 2 cars side by side and would instantly pass it off as one overtaking the other, also, if there is a downhill section with a blind bend then they have no choice but to come downhill on a blind bend, also, what's the problem with kids taking part? It's exercise, it keeps them fit and healthy, they're outside, or would you rather they become obese or exercise in an air-conditioned gym being pressured into buying stuff they don't need or trying to be like some asswho's on steroids? Also, no, you shouldn't have to deal with cyclists, you should learn to **** well SHARE the forest as it's there for everyone, not just local nimbys like you.
Still you have to giggle when you see large groups of "men" clad from head to toe in pink lycra bearing the names of obscure french insurance companies. Still, its the 21st century I we should respect people regardless of their race, creed or sexual preferences!
Brock_and_Roll: "Still you have to giggle when you see large groups of "men" clad from head to toe in pink lycra bearing the names of obscure french insurance companies. Still, its the 21st century I we should respect people regardless of their race, creed or sexual preferences!"

So essentially your objection to leisure cycling comes down to homophobia? Glad we cleared that up.

Torchie1:"Have the Echo managed to find the only picture in existence of a couple of dozen cyclists taking up the whole road in contravention of the Highway Code? The participants are oblivious to the fact that something may come from the other direction or that someone may wish to overtake, and while they continue to behave like this they hand ammunition to those who oppose these events."

My point is that if traffic laws are being broken (and as far as I know, using the full width of a narrow unlined road isn't illegal) then that's a matter for the police, not a reason for new regulations. Illegal stuff is already illegal.

I'm pretty sure that they're not oblivious to things coming from the other direction because, well, that would be in front of them, in the direction in which their eyes are pointing. As for overtaking, most cyclists are as accommodating as they can be and drivers usually manage to draw attention to their presence one way or another. If you're in a hurry to get somewhere then roads like the one in the picture aren't a very good choice even if there isn't a cycling event taking place.
All very interesting but if you happen to own a property on the road in the picture, your choices are a bit limited whether you're in a hurry or not. As for overtaking I must have had the misfortune to get stuck behind groups of bicycles who simply won't make it easy to to pass and when you see them checking over their shoulders and smiling at the queue of traffic they are building up, it's just another round of ammunition. Oddly enough they don't share the joke when the 'training 'ride' comes up behind the tractor driver who wants to bumble along at his own speed which is below the speed of the group caught behind him.
And if you're still behind them when they come behind the tractor, it obviously means that overtaking them would have been totally pointless anyway, also, if it's an unmarked, narrow road, they don't have to stay left of the middle and even if they were to try and pull into a passing point on a narrow road, they wouldn't be able to since most are barely big enough for a car, let alone a whole cycling club, also, most club riders look back and then shout ahead about a car being there, the shouting is what you think is smiling since you can't hear them in your soundproofed steel box.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike_D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Knickas[/bold] wrote: Well I am a Forest Resident, have live here all my life and my family for generations before that, so that's my credentials. I can say first hand that they are a complete menace! Riding 4 or 5 abreast, right accross the road, comind downhill on a blind bend! There was nearly carnage! This happened several time in a 20 minut interaval. Not to mention having to break frequently for kids wobbling out into the middle of the road and coping with their absolute ignoring any pretance of the highway code! People live and work in the forest and shouldn't have to deal with these dangerous idiots who see the forest as a large playpark![/p][/quote]Ever thought that maybe when they're right across the road that it might be one group overtaking another? I doubt you complain if you saw 2 cars side by side and would instantly pass it off as one overtaking the other, also, if there is a downhill section with a blind bend then they have no choice but to come downhill on a blind bend, also, what's the problem with kids taking part? It's exercise, it keeps them fit and healthy, they're outside, or would you rather they become obese or exercise in an air-conditioned gym being pressured into buying stuff they don't need or trying to be like some asswho's on steroids? Also, no, you shouldn't have to deal with cyclists, you should learn to **** well SHARE the forest as it's there for everyone, not just local nimbys like you.[/p][/quote]Still you have to giggle when you see large groups of "men" clad from head to toe in pink lycra bearing the names of obscure french insurance companies. Still, its the 21st century I we should respect people regardless of their race, creed or sexual preferences![/p][/quote]Brock_and_Roll: "Still you have to giggle when you see large groups of "men" clad from head to toe in pink lycra bearing the names of obscure french insurance companies. Still, its the 21st century I we should respect people regardless of their race, creed or sexual preferences!" So essentially your objection to leisure cycling comes down to homophobia? Glad we cleared that up. Torchie1:"Have the Echo managed to find the only picture in existence of a couple of dozen cyclists taking up the whole road in contravention of the Highway Code? The participants are oblivious to the fact that something may come from the other direction or that someone may wish to overtake, and while they continue to behave like this they hand ammunition to those who oppose these events." My point is that if traffic laws are being broken (and as far as I know, using the full width of a narrow unlined road isn't illegal) then that's a matter for the police, not a reason for new regulations. Illegal stuff is already illegal. I'm pretty sure that they're not oblivious to things coming from the other direction because, well, that would be in front of them, in the direction in which their eyes are pointing. As for overtaking, most cyclists are as accommodating as they can be and drivers usually manage to draw attention to their presence one way or another. If you're in a hurry to get somewhere then roads like the one in the picture aren't a very good choice even if there isn't a cycling event taking place.[/p][/quote]All very interesting but if you happen to own a property on the road in the picture, your choices are a bit limited whether you're in a hurry or not. As for overtaking I must have had the misfortune to get stuck behind groups of bicycles who simply won't make it easy to to pass and when you see them checking over their shoulders and smiling at the queue of traffic they are building up, it's just another round of ammunition. Oddly enough they don't share the joke when the 'training 'ride' comes up behind the tractor driver who wants to bumble along at his own speed which is below the speed of the group caught behind him.[/p][/quote]And if you're still behind them when they come behind the tractor, it obviously means that overtaking them would have been totally pointless anyway, also, if it's an unmarked, narrow road, they don't have to stay left of the middle and even if they were to try and pull into a passing point on a narrow road, they wouldn't be able to since most are barely big enough for a car, let alone a whole cycling club, also, most club riders look back and then shout ahead about a car being there, the shouting is what you think is smiling since you can't hear them in your soundproofed steel box. Ginger_cyclist
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2:48pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Torchie1 wrote:
MGBR wrote:
Knickas wrote:
Well I am a Forest Resident, have live here all my life and my family for generations before that, so that's my credentials. I can say first hand that they are a complete menace! Riding 4 or 5 abreast, right accross the road, comind downhill on a blind bend! There was nearly carnage! This happened several time in a 20 minut interaval. Not to mention having to break frequently for kids wobbling out into the middle of the road and coping with their absolute ignoring any pretance of the highway code! People live and work in the forest and shouldn't have to deal with these dangerous idiots who see the forest as a large playpark!
Obviously you have photographic evidence of this "menace". How does that rule work again - no photo or it isn't true?
Is the photo at the beginning of the story worth casting an eye over?
No it's not as they aren't actually breaking the law or flouting the highway code in that picture, if they were then there would be markings along the middle of the road to divide the road in 2, also it's a narrow country road which generally are unmarked, would you complain if it was a tractor doing the same there instead if you came up behind it? I doubt it.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGBR[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Knickas[/bold] wrote: Well I am a Forest Resident, have live here all my life and my family for generations before that, so that's my credentials. I can say first hand that they are a complete menace! Riding 4 or 5 abreast, right accross the road, comind downhill on a blind bend! There was nearly carnage! This happened several time in a 20 minut interaval. Not to mention having to break frequently for kids wobbling out into the middle of the road and coping with their absolute ignoring any pretance of the highway code! People live and work in the forest and shouldn't have to deal with these dangerous idiots who see the forest as a large playpark![/p][/quote]Obviously you have photographic evidence of this "menace". How does that rule work again - no photo or it isn't true?[/p][/quote]Is the photo at the beginning of the story worth casting an eye over?[/p][/quote]No it's not as they aren't actually breaking the law or flouting the highway code in that picture, if they were then there would be markings along the middle of the road to divide the road in 2, also it's a narrow country road which generally are unmarked, would you complain if it was a tractor doing the same there instead if you came up behind it? I doubt it. Ginger_cyclist
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3:26pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Mike_D says...

"All very interesting but if you happen to own a property on the road in the picture, your choices are a bit limited whether you're in a hurry or not."

Come on then, how often have you been delayed by large groups of cyclists? What sort of delay are we talking about? How much time has it added to your journeys over the last year? What impact has that actually had on your ability to be places you need to be at a weekend?

"As for overtaking I must have had the misfortune to get stuck behind groups of bicycles who simply won't make it easy to to pass and when you see them checking over their shoulders and smiling at the queue of traffic they are building up, it's just another round of ammunition."

I doubt all cyclists are perfect, and there are certainly a lot of fairly inexperienced ones -- it's a growing sport, not everyone knows what they're doing any more than all drivers are 100% safe and competent. There are very few actually malicious ones, though, just as there are very few malicious drivers -- the ones there are do tend to get noticed, though.

Often, of course, the group is intentionally making itself not excessively easy to pass because it's not a safe place to pass. The front of the group has a better view of the road ahead than a car behind it.
"All very interesting but if you happen to own a property on the road in the picture, your choices are a bit limited whether you're in a hurry or not." Come on then, how often have you been delayed by large groups of cyclists? What sort of delay are we talking about? How much time has it added to your journeys over the last year? What impact has that actually had on your ability to be places you need to be at a weekend? "As for overtaking I must have had the misfortune to get stuck behind groups of bicycles who simply won't make it easy to to pass and when you see them checking over their shoulders and smiling at the queue of traffic they are building up, it's just another round of ammunition." I doubt all cyclists are perfect, and there are certainly a lot of fairly inexperienced ones -- it's a growing sport, not everyone knows what they're doing any more than all drivers are 100% safe and competent. There are very few actually malicious ones, though, just as there are very few malicious drivers -- the ones there are do tend to get noticed, though. Often, of course, the group is intentionally making itself not excessively easy to pass because it's not a safe place to pass. The front of the group has a better view of the road ahead than a car behind it. Mike_D
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5:06pm Tue 9 Apr 13

ScaffoldPlank says...

Mike_D wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Sportives and other such cycling events already ARE organised and regulated and they are also LICENCED by British cycling, the only rides that aren't regulated or licenced as such are club rides which generally consist of 50 riders or less, also, I don't think 80Kg of rider and bike will do anything to a new forest pony, a car or truck on the other hand... Then there's the claim that the cyclists are "speeding" this is simply not true, partly due to a loophole in the law that means speed limits (unless local bylaws state they apply to ALL vehicles) don't apply to cyclists and partly because most of the forest roads have a limit of 40 or more, a speed most cyclists can't achieve without going downhill.
"Dr Lewis’s letter accuses some of the riders of flouting the Highway Code and also cites two near misses involving cyclists and Forest animals."

Oh for heaven's sake. Number of Forest animals killed by cyclists ever = none. Number of Forest animals killed by motor vehicles = about 65 a year. Which of these is the bigger problem? Never mind the fact that in a collision between a cyclist and a pony or cow, it's the cyclist that'll come off worst.

And if cyclists are breaking traffic laws, then that's surely something for the police to deal with. Although they might want to start with all the drivers flouting the 40mph speed limits first.
Yes, but don't let facts or common sense get in the way of a populist soundbite. I think the Tories are worried that the stupid and intolerant element of their support is going to be swept up by UKIP, so they are upping their daft belligerence.
[quote][p][bold]Mike_D[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Sportives and other such cycling events already ARE organised and regulated and they are also LICENCED by British cycling, the only rides that aren't regulated or licenced as such are club rides which generally consist of 50 riders or less, also, I don't think 80Kg of rider and bike will do anything to a new forest pony, a car or truck on the other hand... Then there's the claim that the cyclists are "speeding" this is simply not true, partly due to a loophole in the law that means speed limits (unless local bylaws state they apply to ALL vehicles) don't apply to cyclists and partly because most of the forest roads have a limit of 40 or more, a speed most cyclists can't achieve without going downhill.[/p][/quote]"Dr Lewis’s letter accuses some of the riders of flouting the Highway Code and also cites two near misses involving cyclists and Forest animals." Oh for heaven's sake. Number of Forest animals killed by cyclists ever = none. Number of Forest animals killed by motor vehicles = about 65 a year. Which of these is the bigger problem? Never mind the fact that in a collision between a cyclist and a pony or cow, it's the cyclist that'll come off worst. And if cyclists are breaking traffic laws, then that's surely something for the police to deal with. Although they might want to start with all the drivers flouting the 40mph speed limits first.[/p][/quote]Yes, but don't let facts or common sense get in the way of a populist soundbite. I think the Tories are worried that the stupid and intolerant element of their support is going to be swept up by UKIP, so they are upping their daft belligerence. ScaffoldPlank
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6:01pm Tue 9 Apr 13

full_chat says...

Interesting reading the comments...I'm sure the residents would be even worse if it was 4000 football supporters descending on 'their' Forest, eating, drinking, fighting, and being sick rather than some cyclists who are enjoying their passion, keeping themselves fit with the only noise they make is chatting amongst themselves or their laboured breathing. And of course making the most of the stunning countryside

The cyclists also bring in business to the area - lots of families will make a weekend of it. One person may be off on the ride whilst their partner (and children if they have any) are clogging up the local towns and parting with their money into the hands of the local business owners. Once they've done this, they may return home or even to their local accommodation, run by locals, and part with yet more money. Seems the locals do quite well out of it...Could always ban all tourists from the area? No tourists would mean no business for the locals and, dare I say it, house prices could possibly tumble. But at least they'd have quiet roads to drive on

Oh, and let's not forget about the Showmen who descend on the Forest with their horses and cause just as much traffic chaos...

Then there are the local residents who go around taking down signs for the cycle routes. This costs money, and possibly lives. There were some accidents last year on parts of the course where signs warning of hazards had been removed by locals - a young lad ended up with quite severe injuries and could've been worse. The local residents could "have blood on their hands" if something were to happen...
Interesting reading the comments...I'm sure the residents would be even worse if it was 4000 football supporters descending on 'their' Forest, eating, drinking, fighting, and being sick rather than some cyclists who are enjoying their passion, keeping themselves fit with the only noise they make is chatting amongst themselves or their laboured breathing. And of course making the most of the stunning countryside The cyclists also bring in business to the area - lots of families will make a weekend of it. One person may be off on the ride whilst their partner (and children if they have any) are clogging up the local towns and parting with their money into the hands of the local business owners. Once they've done this, they may return home or even to their local accommodation, run by locals, and part with yet more money. Seems the locals do quite well out of it...Could always ban all tourists from the area? No tourists would mean no business for the locals and, dare I say it, house prices could possibly tumble. But at least they'd have quiet roads to drive on Oh, and let's not forget about the Showmen who descend on the Forest with their horses and cause just as much traffic chaos... Then there are the local residents who go around taking down signs for the cycle routes. This costs money, and possibly lives. There were some accidents last year on parts of the course where signs warning of hazards had been removed by locals - a young lad ended up with quite severe injuries and could've been worse. The local residents could "have blood on their hands" if something were to happen... full_chat
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8:13pm Tue 9 Apr 13

geoff51 says...

The thought over that many ill mannered, self congratulating, law braking idiots in tight lycra make me feel physically sick-Pass the chunder bucket!
Seriously if there were that many say horse riders collecting in one place and blocking the roads would there not be a gaggle of antis and do gooders up in arms claiming they were killing fluffy foxies?
I have no problem with cyclists in the forest providing their numbers are limited and they keep to the marked cycle routes and not damage the delicate eco system of the area.
This many however is dangerous on narrow forest roads and they must obey the laws and bylaws of the NPA.
The thought over that many ill mannered, self congratulating, law braking idiots in tight lycra make me feel physically sick-Pass the chunder bucket! Seriously if there were that many say horse riders collecting in one place and blocking the roads would there not be a gaggle of antis and do gooders up in arms claiming they were killing fluffy foxies? I have no problem with cyclists in the forest providing their numbers are limited and they keep to the marked cycle routes and not damage the delicate eco system of the area. This many however is dangerous on narrow forest roads and they must obey the laws and bylaws of the NPA. geoff51
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8:34pm Tue 9 Apr 13

Forest Resident says...

The suggestion that cyclists are a hazard and pose a danger to other road users is simply laughable, any competent driver (safely enclosed in their vehicle) would have no problem passing such cyclists by giving them the required space (section 163 Highway Code), then again I'm sure to some inconsiderate, selfish drivers those precious seconds spent waiting to safely overtake a vulnerable road user is far more important than anything else.
The suggestion that cyclists are a hazard and pose a danger to other road users is simply laughable, any competent driver (safely enclosed in their vehicle) would have no problem passing such cyclists by giving them the required space (section 163 Highway Code), then again I'm sure to some inconsiderate, selfish drivers those precious seconds spent waiting to safely overtake a vulnerable road user is far more important than anything else. Forest Resident
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10:40am Wed 10 Apr 13

one in a million says...

I cannot believe the amount of animosity directed by certain posters towards cyclists!

Would the same be said if this event was a half marathon or similar running occasion?

I am afraid the forest is there for all to use and enjoy and car drivers do not have the devine right to dictate who can and who cannot use it.
I cannot believe the amount of animosity directed by certain posters towards cyclists! Would the same be said if this event was a half marathon or similar running occasion? I am afraid the forest is there for all to use and enjoy and car drivers do not have the devine right to dictate who can and who cannot use it. one in a million
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11:37am Wed 10 Apr 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

geoff51 wrote:
The thought over that many ill mannered, self congratulating, law braking idiots in tight lycra make me feel physically sick-Pass the chunder bucket!
Seriously if there were that many say horse riders collecting in one place and blocking the roads would there not be a gaggle of antis and do gooders up in arms claiming they were killing fluffy foxies?
I have no problem with cyclists in the forest providing their numbers are limited and they keep to the marked cycle routes and not damage the delicate eco system of the area.
This many however is dangerous on narrow forest roads and they must obey the laws and bylaws of the NPA.
Most cyclists are actually polite if you don't drive like a moron around them, most don't break laws either, so what if they wear lycra? They do it for a reason which is to avoid injuries caused by other clothes rubbing, to keep cool and for aerodynamics, would you be such a cretin towards them if they were runners in a marathon? Why limit the numbers? That's like limiting the number of people who walk in the forest, they don't have to keep to marked cycle routes, they can go along any road or off-road trail that they want so long as it's not marked as a footpath and how does cycling damage the eco system? By breathing? Better ban walkers and runners and kill all the wildlife then if that's the case, seriously, the most a cyclist might have to do, is pull over and go water the plants if there isn't a toilet nearby, drip sweat on the ground, or if they get hurt, drip blood on the ground, non of which are bad for the environment.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: The thought over that many ill mannered, self congratulating, law braking idiots in tight lycra make me feel physically sick-Pass the chunder bucket! Seriously if there were that many say horse riders collecting in one place and blocking the roads would there not be a gaggle of antis and do gooders up in arms claiming they were killing fluffy foxies? I have no problem with cyclists in the forest providing their numbers are limited and they keep to the marked cycle routes and not damage the delicate eco system of the area. This many however is dangerous on narrow forest roads and they must obey the laws and bylaws of the NPA.[/p][/quote]Most cyclists are actually polite if you don't drive like a moron around them, most don't break laws either, so what if they wear lycra? They do it for a reason which is to avoid injuries caused by other clothes rubbing, to keep cool and for aerodynamics, would you be such a cretin towards them if they were runners in a marathon? Why limit the numbers? That's like limiting the number of people who walk in the forest, they don't have to keep to marked cycle routes, they can go along any road or off-road trail that they want so long as it's not marked as a footpath and how does cycling damage the eco system? By breathing? Better ban walkers and runners and kill all the wildlife then if that's the case, seriously, the most a cyclist might have to do, is pull over and go water the plants if there isn't a toilet nearby, drip sweat on the ground, or if they get hurt, drip blood on the ground, non of which are bad for the environment. Ginger_cyclist
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12:40pm Wed 10 Apr 13

MGBR says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
The thought over that many ill mannered, self congratulating, law braking idiots in tight lycra make me feel physically sick-Pass the chunder bucket!
Seriously if there were that many say horse riders collecting in one place and blocking the roads would there not be a gaggle of antis and do gooders up in arms claiming they were killing fluffy foxies?
I have no problem with cyclists in the forest providing their numbers are limited and they keep to the marked cycle routes and not damage the delicate eco system of the area.
This many however is dangerous on narrow forest roads and they must obey the laws and bylaws of the NPA.
Most cyclists are actually polite if you don't drive like a moron around them, most don't break laws either, so what if they wear lycra? They do it for a reason which is to avoid injuries caused by other clothes rubbing, to keep cool and for aerodynamics, would you be such a cretin towards them if they were runners in a marathon? Why limit the numbers? That's like limiting the number of people who walk in the forest, they don't have to keep to marked cycle routes, they can go along any road or off-road trail that they want so long as it's not marked as a footpath and how does cycling damage the eco system? By breathing? Better ban walkers and runners and kill all the wildlife then if that's the case, seriously, the most a cyclist might have to do, is pull over and go water the plants if there isn't a toilet nearby, drip sweat on the ground, or if they get hurt, drip blood on the ground, non of which are bad for the environment.
@geoff51 - that quite literally is the biggest load of horse-sh$t i've hear in this whole post, how by riding on the road under your own body power is that endangering the local ecosystem, and why should cyclists HAVE to use a cycle path...grow up and read the Highway Code!! For one weekend be grateful that people are visiting the area and enjoying what is rightfully the public's to enjoy...of course if you own the road then this is a totally different matter entirely.

Support it and enjoy it, it's going to happen it's been publicised and published to the New Forest area - so why not get involved
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: The thought over that many ill mannered, self congratulating, law braking idiots in tight lycra make me feel physically sick-Pass the chunder bucket! Seriously if there were that many say horse riders collecting in one place and blocking the roads would there not be a gaggle of antis and do gooders up in arms claiming they were killing fluffy foxies? I have no problem with cyclists in the forest providing their numbers are limited and they keep to the marked cycle routes and not damage the delicate eco system of the area. This many however is dangerous on narrow forest roads and they must obey the laws and bylaws of the NPA.[/p][/quote]Most cyclists are actually polite if you don't drive like a moron around them, most don't break laws either, so what if they wear lycra? They do it for a reason which is to avoid injuries caused by other clothes rubbing, to keep cool and for aerodynamics, would you be such a cretin towards them if they were runners in a marathon? Why limit the numbers? That's like limiting the number of people who walk in the forest, they don't have to keep to marked cycle routes, they can go along any road or off-road trail that they want so long as it's not marked as a footpath and how does cycling damage the eco system? By breathing? Better ban walkers and runners and kill all the wildlife then if that's the case, seriously, the most a cyclist might have to do, is pull over and go water the plants if there isn't a toilet nearby, drip sweat on the ground, or if they get hurt, drip blood on the ground, non of which are bad for the environment.[/p][/quote]@geoff51 - that quite literally is the biggest load of horse-sh$t i've hear in this whole post, how by riding on the road under your own body power is that endangering the local ecosystem, and why should cyclists HAVE to use a cycle path...grow up and read the Highway Code!! For one weekend be grateful that people are visiting the area and enjoying what is rightfully the public's to enjoy...of course if you own the road then this is a totally different matter entirely. Support it and enjoy it, it's going to happen it's been publicised and published to the New Forest area - so why not get involved MGBR
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3:59pm Wed 10 Apr 13

geoff51 says...

I would rather get involved in Foxhunting as that is a centuries old tradition in the forest which damage the area far less than any cycle tyre and the people who take part have far mor respect for the area.
With regard to cycling in the forest you will find that you are restricted by the NPA to ride only on designated cycle routes, but as usual you ignore the rules as you do when on the road.
I would rather get involved in Foxhunting as that is a centuries old tradition in the forest which damage the area far less than any cycle tyre and the people who take part have far mor respect for the area. With regard to cycling in the forest you will find that you are restricted by the NPA to ride only on designated cycle routes, but as usual you ignore the rules as you do when on the road. geoff51
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4:04pm Wed 10 Apr 13

geoff51 says...

one in a million wrote:
I cannot believe the amount of animosity directed by certain posters towards cyclists!

Would the same be said if this event was a half marathon or similar running occasion?

I am afraid the forest is there for all to use and enjoy and car drivers do not have the devine right to dictate who can and who cannot use it.
Actually the forest is there for the animals and the wildlife and not for all and sundry to abuse it so check your facts before pontificating.
If it was a marathon or runners they would have far more manners and better organisation than to hold their event without prior permission from the NPA and the police
[quote][p][bold]one in a million[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe the amount of animosity directed by certain posters towards cyclists! Would the same be said if this event was a half marathon or similar running occasion? I am afraid the forest is there for all to use and enjoy and car drivers do not have the devine right to dictate who can and who cannot use it.[/p][/quote]Actually the forest is there for the animals and the wildlife and not for all and sundry to abuse it so check your facts before pontificating. If it was a marathon or runners they would have far more manners and better organisation than to hold their event without prior permission from the NPA and the police geoff51
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4:07pm Wed 10 Apr 13

geoff51 says...

MGBR wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
The thought over that many ill mannered, self congratulating, law braking idiots in tight lycra make me feel physically sick-Pass the chunder bucket!
Seriously if there were that many say horse riders collecting in one place and blocking the roads would there not be a gaggle of antis and do gooders up in arms claiming they were killing fluffy foxies?
I have no problem with cyclists in the forest providing their numbers are limited and they keep to the marked cycle routes and not damage the delicate eco system of the area.
This many however is dangerous on narrow forest roads and they must obey the laws and bylaws of the NPA.
Most cyclists are actually polite if you don't drive like a moron around them, most don't break laws either, so what if they wear lycra? They do it for a reason which is to avoid injuries caused by other clothes rubbing, to keep cool and for aerodynamics, would you be such a cretin towards them if they were runners in a marathon? Why limit the numbers? That's like limiting the number of people who walk in the forest, they don't have to keep to marked cycle routes, they can go along any road or off-road trail that they want so long as it's not marked as a footpath and how does cycling damage the eco system? By breathing? Better ban walkers and runners and kill all the wildlife then if that's the case, seriously, the most a cyclist might have to do, is pull over and go water the plants if there isn't a toilet nearby, drip sweat on the ground, or if they get hurt, drip blood on the ground, non of which are bad for the environment.
@geoff51 - that quite literally is the biggest load of horse-sh$t i've hear in this whole post, how by riding on the road under your own body power is that endangering the local ecosystem, and why should cyclists HAVE to use a cycle path...grow up and read the Highway Code!! For one weekend be grateful that people are visiting the area and enjoying what is rightfully the public's to enjoy...of course if you own the road then this is a totally different matter entirely.

Support it and enjoy it, it's going to happen it's been publicised and published to the New Forest area - so why not get involved
Support it! I would rather stick pins in my eyes than have anything to do with you bunch of stupidly dressed roadhogs!
[quote][p][bold]MGBR[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: The thought over that many ill mannered, self congratulating, law braking idiots in tight lycra make me feel physically sick-Pass the chunder bucket! Seriously if there were that many say horse riders collecting in one place and blocking the roads would there not be a gaggle of antis and do gooders up in arms claiming they were killing fluffy foxies? I have no problem with cyclists in the forest providing their numbers are limited and they keep to the marked cycle routes and not damage the delicate eco system of the area. This many however is dangerous on narrow forest roads and they must obey the laws and bylaws of the NPA.[/p][/quote]Most cyclists are actually polite if you don't drive like a moron around them, most don't break laws either, so what if they wear lycra? They do it for a reason which is to avoid injuries caused by other clothes rubbing, to keep cool and for aerodynamics, would you be such a cretin towards them if they were runners in a marathon? Why limit the numbers? That's like limiting the number of people who walk in the forest, they don't have to keep to marked cycle routes, they can go along any road or off-road trail that they want so long as it's not marked as a footpath and how does cycling damage the eco system? By breathing? Better ban walkers and runners and kill all the wildlife then if that's the case, seriously, the most a cyclist might have to do, is pull over and go water the plants if there isn't a toilet nearby, drip sweat on the ground, or if they get hurt, drip blood on the ground, non of which are bad for the environment.[/p][/quote]@geoff51 - that quite literally is the biggest load of horse-sh$t i've hear in this whole post, how by riding on the road under your own body power is that endangering the local ecosystem, and why should cyclists HAVE to use a cycle path...grow up and read the Highway Code!! For one weekend be grateful that people are visiting the area and enjoying what is rightfully the public's to enjoy...of course if you own the road then this is a totally different matter entirely. Support it and enjoy it, it's going to happen it's been publicised and published to the New Forest area - so why not get involved[/p][/quote]Support it! I would rather stick pins in my eyes than have anything to do with you bunch of stupidly dressed roadhogs! geoff51
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5:56pm Wed 10 Apr 13

full_chat says...

geoff51 wrote:
MGBR wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
The thought over that many ill mannered, self congratulating, law braking idiots in tight lycra make me feel physically sick-Pass the chunder bucket!
Seriously if there were that many say horse riders collecting in one place and blocking the roads would there not be a gaggle of antis and do gooders up in arms claiming they were killing fluffy foxies?
I have no problem with cyclists in the forest providing their numbers are limited and they keep to the marked cycle routes and not damage the delicate eco system of the area.
This many however is dangerous on narrow forest roads and they must obey the laws and bylaws of the NPA.
Most cyclists are actually polite if you don't drive like a moron around them, most don't break laws either, so what if they wear lycra? They do it for a reason which is to avoid injuries caused by other clothes rubbing, to keep cool and for aerodynamics, would you be such a cretin towards them if they were runners in a marathon? Why limit the numbers? That's like limiting the number of people who walk in the forest, they don't have to keep to marked cycle routes, they can go along any road or off-road trail that they want so long as it's not marked as a footpath and how does cycling damage the eco system? By breathing? Better ban walkers and runners and kill all the wildlife then if that's the case, seriously, the most a cyclist might have to do, is pull over and go water the plants if there isn't a toilet nearby, drip sweat on the ground, or if they get hurt, drip blood on the ground, non of which are bad for the environment.
@geoff51 - that quite literally is the biggest load of horse-sh$t i've hear in this whole post, how by riding on the road under your own body power is that endangering the local ecosystem, and why should cyclists HAVE to use a cycle path...grow up and read the Highway Code!! For one weekend be grateful that people are visiting the area and enjoying what is rightfully the public's to enjoy...of course if you own the road then this is a totally different matter entirely.

Support it and enjoy it, it's going to happen it's been publicised and published to the New Forest area - so why not get involved
Support it! I would rather stick pins in my eyes than have anything to do with you bunch of stupidly dressed roadhogs!
geoff51wrote: Support it! I would rather stick pins in my eyes than have anything to do with you bunch of stupidly dressed roadhogs!


Challenge accepted - shall I supply the pins for you?

So geoff51, how do you spend your leisure time? Do you dress up in silly clothes and hit a ball around a field, do you put deck shoes and a pull-over on then swan about on The Solent or are more of an armchair sports-person?

How can a cyclist be a road hog? They hardly take up much space. I know it must be a major inconvenience for you to lift your foot off of the throttle and turn the steering wheel a few degrees to pass these road hogs. Heaven forbid if you have any children/grandchildr
en who dare be so bold as to actually go and ride a bike
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGBR[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: The thought over that many ill mannered, self congratulating, law braking idiots in tight lycra make me feel physically sick-Pass the chunder bucket! Seriously if there were that many say horse riders collecting in one place and blocking the roads would there not be a gaggle of antis and do gooders up in arms claiming they were killing fluffy foxies? I have no problem with cyclists in the forest providing their numbers are limited and they keep to the marked cycle routes and not damage the delicate eco system of the area. This many however is dangerous on narrow forest roads and they must obey the laws and bylaws of the NPA.[/p][/quote]Most cyclists are actually polite if you don't drive like a moron around them, most don't break laws either, so what if they wear lycra? They do it for a reason which is to avoid injuries caused by other clothes rubbing, to keep cool and for aerodynamics, would you be such a cretin towards them if they were runners in a marathon? Why limit the numbers? That's like limiting the number of people who walk in the forest, they don't have to keep to marked cycle routes, they can go along any road or off-road trail that they want so long as it's not marked as a footpath and how does cycling damage the eco system? By breathing? Better ban walkers and runners and kill all the wildlife then if that's the case, seriously, the most a cyclist might have to do, is pull over and go water the plants if there isn't a toilet nearby, drip sweat on the ground, or if they get hurt, drip blood on the ground, non of which are bad for the environment.[/p][/quote]@geoff51 - that quite literally is the biggest load of horse-sh$t i've hear in this whole post, how by riding on the road under your own body power is that endangering the local ecosystem, and why should cyclists HAVE to use a cycle path...grow up and read the Highway Code!! For one weekend be grateful that people are visiting the area and enjoying what is rightfully the public's to enjoy...of course if you own the road then this is a totally different matter entirely. Support it and enjoy it, it's going to happen it's been publicised and published to the New Forest area - so why not get involved[/p][/quote]Support it! I would rather stick pins in my eyes than have anything to do with you bunch of stupidly dressed roadhogs![/p][/quote][quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold]wrote: Support it! I would rather stick pins in my eyes than have anything to do with you bunch of stupidly dressed roadhogs![/p][/quote] Challenge accepted - shall I supply the pins for you? So geoff51, how do you spend your leisure time? Do you dress up in silly clothes and hit a ball around a field, do you put deck shoes and a pull-over on then swan about on The Solent or are more of an armchair sports-person? How can a cyclist be a road hog? They hardly take up much space. I know it must be a major inconvenience for you to lift your foot off of the throttle and turn the steering wheel a few degrees to pass these road hogs. Heaven forbid [i]if[/i] you have any children/grandchildr en who dare be so bold as to actually go and ride a bike full_chat
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6:47pm Wed 10 Apr 13

MGBR says...

geoff51 wrote:
MGBR wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
The thought over that many ill mannered, self congratulating, law braking idiots in tight lycra make me feel physically sick-Pass the chunder bucket!
Seriously if there were that many say horse riders collecting in one place and blocking the roads would there not be a gaggle of antis and do gooders up in arms claiming they were killing fluffy foxies?
I have no problem with cyclists in the forest providing their numbers are limited and they keep to the marked cycle routes and not damage the delicate eco system of the area.
This many however is dangerous on narrow forest roads and they must obey the laws and bylaws of the NPA.
Most cyclists are actually polite if you don't drive like a moron around them, most don't break laws either, so what if they wear lycra? They do it for a reason which is to avoid injuries caused by other clothes rubbing, to keep cool and for aerodynamics, would you be such a cretin towards them if they were runners in a marathon? Why limit the numbers? That's like limiting the number of people who walk in the forest, they don't have to keep to marked cycle routes, they can go along any road or off-road trail that they want so long as it's not marked as a footpath and how does cycling damage the eco system? By breathing? Better ban walkers and runners and kill all the wildlife then if that's the case, seriously, the most a cyclist might have to do, is pull over and go water the plants if there isn't a toilet nearby, drip sweat on the ground, or if they get hurt, drip blood on the ground, non of which are bad for the environment.
@geoff51 - that quite literally is the biggest load of horse-sh$t i've hear in this whole post, how by riding on the road under your own body power is that endangering the local ecosystem, and why should cyclists HAVE to use a cycle path...grow up and read the Highway Code!! For one weekend be grateful that people are visiting the area and enjoying what is rightfully the public's to enjoy...of course if you own the road then this is a totally different matter entirely.

Support it and enjoy it, it's going to happen it's been publicised and published to the New Forest area - so why not get involved
Support it! I would rather stick pins in my eyes than have anything to do with you bunch of stupidly dressed roadhogs!
Pot calling the kettle...oh yeah that's right - so you'd support pompous looking red coated individuals chasing a wild animal destroying hedgerows and fields...please!! Putting it into context, I cycle - sail and support hunting so your argument is essentially rubbish - but I will too supply some pins to stick in said eyes if you would like them sent Royal Mail Special Delivery?
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGBR[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: The thought over that many ill mannered, self congratulating, law braking idiots in tight lycra make me feel physically sick-Pass the chunder bucket! Seriously if there were that many say horse riders collecting in one place and blocking the roads would there not be a gaggle of antis and do gooders up in arms claiming they were killing fluffy foxies? I have no problem with cyclists in the forest providing their numbers are limited and they keep to the marked cycle routes and not damage the delicate eco system of the area. This many however is dangerous on narrow forest roads and they must obey the laws and bylaws of the NPA.[/p][/quote]Most cyclists are actually polite if you don't drive like a moron around them, most don't break laws either, so what if they wear lycra? They do it for a reason which is to avoid injuries caused by other clothes rubbing, to keep cool and for aerodynamics, would you be such a cretin towards them if they were runners in a marathon? Why limit the numbers? That's like limiting the number of people who walk in the forest, they don't have to keep to marked cycle routes, they can go along any road or off-road trail that they want so long as it's not marked as a footpath and how does cycling damage the eco system? By breathing? Better ban walkers and runners and kill all the wildlife then if that's the case, seriously, the most a cyclist might have to do, is pull over and go water the plants if there isn't a toilet nearby, drip sweat on the ground, or if they get hurt, drip blood on the ground, non of which are bad for the environment.[/p][/quote]@geoff51 - that quite literally is the biggest load of horse-sh$t i've hear in this whole post, how by riding on the road under your own body power is that endangering the local ecosystem, and why should cyclists HAVE to use a cycle path...grow up and read the Highway Code!! For one weekend be grateful that people are visiting the area and enjoying what is rightfully the public's to enjoy...of course if you own the road then this is a totally different matter entirely. Support it and enjoy it, it's going to happen it's been publicised and published to the New Forest area - so why not get involved[/p][/quote]Support it! I would rather stick pins in my eyes than have anything to do with you bunch of stupidly dressed roadhogs![/p][/quote]Pot calling the kettle...oh yeah that's right - so you'd support pompous looking red coated individuals chasing a wild animal destroying hedgerows and fields...please!! Putting it into context, I cycle - sail and support hunting so your argument is essentially rubbish - but I will too supply some pins to stick in said eyes if you would like them sent Royal Mail Special Delivery? MGBR
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6:25pm Thu 11 Apr 13

sotondavid says...

This excellent article addresses all the issues regarding sportives and the New Forest http://t.co/hzRGviK7
XO
This excellent article addresses all the issues regarding sportives and the New Forest http://t.co/hzRGviK7 XO sotondavid
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11:39pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

geoff51 wrote:
I would rather get involved in Foxhunting as that is a centuries old tradition in the forest which damage the area far less than any cycle tyre and the people who take part have far mor respect for the area.
With regard to cycling in the forest you will find that you are restricted by the NPA to ride only on designated cycle routes, but as usual you ignore the rules as you do when on the road.
You only have to follow the cycle TRACKS if you decide to ride OFF road, stupid fool, also, foxhunting is FAR more damaging than cycling, foxhunters often trespass to get at a fox, as others have said, they destroy shrubs, bushes and hedgerows compared to cyclists may kick up a little bit of dust or stop to take a leak in a bush which animals do themselves.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: I would rather get involved in Foxhunting as that is a centuries old tradition in the forest which damage the area far less than any cycle tyre and the people who take part have far mor respect for the area. With regard to cycling in the forest you will find that you are restricted by the NPA to ride only on designated cycle routes, but as usual you ignore the rules as you do when on the road.[/p][/quote]You only have to follow the cycle TRACKS if you decide to ride OFF road, stupid fool, also, foxhunting is FAR more damaging than cycling, foxhunters often trespass to get at a fox, as others have said, they destroy shrubs, bushes and hedgerows compared to cyclists may kick up a little bit of dust or stop to take a leak in a bush which animals do themselves. Ginger_cyclist
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11:41pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

geoff51 wrote:
one in a million wrote:
I cannot believe the amount of animosity directed by certain posters towards cyclists!

Would the same be said if this event was a half marathon or similar running occasion?

I am afraid the forest is there for all to use and enjoy and car drivers do not have the devine right to dictate who can and who cannot use it.
Actually the forest is there for the animals and the wildlife and not for all and sundry to abuse it so check your facts before pontificating.
If it was a marathon or runners they would have far more manners and better organisation than to hold their event without prior permission from the NPA and the police
Actually, you're also wrong, the forest is there for all LIVING things including people.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in a million[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe the amount of animosity directed by certain posters towards cyclists! Would the same be said if this event was a half marathon or similar running occasion? I am afraid the forest is there for all to use and enjoy and car drivers do not have the devine right to dictate who can and who cannot use it.[/p][/quote]Actually the forest is there for the animals and the wildlife and not for all and sundry to abuse it so check your facts before pontificating. If it was a marathon or runners they would have far more manners and better organisation than to hold their event without prior permission from the NPA and the police[/p][/quote]Actually, you're also wrong, the forest is there for all LIVING things including people. Ginger_cyclist
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11:47pm Thu 11 Apr 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

geoff51 wrote:
MGBR wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
The thought over that many ill mannered, self congratulating, law braking idiots in tight lycra make me feel physically sick-Pass the chunder bucket!
Seriously if there were that many say horse riders collecting in one place and blocking the roads would there not be a gaggle of antis and do gooders up in arms claiming they were killing fluffy foxies?
I have no problem with cyclists in the forest providing their numbers are limited and they keep to the marked cycle routes and not damage the delicate eco system of the area.
This many however is dangerous on narrow forest roads and they must obey the laws and bylaws of the NPA.
Most cyclists are actually polite if you don't drive like a moron around them, most don't break laws either, so what if they wear lycra? They do it for a reason which is to avoid injuries caused by other clothes rubbing, to keep cool and for aerodynamics, would you be such a cretin towards them if they were runners in a marathon? Why limit the numbers? That's like limiting the number of people who walk in the forest, they don't have to keep to marked cycle routes, they can go along any road or off-road trail that they want so long as it's not marked as a footpath and how does cycling damage the eco system? By breathing? Better ban walkers and runners and kill all the wildlife then if that's the case, seriously, the most a cyclist might have to do, is pull over and go water the plants if there isn't a toilet nearby, drip sweat on the ground, or if they get hurt, drip blood on the ground, non of which are bad for the environment.
@geoff51 - that quite literally is the biggest load of horse-sh$t i've hear in this whole post, how by riding on the road under your own body power is that endangering the local ecosystem, and why should cyclists HAVE to use a cycle path...grow up and read the Highway Code!! For one weekend be grateful that people are visiting the area and enjoying what is rightfully the public's to enjoy...of course if you own the road then this is a totally different matter entirely.

Support it and enjoy it, it's going to happen it's been publicised and published to the New Forest area - so why not get involved
Support it! I would rather stick pins in my eyes than have anything to do with you bunch of stupidly dressed roadhogs!
Any preference in pins?
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGBR[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: The thought over that many ill mannered, self congratulating, law braking idiots in tight lycra make me feel physically sick-Pass the chunder bucket! Seriously if there were that many say horse riders collecting in one place and blocking the roads would there not be a gaggle of antis and do gooders up in arms claiming they were killing fluffy foxies? I have no problem with cyclists in the forest providing their numbers are limited and they keep to the marked cycle routes and not damage the delicate eco system of the area. This many however is dangerous on narrow forest roads and they must obey the laws and bylaws of the NPA.[/p][/quote]Most cyclists are actually polite if you don't drive like a moron around them, most don't break laws either, so what if they wear lycra? They do it for a reason which is to avoid injuries caused by other clothes rubbing, to keep cool and for aerodynamics, would you be such a cretin towards them if they were runners in a marathon? Why limit the numbers? That's like limiting the number of people who walk in the forest, they don't have to keep to marked cycle routes, they can go along any road or off-road trail that they want so long as it's not marked as a footpath and how does cycling damage the eco system? By breathing? Better ban walkers and runners and kill all the wildlife then if that's the case, seriously, the most a cyclist might have to do, is pull over and go water the plants if there isn't a toilet nearby, drip sweat on the ground, or if they get hurt, drip blood on the ground, non of which are bad for the environment.[/p][/quote]@geoff51 - that quite literally is the biggest load of horse-sh$t i've hear in this whole post, how by riding on the road under your own body power is that endangering the local ecosystem, and why should cyclists HAVE to use a cycle path...grow up and read the Highway Code!! For one weekend be grateful that people are visiting the area and enjoying what is rightfully the public's to enjoy...of course if you own the road then this is a totally different matter entirely. Support it and enjoy it, it's going to happen it's been publicised and published to the New Forest area - so why not get involved[/p][/quote]Support it! I would rather stick pins in my eyes than have anything to do with you bunch of stupidly dressed roadhogs![/p][/quote]Any preference in pins? Ginger_cyclist
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6:18pm Fri 12 Apr 13

hellojohn says...

I don't know what all the fuss is about, given that cycling events only take place a few times a year, and are already subject to to being granted police permission following submission of application including health & safety assessment.
I'm more concerned about the large groups of motorcyclists using the public roads for racing each other on, and the mass of car users who seem to think that the roads are exclusively for their personal use, and judging by the number of animal fatalities caused by motor vehicles it would seem even animals aren't allowed on the road.
Why on earth is anybody, especially an MP, wasting even a second in thinking about this issue, when there are other more significant causes of death, injury, and inconvenience on the roads of the New Forest?
I don't know what all the fuss is about, given that cycling events only take place a few times a year, and are already subject to to being granted police permission following submission of application including health & safety assessment. I'm more concerned about the large groups of motorcyclists using the public roads for racing each other on, and the mass of car users who seem to think that the roads are exclusively for their personal use, and judging by the number of animal fatalities caused by motor vehicles it would seem even animals aren't allowed on the road. Why on earth is anybody, especially an MP, wasting even a second in thinking about this issue, when there are other more significant causes of death, injury, and inconvenience on the roads of the New Forest? hellojohn
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6:23pm Fri 12 Apr 13

hellojohn says...

I would also like to add that where I live, we are regularly put at risk not only by the people I've already mentioned, but by the Hunt; supporters vehicles and horse boxes parked illegally and dangerously, out of control hounds swarming out onto main roads from adjacent land, and groups of horse riders galloping 5 abreast across both sides of the road. Not only are they taking part in an illegal activity, but unlike the cycle events they don't need to apply for permission to the police.
I would also like to add that where I live, we are regularly put at risk not only by the people I've already mentioned, but by the Hunt; supporters vehicles and horse boxes parked illegally and dangerously, out of control hounds swarming out onto main roads from adjacent land, and groups of horse riders galloping 5 abreast across both sides of the road. Not only are they taking part in an illegal activity, but unlike the cycle events they don't need to apply for permission to the police. hellojohn
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5:03pm Sat 13 Apr 13

Annie1977 says...

I'm a cyclist who loves riding in the NF, sadly though it is becoming dangerous! Many times I've been riding on my own and a car driver has passed so close that I've actually thought they were going to hit me. I have been advised that protesters removed all the signs for this weekends event last night and a load of tacs were put in the road at the bottom of a hill. I can't believe that a person would such a dangerous spiteful thing, this could have caused a serious accident with another cyclist, a forest animal or a vehicle. I regularly cycle in the South Downs and don't get anywhere near the amount of grief that I get in the NF. I accept that as with drivers there are also bad cyclists, don't tar us all with the same brush. Preventing cyclists using the NF would be a travesty and I am saddened that there are people that actually think a green means of transportation should be excluded from our National Park.
I'm a cyclist who loves riding in the NF, sadly though it is becoming dangerous! Many times I've been riding on my own and a car driver has passed so close that I've actually thought they were going to hit me. I have been advised that protesters removed all the signs for this weekends event last night and a load of tacs were put in the road at the bottom of a hill. I can't believe that a person would such a dangerous spiteful thing, this could have caused a serious accident with another cyclist, a forest animal or a vehicle. I regularly cycle in the South Downs and don't get anywhere near the amount of grief that I get in the NF. I accept that as with drivers there are also bad cyclists, don't tar us all with the same brush. Preventing cyclists using the NF would be a travesty and I am saddened that there are people that actually think a green means of transportation should be excluded from our National Park. Annie1977
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2:01am Sun 14 Apr 13

Gooby! says...

Could Dr Lewis tell us of any incidents serious or not that has been caused by cyclists in the events taking place this weekend. Apparently horses were due to throw riders, life threatening stampedes, and locals dying due to delayed ambulances.

Please let us know how these cyclists have destroyed the forest?

Is is as I suspect, Dr Lewis indulging in a level of NIMBYism that should be shameful to an MP and someone of education. How has today's sportives justified a licence system for these events?
Could Dr Lewis tell us of any incidents serious or not that has been caused by cyclists in the events taking place this weekend. Apparently horses were due to throw riders, life threatening stampedes, and locals dying due to delayed ambulances. Please let us know how these cyclists have destroyed the forest? Is is as I suspect, Dr Lewis indulging in a level of NIMBYism that should be shameful to an MP and someone of education. How has today's sportives justified a licence system for these events? Gooby!
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3:51pm Fri 19 Apr 13

ScaredAmoeba says...

Gooby! wrote:
Could Dr Lewis tell us of any incidents serious or not that has been caused by cyclists in the events taking place this weekend. Apparently horses were due to throw riders, life threatening stampedes, and locals dying due to delayed ambulances.

Please let us know how these cyclists have destroyed the forest?

Is is as I suspect, Dr Lewis indulging in a level of NIMBYism that should be shameful to an MP and someone of education. How has today's sportives justified a licence system for these events?
Exactly! The primary danger to all road-users and wildlife, derives from almost exclusively from motor vehicles. Calling cyclists 'dangerous' is entirely disingenuous and dishonest.

Can people restrict their claims to those for which they can provide evidence?

As an example, there are often claims exaggerating the dangers to pedestrians presented by so-called 'pavement cyclists'. The statistics tell a radically different perspective, from the disingenuous claims. Between 2000-2009 (ten years) there were three pedestrians killed on the footway or verge by cyclists. Whereas between 2005-2009 (five years) there were 226 pedestrians killed on the footway or verge by motorists. FYI, that's a ratio of pedestrians killed on the footway or verge by cyclists to motorists of 1:151.

So, as I said the danger to road users of all types derives almost entirely from motor-vehicles and how they are driven.

So, if anyone wants to improve road safety, the answer is to restrict speeds of motor vehicles and to encourage people out of their cars and onto bicycles. Bikes cause little noise, no pollution and zero road-kill, all those are the product of too many massively over-powered, motor-vehicles, being driven too fast and often aggressively.
[quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote: Could Dr Lewis tell us of any incidents serious or not that has been caused by cyclists in the events taking place this weekend. Apparently horses were due to throw riders, life threatening stampedes, and locals dying due to delayed ambulances. Please let us know how these cyclists have destroyed the forest? Is is as I suspect, Dr Lewis indulging in a level of NIMBYism that should be shameful to an MP and someone of education. How has today's sportives justified a licence system for these events?[/p][/quote]Exactly! The primary danger to all road-users and wildlife, derives from almost exclusively from motor vehicles. Calling cyclists 'dangerous' is entirely disingenuous and dishonest. Can people restrict their claims to those for which they can provide evidence? As an example, there are often claims exaggerating the dangers to pedestrians presented by so-called 'pavement cyclists'. The statistics tell a radically different perspective, from the disingenuous claims. Between 2000-2009 (ten years) there were three pedestrians killed on the footway or verge by cyclists. Whereas between 2005-2009 (five years) there were 226 pedestrians killed on the footway or verge by motorists. FYI, that's a ratio of pedestrians killed on the footway or verge by cyclists to motorists of 1:151. So, as I said the danger to road users of all types derives almost entirely from motor-vehicles and how they are driven. So, if anyone wants to improve road safety, the answer is to restrict speeds of motor vehicles and to encourage people out of their cars and onto bicycles. Bikes cause little noise, no pollution and zero road-kill, all those are the product of too many massively over-powered, motor-vehicles, being driven too fast and often aggressively. ScaredAmoeba
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6:36pm Fri 19 Apr 13

ScaredAmoeba says...

Ginger_cyclist says...
11:37am Wed 10 Apr 13
"Most cyclists are actually polite if you don't drive like a moron around them, most don't break laws either..."

The problem isn't cyclists, (as the statistics show). The problem is some motorists, (as anyone will find if they ride a bicycle).

For instance, yesterday, I was overtaken by an impatient driver-moron who couldn't wait a few seconds until it was safe to pass. Instead of passing safely, what did the driver do? They overtook me, just before the apex of a blind bend. Endangering both myself and the driver who was coming the other way. Such drivers are a menace to public safety.

I have to say that I was deeply unimpressed by the idiot's dangerous driving.
Ginger_cyclist says... 11:37am Wed 10 Apr 13 "Most cyclists are actually polite if you don't drive like a moron around them, most don't break laws either..." The problem isn't cyclists, (as the statistics show). The problem is some motorists, (as anyone will find if they ride a bicycle). For instance, yesterday, I was overtaken by an impatient driver-moron who couldn't wait a few seconds until it was safe to pass. Instead of passing safely, what did the driver do? They overtook me, just before the apex of a blind bend. Endangering both myself and the driver who was coming the other way. Such drivers are a menace to public safety. I have to say that I was deeply unimpressed by the idiot's dangerous driving. ScaredAmoeba
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10:30pm Sun 28 Apr 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

ScaredAmoeba wrote:
Ginger_cyclist says...
11:37am Wed 10 Apr 13
"Most cyclists are actually polite if you don't drive like a moron around them, most don't break laws either..."

The problem isn't cyclists, (as the statistics show). The problem is some motorists, (as anyone will find if they ride a bicycle).

For instance, yesterday, I was overtaken by an impatient driver-moron who couldn't wait a few seconds until it was safe to pass. Instead of passing safely, what did the driver do? They overtook me, just before the apex of a blind bend. Endangering both myself and the driver who was coming the other way. Such drivers are a menace to public safety.

I have to say that I was deeply unimpressed by the idiot's dangerous driving.
I've had someone do that to me before down Woolston/Weston where the new buildings are being built by the ones that are already built and occupied, blind corner, overtakes almost on top of it, sure they gave me plenty of space but they couldn't see if a bus or something was coming the other way, they didn't like it when I pointed this fact out, not to mention I was doing 20 in a 20 zone while in primary, the problem is that people seem to think speed limits are a target to hit or exceed or that between a few seconds to maybe a minute or 2 is worth more than human life.
[quote][p][bold]ScaredAmoeba[/bold] wrote: Ginger_cyclist says... 11:37am Wed 10 Apr 13 "Most cyclists are actually polite if you don't drive like a moron around them, most don't break laws either..." The problem isn't cyclists, (as the statistics show). The problem is some motorists, (as anyone will find if they ride a bicycle). For instance, yesterday, I was overtaken by an impatient driver-moron who couldn't wait a few seconds until it was safe to pass. Instead of passing safely, what did the driver do? They overtook me, just before the apex of a blind bend. Endangering both myself and the driver who was coming the other way. Such drivers are a menace to public safety. I have to say that I was deeply unimpressed by the idiot's dangerous driving.[/p][/quote]I've had someone do that to me before down Woolston/Weston where the new buildings are being built by the ones that are already built and occupied, blind corner, overtakes almost on top of it, sure they gave me plenty of space but they couldn't see if a bus or something was coming the other way, they didn't like it when I pointed this fact out, not to mention I was doing 20 in a 20 zone while in primary, the problem is that people seem to think speed limits are a target to hit or exceed or that between a few seconds to maybe a minute or 2 is worth more than human life. Ginger_cyclist
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