Southampton City Council leader Richard Williams resigns

Richard Williams

Richard Williams

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THE time was 7.20pm.

That was when one of the most dramatic moments in Southampton’s political history unfolded, as city council leader Richard Williams stood down following an inquiry into his conduct.

There was a stunned silence, followed by gasps as the Labour boss read out a short statement announcing his resignation and immediately walked out of the council chamber.

Even the opposition councillors who had tabled a motion of no confidence in him were lost for words.

After the shock had subsided, former colleagues from the Labour hierarchy paid tribute to Mr Williams, who only became leader last May.

Then deputy leader Jacqui Rayment was nominated and voted in as his successor.

Mr Williams’ resignation came after an independent report found he had misled the public about the reasons for Cabinet colleague Keith Morrell’s resignation.

That report was commissioned after the Daily Echo revealed that Mr Williams had persuaded Cllr Morrell to go along with a fictional story that he was resigning for health reasons, when in fact he was stepping down due to policy disagreements and was in perfect health.

And as the Daily Echo revealed yesterday there were damning allegations contained in the 85-page confidential draft of the report first handed in to the council.

Among them was Cllr Morrell’s allegation that Mr Williams had shouted and sworn at him.

Cllr Morrell also claimed in the draft that Mr Williams tried to convince him not to resign, saying “you don’t have to do anything – just draw the money”.

Meanwhile, his deputy, Cllr Rayment, had said he had lacked “clear leadership” in dealing with the crisis.

Yesterday, the Daily Echo revealed that 62 pages of this draft were eventually cut from the final report after it had been seen by Mr Williams and Cllrs Rayment and Morrell.

Most of these more damaging allegations had been removed, including evidence from the council’s former director of communication, who said he had felt “duped”

in sending out a press release saying Cllr Morrell had resigned due to health issues on May 23.

It had been sent out on Mr Williams’ orders and had been checked by Cllr Rayment.

The report was commissioned last October and when the final version was published last week, it also admonished Mr Williams for failing to stick to nat i o n a l g u i d e - lines on o p e n - ness and honesty, saying he had been “economical with the truth” in covering up the real reasons for Cllr Morrell’s resignation.

An extraordinary council meeting was called for last night for councillors to debate the debacle, while the Conservative opposition put forward a motion of no confidence in Mr Williams.

He had been expected to resist the calls to resign, but instead stood up to address the council and said: “I reiterate my apologies I made last week in relation to the mistakes I made.

“In light of what has happened I am as of now standing down from the authority and I hope you will accept my resignation.”

With only a few of his closest colleagues aware of his decision, there was widespread shock from all areas of the chamber.

Cllr Rayment, before her election as new leader, addressed the council in the wake of Mr Williams’ announcement.

She said: “I would like to unreservedly apologise for my part in what I see as a mess.

Cllr Morrell, who has since left the Labour group to form the Labour Councillors Against The Cuts, apologised for his role in the crisis and said: “The attempt to conceal the real reason for my resignation by saying that I was ill was indefensible. I agreed initially to go along with the story out of loyalty to the Labour Party, but it was, of course, by its very nature unsustainable and soon fell apart.

“Attempts since then to try to deny the truth have been, at times, almost grotesque.”

Reacting to Mr Williams'departure, opposition leader Royston Smith said: “I am surprised Cllr Williams has done this. This did not have to get to this stage.”

HOW THE SAGA UNFOLDED:

It started as a “fiction” designed to prevent political embarrassment, but yesterday the story ended with the resignation of the council’s leader.

Only two weeks after Labour swept to power, Richard Williams found himself dealing with the resignation of a senior member of his new administration.

But rather than accept Keith Morrell’s real reasons for standing down Mr Williams set in motion a chain of events that culminated in yesterday’s dramatic scenes in the council chamber. This is how the story unfolded: control of the council, with Mr Williams named as new leader. Cllr Morrell is named as Cabinet member for efficiency and improvement.

May 22: Cllr Morrell sends an email to the leader tendering his resignation from the Cabinet. Cllr Rayment is made aware, and Mr Williams speaks to Cllr Morrell on the telephone.

May 23: Following a second phone call between Mr Williams and Cllr Morrell, it is agreed that “ill health” shall be named as the reason for his resignation. Mr Williams orders director of communications Ben White to prepare a press release and it is checked by Cllr Rayment before being sent out.

May 24: Cllr Morrell reveals to the Daily Echo the real reason for this resignation.

May 25: The Echo publishes the story on the truth behind his departure from the Cabinet.

June 25: At an extraordinary meeting of the council, Cllr Rayment apologises for not checking the press release and a vote of no confidence in Mr Williams is unsuccessful.

October 19: The inquiry into the conduct of Mr Williams and Cllrs Rayment and Morrell is launched after the Echo prints Cllr Morrell’s resignation email.

November 13-February 14, 2013: Interviews conducted as part of the investigation.

March 3: The draft report is handed by Richard Lingard to council monitoring officer Mark Heath, and Mr Williams and Cllrs Rayment and Morrell are allowed to comment on its findings.

April 17: The final report – with 62 pages of evidence cut from the draft report – is published and Mr Williams apologises for his “mistakes”.

April 25: The Daily Echo publishes details from the draft report, and at an extraordinary council meeting Mr Williams resigns, with Cllr Rayment taking over as leader.

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7:16am Fri 26 Apr 13

Ssaintsgirl says...

It's a great pity that the city has lost such a committed local politician. I'm not saying that what Richard Williams did wasn't wrong. But I feel his loyalty to his new administration at an early stage in his tenure may well have contributed to his reasons for acting in the way he did.

Unfortunately Cllr morrell must shoulder some of the blame in having accepted a role followed by his hasty U turn. Finally, I would have expected a much more professional approach from the departed Communications Director who on a very generous salary should have been much more adept at dealing with the trials and tribulations of local politics.
It's a great pity that the city has lost such a committed local politician. I'm not saying that what Richard Williams did wasn't wrong. But I feel his loyalty to his new administration at an early stage in his tenure may well have contributed to his reasons for acting in the way he did. Unfortunately Cllr morrell must shoulder some of the blame in having accepted a role followed by his hasty U turn. Finally, I would have expected a much more professional approach from the departed Communications Director who on a very generous salary should have been much more adept at dealing with the trials and tribulations of local politics. Ssaintsgirl
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7:28am Fri 26 Apr 13

aldermoorboy says...

William was correct to resign.
Now Labour must stop lying, smearing and bulling.
Vote TORY at the election for an honest party.
William was correct to resign. Now Labour must stop lying, smearing and bulling. Vote TORY at the election for an honest party. aldermoorboy
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7:34am Fri 26 Apr 13

james47 says...

Ssaintsgirl wrote:
It's a great pity that the city has lost such a committed local politician. I'm not saying that what Richard Williams did wasn't wrong. But I feel his loyalty to his new administration at an early stage in his tenure may well have contributed to his reasons for acting in the way he did.

Unfortunately Cllr morrell must shoulder some of the blame in having accepted a role followed by his hasty U turn. Finally, I would have expected a much more professional approach from the departed Communications Director who on a very generous salary should have been much more adept at dealing with the trials and tribulations of local politics.
I have just had my morning chuckle....right.... Richard Williams a "committed" local politician....self serving and a proven Labour Liar perhaps....

And your trying to blame council staff whom have been purposefully and wilfully lied to by Labour Liars Williams and Jacqui Rayment is in my opinion quite odd.

Labour = Liars

People of Southampton wake up.
[quote][p][bold]Ssaintsgirl[/bold] wrote: It's a great pity that the city has lost such a committed local politician. I'm not saying that what Richard Williams did wasn't wrong. But I feel his loyalty to his new administration at an early stage in his tenure may well have contributed to his reasons for acting in the way he did. Unfortunately Cllr morrell must shoulder some of the blame in having accepted a role followed by his hasty U turn. Finally, I would have expected a much more professional approach from the departed Communications Director who on a very generous salary should have been much more adept at dealing with the trials and tribulations of local politics.[/p][/quote]I have just had my morning chuckle....right.... Richard Williams a "committed" local politician....self serving and a proven Labour Liar perhaps.... And your trying to blame council staff whom have been purposefully and wilfully lied to by Labour Liars Williams and Jacqui Rayment is in my opinion quite odd. Labour = Liars People of Southampton wake up. james47
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7:40am Fri 26 Apr 13

Ssaintsgirl says...

Vote Tory and watch your local children's services desecrated. Morale in the council at an all time low and quality services a thing of the past.

Unfortunately any party picking up the reins from the Tories would have had to spend, as Labour are, rebuilding a Council shattered by Tory rule with a CEO eating out of their hands!
Vote Tory and watch your local children's services desecrated. Morale in the council at an all time low and quality services a thing of the past. Unfortunately any party picking up the reins from the Tories would have had to spend, as Labour are, rebuilding a Council shattered by Tory rule with a CEO eating out of their hands! Ssaintsgirl
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8:07am Fri 26 Apr 13

aldermoorboy says...

Tories ran the council well and would have merged some functions with the IOW saving lots of money.
Labour must modernise and start facing up to the truth.
Tories ran the council well and would have merged some functions with the IOW saving lots of money. Labour must modernise and start facing up to the truth. aldermoorboy
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8:22am Fri 26 Apr 13

tootle says...

Since the new leader was also mentioned as at fault in the report(from what has been reported) was it wise electing her as Leader?.
Since the new leader was also mentioned as at fault in the report(from what has been reported) was it wise electing her as Leader?. tootle
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8:36am Fri 26 Apr 13

Linesman says...

In my opinion, what Williams and Morrell agreed was an internal matter for the ruling Labour group, and had no effect on the way that the city was run, nor did it have any financial repercussions on the local council tax payers.

The Echo, noted for it's politically unbiased reporting, made a big deal out of it which has resulted in Williams doing the honourable thing, resigning.

If The Echo were to be consistent, then surely it should have 'hounded out of office' the local politician who lied when he claimed that the new Maritime Museum would not cost local taxpayers a penny, as it was to be funded by grants and donations.

That untruth has had a far bigger effect on Southampton's citizens, but The Echo's campaign was conspicuous by it's absence.

I wonder why.
In my opinion, what Williams and Morrell agreed was an internal matter for the ruling Labour group, and had no effect on the way that the city was run, nor did it have any financial repercussions on the local council tax payers. The Echo, noted for it's politically unbiased reporting, made a big deal out of it which has resulted in Williams doing the honourable thing, resigning. If The Echo were to be consistent, then surely it should have 'hounded out of office' the local politician who lied when he claimed that the new Maritime Museum would not cost local taxpayers a penny, as it was to be funded by grants and donations. That untruth has had a far bigger effect on Southampton's citizens, but The Echo's campaign was conspicuous by it's absence. I wonder why. Linesman
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8:38am Fri 26 Apr 13

Linesman says...

james47 wrote:
Ssaintsgirl wrote:
It's a great pity that the city has lost such a committed local politician. I'm not saying that what Richard Williams did wasn't wrong. But I feel his loyalty to his new administration at an early stage in his tenure may well have contributed to his reasons for acting in the way he did.

Unfortunately Cllr morrell must shoulder some of the blame in having accepted a role followed by his hasty U turn. Finally, I would have expected a much more professional approach from the departed Communications Director who on a very generous salary should have been much more adept at dealing with the trials and tribulations of local politics.
I have just had my morning chuckle....right.... Richard Williams a "committed" local politician....self serving and a proven Labour Liar perhaps....

And your trying to blame council staff whom have been purposefully and wilfully lied to by Labour Liars Williams and Jacqui Rayment is in my opinion quite odd.

Labour = Liars

People of Southampton wake up.
Which politician said tha t the Maritime Museum would not be a cost to the City Council?

Which party did that politician represent?
[quote][p][bold]james47[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ssaintsgirl[/bold] wrote: It's a great pity that the city has lost such a committed local politician. I'm not saying that what Richard Williams did wasn't wrong. But I feel his loyalty to his new administration at an early stage in his tenure may well have contributed to his reasons for acting in the way he did. Unfortunately Cllr morrell must shoulder some of the blame in having accepted a role followed by his hasty U turn. Finally, I would have expected a much more professional approach from the departed Communications Director who on a very generous salary should have been much more adept at dealing with the trials and tribulations of local politics.[/p][/quote]I have just had my morning chuckle....right.... Richard Williams a "committed" local politician....self serving and a proven Labour Liar perhaps.... And your trying to blame council staff whom have been purposefully and wilfully lied to by Labour Liars Williams and Jacqui Rayment is in my opinion quite odd. Labour = Liars People of Southampton wake up.[/p][/quote]Which politician said tha t the Maritime Museum would not be a cost to the City Council? Which party did that politician represent? Linesman
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8:55am Fri 26 Apr 13

aldermoorboy says...

Linesman get over the Sea Museum it is a success people like it, it tells the history of Southampton, it unites the city, it will educate children for generations to come, the staff are great.
The Labour mayor loves it.
Vote Tory Linesman for an honest bunch who try to make this city a greater success.
Have a stress free day.
Linesman get over the Sea Museum it is a success people like it, it tells the history of Southampton, it unites the city, it will educate children for generations to come, the staff are great. The Labour mayor loves it. Vote Tory Linesman for an honest bunch who try to make this city a greater success. Have a stress free day. aldermoorboy
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9:06am Fri 26 Apr 13

Ben Durutti says...

Williams did the honourable thing.
Smith should have done the same when he was caught with no insurance and not wearing a seatbelt. What would have happened if he had injured somebody? Who would have paid for that?
Williams did the honourable thing. Smith should have done the same when he was caught with no insurance and not wearing a seatbelt. What would have happened if he had injured somebody? Who would have paid for that? Ben Durutti
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9:47am Fri 26 Apr 13

News Fanatic says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Tories ran the council well and would have merged some functions with the IOW saving lots of money.
Labour must modernise and start facing up to the truth.
You have a short memory. I recall piles of rubbish in the streets as a result of the strikes brought about by the Tory-imposed wage cuts.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Tories ran the council well and would have merged some functions with the IOW saving lots of money. Labour must modernise and start facing up to the truth.[/p][/quote]You have a short memory. I recall piles of rubbish in the streets as a result of the strikes brought about by the Tory-imposed wage cuts. News Fanatic
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9:56am Fri 26 Apr 13

aldermoorboy says...

The strike was political, lower wage earners were protected, the Tories are an honest bunch.
We don't want the unions running this city and I don't want my council tax going to the unions ( £500,000 per year ).
The strike was political, lower wage earners were protected, the Tories are an honest bunch. We don't want the unions running this city and I don't want my council tax going to the unions ( £500,000 per year ). aldermoorboy
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10:39am Fri 26 Apr 13

George4th says...

In any other organisation, Williams, Rayment and Morrell would have been sacked (or asked to resign) for their actions.

>

It is a gift for the Tories that Rayment and Morrell are still in office! It is a desperate act on the part of Labour to hang onto these two! Two badly wounded Councillors with no credibility! Who's going to listen to them?!
In any other organisation, Williams, Rayment and Morrell would have been sacked (or asked to resign) for their actions. > It is a gift for the Tories that Rayment and Morrell are still in office! It is a desperate act on the part of Labour to hang onto these two! Two badly wounded Councillors with no credibility! Who's going to listen to them?! George4th
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11:07am Fri 26 Apr 13

On the inside says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
The strike was political, lower wage earners were protected, the Tories are an honest bunch. We don't want the unions running this city and I don't want my council tax going to the unions ( £500,000 per year ).
Liar. It is not even a tenth of that.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: The strike was political, lower wage earners were protected, the Tories are an honest bunch. We don't want the unions running this city and I don't want my council tax going to the unions ( £500,000 per year ).[/p][/quote]Liar. It is not even a tenth of that. On the inside
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11:10am Fri 26 Apr 13

On the inside says...

George4th wrote:
In any other organisation, Williams, Rayment and Morrell would have been sacked (or asked to resign) for their actions. > It is a gift for the Tories that Rayment and Morrell are still in office! It is a desperate act on the part of Labour to hang onto these two! Two badly wounded Councillors with no credibility! Who's going to listen to them?!
Morrell is nothing to do with Labour. He used the money and resources of Labour and the voters of Coxford to lie his way into office and should not remain as a councillor. He was elected for a party he is not in. He (and Thomas) should resign but he is too keen on 'status' as a councillor and for Thomas it is the highest paid job he has ever had.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: In any other organisation, Williams, Rayment and Morrell would have been sacked (or asked to resign) for their actions. > It is a gift for the Tories that Rayment and Morrell are still in office! It is a desperate act on the part of Labour to hang onto these two! Two badly wounded Councillors with no credibility! Who's going to listen to them?![/p][/quote]Morrell is nothing to do with Labour. He used the money and resources of Labour and the voters of Coxford to lie his way into office and should not remain as a councillor. He was elected for a party he is not in. He (and Thomas) should resign but he is too keen on 'status' as a councillor and for Thomas it is the highest paid job he has ever had. On the inside
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11:29am Fri 26 Apr 13

Lone Ranger. says...

On the inside wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
The strike was political, lower wage earners were protected, the Tories are an honest bunch. We don't want the unions running this city and I don't want my council tax going to the unions ( £500,000 per year ).
Liar. It is not even a tenth of that.
No Tories dont lie ...... They call it a "smear" when its their name in the frame
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: The strike was political, lower wage earners were protected, the Tories are an honest bunch. We don't want the unions running this city and I don't want my council tax going to the unions ( £500,000 per year ).[/p][/quote]Liar. It is not even a tenth of that.[/p][/quote]No Tories dont lie ...... They call it a "smear" when its their name in the frame Lone Ranger.
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11:59am Fri 26 Apr 13

aldermoorboy says...

Lone Ranger, it was Labour that smeared Morrell, one of their own, another shameful act.
Lone Ranger, it was Labour that smeared Morrell, one of their own, another shameful act. aldermoorboy
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12:05pm Fri 26 Apr 13

aldermoorboy says...

Latest football result

Labour 0 -1 Tories ( Williams og)
Later Williams sent himself off
Latest football result Labour 0 -1 Tories ( Williams og) Later Williams sent himself off aldermoorboy
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12:20pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Shoong says...

Linesman wrote:
In my opinion, what Williams and Morrell agreed was an internal matter for the ruling Labour group, and had no effect on the way that the city was run, nor did it have any financial repercussions on the local council tax payers.

The Echo, noted for it's politically unbiased reporting, made a big deal out of it which has resulted in Williams doing the honourable thing, resigning.

If The Echo were to be consistent, then surely it should have 'hounded out of office' the local politician who lied when he claimed that the new Maritime Museum would not cost local taxpayers a penny, as it was to be funded by grants and donations.

That untruth has had a far bigger effect on Southampton's citizens, but The Echo's campaign was conspicuous by it's absence.

I wonder why.
Sea Museum again eh, I could probably set my watch by you.

A rather weak defense of the indefensible.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: In my opinion, what Williams and Morrell agreed was an internal matter for the ruling Labour group, and had no effect on the way that the city was run, nor did it have any financial repercussions on the local council tax payers. The Echo, noted for it's politically unbiased reporting, made a big deal out of it which has resulted in Williams doing the honourable thing, resigning. If The Echo were to be consistent, then surely it should have 'hounded out of office' the local politician who lied when he claimed that the new Maritime Museum would not cost local taxpayers a penny, as it was to be funded by grants and donations. That untruth has had a far bigger effect on Southampton's citizens, but The Echo's campaign was conspicuous by it's absence. I wonder why.[/p][/quote]Sea Museum again eh, I could probably set my watch by you. A rather weak defense of the indefensible. Shoong
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12:33pm Fri 26 Apr 13

lisa whitemore says...

james47 wrote:
Ssaintsgirl wrote:
It's a great pity that the city has lost such a committed local politician. I'm not saying that what Richard Williams did wasn't wrong. But I feel his loyalty to his new administration at an early stage in his tenure may well have contributed to his reasons for acting in the way he did.

Unfortunately Cllr morrell must shoulder some of the blame in having accepted a role followed by his hasty U turn. Finally, I would have expected a much more professional approach from the departed Communications Director who on a very generous salary should have been much more adept at dealing with the trials and tribulations of local politics.
I have just had my morning chuckle....right.... Richard Williams a "committed" local politician....self serving and a proven Labour Liar perhaps....

And your trying to blame council staff whom have been purposefully and wilfully lied to by Labour Liars Williams and Jacqui Rayment is in my opinion quite odd.

Labour = Liars

People of Southampton wake up.
Quite agree James!
[quote][p][bold]james47[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ssaintsgirl[/bold] wrote: It's a great pity that the city has lost such a committed local politician. I'm not saying that what Richard Williams did wasn't wrong. But I feel his loyalty to his new administration at an early stage in his tenure may well have contributed to his reasons for acting in the way he did. Unfortunately Cllr morrell must shoulder some of the blame in having accepted a role followed by his hasty U turn. Finally, I would have expected a much more professional approach from the departed Communications Director who on a very generous salary should have been much more adept at dealing with the trials and tribulations of local politics.[/p][/quote]I have just had my morning chuckle....right.... Richard Williams a "committed" local politician....self serving and a proven Labour Liar perhaps.... And your trying to blame council staff whom have been purposefully and wilfully lied to by Labour Liars Williams and Jacqui Rayment is in my opinion quite odd. Labour = Liars People of Southampton wake up.[/p][/quote]Quite agree James! lisa whitemore
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12:40pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Terry_Nutkins says...

I hope we get someone good to replace him because the council have, historically, really capitalised on the town's assets Our close proximity to London, central position for tourism, maritime and medieval heritage, cruise liner destination and improved the city no end by developing the waterfront to showcase the city while building a marina to rival Monaco.........OH!!

Still, the vacuum of sporting and leisure facilities as well as the artistic and cultural vacuum have a big shock and look to be rejuvenated by exciting new construction and finally some prosperity..........
.....OHHHH, more shops, restaurants and cimemas!

SCC - The guide book on how to keep a city stale!!!

Please appoint someone to shake up and change the council. We have to be the most inept council on planet earth to have consistency squandered such potential. Or, no-one really wants to invest in Southampton because it's now a losing battle.

While they're there, spend time in making decent and robust policies which you don't spend millions changing in a few years time rather than futile political point scoring! Oh, and resurface the roads. Only this time, do it with the correct grade tarmac and not the cheapest available!!
I hope we get someone good to replace him because the council have, historically, really capitalised on the town's assets Our close proximity to London, central position for tourism, maritime and medieval heritage, cruise liner destination and improved the city no end by developing the waterfront to showcase the city while building a marina to rival Monaco.........OH!! Still, the vacuum of sporting and leisure facilities as well as the artistic and cultural vacuum have a big shock and look to be rejuvenated by exciting new construction and finally some prosperity.......... .....OHHHH, more shops, restaurants and cimemas! SCC - The guide book on how to keep a city stale!!! Please appoint someone to shake up and change the council. We have to be the most inept council on planet earth to have consistency squandered such potential. Or, no-one really wants to invest in Southampton because it's now a losing battle. While they're there, spend time in making decent and robust policies which you don't spend millions changing in a few years time rather than futile political point scoring! Oh, and resurface the roads. Only this time, do it with the correct grade tarmac and not the cheapest available!! Terry_Nutkins
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12:42pm Fri 26 Apr 13

lisa whitemore says...

Ssaintsgirl wrote:
Vote Tory and watch your local children's services desecrated. Morale in the council at an all time low and quality services a thing of the past.

Unfortunately any party picking up the reins from the Tories would have had to spend, as Labour are, rebuilding a Council shattered by Tory rule with a CEO eating out of their hands!
or vote Labour, who are Liers,Decietful,Ruth
less,Heartless and out for themselves??? No Thanks, we need a new party who is for the people!
[quote][p][bold]Ssaintsgirl[/bold] wrote: Vote Tory and watch your local children's services desecrated. Morale in the council at an all time low and quality services a thing of the past. Unfortunately any party picking up the reins from the Tories would have had to spend, as Labour are, rebuilding a Council shattered by Tory rule with a CEO eating out of their hands![/p][/quote]or vote Labour, who are Liers,Decietful,Ruth less,Heartless and out for themselves??? No Thanks, we need a new party who is for the people! lisa whitemore
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12:43pm Fri 26 Apr 13

03alpe01 says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Linesman get over the Sea Museum it is a success people like it, it tells the history of Southampton, it unites the city, it will educate children for generations to come, the staff are great.
The Labour mayor loves it.
Vote Tory Linesman for an honest bunch who try to make this city a greater success.
Have a stress free day.
Will Sea City be a long term success? The figures shown are only for the year that it would make the most money (Titanic 100th Anniversary). With the main exhibit only temporary, will it be a long term success?
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Linesman get over the Sea Museum it is a success people like it, it tells the history of Southampton, it unites the city, it will educate children for generations to come, the staff are great. The Labour mayor loves it. Vote Tory Linesman for an honest bunch who try to make this city a greater success. Have a stress free day.[/p][/quote]Will Sea City be a long term success? The figures shown are only for the year that it would make the most money (Titanic 100th Anniversary). With the main exhibit only temporary, will it be a long term success? 03alpe01
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12:45pm Fri 26 Apr 13

lisa whitemore says...

tootle wrote:
Since the new leader was also mentioned as at fault in the report(from what has been reported) was it wise electing her as Leader?.
Most Definately Not A Wise Move! Still I Wont ever trust Labour
[quote][p][bold]tootle[/bold] wrote: Since the new leader was also mentioned as at fault in the report(from what has been reported) was it wise electing her as Leader?.[/p][/quote]Most Definately Not A Wise Move! Still I Wont ever trust Labour lisa whitemore
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12:47pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Taskforce 141 says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
William was correct to resign.
Now Labour must stop lying, smearing and bulling.
Vote TORY at the election for an honest party.
Pahhahahahaha

the best joke i have heard in a while! hold on a minute whilst i write that one down...

Tory...hahahaha... Honest? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

oh this one is too much - crying with laughter.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: William was correct to resign. Now Labour must stop lying, smearing and bulling. Vote TORY at the election for an honest party.[/p][/quote]Pahhahahahaha the best joke i have heard in a while! hold on a minute whilst i write that one down... Tory...hahahaha... Honest? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAA oh this one is too much - crying with laughter. Taskforce 141
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12:51pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Taskforce 141 says...

Terry_Nutkins wrote:
I hope we get someone good to replace him because the council have, historically, really capitalised on the town's assets Our close proximity to London, central position for tourism, maritime and medieval heritage, cruise liner destination and improved the city no end by developing the waterfront to showcase the city while building a marina to rival Monaco.........OH!!

Still, the vacuum of sporting and leisure facilities as well as the artistic and cultural vacuum have a big shock and look to be rejuvenated by exciting new construction and finally some prosperity..........

.....OHHHH, more shops, restaurants and cimemas!

SCC - The guide book on how to keep a city stale!!!

Please appoint someone to shake up and change the council. We have to be the most inept council on planet earth to have consistency squandered such potential. Or, no-one really wants to invest in Southampton because it's now a losing battle.

While they're there, spend time in making decent and robust policies which you don't spend millions changing in a few years time rather than futile political point scoring! Oh, and resurface the roads. Only this time, do it with the correct grade tarmac and not the cheapest available!!
Bang On!
[quote][p][bold]Terry_Nutkins[/bold] wrote: I hope we get someone good to replace him because the council have, historically, really capitalised on the town's assets Our close proximity to London, central position for tourism, maritime and medieval heritage, cruise liner destination and improved the city no end by developing the waterfront to showcase the city while building a marina to rival Monaco.........OH!! Still, the vacuum of sporting and leisure facilities as well as the artistic and cultural vacuum have a big shock and look to be rejuvenated by exciting new construction and finally some prosperity.......... .....OHHHH, more shops, restaurants and cimemas! SCC - The guide book on how to keep a city stale!!! Please appoint someone to shake up and change the council. We have to be the most inept council on planet earth to have consistency squandered such potential. Or, no-one really wants to invest in Southampton because it's now a losing battle. While they're there, spend time in making decent and robust policies which you don't spend millions changing in a few years time rather than futile political point scoring! Oh, and resurface the roads. Only this time, do it with the correct grade tarmac and not the cheapest available!![/p][/quote]Bang On! Taskforce 141
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12:53pm Fri 26 Apr 13

George4th says...

03alpe01 wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Linesman get over the Sea Museum it is a success people like it, it tells the history of Southampton, it unites the city, it will educate children for generations to come, the staff are great.
The Labour mayor loves it.
Vote Tory Linesman for an honest bunch who try to make this city a greater success.
Have a stress free day.
Will Sea City be a long term success? The figures shown are only for the year that it would make the most money (Titanic 100th Anniversary). With the main exhibit only temporary, will it be a long term success?
Will the Unions rejuvenate Southampton? Will the Labour Council suddenly discover commercialism? Will Southampton continue to be a Labour Oasis in the desert of the South? Will Labour ever wake up?!
>
The Tories had the strategy and the plans to bring Southampton into the 21st Century. And what happened? The small minority of Southampton citizens who voted managed to vote the Labour Failures back into office!! How crazy was that?!
>
The Labour supporting Citizens of Southampton have to take the blame for the lack of progress in our well placed City.
>
There is a rivalry between Southampton and Portsmouth - Southampton may have the better football team but Portsmouth is way out in front as a City!
>
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Linesman get over the Sea Museum it is a success people like it, it tells the history of Southampton, it unites the city, it will educate children for generations to come, the staff are great. The Labour mayor loves it. Vote Tory Linesman for an honest bunch who try to make this city a greater success. Have a stress free day.[/p][/quote]Will Sea City be a long term success? The figures shown are only for the year that it would make the most money (Titanic 100th Anniversary). With the main exhibit only temporary, will it be a long term success?[/p][/quote]Will the Unions rejuvenate Southampton? Will the Labour Council suddenly discover commercialism? Will Southampton continue to be a Labour Oasis in the desert of the South? Will Labour ever wake up?! > The Tories had the strategy and the plans to bring Southampton into the 21st Century. And what happened? The small minority of Southampton citizens who voted managed to vote the Labour Failures back into office!! How crazy was that?! > The Labour supporting Citizens of Southampton have to take the blame for the lack of progress in our well placed City. > There is a rivalry between Southampton and Portsmouth - Southampton may have the better football team but Portsmouth is way out in front as a City! > George4th
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1:17pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Bagamn says...

George4th wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Linesman get over the Sea Museum it is a success people like it, it tells the history of Southampton, it unites the city, it will educate children for generations to come, the staff are great.
The Labour mayor loves it.
Vote Tory Linesman for an honest bunch who try to make this city a greater success.
Have a stress free day.
Will Sea City be a long term success? The figures shown are only for the year that it would make the most money (Titanic 100th Anniversary). With the main exhibit only temporary, will it be a long term success?
Will the Unions rejuvenate Southampton? Will the Labour Council suddenly discover commercialism? Will Southampton continue to be a Labour Oasis in the desert of the South? Will Labour ever wake up?!
>
The Tories had the strategy and the plans to bring Southampton into the 21st Century. And what happened? The small minority of Southampton citizens who voted managed to vote the Labour Failures back into office!! How crazy was that?!
>
The Labour supporting Citizens of Southampton have to take the blame for the lack of progress in our well placed City.
>
There is a rivalry between Southampton and Portsmouth - Southampton may have the better football team but Portsmouth is way out in front as a City!
>
You had your chance whilst in power, and you fluffed it. All we got was a museum! Not a lot to be boasting about and slagging off everyone else. If you think Portsmouth is doing so great, why don't you read the proper press and get the truth.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Linesman get over the Sea Museum it is a success people like it, it tells the history of Southampton, it unites the city, it will educate children for generations to come, the staff are great. The Labour mayor loves it. Vote Tory Linesman for an honest bunch who try to make this city a greater success. Have a stress free day.[/p][/quote]Will Sea City be a long term success? The figures shown are only for the year that it would make the most money (Titanic 100th Anniversary). With the main exhibit only temporary, will it be a long term success?[/p][/quote]Will the Unions rejuvenate Southampton? Will the Labour Council suddenly discover commercialism? Will Southampton continue to be a Labour Oasis in the desert of the South? Will Labour ever wake up?! > The Tories had the strategy and the plans to bring Southampton into the 21st Century. And what happened? The small minority of Southampton citizens who voted managed to vote the Labour Failures back into office!! How crazy was that?! > The Labour supporting Citizens of Southampton have to take the blame for the lack of progress in our well placed City. > There is a rivalry between Southampton and Portsmouth - Southampton may have the better football team but Portsmouth is way out in front as a City! >[/p][/quote]You had your chance whilst in power, and you fluffed it. All we got was a museum! Not a lot to be boasting about and slagging off everyone else. If you think Portsmouth is doing so great, why don't you read the proper press and get the truth. Bagamn
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1:19pm Fri 26 Apr 13

waltons11 says...

I was persuaded to vote Labour in the last elections with promises of a better life (!!). I had never voted Labour before and I have to say I never will again. I feel totally disollusioned with this Council and I also do not see how Ms Rayment can stand in as leader when she also admitted being involved in this cover up - the whole thing is shocking and only goes to reinforce for me my terrible mistake in voting - never again!!
I was persuaded to vote Labour in the last elections with promises of a better life (!!). I had never voted Labour before and I have to say I never will again. I feel totally disollusioned with this Council and I also do not see how Ms Rayment can stand in as leader when she also admitted being involved in this cover up - the whole thing is shocking and only goes to reinforce for me my terrible mistake in voting - never again!! waltons11
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1:23pm Fri 26 Apr 13

kingnotail says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
William was correct to resign.
Now Labour must stop lying, smearing and bulling.
Vote TORY at the election for an honest party.
Honest party? You are taking the p1ss surely. Vote Tory for ideological cuts and ever-widening social division.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: William was correct to resign. Now Labour must stop lying, smearing and bulling. Vote TORY at the election for an honest party.[/p][/quote]Honest party? You are taking the p1ss surely. Vote Tory for ideological cuts and ever-widening social division. kingnotail
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1:33pm Fri 26 Apr 13

kingnotail says...

George4th wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Linesman get over the Sea Museum it is a success people like it, it tells the history of Southampton, it unites the city, it will educate children for generations to come, the staff are great.
The Labour mayor loves it.
Vote Tory Linesman for an honest bunch who try to make this city a greater success.
Have a stress free day.
Will Sea City be a long term success? The figures shown are only for the year that it would make the most money (Titanic 100th Anniversary). With the main exhibit only temporary, will it be a long term success?
Will the Unions rejuvenate Southampton? Will the Labour Council suddenly discover commercialism? Will Southampton continue to be a Labour Oasis in the desert of the South? Will Labour ever wake up?!
>
The Tories had the strategy and the plans to bring Southampton into the 21st Century. And what happened? The small minority of Southampton citizens who voted managed to vote the Labour Failures back into office!! How crazy was that?!
>
The Labour supporting Citizens of Southampton have to take the blame for the lack of progress in our well placed City.
>
There is a rivalry between Southampton and Portsmouth - Southampton may have the better football team but Portsmouth is way out in front as a City!
>
Hmm. Sorry but the Tories won't save you, I doubt anyone can when you are talking about a city with a seriously backwards-looking and unaspirational attitude. Look at all the big cities which have rejuvenated themselves over the past two decades - you won't find many of those with Tory councils. Liverpool would be a prime example, and 'Tory' is a four-letter word there! But it takes more than a council of a particular political persuasion to reinvigorate a city.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Linesman get over the Sea Museum it is a success people like it, it tells the history of Southampton, it unites the city, it will educate children for generations to come, the staff are great. The Labour mayor loves it. Vote Tory Linesman for an honest bunch who try to make this city a greater success. Have a stress free day.[/p][/quote]Will Sea City be a long term success? The figures shown are only for the year that it would make the most money (Titanic 100th Anniversary). With the main exhibit only temporary, will it be a long term success?[/p][/quote]Will the Unions rejuvenate Southampton? Will the Labour Council suddenly discover commercialism? Will Southampton continue to be a Labour Oasis in the desert of the South? Will Labour ever wake up?! > The Tories had the strategy and the plans to bring Southampton into the 21st Century. And what happened? The small minority of Southampton citizens who voted managed to vote the Labour Failures back into office!! How crazy was that?! > The Labour supporting Citizens of Southampton have to take the blame for the lack of progress in our well placed City. > There is a rivalry between Southampton and Portsmouth - Southampton may have the better football team but Portsmouth is way out in front as a City! >[/p][/quote]Hmm. Sorry but the Tories won't save you, I doubt anyone can when you are talking about a city with a seriously backwards-looking and unaspirational attitude. Look at all the big cities which have rejuvenated themselves over the past two decades - you won't find many of those with Tory councils. Liverpool would be a prime example, and 'Tory' is a four-letter word there! But it takes more than a council of a particular political persuasion to reinvigorate a city. kingnotail
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1:35pm Fri 26 Apr 13

kingnotail says...

Bagamn wrote:
George4th wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Linesman get over the Sea Museum it is a success people like it, it tells the history of Southampton, it unites the city, it will educate children for generations to come, the staff are great.
The Labour mayor loves it.
Vote Tory Linesman for an honest bunch who try to make this city a greater success.
Have a stress free day.
Will Sea City be a long term success? The figures shown are only for the year that it would make the most money (Titanic 100th Anniversary). With the main exhibit only temporary, will it be a long term success?
Will the Unions rejuvenate Southampton? Will the Labour Council suddenly discover commercialism? Will Southampton continue to be a Labour Oasis in the desert of the South? Will Labour ever wake up?!
>
The Tories had the strategy and the plans to bring Southampton into the 21st Century. And what happened? The small minority of Southampton citizens who voted managed to vote the Labour Failures back into office!! How crazy was that?!
>
The Labour supporting Citizens of Southampton have to take the blame for the lack of progress in our well placed City.
>
There is a rivalry between Southampton and Portsmouth - Southampton may have the better football team but Portsmouth is way out in front as a City!
>
You had your chance whilst in power, and you fluffed it. All we got was a museum! Not a lot to be boasting about and slagging off everyone else. If you think Portsmouth is doing so great, why don't you read the proper press and get the truth.
In terms of amenities, tourism etc., Portsmouth is light years ahead of Southampton.
[quote][p][bold]Bagamn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Linesman get over the Sea Museum it is a success people like it, it tells the history of Southampton, it unites the city, it will educate children for generations to come, the staff are great. The Labour mayor loves it. Vote Tory Linesman for an honest bunch who try to make this city a greater success. Have a stress free day.[/p][/quote]Will Sea City be a long term success? The figures shown are only for the year that it would make the most money (Titanic 100th Anniversary). With the main exhibit only temporary, will it be a long term success?[/p][/quote]Will the Unions rejuvenate Southampton? Will the Labour Council suddenly discover commercialism? Will Southampton continue to be a Labour Oasis in the desert of the South? Will Labour ever wake up?! > The Tories had the strategy and the plans to bring Southampton into the 21st Century. And what happened? The small minority of Southampton citizens who voted managed to vote the Labour Failures back into office!! How crazy was that?! > The Labour supporting Citizens of Southampton have to take the blame for the lack of progress in our well placed City. > There is a rivalry between Southampton and Portsmouth - Southampton may have the better football team but Portsmouth is way out in front as a City! >[/p][/quote]You had your chance whilst in power, and you fluffed it. All we got was a museum! Not a lot to be boasting about and slagging off everyone else. If you think Portsmouth is doing so great, why don't you read the proper press and get the truth.[/p][/quote]In terms of amenities, tourism etc., Portsmouth is light years ahead of Southampton. kingnotail
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1:40pm Fri 26 Apr 13

George4th says...

kingnotail wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
William was correct to resign.
Now Labour must stop lying, smearing and bulling.
Vote TORY at the election for an honest party.
Honest party? You are taking the p1ss surely. Vote Tory for ideological cuts and ever-widening social division.
"Vote Tory for ideological cuts and ever-widening social division."

Very amusing given that for the first time ever in history the last Labour Government WIDENED THE GAP between the have and the have nots!!!
[quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: William was correct to resign. Now Labour must stop lying, smearing and bulling. Vote TORY at the election for an honest party.[/p][/quote]Honest party? You are taking the p1ss surely. Vote Tory for ideological cuts and ever-widening social division.[/p][/quote]"Vote Tory for ideological cuts and ever-widening social division." Very amusing given that for the first time ever in history the last Labour Government WIDENED THE GAP between the have and the have nots!!! George4th
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1:44pm Fri 26 Apr 13

03alpe01 says...

kingnotail wrote:
Bagamn wrote:
George4th wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Linesman get over the Sea Museum it is a success people like it, it tells the history of Southampton, it unites the city, it will educate children for generations to come, the staff are great.
The Labour mayor loves it.
Vote Tory Linesman for an honest bunch who try to make this city a greater success.
Have a stress free day.
Will Sea City be a long term success? The figures shown are only for the year that it would make the most money (Titanic 100th Anniversary). With the main exhibit only temporary, will it be a long term success?
Will the Unions rejuvenate Southampton? Will the Labour Council suddenly discover commercialism? Will Southampton continue to be a Labour Oasis in the desert of the South? Will Labour ever wake up?!
>
The Tories had the strategy and the plans to bring Southampton into the 21st Century. And what happened? The small minority of Southampton citizens who voted managed to vote the Labour Failures back into office!! How crazy was that?!
>
The Labour supporting Citizens of Southampton have to take the blame for the lack of progress in our well placed City.
>
There is a rivalry between Southampton and Portsmouth - Southampton may have the better football team but Portsmouth is way out in front as a City!
>
You had your chance whilst in power, and you fluffed it. All we got was a museum! Not a lot to be boasting about and slagging off everyone else. If you think Portsmouth is doing so great, why don't you read the proper press and get the truth.
In terms of amenities, tourism etc., Portsmouth is light years ahead of Southampton.
And forever will be. We're lucky that the rivalry between Southampton and Portsmouth is almost entirely football based because if it wasn't, we'd be ****ed!

Southampton for football

Portsmouth for everything else
[quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bagamn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Linesman get over the Sea Museum it is a success people like it, it tells the history of Southampton, it unites the city, it will educate children for generations to come, the staff are great. The Labour mayor loves it. Vote Tory Linesman for an honest bunch who try to make this city a greater success. Have a stress free day.[/p][/quote]Will Sea City be a long term success? The figures shown are only for the year that it would make the most money (Titanic 100th Anniversary). With the main exhibit only temporary, will it be a long term success?[/p][/quote]Will the Unions rejuvenate Southampton? Will the Labour Council suddenly discover commercialism? Will Southampton continue to be a Labour Oasis in the desert of the South? Will Labour ever wake up?! > The Tories had the strategy and the plans to bring Southampton into the 21st Century. And what happened? The small minority of Southampton citizens who voted managed to vote the Labour Failures back into office!! How crazy was that?! > The Labour supporting Citizens of Southampton have to take the blame for the lack of progress in our well placed City. > There is a rivalry between Southampton and Portsmouth - Southampton may have the better football team but Portsmouth is way out in front as a City! >[/p][/quote]You had your chance whilst in power, and you fluffed it. All we got was a museum! Not a lot to be boasting about and slagging off everyone else. If you think Portsmouth is doing so great, why don't you read the proper press and get the truth.[/p][/quote]In terms of amenities, tourism etc., Portsmouth is light years ahead of Southampton.[/p][/quote]And forever will be. We're lucky that the rivalry between Southampton and Portsmouth is almost entirely football based because if it wasn't, we'd be ****ed! Southampton for football Portsmouth for everything else 03alpe01
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1:46pm Fri 26 Apr 13

kingnotail says...

George4th wrote:
kingnotail wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
William was correct to resign.
Now Labour must stop lying, smearing and bulling.
Vote TORY at the election for an honest party.
Honest party? You are taking the p1ss surely. Vote Tory for ideological cuts and ever-widening social division.
"Vote Tory for ideological cuts and ever-widening social division."

Very amusing given that for the first time ever in history the last Labour Government WIDENED THE GAP between the have and the have nots!!!
Because, aside from the minimum wage and tax credits, they adhered mainly to Thatcherite doctrine.

Labour are Thatcherism-lite. Lesser of two evils.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: William was correct to resign. Now Labour must stop lying, smearing and bulling. Vote TORY at the election for an honest party.[/p][/quote]Honest party? You are taking the p1ss surely. Vote Tory for ideological cuts and ever-widening social division.[/p][/quote]"Vote Tory for ideological cuts and ever-widening social division." Very amusing given that for the first time ever in history the last Labour Government WIDENED THE GAP between the have and the have nots!!![/p][/quote]Because, aside from the minimum wage and tax credits, they adhered mainly to Thatcherite doctrine. Labour are Thatcherism-lite. Lesser of two evils. kingnotail
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2:13pm Fri 26 Apr 13

southy says...

News Fanatic wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Tories ran the council well and would have merged some functions with the IOW saving lots of money.
Labour must modernise and start facing up to the truth.
You have a short memory. I recall piles of rubbish in the streets as a result of the strikes brought about by the Tory-imposed wage cuts.
Now if only Royston Smith would have the bottle and resign also, he no better than williams
[quote][p][bold]News Fanatic[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Tories ran the council well and would have merged some functions with the IOW saving lots of money. Labour must modernise and start facing up to the truth.[/p][/quote]You have a short memory. I recall piles of rubbish in the streets as a result of the strikes brought about by the Tory-imposed wage cuts.[/p][/quote]Now if only Royston Smith would have the bottle and resign also, he no better than williams southy
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2:45pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Might SS says...

Interesting that some posts get taken off if they do nto follow the Eco pomnt of view !!!
Interesting that some posts get taken off if they do nto follow the Eco pomnt of view !!! Might SS
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3:07pm Fri 26 Apr 13

aldermoorboy says...

Citizens of Southampton, vote the Tories back, stop the unions running the council, then we have a chance of making this a greater city than before.
You may even get your council tax reduced, now that would be something Labour would never do.
Citizens of Southampton, vote the Tories back, stop the unions running the council, then we have a chance of making this a greater city than before. You may even get your council tax reduced, now that would be something Labour would never do. aldermoorboy
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3:09pm Fri 26 Apr 13

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
In my opinion, what Williams and Morrell agreed was an internal matter for the ruling Labour group, and had no effect on the way that the city was run, nor did it have any financial repercussions on the local council tax payers.

The Echo, noted for it's politically unbiased reporting, made a big deal out of it which has resulted in Williams doing the honourable thing, resigning.

If The Echo were to be consistent, then surely it should have 'hounded out of office' the local politician who lied when he claimed that the new Maritime Museum would not cost local taxpayers a penny, as it was to be funded by grants and donations.

That untruth has had a far bigger effect on Southampton's citizens, but The Echo's campaign was conspicuous by it's absence.

I wonder why.
So once again you bring the museum into an article about A leader of a Labour party that lied & used it's Union mates to bully this city into voting in Labour.
Exactly what money from Council tax was used?
Royston borrowed money from another council which many councils do,he had hoped to get private donations to cover this loan but they weren't forth coming so he sold an old dilapidated Industrial estate & used the proceeds from the sell to pay of the debt & to keep services running.
So come on when did he raid the council tax?
When did he4 increase council tax to pay for it?
At the time of the sell many left wing & Labour supporters knocked it yet this council has found it has extra revenue thanks to the business rates the new companies that the new owner has bought to the estate so it now looks like a sound business decision so come on let's divert the posts off of the article & show us exactly where Royston took our council tax from to pay for a successful museum or do you want to stick to the article?
Why did Williams attack this paper when he did exactly what he'd said to the journalist once elected?
If Labour knew they were making all these job cuts & service cuts as Williams had said & then denied before the election surely we should never vote for them again?
June Bridle's Labour Council Mark 2.
Ground hog day comes to mind
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: In my opinion, what Williams and Morrell agreed was an internal matter for the ruling Labour group, and had no effect on the way that the city was run, nor did it have any financial repercussions on the local council tax payers. The Echo, noted for it's politically unbiased reporting, made a big deal out of it which has resulted in Williams doing the honourable thing, resigning. If The Echo were to be consistent, then surely it should have 'hounded out of office' the local politician who lied when he claimed that the new Maritime Museum would not cost local taxpayers a penny, as it was to be funded by grants and donations. That untruth has had a far bigger effect on Southampton's citizens, but The Echo's campaign was conspicuous by it's absence. I wonder why.[/p][/quote]So once again you bring the museum into an article about A leader of a Labour party that lied & used it's Union mates to bully this city into voting in Labour. Exactly what money from Council tax was used? Royston borrowed money from another council which many councils do,he had hoped to get private donations to cover this loan but they weren't forth coming so he sold an old dilapidated Industrial estate & used the proceeds from the sell to pay of the debt & to keep services running. So come on when did he raid the council tax? When did he4 increase council tax to pay for it? At the time of the sell many left wing & Labour supporters knocked it yet this council has found it has extra revenue thanks to the business rates the new companies that the new owner has bought to the estate so it now looks like a sound business decision so come on let's divert the posts off of the article & show us exactly where Royston took our council tax from to pay for a successful museum or do you want to stick to the article? Why did Williams attack this paper when he did exactly what he'd said to the journalist once elected? If Labour knew they were making all these job cuts & service cuts as Williams had said & then denied before the election surely we should never vote for them again? June Bridle's Labour Council Mark 2. Ground hog day comes to mind loosehead
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3:12pm Fri 26 Apr 13

southy says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Citizens of Southampton, vote the Tories back, stop the unions running the council, then we have a chance of making this a greater city than before.
You may even get your council tax reduced, now that would be something Labour would never do.
Council tax reduce and have no services, so you end up paying more to have private services
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Citizens of Southampton, vote the Tories back, stop the unions running the council, then we have a chance of making this a greater city than before. You may even get your council tax reduced, now that would be something Labour would never do.[/p][/quote]Council tax reduce and have no services, so you end up paying more to have private services southy
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3:20pm Fri 26 Apr 13

localnews says...

The Tories had the strategy and the plans to bring Southampton into the 21st Century. And what happened? The small minority of Southampton citizens who voted managed to vote the Labour Failures back into office!! How crazy was that?!

And that Paragraph sums up the sad state of affairs ALL politicians have caused with their constant lies and false promises.
Small minority of Southampton voters got Labour in because the majority of people know nothing will change no matter which lying bunch of self centered morons hold the seat
The Tories had the strategy and the plans to bring Southampton into the 21st Century. And what happened? The small minority of Southampton citizens who voted managed to vote the Labour Failures back into office!! How crazy was that?! And that Paragraph sums up the sad state of affairs ALL politicians have caused with their constant lies and false promises. Small minority of Southampton voters got Labour in because the majority of people know nothing will change no matter which lying bunch of self centered morons hold the seat localnews
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3:28pm Fri 26 Apr 13

FoysCornerBoy says...

I have been made aware of a sinister plot to take over the running of our city based on a cunning three point plan:

1. depose Richard Williams as leader of the Council and destabilise the Labour administration (ably assisted by renegades and fifth columnists)

2. flog off the City's art collection and use the proceeds to prop up council services until after the general election when they will be closed down altogether or privatised

3. instal an 'elected' Mayor answerable only to the interests of local big business

The gang of four ('captain' Ian Murray, 'lieutenant' Royston Smith, 'major' Jeremy Moulton and 'sergeant' John Hannides) masterminding this dastardly scheme have now achieved the first of their objectives.

Citizens of Southampton should watch out. Our very democracy is at stake.
I have been made aware of a sinister plot to take over the running of our city based on a cunning three point plan: 1. depose Richard Williams as leader of the Council and destabilise the Labour administration (ably assisted by renegades and fifth columnists) 2. flog off the City's art collection and use the proceeds to prop up council services until after the general election when they will be closed down altogether or privatised 3. instal an 'elected' Mayor answerable only to the interests of local big business The gang of four ('captain' Ian Murray, 'lieutenant' Royston Smith, 'major' Jeremy Moulton and 'sergeant' John Hannides) masterminding this dastardly scheme have now achieved the first of their objectives. Citizens of Southampton should watch out. Our very democracy is at stake. FoysCornerBoy
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3:36pm Fri 26 Apr 13

George4th says...

localnews wrote:
The Tories had the strategy and the plans to bring Southampton into the 21st Century. And what happened? The small minority of Southampton citizens who voted managed to vote the Labour Failures back into office!! How crazy was that?!

And that Paragraph sums up the sad state of affairs ALL politicians have caused with their constant lies and false promises.
Small minority of Southampton voters got Labour in because the majority of people know nothing will change no matter which lying bunch of self centered morons hold the seat
We had roughly (very rough!) 25 years of Labour Councils doing diddly squat for Southampton, even during the economic boom! Our City was still in the 20th century when the Tories came in - and they came in when the economy was in a Labour mess!
And yet they managed to draw up strategies and plans (the like of which were a foreign language to Labour councils!). Despite the economy, the Unions and Labour agitation, they still brought some of these plans to fruition (including the SeaCity Museum) and the future looked a lot brighter.

Then BOOM!, the good citizens of the City of Southampton voted back in the idiots who had failed us miserably in the past and would do so again - as proven!!

Do the Labour party people in Southampton have a handle on being miserable and in a siege like state? It seems to me that they don't want modernisation, new technology, culture, new businesses, new jobs, tourist attractions, opportunities for the young and educated??
It's as if they are locked in the dim and distant past and the world owes them a living!
[quote][p][bold]localnews[/bold] wrote: The Tories had the strategy and the plans to bring Southampton into the 21st Century. And what happened? The small minority of Southampton citizens who voted managed to vote the Labour Failures back into office!! How crazy was that?! And that Paragraph sums up the sad state of affairs ALL politicians have caused with their constant lies and false promises. Small minority of Southampton voters got Labour in because the majority of people know nothing will change no matter which lying bunch of self centered morons hold the seat[/p][/quote]We had roughly (very rough!) 25 years of Labour Councils doing diddly squat for Southampton, even during the economic boom! Our City was still in the 20th century when the Tories came in - and they came in when the economy was in a Labour mess! And yet they managed to draw up strategies and plans (the like of which were a foreign language to Labour councils!). Despite the economy, the Unions and Labour agitation, they still brought some of these plans to fruition (including the SeaCity Museum) and the future looked a lot brighter. Then BOOM!, the good citizens of the City of Southampton voted back in the idiots who had failed us miserably in the past and would do so again - as proven!! Do the Labour party people in Southampton have a handle on being miserable and in a siege like state? It seems to me that they don't want modernisation, new technology, culture, new businesses, new jobs, tourist attractions, opportunities for the young and educated?? It's as if they are locked in the dim and distant past and the world owes them a living! George4th
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3:45pm Fri 26 Apr 13

george h says...

tootle wrote:
Since the new leader was also mentioned as at fault in the report(from what has been reported) was it wise electing her as Leader?.
In a word, ... ... NO.

Apart from her role in this latest bit of dishonesty, - for which she now expresses regret, - but only after being found out and fingered in the independent report, the new leader is a divisive personality as shown by her behaviour in sticking a knife in her own leader's back. ("Wants election as an MP, MEP and rule the world").

She is incapable of uniting the Labour Group and showing an effective alternative to the Tories. There will be more trouble and strife within the group with this inadequate as leader. The Tories must be sniggering up their sleeves, because she's a gift to them, when better candidates who would strike fear into the Tories are there on the Labour front bench.

And a thoroughly nasty piece of work say those with earlier acquaintance with Rayment. Remember this person has a long track record of dishonesty. One example was being disciplined as Chair of the former police authority for leaking personal details of a respected Hampshire police sergeant to the press after a Metropolitan Police inquiry found him blameless and said that his identity should not be disclosed.

Whatever polish the Labour Party put on this it needs to be remembered that you cannot polish a turd.
[quote][p][bold]tootle[/bold] wrote: Since the new leader was also mentioned as at fault in the report(from what has been reported) was it wise electing her as Leader?.[/p][/quote]In a word, ... ... NO. Apart from her role in this latest bit of dishonesty, - for which she now expresses regret, - but only after being found out and fingered in the independent report, the new leader is a divisive personality as shown by her behaviour in sticking a knife in her own leader's back. ("Wants election as an MP, MEP and rule the world"). She is incapable of uniting the Labour Group and showing an effective alternative to the Tories. There will be more trouble and strife within the group with this inadequate as leader. The Tories must be sniggering up their sleeves, because she's a gift to them, when better candidates who would strike fear into the Tories are there on the Labour front bench. And a thoroughly nasty piece of work say those with earlier acquaintance with Rayment. Remember this person has a long track record of dishonesty. One example was being disciplined as Chair of the former police authority for leaking personal details of a respected Hampshire police sergeant to the press after a Metropolitan Police inquiry found him blameless and said that his identity should not be disclosed. Whatever polish the Labour Party put on this it needs to be remembered that you cannot polish a turd. george h
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3:58pm Fri 26 Apr 13

george h says...

Linesman wrote:
In my opinion, what Williams and Morrell agreed was an internal matter for the ruling Labour group, and had no effect on the way that the city was run, nor did it have any financial repercussions on the local council tax payers.

The Echo, noted for it's politically unbiased reporting, made a big deal out of it which has resulted in Williams doing the honourable thing, resigning.

If The Echo were to be consistent, then surely it should have 'hounded out of office' the local politician who lied when he claimed that the new Maritime Museum would not cost local taxpayers a penny, as it was to be funded by grants and donations.

That untruth has had a far bigger effect on Southampton's citizens, but The Echo's campaign was conspicuous by it's absence.

I wonder why.
Dishonesty is never, ever, an internal party matter, - except perhaps in the old Soviet system.

Williams and co didn't lie to their party, - they lied to the electorate, and they involved city officials paid for from our taxes in their lies.

That is why there are codes of conduct, national guidelines, and city officers are empowered to hold an inquiry, again paid for from taxation.

That is never, ever, a private party matter. Fact!

You are however free to hold any "opinion" that pleases you. I'm certain David Icke will welcome you to the fold.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: In my opinion, what Williams and Morrell agreed was an internal matter for the ruling Labour group, and had no effect on the way that the city was run, nor did it have any financial repercussions on the local council tax payers. The Echo, noted for it's politically unbiased reporting, made a big deal out of it which has resulted in Williams doing the honourable thing, resigning. If The Echo were to be consistent, then surely it should have 'hounded out of office' the local politician who lied when he claimed that the new Maritime Museum would not cost local taxpayers a penny, as it was to be funded by grants and donations. That untruth has had a far bigger effect on Southampton's citizens, but The Echo's campaign was conspicuous by it's absence. I wonder why.[/p][/quote]Dishonesty is never, ever, an internal party matter, - except perhaps in the old Soviet system. Williams and co didn't lie to their party, - they lied to the electorate, and they involved city officials paid for from our taxes in their lies. That is why there are codes of conduct, national guidelines, and city officers are empowered to hold an inquiry, again paid for from taxation. That is never, ever, a private party matter. Fact! You are however free to hold any "opinion" that pleases you. I'm certain David Icke will welcome you to the fold. george h
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4:10pm Fri 26 Apr 13

localnews says...

George4th wrote:
localnews wrote:
The Tories had the strategy and the plans to bring Southampton into the 21st Century. And what happened? The small minority of Southampton citizens who voted managed to vote the Labour Failures back into office!! How crazy was that?!

And that Paragraph sums up the sad state of affairs ALL politicians have caused with their constant lies and false promises.
Small minority of Southampton voters got Labour in because the majority of people know nothing will change no matter which lying bunch of self centered morons hold the seat
We had roughly (very rough!) 25 years of Labour Councils doing diddly squat for Southampton, even during the economic boom! Our City was still in the 20th century when the Tories came in - and they came in when the economy was in a Labour mess!
And yet they managed to draw up strategies and plans (the like of which were a foreign language to Labour councils!). Despite the economy, the Unions and Labour agitation, they still brought some of these plans to fruition (including the SeaCity Museum) and the future looked a lot brighter.

Then BOOM!, the good citizens of the City of Southampton voted back in the idiots who had failed us miserably in the past and would do so again - as proven!!

Do the Labour party people in Southampton have a handle on being miserable and in a siege like state? It seems to me that they don't want modernisation, new technology, culture, new businesses, new jobs, tourist attractions, opportunities for the young and educated??
It's as if they are locked in the dim and distant past and the world owes them a living!
You can spout your Tory drivel as much as you like and your entitled to your opinion,I personally will never trust ANY party as long as central government put other countries ahead of their own people which is how I see things when we give Billions in aid whilst forcing austerity on our own.
I work hard to pay my way and make sure my Family are looked after and if I can help the less fortunate after that fact then I would maybe try,But in difficult time's I would never put others before my own like our government do
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]localnews[/bold] wrote: The Tories had the strategy and the plans to bring Southampton into the 21st Century. And what happened? The small minority of Southampton citizens who voted managed to vote the Labour Failures back into office!! How crazy was that?! And that Paragraph sums up the sad state of affairs ALL politicians have caused with their constant lies and false promises. Small minority of Southampton voters got Labour in because the majority of people know nothing will change no matter which lying bunch of self centered morons hold the seat[/p][/quote]We had roughly (very rough!) 25 years of Labour Councils doing diddly squat for Southampton, even during the economic boom! Our City was still in the 20th century when the Tories came in - and they came in when the economy was in a Labour mess! And yet they managed to draw up strategies and plans (the like of which were a foreign language to Labour councils!). Despite the economy, the Unions and Labour agitation, they still brought some of these plans to fruition (including the SeaCity Museum) and the future looked a lot brighter. Then BOOM!, the good citizens of the City of Southampton voted back in the idiots who had failed us miserably in the past and would do so again - as proven!! Do the Labour party people in Southampton have a handle on being miserable and in a siege like state? It seems to me that they don't want modernisation, new technology, culture, new businesses, new jobs, tourist attractions, opportunities for the young and educated?? It's as if they are locked in the dim and distant past and the world owes them a living![/p][/quote]You can spout your Tory drivel as much as you like and your entitled to your opinion,I personally will never trust ANY party as long as central government put other countries ahead of their own people which is how I see things when we give Billions in aid whilst forcing austerity on our own. I work hard to pay my way and make sure my Family are looked after and if I can help the less fortunate after that fact then I would maybe try,But in difficult time's I would never put others before my own like our government do localnews
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4:25pm Fri 26 Apr 13

The Watcher says...

What I simply don't understand is when will Politicians of all Political persuasions realise that their lies will eventually come undone?
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From Archer, to Aitken, to Huhne, to Williams, why do they all think they are above the realms of honesty?
.
Honourable for him to step down, but stupid to attempt to lie about things in the first instance.
What I simply don't understand is when will Politicians of all Political persuasions realise that their lies will eventually come undone? . From Archer, to Aitken, to Huhne, to Williams, why do they all think they are above the realms of honesty? . Honourable for him to step down, but stupid to attempt to lie about things in the first instance. The Watcher
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4:27pm Fri 26 Apr 13

southy says...

george h wrote:
tootle wrote:
Since the new leader was also mentioned as at fault in the report(from what has been reported) was it wise electing her as Leader?.
In a word, ... ... NO.

Apart from her role in this latest bit of dishonesty, - for which she now expresses regret, - but only after being found out and fingered in the independent report, the new leader is a divisive personality as shown by her behaviour in sticking a knife in her own leader's back. ("Wants election as an MP, MEP and rule the world").

She is incapable of uniting the Labour Group and showing an effective alternative to the Tories. There will be more trouble and strife within the group with this inadequate as leader. The Tories must be sniggering up their sleeves, because she's a gift to them, when better candidates who would strike fear into the Tories are there on the Labour front bench.

And a thoroughly nasty piece of work say those with earlier acquaintance with Rayment. Remember this person has a long track record of dishonesty. One example was being disciplined as Chair of the former police authority for leaking personal details of a respected Hampshire police sergeant to the press after a Metropolitan Police inquiry found him blameless and said that his identity should not be disclosed.

Whatever polish the Labour Party put on this it needs to be remembered that you cannot polish a turd.
again little shown how things work, she as in Cllr Rayment as not been elected in echo as that wrong Cllr Rayment is the deputy leader and automatically steps in as leader till the Labour Party elects a new party leader, another words Cllr Rayment is just a caretaker leader
[quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tootle[/bold] wrote: Since the new leader was also mentioned as at fault in the report(from what has been reported) was it wise electing her as Leader?.[/p][/quote]In a word, ... ... NO. Apart from her role in this latest bit of dishonesty, - for which she now expresses regret, - but only after being found out and fingered in the independent report, the new leader is a divisive personality as shown by her behaviour in sticking a knife in her own leader's back. ("Wants election as an MP, MEP and rule the world"). She is incapable of uniting the Labour Group and showing an effective alternative to the Tories. There will be more trouble and strife within the group with this inadequate as leader. The Tories must be sniggering up their sleeves, because she's a gift to them, when better candidates who would strike fear into the Tories are there on the Labour front bench. And a thoroughly nasty piece of work say those with earlier acquaintance with Rayment. Remember this person has a long track record of dishonesty. One example was being disciplined as Chair of the former police authority for leaking personal details of a respected Hampshire police sergeant to the press after a Metropolitan Police inquiry found him blameless and said that his identity should not be disclosed. Whatever polish the Labour Party put on this it needs to be remembered that you cannot polish a turd.[/p][/quote]again little shown how things work, she as in Cllr Rayment as not been elected in echo as that wrong Cllr Rayment is the deputy leader and automatically steps in as leader till the Labour Party elects a new party leader, another words Cllr Rayment is just a caretaker leader southy
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4:30pm Fri 26 Apr 13

southy says...

The Watcher wrote:
What I simply don't understand is when will Politicians of all Political persuasions realise that their lies will eventually come undone?
.
From Archer, to Aitken, to Huhne, to Williams, why do they all think they are above the realms of honesty?
.
Honourable for him to step down, but stupid to attempt to lie about things in the first instance.
you miss out royston
[quote][p][bold]The Watcher[/bold] wrote: What I simply don't understand is when will Politicians of all Political persuasions realise that their lies will eventually come undone? . From Archer, to Aitken, to Huhne, to Williams, why do they all think they are above the realms of honesty? . Honourable for him to step down, but stupid to attempt to lie about things in the first instance.[/p][/quote]you miss out royston southy
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4:37pm Fri 26 Apr 13

cliffwalker says...

I'm glad Mr Williams has done the right thing at long last but I can't help feeling that it might have been better to have had a clean sweep and that his deputy should have gone too. How can the Labour group be seen to start over with a clean sheet while those associated with the previous leader stay in senior position?
I'm glad Mr Williams has done the right thing at long last but I can't help feeling that it might have been better to have had a clean sweep and that his deputy should have gone too. How can the Labour group be seen to start over with a clean sheet while those associated with the previous leader stay in senior position? cliffwalker
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4:58pm Fri 26 Apr 13

George4th says...

The Watcher wrote:
What I simply don't understand is when will Politicians of all Political persuasions realise that their lies will eventually come undone?
.
From Archer, to Aitken, to Huhne, to Williams, why do they all think they are above the realms of honesty?
.
Honourable for him to step down, but stupid to attempt to lie about things in the first instance.
Interestingly, Labour supporters never mention Labour politicians in the same light as Tories or LibDems and yet Labour have/had some of the worst liars, cheats, adulterers, miscreants, ever to walk the planet!!
>
It's the same as blaming the bankers for all their ills - how come Labour supporters do not pin our demise on the Unions, especially the 60s and 70s, for causing the decline of all our State Owned Industries and all our Heavy Industries through overmanning, bad practice and downright stupidity?!
>
Twice we have been Bankrupted by a Labour government and yet it is all the Bankers fault!!! 26 years we had under Wilson, Callaghan, Blair and Browne and yet they did nothing of any note and allowed the country to go down the economic pan!
>
And you wonder why I wouldn't support Labour!!
[quote][p][bold]The Watcher[/bold] wrote: What I simply don't understand is when will Politicians of all Political persuasions realise that their lies will eventually come undone? . From Archer, to Aitken, to Huhne, to Williams, why do they all think they are above the realms of honesty? . Honourable for him to step down, but stupid to attempt to lie about things in the first instance.[/p][/quote]Interestingly, Labour supporters never mention Labour politicians in the same light as Tories or LibDems and yet Labour have/had some of the worst liars, cheats, adulterers, miscreants, ever to walk the planet!! > It's the same as blaming the bankers for all their ills - how come Labour supporters do not pin our demise on the Unions, especially the 60s and 70s, for causing the decline of all our State Owned Industries and all our Heavy Industries through overmanning, bad practice and downright stupidity?! > Twice we have been Bankrupted by a Labour government and yet it is all the Bankers fault!!! 26 years we had under Wilson, Callaghan, Blair and Browne and yet they did nothing of any note and allowed the country to go down the economic pan! > And you wonder why I wouldn't support Labour!! George4th
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4:59pm Fri 26 Apr 13

The Watcher says...

southy wrote:
The Watcher wrote:
What I simply don't understand is when will Politicians of all Political persuasions realise that their lies will eventually come undone?
.
From Archer, to Aitken, to Huhne, to Williams, why do they all think they are above the realms of honesty?
.
Honourable for him to step down, but stupid to attempt to lie about things in the first instance.
you miss out royston
What lies has he told?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Watcher[/bold] wrote: What I simply don't understand is when will Politicians of all Political persuasions realise that their lies will eventually come undone? . From Archer, to Aitken, to Huhne, to Williams, why do they all think they are above the realms of honesty? . Honourable for him to step down, but stupid to attempt to lie about things in the first instance.[/p][/quote]you miss out royston[/p][/quote]What lies has he told? The Watcher
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4:59pm Fri 26 Apr 13

The Watcher says...

southy wrote:
The Watcher wrote:
What I simply don't understand is when will Politicians of all Political persuasions realise that their lies will eventually come undone?
.
From Archer, to Aitken, to Huhne, to Williams, why do they all think they are above the realms of honesty?
.
Honourable for him to step down, but stupid to attempt to lie about things in the first instance.
you miss out royston
What lies has he told?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Watcher[/bold] wrote: What I simply don't understand is when will Politicians of all Political persuasions realise that their lies will eventually come undone? . From Archer, to Aitken, to Huhne, to Williams, why do they all think they are above the realms of honesty? . Honourable for him to step down, but stupid to attempt to lie about things in the first instance.[/p][/quote]you miss out royston[/p][/quote]What lies has he told? The Watcher
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5:13pm Fri 26 Apr 13

skin2000 says...

southy wrote:
The Watcher wrote:
What I simply don't understand is when will Politicians of all Political persuasions realise that their lies will eventually come undone?
.
From Archer, to Aitken, to Huhne, to Williams, why do they all think they are above the realms of honesty?
.
Honourable for him to step down, but stupid to attempt to lie about things in the first instance.
you miss out royston
Royston can't remember if he lied or not....
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Watcher[/bold] wrote: What I simply don't understand is when will Politicians of all Political persuasions realise that their lies will eventually come undone? . From Archer, to Aitken, to Huhne, to Williams, why do they all think they are above the realms of honesty? . Honourable for him to step down, but stupid to attempt to lie about things in the first instance.[/p][/quote]you miss out royston[/p][/quote]Royston can't remember if he lied or not.... skin2000
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5:38pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Timsey says...

I hope the Echo is now happy forcing Richard Williams to leave the council, especially as there seems to be a special friendship between the Echo and Tory’s which Cllr comb over Royston Smith denied on Radio Solent this morning
Now that Ian Murray is pleased, when we going to see him stand for council, and see what it is actually like to be a councillor.
Now Richard Williams is no longer a councillor, I hope that the echo is going to criticise Cllr comb over Smith as much as they did with Richard Williams and the current council administration. Remember they were democratically elected by the people of Southampton, and that the Echo is not and does not hold any elected post.
I hope the Echo is now happy forcing Richard Williams to leave the council, especially as there seems to be a special friendship between the Echo and Tory’s which Cllr comb over Royston Smith denied on Radio Solent this morning Now that Ian Murray is pleased, when we going to see him stand for council, and see what it is actually like to be a councillor. Now Richard Williams is no longer a councillor, I hope that the echo is going to criticise Cllr comb over Smith as much as they did with Richard Williams and the current council administration. Remember they were democratically elected by the people of Southampton, and that the Echo is not and does not hold any elected post. Timsey
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6:24pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Lone Ranger. says...

Timsey wrote:
I hope the Echo is now happy forcing Richard Williams to leave the council, especially as there seems to be a special friendship between the Echo and Tory’s which Cllr comb over Royston Smith denied on Radio Solent this morning
Now that Ian Murray is pleased, when we going to see him stand for council, and see what it is actually like to be a councillor.
Now Richard Williams is no longer a councillor, I hope that the echo is going to criticise Cllr comb over Smith as much as they did with Richard Williams and the current council administration. Remember they were democratically elected by the people of Southampton, and that the Echo is not and does not hold any elected post.
Its the Power of the Press.
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They can say or do whatever suits them without recrimination
[quote][p][bold]Timsey[/bold] wrote: I hope the Echo is now happy forcing Richard Williams to leave the council, especially as there seems to be a special friendship between the Echo and Tory’s which Cllr comb over Royston Smith denied on Radio Solent this morning Now that Ian Murray is pleased, when we going to see him stand for council, and see what it is actually like to be a councillor. Now Richard Williams is no longer a councillor, I hope that the echo is going to criticise Cllr comb over Smith as much as they did with Richard Williams and the current council administration. Remember they were democratically elected by the people of Southampton, and that the Echo is not and does not hold any elected post.[/p][/quote]Its the Power of the Press. . They can say or do whatever suits them without recrimination Lone Ranger.
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6:54pm Fri 26 Apr 13

chunky_lover says...

"Mr Williams had persuaded Cllr Morrell to go along with a fictional story that he was resigning for health reasons, when in fact he was stepping down due to policy disagreements and was in perfect health."

What an absolute c you n tee - the lowest of the low.
"Mr Williams had persuaded Cllr Morrell to go along with a fictional story that he was resigning for health reasons, when in fact he was stepping down due to policy disagreements and was in perfect health." What an absolute c you n tee - the lowest of the low. chunky_lover
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6:56pm Fri 26 Apr 13

On the inside says...

southy wrote:
george h wrote:
tootle wrote: Since the new leader was also mentioned as at fault in the report(from what has been reported) was it wise electing her as Leader?.
In a word, ... ... NO. Apart from her role in this latest bit of dishonesty, - for which she now expresses regret, - but only after being found out and fingered in the independent report, the new leader is a divisive personality as shown by her behaviour in sticking a knife in her own leader's back. ("Wants election as an MP, MEP and rule the world"). She is incapable of uniting the Labour Group and showing an effective alternative to the Tories. There will be more trouble and strife within the group with this inadequate as leader. The Tories must be sniggering up their sleeves, because she's a gift to them, when better candidates who would strike fear into the Tories are there on the Labour front bench. And a thoroughly nasty piece of work say those with earlier acquaintance with Rayment. Remember this person has a long track record of dishonesty. One example was being disciplined as Chair of the former police authority for leaking personal details of a respected Hampshire police sergeant to the press after a Metropolitan Police inquiry found him blameless and said that his identity should not be disclosed. Whatever polish the Labour Party put on this it needs to be remembered that you cannot polish a turd.
again little shown how things work, she as in Cllr Rayment as not been elected in echo as that wrong Cllr Rayment is the deputy leader and automatically steps in as leader till the Labour Party elects a new party leader, another words Cllr Rayment is just a caretaker leader
You are a complete wast of space in politics. You never ever get anything right even though the facts are very easy to obtain. The COUNCIL elects the leader and has done. She will be up for re election at the annual general meeting of the COUNCIL which just so happens to be next month. The political parties elect their leaders and the COUNCIL elects its leader which is usually one of the party leaders. Got it?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tootle[/bold] wrote: Since the new leader was also mentioned as at fault in the report(from what has been reported) was it wise electing her as Leader?.[/p][/quote]In a word, ... ... NO. Apart from her role in this latest bit of dishonesty, - for which she now expresses regret, - but only after being found out and fingered in the independent report, the new leader is a divisive personality as shown by her behaviour in sticking a knife in her own leader's back. ("Wants election as an MP, MEP and rule the world"). She is incapable of uniting the Labour Group and showing an effective alternative to the Tories. There will be more trouble and strife within the group with this inadequate as leader. The Tories must be sniggering up their sleeves, because she's a gift to them, when better candidates who would strike fear into the Tories are there on the Labour front bench. And a thoroughly nasty piece of work say those with earlier acquaintance with Rayment. Remember this person has a long track record of dishonesty. One example was being disciplined as Chair of the former police authority for leaking personal details of a respected Hampshire police sergeant to the press after a Metropolitan Police inquiry found him blameless and said that his identity should not be disclosed. Whatever polish the Labour Party put on this it needs to be remembered that you cannot polish a turd.[/p][/quote]again little shown how things work, she as in Cllr Rayment as not been elected in echo as that wrong Cllr Rayment is the deputy leader and automatically steps in as leader till the Labour Party elects a new party leader, another words Cllr Rayment is just a caretaker leader[/p][/quote]You are a complete wast of space in politics. You never ever get anything right even though the facts are very easy to obtain. The COUNCIL elects the leader and has done. She will be up for re election at the annual general meeting of the COUNCIL which just so happens to be next month. The political parties elect their leaders and the COUNCIL elects its leader which is usually one of the party leaders. Got it? On the inside
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7:01pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Red_jools says...

I have to say that I do comiserate with Richard, unfortunately, he never served as an industrial shop steward and never has been used to brushing off 'political' brushes. Newsquest do have achiles heel, and in Southampton that is money, they now only sell around 15% of their Echo's inside the city boundary (ABC figures) so clearly the most of their correspondents would never have the opportunity, even if they had the wish, to vote for Labour in the Big neighbouring city. Conservatism, and the market, is the biggest lie sold to the masses by Newquest, News International and the Conservative Party, you are bragging over Williams' resignation whilst your peers have privatised the NHS now there a lie worth investigating!
I have to say that I do comiserate with Richard, unfortunately, he never served as an industrial shop steward and never has been used to brushing off 'political' brushes. Newsquest do have achiles heel, and in Southampton that is money, they now only sell around 15% of their Echo's inside the city boundary (ABC figures) so clearly the most of their correspondents would never have the opportunity, even if they had the wish, to vote for Labour in the Big neighbouring city. Conservatism, and the market, is the biggest lie sold to the masses by Newquest, News International and the Conservative Party, you are bragging over Williams' resignation whilst your peers have privatised the NHS now there a lie worth investigating! Red_jools
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7:22pm Fri 26 Apr 13

What garbage says...

What is the point in having councillors anyway, we have managers at the council and they do the work so get rid of all councillors.Run it like a company not a gravy train.Councillors were local because they represented their people not a political agenda.
What is the point in having councillors anyway, we have managers at the council and they do the work so get rid of all councillors.Run it like a company not a gravy train.Councillors were local because they represented their people not a political agenda. What garbage
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7:29pm Fri 26 Apr 13

chunky_lover says...

chunky_lover wrote:
"Mr Williams had persuaded Cllr Morrell to go along with a fictional story that he was resigning for health reasons, when in fact he was stepping down due to policy disagreements and was in perfect health."

What an absolute c you n tee - the lowest of the low.
anyone agree with this?
[quote][p][bold]chunky_lover[/bold] wrote: "Mr Williams had persuaded Cllr Morrell to go along with a fictional story that he was resigning for health reasons, when in fact he was stepping down due to policy disagreements and was in perfect health." What an absolute c you n tee - the lowest of the low.[/p][/quote]anyone agree with this? chunky_lover
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8:26pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Writers Cramp says...

In any walk of life the general public appreciate transparency, whether it be good news or not so. If Mr Williams had given the 'real reason', and the same with all those involved - this would not have happened - unless of course this is merely the cherry on the icing, and things behind the political manouvering scene were the real reason for cover ups.
So we have Labour Leader of Southampton 'Covering up', A senior Tory in Totton 'defecting' with no election nor apology to those who voted for him, and previous to that a Lib Dem defecting to become 'Green', which it appears that these politicians think we all are ! Who to trust ? Hmmmmm !
In any walk of life the general public appreciate transparency, whether it be good news or not so. If Mr Williams had given the 'real reason', and the same with all those involved - this would not have happened - unless of course this is merely the cherry on the icing, and things behind the political manouvering scene were the real reason for cover ups. So we have Labour Leader of Southampton 'Covering up', A senior Tory in Totton 'defecting' with no election nor apology to those who voted for him, and previous to that a Lib Dem defecting to become 'Green', which it appears that these politicians think we all are ! Who to trust ? Hmmmmm ! Writers Cramp
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9:00pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Paramjit Bahia says...

On the inside wrote:
George4th wrote:
In any other organisation, Williams, Rayment and Morrell would have been sacked (or asked to resign) for their actions. > It is a gift for the Tories that Rayment and Morrell are still in office! It is a desperate act on the part of Labour to hang onto these two! Two badly wounded Councillors with no credibility! Who's going to listen to them?!
Morrell is nothing to do with Labour. He used the money and resources of Labour and the voters of Coxford to lie his way into office and should not remain as a councillor. He was elected for a party he is not in. He (and Thomas) should resign but he is too keen on 'status' as a councillor and for Thomas it is the highest paid job he has ever had.
Did you ever say any such thing when Don Thomas was member of your party i.e. about his low income when he worked hard for your now Conservatised NuLabour, both as member and then as a councillor?

Also has you lot in NuLabour become such snobs that you have started to look down upon people on low income?

Hope you will display some courage and make these kind of statements under your real name instead of trying to spread untruths about others behind their backs, which has become part of unprincipled and disgraceful accepted behaviour within your Party, and as has been found out during this investigation normal practice of even elected members. Because according to investigator looking into this mess people interviewed by him tried to character assassinate Keith Morrell by telling him fibs which could be actionable.

That was one of the reasons why full draft of his report was not made public.
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: In any other organisation, Williams, Rayment and Morrell would have been sacked (or asked to resign) for their actions. > It is a gift for the Tories that Rayment and Morrell are still in office! It is a desperate act on the part of Labour to hang onto these two! Two badly wounded Councillors with no credibility! Who's going to listen to them?![/p][/quote]Morrell is nothing to do with Labour. He used the money and resources of Labour and the voters of Coxford to lie his way into office and should not remain as a councillor. He was elected for a party he is not in. He (and Thomas) should resign but he is too keen on 'status' as a councillor and for Thomas it is the highest paid job he has ever had.[/p][/quote]Did you ever say any such thing when Don Thomas was member of your party i.e. about his low income when he worked hard for your now Conservatised NuLabour, both as member and then as a councillor? Also has you lot in NuLabour become such snobs that you have started to look down upon people on low income? Hope you will display some courage and make these kind of statements under your real name instead of trying to spread untruths about others behind their backs, which has become part of unprincipled and disgraceful accepted behaviour within your Party, and as has been found out during this investigation normal practice of even elected members. Because according to investigator looking into this mess people interviewed by him tried to character assassinate Keith Morrell by telling him fibs which could be actionable. That was one of the reasons why full draft of his report was not made public. Paramjit Bahia
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9:13pm Fri 26 Apr 13

Paramjit Bahia says...

george h wrote:
tootle wrote:
Since the new leader was also mentioned as at fault in the report(from what has been reported) was it wise electing her as Leader?.
In a word, ... ... NO.

Apart from her role in this latest bit of dishonesty, - for which she now expresses regret, - but only after being found out and fingered in the independent report, the new leader is a divisive personality as shown by her behaviour in sticking a knife in her own leader's back. ("Wants election as an MP, MEP and rule the world").

She is incapable of uniting the Labour Group and showing an effective alternative to the Tories. There will be more trouble and strife within the group with this inadequate as leader. The Tories must be sniggering up their sleeves, because she's a gift to them, when better candidates who would strike fear into the Tories are there on the Labour front bench.

And a thoroughly nasty piece of work say those with earlier acquaintance with Rayment. Remember this person has a long track record of dishonesty. One example was being disciplined as Chair of the former police authority for leaking personal details of a respected Hampshire police sergeant to the press after a Metropolitan Police inquiry found him blameless and said that his identity should not be disclosed.

Whatever polish the Labour Party put on this it needs to be remembered that you cannot polish a turd.
Well said George H, especially the the last sentence.

But I am not too sure if any one from the current Group of Labour Councillors has the combination of ability and support of his/her fellow members required to sort their problems out.

Their basic problem is that as Leader Alan Whitehead had set a very high bar. Whether you agree with his political philosophy or not, he knew how to get everybody from both on the left and lunatics from the right working together as a team.
[quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tootle[/bold] wrote: Since the new leader was also mentioned as at fault in the report(from what has been reported) was it wise electing her as Leader?.[/p][/quote]In a word, ... ... NO. Apart from her role in this latest bit of dishonesty, - for which she now expresses regret, - but only after being found out and fingered in the independent report, the new leader is a divisive personality as shown by her behaviour in sticking a knife in her own leader's back. ("Wants election as an MP, MEP and rule the world"). She is incapable of uniting the Labour Group and showing an effective alternative to the Tories. There will be more trouble and strife within the group with this inadequate as leader. The Tories must be sniggering up their sleeves, because she's a gift to them, when better candidates who would strike fear into the Tories are there on the Labour front bench. And a thoroughly nasty piece of work say those with earlier acquaintance with Rayment. Remember this person has a long track record of dishonesty. One example was being disciplined as Chair of the former police authority for leaking personal details of a respected Hampshire police sergeant to the press after a Metropolitan Police inquiry found him blameless and said that his identity should not be disclosed. Whatever polish the Labour Party put on this it needs to be remembered that you cannot polish a turd.[/p][/quote]Well said George H, especially the the last sentence. But I am not too sure if any one from the current Group of Labour Councillors has the combination of ability and support of his/her fellow members required to sort their problems out. Their basic problem is that as Leader Alan Whitehead had set a very high bar. Whether you agree with his political philosophy or not, he knew how to get everybody from both on the left and lunatics from the right working together as a team. Paramjit Bahia
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1:49am Sat 27 Apr 13

Sir Ad E Noid says...

Ssaintsgirl wrote:
It's a great pity that the city has lost such a committed local politician. I'm not saying that what Richard Williams did wasn't wrong. But I feel his loyalty to his new administration at an early stage in his tenure may well have contributed to his reasons for acting in the way he did.

Unfortunately Cllr morrell must shoulder some of the blame in having accepted a role followed by his hasty U turn. Finally, I would have expected a much more professional approach from the departed Communications Director who on a very generous salary should have been much more adept at dealing with the trials and tribulations of local politics.
So he lied, and your defence of him is invalid. Pick somebody else to support.
[quote][p][bold]Ssaintsgirl[/bold] wrote: It's a great pity that the city has lost such a committed local politician. I'm not saying that what Richard Williams did wasn't wrong. But I feel his loyalty to his new administration at an early stage in his tenure may well have contributed to his reasons for acting in the way he did. Unfortunately Cllr morrell must shoulder some of the blame in having accepted a role followed by his hasty U turn. Finally, I would have expected a much more professional approach from the departed Communications Director who on a very generous salary should have been much more adept at dealing with the trials and tribulations of local politics.[/p][/quote]So he lied, and your defence of him is invalid. Pick somebody else to support. Sir Ad E Noid
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9:30am Sat 27 Apr 13

bigfella777 says...

Good riddance, problem is now we have somebody in charge who cannot even be bothered to look after herself judging by her appearance, let alone run a city, God help us and shame on the thick rabble populace of this city for voting them in the first place.
Good riddance, problem is now we have somebody in charge who cannot even be bothered to look after herself judging by her appearance, let alone run a city, God help us and shame on the thick rabble populace of this city for voting them in the first place. bigfella777
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9:35am Sat 27 Apr 13

Lone Ranger. says...

localnews wrote:
The Tories had the strategy and the plans to bring Southampton into the 21st Century. And what happened? The small minority of Southampton citizens who voted managed to vote the Labour Failures back into office!! How crazy was that?!

And that Paragraph sums up the sad state of affairs ALL politicians have caused with their constant lies and false promises.
Small minority of Southampton voters got Labour in because the majority of people know nothing will change no matter which lying bunch of self centered morons hold the seat
Yes its called DEMOCRACY ...... have you ever heard of it.
.
Its strange that as i have posted before, but Tories promote it ......... unless it doesnt go there way.
.
Get over it ..... YOU LOST.
.
Democratically
[quote][p][bold]localnews[/bold] wrote: The Tories had the strategy and the plans to bring Southampton into the 21st Century. And what happened? The small minority of Southampton citizens who voted managed to vote the Labour Failures back into office!! How crazy was that?! And that Paragraph sums up the sad state of affairs ALL politicians have caused with their constant lies and false promises. Small minority of Southampton voters got Labour in because the majority of people know nothing will change no matter which lying bunch of self centered morons hold the seat[/p][/quote]Yes its called DEMOCRACY ...... have you ever heard of it. . Its strange that as i have posted before, but Tories promote it ......... unless it doesnt go there way. . Get over it ..... YOU LOST. . Democratically Lone Ranger.
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9:41am Sat 27 Apr 13

Lone Ranger. says...

George4th wrote:
The Watcher wrote:
What I simply don't understand is when will Politicians of all Political persuasions realise that their lies will eventually come undone?
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From Archer, to Aitken, to Huhne, to Williams, why do they all think they are above the realms of honesty?
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Honourable for him to step down, but stupid to attempt to lie about things in the first instance.
Interestingly, Labour supporters never mention Labour politicians in the same light as Tories or LibDems and yet Labour have/had some of the worst liars, cheats, adulterers, miscreants, ever to walk the planet!!
>
It's the same as blaming the bankers for all their ills - how come Labour supporters do not pin our demise on the Unions, especially the 60s and 70s, for causing the decline of all our State Owned Industries and all our Heavy Industries through overmanning, bad practice and downright stupidity?!
>
Twice we have been Bankrupted by a Labour government and yet it is all the Bankers fault!!! 26 years we had under Wilson, Callaghan, Blair and Browne and yet they did nothing of any note and allowed the country to go down the economic pan!
>
And you wonder why I wouldn't support Labour!!
60's and 70's .......... Get in the same world that we are in time lord ..... its now 2013 . you are talking of events 50 years ago.
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Catch up grandad your making yourself a laughing stock
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Watcher[/bold] wrote: What I simply don't understand is when will Politicians of all Political persuasions realise that their lies will eventually come undone? . From Archer, to Aitken, to Huhne, to Williams, why do they all think they are above the realms of honesty? . Honourable for him to step down, but stupid to attempt to lie about things in the first instance.[/p][/quote]Interestingly, Labour supporters never mention Labour politicians in the same light as Tories or LibDems and yet Labour have/had some of the worst liars, cheats, adulterers, miscreants, ever to walk the planet!! > It's the same as blaming the bankers for all their ills - how come Labour supporters do not pin our demise on the Unions, especially the 60s and 70s, for causing the decline of all our State Owned Industries and all our Heavy Industries through overmanning, bad practice and downright stupidity?! > Twice we have been Bankrupted by a Labour government and yet it is all the Bankers fault!!! 26 years we had under Wilson, Callaghan, Blair and Browne and yet they did nothing of any note and allowed the country to go down the economic pan! > And you wonder why I wouldn't support Labour!![/p][/quote]60's and 70's .......... Get in the same world that we are in time lord ..... its now 2013 . you are talking of events 50 years ago. . Catch up grandad your making yourself a laughing stock Lone Ranger.
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9:45am Sat 27 Apr 13

Lone Ranger. says...

chunky_lover wrote:
chunky_lover wrote:
"Mr Williams had persuaded Cllr Morrell to go along with a fictional story that he was resigning for health reasons, when in fact he was stepping down due to policy disagreements and was in perfect health."

What an absolute c you n tee - the lowest of the low.
anyone agree with this?
No ........
.
Youre an idiot.
.
Anyone agree with this ??
[quote][p][bold]chunky_lover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chunky_lover[/bold] wrote: "Mr Williams had persuaded Cllr Morrell to go along with a fictional story that he was resigning for health reasons, when in fact he was stepping down due to policy disagreements and was in perfect health." What an absolute c you n tee - the lowest of the low.[/p][/quote]anyone agree with this?[/p][/quote]No ........ . Youre an idiot. . Anyone agree with this ?? Lone Ranger.
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10:14am Sat 27 Apr 13

aldermoorboy says...

In my view Lone Ranger I believe you won because Labour lied and were also behind the strikes, not a good way to win in my view.
Paramjit although we have different political views, I agree 100% with your moral views.
I want the Tories to win in Coxford in 2014, but if they don't I would like Keith Morrell to win as Labour appear to have run a smear campaign against him which I believe is not acceptable.
In my view Lone Ranger I believe you won because Labour lied and were also behind the strikes, not a good way to win in my view. Paramjit although we have different political views, I agree 100% with your moral views. I want the Tories to win in Coxford in 2014, but if they don't I would like Keith Morrell to win as Labour appear to have run a smear campaign against him which I believe is not acceptable. aldermoorboy
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11:02am Sat 27 Apr 13

Lone Ranger. says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
In my view Lone Ranger I believe you won because Labour lied and were also behind the strikes, not a good way to win in my view.
Paramjit although we have different political views, I agree 100% with your moral views.
I want the Tories to win in Coxford in 2014, but if they don't I would like Keith Morrell to win as Labour appear to have run a smear campaign against him which I believe is not acceptable.
I dont think that your view of the situation is correct.
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As i pointed out you have no intention of accepting democracy when it goes against you. There just seems to be something about your breed or evangelistic following that does not allow the sh*t to stick ..... Its always someone elses fault ....... Hypocrite
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I have not seen any evidence of a smear campaign against Morrell ..... He also lied and yet YOU are the one supporting him.
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You very conveniently use the Smear v Lies assessment to your own political gain ......... I have no hesitation in calling you a hypocrite again ..... because that is exactly what you are
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: In my view Lone Ranger I believe you won because Labour lied and were also behind the strikes, not a good way to win in my view. Paramjit although we have different political views, I agree 100% with your moral views. I want the Tories to win in Coxford in 2014, but if they don't I would like Keith Morrell to win as Labour appear to have run a smear campaign against him which I believe is not acceptable.[/p][/quote]I dont think that your view of the situation is correct. . As i pointed out you have no intention of accepting democracy when it goes against you. There just seems to be something about your breed or evangelistic following that does not allow the sh*t to stick ..... Its always someone elses fault ....... Hypocrite . I have not seen any evidence of a smear campaign against Morrell ..... He also lied and yet YOU are the one supporting him. . You very conveniently use the Smear v Lies assessment to your own political gain ......... I have no hesitation in calling you a hypocrite again ..... because that is exactly what you are Lone Ranger.
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3:03pm Sat 27 Apr 13

localnews says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
localnews wrote:
The Tories had the strategy and the plans to bring Southampton into the 21st Century. And what happened? The small minority of Southampton citizens who voted managed to vote the Labour Failures back into office!! How crazy was that?!

And that Paragraph sums up the sad state of affairs ALL politicians have caused with their constant lies and false promises.
Small minority of Southampton voters got Labour in because the majority of people know nothing will change no matter which lying bunch of self centered morons hold the seat
Yes its called DEMOCRACY ...... have you ever heard of it.
.
Its strange that as i have posted before, but Tories promote it ......... unless it doesnt go there way.
.
Get over it ..... YOU LOST.
.
Democratically
If you bothered to read my post properly you moron you would read that I'm against the Tories & Labour & any other option currently in place because,as I stated A SMALL MAJORITY GOT LABOUR IN BECAUSE.........THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE KNOW NOTHING WILL CHANGE NO MATTER WHICH LYING BUNCH OF SELF CENTERED MORONS HOLD THE SEAT !!!!!!
If you look carefully enough you'll see the first paragraph of my original post was a pasted part from one of the Tory supporters on here
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]localnews[/bold] wrote: The Tories had the strategy and the plans to bring Southampton into the 21st Century. And what happened? The small minority of Southampton citizens who voted managed to vote the Labour Failures back into office!! How crazy was that?! And that Paragraph sums up the sad state of affairs ALL politicians have caused with their constant lies and false promises. Small minority of Southampton voters got Labour in because the majority of people know nothing will change no matter which lying bunch of self centered morons hold the seat[/p][/quote]Yes its called DEMOCRACY ...... have you ever heard of it. . Its strange that as i have posted before, but Tories promote it ......... unless it doesnt go there way. . Get over it ..... YOU LOST. . Democratically[/p][/quote]If you bothered to read my post properly you moron you would read that I'm against the Tories & Labour & any other option currently in place because,as I stated A SMALL MAJORITY GOT LABOUR IN BECAUSE.........THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE KNOW NOTHING WILL CHANGE NO MATTER WHICH LYING BUNCH OF SELF CENTERED MORONS HOLD THE SEAT !!!!!! If you look carefully enough you'll see the first paragraph of my original post was a pasted part from one of the Tory supporters on here localnews
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4:49pm Sat 27 Apr 13

Lone Ranger. says...

localnews wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
localnews wrote:
The Tories had the strategy and the plans to bring Southampton into the 21st Century. And what happened? The small minority of Southampton citizens who voted managed to vote the Labour Failures back into office!! How crazy was that?!

And that Paragraph sums up the sad state of affairs ALL politicians have caused with their constant lies and false promises.
Small minority of Southampton voters got Labour in because the majority of people know nothing will change no matter which lying bunch of self centered morons hold the seat
Yes its called DEMOCRACY ...... have you ever heard of it.
.
Its strange that as i have posted before, but Tories promote it ......... unless it doesnt go there way.
.
Get over it ..... YOU LOST.
.
Democratically
If you bothered to read my post properly you moron you would read that I'm against the Tories & Labour & any other option currently in place because,as I stated A SMALL MAJORITY GOT LABOUR IN BECAUSE.........THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE KNOW NOTHING WILL CHANGE NO MATTER WHICH LYING BUNCH OF SELF CENTERED MORONS HOLD THE SEAT !!!!!!
If you look carefully enough you'll see the first paragraph of my original post was a pasted part from one of the Tory supporters on here
Dont shout ....... So you dont like any of them .... thats fine ..... my misunderstanding
[quote][p][bold]localnews[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]localnews[/bold] wrote: The Tories had the strategy and the plans to bring Southampton into the 21st Century. And what happened? The small minority of Southampton citizens who voted managed to vote the Labour Failures back into office!! How crazy was that?! And that Paragraph sums up the sad state of affairs ALL politicians have caused with their constant lies and false promises. Small minority of Southampton voters got Labour in because the majority of people know nothing will change no matter which lying bunch of self centered morons hold the seat[/p][/quote]Yes its called DEMOCRACY ...... have you ever heard of it. . Its strange that as i have posted before, but Tories promote it ......... unless it doesnt go there way. . Get over it ..... YOU LOST. . Democratically[/p][/quote]If you bothered to read my post properly you moron you would read that I'm against the Tories & Labour & any other option currently in place because,as I stated A SMALL MAJORITY GOT LABOUR IN BECAUSE.........THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE KNOW NOTHING WILL CHANGE NO MATTER WHICH LYING BUNCH OF SELF CENTERED MORONS HOLD THE SEAT !!!!!! If you look carefully enough you'll see the first paragraph of my original post was a pasted part from one of the Tory supporters on here[/p][/quote]Dont shout ....... So you dont like any of them .... thats fine ..... my misunderstanding Lone Ranger.
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10:38am Wed 1 May 13

simmo707 says...

BROKEN BRITAIN UNDER TORIES – MUTTON DRESSED AS LAMB
Cameron was Special Advisor to the Tory Chancellor ,Special Advisor to the Tory Home Secretary and also worked in the Tory Research Department considering the state of the Country they were Titles obviously of no consequence .Thatcher employed Saatchi & Saactchi at great expense to the Tax Payer to give us a typically moulded version of what a Right Wing Ogre was .Blair’s Spin Doctor was Alistair Campbell who started spinning his Lies in a **** Magazine .So basically we could take a tramp off the streets and dress them up with a little voice coaching and you have a ready made clone of an Autocratic Puppet that takes no responsibility ,wastes Public Money by the bucket load keeps the Public in the dark as far as possible and sponges off the rest of us .Giz a job.
www.brokenbritainund
ertories.com
BROKEN BRITAIN UNDER TORIES – MUTTON DRESSED AS LAMB Cameron was Special Advisor to the Tory Chancellor ,Special Advisor to the Tory Home Secretary and also worked in the Tory Research Department considering the state of the Country they were Titles obviously of no consequence .Thatcher employed Saatchi & Saactchi at great expense to the Tax Payer to give us a typically moulded version of what a Right Wing Ogre was .Blair’s Spin Doctor was Alistair Campbell who started spinning his Lies in a **** Magazine .So basically we could take a tramp off the streets and dress them up with a little voice coaching and you have a ready made clone of an Autocratic Puppet that takes no responsibility ,wastes Public Money by the bucket load keeps the Public in the dark as far as possible and sponges off the rest of us .Giz a job. www.brokenbritainund ertories.com simmo707
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11:14am Sat 11 May 13

southy says...

On the inside wrote:
southy wrote:
george h wrote:
tootle wrote: Since the new leader was also mentioned as at fault in the report(from what has been reported) was it wise electing her as Leader?.
In a word, ... ... NO. Apart from her role in this latest bit of dishonesty, - for which she now expresses regret, - but only after being found out and fingered in the independent report, the new leader is a divisive personality as shown by her behaviour in sticking a knife in her own leader's back. ("Wants election as an MP, MEP and rule the world"). She is incapable of uniting the Labour Group and showing an effective alternative to the Tories. There will be more trouble and strife within the group with this inadequate as leader. The Tories must be sniggering up their sleeves, because she's a gift to them, when better candidates who would strike fear into the Tories are there on the Labour front bench. And a thoroughly nasty piece of work say those with earlier acquaintance with Rayment. Remember this person has a long track record of dishonesty. One example was being disciplined as Chair of the former police authority for leaking personal details of a respected Hampshire police sergeant to the press after a Metropolitan Police inquiry found him blameless and said that his identity should not be disclosed. Whatever polish the Labour Party put on this it needs to be remembered that you cannot polish a turd.
again little shown how things work, she as in Cllr Rayment as not been elected in echo as that wrong Cllr Rayment is the deputy leader and automatically steps in as leader till the Labour Party elects a new party leader, another words Cllr Rayment is just a caretaker leader
You are a complete wast of space in politics. You never ever get anything right even though the facts are very easy to obtain. The COUNCIL elects the leader and has done. She will be up for re election at the annual general meeting of the COUNCIL which just so happens to be next month. The political parties elect their leaders and the COUNCIL elects its leader which is usually one of the party leaders. Got it?
You are wrong each party choses its leader before they go into the election, if that party wins then that party leader will be leader of the council.
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tootle[/bold] wrote: Since the new leader was also mentioned as at fault in the report(from what has been reported) was it wise electing her as Leader?.[/p][/quote]In a word, ... ... NO. Apart from her role in this latest bit of dishonesty, - for which she now expresses regret, - but only after being found out and fingered in the independent report, the new leader is a divisive personality as shown by her behaviour in sticking a knife in her own leader's back. ("Wants election as an MP, MEP and rule the world"). She is incapable of uniting the Labour Group and showing an effective alternative to the Tories. There will be more trouble and strife within the group with this inadequate as leader. The Tories must be sniggering up their sleeves, because she's a gift to them, when better candidates who would strike fear into the Tories are there on the Labour front bench. And a thoroughly nasty piece of work say those with earlier acquaintance with Rayment. Remember this person has a long track record of dishonesty. One example was being disciplined as Chair of the former police authority for leaking personal details of a respected Hampshire police sergeant to the press after a Metropolitan Police inquiry found him blameless and said that his identity should not be disclosed. Whatever polish the Labour Party put on this it needs to be remembered that you cannot polish a turd.[/p][/quote]again little shown how things work, she as in Cllr Rayment as not been elected in echo as that wrong Cllr Rayment is the deputy leader and automatically steps in as leader till the Labour Party elects a new party leader, another words Cllr Rayment is just a caretaker leader[/p][/quote]You are a complete wast of space in politics. You never ever get anything right even though the facts are very easy to obtain. The COUNCIL elects the leader and has done. She will be up for re election at the annual general meeting of the COUNCIL which just so happens to be next month. The political parties elect their leaders and the COUNCIL elects its leader which is usually one of the party leaders. Got it?[/p][/quote]You are wrong each party choses its leader before they go into the election, if that party wins then that party leader will be leader of the council. southy
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