Labour wins Woolston by-election

Daily Echo: Victor: Christopher Hammond Victor: Christopher Hammond

Labour have won the Woolston by-election with a reduced majority.

UKIP came second, pushing the Conservatives into third.

Labour's Christopher Hammond was named as the winner of the election with 864 votes.

The election was called after the resignation of former city council leader Richard Williams in April. 

He stood down after a report into his conduct found he had misled the public over the resignation of a cabinet colleague.

Despite that controversy, Labour held off the challenge of the five rival candidates in the by-election although the 864 votes polled by Cllr Hammond was considerably less than the 1,607 amassed by Mr Williams at last year's election.

UKIP's John Sharp came second with 731 votes, with the Conservatives' Alex Houghton getting 704 votes.

Liberal Democrat Adrian Ford got 120 votes, the Trade Union and Socialist Coalition's Sue Atkins 136 votes and the Green Party's Chris Bluemel 107 votes.

There was a 26.48 per cent turnout in the ward.

Speaking after the result, Cllr Hammond said: "I feel fantastic.

"I'm so grateful that the community has put their trust in me to be their councillor and represent them on the issues on which we campaigned locally and I'm looking forward to working hard on their behalf."

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2:13am Fri 14 Jun 13

Paramjit Bahia says...

Congratulations to NuLabour for holding on to Woolston.

Sadly it means nothing will change for the people of Southampton. As this result will only add to the arrogance of Conservatised NuLabour and its councillors in the City, who will continue with their policy of ruthlessly cutting the services for the people and destroying the jobs of council workers.

This result may be a sad news for true socialists but it is what democracy is all about. Voters of Woolston have democratically expressed their desire for more of the same i.e. punishment
Congratulations to NuLabour for holding on to Woolston. Sadly it means nothing will change for the people of Southampton. As this result will only add to the arrogance of Conservatised NuLabour and its councillors in the City, who will continue with their policy of ruthlessly cutting the services for the people and destroying the jobs of council workers. This result may be a sad news for true socialists but it is what democracy is all about. Voters of Woolston have democratically expressed their desire for more of the same i.e. punishment Paramjit Bahia
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6:02am Fri 14 Jun 13

aldermoorboy says...

Well done Christopher with your win, well done to all who stood and all who voted.
Not a good result for me, but politics in Southampton now looks like a three way battle.
Results in 2014 and 2015 will be very close and interesting.
Well done Christopher with your win, well done to all who stood and all who voted. Not a good result for me, but politics in Southampton now looks like a three way battle. Results in 2014 and 2015 will be very close and interesting. aldermoorboy
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6:17am Fri 14 Jun 13

loosehead says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Well done Christopher with your win, well done to all who stood and all who voted.
Not a good result for me, but politics in Southampton now looks like a three way battle.
Results in 2014 and 2015 will be very close and interesting.
So what do you reckon? take a leaf out of Lab/Lib book & make a pact with UKIP?
with either party not standing in alternative wards?
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Well done Christopher with your win, well done to all who stood and all who voted. Not a good result for me, but politics in Southampton now looks like a three way battle. Results in 2014 and 2015 will be very close and interesting.[/p][/quote]So what do you reckon? take a leaf out of Lab/Lib book & make a pact with UKIP? with either party not standing in alternative wards? loosehead
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6:47am Fri 14 Jun 13

The Watcher says...

loosehead wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Well done Christopher with your win, well done to all who stood and all who voted.
Not a good result for me, but politics in Southampton now looks like a three way battle.
Results in 2014 and 2015 will be very close and interesting.
So what do you reckon? take a leaf out of Lab/Lib book & make a pact with UKIP?
with either party not standing in alternative wards?
Not necessarily the answer as at a grass roots level UKIP appeal to swathes of working class voters who feel disillusioned on a few issues by the Party they would normally gravitate towards (ie Labour).
.
It's not as simple as saying UKIP and the Conservatives are splitting the right wing vote.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Well done Christopher with your win, well done to all who stood and all who voted. Not a good result for me, but politics in Southampton now looks like a three way battle. Results in 2014 and 2015 will be very close and interesting.[/p][/quote]So what do you reckon? take a leaf out of Lab/Lib book & make a pact with UKIP? with either party not standing in alternative wards?[/p][/quote]Not necessarily the answer as at a grass roots level UKIP appeal to swathes of working class voters who feel disillusioned on a few issues by the Party they would normally gravitate towards (ie Labour). . It's not as simple as saying UKIP and the Conservatives are splitting the right wing vote. The Watcher
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7:17am Fri 14 Jun 13

aldermoorboy says...

In my view, I think Labour are a disgrace in Southampton ( not all Labour some are decent people).
But those who lie and smear should be kicked out by the decent Labour people.
I think it would be a good idea for the Tories and UKIP to discuss how they can defeat Labour in Southampton in 2014.
I hope it happens.
In my view, I think Labour are a disgrace in Southampton ( not all Labour some are decent people). But those who lie and smear should be kicked out by the decent Labour people. I think it would be a good idea for the Tories and UKIP to discuss how they can defeat Labour in Southampton in 2014. I hope it happens. aldermoorboy
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7:35am Fri 14 Jun 13

The Watcher says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
In my view, I think Labour are a disgrace in Southampton ( not all Labour some are decent people).
But those who lie and smear should be kicked out by the decent Labour people.
I think it would be a good idea for the Tories and UKIP to discuss how they can defeat Labour in Southampton in 2014.
I hope it happens.
That may be your opinion, but the City's electorate voted overwhelmingly for a Labour Council at the last "big" election, and again last night.
.
Rather than seek to form alliances at a local, and even national, level, my Conservative Party should indulge in some navel gazing to ascertain why they are deemed so unelectable.
.
I would suggest a good hard look at the respective leaders at national and local level would be a start!
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: In my view, I think Labour are a disgrace in Southampton ( not all Labour some are decent people). But those who lie and smear should be kicked out by the decent Labour people. I think it would be a good idea for the Tories and UKIP to discuss how they can defeat Labour in Southampton in 2014. I hope it happens.[/p][/quote]That may be your opinion, but the City's electorate voted overwhelmingly for a Labour Council at the last "big" election, and again last night. . Rather than seek to form alliances at a local, and even national, level, my Conservative Party should indulge in some navel gazing to ascertain why they are deemed so unelectable. . I would suggest a good hard look at the respective leaders at national and local level would be a start! The Watcher
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7:40am Fri 14 Jun 13

aldermoorboy says...

You lose nothing by talking, you may find many areas of common purpose, one being to beat Labour in Southampton in 2014, not a bad start.
You lose nothing by talking, you may find many areas of common purpose, one being to beat Labour in Southampton in 2014, not a bad start. aldermoorboy
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8:04am Fri 14 Jun 13

SLINKYBABE says...

Maybe they won as half of Woolston were not asked to vote???
Maybe they won as half of Woolston were not asked to vote??? SLINKYBABE
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8:11am Fri 14 Jun 13

Lone Ranger. says...

A good result for Labour considering the side issues.
.
Seems like UKIP were pinching votes from all parties ......... Very surprised at Cons though .... really poor showing.
.
... and who said TUSC would get less than 100 votes ?????
A good result for Labour considering the side issues. . Seems like UKIP were pinching votes from all parties ......... Very surprised at Cons though .... really poor showing. . ... and who said TUSC would get less than 100 votes ????? Lone Ranger.
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8:17am Fri 14 Jun 13

stuartjebbitt says...

The REAL story here is the incredibly low turnout of 26.48 per cent. How low does it need to go before the results become utterly meaningless?
The REAL story here is the incredibly low turnout of 26.48 per cent. How low does it need to go before the results become utterly meaningless? stuartjebbitt
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8:17am Fri 14 Jun 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Is it time to change the Voting system? Poor turn outs may be creating results that aren't actually what the Electorate want in reality? A different system or compulsory voting might give a truer outcome. What is clear is that the Electorate are not happy with the constitutions of the current parties. It is time for them to step back and listen to others and react accordingly.
Is it time to change the Voting system? Poor turn outs may be creating results that aren't actually what the Electorate want in reality? A different system or compulsory voting might give a truer outcome. What is clear is that the Electorate are not happy with the constitutions of the current parties. It is time for them to step back and listen to others and react accordingly. OSPREYSAINT
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8:27am Fri 14 Jun 13

SLINKYBABE says...

The reason for the poor turn out was half of us were not given the right to vote?? No polling cards and certainly no literature through doors. The first I heard of it was on here today!!
The reason for the poor turn out was half of us were not given the right to vote?? No polling cards and certainly no literature through doors. The first I heard of it was on here today!! SLINKYBABE
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8:28am Fri 14 Jun 13

freemantlegirl2 says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Congratulations to NuLabour for holding on to Woolston.

Sadly it means nothing will change for the people of Southampton. As this result will only add to the arrogance of Conservatised NuLabour and its councillors in the City, who will continue with their policy of ruthlessly cutting the services for the people and destroying the jobs of council workers.

This result may be a sad news for true socialists but it is what democracy is all about. Voters of Woolston have democratically expressed their desire for more of the same i.e. punishment
Paramjit, much as I admire your dedication in what you believe. The votes reflect the politics in the city at the moment. End of. You and Southy will have to live with it. Turnout was poor though!! if people moan about the council and didn't vote then frankly they should shut up! Aldmoorboy this election WAS because people didn't accept the huge mistake that Cllr Williams made but still believe that this administration is FAR preferable to Royston and his dustbin disasters! :S
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Congratulations to NuLabour for holding on to Woolston. Sadly it means nothing will change for the people of Southampton. As this result will only add to the arrogance of Conservatised NuLabour and its councillors in the City, who will continue with their policy of ruthlessly cutting the services for the people and destroying the jobs of council workers. This result may be a sad news for true socialists but it is what democracy is all about. Voters of Woolston have democratically expressed their desire for more of the same i.e. punishment[/p][/quote]Paramjit, much as I admire your dedication in what you believe. The votes reflect the politics in the city at the moment. End of. You and Southy will have to live with it. Turnout was poor though!! if people moan about the council and didn't vote then frankly they should shut up! Aldmoorboy this election WAS because people didn't accept the huge mistake that Cllr Williams made but still believe that this administration is FAR preferable to Royston and his dustbin disasters! :S freemantlegirl2
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8:31am Fri 14 Jun 13

good-gosh says...

People are entitled to be miserable if they chose – after all, there would be nothing to moan about if they voted in a council that gets on with everything smoothly and efficiently without fuss
People are entitled to be miserable if they chose – after all, there would be nothing to moan about if they voted in a council that gets on with everything smoothly and efficiently without fuss good-gosh
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8:39am Fri 14 Jun 13

SLINKYBABE says...

Why was my comment about having no polling cards or literature through doors removed????
Why was my comment about having no polling cards or literature through doors removed???? SLINKYBABE
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8:41am Fri 14 Jun 13

SLINKYBABE says...

And now its back!
And now its back! SLINKYBABE
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8:50am Fri 14 Jun 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

SLINKYBABE wrote:
The reason for the poor turn out was half of us were not given the right to vote?? No polling cards and certainly no literature through doors. The first I heard of it was on here today!!
That is out of order and should be looked in to, are you sure you are in the Constituency concerned and have you made sure that you are on the Electoral Role? I must admit I wasn't aware that the Poll was even happening until the thread started on here, but it isn't in my area anyway.
[quote][p][bold]SLINKYBABE[/bold] wrote: The reason for the poor turn out was half of us were not given the right to vote?? No polling cards and certainly no literature through doors. The first I heard of it was on here today!![/p][/quote]That is out of order and should be looked in to, are you sure you are in the Constituency concerned and have you made sure that you are on the Electoral Role? I must admit I wasn't aware that the Poll was even happening until the thread started on here, but it isn't in my area anyway. OSPREYSAINT
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8:54am Fri 14 Jun 13

SLINKYBABE says...

I live in Woolston, Tankerville Road and no one I know was aware of it! I certainly wouldn't have voted Labour!
I live in Woolston, Tankerville Road and no one I know was aware of it! I certainly wouldn't have voted Labour! SLINKYBABE
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9:02am Fri 14 Jun 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

SLINKYBABE wrote:
I live in Woolston, Tankerville Road and no one I know was aware of it! I certainly wouldn't have voted Labour!
Check out the Web site

http://www.southampt
on.gov.uk/council-pa
rtners/elections/201
3Woolstonbyelection/


There are Contact details in the document, you need to clarify things.
[quote][p][bold]SLINKYBABE[/bold] wrote: I live in Woolston, Tankerville Road and no one I know was aware of it! I certainly wouldn't have voted Labour![/p][/quote]Check out the Web site http://www.southampt on.gov.uk/council-pa rtners/elections/201 3Woolstonbyelection/ There are Contact details in the document, you need to clarify things. OSPREYSAINT
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9:08am Fri 14 Jun 13

SLINKYBABE says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
SLINKYBABE wrote: I live in Woolston, Tankerville Road and no one I know was aware of it! I certainly wouldn't have voted Labour!
Check out the Web site http://www.southampt on.gov.uk/council-pa rtners/elections/201 3Woolstonbyelection/ There are Contact details in the document, you need to clarify things.
Many thanks. I will do.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SLINKYBABE[/bold] wrote: I live in Woolston, Tankerville Road and no one I know was aware of it! I certainly wouldn't have voted Labour![/p][/quote]Check out the Web site http://www.southampt on.gov.uk/council-pa rtners/elections/201 3Woolstonbyelection/ There are Contact details in the document, you need to clarify things.[/p][/quote]Many thanks. I will do. SLINKYBABE
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9:11am Fri 14 Jun 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

SLINKYBABE wrote:
I live in Woolston, Tankerville Road and no one I know was aware of it! I certainly wouldn't have voted Labour!
I suspect that you may live in the Peartree Ward, not Woolston.
[quote][p][bold]SLINKYBABE[/bold] wrote: I live in Woolston, Tankerville Road and no one I know was aware of it! I certainly wouldn't have voted Labour![/p][/quote]I suspect that you may live in the Peartree Ward, not Woolston. OSPREYSAINT
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9:30am Fri 14 Jun 13

jen1 says...

Why on earth are people still voting for the liblabcon scumbags? Don't they want change?
Why on earth are people still voting for the liblabcon scumbags? Don't they want change? jen1
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9:35am Fri 14 Jun 13

Torchie1 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
A good result for Labour considering the side issues.
.
Seems like UKIP were pinching votes from all parties ......... Very surprised at Cons though .... really poor showing.
.
... and who said TUSC would get less than 100 votes ?????
Perhaps the '100 votes' was a bit tongue-in-cheek but the principle that Tusc would be retaining their place with other fringe groups remains true. As seen recently the voters aren't bothering to turn out in droves, UKIP are in second place and the Liberals have gone back to where they've spent most of their time in politics. Certain people will pounce on certain results to show that their favourite group is finally on the move but in reality is anyone shocked by the results?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: A good result for Labour considering the side issues. . Seems like UKIP were pinching votes from all parties ......... Very surprised at Cons though .... really poor showing. . ... and who said TUSC would get less than 100 votes ?????[/p][/quote]Perhaps the '100 votes' was a bit tongue-in-cheek but the principle that Tusc would be retaining their place with other fringe groups remains true. As seen recently the voters aren't bothering to turn out in droves, UKIP are in second place and the Liberals have gone back to where they've spent most of their time in politics. Certain people will pounce on certain results to show that their favourite group is finally on the move but in reality is anyone shocked by the results? Torchie1
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9:38am Fri 14 Jun 13

Linesman says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
In my view, I think Labour are a disgrace in Southampton ( not all Labour some are decent people).
But those who lie and smear should be kicked out by the decent Labour people.
I think it would be a good idea for the Tories and UKIP to discuss how they can defeat Labour in Southampton in 2014.
I hope it happens.
In my view, I think that the Tories teamed up with the LibDems at Westminster and between them are screwing up the country.

If they team up with UKIP in Southampton, they will screw up that up as well.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: In my view, I think Labour are a disgrace in Southampton ( not all Labour some are decent people). But those who lie and smear should be kicked out by the decent Labour people. I think it would be a good idea for the Tories and UKIP to discuss how they can defeat Labour in Southampton in 2014. I hope it happens.[/p][/quote]In my view, I think that the Tories teamed up with the LibDems at Westminster and between them are screwing up the country. If they team up with UKIP in Southampton, they will screw up that up as well. Linesman
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9:41am Fri 14 Jun 13

Lone Ranger. says...

jen1 wrote:
Why on earth are people still voting for the liblabcon scumbags? Don't they want change?
Obviously not ......
[quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: Why on earth are people still voting for the liblabcon scumbags? Don't they want change?[/p][/quote]Obviously not ...... Lone Ranger.
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9:45am Fri 14 Jun 13

cliffwalker says...

Those of you who regular posters who didn't know about the election obviously don't actually read the Echo. There have been several items since mid May giving details of candidates etc.
Those of you who regular posters who didn't know about the election obviously don't actually read the Echo. There have been several items since mid May giving details of candidates etc. cliffwalker
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9:49am Fri 14 Jun 13

Ben Dingrun says...

There certainly won't be any teaming up with the Conservatives by UKIP while Cameron is at the helm....according to Nige Farage.
There certainly won't be any teaming up with the Conservatives by UKIP while Cameron is at the helm....according to Nige Farage. Ben Dingrun
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9:54am Fri 14 Jun 13

Linesman says...

Congratulations to Christopher Hammond on being elected Southampton's newest City Councillor.

A vote of confidence in the Labour Administration's ability to clear up the mess left by the Royston Smith regime.
Congratulations to Christopher Hammond on being elected Southampton's newest City Councillor. A vote of confidence in the Labour Administration's ability to clear up the mess left by the Royston Smith regime. Linesman
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9:57am Fri 14 Jun 13

dennytg says...

No comment on the disasterous Lib Dem
result ???
No comment on the disasterous Lib Dem result ??? dennytg
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10:39am Fri 14 Jun 13

skin2000 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Is it time to change the Voting system? Poor turn outs may be creating results that aren't actually what the Electorate want in reality? A different system or compulsory voting might give a truer outcome. What is clear is that the Electorate are not happy with the constitutions of the current parties. It is time for them to step back and listen to others and react accordingly.
Yes it time to change the voting system...26% is poor to say the least. The young are particularly disinchanted with the whole political system as they feel no one represents them and all they have is years of austerity in front of them. Compulsory voting might be the answer as it might stop extreme governments, as we have now,getting into power again.
People need to wake up to the fact that things like our schools and NHS are being sold off to private companies, these belong to all of us as a nation. If this is not stopped the 1% will get richer and the rest of us much poorer.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Is it time to change the Voting system? Poor turn outs may be creating results that aren't actually what the Electorate want in reality? A different system or compulsory voting might give a truer outcome. What is clear is that the Electorate are not happy with the constitutions of the current parties. It is time for them to step back and listen to others and react accordingly.[/p][/quote]Yes it time to change the voting system...26% is poor to say the least. The young are particularly disinchanted with the whole political system as they feel no one represents them and all they have is years of austerity in front of them. Compulsory voting might be the answer as it might stop extreme governments, as we have now,getting into power again. People need to wake up to the fact that things like our schools and NHS are being sold off to private companies, these belong to all of us as a nation. If this is not stopped the 1% will get richer and the rest of us much poorer. skin2000
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11:34am Fri 14 Jun 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

cliffwalker wrote:
Those of you who regular posters who didn't know about the election obviously don't actually read the Echo. There have been several items since mid May giving details of candidates etc.
I guess that you have to be interested to notice it, most don't give a monkeys as long as someone else is doing all of the work.
[quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: Those of you who regular posters who didn't know about the election obviously don't actually read the Echo. There have been several items since mid May giving details of candidates etc.[/p][/quote]I guess that you have to be interested to notice it, most don't give a monkeys as long as someone else is doing all of the work. OSPREYSAINT
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11:35am Fri 14 Jun 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

dennytg wrote:
No comment on the disasterous Lib Dem
result ???
Nothing to be said.
[quote][p][bold]dennytg[/bold] wrote: No comment on the disasterous Lib Dem result ???[/p][/quote]Nothing to be said. OSPREYSAINT
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12:06pm Fri 14 Jun 13

southy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
A good result for Labour considering the side issues.
.
Seems like UKIP were pinching votes from all parties ......... Very surprised at Cons though .... really poor showing.
.
... and who said TUSC would get less than 100 votes ?????
No Lone Ukip pinch Labour voters.
2012 2013
Labour 1,607 864
Ukip ------ 731
Torys 931 704
Lib/Dem 243 120
TUSC 138 136
Greens ----- 107


2,559 2,662
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: A good result for Labour considering the side issues. . Seems like UKIP were pinching votes from all parties ......... Very surprised at Cons though .... really poor showing. . ... and who said TUSC would get less than 100 votes ?????[/p][/quote]No Lone Ukip pinch Labour voters. 2012 2013 Labour 1,607 864 Ukip ------ 731 Torys 931 704 Lib/Dem 243 120 TUSC 138 136 Greens ----- 107 2,559 2,662 southy
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12:09pm Fri 14 Jun 13

southy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
A good result for Labour considering the side issues.
.
Seems like UKIP were pinching votes from all parties ......... Very surprised at Cons though .... really poor showing.
.
... and who said TUSC would get less than 100 votes ?????
Lone Ukip pinch Labour voters.
2012 2013
Labour 1,607 864
Ukip ------ 731
Torys 931 704
Lib/Dem 243 120
TUSC 138 136
Greens ----- 107


2,559 2,662

Free said TUSC would get less votes, but they only drop 2 votes, looks like Woolston ward as found its base level, and now as a platform to work from
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: A good result for Labour considering the side issues. . Seems like UKIP were pinching votes from all parties ......... Very surprised at Cons though .... really poor showing. . ... and who said TUSC would get less than 100 votes ?????[/p][/quote]Lone Ukip pinch Labour voters. 2012 2013 Labour 1,607 864 Ukip ------ 731 Torys 931 704 Lib/Dem 243 120 TUSC 138 136 Greens ----- 107 2,559 2,662 Free said TUSC would get less votes, but they only drop 2 votes, looks like Woolston ward as found its base level, and now as a platform to work from southy
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12:15pm Fri 14 Jun 13

Paramjit Bahia says...

freemantlegirl2 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Congratulations to NuLabour for holding on to Woolston.

Sadly it means nothing will change for the people of Southampton. As this result will only add to the arrogance of Conservatised NuLabour and its councillors in the City, who will continue with their policy of ruthlessly cutting the services for the people and destroying the jobs of council workers.

This result may be a sad news for true socialists but it is what democracy is all about. Voters of Woolston have democratically expressed their desire for more of the same i.e. punishment
Paramjit, much as I admire your dedication in what you believe. The votes reflect the politics in the city at the moment. End of. You and Southy will have to live with it. Turnout was poor though!! if people moan about the council and didn't vote then frankly they should shut up! Aldmoorboy this election WAS because people didn't accept the huge mistake that Cllr Williams made but still believe that this administration is FAR preferable to Royston and his dustbin disasters! :S
I have no right to speak on behalf of Southy, but what made you think I have not accepted this result?

In fact I even congratulated your brand of Tories, who contest under the banner of Labour Party, on holding on to Woolston with the tips of their finger nails, and very clearly stated that this is what the democracy is all about; people decide.

Please stop reading with NuLabour's blinkered glasses and enjoy the sun which seem to be about today, by taking your dog for walk in New Forest, if you are lucky you may even find Southy drinking his sorrows there in some pub!!!

In fairness to TUSC at least this time their style of campaign was lot better than what they normally do, so have managed to get more votes than Liberal Democrats who off and on used to win Woolston. If Greens and TUSC had a joint candidate it would have been even better.

Rather than gloating over holding on to Woolston NuLabourites should curb their arrogance and spins. Slippage in their support, which has occurred, could accelerate, because more and more people are starting to realise the changed nature of your Party form Labour to NuLabour, so are turning to others including UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Congratulations to NuLabour for holding on to Woolston. Sadly it means nothing will change for the people of Southampton. As this result will only add to the arrogance of Conservatised NuLabour and its councillors in the City, who will continue with their policy of ruthlessly cutting the services for the people and destroying the jobs of council workers. This result may be a sad news for true socialists but it is what democracy is all about. Voters of Woolston have democratically expressed their desire for more of the same i.e. punishment[/p][/quote]Paramjit, much as I admire your dedication in what you believe. The votes reflect the politics in the city at the moment. End of. You and Southy will have to live with it. Turnout was poor though!! if people moan about the council and didn't vote then frankly they should shut up! Aldmoorboy this election WAS because people didn't accept the huge mistake that Cllr Williams made but still believe that this administration is FAR preferable to Royston and his dustbin disasters! :S[/p][/quote]I have no right to speak on behalf of Southy, but what made you think I have not accepted this result? In fact I even congratulated your brand of Tories, who contest under the banner of Labour Party, on holding on to Woolston with the tips of their finger nails, and very clearly stated that this is what the democracy is all about; people decide. Please stop reading with NuLabour's blinkered glasses and enjoy the sun which seem to be about today, by taking your dog for walk in New Forest, if you are lucky you may even find Southy drinking his sorrows there in some pub!!! In fairness to TUSC at least this time their style of campaign was lot better than what they normally do, so have managed to get more votes than Liberal Democrats who off and on used to win Woolston. If Greens and TUSC had a joint candidate it would have been even better. Rather than gloating over holding on to Woolston NuLabourites should curb their arrogance and spins. Slippage in their support, which has occurred, could accelerate, because more and more people are starting to realise the changed nature of your Party form Labour to NuLabour, so are turning to others including UKIP. Paramjit Bahia
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12:19pm Fri 14 Jun 13

southy says...

SLINKYBABE wrote:
The reason for the poor turn out was half of us were not given the right to vote?? No polling cards and certainly no literature through doors. The first I heard of it was on here today!!
Thats because your not in the Woolston ward.
[quote][p][bold]SLINKYBABE[/bold] wrote: The reason for the poor turn out was half of us were not given the right to vote?? No polling cards and certainly no literature through doors. The first I heard of it was on here today!![/p][/quote]Thats because your not in the Woolston ward. southy
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12:35pm Fri 14 Jun 13

southy says...

Paramjit I don't drink
Paramjit I don't drink southy
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12:38pm Fri 14 Jun 13

City Final says...

SLINKYBABE wrote:
I live in Woolston, Tankerville Road and no one I know was aware of it! I certainly wouldn't have voted Labour!
You'll come under Peartree there. Dividing line is the centre of Portsmouth Rd. What is considered Woolston by locals, and what forms the Woolston ward for voting are completely different.
[quote][p][bold]SLINKYBABE[/bold] wrote: I live in Woolston, Tankerville Road and no one I know was aware of it! I certainly wouldn't have voted Labour![/p][/quote]You'll come under Peartree there. Dividing line is the centre of Portsmouth Rd. What is considered Woolston by locals, and what forms the Woolston ward for voting are completely different. City Final
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12:40pm Fri 14 Jun 13

Paramjit Bahia says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
SLINKYBABE wrote:
I live in Woolston, Tankerville Road and no one I know was aware of it! I certainly wouldn't have voted Labour!
I suspect that you may live in the Peartree Ward, not Woolston.
Tankerville Rd is in Peartree. Has been in Peartree for as long as I can remember.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SLINKYBABE[/bold] wrote: I live in Woolston, Tankerville Road and no one I know was aware of it! I certainly wouldn't have voted Labour![/p][/quote]I suspect that you may live in the Peartree Ward, not Woolston.[/p][/quote]Tankerville Rd is in Peartree. Has been in Peartree for as long as I can remember. Paramjit Bahia
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12:47pm Fri 14 Jun 13

loosehead says...

Williams 1,600 vote now 864 votes UKIP with 740 votes?
looks like UKIP are going to be a very big threat to the Labour Party in Southampton as if I'm not wrong the Tory vote has stayed the same but the Labour vote has been halved so who's looking over their shoulder?
Well done UKIP but to get rid of this incompetent council you will have to try harder to win more of their votes
Williams 1,600 vote now 864 votes UKIP with 740 votes? looks like UKIP are going to be a very big threat to the Labour Party in Southampton as if I'm not wrong the Tory vote has stayed the same but the Labour vote has been halved so who's looking over their shoulder? Well done UKIP but to get rid of this incompetent council you will have to try harder to win more of their votes loosehead
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12:48pm Fri 14 Jun 13

Paramjit Bahia says...

southy wrote:
Paramjit I don't drink
So you can be suitable candidate for becoming Mullah in some Mosque!!!

I can imagine you issuing 'fatwas' against all the right wingers.....
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Paramjit I don't drink[/p][/quote]So you can be suitable candidate for becoming Mullah in some Mosque!!! I can imagine you issuing 'fatwas' against all the right wingers..... Paramjit Bahia
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1:03pm Fri 14 Jun 13

Linesman says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
freemantlegirl2 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Congratulations to NuLabour for holding on to Woolston.

Sadly it means nothing will change for the people of Southampton. As this result will only add to the arrogance of Conservatised NuLabour and its councillors in the City, who will continue with their policy of ruthlessly cutting the services for the people and destroying the jobs of council workers.

This result may be a sad news for true socialists but it is what democracy is all about. Voters of Woolston have democratically expressed their desire for more of the same i.e. punishment
Paramjit, much as I admire your dedication in what you believe. The votes reflect the politics in the city at the moment. End of. You and Southy will have to live with it. Turnout was poor though!! if people moan about the council and didn't vote then frankly they should shut up! Aldmoorboy this election WAS because people didn't accept the huge mistake that Cllr Williams made but still believe that this administration is FAR preferable to Royston and his dustbin disasters! :S
I have no right to speak on behalf of Southy, but what made you think I have not accepted this result?

In fact I even congratulated your brand of Tories, who contest under the banner of Labour Party, on holding on to Woolston with the tips of their finger nails, and very clearly stated that this is what the democracy is all about; people decide.

Please stop reading with NuLabour's blinkered glasses and enjoy the sun which seem to be about today, by taking your dog for walk in New Forest, if you are lucky you may even find Southy drinking his sorrows there in some pub!!!

In fairness to TUSC at least this time their style of campaign was lot better than what they normally do, so have managed to get more votes than Liberal Democrats who off and on used to win Woolston. If Greens and TUSC had a joint candidate it would have been even better.

Rather than gloating over holding on to Woolston NuLabourites should curb their arrogance and spins. Slippage in their support, which has occurred, could accelerate, because more and more people are starting to realise the changed nature of your Party form Labour to NuLabour, so are turning to others including UKIP.
So you think that Tories contest under the banner of Labour Party.

There are many people who think that TUSC are the Communist Party in disguise, which is why they are invariably also-rans.

Things have changed considerably since the days of Keir Hardie and obligatory cloth caps. All parties have adapted, to varying degrees, to meet with the changing times.

If the TUSC were to adapt to those changing times, instead of living in the dark ages of the early 1900's, then maybe, just maybe, they would have more credibility in the early 2000's.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freemantlegirl2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Congratulations to NuLabour for holding on to Woolston. Sadly it means nothing will change for the people of Southampton. As this result will only add to the arrogance of Conservatised NuLabour and its councillors in the City, who will continue with their policy of ruthlessly cutting the services for the people and destroying the jobs of council workers. This result may be a sad news for true socialists but it is what democracy is all about. Voters of Woolston have democratically expressed their desire for more of the same i.e. punishment[/p][/quote]Paramjit, much as I admire your dedication in what you believe. The votes reflect the politics in the city at the moment. End of. You and Southy will have to live with it. Turnout was poor though!! if people moan about the council and didn't vote then frankly they should shut up! Aldmoorboy this election WAS because people didn't accept the huge mistake that Cllr Williams made but still believe that this administration is FAR preferable to Royston and his dustbin disasters! :S[/p][/quote]I have no right to speak on behalf of Southy, but what made you think I have not accepted this result? In fact I even congratulated your brand of Tories, who contest under the banner of Labour Party, on holding on to Woolston with the tips of their finger nails, and very clearly stated that this is what the democracy is all about; people decide. Please stop reading with NuLabour's blinkered glasses and enjoy the sun which seem to be about today, by taking your dog for walk in New Forest, if you are lucky you may even find Southy drinking his sorrows there in some pub!!! In fairness to TUSC at least this time their style of campaign was lot better than what they normally do, so have managed to get more votes than Liberal Democrats who off and on used to win Woolston. If Greens and TUSC had a joint candidate it would have been even better. Rather than gloating over holding on to Woolston NuLabourites should curb their arrogance and spins. Slippage in their support, which has occurred, could accelerate, because more and more people are starting to realise the changed nature of your Party form Labour to NuLabour, so are turning to others including UKIP.[/p][/quote]So you think that Tories contest under the banner of Labour Party. There are many people who think that TUSC are the Communist Party in disguise, which is why they are invariably also-rans. Things have changed considerably since the days of Keir Hardie and obligatory cloth caps. All parties have adapted, to varying degrees, to meet with the changing times. If the TUSC were to adapt to those changing times, instead of living in the dark ages of the early 1900's, then maybe, just maybe, they would have more credibility in the early 2000's. Linesman
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1:06pm Fri 14 Jun 13

southy says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
Paramjit I don't drink
So you can be suitable candidate for becoming Mullah in some Mosque!!!

I can imagine you issuing 'fatwas' against all the right wingers.....
You want to cause a riot
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Paramjit I don't drink[/p][/quote]So you can be suitable candidate for becoming Mullah in some Mosque!!! I can imagine you issuing 'fatwas' against all the right wingers.....[/p][/quote]You want to cause a riot southy
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1:06pm Fri 14 Jun 13

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
Williams 1,600 vote now 864 votes UKIP with 740 votes?
looks like UKIP are going to be a very big threat to the Labour Party in Southampton as if I'm not wrong the Tory vote has stayed the same but the Labour vote has been halved so who's looking over their shoulder?
Well done UKIP but to get rid of this incompetent council you will have to try harder to win more of their votes
Labour got rid of the incompetent council.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Williams 1,600 vote now 864 votes UKIP with 740 votes? looks like UKIP are going to be a very big threat to the Labour Party in Southampton as if I'm not wrong the Tory vote has stayed the same but the Labour vote has been halved so who's looking over their shoulder? Well done UKIP but to get rid of this incompetent council you will have to try harder to win more of their votes[/p][/quote]Labour got rid of the incompetent council. Linesman
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1:13pm Fri 14 Jun 13

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
Williams 1,600 vote now 864 votes UKIP with 740 votes?
looks like UKIP are going to be a very big threat to the Labour Party in Southampton as if I'm not wrong the Tory vote has stayed the same but the Labour vote has been halved so who's looking over their shoulder?
Well done UKIP but to get rid of this incompetent council you will have to try harder to win more of their votes
You have obviously given up with the Tories doing it then ........
.
Grasp at every straw as you need all the help your party can get ....... remind me ........ which party do you support?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Williams 1,600 vote now 864 votes UKIP with 740 votes? looks like UKIP are going to be a very big threat to the Labour Party in Southampton as if I'm not wrong the Tory vote has stayed the same but the Labour vote has been halved so who's looking over their shoulder? Well done UKIP but to get rid of this incompetent council you will have to try harder to win more of their votes[/p][/quote]You have obviously given up with the Tories doing it then ........ . Grasp at every straw as you need all the help your party can get ....... remind me ........ which party do you support? Lone Ranger.
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1:16pm Fri 14 Jun 13

Paramjit Bahia says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Williams 1,600 vote now 864 votes UKIP with 740 votes?
looks like UKIP are going to be a very big threat to the Labour Party in Southampton as if I'm not wrong the Tory vote has stayed the same but the Labour vote has been halved so who's looking over their shoulder?
Well done UKIP but to get rid of this incompetent council you will have to try harder to win more of their votes
Labour got rid of the incompetent council.
And replaced with another photo copy of Conservatives, committed to cutting services for the people and destroying the jobs of Council workers.

Thanks to arrogance of both Tories and NuLabourites who share most of the same policies, UKIP, whom some Scotts have described as BNP in stripped suits have gained support.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Williams 1,600 vote now 864 votes UKIP with 740 votes? looks like UKIP are going to be a very big threat to the Labour Party in Southampton as if I'm not wrong the Tory vote has stayed the same but the Labour vote has been halved so who's looking over their shoulder? Well done UKIP but to get rid of this incompetent council you will have to try harder to win more of their votes[/p][/quote]Labour got rid of the incompetent council.[/p][/quote]And replaced with another photo copy of Conservatives, committed to cutting services for the people and destroying the jobs of Council workers. Thanks to arrogance of both Tories and NuLabourites who share most of the same policies, UKIP, whom some Scotts have described as BNP in stripped suits have gained support. Paramjit Bahia
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1:18pm Fri 14 Jun 13

southy says...

Linesman
UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.
Linesman UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again. southy
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1:20pm Fri 14 Jun 13

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
A good result for Labour considering the side issues.
.
Seems like UKIP were pinching votes from all parties ......... Very surprised at Cons though .... really poor showing.
.
... and who said TUSC would get less than 100 votes ?????
Lone Ukip pinch Labour voters.
2012 2013
Labour 1,607 864
Ukip ------ 731
Torys 931 704
Lib/Dem 243 120
TUSC 138 136
Greens ----- 107


2,559 2,662

Free said TUSC would get less votes, but they only drop 2 votes, looks like Woolston ward as found its base level, and now as a platform to work from
In case your memory has let you down could I help you recall the results of May 5th 2011 where UKIP didn't stand but your man Cutter took 163 votes. Fast forward to 2013 where the three Tusc totals now read 163-138-136, a little more than a drop of only 2 votes which in % terms is a loss of 20% overall. UKIP however have gone from a standing start to 731 or 32% of the entire vote cast. Doesn't look quite so solid a platform when it's put that way, does it?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: A good result for Labour considering the side issues. . Seems like UKIP were pinching votes from all parties ......... Very surprised at Cons though .... really poor showing. . ... and who said TUSC would get less than 100 votes ?????[/p][/quote]Lone Ukip pinch Labour voters. 2012 2013 Labour 1,607 864 Ukip ------ 731 Torys 931 704 Lib/Dem 243 120 TUSC 138 136 Greens ----- 107 2,559 2,662 Free said TUSC would get less votes, but they only drop 2 votes, looks like Woolston ward as found its base level, and now as a platform to work from[/p][/quote]In case your memory has let you down could I help you recall the results of May 5th 2011 where UKIP didn't stand but your man Cutter took 163 votes. Fast forward to 2013 where the three Tusc totals now read 163-138-136, a little more than a drop of only 2 votes which in % terms is a loss of 20% overall. UKIP however have gone from a standing start to 731 or 32% of the entire vote cast. Doesn't look quite so solid a platform when it's put that way, does it? Torchie1
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1:20pm Fri 14 Jun 13

Paramjit Bahia says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Williams 1,600 vote now 864 votes UKIP with 740 votes?
looks like UKIP are going to be a very big threat to the Labour Party in Southampton as if I'm not wrong the Tory vote has stayed the same but the Labour vote has been halved so who's looking over their shoulder?
Well done UKIP but to get rid of this incompetent council you will have to try harder to win more of their votes
You have obviously given up with the Tories doing it then ........
.
Grasp at every straw as you need all the help your party can get ....... remind me ........ which party do you support?
Every latest loony, provided they are bigger disgrace than the last ones
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Williams 1,600 vote now 864 votes UKIP with 740 votes? looks like UKIP are going to be a very big threat to the Labour Party in Southampton as if I'm not wrong the Tory vote has stayed the same but the Labour vote has been halved so who's looking over their shoulder? Well done UKIP but to get rid of this incompetent council you will have to try harder to win more of their votes[/p][/quote]You have obviously given up with the Tories doing it then ........ . Grasp at every straw as you need all the help your party can get ....... remind me ........ which party do you support?[/p][/quote]Every latest loony, provided they are bigger disgrace than the last ones Paramjit Bahia
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1:29pm Fri 14 Jun 13

Paramjit Bahia says...

southy wrote:
Linesman
UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.
Most will rightly agree with that statement of fact.

But what are the going to do about this latest fashion statement in politics?

Because they have hardly any policies it is difficult to pin them down. Only way to expose them is what the lady from TV in Bulgaria did to Farage in interview shown on Ch4 or what was done to him in Scotland
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Linesman UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.[/p][/quote]Most will rightly agree with that statement of fact. But what are the going to do about this latest fashion statement in politics? Because they have hardly any policies it is difficult to pin them down. Only way to expose them is what the lady from TV in Bulgaria did to Farage in interview shown on Ch4 or what was done to him in Scotland Paramjit Bahia
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1:42pm Fri 14 Jun 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
SLINKYBABE wrote:
I live in Woolston, Tankerville Road and no one I know was aware of it! I certainly wouldn't have voted Labour!
I suspect that you may live in the Peartree Ward, not Woolston.
Tankerville Rd is in Peartree. Has been in Peartree for as long as I can remember.
I live in Bassett yet in General Elections I am lumped in with Romsey! No Labour Candidate could ever hope to take the seat.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SLINKYBABE[/bold] wrote: I live in Woolston, Tankerville Road and no one I know was aware of it! I certainly wouldn't have voted Labour![/p][/quote]I suspect that you may live in the Peartree Ward, not Woolston.[/p][/quote]Tankerville Rd is in Peartree. Has been in Peartree for as long as I can remember.[/p][/quote]I live in Bassett yet in General Elections I am lumped in with Romsey! No Labour Candidate could ever hope to take the seat. OSPREYSAINT
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1:48pm Fri 14 Jun 13

kingnotail says...

jen1 wrote:
Why on earth are people still voting for the liblabcon scumbags? Don't they want change?
Depends what your idea of 'change' is.
[quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: Why on earth are people still voting for the liblabcon scumbags? Don't they want change?[/p][/quote]Depends what your idea of 'change' is. kingnotail
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1:48pm Fri 14 Jun 13

Torchie1 says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman
UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.
Most will rightly agree with that statement of fact.

But what are the going to do about this latest fashion statement in politics?

Because they have hardly any policies it is difficult to pin them down. Only way to expose them is what the lady from TV in Bulgaria did to Farage in interview shown on Ch4 or what was done to him in Scotland
"what was done to him in Scotland". It's slightly worrying when the old style communist/Nazi tactics are employed where debate is replaced with thuggery. Don't lose heart when you can't defeat someone's argument, there are always the idiots waiting to be unleashed, and they just enjoy the fight without understanding the reasoning behind it.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Linesman UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.[/p][/quote]Most will rightly agree with that statement of fact. But what are the going to do about this latest fashion statement in politics? Because they have hardly any policies it is difficult to pin them down. Only way to expose them is what the lady from TV in Bulgaria did to Farage in interview shown on Ch4 or what was done to him in Scotland[/p][/quote]"what was done to him in Scotland". It's slightly worrying when the old style communist/Nazi tactics are employed where debate is replaced with thuggery. Don't lose heart when you can't defeat someone's argument, there are always the idiots waiting to be unleashed, and they just enjoy the fight without understanding the reasoning behind it. Torchie1
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1:51pm Fri 14 Jun 13

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
A good result for Labour considering the side issues.
.
Seems like UKIP were pinching votes from all parties ......... Very surprised at Cons though .... really poor showing.
.
... and who said TUSC would get less than 100 votes ?????
Lone Ukip pinch Labour voters.
2012 2013
Labour 1,607 864
Ukip ------ 731
Torys 931 704
Lib/Dem 243 120
TUSC 138 136
Greens ----- 107


2,559 2,662

Free said TUSC would get less votes, but they only drop 2 votes, looks like Woolston ward as found its base level, and now as a platform to work from
In case your memory has let you down could I help you recall the results of May 5th 2011 where UKIP didn't stand but your man Cutter took 163 votes. Fast forward to 2013 where the three Tusc totals now read 163-138-136, a little more than a drop of only 2 votes which in % terms is a loss of 20% overall. UKIP however have gone from a standing start to 731 or 32% of the entire vote cast. Doesn't look quite so solid a platform when it's put that way, does it?
One day you might learn a thing or two about politics.
that is what is known as a base vote, a solid platform, it as curved out and from there with a lot of hard work in the area will tell how well that base stands, but Labour needs to worried hell a lot.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: A good result for Labour considering the side issues. . Seems like UKIP were pinching votes from all parties ......... Very surprised at Cons though .... really poor showing. . ... and who said TUSC would get less than 100 votes ?????[/p][/quote]Lone Ukip pinch Labour voters. 2012 2013 Labour 1,607 864 Ukip ------ 731 Torys 931 704 Lib/Dem 243 120 TUSC 138 136 Greens ----- 107 2,559 2,662 Free said TUSC would get less votes, but they only drop 2 votes, looks like Woolston ward as found its base level, and now as a platform to work from[/p][/quote]In case your memory has let you down could I help you recall the results of May 5th 2011 where UKIP didn't stand but your man Cutter took 163 votes. Fast forward to 2013 where the three Tusc totals now read 163-138-136, a little more than a drop of only 2 votes which in % terms is a loss of 20% overall. UKIP however have gone from a standing start to 731 or 32% of the entire vote cast. Doesn't look quite so solid a platform when it's put that way, does it?[/p][/quote]One day you might learn a thing or two about politics. that is what is known as a base vote, a solid platform, it as curved out and from there with a lot of hard work in the area will tell how well that base stands, but Labour needs to worried hell a lot. southy
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1:59pm Fri 14 Jun 13

southy says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman
UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.
Most will rightly agree with that statement of fact.

But what are the going to do about this latest fashion statement in politics?

Because they have hardly any policies it is difficult to pin them down. Only way to expose them is what the lady from TV in Bulgaria did to Farage in interview shown on Ch4 or what was done to him in Scotland
Some thing needs to be done. One thing the TUSC needs to do is express there point on the EU, and that is to give people the vote on the EU which is part of the TUSC manifest, that needs to be push harder, let people under stand they don't need to vote for the extreme right to get a vote on the EU, that could take some of the wind out of there sails.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Linesman UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.[/p][/quote]Most will rightly agree with that statement of fact. But what are the going to do about this latest fashion statement in politics? Because they have hardly any policies it is difficult to pin them down. Only way to expose them is what the lady from TV in Bulgaria did to Farage in interview shown on Ch4 or what was done to him in Scotland[/p][/quote]Some thing needs to be done. One thing the TUSC needs to do is express there point on the EU, and that is to give people the vote on the EU which is part of the TUSC manifest, that needs to be push harder, let people under stand they don't need to vote for the extreme right to get a vote on the EU, that could take some of the wind out of there sails. southy
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2:12pm Fri 14 Jun 13

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman
UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.
Most will rightly agree with that statement of fact.

But what are the going to do about this latest fashion statement in politics?

Because they have hardly any policies it is difficult to pin them down. Only way to expose them is what the lady from TV in Bulgaria did to Farage in interview shown on Ch4 or what was done to him in Scotland
"what was done to him in Scotland". It's slightly worrying when the old style communist/Nazi tactics are employed where debate is replaced with thuggery. Don't lose heart when you can't defeat someone's argument, there are always the idiots waiting to be unleashed, and they just enjoy the fight without understanding the reasoning behind it.
Yes thats is what happens when you let politics move more to the right wing aka Capitalism you will end up with that old style Capitalist Communism or worse still extreme right wing Nazism.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Linesman UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.[/p][/quote]Most will rightly agree with that statement of fact. But what are the going to do about this latest fashion statement in politics? Because they have hardly any policies it is difficult to pin them down. Only way to expose them is what the lady from TV in Bulgaria did to Farage in interview shown on Ch4 or what was done to him in Scotland[/p][/quote]"what was done to him in Scotland". It's slightly worrying when the old style communist/Nazi tactics are employed where debate is replaced with thuggery. Don't lose heart when you can't defeat someone's argument, there are always the idiots waiting to be unleashed, and they just enjoy the fight without understanding the reasoning behind it.[/p][/quote]Yes thats is what happens when you let politics move more to the right wing aka Capitalism you will end up with that old style Capitalist Communism or worse still extreme right wing Nazism. southy
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2:14pm Fri 14 Jun 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

In mid term it is common for local elections to go against the standing party, as a reminder to them to listen to the electorate, they have the choice of staying bull headed with the unpopular policies, or take heed of the warnings and step back and adjust. Failure to do so will lose them the election. UKIP can be dangerous to other parties but are a one trick pony and will fall away when it gets serious!
In mid term it is common for local elections to go against the standing party, as a reminder to them to listen to the electorate, they have the choice of staying bull headed with the unpopular policies, or take heed of the warnings and step back and adjust. Failure to do so will lose them the election. UKIP can be dangerous to other parties but are a one trick pony and will fall away when it gets serious! OSPREYSAINT
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2:16pm Fri 14 Jun 13

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman
UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.
Most will rightly agree with that statement of fact.

But what are the going to do about this latest fashion statement in politics?

Because they have hardly any policies it is difficult to pin them down. Only way to expose them is what the lady from TV in Bulgaria did to Farage in interview shown on Ch4 or what was done to him in Scotland
"what was done to him in Scotland". It's slightly worrying when the old style communist/Nazi tactics are employed where debate is replaced with thuggery. Don't lose heart when you can't defeat someone's argument, there are always the idiots waiting to be unleashed, and they just enjoy the fight without understanding the reasoning behind it.
Yes thats is what happens when you let politics move more to the right wing aka Capitalism you will end up with that old style Capitalist Communism or worse still extreme right wing Nazism.
I know it's cruel to bait you but your responses are so predictable and amusing however many times you make them. Perhaps the breakthrough will come next time, or the time after that, or.............
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Linesman UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.[/p][/quote]Most will rightly agree with that statement of fact. But what are the going to do about this latest fashion statement in politics? Because they have hardly any policies it is difficult to pin them down. Only way to expose them is what the lady from TV in Bulgaria did to Farage in interview shown on Ch4 or what was done to him in Scotland[/p][/quote]"what was done to him in Scotland". It's slightly worrying when the old style communist/Nazi tactics are employed where debate is replaced with thuggery. Don't lose heart when you can't defeat someone's argument, there are always the idiots waiting to be unleashed, and they just enjoy the fight without understanding the reasoning behind it.[/p][/quote]Yes thats is what happens when you let politics move more to the right wing aka Capitalism you will end up with that old style Capitalist Communism or worse still extreme right wing Nazism.[/p][/quote]I know it's cruel to bait you but your responses are so predictable and amusing however many times you make them. Perhaps the breakthrough will come next time, or the time after that, or............. Torchie1
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2:18pm Fri 14 Jun 13

owen_thesaints says...

They're all out today, Paramjit just can't accept that more people voted for Labour that the others and thos that did vote Labour are incable of intelligent thought. And Southy, who insists that a net gain of two voters is a platform for growth (or maybe stagnation).

Sore losers? You decide.
They're all out today, Paramjit just can't accept that more people voted for Labour that the others and thos that did vote Labour are incable of intelligent thought. And Southy, who insists that a net gain of two voters is a platform for growth (or maybe stagnation). Sore losers? You decide. owen_thesaints
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2:19pm Fri 14 Jun 13

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman
UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.
Most will rightly agree with that statement of fact.

But what are the going to do about this latest fashion statement in politics?

Because they have hardly any policies it is difficult to pin them down. Only way to expose them is what the lady from TV in Bulgaria did to Farage in interview shown on Ch4 or what was done to him in Scotland
"what was done to him in Scotland". It's slightly worrying when the old style communist/Nazi tactics are employed where debate is replaced with thuggery. Don't lose heart when you can't defeat someone's argument, there are always the idiots waiting to be unleashed, and they just enjoy the fight without understanding the reasoning behind it.
Yes thats is what happens when you let politics move more to the right wing aka Capitalism you will end up with that old style Capitalist Communism or worse still extreme right wing Nazism.
I know it's cruel to bait you but your responses are so predictable and amusing however many times you make them. Perhaps the breakthrough will come next time, or the time after that, or.............
Your not baiting just that you don't have any answers, as for breakthough that takes time Rome was not built in a day.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Linesman UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.[/p][/quote]Most will rightly agree with that statement of fact. But what are the going to do about this latest fashion statement in politics? Because they have hardly any policies it is difficult to pin them down. Only way to expose them is what the lady from TV in Bulgaria did to Farage in interview shown on Ch4 or what was done to him in Scotland[/p][/quote]"what was done to him in Scotland". It's slightly worrying when the old style communist/Nazi tactics are employed where debate is replaced with thuggery. Don't lose heart when you can't defeat someone's argument, there are always the idiots waiting to be unleashed, and they just enjoy the fight without understanding the reasoning behind it.[/p][/quote]Yes thats is what happens when you let politics move more to the right wing aka Capitalism you will end up with that old style Capitalist Communism or worse still extreme right wing Nazism.[/p][/quote]I know it's cruel to bait you but your responses are so predictable and amusing however many times you make them. Perhaps the breakthrough will come next time, or the time after that, or.............[/p][/quote]Your not baiting just that you don't have any answers, as for breakthough that takes time Rome was not built in a day. southy
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2:54pm Fri 14 Jun 13

TheBestEcho says...

Jackson the magical, strikes again.
Jackson the magical, strikes again. TheBestEcho
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2:54pm Fri 14 Jun 13

Paramjit Bahia says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
SLINKYBABE wrote:
I live in Woolston, Tankerville Road and no one I know was aware of it! I certainly wouldn't have voted Labour!
I suspect that you may live in the Peartree Ward, not Woolston.
Tankerville Rd is in Peartree. Has been in Peartree for as long as I can remember.
I live in Bassett yet in General Elections I am lumped in with Romsey! No Labour Candidate could ever hope to take the seat.
Yes NuLabour can't even dream of winning Romsey with some areas of City of Southampton in it.

In fact if situation remains the same, they are likely to face uphill task even in holding on to Southampton Itchen next time, where they only just about managed to keep Tories out with exceptionally brilliant constituency MP John Denham, who may be politically very dodgy but is very good at helping his constituents. But without him?????

In Itchen NuLabour's only hope will be for UKIP to nick votes from Tories and ignore Labour voters, which they are hardly likely to do.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SLINKYBABE[/bold] wrote: I live in Woolston, Tankerville Road and no one I know was aware of it! I certainly wouldn't have voted Labour![/p][/quote]I suspect that you may live in the Peartree Ward, not Woolston.[/p][/quote]Tankerville Rd is in Peartree. Has been in Peartree for as long as I can remember.[/p][/quote]I live in Bassett yet in General Elections I am lumped in with Romsey! No Labour Candidate could ever hope to take the seat.[/p][/quote]Yes NuLabour can't even dream of winning Romsey with some areas of City of Southampton in it. In fact if situation remains the same, they are likely to face uphill task even in holding on to Southampton Itchen next time, where they only just about managed to keep Tories out with exceptionally brilliant constituency MP John Denham, who may be politically very dodgy but is very good at helping his constituents. But without him????? In Itchen NuLabour's only hope will be for UKIP to nick votes from Tories and ignore Labour voters, which they are hardly likely to do. Paramjit Bahia
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3:00pm Fri 14 Jun 13

Paramjit Bahia says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman
UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.
Most will rightly agree with that statement of fact.

But what are the going to do about this latest fashion statement in politics?

Because they have hardly any policies it is difficult to pin them down. Only way to expose them is what the lady from TV in Bulgaria did to Farage in interview shown on Ch4 or what was done to him in Scotland
"what was done to him in Scotland". It's slightly worrying when the old style communist/Nazi tactics are employed where debate is replaced with thuggery. Don't lose heart when you can't defeat someone's argument, there are always the idiots waiting to be unleashed, and they just enjoy the fight without understanding the reasoning behind it.
Oh come on..... Nobody can insult SNP of fascism, they are nationalist not the fascists of Nazis.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Linesman UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.[/p][/quote]Most will rightly agree with that statement of fact. But what are the going to do about this latest fashion statement in politics? Because they have hardly any policies it is difficult to pin them down. Only way to expose them is what the lady from TV in Bulgaria did to Farage in interview shown on Ch4 or what was done to him in Scotland[/p][/quote]"what was done to him in Scotland". It's slightly worrying when the old style communist/Nazi tactics are employed where debate is replaced with thuggery. Don't lose heart when you can't defeat someone's argument, there are always the idiots waiting to be unleashed, and they just enjoy the fight without understanding the reasoning behind it.[/p][/quote]Oh come on..... Nobody can insult SNP of fascism, they are nationalist not the fascists of Nazis. Paramjit Bahia
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3:16pm Fri 14 Jun 13

Paramjit Bahia says...

owen_thesaints wrote:
They're all out today, Paramjit just can't accept that more people voted for Labour that the others and thos that did vote Labour are incable of intelligent thought. And Southy, who insists that a net gain of two voters is a platform for growth (or maybe stagnation).

Sore losers? You decide.
You have got to be some chum of Madelson within NuLabour for trying to spin the facts and twist those to suit for mud slinging .

Have you bothered even to read the very first comment on this thread? What does the very first line read?

Where did I say I do not accept the fact that NuLabour has won?

Spreading falsehoods appear to has become speciality of disturbingly large number of people in politics and their fans. Also the habit of spoilt kids with keyboard. Only you will know which group you belong to.

Thanks to likes of you it is hardly surprising many ordinary people have started losing faith in politics and are turning even to UKIP
[quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: They're all out today, Paramjit just can't accept that more people voted for Labour that the others and thos that did vote Labour are incable of intelligent thought. And Southy, who insists that a net gain of two voters is a platform for growth (or maybe stagnation). Sore losers? You decide.[/p][/quote]You have got to be some chum of Madelson within NuLabour for trying to spin the facts and twist those to suit for mud slinging . Have you bothered even to read the very first comment on this thread? What does the very first line read? Where did I say I do not accept the fact that NuLabour has won? Spreading falsehoods appear to has become speciality of disturbingly large number of people in politics and their fans. Also the habit of spoilt kids with keyboard. Only you will know which group you belong to. Thanks to likes of you it is hardly surprising many ordinary people have started losing faith in politics and are turning even to UKIP Paramjit Bahia
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3:51pm Fri 14 Jun 13

loosehead says...

Let's get this straight I vote Tory!
For many years now we've had Labour laughing at the Tories saying they're losing scores of voters to UKIP.
Now read the figures from when Williams won Woolston & then read the figures from this election?
Who's losing votes to UKIP?
Crikey it says it all when Southy can see it's Labour in this city that's under threat from UKIP yet Labour supporters can't
Let's get this straight I vote Tory! For many years now we've had Labour laughing at the Tories saying they're losing scores of voters to UKIP. Now read the figures from when Williams won Woolston & then read the figures from this election? Who's losing votes to UKIP? Crikey it says it all when Southy can see it's Labour in this city that's under threat from UKIP yet Labour supporters can't loosehead
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4:02pm Fri 14 Jun 13

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Williams 1,600 vote now 864 votes UKIP with 740 votes?
looks like UKIP are going to be a very big threat to the Labour Party in Southampton as if I'm not wrong the Tory vote has stayed the same but the Labour vote has been halved so who's looking over their shoulder?
Well done UKIP but to get rid of this incompetent council you will have to try harder to win more of their votes
Labour got rid of the incompetent council.
Sorry did you say "Labour"? don't you mean Labours pay masters contrived false industrial action.
sent out letters telling they're members to vote Labour bought in outside Union members to knock doors & tell people to vote Labour?
as for incompetent?
Minimal cuts to jobs & services,no increase in council tax,applied for a grant to keep weekly bin collections,hired more bin personnel,put out a blueprint to take this city forward which this present council has stuck with & claimed it as it's own?
Labour put in plans for high density housing on the Vospers site the residents weren't happy so when the Tories got in they cut the amount of properties only for Labour liars to go out & protest about the high density & it seems the people of Woolston fell for this.
Didn't the Labour Party get the Echo involved in flats in Woolston only to do nothing when elected?
Didn't Furnmell & his mates promise no Lidls & attack anyone in favour of it? yet voted it in?
Linesman you can be as loyal as you like but the drop in Tory votes was expected at this point of Government but for Labour to lose approximately 50% of it's vote should worry you & as it seems to be UKIP who's taking it I congratulated them but it doesn't mean I vote for them yet!
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Williams 1,600 vote now 864 votes UKIP with 740 votes? looks like UKIP are going to be a very big threat to the Labour Party in Southampton as if I'm not wrong the Tory vote has stayed the same but the Labour vote has been halved so who's looking over their shoulder? Well done UKIP but to get rid of this incompetent council you will have to try harder to win more of their votes[/p][/quote]Labour got rid of the incompetent council.[/p][/quote]Sorry did you say "Labour"? don't you mean Labours pay masters contrived false industrial action. sent out letters telling they're members to vote Labour bought in outside Union members to knock doors & tell people to vote Labour? as for incompetent? Minimal cuts to jobs & services,no increase in council tax,applied for a grant to keep weekly bin collections,hired more bin personnel,put out a blueprint to take this city forward which this present council has stuck with & claimed it as it's own? Labour put in plans for high density housing on the Vospers site the residents weren't happy so when the Tories got in they cut the amount of properties only for Labour liars to go out & protest about the high density & it seems the people of Woolston fell for this. Didn't the Labour Party get the Echo involved in flats in Woolston only to do nothing when elected? Didn't Furnmell & his mates promise no Lidls & attack anyone in favour of it? yet voted it in? Linesman you can be as loyal as you like but the drop in Tory votes was expected at this point of Government but for Labour to lose approximately 50% of it's vote should worry you & as it seems to be UKIP who's taking it I congratulated them but it doesn't mean I vote for them yet! loosehead
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4:18pm Fri 14 Jun 13

owen_thesaints says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote:
They're all out today, Paramjit just can't accept that more people voted for Labour that the others and thos that did vote Labour are incable of intelligent thought. And Southy, who insists that a net gain of two voters is a platform for growth (or maybe stagnation).

Sore losers? You decide.
You have got to be some chum of Madelson within NuLabour for trying to spin the facts and twist those to suit for mud slinging .

Have you bothered even to read the very first comment on this thread? What does the very first line read?

Where did I say I do not accept the fact that NuLabour has won?

Spreading falsehoods appear to has become speciality of disturbingly large number of people in politics and their fans. Also the habit of spoilt kids with keyboard. Only you will know which group you belong to.

Thanks to likes of you it is hardly surprising many ordinary people have started losing faith in politics and are turning even to UKIP
"Congratulations to NuLabour for holding on to Woolston."

Yes, but qualified with the following "Sadly it means nothing will change for the people of Southampton"

"You have got to be some chum of Madelson within NuLabour for trying to spin the facts" No I'm an ordinary voter, who's gone out and voted for the party that I believe will do the best for both the City and therefore me as a resident. As is my right, to vote for who I choose whether you or anyone else disagree. I may even disagree with someone elses choice, it doesn't make me any better than them.

"Spreading falsehoods appear to has become speciality of disturbingly large number of people in politics and their fans." And you only speak the truth. Why should I believe your views are correct, or any better than mine or anyone else.

"Thanks to likes of you it is hardly surprising many ordinary people have started losing faith in politics and are turning even to UKIP" I strongly resent your bullying tone and insults, you appear (in my opinion) to resent others voting for anything other than your political beliefs.

Your constant carping on about NuLabour does not do you any favours. Accept there has been change. Change can be for the good as well as bad Good or Bad depends on your point of view. Move on. Look forward not back. Maybe the party no longer represents you or your views, maybe it now represents the views of plenty of others.

Rant over...for now.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: They're all out today, Paramjit just can't accept that more people voted for Labour that the others and thos that did vote Labour are incable of intelligent thought. And Southy, who insists that a net gain of two voters is a platform for growth (or maybe stagnation). Sore losers? You decide.[/p][/quote]You have got to be some chum of Madelson within NuLabour for trying to spin the facts and twist those to suit for mud slinging . Have you bothered even to read the very first comment on this thread? What does the very first line read? Where did I say I do not accept the fact that NuLabour has won? Spreading falsehoods appear to has become speciality of disturbingly large number of people in politics and their fans. Also the habit of spoilt kids with keyboard. Only you will know which group you belong to. Thanks to likes of you it is hardly surprising many ordinary people have started losing faith in politics and are turning even to UKIP[/p][/quote]"Congratulations to NuLabour for holding on to Woolston." Yes, but qualified with the following "Sadly it means nothing will change for the people of Southampton" "You have got to be some chum of Madelson within NuLabour for trying to spin the facts" No I'm an ordinary voter, who's gone out and voted for the party that I believe will do the best for both the City and therefore me as a resident. As is my right, to vote for who I choose whether you or anyone else disagree. I may even disagree with someone elses choice, it doesn't make me any better than them. "Spreading falsehoods appear to has become speciality of disturbingly large number of people in politics and their fans." And you only speak the truth. Why should I believe your views are correct, or any better than mine or anyone else. "Thanks to likes of you it is hardly surprising many ordinary people have started losing faith in politics and are turning even to UKIP" I strongly resent your bullying tone and insults, you appear (in my opinion) to resent others voting for anything other than your political beliefs. Your constant carping on about NuLabour does not do you any favours. Accept there has been change. Change can be for the good as well as bad Good or Bad depends on your point of view. Move on. Look forward not back. Maybe the party no longer represents you or your views, maybe it now represents the views of plenty of others. Rant over...for now. owen_thesaints
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4:33pm Fri 14 Jun 13

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Williams 1,600 vote now 864 votes UKIP with 740 votes?
looks like UKIP are going to be a very big threat to the Labour Party in Southampton as if I'm not wrong the Tory vote has stayed the same but the Labour vote has been halved so who's looking over their shoulder?
Well done UKIP but to get rid of this incompetent council you will have to try harder to win more of their votes
Labour got rid of the incompetent council.
Sorry did you say "Labour"? don't you mean Labours pay masters contrived false industrial action.
sent out letters telling they're members to vote Labour bought in outside Union members to knock doors & tell people to vote Labour?
as for incompetent?
Minimal cuts to jobs & services,no increase in council tax,applied for a grant to keep weekly bin collections,hired more bin personnel,put out a blueprint to take this city forward which this present council has stuck with & claimed it as it's own?
Labour put in plans for high density housing on the Vospers site the residents weren't happy so when the Tories got in they cut the amount of properties only for Labour liars to go out & protest about the high density & it seems the people of Woolston fell for this.
Didn't the Labour Party get the Echo involved in flats in Woolston only to do nothing when elected?
Didn't Furnmell & his mates promise no Lidls & attack anyone in favour of it? yet voted it in?
Linesman you can be as loyal as you like but the drop in Tory votes was expected at this point of Government but for Labour to lose approximately 50% of it's vote should worry you & as it seems to be UKIP who's taking it I congratulated them but it doesn't mean I vote for them yet!
Oh i just hate BAD LOSERS ..........
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Williams 1,600 vote now 864 votes UKIP with 740 votes? looks like UKIP are going to be a very big threat to the Labour Party in Southampton as if I'm not wrong the Tory vote has stayed the same but the Labour vote has been halved so who's looking over their shoulder? Well done UKIP but to get rid of this incompetent council you will have to try harder to win more of their votes[/p][/quote]Labour got rid of the incompetent council.[/p][/quote]Sorry did you say "Labour"? don't you mean Labours pay masters contrived false industrial action. sent out letters telling they're members to vote Labour bought in outside Union members to knock doors & tell people to vote Labour? as for incompetent? Minimal cuts to jobs & services,no increase in council tax,applied for a grant to keep weekly bin collections,hired more bin personnel,put out a blueprint to take this city forward which this present council has stuck with & claimed it as it's own? Labour put in plans for high density housing on the Vospers site the residents weren't happy so when the Tories got in they cut the amount of properties only for Labour liars to go out & protest about the high density & it seems the people of Woolston fell for this. Didn't the Labour Party get the Echo involved in flats in Woolston only to do nothing when elected? Didn't Furnmell & his mates promise no Lidls & attack anyone in favour of it? yet voted it in? Linesman you can be as loyal as you like but the drop in Tory votes was expected at this point of Government but for Labour to lose approximately 50% of it's vote should worry you & as it seems to be UKIP who's taking it I congratulated them but it doesn't mean I vote for them yet![/p][/quote]Oh i just hate BAD LOSERS .......... Lone Ranger.
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4:43pm Fri 14 Jun 13

The Watcher says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
You lose nothing by talking, you may find many areas of common purpose, one being to beat Labour in Southampton in 2014, not a bad start.
I would suggest that everything would be lost as though traditional Labour voters who in this election turned to UKIP as a protest vote would not vote for a Con/UKIP right wing coalition if they felt they would actually succeed.
.
The Conservative Party at both a local and national level need to appeal to a broader section of the electorate and lurches to the right (inc deals with UKIP) are not going to achieve that.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: You lose nothing by talking, you may find many areas of common purpose, one being to beat Labour in Southampton in 2014, not a bad start.[/p][/quote]I would suggest that everything would be lost as though traditional Labour voters who in this election turned to UKIP as a protest vote would not vote for a Con/UKIP right wing coalition if they felt they would actually succeed. . The Conservative Party at both a local and national level need to appeal to a broader section of the electorate and lurches to the right (inc deals with UKIP) are not going to achieve that. The Watcher
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6:12pm Fri 14 Jun 13

Linesman says...

southy wrote:
Linesman
UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.
But the TUSC have gained nothing.

They are stuck in the dark ages and either cannot see that the world has changed, or if they can, refuse to accept it.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Linesman UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.[/p][/quote]But the TUSC have gained nothing. They are stuck in the dark ages and either cannot see that the world has changed, or if they can, refuse to accept it. Linesman
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6:17pm Fri 14 Jun 13

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
Let's get this straight I vote Tory!
For many years now we've had Labour laughing at the Tories saying they're losing scores of voters to UKIP.
Now read the figures from when Williams won Woolston & then read the figures from this election?
Who's losing votes to UKIP?
Crikey it says it all when Southy can see it's Labour in this city that's under threat from UKIP yet Labour supporters can't
Where did your beloved Tories come?

Did they poll more votes than Labour?

Did they run them a close second?

UKIP appears to be doing to the Tories, what the Tories once did to the Liberals and then the LibDDems.

It is not the Labour Party that is cosying up to UKIP, it is the Tories.

Screwing up the country by linking up with the LibDems, and now they have an eye on doing the same thing with UKIP.

What a fiasco.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Let's get this straight I vote Tory! For many years now we've had Labour laughing at the Tories saying they're losing scores of voters to UKIP. Now read the figures from when Williams won Woolston & then read the figures from this election? Who's losing votes to UKIP? Crikey it says it all when Southy can see it's Labour in this city that's under threat from UKIP yet Labour supporters can't[/p][/quote]Where did your beloved Tories come? Did they poll more votes than Labour? Did they run them a close second? UKIP appears to be doing to the Tories, what the Tories once did to the Liberals and then the LibDDems. It is not the Labour Party that is cosying up to UKIP, it is the Tories. Screwing up the country by linking up with the LibDems, and now they have an eye on doing the same thing with UKIP. What a fiasco. Linesman
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6:54pm Fri 14 Jun 13

southy says...

Linesman wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman
UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.
But the TUSC have gained nothing.

They are stuck in the dark ages and either cannot see that the world has changed, or if they can, refuse to accept it.
TUSC are new only been around since 2010, UKIP have been around since 1992, they are getting close to be able to start thinking about winning a council, (but not southampton), With the TUSC it needs a better way of getting its message out, it need more media coverage that i think will take a few more years yet.
Next year will say alot about the elections, by rights Labour should not lose controll of the council now till 2016 at the earlist. Its the conditions of politics where Labour as moved to the right, its allowing the extremist in.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Linesman UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.[/p][/quote]But the TUSC have gained nothing. They are stuck in the dark ages and either cannot see that the world has changed, or if they can, refuse to accept it.[/p][/quote]TUSC are new only been around since 2010, UKIP have been around since 1992, they are getting close to be able to start thinking about winning a council, (but not southampton), With the TUSC it needs a better way of getting its message out, it need more media coverage that i think will take a few more years yet. Next year will say alot about the elections, by rights Labour should not lose controll of the council now till 2016 at the earlist. Its the conditions of politics where Labour as moved to the right, its allowing the extremist in. southy
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7:46pm Fri 14 Jun 13

Linesman says...

southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman
UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.
But the TUSC have gained nothing.

They are stuck in the dark ages and either cannot see that the world has changed, or if they can, refuse to accept it.
TUSC are new only been around since 2010, UKIP have been around since 1992, they are getting close to be able to start thinking about winning a council, (but not southampton), With the TUSC it needs a better way of getting its message out, it need more media coverage that i think will take a few more years yet.
Next year will say alot about the elections, by rights Labour should not lose controll of the council now till 2016 at the earlist. Its the conditions of politics where Labour as moved to the right, its allowing the extremist in.
They may be a new party, but they are stuck with old ideas that have no bearing on today's world.

The three main parties have all changed in an attempt to adapt to the current needs and situation.

You say that Labour has moved to the right. Perhaps it has, but that would be because it cannot re-fight battles that have already been fought and won.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Linesman UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.[/p][/quote]But the TUSC have gained nothing. They are stuck in the dark ages and either cannot see that the world has changed, or if they can, refuse to accept it.[/p][/quote]TUSC are new only been around since 2010, UKIP have been around since 1992, they are getting close to be able to start thinking about winning a council, (but not southampton), With the TUSC it needs a better way of getting its message out, it need more media coverage that i think will take a few more years yet. Next year will say alot about the elections, by rights Labour should not lose controll of the council now till 2016 at the earlist. Its the conditions of politics where Labour as moved to the right, its allowing the extremist in.[/p][/quote]They may be a new party, but they are stuck with old ideas that have no bearing on today's world. The three main parties have all changed in an attempt to adapt to the current needs and situation. You say that Labour has moved to the right. Perhaps it has, but that would be because it cannot re-fight battles that have already been fought and won. Linesman
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8:24pm Fri 14 Jun 13

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman
UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.
Most will rightly agree with that statement of fact.

But what are the going to do about this latest fashion statement in politics?

Because they have hardly any policies it is difficult to pin them down. Only way to expose them is what the lady from TV in Bulgaria did to Farage in interview shown on Ch4 or what was done to him in Scotland
"what was done to him in Scotland". It's slightly worrying when the old style communist/Nazi tactics are employed where debate is replaced with thuggery. Don't lose heart when you can't defeat someone's argument, there are always the idiots waiting to be unleashed, and they just enjoy the fight without understanding the reasoning behind it.
Yes thats is what happens when you let politics move more to the right wing aka Capitalism you will end up with that old style Capitalist Communism or worse still extreme right wing Nazism.
I know it's cruel to bait you but your responses are so predictable and amusing however many times you make them. Perhaps the breakthrough will come next time, or the time after that, or.............
Your not baiting just that you don't have any answers, as for breakthough that takes time Rome was not built in a day.
UKIP seem to have got the Footings in, the concrete poured and the walls built up to Plate level, but I suppose you have a ready excuse to explain this away.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Linesman UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.[/p][/quote]Most will rightly agree with that statement of fact. But what are the going to do about this latest fashion statement in politics? Because they have hardly any policies it is difficult to pin them down. Only way to expose them is what the lady from TV in Bulgaria did to Farage in interview shown on Ch4 or what was done to him in Scotland[/p][/quote]"what was done to him in Scotland". It's slightly worrying when the old style communist/Nazi tactics are employed where debate is replaced with thuggery. Don't lose heart when you can't defeat someone's argument, there are always the idiots waiting to be unleashed, and they just enjoy the fight without understanding the reasoning behind it.[/p][/quote]Yes thats is what happens when you let politics move more to the right wing aka Capitalism you will end up with that old style Capitalist Communism or worse still extreme right wing Nazism.[/p][/quote]I know it's cruel to bait you but your responses are so predictable and amusing however many times you make them. Perhaps the breakthrough will come next time, or the time after that, or.............[/p][/quote]Your not baiting just that you don't have any answers, as for breakthough that takes time Rome was not built in a day.[/p][/quote]UKIP seem to have got the Footings in, the concrete poured and the walls built up to Plate level, but I suppose you have a ready excuse to explain this away. Torchie1
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8:31pm Fri 14 Jun 13

Torchie1 says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman
UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.
Most will rightly agree with that statement of fact.

But what are the going to do about this latest fashion statement in politics?

Because they have hardly any policies it is difficult to pin them down. Only way to expose them is what the lady from TV in Bulgaria did to Farage in interview shown on Ch4 or what was done to him in Scotland
"what was done to him in Scotland". It's slightly worrying when the old style communist/Nazi tactics are employed where debate is replaced with thuggery. Don't lose heart when you can't defeat someone's argument, there are always the idiots waiting to be unleashed, and they just enjoy the fight without understanding the reasoning behind it.
Oh come on..... Nobody can insult SNP of fascism, they are nationalist not the fascists of Nazis.
Now you're employing the good old socialist tactics of misinterpretation, and if you reread what I wrote you might see that I said the tactics of the communist/Nazi party were being used which is somewhat different from accusing them of being communist/Nazi. When will you and Southy wake up to the fact that fringe party politics and extremism will never be voted for in the UK while the recent world history shows the hazards involved.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Linesman UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.[/p][/quote]Most will rightly agree with that statement of fact. But what are the going to do about this latest fashion statement in politics? Because they have hardly any policies it is difficult to pin them down. Only way to expose them is what the lady from TV in Bulgaria did to Farage in interview shown on Ch4 or what was done to him in Scotland[/p][/quote]"what was done to him in Scotland". It's slightly worrying when the old style communist/Nazi tactics are employed where debate is replaced with thuggery. Don't lose heart when you can't defeat someone's argument, there are always the idiots waiting to be unleashed, and they just enjoy the fight without understanding the reasoning behind it.[/p][/quote]Oh come on..... Nobody can insult SNP of fascism, they are nationalist not the fascists of Nazis.[/p][/quote]Now you're employing the good old socialist tactics of misinterpretation, and if you reread what I wrote you might see that I said the tactics of the communist/Nazi party were being used which is somewhat different from accusing them of being communist/Nazi. When will you and Southy wake up to the fact that fringe party politics and extremism will never be voted for in the UK while the recent world history shows the hazards involved. Torchie1
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9:05pm Fri 14 Jun 13

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Let's get this straight I vote Tory!
For many years now we've had Labour laughing at the Tories saying they're losing scores of voters to UKIP.
Now read the figures from when Williams won Woolston & then read the figures from this election?
Who's losing votes to UKIP?
Crikey it says it all when Southy can see it's Labour in this city that's under threat from UKIP yet Labour supporters can't
Where did your beloved Tories come?

Did they poll more votes than Labour?

Did they run them a close second?

UKIP appears to be doing to the Tories, what the Tories once did to the Liberals and then the LibDDems.

It is not the Labour Party that is cosying up to UKIP, it is the Tories.

Screwing up the country by linking up with the LibDems, and now they have an eye on doing the same thing with UKIP.

What a fiasco.
Linesman have you gone senile?
I only ask that as you seem to think the Tory Party that is half way through a parliament having to take severe measures thanks to the inept way Labour run the country should have done well in a local council election?
No one expected that to happen & for the Tories to keep hold of so much of their vote is a great achievement.
But your can do no wrong beloved Labour Party has lost 50% of it's vote at a time when it should be gaining votes?
If anything the losers today were actually the so called winners.
UKIP were the actual winners & if they continue to take Labour votes like this it will be a UKIP / Tory
MP not a Labour one for Itchen so I really can't get how Southy can see this but you & the other Labour supporters can"t?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Let's get this straight I vote Tory! For many years now we've had Labour laughing at the Tories saying they're losing scores of voters to UKIP. Now read the figures from when Williams won Woolston & then read the figures from this election? Who's losing votes to UKIP? Crikey it says it all when Southy can see it's Labour in this city that's under threat from UKIP yet Labour supporters can't[/p][/quote]Where did your beloved Tories come? Did they poll more votes than Labour? Did they run them a close second? UKIP appears to be doing to the Tories, what the Tories once did to the Liberals and then the LibDDems. It is not the Labour Party that is cosying up to UKIP, it is the Tories. Screwing up the country by linking up with the LibDems, and now they have an eye on doing the same thing with UKIP. What a fiasco.[/p][/quote]Linesman have you gone senile? I only ask that as you seem to think the Tory Party that is half way through a parliament having to take severe measures thanks to the inept way Labour run the country should have done well in a local council election? No one expected that to happen & for the Tories to keep hold of so much of their vote is a great achievement. But your can do no wrong beloved Labour Party has lost 50% of it's vote at a time when it should be gaining votes? If anything the losers today were actually the so called winners. UKIP were the actual winners & if they continue to take Labour votes like this it will be a UKIP / Tory MP not a Labour one for Itchen so I really can't get how Southy can see this but you & the other Labour supporters can"t? loosehead
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9:07pm Fri 14 Jun 13

southy says...

Linesman wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman
UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.
But the TUSC have gained nothing.

They are stuck in the dark ages and either cannot see that the world has changed, or if they can, refuse to accept it.
TUSC are new only been around since 2010, UKIP have been around since 1992, they are getting close to be able to start thinking about winning a council, (but not southampton), With the TUSC it needs a better way of getting its message out, it need more media coverage that i think will take a few more years yet.
Next year will say alot about the elections, by rights Labour should not lose controll of the council now till 2016 at the earlist. Its the conditions of politics where Labour as moved to the right, its allowing the extremist in.
They may be a new party, but they are stuck with old ideas that have no bearing on today's world.

The three main parties have all changed in an attempt to adapt to the current needs and situation.

You say that Labour has moved to the right. Perhaps it has, but that would be because it cannot re-fight battles that have already been fought and won.
Labour giving those wins on those grounds to Torys, Labour is now just doing what the Torys want them to do.
Like they say you might of won the battles but you have not won the war.
Think about it, where will Labour be in 20 years time, they be no different from the Torys in the 1890's. you allowed the Labour party move so far right wing, that your handing over all that was won to the Capitalist.
We are going to have go though all those battles again to take back what Labour as handed over on a silver plate.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Linesman UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.[/p][/quote]But the TUSC have gained nothing. They are stuck in the dark ages and either cannot see that the world has changed, or if they can, refuse to accept it.[/p][/quote]TUSC are new only been around since 2010, UKIP have been around since 1992, they are getting close to be able to start thinking about winning a council, (but not southampton), With the TUSC it needs a better way of getting its message out, it need more media coverage that i think will take a few more years yet. Next year will say alot about the elections, by rights Labour should not lose controll of the council now till 2016 at the earlist. Its the conditions of politics where Labour as moved to the right, its allowing the extremist in.[/p][/quote]They may be a new party, but they are stuck with old ideas that have no bearing on today's world. The three main parties have all changed in an attempt to adapt to the current needs and situation. You say that Labour has moved to the right. Perhaps it has, but that would be because it cannot re-fight battles that have already been fought and won.[/p][/quote]Labour giving those wins on those grounds to Torys, Labour is now just doing what the Torys want them to do. Like they say you might of won the battles but you have not won the war. Think about it, where will Labour be in 20 years time, they be no different from the Torys in the 1890's. you allowed the Labour party move so far right wing, that your handing over all that was won to the Capitalist. We are going to have go though all those battles again to take back what Labour as handed over on a silver plate. southy
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9:07pm Fri 14 Jun 13

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Williams 1,600 vote now 864 votes UKIP with 740 votes?
looks like UKIP are going to be a very big threat to the Labour Party in Southampton as if I'm not wrong the Tory vote has stayed the same but the Labour vote has been halved so who's looking over their shoulder?
Well done UKIP but to get rid of this incompetent council you will have to try harder to win more of their votes
Labour got rid of the incompetent council.
Sorry did you say "Labour"? don't you mean Labours pay masters contrived false industrial action.
sent out letters telling they're members to vote Labour bought in outside Union members to knock doors & tell people to vote Labour?
as for incompetent?
Minimal cuts to jobs & services,no increase in council tax,applied for a grant to keep weekly bin collections,hired more bin personnel,put out a blueprint to take this city forward which this present council has stuck with & claimed it as it's own?
Labour put in plans for high density housing on the Vospers site the residents weren't happy so when the Tories got in they cut the amount of properties only for Labour liars to go out & protest about the high density & it seems the people of Woolston fell for this.
Didn't the Labour Party get the Echo involved in flats in Woolston only to do nothing when elected?
Didn't Furnmell & his mates promise no Lidls & attack anyone in favour of it? yet voted it in?
Linesman you can be as loyal as you like but the drop in Tory votes was expected at this point of Government but for Labour to lose approximately 50% of it's vote should worry you & as it seems to be UKIP who's taking it I congratulated them but it doesn't mean I vote for them yet!
Oh i just hate BAD LOSERS ..........
So losing 50% of your vote doesn't make you a loser?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Williams 1,600 vote now 864 votes UKIP with 740 votes? looks like UKIP are going to be a very big threat to the Labour Party in Southampton as if I'm not wrong the Tory vote has stayed the same but the Labour vote has been halved so who's looking over their shoulder? Well done UKIP but to get rid of this incompetent council you will have to try harder to win more of their votes[/p][/quote]Labour got rid of the incompetent council.[/p][/quote]Sorry did you say "Labour"? don't you mean Labours pay masters contrived false industrial action. sent out letters telling they're members to vote Labour bought in outside Union members to knock doors & tell people to vote Labour? as for incompetent? Minimal cuts to jobs & services,no increase in council tax,applied for a grant to keep weekly bin collections,hired more bin personnel,put out a blueprint to take this city forward which this present council has stuck with & claimed it as it's own? Labour put in plans for high density housing on the Vospers site the residents weren't happy so when the Tories got in they cut the amount of properties only for Labour liars to go out & protest about the high density & it seems the people of Woolston fell for this. Didn't the Labour Party get the Echo involved in flats in Woolston only to do nothing when elected? Didn't Furnmell & his mates promise no Lidls & attack anyone in favour of it? yet voted it in? Linesman you can be as loyal as you like but the drop in Tory votes was expected at this point of Government but for Labour to lose approximately 50% of it's vote should worry you & as it seems to be UKIP who's taking it I congratulated them but it doesn't mean I vote for them yet![/p][/quote]Oh i just hate BAD LOSERS ..........[/p][/quote]So losing 50% of your vote doesn't make you a loser? loosehead
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9:09pm Fri 14 Jun 13

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman
UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.
Most will rightly agree with that statement of fact.

But what are the going to do about this latest fashion statement in politics?

Because they have hardly any policies it is difficult to pin them down. Only way to expose them is what the lady from TV in Bulgaria did to Farage in interview shown on Ch4 or what was done to him in Scotland
"what was done to him in Scotland". It's slightly worrying when the old style communist/Nazi tactics are employed where debate is replaced with thuggery. Don't lose heart when you can't defeat someone's argument, there are always the idiots waiting to be unleashed, and they just enjoy the fight without understanding the reasoning behind it.
Yes thats is what happens when you let politics move more to the right wing aka Capitalism you will end up with that old style Capitalist Communism or worse still extreme right wing Nazism.
I know it's cruel to bait you but your responses are so predictable and amusing however many times you make them. Perhaps the breakthrough will come next time, or the time after that, or.............
Your not baiting just that you don't have any answers, as for breakthough that takes time Rome was not built in a day.
UKIP seem to have got the Footings in, the concrete poured and the walls built up to Plate level, but I suppose you have a ready excuse to explain this away.
Don't be daft Tourchie, Ukip only in the stage of marking out for ground work
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Linesman UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.[/p][/quote]Most will rightly agree with that statement of fact. But what are the going to do about this latest fashion statement in politics? Because they have hardly any policies it is difficult to pin them down. Only way to expose them is what the lady from TV in Bulgaria did to Farage in interview shown on Ch4 or what was done to him in Scotland[/p][/quote]"what was done to him in Scotland". It's slightly worrying when the old style communist/Nazi tactics are employed where debate is replaced with thuggery. Don't lose heart when you can't defeat someone's argument, there are always the idiots waiting to be unleashed, and they just enjoy the fight without understanding the reasoning behind it.[/p][/quote]Yes thats is what happens when you let politics move more to the right wing aka Capitalism you will end up with that old style Capitalist Communism or worse still extreme right wing Nazism.[/p][/quote]I know it's cruel to bait you but your responses are so predictable and amusing however many times you make them. Perhaps the breakthrough will come next time, or the time after that, or.............[/p][/quote]Your not baiting just that you don't have any answers, as for breakthough that takes time Rome was not built in a day.[/p][/quote]UKIP seem to have got the Footings in, the concrete poured and the walls built up to Plate level, but I suppose you have a ready excuse to explain this away.[/p][/quote]Don't be daft Tourchie, Ukip only in the stage of marking out for ground work southy
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9:14pm Fri 14 Jun 13

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman
UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.
Most will rightly agree with that statement of fact.

But what are the going to do about this latest fashion statement in politics?

Because they have hardly any policies it is difficult to pin them down. Only way to expose them is what the lady from TV in Bulgaria did to Farage in interview shown on Ch4 or what was done to him in Scotland
"what was done to him in Scotland". It's slightly worrying when the old style communist/Nazi tactics are employed where debate is replaced with thuggery. Don't lose heart when you can't defeat someone's argument, there are always the idiots waiting to be unleashed, and they just enjoy the fight without understanding the reasoning behind it.
Yes thats is what happens when you let politics move more to the right wing aka Capitalism you will end up with that old style Capitalist Communism or worse still extreme right wing Nazism.
I know it's cruel to bait you but your responses are so predictable and amusing however many times you make them. Perhaps the breakthrough will come next time, or the time after that, or.............
Your not baiting just that you don't have any answers, as for breakthough that takes time Rome was not built in a day.
UKIP seem to have got the Footings in, the concrete poured and the walls built up to Plate level, but I suppose you have a ready excuse to explain this away.
Don't be daft Tourchie, Ukip only in the stage of marking out for ground work
funny how the Labour voters turned to UKIP & not to the TUSC isn't it?
Southy can you explain to these Labour supporters that Labours vote dropped by 800approx.(50%) & UKIP got 740 votes? 800+740=1,540? looks similar to Williams vote doesn't it?
Labour should be the party that's scared shouldn't they?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Linesman UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.[/p][/quote]Most will rightly agree with that statement of fact. But what are the going to do about this latest fashion statement in politics? Because they have hardly any policies it is difficult to pin them down. Only way to expose them is what the lady from TV in Bulgaria did to Farage in interview shown on Ch4 or what was done to him in Scotland[/p][/quote]"what was done to him in Scotland". It's slightly worrying when the old style communist/Nazi tactics are employed where debate is replaced with thuggery. Don't lose heart when you can't defeat someone's argument, there are always the idiots waiting to be unleashed, and they just enjoy the fight without understanding the reasoning behind it.[/p][/quote]Yes thats is what happens when you let politics move more to the right wing aka Capitalism you will end up with that old style Capitalist Communism or worse still extreme right wing Nazism.[/p][/quote]I know it's cruel to bait you but your responses are so predictable and amusing however many times you make them. Perhaps the breakthrough will come next time, or the time after that, or.............[/p][/quote]Your not baiting just that you don't have any answers, as for breakthough that takes time Rome was not built in a day.[/p][/quote]UKIP seem to have got the Footings in, the concrete poured and the walls built up to Plate level, but I suppose you have a ready excuse to explain this away.[/p][/quote]Don't be daft Tourchie, Ukip only in the stage of marking out for ground work[/p][/quote]funny how the Labour voters turned to UKIP & not to the TUSC isn't it? Southy can you explain to these Labour supporters that Labours vote dropped by 800approx.(50%) & UKIP got 740 votes? 800+740=1,540? looks similar to Williams vote doesn't it? Labour should be the party that's scared shouldn't they? loosehead
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9:14pm Fri 14 Jun 13

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman
UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.
Most will rightly agree with that statement of fact.

But what are the going to do about this latest fashion statement in politics?

Because they have hardly any policies it is difficult to pin them down. Only way to expose them is what the lady from TV in Bulgaria did to Farage in interview shown on Ch4 or what was done to him in Scotland
"what was done to him in Scotland". It's slightly worrying when the old style communist/Nazi tactics are employed where debate is replaced with thuggery. Don't lose heart when you can't defeat someone's argument, there are always the idiots waiting to be unleashed, and they just enjoy the fight without understanding the reasoning behind it.
Oh come on..... Nobody can insult SNP of fascism, they are nationalist not the fascists of Nazis.
Now you're employing the good old socialist tactics of misinterpretation, and if you reread what I wrote you might see that I said the tactics of the communist/Nazi party were being used which is somewhat different from accusing them of being communist/Nazi. When will you and Southy wake up to the fact that fringe party politics and extremism will never be voted for in the UK while the recent world history shows the hazards involved.
What do you mean never don't you know any thing about politics, its been moving more and more to extreme right wing policy, its been doing that now for nearly 30 years, because of Labour started moving to the right, in the end if it not stop soon you will see Capitalist Communism (like Stalin era) or your going to end up with Nationalism (like Hitler Germany) take your pick.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Linesman UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.[/p][/quote]Most will rightly agree with that statement of fact. But what are the going to do about this latest fashion statement in politics? Because they have hardly any policies it is difficult to pin them down. Only way to expose them is what the lady from TV in Bulgaria did to Farage in interview shown on Ch4 or what was done to him in Scotland[/p][/quote]"what was done to him in Scotland". It's slightly worrying when the old style communist/Nazi tactics are employed where debate is replaced with thuggery. Don't lose heart when you can't defeat someone's argument, there are always the idiots waiting to be unleashed, and they just enjoy the fight without understanding the reasoning behind it.[/p][/quote]Oh come on..... Nobody can insult SNP of fascism, they are nationalist not the fascists of Nazis.[/p][/quote]Now you're employing the good old socialist tactics of misinterpretation, and if you reread what I wrote you might see that I said the tactics of the communist/Nazi party were being used which is somewhat different from accusing them of being communist/Nazi. When will you and Southy wake up to the fact that fringe party politics and extremism will never be voted for in the UK while the recent world history shows the hazards involved.[/p][/quote]What do you mean never don't you know any thing about politics, its been moving more and more to extreme right wing policy, its been doing that now for nearly 30 years, because of Labour started moving to the right, in the end if it not stop soon you will see Capitalist Communism (like Stalin era) or your going to end up with Nationalism (like Hitler Germany) take your pick. southy
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9:23pm Fri 14 Jun 13

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman
UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.
Most will rightly agree with that statement of fact.

But what are the going to do about this latest fashion statement in politics?

Because they have hardly any policies it is difficult to pin them down. Only way to expose them is what the lady from TV in Bulgaria did to Farage in interview shown on Ch4 or what was done to him in Scotland
"what was done to him in Scotland". It's slightly worrying when the old style communist/Nazi tactics are employed where debate is replaced with thuggery. Don't lose heart when you can't defeat someone's argument, there are always the idiots waiting to be unleashed, and they just enjoy the fight without understanding the reasoning behind it.
Yes thats is what happens when you let politics move more to the right wing aka Capitalism you will end up with that old style Capitalist Communism or worse still extreme right wing Nazism.
I know it's cruel to bait you but your responses are so predictable and amusing however many times you make them. Perhaps the breakthrough will come next time, or the time after that, or.............
Your not baiting just that you don't have any answers, as for breakthough that takes time Rome was not built in a day.
UKIP seem to have got the Footings in, the concrete poured and the walls built up to Plate level, but I suppose you have a ready excuse to explain this away.
Don't be daft Tourchie, Ukip only in the stage of marking out for ground work
funny how the Labour voters turned to UKIP & not to the TUSC isn't it?
Southy can you explain to these Labour supporters that Labours vote dropped by 800approx.(50%) & UKIP got 740 votes? 800+740=1,540? looks similar to Williams vote doesn't it?
Labour should be the party that's scared shouldn't they?
UKIP only got one thing on offer to the workers and that is the EU vote, but thats at national level, local level they will do what the government wants them to do more cuts.
If you knew what went on Loose you would not be asking that question.
As for being scared to early to tell really but they should be worried about it, this could be only a protest vote against Labour (heres your reason why they did not vote TUSC if they had done and the ordinary workers see the result of say TUSC coming second then next May elections would of snowballed out of Labour controll, it will only take 1 good return and that will happen M.Tucker knows this all ready, the threats he made towards Unsion members of being expelled from the union if they supports the TUSC)
Wait till next May and you will know if it was a protest vote or people are about to make changes.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Linesman UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.[/p][/quote]Most will rightly agree with that statement of fact. But what are the going to do about this latest fashion statement in politics? Because they have hardly any policies it is difficult to pin them down. Only way to expose them is what the lady from TV in Bulgaria did to Farage in interview shown on Ch4 or what was done to him in Scotland[/p][/quote]"what was done to him in Scotland". It's slightly worrying when the old style communist/Nazi tactics are employed where debate is replaced with thuggery. Don't lose heart when you can't defeat someone's argument, there are always the idiots waiting to be unleashed, and they just enjoy the fight without understanding the reasoning behind it.[/p][/quote]Yes thats is what happens when you let politics move more to the right wing aka Capitalism you will end up with that old style Capitalist Communism or worse still extreme right wing Nazism.[/p][/quote]I know it's cruel to bait you but your responses are so predictable and amusing however many times you make them. Perhaps the breakthrough will come next time, or the time after that, or.............[/p][/quote]Your not baiting just that you don't have any answers, as for breakthough that takes time Rome was not built in a day.[/p][/quote]UKIP seem to have got the Footings in, the concrete poured and the walls built up to Plate level, but I suppose you have a ready excuse to explain this away.[/p][/quote]Don't be daft Tourchie, Ukip only in the stage of marking out for ground work[/p][/quote]funny how the Labour voters turned to UKIP & not to the TUSC isn't it? Southy can you explain to these Labour supporters that Labours vote dropped by 800approx.(50%) & UKIP got 740 votes? 800+740=1,540? looks similar to Williams vote doesn't it? Labour should be the party that's scared shouldn't they?[/p][/quote]UKIP only got one thing on offer to the workers and that is the EU vote, but thats at national level, local level they will do what the government wants them to do more cuts. If you knew what went on Loose you would not be asking that question. As for being scared to early to tell really but they should be worried about it, this could be only a protest vote against Labour (heres your reason why they did not vote TUSC if they had done and the ordinary workers see the result of say TUSC coming second then next May elections would of snowballed out of Labour controll, it will only take 1 good return and that will happen M.Tucker knows this all ready, the threats he made towards Unsion members of being expelled from the union if they supports the TUSC) Wait till next May and you will know if it was a protest vote or people are about to make changes. southy
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10:40pm Fri 14 Jun 13

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Williams 1,600 vote now 864 votes UKIP with 740 votes?
looks like UKIP are going to be a very big threat to the Labour Party in Southampton as if I'm not wrong the Tory vote has stayed the same but the Labour vote has been halved so who's looking over their shoulder?
Well done UKIP but to get rid of this incompetent council you will have to try harder to win more of their votes
Labour got rid of the incompetent council.
Sorry did you say "Labour"? don't you mean Labours pay masters contrived false industrial action.
sent out letters telling they're members to vote Labour bought in outside Union members to knock doors & tell people to vote Labour?
as for incompetent?
Minimal cuts to jobs & services,no increase in council tax,applied for a grant to keep weekly bin collections,hired more bin personnel,put out a blueprint to take this city forward which this present council has stuck with & claimed it as it's own?
Labour put in plans for high density housing on the Vospers site the residents weren't happy so when the Tories got in they cut the amount of properties only for Labour liars to go out & protest about the high density & it seems the people of Woolston fell for this.
Didn't the Labour Party get the Echo involved in flats in Woolston only to do nothing when elected?
Didn't Furnmell & his mates promise no Lidls & attack anyone in favour of it? yet voted it in?
Linesman you can be as loyal as you like but the drop in Tory votes was expected at this point of Government but for Labour to lose approximately 50% of it's vote should worry you & as it seems to be UKIP who's taking it I congratulated them but it doesn't mean I vote for them yet!
Oh i just hate BAD LOSERS ..........
So losing 50% of your vote doesn't make you a loser?
No i think if you look at the result you will see that Labour came first ... yes they won.
.
Oh by the way Tories came third
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Williams 1,600 vote now 864 votes UKIP with 740 votes? looks like UKIP are going to be a very big threat to the Labour Party in Southampton as if I'm not wrong the Tory vote has stayed the same but the Labour vote has been halved so who's looking over their shoulder? Well done UKIP but to get rid of this incompetent council you will have to try harder to win more of their votes[/p][/quote]Labour got rid of the incompetent council.[/p][/quote]Sorry did you say "Labour"? don't you mean Labours pay masters contrived false industrial action. sent out letters telling they're members to vote Labour bought in outside Union members to knock doors & tell people to vote Labour? as for incompetent? Minimal cuts to jobs & services,no increase in council tax,applied for a grant to keep weekly bin collections,hired more bin personnel,put out a blueprint to take this city forward which this present council has stuck with & claimed it as it's own? Labour put in plans for high density housing on the Vospers site the residents weren't happy so when the Tories got in they cut the amount of properties only for Labour liars to go out & protest about the high density & it seems the people of Woolston fell for this. Didn't the Labour Party get the Echo involved in flats in Woolston only to do nothing when elected? Didn't Furnmell & his mates promise no Lidls & attack anyone in favour of it? yet voted it in? Linesman you can be as loyal as you like but the drop in Tory votes was expected at this point of Government but for Labour to lose approximately 50% of it's vote should worry you & as it seems to be UKIP who's taking it I congratulated them but it doesn't mean I vote for them yet![/p][/quote]Oh i just hate BAD LOSERS ..........[/p][/quote]So losing 50% of your vote doesn't make you a loser?[/p][/quote]No i think if you look at the result you will see that Labour came first ... yes they won. . Oh by the way Tories came third Lone Ranger.
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10:58pm Fri 14 Jun 13

Bungy53 says...

The only winner in this by-election was the apathy of the electorate. The low turn-out was pathetic and as a result, the ward can continue to have someone to represent them who will no doubt continue in a similar vein as the past incumbant, given that the Labour party all knew of the lies and dishonesty of ex-councillor Williams and did and said nothing, what a spinless bunch. The 70 odd per cent of the Woolston ward will only have themselves to blame when they have to pay to park outside their own properties, pay to get their green waste to be collected and have received the largest increase in council tax that is permissible.
Shame on all those who don't vote. No doubt they will be the first to moan about anything the city council (whatever colour) introduce that they don't approval of. Democracy is the loser all around.
The only winner in this by-election was the apathy of the electorate. The low turn-out was pathetic and as a result, the ward can continue to have someone to represent them who will no doubt continue in a similar vein as the past incumbant, given that the Labour party all knew of the lies and dishonesty of ex-councillor Williams and did and said nothing, what a spinless bunch. The 70 odd per cent of the Woolston ward will only have themselves to blame when they have to pay to park outside their own properties, pay to get their green waste to be collected and have received the largest increase in council tax that is permissible. Shame on all those who don't vote. No doubt they will be the first to moan about anything the city council (whatever colour) introduce that they don't approval of. Democracy is the loser all around. Bungy53
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11:21pm Fri 14 Jun 13

DrivinMissDayzee says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Williams 1,600 vote now 864 votes UKIP with 740 votes?
looks like UKIP are going to be a very big threat to the Labour Party in Southampton as if I'm not wrong the Tory vote has stayed the same but the Labour vote has been halved so who's looking over their shoulder?
Well done UKIP but to get rid of this incompetent council you will have to try harder to win more of their votes
Labour got rid of the incompetent council.
Sorry did you say "Labour"? don't you mean Labours pay masters contrived false industrial action.
sent out letters telling they're members to vote Labour bought in outside Union members to knock doors & tell people to vote Labour?
as for incompetent?
Minimal cuts to jobs & services,no increase in council tax,applied for a grant to keep weekly bin collections,hired more bin personnel,put out a blueprint to take this city forward which this present council has stuck with & claimed it as it's own?
Labour put in plans for high density housing on the Vospers site the residents weren't happy so when the Tories got in they cut the amount of properties only for Labour liars to go out & protest about the high density & it seems the people of Woolston fell for this.
Didn't the Labour Party get the Echo involved in flats in Woolston only to do nothing when elected?
Didn't Furnmell & his mates promise no Lidls & attack anyone in favour of it? yet voted it in?
Linesman you can be as loyal as you like but the drop in Tory votes was expected at this point of Government but for Labour to lose approximately 50% of it's vote should worry you & as it seems to be UKIP who's taking it I congratulated them but it doesn't mean I vote for them yet!
Oh i just hate BAD LOSERS ..........
Especially those who have no return when faced with the truth....
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Williams 1,600 vote now 864 votes UKIP with 740 votes? looks like UKIP are going to be a very big threat to the Labour Party in Southampton as if I'm not wrong the Tory vote has stayed the same but the Labour vote has been halved so who's looking over their shoulder? Well done UKIP but to get rid of this incompetent council you will have to try harder to win more of their votes[/p][/quote]Labour got rid of the incompetent council.[/p][/quote]Sorry did you say "Labour"? don't you mean Labours pay masters contrived false industrial action. sent out letters telling they're members to vote Labour bought in outside Union members to knock doors & tell people to vote Labour? as for incompetent? Minimal cuts to jobs & services,no increase in council tax,applied for a grant to keep weekly bin collections,hired more bin personnel,put out a blueprint to take this city forward which this present council has stuck with & claimed it as it's own? Labour put in plans for high density housing on the Vospers site the residents weren't happy so when the Tories got in they cut the amount of properties only for Labour liars to go out & protest about the high density & it seems the people of Woolston fell for this. Didn't the Labour Party get the Echo involved in flats in Woolston only to do nothing when elected? Didn't Furnmell & his mates promise no Lidls & attack anyone in favour of it? yet voted it in? Linesman you can be as loyal as you like but the drop in Tory votes was expected at this point of Government but for Labour to lose approximately 50% of it's vote should worry you & as it seems to be UKIP who's taking it I congratulated them but it doesn't mean I vote for them yet![/p][/quote]Oh i just hate BAD LOSERS ..........[/p][/quote]Especially those who have no return when faced with the truth.... DrivinMissDayzee
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6:55am Sat 15 Jun 13

loosehead says...

Labour "HELD" a seat that half way through a parliament they should have romped away with instead they see their lead/vote halved?
UKIP took that 50%/740 votes & Labour are going on about a party who's vote held up quite well compared to theirs?
Let's wait & see after Labours development at the Vospers site springs into action & YES I said Labours as it was Labour who gave planning permission for even greater high density housing than is now going to be as the Tories cut it back due to residents fears.
Will residents be happy with no where to park?
Mind you Housing Association residents are expected to vote Labour aren't they? could this be the reason for flat city?
Labour "HELD" a seat that half way through a parliament they should have romped away with instead they see their lead/vote halved? UKIP took that 50%/740 votes & Labour are going on about a party who's vote held up quite well compared to theirs? Let's wait & see after Labours development at the Vospers site springs into action & YES I said Labours as it was Labour who gave planning permission for even greater high density housing than is now going to be as the Tories cut it back due to residents fears. Will residents be happy with no where to park? Mind you Housing Association residents are expected to vote Labour aren't they? could this be the reason for flat city? loosehead
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8:02am Sat 15 Jun 13

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
Labour "HELD" a seat that half way through a parliament they should have romped away with instead they see their lead/vote halved?
UKIP took that 50%/740 votes & Labour are going on about a party who's vote held up quite well compared to theirs?
Let's wait & see after Labours development at the Vospers site springs into action & YES I said Labours as it was Labour who gave planning permission for even greater high density housing than is now going to be as the Tories cut it back due to residents fears.
Will residents be happy with no where to park?
Mind you Housing Association residents are expected to vote Labour aren't they? could this be the reason for flat city?
Maybe they will be grateful that there is some affordable housing so that their children and grandchildren can, not only remain in the area, but also buy a home of their own in the area.

You have the typical Tory attitude of 'Blow you Jack, I'm alright!'
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Labour "HELD" a seat that half way through a parliament they should have romped away with instead they see their lead/vote halved? UKIP took that 50%/740 votes & Labour are going on about a party who's vote held up quite well compared to theirs? Let's wait & see after Labours development at the Vospers site springs into action & YES I said Labours as it was Labour who gave planning permission for even greater high density housing than is now going to be as the Tories cut it back due to residents fears. Will residents be happy with no where to park? Mind you Housing Association residents are expected to vote Labour aren't they? could this be the reason for flat city?[/p][/quote]Maybe they will be grateful that there is some affordable housing so that their children and grandchildren can, not only remain in the area, but also buy a home of their own in the area. You have the typical Tory attitude of 'Blow you Jack, I'm alright!' Linesman
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9:05am Sat 15 Jun 13

TheColdLightOfDay says...

I really can't believe that anyone's still voting for the liblabcons. But given the local ukip candidate here is anonymous and apparently wasn't even in the country for the weeks running up to the election that he couldn't take part in because of a failure to fill out the application form properly there's really no alternative. Frankly I wouldn't turn out to vote for someone unless they'd been working night and day, elected or not, to be known through their deeds, no one's going to vote for spamoron style sound bites.
I really can't believe that anyone's still voting for the liblabcons. But given the local ukip candidate here is anonymous and apparently wasn't even in the country for the weeks running up to the election that he couldn't take part in because of a failure to fill out the application form properly there's really no alternative. Frankly I wouldn't turn out to vote for someone unless they'd been working night and day, elected or not, to be known through their deeds, no one's going to vote for spamoron style sound bites. TheColdLightOfDay
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12:25pm Sat 15 Jun 13

Paramjit Bahia says...

owen_thesaints wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
owen_thesaints wrote:
They're all out today, Paramjit just can't accept that more people voted for Labour that the others and thos that did vote Labour are incable of intelligent thought. And Southy, who insists that a net gain of two voters is a platform for growth (or maybe stagnation).

Sore losers? You decide.
You have got to be some chum of Madelson within NuLabour for trying to spin the facts and twist those to suit for mud slinging .

Have you bothered even to read the very first comment on this thread? What does the very first line read?

Where did I say I do not accept the fact that NuLabour has won?

Spreading falsehoods appear to has become speciality of disturbingly large number of people in politics and their fans. Also the habit of spoilt kids with keyboard. Only you will know which group you belong to.

Thanks to likes of you it is hardly surprising many ordinary people have started losing faith in politics and are turning even to UKIP
"Congratulation
s to NuLabour for holding on to Woolston."

Yes, but qualified with the following "Sadly it means nothing will change for the people of Southampton"

"You have got to be some chum of Madelson within NuLabour for trying to spin the facts" No I'm an ordinary voter, who's gone out and voted for the party that I believe will do the best for both the City and therefore me as a resident. As is my right, to vote for who I choose whether you or anyone else disagree. I may even disagree with someone elses choice, it doesn't make me any better than them.

"Spreading falsehoods appear to has become speciality of disturbingly large number of people in politics and their fans." And you only speak the truth. Why should I believe your views are correct, or any better than mine or anyone else.

"Thanks to likes of you it is hardly surprising many ordinary people have started losing faith in politics and are turning even to UKIP" I strongly resent your bullying tone and insults, you appear (in my opinion) to resent others voting for anything other than your political beliefs.

Your constant carping on about NuLabour does not do you any favours. Accept there has been change. Change can be for the good as well as bad Good or Bad depends on your point of view. Move on. Look forward not back. Maybe the party no longer represents you or your views, maybe it now represents the views of plenty of others.

Rant over...for now.
Yes you have posted plenty of your rant, but still have not explained where did I say that I do not accept the result of a democratic election?

Why can't you simply accept it that either you made a mistake or tried to tell a lie but it was a poor attempt, so failed?
[quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owen_thesaints[/bold] wrote: They're all out today, Paramjit just can't accept that more people voted for Labour that the others and thos that did vote Labour are incable of intelligent thought. And Southy, who insists that a net gain of two voters is a platform for growth (or maybe stagnation). Sore losers? You decide.[/p][/quote]You have got to be some chum of Madelson within NuLabour for trying to spin the facts and twist those to suit for mud slinging . Have you bothered even to read the very first comment on this thread? What does the very first line read? Where did I say I do not accept the fact that NuLabour has won? Spreading falsehoods appear to has become speciality of disturbingly large number of people in politics and their fans. Also the habit of spoilt kids with keyboard. Only you will know which group you belong to. Thanks to likes of you it is hardly surprising many ordinary people have started losing faith in politics and are turning even to UKIP[/p][/quote]"Congratulation s to NuLabour for holding on to Woolston." Yes, but qualified with the following "Sadly it means nothing will change for the people of Southampton" "You have got to be some chum of Madelson within NuLabour for trying to spin the facts" No I'm an ordinary voter, who's gone out and voted for the party that I believe will do the best for both the City and therefore me as a resident. As is my right, to vote for who I choose whether you or anyone else disagree. I may even disagree with someone elses choice, it doesn't make me any better than them. "Spreading falsehoods appear to has become speciality of disturbingly large number of people in politics and their fans." And you only speak the truth. Why should I believe your views are correct, or any better than mine or anyone else. "Thanks to likes of you it is hardly surprising many ordinary people have started losing faith in politics and are turning even to UKIP" I strongly resent your bullying tone and insults, you appear (in my opinion) to resent others voting for anything other than your political beliefs. Your constant carping on about NuLabour does not do you any favours. Accept there has been change. Change can be for the good as well as bad Good or Bad depends on your point of view. Move on. Look forward not back. Maybe the party no longer represents you or your views, maybe it now represents the views of plenty of others. Rant over...for now.[/p][/quote]Yes you have posted plenty of your rant, but still have not explained where did I say that I do not accept the result of a democratic election? Why can't you simply accept it that either you made a mistake or tried to tell a lie but it was a poor attempt, so failed? Paramjit Bahia
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3:02pm Sat 15 Jun 13

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Let's get this straight I vote Tory!
For many years now we've had Labour laughing at the Tories saying they're losing scores of voters to UKIP.
Now read the figures from when Williams won Woolston & then read the figures from this election?
Who's losing votes to UKIP?
Crikey it says it all when Southy can see it's Labour in this city that's under threat from UKIP yet Labour supporters can't
Where did your beloved Tories come?

Did they poll more votes than Labour?

Did they run them a close second?

UKIP appears to be doing to the Tories, what the Tories once did to the Liberals and then the LibDDems.

It is not the Labour Party that is cosying up to UKIP, it is the Tories.

Screwing up the country by linking up with the LibDems, and now they have an eye on doing the same thing with UKIP.

What a fiasco.
Linesman have you gone senile?
I only ask that as you seem to think the Tory Party that is half way through a parliament having to take severe measures thanks to the inept way Labour run the country should have done well in a local council election?
No one expected that to happen & for the Tories to keep hold of so much of their vote is a great achievement.
But your can do no wrong beloved Labour Party has lost 50% of it's vote at a time when it should be gaining votes?
If anything the losers today were actually the so called winners.
UKIP were the actual winners & if they continue to take Labour votes like this it will be a UKIP / Tory
MP not a Labour one for Itchen so I really can't get how Southy can see this but you & the other Labour supporters can"t?
No loosehead, I have not gone senile, but thank you for your concern. I will not make the same enquiry about your mental state as I am not into name calling or casting aspersions.

When someone ignores the FACT that there is an INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL CRISIS, but appears to think that it is just the UK that has the problem, and that it solely the result of the previous Labour Government, then I have to question their reasoning, and whether they think that Labour Government was responsible for all the the world's financial problems.

What I am aware of is that, with the action that the previous Labour Government took in response to the INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL CRISIS THAT HAD IT'S BEGINNINGS IN THE USA, the current Tory-led coalition government were left in a far better financial state that virtually ever other country in Europe.

Despite the claims made that a note was left at the Treasury to say that 'The Cupboard is Bare,' a photo of that note has never appeared in the Tory press or any of their party documents. Of course, it made a good story, and when repeated enough times, there were always the gullible who would think that it was another of Cameron's 'Gospel Truths.'

I do not understand your comment, 'But your can do no wrong beloved Labour Party.........'

The WINNING Labour candidate in the Woolston election did not poll the same number of votes that Williams did, but was there the same turn-out?

Despite it coming half-way through the Coalition's parliament, Christopher Hammond was bound to have suffered from a number of set-backs.
The Echo has never ever been considered to be a pro-Labour newspaper, which must have influenced a few.
The Williams 'economy with the truth' was blown up out of all proportion, and
Hammond was an unknown quantity.

IF (R) IF Labour lost votes to UKIP, are you trying to convince me, and others, that the Tory vote held up?

According to some of your posts elsewhere, you, a dedicated Tory, are even flirting with the idea of voting UKIP.

If they should ever achieve power, heaven forbid, I wonder how long it would be before they want to repatriate non-Brits to the country of their birth.

Something worth thinking about.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Let's get this straight I vote Tory! For many years now we've had Labour laughing at the Tories saying they're losing scores of voters to UKIP. Now read the figures from when Williams won Woolston & then read the figures from this election? Who's losing votes to UKIP? Crikey it says it all when Southy can see it's Labour in this city that's under threat from UKIP yet Labour supporters can't[/p][/quote]Where did your beloved Tories come? Did they poll more votes than Labour? Did they run them a close second? UKIP appears to be doing to the Tories, what the Tories once did to the Liberals and then the LibDDems. It is not the Labour Party that is cosying up to UKIP, it is the Tories. Screwing up the country by linking up with the LibDems, and now they have an eye on doing the same thing with UKIP. What a fiasco.[/p][/quote]Linesman have you gone senile? I only ask that as you seem to think the Tory Party that is half way through a parliament having to take severe measures thanks to the inept way Labour run the country should have done well in a local council election? No one expected that to happen & for the Tories to keep hold of so much of their vote is a great achievement. But your can do no wrong beloved Labour Party has lost 50% of it's vote at a time when it should be gaining votes? If anything the losers today were actually the so called winners. UKIP were the actual winners & if they continue to take Labour votes like this it will be a UKIP / Tory MP not a Labour one for Itchen so I really can't get how Southy can see this but you & the other Labour supporters can"t?[/p][/quote]No loosehead, I have not gone senile, but thank you for your concern. I will not make the same enquiry about your mental state as I am not into name calling or casting aspersions. When someone ignores the FACT that there is an INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL CRISIS, but appears to think that it is just the UK that has the problem, and that it solely the result of the previous Labour Government, then I have to question their reasoning, and whether they think that Labour Government was responsible for all the the world's financial problems. What I am aware of is that, with the action that the previous Labour Government took in response to the INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL CRISIS THAT HAD IT'S BEGINNINGS IN THE USA, the current Tory-led coalition government were left in a far better financial state that virtually ever other country in Europe. Despite the claims made that a note was left at the Treasury to say that 'The Cupboard is Bare,' a photo of that note has never appeared in the Tory press or any of their party documents. Of course, it made a good story, and when repeated enough times, there were always the gullible who would think that it was another of Cameron's 'Gospel Truths.' I do not understand your comment, 'But your can do no wrong beloved Labour Party.........' The WINNING Labour candidate in the Woolston election did not poll the same number of votes that Williams did, but was there the same turn-out? Despite it coming half-way through the Coalition's parliament, Christopher Hammond was bound to have suffered from a number of set-backs. The Echo has never ever been considered to be a pro-Labour newspaper, which must have influenced a few. The Williams 'economy with the truth' was blown up out of all proportion, and Hammond was an unknown quantity. IF (R) IF Labour lost votes to UKIP, are you trying to convince me, and others, that the Tory vote held up? According to some of your posts elsewhere, you, a dedicated Tory, are even flirting with the idea of voting UKIP. If they should ever achieve power, heaven forbid, I wonder how long it would be before they want to repatriate non-Brits to the country of their birth. Something worth thinking about. Linesman
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3:20pm Sat 15 Jun 13

Linesman says...

southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman
UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.
But the TUSC have gained nothing.

They are stuck in the dark ages and either cannot see that the world has changed, or if they can, refuse to accept it.
TUSC are new only been around since 2010, UKIP have been around since 1992, they are getting close to be able to start thinking about winning a council, (but not southampton), With the TUSC it needs a better way of getting its message out, it need more media coverage that i think will take a few more years yet.
Next year will say alot about the elections, by rights Labour should not lose controll of the council now till 2016 at the earlist. Its the conditions of politics where Labour as moved to the right, its allowing the extremist in.
They may be a new party, but they are stuck with old ideas that have no bearing on today's world.

The three main parties have all changed in an attempt to adapt to the current needs and situation.

You say that Labour has moved to the right. Perhaps it has, but that would be because it cannot re-fight battles that have already been fought and won.
Labour giving those wins on those grounds to Torys, Labour is now just doing what the Torys want them to do.
Like they say you might of won the battles but you have not won the war.
Think about it, where will Labour be in 20 years time, they be no different from the Torys in the 1890's. you allowed the Labour party move so far right wing, that your handing over all that was won to the Capitalist.
We are going to have go though all those battles again to take back what Labour as handed over on a silver plate.
Sorry southy, but you are not moving with the times.

When I was a kid, there was no NHS. There was 7/6d on the mantlepiece should anyone need to visit the doctor.

There was only one person with a car in the street where I lived, and nobody wanted a ride in it. He was the undertaker. Now the vast majority in that street have a car.

There was no main drainage, just a septic tank in the garden. On main sewerage now.

Nobody had a phone, but there was a red public telephone box at the end of the road. Now all the houses have a phone, and most have a mobile as well.

No TV, an a wireless that had a battery and accumulator. No electricity, just gas for lighting and cooking and coal fires.

Work was a 5 1/2 day week, with more hours when needed.

Health & Safety, were just a couple of words in the dictionary.

Southampton docks then employed many more people, and container ships had not been invented.

Steam trains, the Cable Works, Ranks Mills, Toogoods seeds, Toomers, the sports outfitters who supplied Saints, Above Bar was the main shopping street in Southampton. Rose&Rogers made the best sausages in Southampton.

You can't turn the clock back - even if you wanted to.

Political parties have had to change and adapt to meet the needs of today, and cope with today's problems.

If they look back, and see where mistakes were made, hopefully they will learn from them. Unfortunately, in many cases they have not.

One thing is certain, it is no good trying to fight old battles, when there are new ones that have to be fought.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Linesman UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.[/p][/quote]But the TUSC have gained nothing. They are stuck in the dark ages and either cannot see that the world has changed, or if they can, refuse to accept it.[/p][/quote]TUSC are new only been around since 2010, UKIP have been around since 1992, they are getting close to be able to start thinking about winning a council, (but not southampton), With the TUSC it needs a better way of getting its message out, it need more media coverage that i think will take a few more years yet. Next year will say alot about the elections, by rights Labour should not lose controll of the council now till 2016 at the earlist. Its the conditions of politics where Labour as moved to the right, its allowing the extremist in.[/p][/quote]They may be a new party, but they are stuck with old ideas that have no bearing on today's world. The three main parties have all changed in an attempt to adapt to the current needs and situation. You say that Labour has moved to the right. Perhaps it has, but that would be because it cannot re-fight battles that have already been fought and won.[/p][/quote]Labour giving those wins on those grounds to Torys, Labour is now just doing what the Torys want them to do. Like they say you might of won the battles but you have not won the war. Think about it, where will Labour be in 20 years time, they be no different from the Torys in the 1890's. you allowed the Labour party move so far right wing, that your handing over all that was won to the Capitalist. We are going to have go though all those battles again to take back what Labour as handed over on a silver plate.[/p][/quote]Sorry southy, but you are not moving with the times. When I was a kid, there was no NHS. There was 7/6d on the mantlepiece should anyone need to visit the doctor. There was only one person with a car in the street where I lived, and nobody wanted a ride in it. He was the undertaker. Now the vast majority in that street have a car. There was no main drainage, just a septic tank in the garden. On main sewerage now. Nobody had a phone, but there was a red public telephone box at the end of the road. Now all the houses have a phone, and most have a mobile as well. No TV, an a wireless that had a battery and accumulator. No electricity, just gas for lighting and cooking and coal fires. Work was a 5 1/2 day week, with more hours when needed. Health & Safety, were just a couple of words in the dictionary. Southampton docks then employed many more people, and container ships had not been invented. Steam trains, the Cable Works, Ranks Mills, Toogoods seeds, Toomers, the sports outfitters who supplied Saints, Above Bar was the main shopping street in Southampton. Rose&Rogers made the best sausages in Southampton. You can't turn the clock back - even if you wanted to. Political parties have had to change and adapt to meet the needs of today, and cope with today's problems. If they look back, and see where mistakes were made, hopefully they will learn from them. Unfortunately, in many cases they have not. One thing is certain, it is no good trying to fight old battles, when there are new ones that have to be fought. Linesman
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7:53am Sun 16 Jun 13

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Let's get this straight I vote Tory!
For many years now we've had Labour laughing at the Tories saying they're losing scores of voters to UKIP.
Now read the figures from when Williams won Woolston & then read the figures from this election?
Who's losing votes to UKIP?
Crikey it says it all when Southy can see it's Labour in this city that's under threat from UKIP yet Labour supporters can't
Where did your beloved Tories come?

Did they poll more votes than Labour?

Did they run them a close second?

UKIP appears to be doing to the Tories, what the Tories once did to the Liberals and then the LibDDems.

It is not the Labour Party that is cosying up to UKIP, it is the Tories.

Screwing up the country by linking up with the LibDems, and now they have an eye on doing the same thing with UKIP.

What a fiasco.
Linesman have you gone senile?
I only ask that as you seem to think the Tory Party that is half way through a parliament having to take severe measures thanks to the inept way Labour run the country should have done well in a local council election?
No one expected that to happen & for the Tories to keep hold of so much of their vote is a great achievement.
But your can do no wrong beloved Labour Party has lost 50% of it's vote at a time when it should be gaining votes?
If anything the losers today were actually the so called winners.
UKIP were the actual winners & if they continue to take Labour votes like this it will be a UKIP / Tory
MP not a Labour one for Itchen so I really can't get how Southy can see this but you & the other Labour supporters can"t?
No loosehead, I have not gone senile, but thank you for your concern. I will not make the same enquiry about your mental state as I am not into name calling or casting aspersions.

When someone ignores the FACT that there is an INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL CRISIS, but appears to think that it is just the UK that has the problem, and that it solely the result of the previous Labour Government, then I have to question their reasoning, and whether they think that Labour Government was responsible for all the the world's financial problems.

What I am aware of is that, with the action that the previous Labour Government took in response to the INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL CRISIS THAT HAD IT'S BEGINNINGS IN THE USA, the current Tory-led coalition government were left in a far better financial state that virtually ever other country in Europe.

Despite the claims made that a note was left at the Treasury to say that 'The Cupboard is Bare,' a photo of that note has never appeared in the Tory press or any of their party documents. Of course, it made a good story, and when repeated enough times, there were always the gullible who would think that it was another of Cameron's 'Gospel Truths.'

I do not understand your comment, 'But your can do no wrong beloved Labour Party.........'

The WINNING Labour candidate in the Woolston election did not poll the same number of votes that Williams did, but was there the same turn-out?

Despite it coming half-way through the Coalition's parliament, Christopher Hammond was bound to have suffered from a number of set-backs.
The Echo has never ever been considered to be a pro-Labour newspaper, which must have influenced a few.
The Williams 'economy with the truth' was blown up out of all proportion, and
Hammond was an unknown quantity.

IF (R) IF Labour lost votes to UKIP, are you trying to convince me, and others, that the Tory vote held up?

According to some of your posts elsewhere, you, a dedicated Tory, are even flirting with the idea of voting UKIP.

If they should ever achieve power, heaven forbid, I wonder how long it would be before they want to repatriate non-Brits to the country of their birth.

Something worth thinking about.
So Gordon Brown,Ed Balls Ed Milliband etc; all got it wrong & the last Labour Government didn't share any of the blame for the financial crash?
The last Labour treasurer was on telly & he was chuckling about the note left by his department for the new treasurer/George Osbourne so as no senior Labour politician & Alaister Darling has admitted there was such a note kinda destroys your argument again doesn't it?
When the coalition won power we had Labour supporters on here going on about the turn out & now we have you saying how good the Labour candidate did by losing 50% of the Labour vote yeah that looks really good doesn't it?
as for UKIP I have one thing I promised myself & that is if every there was a chance to vote us out of the EEC I would take it.
well as we're now in a EU that we never entered or voted for if Cameron goes back on his word Yes I'll vote UKIP as unlike you I can see the good & bad in my party,
Are you really telling me you Labour supporters aren't worried by the amount of voters that left you & went to UKIP?
Linesman when we had those strikes we were told it was to stop it happening across the country so what exactly's happening in Brighton? it's not a Tory council there it's a Green council & they've raised taxes & now they're taking money from refuse collectors to give to social/care workers so what name are you going to call them?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Let's get this straight I vote Tory! For many years now we've had Labour laughing at the Tories saying they're losing scores of voters to UKIP. Now read the figures from when Williams won Woolston & then read the figures from this election? Who's losing votes to UKIP? Crikey it says it all when Southy can see it's Labour in this city that's under threat from UKIP yet Labour supporters can't[/p][/quote]Where did your beloved Tories come? Did they poll more votes than Labour? Did they run them a close second? UKIP appears to be doing to the Tories, what the Tories once did to the Liberals and then the LibDDems. It is not the Labour Party that is cosying up to UKIP, it is the Tories. Screwing up the country by linking up with the LibDems, and now they have an eye on doing the same thing with UKIP. What a fiasco.[/p][/quote]Linesman have you gone senile? I only ask that as you seem to think the Tory Party that is half way through a parliament having to take severe measures thanks to the inept way Labour run the country should have done well in a local council election? No one expected that to happen & for the Tories to keep hold of so much of their vote is a great achievement. But your can do no wrong beloved Labour Party has lost 50% of it's vote at a time when it should be gaining votes? If anything the losers today were actually the so called winners. UKIP were the actual winners & if they continue to take Labour votes like this it will be a UKIP / Tory MP not a Labour one for Itchen so I really can't get how Southy can see this but you & the other Labour supporters can"t?[/p][/quote]No loosehead, I have not gone senile, but thank you for your concern. I will not make the same enquiry about your mental state as I am not into name calling or casting aspersions. When someone ignores the FACT that there is an INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL CRISIS, but appears to think that it is just the UK that has the problem, and that it solely the result of the previous Labour Government, then I have to question their reasoning, and whether they think that Labour Government was responsible for all the the world's financial problems. What I am aware of is that, with the action that the previous Labour Government took in response to the INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL CRISIS THAT HAD IT'S BEGINNINGS IN THE USA, the current Tory-led coalition government were left in a far better financial state that virtually ever other country in Europe. Despite the claims made that a note was left at the Treasury to say that 'The Cupboard is Bare,' a photo of that note has never appeared in the Tory press or any of their party documents. Of course, it made a good story, and when repeated enough times, there were always the gullible who would think that it was another of Cameron's 'Gospel Truths.' I do not understand your comment, 'But your can do no wrong beloved Labour Party.........' The WINNING Labour candidate in the Woolston election did not poll the same number of votes that Williams did, but was there the same turn-out? Despite it coming half-way through the Coalition's parliament, Christopher Hammond was bound to have suffered from a number of set-backs. The Echo has never ever been considered to be a pro-Labour newspaper, which must have influenced a few. The Williams 'economy with the truth' was blown up out of all proportion, and Hammond was an unknown quantity. IF (R) IF Labour lost votes to UKIP, are you trying to convince me, and others, that the Tory vote held up? According to some of your posts elsewhere, you, a dedicated Tory, are even flirting with the idea of voting UKIP. If they should ever achieve power, heaven forbid, I wonder how long it would be before they want to repatriate non-Brits to the country of their birth. Something worth thinking about.[/p][/quote]So Gordon Brown,Ed Balls Ed Milliband etc; all got it wrong & the last Labour Government didn't share any of the blame for the financial crash? The last Labour treasurer was on telly & he was chuckling about the note left by his department for the new treasurer/George Osbourne so as no senior Labour politician & Alaister Darling has admitted there was such a note kinda destroys your argument again doesn't it? When the coalition won power we had Labour supporters on here going on about the turn out & now we have you saying how good the Labour candidate did by losing 50% of the Labour vote yeah that looks really good doesn't it? as for UKIP I have one thing I promised myself & that is if every there was a chance to vote us out of the EEC I would take it. well as we're now in a EU that we never entered or voted for if Cameron goes back on his word Yes I'll vote UKIP as unlike you I can see the good & bad in my party, Are you really telling me you Labour supporters aren't worried by the amount of voters that left you & went to UKIP? Linesman when we had those strikes we were told it was to stop it happening across the country so what exactly's happening in Brighton? it's not a Tory council there it's a Green council & they've raised taxes & now they're taking money from refuse collectors to give to social/care workers so what name are you going to call them? loosehead
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11:01am Sun 16 Jun 13

southy says...

Linesman wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman
UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.
But the TUSC have gained nothing.

They are stuck in the dark ages and either cannot see that the world has changed, or if they can, refuse to accept it.
TUSC are new only been around since 2010, UKIP have been around since 1992, they are getting close to be able to start thinking about winning a council, (but not southampton), With the TUSC it needs a better way of getting its message out, it need more media coverage that i think will take a few more years yet.
Next year will say alot about the elections, by rights Labour should not lose controll of the council now till 2016 at the earlist. Its the conditions of politics where Labour as moved to the right, its allowing the extremist in.
They may be a new party, but they are stuck with old ideas that have no bearing on today's world.

The three main parties have all changed in an attempt to adapt to the current needs and situation.

You say that Labour has moved to the right. Perhaps it has, but that would be because it cannot re-fight battles that have already been fought and won.
Labour giving those wins on those grounds to Torys, Labour is now just doing what the Torys want them to do.
Like they say you might of won the battles but you have not won the war.
Think about it, where will Labour be in 20 years time, they be no different from the Torys in the 1890's. you allowed the Labour party move so far right wing, that your handing over all that was won to the Capitalist.
We are going to have go though all those battles again to take back what Labour as handed over on a silver plate.
Sorry southy, but you are not moving with the times.

When I was a kid, there was no NHS. There was 7/6d on the mantlepiece should anyone need to visit the doctor.

There was only one person with a car in the street where I lived, and nobody wanted a ride in it. He was the undertaker. Now the vast majority in that street have a car.

There was no main drainage, just a septic tank in the garden. On main sewerage now.

Nobody had a phone, but there was a red public telephone box at the end of the road. Now all the houses have a phone, and most have a mobile as well.

No TV, an a wireless that had a battery and accumulator. No electricity, just gas for lighting and cooking and coal fires.

Work was a 5 1/2 day week, with more hours when needed.

Health & Safety, were just a couple of words in the dictionary.

Southampton docks then employed many more people, and container ships had not been invented.

Steam trains, the Cable Works, Ranks Mills, Toogoods seeds, Toomers, the sports outfitters who supplied Saints, Above Bar was the main shopping street in Southampton. Rose&Rogers made the best sausages in Southampton.

You can't turn the clock back - even if you wanted to.

Political parties have had to change and adapt to meet the needs of today, and cope with today's problems.

If they look back, and see where mistakes were made, hopefully they will learn from them. Unfortunately, in many cases they have not.

One thing is certain, it is no good trying to fight old battles, when there are new ones that have to be fought.
Theres change for the better and there change for the worse, Labour as change for the worse its following the Tory route, it no longer represents the majority like it should do, Labour is a sell out to the common people and have joined the elitist group.

the % of turn out is down, but there was around 100 votes more than the last election. the only ones that made a sort of gain was UKIP and Greens (only because it was the first time they stood in the Woolston ward) the TUSC held its ground, while Lib/Dems lost about 100 wich put them below the TUSC, and the Torys lost about 200, but the biggest lost was to the Labour party around the 800 votes lost. that is way to many to lose to what is normally a labour ground.

It could be that the Torys are going to be a party of the pass, like the Lib/Dems are, and soon to follow the Torys will be the Labour party if they carry on moving to the right like they have been doing for the last 29 years.
The only reason Labour is still about now is because off older voters will not change, that will not follow the next generation of voters
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Linesman UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.[/p][/quote]But the TUSC have gained nothing. They are stuck in the dark ages and either cannot see that the world has changed, or if they can, refuse to accept it.[/p][/quote]TUSC are new only been around since 2010, UKIP have been around since 1992, they are getting close to be able to start thinking about winning a council, (but not southampton), With the TUSC it needs a better way of getting its message out, it need more media coverage that i think will take a few more years yet. Next year will say alot about the elections, by rights Labour should not lose controll of the council now till 2016 at the earlist. Its the conditions of politics where Labour as moved to the right, its allowing the extremist in.[/p][/quote]They may be a new party, but they are stuck with old ideas that have no bearing on today's world. The three main parties have all changed in an attempt to adapt to the current needs and situation. You say that Labour has moved to the right. Perhaps it has, but that would be because it cannot re-fight battles that have already been fought and won.[/p][/quote]Labour giving those wins on those grounds to Torys, Labour is now just doing what the Torys want them to do. Like they say you might of won the battles but you have not won the war. Think about it, where will Labour be in 20 years time, they be no different from the Torys in the 1890's. you allowed the Labour party move so far right wing, that your handing over all that was won to the Capitalist. We are going to have go though all those battles again to take back what Labour as handed over on a silver plate.[/p][/quote]Sorry southy, but you are not moving with the times. When I was a kid, there was no NHS. There was 7/6d on the mantlepiece should anyone need to visit the doctor. There was only one person with a car in the street where I lived, and nobody wanted a ride in it. He was the undertaker. Now the vast majority in that street have a car. There was no main drainage, just a septic tank in the garden. On main sewerage now. Nobody had a phone, but there was a red public telephone box at the end of the road. Now all the houses have a phone, and most have a mobile as well. No TV, an a wireless that had a battery and accumulator. No electricity, just gas for lighting and cooking and coal fires. Work was a 5 1/2 day week, with more hours when needed. Health & Safety, were just a couple of words in the dictionary. Southampton docks then employed many more people, and container ships had not been invented. Steam trains, the Cable Works, Ranks Mills, Toogoods seeds, Toomers, the sports outfitters who supplied Saints, Above Bar was the main shopping street in Southampton. Rose&Rogers made the best sausages in Southampton. You can't turn the clock back - even if you wanted to. Political parties have had to change and adapt to meet the needs of today, and cope with today's problems. If they look back, and see where mistakes were made, hopefully they will learn from them. Unfortunately, in many cases they have not. One thing is certain, it is no good trying to fight old battles, when there are new ones that have to be fought.[/p][/quote]Theres change for the better and there change for the worse, Labour as change for the worse its following the Tory route, it no longer represents the majority like it should do, Labour is a sell out to the common people and have joined the elitist group. the % of turn out is down, but there was around 100 votes more than the last election. the only ones that made a sort of gain was UKIP and Greens (only because it was the first time they stood in the Woolston ward) the TUSC held its ground, while Lib/Dems lost about 100 wich put them below the TUSC, and the Torys lost about 200, but the biggest lost was to the Labour party around the 800 votes lost. that is way to many to lose to what is normally a labour ground. It could be that the Torys are going to be a party of the pass, like the Lib/Dems are, and soon to follow the Torys will be the Labour party if they carry on moving to the right like they have been doing for the last 29 years. The only reason Labour is still about now is because off older voters will not change, that will not follow the next generation of voters southy
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1:36pm Sun 16 Jun 13

loosehead says...

Gordan Brown promised a vote on the constitution of a country we never voted to join & then changed the title & refused to give us a vote.
The cabinet of the last Labour Government admit they were partly to blame for the severity of the economic crash here.
then up steps Milliband"we've listened to what the people have been saying"
Then when a Tory backbencher puts forward a bill to make a referendum on the EU law he tells his party to vote against it?
Is Woolston a one off for Labour or after this & if UKIP can push this will Woolston become the norm & will Labour voters now realise they can't trust Labour to listen?
Gordan Brown promised a vote on the constitution of a country we never voted to join & then changed the title & refused to give us a vote. The cabinet of the last Labour Government admit they were partly to blame for the severity of the economic crash here. then up steps Milliband"we've listened to what the people have been saying" Then when a Tory backbencher puts forward a bill to make a referendum on the EU law he tells his party to vote against it? Is Woolston a one off for Labour or after this & if UKIP can push this will Woolston become the norm & will Labour voters now realise they can't trust Labour to listen? loosehead
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1:53pm Sun 16 Jun 13

Linesman says...

southy wrote:
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southy wrote:
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UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.
But the TUSC have gained nothing.

They are stuck in the dark ages and either cannot see that the world has changed, or if they can, refuse to accept it.
TUSC are new only been around since 2010, UKIP have been around since 1992, they are getting close to be able to start thinking about winning a council, (but not southampton), With the TUSC it needs a better way of getting its message out, it need more media coverage that i think will take a few more years yet.
Next year will say alot about the elections, by rights Labour should not lose controll of the council now till 2016 at the earlist. Its the conditions of politics where Labour as moved to the right, its allowing the extremist in.
They may be a new party, but they are stuck with old ideas that have no bearing on today's world.

The three main parties have all changed in an attempt to adapt to the current needs and situation.

You say that Labour has moved to the right. Perhaps it has, but that would be because it cannot re-fight battles that have already been fought and won.
Labour giving those wins on those grounds to Torys, Labour is now just doing what the Torys want them to do.
Like they say you might of won the battles but you have not won the war.
Think about it, where will Labour be in 20 years time, they be no different from the Torys in the 1890's. you allowed the Labour party move so far right wing, that your handing over all that was won to the Capitalist.
We are going to have go though all those battles again to take back what Labour as handed over on a silver plate.
Sorry southy, but you are not moving with the times.

When I was a kid, there was no NHS. There was 7/6d on the mantlepiece should anyone need to visit the doctor.

There was only one person with a car in the street where I lived, and nobody wanted a ride in it. He was the undertaker. Now the vast majority in that street have a car.

There was no main drainage, just a septic tank in the garden. On main sewerage now.

Nobody had a phone, but there was a red public telephone box at the end of the road. Now all the houses have a phone, and most have a mobile as well.

No TV, an a wireless that had a battery and accumulator. No electricity, just gas for lighting and cooking and coal fires.

Work was a 5 1/2 day week, with more hours when needed.

Health & Safety, were just a couple of words in the dictionary.

Southampton docks then employed many more people, and container ships had not been invented.

Steam trains, the Cable Works, Ranks Mills, Toogoods seeds, Toomers, the sports outfitters who supplied Saints, Above Bar was the main shopping street in Southampton. Rose&Rogers made the best sausages in Southampton.

You can't turn the clock back - even if you wanted to.

Political parties have had to change and adapt to meet the needs of today, and cope with today's problems.

If they look back, and see where mistakes were made, hopefully they will learn from them. Unfortunately, in many cases they have not.

One thing is certain, it is no good trying to fight old battles, when there are new ones that have to be fought.
Theres change for the better and there change for the worse, Labour as change for the worse its following the Tory route, it no longer represents the majority like it should do, Labour is a sell out to the common people and have joined the elitist group.

the % of turn out is down, but there was around 100 votes more than the last election. the only ones that made a sort of gain was UKIP and Greens (only because it was the first time they stood in the Woolston ward) the TUSC held its ground, while Lib/Dems lost about 100 wich put them below the TUSC, and the Torys lost about 200, but the biggest lost was to the Labour party around the 800 votes lost. that is way to many to lose to what is normally a labour ground.

It could be that the Torys are going to be a party of the pass, like the Lib/Dems are, and soon to follow the Torys will be the Labour party if they carry on moving to the right like they have been doing for the last 29 years.
The only reason Labour is still about now is because off older voters will not change, that will not follow the next generation of voters
You are entitled to your opinion, that is what democracy is all about.

The fact is, a very small minority of people share that opinion, which is why the TUSC has so very few people that vote for it.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Linesman UKIP nearly took half of the Labour votes, and that is a first time outting in Woolston ward, that is bad news for every one, UKIP only have one thing to offer to the workers (and thats on a national level) pulling out of the EU, every thing else in there policy is only suited to the extreme right wing, its the 1920's/30's all over again.[/p][/quote]But the TUSC have gained nothing. They are stuck in the dark ages and either cannot see that the world has changed, or if they can, refuse to accept it.[/p][/quote]TUSC are new only been around since 2010, UKIP have been around since 1992, they are getting close to be able to start thinking about winning a council, (but not southampton), With the TUSC it needs a better way of getting its message out, it need more media coverage that i think will take a few more years yet. Next year will say alot about the elections, by rights Labour should not lose controll of the council now till 2016 at the earlist. Its the conditions of politics where Labour as moved to the right, its allowing the extremist in.[/p][/quote]They may be a new party, but they are stuck with old ideas that have no bearing on today's world. The three main parties have all changed in an attempt to adapt to the current needs and situation. You say that Labour has moved to the right. Perhaps it has, but that would be because it cannot re-fight battles that have already been fought and won.[/p][/quote]Labour giving those wins on those grounds to Torys, Labour is now just doing what the Torys want them to do. Like they say you might of won the battles but you have not won the war. Think about it, where will Labour be in 20 years time, they be no different from the Torys in the 1890's. you allowed the Labour party move so far right wing, that your handing over all that was won to the Capitalist. We are going to have go though all those battles again to take back what Labour as handed over on a silver plate.[/p][/quote]Sorry southy, but you are not moving with the times. When I was a kid, there was no NHS. There was 7/6d on the mantlepiece should anyone need to visit the doctor. There was only one person with a car in the street where I lived, and nobody wanted a ride in it. He was the undertaker. Now the vast majority in that street have a car. There was no main drainage, just a septic tank in the garden. On main sewerage now. Nobody had a phone, but there was a red public telephone box at the end of the road. Now all the houses have a phone, and most have a mobile as well. No TV, an a wireless that had a battery and accumulator. No electricity, just gas for lighting and cooking and coal fires. Work was a 5 1/2 day week, with more hours when needed. Health & Safety, were just a couple of words in the dictionary. Southampton docks then employed many more people, and container ships had not been invented. Steam trains, the Cable Works, Ranks Mills, Toogoods seeds, Toomers, the sports outfitters who supplied Saints, Above Bar was the main shopping street in Southampton. Rose&Rogers made the best sausages in Southampton. You can't turn the clock back - even if you wanted to. Political parties have had to change and adapt to meet the needs of today, and cope with today's problems. If they look back, and see where mistakes were made, hopefully they will learn from them. Unfortunately, in many cases they have not. One thing is certain, it is no good trying to fight old battles, when there are new ones that have to be fought.[/p][/quote]Theres change for the better and there change for the worse, Labour as change for the worse its following the Tory route, it no longer represents the majority like it should do, Labour is a sell out to the common people and have joined the elitist group. the % of turn out is down, but there was around 100 votes more than the last election. the only ones that made a sort of gain was UKIP and Greens (only because it was the first time they stood in the Woolston ward) the TUSC held its ground, while Lib/Dems lost about 100 wich put them below the TUSC, and the Torys lost about 200, but the biggest lost was to the Labour party around the 800 votes lost. that is way to many to lose to what is normally a labour ground. It could be that the Torys are going to be a party of the pass, like the Lib/Dems are, and soon to follow the Torys will be the Labour party if they carry on moving to the right like they have been doing for the last 29 years. The only reason Labour is still about now is because off older voters will not change, that will not follow the next generation of voters[/p][/quote]You are entitled to your opinion, that is what democracy is all about. The fact is, a very small minority of people share that opinion, which is why the TUSC has so very few people that vote for it. Linesman
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12:05pm Tue 18 Jun 13

Wackerone says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Is it time to change the Voting system? Poor turn outs may be creating results that aren't actually what the Electorate want in reality? A different system or compulsory voting might give a truer outcome. What is clear is that the Electorate are not happy with the constitutions of the current parties. It is time for them to step back and listen to others and react accordingly.
The main reason for voter apathy is the fact that most people are fed up to the back teeth with politics and politicians where most are liars and in politics to feather their own nests. Secondly, the sooner party politics at local level are done away with the better. People in local politics should be totally independent and represent the needs of the ward that elected them and not have to follow a party whip.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Is it time to change the Voting system? Poor turn outs may be creating results that aren't actually what the Electorate want in reality? A different system or compulsory voting might give a truer outcome. What is clear is that the Electorate are not happy with the constitutions of the current parties. It is time for them to step back and listen to others and react accordingly.[/p][/quote]The main reason for voter apathy is the fact that most people are fed up to the back teeth with politics and politicians where most are liars and in politics to feather their own nests. Secondly, the sooner party politics at local level are done away with the better. People in local politics should be totally independent and represent the needs of the ward that elected them and not have to follow a party whip. Wackerone
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