Bid to crack down on cycling events in New Forest

Daily Echo: Sabotage attempts were made at this year’s Wiggle New Forest Spring Sportive. Sabotage attempts were made at this year’s Wiggle New Forest Spring Sportive.

PLANS for a crackdown on the soaring numbers of major cycling events in the New Forest have moved a step closer.

Biking groups, politicians and conservationists held a second summit meeting in a bid to overhaul mass commercial cycling events in the national park.

The landmark scheme – led by the New Forest National Park Authority (NPA) – is being brokered as a peace deal between warring factions after the high-profile sabotage of a flagship bike ride and rising safety and environmental fears of hundreds of riders using the area’s roads and countryside. Organisers of the annual Wiggle New Forest Spring Sportive were outraged that lives were put at risk when scores of tacks were sprinkled on to the route and hundreds of signs were ripped up at April’s event.

However motorists, residents, horse-riders and commoners fear the events risk damaging the Forest’s wildlife, flora and fauna, and are causing hazards for other road users.

Representatives from 19 groups met to discuss amendments to Cycle Event Organisers Charter and the Cycling Code of Conduct to set out clear rules to protect local communities and the environment while upholding riders’ and road users’ safety.

Their latest meeting focused on reforming the charter, which already sets out guidelines for event organisers to keep litter and noise to minimum and liaise with parish councils, local authorities and residents.

It also recommends contributing ride fees and donations to the local economy or charities working in the area.

NPA community and visitor services manager Nigel Matthews said: “We focused on the draft charter. Several improvements were suggested and we’ll be continuing the discussion when we next meet in December.”

New Forest East MP Dr Julian Lewis did not attend the meeting but has previously called for cycling events to be licensed.

He said: “The use of Forest roads for recreational activity depends on common sense and give and take. Clearly the monitoring of frequent amounts of cycling events on the public highway infringes rights of other road users and this is why the working group’s task is so important.”

James Knight, is chairman of the New Forest District Council’s public events and safety advisory group which ensures police and other authorities scrutinise event plans and risk assessments.

He said: “By liaising with other local organisations we can help avoid clashes.”

Nick Farth-ing, area manager for Sustrans, which promotes cycling and walking activities and reduction of car use in the area, said: “There are so many different groups but everyone wants to work together to create a code of conduct for everyone.”

Sue Westwood, clerk to the Verderers, the ancient guardians of the New Forest, added: “We welcome anything that helps co-operation between the community, cyclists and other organisations that manage the forest.”

Martin Barden, of UK Cycling Events, which organised the Wiggle, declined to comment.

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11:21am Wed 18 Sep 13

From the sidelines says...

This is a local forest, for local people. We'll have no trouble here.

What about cyclists?
-No, none of them neither.

Even the ones that use the local B&Bs, restaurants and pubs, contributing to the local economy?
-Well, they can come as long as the don't cycle on our roads. They don't pay road tax, you know.
Road tax was abolished in 1937.

What happens if people insist on enjoying the national park by bicycle?
-Well, me and my other inbred kin will, when we've finished picking at our rotten teeth, scratching our bums, and when we've sucked the last bit of flavour out of the straw between our teeth, we'll draw up our smocks, and we'll put tacks on the roads.

Wouldn't that be dangerous to motorists as well as cyclists?
-Cyclists don't pay road tax, you know.

You're welcome.
This is a local forest, for local people. We'll have no trouble here. What about cyclists? -No, none of them neither. Even the ones that use the local B&Bs, restaurants and pubs, contributing to the local economy? -Well, they can come as long as the don't cycle on our roads. They don't pay road tax, you know. Road tax was abolished in 1937. What happens if people insist on enjoying the national park by bicycle? -Well, me and my other inbred kin will, when we've finished picking at our rotten teeth, scratching our bums, and when we've sucked the last bit of flavour out of the straw between our teeth, we'll draw up our smocks, and we'll put tacks on the roads. Wouldn't that be dangerous to motorists as well as cyclists? -Cyclists don't pay road tax, you know. You're welcome. From the sidelines
  • Score: 14

11:22am Wed 18 Sep 13

Forest Resident says...

NIMBY's yet again causing a fuss over nothing, these events bring valuable money into the local economy and in the main are safely and responsibly organised and ridden. There are a far greater numbers of serious incidents involving cars on forest roads in a single day than there is in an entire year for cyclists. The only problem here lies almost squarely with impatient and incompetent drivers who simply fail to negotiate vulnerable legitimate road users in a safe manner. You only have to look at the statistics for incidents involving death or injury caused by cyclists in comparison to cars to see who poses the most significant danger on our roads.
NIMBY's yet again causing a fuss over nothing, these events bring valuable money into the local economy and in the main are safely and responsibly organised and ridden. There are a far greater numbers of serious incidents involving cars on forest roads in a single day than there is in an entire year for cyclists. The only problem here lies almost squarely with impatient and incompetent drivers who simply fail to negotiate vulnerable legitimate road users in a safe manner. You only have to look at the statistics for incidents involving death or injury caused by cyclists in comparison to cars to see who poses the most significant danger on our roads. Forest Resident
  • Score: 6

11:31am Wed 18 Sep 13

froots says...

Yes, I"m sure the flora and fauna is being horrendously damaged by the clean, quiet efficient machines rolling along the tarmac roads.
Yes, I"m sure the flora and fauna is being horrendously damaged by the clean, quiet efficient machines rolling along the tarmac roads. froots
  • Score: 17

11:31am Wed 18 Sep 13

froots says...

Yes, I"m sure the flora and fauna is being horrendously damaged by the clean, quiet efficient machines rolling along the tarmac roads.
Yes, I"m sure the flora and fauna is being horrendously damaged by the clean, quiet efficient machines rolling along the tarmac roads. froots
  • Score: 1

11:39am Wed 18 Sep 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

There are NO environmental risks from cycling unless some little rare bug that can't be seen very well, wanders in front of a cyclists wheels, cyclists do NOT cause any danger on the roads during the events either, the only people causing the dangers are a minority of motorists and locals who can't drive properly, cause dangerous hazards by spreading pins and tacks of the road(dangerous for ALL forest road users, not just cyclists) and by defacing, removing or destroying safety and direction signs, so rather than penalising cyclists who HELP the local economy and are the greenest mode of transport besides walking and riding horseback, they should penalise the true dangers to road users and the environment, MOTORISTS and locals who are KNOWN to be trouble makers at these events..
There are NO environmental risks from cycling unless some little rare bug that can't be seen very well, wanders in front of a cyclists wheels, cyclists do NOT cause any danger on the roads during the events either, the only people causing the dangers are a minority of motorists and locals who can't drive properly, cause dangerous hazards by spreading pins and tacks of the road(dangerous for ALL forest road users, not just cyclists) and by defacing, removing or destroying safety and direction signs, so rather than penalising cyclists who HELP the local economy and are the greenest mode of transport besides walking and riding horseback, they should penalise the true dangers to road users and the environment, MOTORISTS and locals who are KNOWN to be trouble makers at these events.. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -3

11:41am Wed 18 Sep 13

one in a million says...

Why stop at cyclists? Caravans, horses and motorcycles equally slow me down when I am trying to speed through the forest whilst selfishly exercising my divine right to drive as I have paid my road tax, heaven forbid I might have to slow down...
Why stop at cyclists? Caravans, horses and motorcycles equally slow me down when I am trying to speed through the forest whilst selfishly exercising my divine right to drive as I have paid my road tax, heaven forbid I might have to slow down... one in a million
  • Score: 6

11:45am Wed 18 Sep 13

froots says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
There are NO environmental risks from cycling unless some little rare bug that can't be seen very well, wanders in front of a cyclists wheels, cyclists do NOT cause any danger on the roads during the events either, the only people causing the dangers are a minority of motorists and locals who can't drive properly, cause dangerous hazards by spreading pins and tacks of the road(dangerous for ALL forest road users, not just cyclists) and by defacing, removing or destroying safety and direction signs, so rather than penalising cyclists who HELP the local economy and are the greenest mode of transport besides walking and riding horseback, they should penalise the true dangers to road users and the environment, MOTORISTS and locals who are KNOWN to be trouble makers at these events..
More pertinently, tacks are likely to be swallowed by an animal.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: There are NO environmental risks from cycling unless some little rare bug that can't be seen very well, wanders in front of a cyclists wheels, cyclists do NOT cause any danger on the roads during the events either, the only people causing the dangers are a minority of motorists and locals who can't drive properly, cause dangerous hazards by spreading pins and tacks of the road(dangerous for ALL forest road users, not just cyclists) and by defacing, removing or destroying safety and direction signs, so rather than penalising cyclists who HELP the local economy and are the greenest mode of transport besides walking and riding horseback, they should penalise the true dangers to road users and the environment, MOTORISTS and locals who are KNOWN to be trouble makers at these events..[/p][/quote]More pertinently, tacks are likely to be swallowed by an animal. froots
  • Score: 5

12:48pm Wed 18 Sep 13

NewForestStu says...

I don't know, these **** bikes do get in the way; especially when i am trying to rag it through the forest in my nice clean Land Rover Discovery.
I don't know, these **** bikes do get in the way; especially when i am trying to rag it through the forest in my nice clean Land Rover Discovery. NewForestStu
  • Score: 10

12:49pm Wed 18 Sep 13

NewForestStu says...

Oh dear, the echo doesn't like the word d a r n, how poor.
Oh dear, the echo doesn't like the word d a r n, how poor. NewForestStu
  • Score: 6

2:43pm Wed 18 Sep 13

mellowdude says...

one in a million wrote:
Why stop at cyclists? Caravans, horses and motorcycles equally slow me down when I am trying to speed through the forest whilst selfishly exercising my divine right to drive as I have paid my road tax, heaven forbid I might have to slow down...
Dont just stop there, pedestrians walking in the road are also in my way when im trying to spead down country roads. They also get in my way when im speeding through towns such as Lyndhurst, crossing the road and causing me to wait for 10 seconds before moving on again.
[quote][p][bold]one in a million[/bold] wrote: Why stop at cyclists? Caravans, horses and motorcycles equally slow me down when I am trying to speed through the forest whilst selfishly exercising my divine right to drive as I have paid my road tax, heaven forbid I might have to slow down...[/p][/quote]Dont just stop there, pedestrians walking in the road are also in my way when im trying to spead down country roads. They also get in my way when im speeding through towns such as Lyndhurst, crossing the road and causing me to wait for 10 seconds before moving on again. mellowdude
  • Score: 6

3:03pm Wed 18 Sep 13

froots says...

mellowdude wrote:
one in a million wrote:
Why stop at cyclists? Caravans, horses and motorcycles equally slow me down when I am trying to speed through the forest whilst selfishly exercising my divine right to drive as I have paid my road tax, heaven forbid I might have to slow down...
Dont just stop there, pedestrians walking in the road are also in my way when im trying to spead down country roads. They also get in my way when im speeding through towns such as Lyndhurst, crossing the road and causing me to wait for 10 seconds before moving on again.
Well, hang on. Let's not underdo things. The animals living TAX FREE in the forest are surely the worst culprits. Get rid of them too, amirite?
[quote][p][bold]mellowdude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in a million[/bold] wrote: Why stop at cyclists? Caravans, horses and motorcycles equally slow me down when I am trying to speed through the forest whilst selfishly exercising my divine right to drive as I have paid my road tax, heaven forbid I might have to slow down...[/p][/quote]Dont just stop there, pedestrians walking in the road are also in my way when im trying to spead down country roads. They also get in my way when im speeding through towns such as Lyndhurst, crossing the road and causing me to wait for 10 seconds before moving on again.[/p][/quote]Well, hang on. Let's not underdo things. The animals living TAX FREE in the forest are surely the worst culprits. Get rid of them too, amirite? froots
  • Score: 10

3:41pm Wed 18 Sep 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

froots wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
There are NO environmental risks from cycling unless some little rare bug that can't be seen very well, wanders in front of a cyclists wheels, cyclists do NOT cause any danger on the roads during the events either, the only people causing the dangers are a minority of motorists and locals who can't drive properly, cause dangerous hazards by spreading pins and tacks of the road(dangerous for ALL forest road users, not just cyclists) and by defacing, removing or destroying safety and direction signs, so rather than penalising cyclists who HELP the local economy and are the greenest mode of transport besides walking and riding horseback, they should penalise the true dangers to road users and the environment, MOTORISTS and locals who are KNOWN to be trouble makers at these events..
More pertinently, tacks are likely to be swallowed by an animal.
Indeed, that's the worst one, get found that you caused animal deaths like that and you'll be banned from keeping animals.
[quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: There are NO environmental risks from cycling unless some little rare bug that can't be seen very well, wanders in front of a cyclists wheels, cyclists do NOT cause any danger on the roads during the events either, the only people causing the dangers are a minority of motorists and locals who can't drive properly, cause dangerous hazards by spreading pins and tacks of the road(dangerous for ALL forest road users, not just cyclists) and by defacing, removing or destroying safety and direction signs, so rather than penalising cyclists who HELP the local economy and are the greenest mode of transport besides walking and riding horseback, they should penalise the true dangers to road users and the environment, MOTORISTS and locals who are KNOWN to be trouble makers at these events..[/p][/quote]More pertinently, tacks are likely to be swallowed by an animal.[/p][/quote]Indeed, that's the worst one, get found that you caused animal deaths like that and you'll be banned from keeping animals. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 1

4:08pm Wed 18 Sep 13

mellowdude says...

froots wrote:
mellowdude wrote:
one in a million wrote: Why stop at cyclists? Caravans, horses and motorcycles equally slow me down when I am trying to speed through the forest whilst selfishly exercising my divine right to drive as I have paid my road tax, heaven forbid I might have to slow down...
Dont just stop there, pedestrians walking in the road are also in my way when im trying to spead down country roads. They also get in my way when im speeding through towns such as Lyndhurst, crossing the road and causing me to wait for 10 seconds before moving on again.
Well, hang on. Let's not underdo things. The animals living TAX FREE in the forest are surely the worst culprits. Get rid of them too, amirite?
What about those birds that come and go as they please? They dont pay tax and they land in the road and cause me to slow dow or stop. We need to ban them from entering the area.
[quote][p][bold]froots[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mellowdude[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]one in a million[/bold] wrote: Why stop at cyclists? Caravans, horses and motorcycles equally slow me down when I am trying to speed through the forest whilst selfishly exercising my divine right to drive as I have paid my road tax, heaven forbid I might have to slow down...[/p][/quote]Dont just stop there, pedestrians walking in the road are also in my way when im trying to spead down country roads. They also get in my way when im speeding through towns such as Lyndhurst, crossing the road and causing me to wait for 10 seconds before moving on again.[/p][/quote]Well, hang on. Let's not underdo things. The animals living TAX FREE in the forest are surely the worst culprits. Get rid of them too, amirite?[/p][/quote]What about those birds that come and go as they please? They dont pay tax and they land in the road and cause me to slow dow or stop. We need to ban them from entering the area. mellowdude
  • Score: 5

4:42pm Wed 18 Sep 13

geoff51 says...

Anything that curtails the arrogance of the Nazi cycling brigade gets my vote.
Horse riders and walkers are welcome as they are polite, careful users of the forest and historically have always been part of the forest infrastructure.
Motorists provided they obey the speed limits and beware of loose animals are welcome as they bring in much needed income to the forest.
Cyclists in Lycra have no regard to the fragility of the forest and ride roughshod off path and when on the roads are head down **** up so totally unable to enjoy the forest and see road conditions around them.
Before the usual suspect start insulting me for my opinion of them they should remember they are representing their chosen pastime and should behave to give that pastime a good press, wheras I am only representing my personal opinion.
Anything that curtails the arrogance of the Nazi cycling brigade gets my vote. Horse riders and walkers are welcome as they are polite, careful users of the forest and historically have always been part of the forest infrastructure. Motorists provided they obey the speed limits and beware of loose animals are welcome as they bring in much needed income to the forest. Cyclists in Lycra have no regard to the fragility of the forest and ride roughshod off path and when on the roads are head down **** up so totally unable to enjoy the forest and see road conditions around them. Before the usual suspect start insulting me for my opinion of them they should remember they are representing their chosen pastime and should behave to give that pastime a good press, wheras I am only representing my personal opinion. geoff51
  • Score: -8

4:45pm Wed 18 Sep 13

bigfella777 says...

I couldn't care less, I haven't been there for years. It's a horrid place full of trees, animals and insects. Tarmac the lot for all I care there is nothing to do there and no McDonalds.
I couldn't care less, I haven't been there for years. It's a horrid place full of trees, animals and insects. Tarmac the lot for all I care there is nothing to do there and no McDonalds. bigfella777
  • Score: 0

4:55pm Wed 18 Sep 13

befriendly says...

Let's go all retro for safety and employment by having a man/ woman riding a bicycle, waving a red flag, to ride in front of every internal combustion vehicle. Fee payable of course. That alone will save the lives of over sixty, and counting, animals every year, plus quite a few humans as well and any local who complains, probably an incomer, will have their vehicles confiscated until they stop moaning.
Let's go all retro for safety and employment by having a man/ woman riding a bicycle, waving a red flag, to ride in front of every internal combustion vehicle. Fee payable of course. That alone will save the lives of over sixty, and counting, animals every year, plus quite a few humans as well and any local who complains, probably an incomer, will have their vehicles confiscated until they stop moaning. befriendly
  • Score: 5

4:56pm Wed 18 Sep 13

What garbage says...

ginger cyclist want be happy until any transport except a bike is permitted, love to see him get his grocery home and any sofa he buys on the back of his bike, get real and accept it bikers are arrogant lawbreaking menace
ginger cyclist want be happy until any transport except a bike is permitted, love to see him get his grocery home and any sofa he buys on the back of his bike, get real and accept it bikers are arrogant lawbreaking menace What garbage
  • Score: -2

4:59pm Wed 18 Sep 13

elvisimo says...

geoff51 wrote:
Anything that curtails the arrogance of the Nazi cycling brigade gets my vote.
Horse riders and walkers are welcome as they are polite, careful users of the forest and historically have always been part of the forest infrastructure.
Motorists provided they obey the speed limits and beware of loose animals are welcome as they bring in much needed income to the forest.
Cyclists in Lycra have no regard to the fragility of the forest and ride roughshod off path and when on the roads are head down **** up so totally unable to enjoy the forest and see road conditions around them.
Before the usual suspect start insulting me for my opinion of them they should remember they are representing their chosen pastime and should behave to give that pastime a good press, wheras I am only representing my personal opinion.
Always been part of the infrastructure? How far are you going back. 'Roughshot off paths' hmm yes happens all the time. 'Unable to see road conditions' yes that must be those cyclist who didn't go for the optional movable eyeballs. Ridiculous but quite funny post.
Lets ban fatties, they cause much more damage than normal people to the fragile Eco stsytem when they they stamp on it. Lets ban mobility scooters, gliding round like self righteous darleks. Lets ban runners , the noise from their cheap headphones offends the wildlife causing depression and animal suicides. Lets ban horses unless they learn to clean up after themselves.

Leave the forest for speeding motorists or horse murderers as they are know and nimby's. alternatively calm down and live and let live - its a big space than can cater for every taste - even dogging so my policeman brother in law informs me.

P.s. if you express a personal opinion on here you must expect a response, especially with narrow minded opinions.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: Anything that curtails the arrogance of the Nazi cycling brigade gets my vote. Horse riders and walkers are welcome as they are polite, careful users of the forest and historically have always been part of the forest infrastructure. Motorists provided they obey the speed limits and beware of loose animals are welcome as they bring in much needed income to the forest. Cyclists in Lycra have no regard to the fragility of the forest and ride roughshod off path and when on the roads are head down **** up so totally unable to enjoy the forest and see road conditions around them. Before the usual suspect start insulting me for my opinion of them they should remember they are representing their chosen pastime and should behave to give that pastime a good press, wheras I am only representing my personal opinion.[/p][/quote]Always been part of the infrastructure? How far are you going back. 'Roughshot off paths' hmm yes happens all the time. 'Unable to see road conditions' yes that must be those cyclist who didn't go for the optional movable eyeballs. Ridiculous but quite funny post. Lets ban fatties, they cause much more damage than normal people to the fragile Eco stsytem when they they stamp on it. Lets ban mobility scooters, gliding round like self righteous darleks. Lets ban runners , the noise from their cheap headphones offends the wildlife causing depression and animal suicides. Lets ban horses unless they learn to clean up after themselves. Leave the forest for speeding motorists or horse murderers as they are know and nimby's. alternatively calm down and live and let live - its a big space than can cater for every taste - even dogging so my policeman brother in law informs me. P.s. if you express a personal opinion on here you must expect a response, especially with narrow minded opinions. elvisimo
  • Score: 6

5:21pm Wed 18 Sep 13

Richard of Wantage says...

What garbage wrote:
ginger cyclist want be happy until any transport except a bike is permitted, love to see him get his grocery home and any sofa he buys on the back of his bike, get real and accept it bikers are arrogant lawbreaking menace
"bikers are arrogant lawbreaking menace" - really!

Well lets see;
60,000 motorists are convicted of drink driving each year,
in 2010 there were 555 motorists convicted of causing a death.

So who is the menace?

"What garage" - I think your name is very appropriate.
[quote][p][bold]What garbage[/bold] wrote: ginger cyclist want be happy until any transport except a bike is permitted, love to see him get his grocery home and any sofa he buys on the back of his bike, get real and accept it bikers are arrogant lawbreaking menace[/p][/quote]"bikers are arrogant lawbreaking menace" - really! Well lets see; 60,000 motorists are convicted of drink driving each year, in 2010 there were 555 motorists convicted of causing a death. So who is the menace? "What garage" - I think your name is very appropriate. Richard of Wantage
  • Score: 1

5:23pm Wed 18 Sep 13

geoff51 says...

elvisimo wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
Anything that curtails the arrogance of the Nazi cycling brigade gets my vote.
Horse riders and walkers are welcome as they are polite, careful users of the forest and historically have always been part of the forest infrastructure.
Motorists provided they obey the speed limits and beware of loose animals are welcome as they bring in much needed income to the forest.
Cyclists in Lycra have no regard to the fragility of the forest and ride roughshod off path and when on the roads are head down **** up so totally unable to enjoy the forest and see road conditions around them.
Before the usual suspect start insulting me for my opinion of them they should remember they are representing their chosen pastime and should behave to give that pastime a good press, wheras I am only representing my personal opinion.
Always been part of the infrastructure? How far are you going back. 'Roughshot off paths' hmm yes happens all the time. 'Unable to see road conditions' yes that must be those cyclist who didn't go for the optional movable eyeballs. Ridiculous but quite funny post.
Lets ban fatties, they cause much more damage than normal people to the fragile Eco stsytem when they they stamp on it. Lets ban mobility scooters, gliding round like self righteous darleks. Lets ban runners , the noise from their cheap headphones offends the wildlife causing depression and animal suicides. Lets ban horses unless they learn to clean up after themselves.

Leave the forest for speeding motorists or horse murderers as they are know and nimby's. alternatively calm down and live and let live - its a big space than can cater for every taste - even dogging so my policeman brother in law informs me.

P.s. if you express a personal opinion on here you must expect a response, especially with narrow minded opinions.
Like I said in my post if you wish to reduce your reply to the level of personal insult then you have already lost the debate, if you are unable to post a sensible reply putting the others side then don't bother.
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: Anything that curtails the arrogance of the Nazi cycling brigade gets my vote. Horse riders and walkers are welcome as they are polite, careful users of the forest and historically have always been part of the forest infrastructure. Motorists provided they obey the speed limits and beware of loose animals are welcome as they bring in much needed income to the forest. Cyclists in Lycra have no regard to the fragility of the forest and ride roughshod off path and when on the roads are head down **** up so totally unable to enjoy the forest and see road conditions around them. Before the usual suspect start insulting me for my opinion of them they should remember they are representing their chosen pastime and should behave to give that pastime a good press, wheras I am only representing my personal opinion.[/p][/quote]Always been part of the infrastructure? How far are you going back. 'Roughshot off paths' hmm yes happens all the time. 'Unable to see road conditions' yes that must be those cyclist who didn't go for the optional movable eyeballs. Ridiculous but quite funny post. Lets ban fatties, they cause much more damage than normal people to the fragile Eco stsytem when they they stamp on it. Lets ban mobility scooters, gliding round like self righteous darleks. Lets ban runners , the noise from their cheap headphones offends the wildlife causing depression and animal suicides. Lets ban horses unless they learn to clean up after themselves. Leave the forest for speeding motorists or horse murderers as they are know and nimby's. alternatively calm down and live and let live - its a big space than can cater for every taste - even dogging so my policeman brother in law informs me. P.s. if you express a personal opinion on here you must expect a response, especially with narrow minded opinions.[/p][/quote]Like I said in my post if you wish to reduce your reply to the level of personal insult then you have already lost the debate, if you are unable to post a sensible reply putting the others side then don't bother. geoff51
  • Score: -2

5:49pm Wed 18 Sep 13

froots says...

Richard of Wantage wrote:
What garbage wrote:
ginger cyclist want be happy until any transport except a bike is permitted, love to see him get his grocery home and any sofa he buys on the back of his bike, get real and accept it bikers are arrogant lawbreaking menace
"bikers are arrogant lawbreaking menace" - really!

Well lets see;
60,000 motorists are convicted of drink driving each year,
in 2010 there were 555 motorists convicted of causing a death.

So who is the menace?

"What garage" - I think your name is very appropriate.
The menace is the people who committed those offences, obviously. Cherry-picking a demographic they belong to, and blaming it all on that is ludicrously fallacious. As an experiment, go through those 60,000 motorists' cases, and find out what the most common forename was. Then you can start your "Dereks are a menace!" campaign, or whatever name happens to come out tops. Or maybe you'd like to slice up the data by skin colour? You getting the picture yet?
[quote][p][bold]Richard of Wantage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]What garbage[/bold] wrote: ginger cyclist want be happy until any transport except a bike is permitted, love to see him get his grocery home and any sofa he buys on the back of his bike, get real and accept it bikers are arrogant lawbreaking menace[/p][/quote]"bikers are arrogant lawbreaking menace" - really! Well lets see; 60,000 motorists are convicted of drink driving each year, in 2010 there were 555 motorists convicted of causing a death. So who is the menace? "What garage" - I think your name is very appropriate.[/p][/quote]The menace is the people who committed those offences, obviously. Cherry-picking a demographic they belong to, and blaming it all on that is ludicrously fallacious. As an experiment, go through those 60,000 motorists' cases, and find out what the most common forename was. Then you can start your "Dereks are a menace!" campaign, or whatever name happens to come out tops. Or maybe you'd like to slice up the data by skin colour? You getting the picture yet? froots
  • Score: -1

6:35pm Wed 18 Sep 13

TobyB1960 says...

As a resident, horse-rider and commoner of the New Forest, the comments on this article are getting silly and the article misleading. From my own personal experience and most in my village, cyclists cause very little nuisance and we are not cyclists. Tourists of any kind bring money into our economy and most of us welcome visitors to our great countryside. Unfortunately there are few residents who still see themselves as the "lord of the manor" to whom we should tip our caps and move our horse (or cycle) off the road to let them pass.

So as a poor serf I would like to say to the snobs in their 4x4’s, “Get real - the roads are to be shared by everyone”. Sorry for the tone but if its banning cyclists today, me and my horse will be tomorrow.
As a resident, horse-rider and commoner of the New Forest, the comments on this article are getting silly and the article misleading. From my own personal experience and most in my village, cyclists cause very little nuisance and we are not cyclists. Tourists of any kind bring money into our economy and most of us welcome visitors to our great countryside. Unfortunately there are few residents who still see themselves as the "lord of the manor" to whom we should tip our caps and move our horse (or cycle) off the road to let them pass. So as a poor serf I would like to say to the snobs in their 4x4’s, “Get real - the roads are to be shared by everyone”. Sorry for the tone but if its banning cyclists today, me and my horse will be tomorrow. TobyB1960
  • Score: 6

9:20pm Wed 18 Sep 13

AFrustratedCyclist says...

Absolutely spot on tobyb1960 glad to see some sense and balance on here.
Another forest resident here too, plenty of horses ridden around the village here and never seen a problem either including when a sportive comes through.

Geoff the troll/cycling Bigot has admitted he does not live here, nor has he ever been here when a sportive has been on and greatly exaggerates the. frequency and impact of a few cyclist on Southampton road

So I suggest everybody just ignores him, do not feed the trolls!
Absolutely spot on tobyb1960 glad to see some sense and balance on here. Another forest resident here too, plenty of horses ridden around the village here and never seen a problem either including when a sportive comes through. Geoff the troll/cycling Bigot has admitted he does not live here, nor has he ever been here when a sportive has been on and greatly exaggerates the. frequency and impact of a few cyclist on Southampton road So I suggest everybody just ignores him, do not feed the trolls! AFrustratedCyclist
  • Score: 4

9:36pm Wed 18 Sep 13

geoff51 says...

Actually I live on the edge of the forest and use it every day for dog walking or when I was younger for Horse riding.
I have no interested in watching a bunch of Lycra clad idiots cycling through the narrow forest roads so therefore I would not be anywhere near a so called sportive which is actually a race.
I am not a so called troll, just someone that does not subscribe to the mantra that cycling will save the world as many of its supporters believe.
I have no problem with cyclists in general, just those that force their opinion on others and throw insults at those who dare to disagree with them.
This is why I use the term Nazis as they also would not tolerate those that had different views from them and like the regular cycling posters on here would ridicule and attack non believers
Actually I live on the edge of the forest and use it every day for dog walking or when I was younger for Horse riding. I have no interested in watching a bunch of Lycra clad idiots cycling through the narrow forest roads so therefore I would not be anywhere near a so called sportive which is actually a race. I am not a so called troll, just someone that does not subscribe to the mantra that cycling will save the world as many of its supporters believe. I have no problem with cyclists in general, just those that force their opinion on others and throw insults at those who dare to disagree with them. This is why I use the term Nazis as they also would not tolerate those that had different views from them and like the regular cycling posters on here would ridicule and attack non believers geoff51
  • Score: -2

10:40pm Wed 18 Sep 13

AFrustratedCyclist says...

Godwin's law in action, you have once again reinforced your status as a prize fool Geoff.
Godwin's law in action, you have once again reinforced your status as a prize fool Geoff. AFrustratedCyclist
  • Score: 1

11:17pm Wed 18 Sep 13

Positively4thStreet says...

When cyclists are prepared to suffer road tax,they will be far less likely to suffer road tacks.
When cyclists are prepared to suffer road tax,they will be far less likely to suffer road tacks. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -10

8:55am Thu 19 Sep 13

AFrustratedCyclist says...

"road tax" doesn't exist, VED based on pollution does, and lots of cars on the road don't pay any VED at all.

oh and I and the majority of Cyclists also own cars and might\might not pay VED depending on the car they drive too.
"road tax" doesn't exist, VED based on pollution does, and lots of cars on the road don't pay any VED at all. oh and I and the majority of Cyclists also own cars and might\might not pay VED depending on the car they drive too. AFrustratedCyclist
  • Score: 4

9:22am Thu 19 Sep 13

froots says...

AFrustratedCyclist wrote:
"road tax" doesn't exist, VED based on pollution does, and lots of cars on the road don't pay any VED at all.

oh and I and the majority of Cyclists also own cars and might\might not pay VED depending on the car they drive too.
But everybody understands what you mean by "road tax", and in fact some official DVLA documents still refer to it. This nit-pick about the exact term serves nothing, and basically tells us you haven't got any actual points to make.
[quote][p][bold]AFrustratedCyclist[/bold] wrote: "road tax" doesn't exist, VED based on pollution does, and lots of cars on the road don't pay any VED at all. oh and I and the majority of Cyclists also own cars and might\might not pay VED depending on the car they drive too.[/p][/quote]But everybody understands what you mean by "road tax", and in fact some official DVLA documents still refer to it. This nit-pick about the exact term serves nothing, and basically tells us you haven't got any actual points to make. froots
  • Score: 2

9:48am Thu 19 Sep 13

Richard of Wantage says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
When cyclists are prepared to suffer road tax,they will be far less likely to suffer road tacks.
If asked, I'm sure most cyclists would be prepared to pay the VED based on the emissions their cycle produces. It would then put a stop to this silly comment.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: When cyclists are prepared to suffer road tax,they will be far less likely to suffer road tacks.[/p][/quote]If asked, I'm sure most cyclists would be prepared to pay the VED based on the emissions their cycle produces. It would then put a stop to this silly comment. Richard of Wantage
  • Score: 2

10:21am Thu 19 Sep 13

Niel says...

What garbage wrote:
ginger cyclist want be happy until any transport except a bike is permitted, love to see him get his grocery home and any sofa he buys on the back of his bike, get real and accept it bikers are arrogant lawbreaking menace
I think you mean the lycra clad cyclistas are an arrogant lawbreaking menace. Biker's are usually clad in leather and ride machines with number plates that makes them traceable...
[quote][p][bold]What garbage[/bold] wrote: ginger cyclist want be happy until any transport except a bike is permitted, love to see him get his grocery home and any sofa he buys on the back of his bike, get real and accept it bikers are arrogant lawbreaking menace[/p][/quote]I think you mean the lycra clad cyclistas are an arrogant lawbreaking menace. Biker's are usually clad in leather and ride machines with number plates that makes them traceable... Niel
  • Score: 0

11:58am Thu 19 Sep 13

I'm a Free Man says...

My goodness, driving, walking, running, cycling, horse riding, livestock grazing and lots of people moaning.

The New Forest is a National Park, there for the NATION to enjoy, if I want to ride my bike I'll ride it, if I want to drive my car I'll drive it, if I want to take my kids for a walk there, I'll take them. It's open to the nation, not just those people that live there. If you don't like people coming to visit and helping the economy, then go live somewhere else, if you don't want to do that, then be thankful that you live in a great part of the country and put a smile on your face and share it with the rest of us.

To everyone else who visits it, treat the forest and the people with respect, don't drop litter, ride your bike/horse/car with a little respect to other road and forest users and smile at the residents of this great National Park and hopefully you’ll get one back.

This stupid debate has gone on far too long, get used to the New Forest being used more and more for leisure activities as those of us who live in towns and cities need these spaces. Let’s just hope it will be around for our future generations to enjoy as much as I, my family and many of my friends do!
My goodness, driving, walking, running, cycling, horse riding, livestock grazing and lots of people moaning. The New Forest is a National Park, there for the NATION to enjoy, if I want to ride my bike I'll ride it, if I want to drive my car I'll drive it, if I want to take my kids for a walk there, I'll take them. It's open to the nation, not just those people that live there. If you don't like people coming to visit and helping the economy, then go live somewhere else, if you don't want to do that, then be thankful that you live in a great part of the country and put a smile on your face and share it with the rest of us. To everyone else who visits it, treat the forest and the people with respect, don't drop litter, ride your bike/horse/car with a little respect to other road and forest users and smile at the residents of this great National Park and hopefully you’ll get one back. This stupid debate has gone on far too long, get used to the New Forest being used more and more for leisure activities as those of us who live in towns and cities need these spaces. Let’s just hope it will be around for our future generations to enjoy as much as I, my family and many of my friends do! I'm a Free Man
  • Score: 5

1:59pm Thu 19 Sep 13

Positively4thStreet says...

Richard of Wantage wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
When cyclists are prepared to suffer road tax,they will be far less likely to suffer road tacks.
If asked, I'm sure most cyclists would be prepared to pay the VED based on the emissions their cycle produces. It would then put a stop to this silly comment.
Yes,I apologise,but the point I was so ineptly trying to make was that when cyclists are seen to be not sharing the financial responsibilities, of using the roads,such as motorists have to,e.g. VED,insurance,MOT's,
and also show no visible sign of identification,but still claim all the rights of other road users,then it wears a bit thin.
Added to this when an irresponsible minority of cyclists are also often to be seen flouting the law by riding on pavements,riding without lights,and ignoring traffic lights,it is easy to understand why others might get a little annoyed.
[quote][p][bold]Richard of Wantage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: When cyclists are prepared to suffer road tax,they will be far less likely to suffer road tacks.[/p][/quote]If asked, I'm sure most cyclists would be prepared to pay the VED based on the emissions their cycle produces. It would then put a stop to this silly comment.[/p][/quote]Yes,I apologise,but the point I was so ineptly trying to make was that when cyclists are seen to be not sharing the financial responsibilities, of using the roads,such as motorists have to,e.g. VED,insurance,MOT's, and also show no visible sign of identification,but still claim all the rights of other road users,then it wears a bit thin. Added to this when an irresponsible minority of cyclists are also often to be seen flouting the law by riding on pavements,riding without lights,and ignoring traffic lights,it is easy to understand why others might get a little annoyed. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 3

2:48pm Thu 19 Sep 13

Richard of Wantage says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Richard of Wantage wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
When cyclists are prepared to suffer road tax,they will be far less likely to suffer road tacks.
If asked, I'm sure most cyclists would be prepared to pay the VED based on the emissions their cycle produces. It would then put a stop to this silly comment.
Yes,I apologise,but the point I was so ineptly trying to make was that when cyclists are seen to be not sharing the financial responsibilities, of using the roads,such as motorists have to,e.g. VED,insurance,MOT's,

and also show no visible sign of identification,but still claim all the rights of other road users,then it wears a bit thin.
Added to this when an irresponsible minority of cyclists are also often to be seen flouting the law by riding on pavements,riding without lights,and ignoring traffic lights,it is easy to understand why others might get a little annoyed.
I'm sure cyclists would be prepare to pay for their financial responsibilities.

VED based upon emissions their cycle produces- OK;
insurance - if they have no home insurance which covers liability, then yes;
fuel tax - for every litre of fuel a cycle uses the tax should be the same- agree;
identification - I always liked the idea of a bar code tattoo on the back of the neck for everyone to see.
MOT - cycles over three years old to be tested for road worthiness and exhaust emissions - I think we can agree on that.

I think we may have resolved the issues between motorises and cyclists. :)
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richard of Wantage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: When cyclists are prepared to suffer road tax,they will be far less likely to suffer road tacks.[/p][/quote]If asked, I'm sure most cyclists would be prepared to pay the VED based on the emissions their cycle produces. It would then put a stop to this silly comment.[/p][/quote]Yes,I apologise,but the point I was so ineptly trying to make was that when cyclists are seen to be not sharing the financial responsibilities, of using the roads,such as motorists have to,e.g. VED,insurance,MOT's, and also show no visible sign of identification,but still claim all the rights of other road users,then it wears a bit thin. Added to this when an irresponsible minority of cyclists are also often to be seen flouting the law by riding on pavements,riding without lights,and ignoring traffic lights,it is easy to understand why others might get a little annoyed.[/p][/quote]I'm sure cyclists would be prepare to pay for their financial responsibilities. VED based upon emissions their cycle produces- OK; insurance - if they have no home insurance which covers liability, then yes; fuel tax - for every litre of fuel a cycle uses the tax should be the same- agree; identification - I always liked the idea of a bar code tattoo on the back of the neck for everyone to see. MOT - cycles over three years old to be tested for road worthiness and exhaust emissions - I think we can agree on that. I think we may have resolved the issues between motorises and cyclists. :) Richard of Wantage
  • Score: -2

3:01pm Thu 19 Sep 13

Positively4thStreet says...

Richard of Wantage wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Richard of Wantage wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
When cyclists are prepared to suffer road tax,they will be far less likely to suffer road tacks.
If asked, I'm sure most cyclists would be prepared to pay the VED based on the emissions their cycle produces. It would then put a stop to this silly comment.
Yes,I apologise,but the point I was so ineptly trying to make was that when cyclists are seen to be not sharing the financial responsibilities, of using the roads,such as motorists have to,e.g. VED,insurance,MOT's,


and also show no visible sign of identification,but still claim all the rights of other road users,then it wears a bit thin.
Added to this when an irresponsible minority of cyclists are also often to be seen flouting the law by riding on pavements,riding without lights,and ignoring traffic lights,it is easy to understand why others might get a little annoyed.
I'm sure cyclists would be prepare to pay for their financial responsibilities.

VED based upon emissions their cycle produces- OK;
insurance - if they have no home insurance which covers liability, then yes;
fuel tax - for every litre of fuel a cycle uses the tax should be the same- agree;
identification - I always liked the idea of a bar code tattoo on the back of the neck for everyone to see.
MOT - cycles over three years old to be tested for road worthiness and exhaust emissions - I think we can agree on that.

I think we may have resolved the issues between motorises and cyclists. :)
If you say so. :0)
[quote][p][bold]Richard of Wantage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richard of Wantage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: When cyclists are prepared to suffer road tax,they will be far less likely to suffer road tacks.[/p][/quote]If asked, I'm sure most cyclists would be prepared to pay the VED based on the emissions their cycle produces. It would then put a stop to this silly comment.[/p][/quote]Yes,I apologise,but the point I was so ineptly trying to make was that when cyclists are seen to be not sharing the financial responsibilities, of using the roads,such as motorists have to,e.g. VED,insurance,MOT's, and also show no visible sign of identification,but still claim all the rights of other road users,then it wears a bit thin. Added to this when an irresponsible minority of cyclists are also often to be seen flouting the law by riding on pavements,riding without lights,and ignoring traffic lights,it is easy to understand why others might get a little annoyed.[/p][/quote]I'm sure cyclists would be prepare to pay for their financial responsibilities. VED based upon emissions their cycle produces- OK; insurance - if they have no home insurance which covers liability, then yes; fuel tax - for every litre of fuel a cycle uses the tax should be the same- agree; identification - I always liked the idea of a bar code tattoo on the back of the neck for everyone to see. MOT - cycles over three years old to be tested for road worthiness and exhaust emissions - I think we can agree on that. I think we may have resolved the issues between motorises and cyclists. :)[/p][/quote]If you say so. :0) Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -1

4:19pm Thu 19 Sep 13

kollette says...

I was going to write something, then thought to myself, "Why bother ?" There's nothing new on this thread - it's all been said before.
I was going to write something, then thought to myself, "Why bother ?" There's nothing new on this thread - it's all been said before. kollette
  • Score: -2

4:40pm Thu 19 Sep 13

AFrustratedCyclist says...

its all just a bit tiring isn't it?
its all just a bit tiring isn't it? AFrustratedCyclist
  • Score: 1

4:44pm Thu 19 Sep 13

Forest Resident says...

'Road Tax' is based purely on emissions, it costs nothing if your vehicle does not produce any, therefore if applied fairly and equally to a bicycle user it would be free. More importantly though it is plain and simply fact the main source of funding for roads is through direct taxation (income tax) so as long as one is working and spending money everyone is paying for the roads. Regardless, whatever tax argument one concocts it bears no resemblance whatsoever to 'entitlement' or 'right' of one road user over another, that is clearly defined in law and unequivocally states cyclists enjoy equal standing with all road users. It matters not one jot what form of transport one uses, we are all just on the roads trying to get somewhere for a purpose, a little patience and respect from everyone is all that is required here.
'Road Tax' is based purely on emissions, it costs nothing if your vehicle does not produce any, therefore if applied fairly and equally to a bicycle user it would be free. More importantly though it is plain and simply fact the main source of funding for roads is through direct taxation (income tax) so as long as one is working and spending money everyone is paying for the roads. Regardless, whatever tax argument one concocts it bears no resemblance whatsoever to 'entitlement' or 'right' of one road user over another, that is clearly defined in law and unequivocally states cyclists enjoy equal standing with all road users. It matters not one jot what form of transport one uses, we are all just on the roads trying to get somewhere for a purpose, a little patience and respect from everyone is all that is required here. Forest Resident
  • Score: 1

9:17pm Thu 19 Sep 13

Where is the Saviour? says...

geoff51 wrote:
Anything that curtails the arrogance of the Nazi cycling brigade gets my vote.
Horse riders and walkers are welcome as they are polite, careful users of the forest and historically have always been part of the forest infrastructure.
Motorists provided they obey the speed limits and beware of loose animals are welcome as they bring in much needed income to the forest.
Cyclists in Lycra have no regard to the fragility of the forest and ride roughshod off path and when on the roads are head down **** up so totally unable to enjoy the forest and see road conditions around them.
Before the usual suspect start insulting me for my opinion of them they should remember they are representing their chosen pastime and should behave to give that pastime a good press, wheras I am only representing my personal opinion.
geoff i am not representing the chosen pastime, i am only representing my personal opinion. you sir are an intolerant, generalising idiot whose argument falls over on so many levels that it makes you look stupid. re-read your post, feel stupid about your opinion and take a long look at yourself. i am sure the problems in your life are far greater than the issues you feel the rest of us want to hear. very sad.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: Anything that curtails the arrogance of the Nazi cycling brigade gets my vote. Horse riders and walkers are welcome as they are polite, careful users of the forest and historically have always been part of the forest infrastructure. Motorists provided they obey the speed limits and beware of loose animals are welcome as they bring in much needed income to the forest. Cyclists in Lycra have no regard to the fragility of the forest and ride roughshod off path and when on the roads are head down **** up so totally unable to enjoy the forest and see road conditions around them. Before the usual suspect start insulting me for my opinion of them they should remember they are representing their chosen pastime and should behave to give that pastime a good press, wheras I am only representing my personal opinion.[/p][/quote]geoff i am not representing the chosen pastime, i am only representing my personal opinion. you sir are an intolerant, generalising idiot whose argument falls over on so many levels that it makes you look stupid. re-read your post, feel stupid about your opinion and take a long look at yourself. i am sure the problems in your life are far greater than the issues you feel the rest of us want to hear. very sad. Where is the Saviour?
  • Score: 1

9:22pm Thu 19 Sep 13

Where is the Saviour? says...

Geoff, you mug. Look what you posted back in april on a previous cycle story. you need to make your mind up mate.

The thought over that many ill mannered, self congratulating, law braking idiots in tight lycra make me feel physically sick-Pass the chunder bucket!
Seriously if there were that many say horse riders collecting in one place and blocking the roads would there not be a gaggle of antis and do gooders up in arms claiming they were killing fluffy foxies?
I have no problem with cyclists in the forest providing their numbers are limited and they keep to the marked cycle routes and not damage the delicate eco system of the area.
This many however is dangerous on narrow forest roads and they must obey the laws and bylaws of the NPA.
Geoff, you mug. Look what you posted back in april on a previous cycle story. you need to make your mind up mate. The thought over that many ill mannered, self congratulating, law braking idiots in tight lycra make me feel physically sick-Pass the chunder bucket! Seriously if there were that many say horse riders collecting in one place and blocking the roads would there not be a gaggle of antis and do gooders up in arms claiming they were killing fluffy foxies? I have no problem with cyclists in the forest providing their numbers are limited and they keep to the marked cycle routes and not damage the delicate eco system of the area. This many however is dangerous on narrow forest roads and they must obey the laws and bylaws of the NPA. Where is the Saviour?
  • Score: 2

9:34pm Thu 19 Sep 13

geoff51 says...

Where is the Saviour? wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
Anything that curtails the arrogance of the Nazi cycling brigade gets my vote.
Horse riders and walkers are welcome as they are polite, careful users of the forest and historically have always been part of the forest infrastructure.
Motorists provided they obey the speed limits and beware of loose animals are welcome as they bring in much needed income to the forest.
Cyclists in Lycra have no regard to the fragility of the forest and ride roughshod off path and when on the roads are head down **** up so totally unable to enjoy the forest and see road conditions around them.
Before the usual suspect start insulting me for my opinion of them they should remember they are representing their chosen pastime and should behave to give that pastime a good press, wheras I am only representing my personal opinion.
geoff i am not representing the chosen pastime, i am only representing my personal opinion. you sir are an intolerant, generalising idiot whose argument falls over on so many levels that it makes you look stupid. re-read your post, feel stupid about your opinion and take a long look at yourself. i am sure the problems in your life are far greater than the issues you feel the rest of us want to hear. very sad.
As I said before when you resort to unsubstantiated insults you have already lost the argument as you have run out of intelligent debate.
I have no problems in my life,despite what you believe I just have a right to my opinion and don't expect you to agree with it but I unlike you respect other peoples right to express it
[quote][p][bold]Where is the Saviour?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: Anything that curtails the arrogance of the Nazi cycling brigade gets my vote. Horse riders and walkers are welcome as they are polite, careful users of the forest and historically have always been part of the forest infrastructure. Motorists provided they obey the speed limits and beware of loose animals are welcome as they bring in much needed income to the forest. Cyclists in Lycra have no regard to the fragility of the forest and ride roughshod off path and when on the roads are head down **** up so totally unable to enjoy the forest and see road conditions around them. Before the usual suspect start insulting me for my opinion of them they should remember they are representing their chosen pastime and should behave to give that pastime a good press, wheras I am only representing my personal opinion.[/p][/quote]geoff i am not representing the chosen pastime, i am only representing my personal opinion. you sir are an intolerant, generalising idiot whose argument falls over on so many levels that it makes you look stupid. re-read your post, feel stupid about your opinion and take a long look at yourself. i am sure the problems in your life are far greater than the issues you feel the rest of us want to hear. very sad.[/p][/quote]As I said before when you resort to unsubstantiated insults you have already lost the argument as you have run out of intelligent debate. I have no problems in my life,despite what you believe I just have a right to my opinion and don't expect you to agree with it but I unlike you respect other peoples right to express it geoff51
  • Score: -1

9:36pm Thu 19 Sep 13

geoff51 says...

Where is the Saviour? wrote:
Geoff, you mug. Look what you posted back in april on a previous cycle story. you need to make your mind up mate.

The thought over that many ill mannered, self congratulating, law braking idiots in tight lycra make me feel physically sick-Pass the chunder bucket!
Seriously if there were that many say horse riders collecting in one place and blocking the roads would there not be a gaggle of antis and do gooders up in arms claiming they were killing fluffy foxies?
I have no problem with cyclists in the forest providing their numbers are limited and they keep to the marked cycle routes and not damage the delicate eco system of the area.
This many however is dangerous on narrow forest roads and they must obey the laws and bylaws of the NPA.
Sad man, when you have to reread my ancient posts to find another way to insult me when you have run out of intelligent debate.
[quote][p][bold]Where is the Saviour?[/bold] wrote: Geoff, you mug. Look what you posted back in april on a previous cycle story. you need to make your mind up mate. The thought over that many ill mannered, self congratulating, law braking idiots in tight lycra make me feel physically sick-Pass the chunder bucket! Seriously if there were that many say horse riders collecting in one place and blocking the roads would there not be a gaggle of antis and do gooders up in arms claiming they were killing fluffy foxies? I have no problem with cyclists in the forest providing their numbers are limited and they keep to the marked cycle routes and not damage the delicate eco system of the area. This many however is dangerous on narrow forest roads and they must obey the laws and bylaws of the NPA.[/p][/quote]Sad man, when you have to reread my ancient posts to find another way to insult me when you have run out of intelligent debate. geoff51
  • Score: -1

9:43pm Thu 19 Sep 13

Where is the Saviour? says...

geoff51 wrote:
Where is the Saviour? wrote:
Geoff, you mug. Look what you posted back in april on a previous cycle story. you need to make your mind up mate.

The thought over that many ill mannered, self congratulating, law braking idiots in tight lycra make me feel physically sick-Pass the chunder bucket!
Seriously if there were that many say horse riders collecting in one place and blocking the roads would there not be a gaggle of antis and do gooders up in arms claiming they were killing fluffy foxies?
I have no problem with cyclists in the forest providing their numbers are limited and they keep to the marked cycle routes and not damage the delicate eco system of the area.
This many however is dangerous on narrow forest roads and they must obey the laws and bylaws of the NPA.
Sad man, when you have to reread my ancient posts to find another way to insult me when you have run out of intelligent debate.
Quick response from you Geoff. Nothing better to do than wait for responses to your nonsense. Ancient no...April 2013. I just remembered your Nazi quote and knew I had seen it somewhere on a previous cycle story that i have an interest in.

Intelligent debate does not happen with someone who compares someone on a bike with Nazis.

Night night Geoff.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Where is the Saviour?[/bold] wrote: Geoff, you mug. Look what you posted back in april on a previous cycle story. you need to make your mind up mate. The thought over that many ill mannered, self congratulating, law braking idiots in tight lycra make me feel physically sick-Pass the chunder bucket! Seriously if there were that many say horse riders collecting in one place and blocking the roads would there not be a gaggle of antis and do gooders up in arms claiming they were killing fluffy foxies? I have no problem with cyclists in the forest providing their numbers are limited and they keep to the marked cycle routes and not damage the delicate eco system of the area. This many however is dangerous on narrow forest roads and they must obey the laws and bylaws of the NPA.[/p][/quote]Sad man, when you have to reread my ancient posts to find another way to insult me when you have run out of intelligent debate.[/p][/quote]Quick response from you Geoff. Nothing better to do than wait for responses to your nonsense. Ancient no...April 2013. I just remembered your Nazi quote and knew I had seen it somewhere on a previous cycle story that i have an interest in. Intelligent debate does not happen with someone who compares someone on a bike with Nazis. Night night Geoff. Where is the Saviour?
  • Score: 1

9:55pm Thu 19 Sep 13

geoff51 says...

Where is the Saviour? wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
Where is the Saviour? wrote:
Geoff, you mug. Look what you posted back in april on a previous cycle story. you need to make your mind up mate.

The thought over that many ill mannered, self congratulating, law braking idiots in tight lycra make me feel physically sick-Pass the chunder bucket!
Seriously if there were that many say horse riders collecting in one place and blocking the roads would there not be a gaggle of antis and do gooders up in arms claiming they were killing fluffy foxies?
I have no problem with cyclists in the forest providing their numbers are limited and they keep to the marked cycle routes and not damage the delicate eco system of the area.
This many however is dangerous on narrow forest roads and they must obey the laws and bylaws of the NPA.
Sad man, when you have to reread my ancient posts to find another way to insult me when you have run out of intelligent debate.
Quick response from you Geoff. Nothing better to do than wait for responses to your nonsense. Ancient no...April 2013. I just remembered your Nazi quote and knew I had seen it somewhere on a previous cycle story that i have an interest in.

Intelligent debate does not happen with someone who compares someone on a bike with Nazis.

Night night Geoff.
Nazis refused to accept others side of the argument just as you are so I think that the correolation is very apt in the case of cyclists.
[quote][p][bold]Where is the Saviour?[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Where is the Saviour?[/bold] wrote: Geoff, you mug. Look what you posted back in april on a previous cycle story. you need to make your mind up mate. The thought over that many ill mannered, self congratulating, law braking idiots in tight lycra make me feel physically sick-Pass the chunder bucket! Seriously if there were that many say horse riders collecting in one place and blocking the roads would there not be a gaggle of antis and do gooders up in arms claiming they were killing fluffy foxies? I have no problem with cyclists in the forest providing their numbers are limited and they keep to the marked cycle routes and not damage the delicate eco system of the area. This many however is dangerous on narrow forest roads and they must obey the laws and bylaws of the NPA.[/p][/quote]Sad man, when you have to reread my ancient posts to find another way to insult me when you have run out of intelligent debate.[/p][/quote]Quick response from you Geoff. Nothing better to do than wait for responses to your nonsense. Ancient no...April 2013. I just remembered your Nazi quote and knew I had seen it somewhere on a previous cycle story that i have an interest in. Intelligent debate does not happen with someone who compares someone on a bike with Nazis. Night night Geoff.[/p][/quote]Nazis refused to accept others side of the argument just as you are so I think that the correolation is very apt in the case of cyclists. geoff51
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8:31am Fri 20 Sep 13

AFrustratedCyclist says...

Geoff. Pot. Kettle!

need I say anymore
Geoff. Pot. Kettle! need I say anymore AFrustratedCyclist
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