John Denham MP hits out at 'scandal' of foreign nurses working in Southampton

Daily Echo: Southampton Itchen MP John Denham Southampton Itchen MP John Denham

A SOUTHAMPTON MP says it is a “scandal” that Southampton hospital bosses have been forced to recruit nurses from abroad.

John Denham spoke out after it was revealed that University Hospital Southampton NHS Foundation Trust (UHS) had hired 144 nurses from Portugal and Spain within the past year.

Ninety were from Portugal and 54 from Spain.

The figures were revealed almost a year after Southampton General Hospital had come under fire for a shortage of nurses by inspectors, which had left some patient unsupervised for long periods.

As part of a major recruitment drive launched by hospital chiefs, recruiters made two trips abroad and hired 90 nurses in a bid to bring the vacancy rate from nine per cent down to 2.5 per cent this autumn.

Mr Denham, MP for Southampton Itchen, said that the rise in overseas recruitment has coincided with a dramatic cut in the number of British nurses being trained in Hampshire.

He said: “While 144 foreign nurses have been recruited, the number of the nurses trained in local universities and hospitals has been cut by 115 a year since the Conservative-led Government came into power.

“While I am sure these Spanish and Portuguese nurses will do a great job, it seems daft that Southampton has to recruit abroad while local people can't get into nurse training.”

A spokesman for UHS said: “We extended our nursing and healthcare assistant recruitment drive overseas due to a shortfall in the number of UK applicants who responded to our local and national advertising campaigns last year.

“The 144 experienced and skilled Portuguese and Spanish nurses recruited during this process have integrated well into our 4,000-strong nursing workforce and have enabled us to ensure our wards are appropriately staffed ahead of what we expect will be a very busy winter period.”

The figures revealed by the Nursing Times showed Southampton recruited more foreign nurses than any other trust in the country.

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7:09am Tue 15 Oct 13

Dai Rear says...

If I was a representative of the party which has done so much damage to education (Tony Crosland, Shirley Williams when in his party, just 2 little examples) that the schools can no longer produce people capable of nursing, I don't think I'd rear up on my hind legs and bray so loudly.
If I was a representative of the party which has done so much damage to education (Tony Crosland, Shirley Williams when in his party, just 2 little examples) that the schools can no longer produce people capable of nursing, I don't think I'd rear up on my hind legs and bray so loudly. Dai Rear

7:29am Tue 15 Oct 13

good-gosh says...

Foreign nurses are absolutely charming. It’s a pleasure to be bossed about by them.
Foreign nurses are absolutely charming. It’s a pleasure to be bossed about by them. good-gosh

8:11am Tue 15 Oct 13

tootle says...

Schools can produce people capable of nursing. However schools cannot produce enough people who really want to be nurses and have the academic ability to pass a degree. The old two tier system of nursing gave people with a lower academic achievement an entry into nursing AND the staus of being a nurse and how many patients really cared which qualification the person helping you had. My daughter could never have gone into nursing these days but would have made a good, caring one had she been interested. Her friend was going into nursing and was pushed through the A levels etc she needed, became deeply unhappy trying to keep up with the course and left. Do all our nurses really need to be highflyers or is there still a place for the person who cares? There is no simple answer but whilst we exclude a large proportion of our teenage population from this career we will be needing to recruit foreign workers.
Schools can produce people capable of nursing. However schools cannot produce enough people who really want to be nurses and have the academic ability to pass a degree. The old two tier system of nursing gave people with a lower academic achievement an entry into nursing AND the staus of being a nurse and how many patients really cared which qualification the person helping you had. My daughter could never have gone into nursing these days but would have made a good, caring one had she been interested. Her friend was going into nursing and was pushed through the A levels etc she needed, became deeply unhappy trying to keep up with the course and left. Do all our nurses really need to be highflyers or is there still a place for the person who cares? There is no simple answer but whilst we exclude a large proportion of our teenage population from this career we will be needing to recruit foreign workers. tootle

8:13am Tue 15 Oct 13

loosehead says...

Lets get this straight! the general Hospital pays way over the top for the houses in Laundry Rd! it then charges staff to park in the hospital grounds.
it then loses nurses quarters as the buildings were condemned.
then it cuts the amount of student nurses being trained!
now how many years does it take to train a fully qualified nurse?
As the lack of nursing staff was noticed a year ago this would mean they weren't training/hiring enough student nurses when Labour were in power were they?
If it's easier & cheaper to hire fully trained nurses from abroad( English speaking) then as with private industry the bosses will hire them so unless we leave the EU this will happen no matter who's in power so why is Denham trying to blame this government when the lack of recruiting must have started under Labour?
Lets get this straight! the general Hospital pays way over the top for the houses in Laundry Rd! it then charges staff to park in the hospital grounds. it then loses nurses quarters as the buildings were condemned. then it cuts the amount of student nurses being trained! now how many years does it take to train a fully qualified nurse? As the lack of nursing staff was noticed a year ago this would mean they weren't training/hiring enough student nurses when Labour were in power were they? If it's easier & cheaper to hire fully trained nurses from abroad( English speaking) then as with private industry the bosses will hire them so unless we leave the EU this will happen no matter who's in power so why is Denham trying to blame this government when the lack of recruiting must have started under Labour? loosehead

9:14am Tue 15 Oct 13

Inform Al says...

loosehead wrote:
Lets get this straight! the general Hospital pays way over the top for the houses in Laundry Rd! it then charges staff to park in the hospital grounds.
it then loses nurses quarters as the buildings were condemned.
then it cuts the amount of student nurses being trained!
now how many years does it take to train a fully qualified nurse?
As the lack of nursing staff was noticed a year ago this would mean they weren't training/hiring enough student nurses when Labour were in power were they?
If it's easier & cheaper to hire fully trained nurses from abroad( English speaking) then as with private industry the bosses will hire them so unless we leave the EU this will happen no matter who's in power so why is Denham trying to blame this government when the lack of recruiting must have started under Labour?
I don't give a fig about which bunch of idiots were ruining the country when things went pear shaped. John Denham is right to raise the issue at this time.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Lets get this straight! the general Hospital pays way over the top for the houses in Laundry Rd! it then charges staff to park in the hospital grounds. it then loses nurses quarters as the buildings were condemned. then it cuts the amount of student nurses being trained! now how many years does it take to train a fully qualified nurse? As the lack of nursing staff was noticed a year ago this would mean they weren't training/hiring enough student nurses when Labour were in power were they? If it's easier & cheaper to hire fully trained nurses from abroad( English speaking) then as with private industry the bosses will hire them so unless we leave the EU this will happen no matter who's in power so why is Denham trying to blame this government when the lack of recruiting must have started under Labour?[/p][/quote]I don't give a fig about which bunch of idiots were ruining the country when things went pear shaped. John Denham is right to raise the issue at this time. Inform Al

9:28am Tue 15 Oct 13

good-gosh says...

The explanation given by Southampton Hospital is completely plausible – not enough locals apply.
The explanation given by Southampton Hospital is completely plausible – not enough locals apply. good-gosh

9:42am Tue 15 Oct 13

House Sparrow says...

The number of nurses in training is determined by the Department of Health not the individual hospitals.
Nurses need degrees because they are doing some of the work that would have been done by doctors in the past.
The non-degree nursing is now provided by care assistants.
The number of nurses in training is determined by the Department of Health not the individual hospitals. Nurses need degrees because they are doing some of the work that would have been done by doctors in the past. The non-degree nursing is now provided by care assistants. House Sparrow

12:37pm Tue 15 Oct 13

loosehead says...

Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lets get this straight! the general Hospital pays way over the top for the houses in Laundry Rd! it then charges staff to park in the hospital grounds.
it then loses nurses quarters as the buildings were condemned.
then it cuts the amount of student nurses being trained!
now how many years does it take to train a fully qualified nurse?
As the lack of nursing staff was noticed a year ago this would mean they weren't training/hiring enough student nurses when Labour were in power were they?
If it's easier & cheaper to hire fully trained nurses from abroad( English speaking) then as with private industry the bosses will hire them so unless we leave the EU this will happen no matter who's in power so why is Denham trying to blame this government when the lack of recruiting must have started under Labour?
I don't give a fig about which bunch of idiots were ruining the country when things went pear shaped. John Denham is right to raise the issue at this time.
Inform Al before you praise that jerk why was he not shouting about it when the NHS was recruiting Filipino nurses & cleaners?
It has everything to do with politics so come on stop being so nieve if Labour was in Government would Denham be kicking up about it? NO he wouldn't as he never ever did!
Exactly how many applied to be student nurses? how many unemployed British born nurses are there looking for work?
You are being very stupid to say the points I've put forward & Denham has a point as that same point of view put forward on this website when Labour were in power would have had Denham & the left branding the poster as a racist or is your memory so short you forget being called that because I do
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Lets get this straight! the general Hospital pays way over the top for the houses in Laundry Rd! it then charges staff to park in the hospital grounds. it then loses nurses quarters as the buildings were condemned. then it cuts the amount of student nurses being trained! now how many years does it take to train a fully qualified nurse? As the lack of nursing staff was noticed a year ago this would mean they weren't training/hiring enough student nurses when Labour were in power were they? If it's easier & cheaper to hire fully trained nurses from abroad( English speaking) then as with private industry the bosses will hire them so unless we leave the EU this will happen no matter who's in power so why is Denham trying to blame this government when the lack of recruiting must have started under Labour?[/p][/quote]I don't give a fig about which bunch of idiots were ruining the country when things went pear shaped. John Denham is right to raise the issue at this time.[/p][/quote]Inform Al before you praise that jerk why was he not shouting about it when the NHS was recruiting Filipino nurses & cleaners? It has everything to do with politics so come on stop being so nieve if Labour was in Government would Denham be kicking up about it? NO he wouldn't as he never ever did! Exactly how many applied to be student nurses? how many unemployed British born nurses are there looking for work? You are being very stupid to say the points I've put forward & Denham has a point as that same point of view put forward on this website when Labour were in power would have had Denham & the left branding the poster as a racist or is your memory so short you forget being called that because I do loosehead

3:50pm Tue 15 Oct 13

Scorpio1155 says...

When Labour was in power Nurses were being recruited in their thousands to replace home grown nurses to save money in the NHS. The Labour Government was not concerned with the quality of nurses or cared where they came from. Many good nurses and other NHS staff were treated badly and left the NHS. In 2006 the General was short of staff and a major recruitment drive was to take place to try and improve care and staff numbers. So this is not the first time a recruitment drive has taken place. In 2007 the Labour Government was not concerned with recruiting Nurses as they were cutting back on staff and services. Mr John Denham was not concerned about then. I have written evidence that supports this, would you like to have copies Mr Denham?
When Labour was in power Nurses were being recruited in their thousands to replace home grown nurses to save money in the NHS. The Labour Government was not concerned with the quality of nurses or cared where they came from. Many good nurses and other NHS staff were treated badly and left the NHS. In 2006 the General was short of staff and a major recruitment drive was to take place to try and improve care and staff numbers. So this is not the first time a recruitment drive has taken place. In 2007 the Labour Government was not concerned with recruiting Nurses as they were cutting back on staff and services. Mr John Denham was not concerned about then. I have written evidence that supports this, would you like to have copies Mr Denham? Scorpio1155

4:03pm Tue 15 Oct 13

loosehead says...

Just ask Denham about the Filipino's working as nurses & cleaning staff when Labour were in power & why did we need them?
Just ask Denham about the Filipino's working as nurses & cleaning staff when Labour were in power & why did we need them? loosehead

4:10pm Tue 15 Oct 13

Scorpio1155 says...

loosehead wrote:
Just ask Denham about the Filipino's working as nurses & cleaning staff when Labour were in power & why did we need them?
The reason for employing so many Filipino nurses was simply to drive down wages and get rid of highly and excellent qualified nurses. Two for the price of one was Labour aim.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Just ask Denham about the Filipino's working as nurses & cleaning staff when Labour were in power & why did we need them?[/p][/quote]The reason for employing so many Filipino nurses was simply to drive down wages and get rid of highly and excellent qualified nurses. Two for the price of one was Labour aim. Scorpio1155

4:46pm Tue 15 Oct 13

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Chepo labour 12 hours for nuts let the residents **** the bed at night!
Chepo labour 12 hours for nuts let the residents **** the bed at night! Fatty x Ford Worker

5:20pm Tue 15 Oct 13

Dan Soton says...

John whats the the Spanish for Crap ?


What a legacy.. 20yrs and we're ranked 4th Crappest” Town in the UK

the only ones I feel sorry for is the Spanish nurses



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never mind the Spanish nurses know exactly what John Denham's legacy is

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John whats the the Spanish for Crap ? What a legacy.. 20yrs and we're ranked 4th Crappest” Town in the UK the only ones I feel sorry for is the Spanish nurses .. never mind the Spanish nurses know exactly what John Denham's legacy is http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=RHo2S9LPn sI Dan Soton

7:58am Wed 16 Oct 13

tootle says...

House Sparrow wrote:
The number of nurses in training is determined by the Department of Health not the individual hospitals.
Nurses need degrees because they are doing some of the work that would have been done by doctors in the past.
The non-degree nursing is now provided by care assistants.
Exactly my point. How many young people would rate "care assistant" as a job. Just how many degree level nurses do we actually need? Do all the immigrant nurses(from all over the world) have degrees or do we accept their country's qualification systems? I don't know.
[quote][p][bold]House Sparrow[/bold] wrote: The number of nurses in training is determined by the Department of Health not the individual hospitals. Nurses need degrees because they are doing some of the work that would have been done by doctors in the past. The non-degree nursing is now provided by care assistants.[/p][/quote]Exactly my point. How many young people would rate "care assistant" as a job. Just how many degree level nurses do we actually need? Do all the immigrant nurses(from all over the world) have degrees or do we accept their country's qualification systems? I don't know. tootle

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