Statistics show Hampshire still benefits from links with sea

Daily Echo: Why business is booming at Southampton docks Why business is booming at Southampton docks

THE modern docks may be celebrating its 175th birthday - but people living around Southampton have been looking to the oceans for their fortune for hundreds, if not thousands, of years.

And according to new figures from the Office of National Statistics (ONS), the area still makes a good living from the sea.

For the data suggests the marine industry, made up of shipping, boatbuilding and leisure, generates at least £831m for the city.

Further economic data gives Southampton’s gross value added (GVA) as 18 per cent – when overall in Britain the average is just eight per cent.

This is largely thanks to its marine sector, which has kept well afloat during the worst economic storm in living memory.

Council leader Simon Letts says the findings show just how important the sea still is to the city.

He said: “We know how significant the marine sector is to our local economy, but these figures provide concrete evidence on exactly how critical it is, not just locally but nationally.

“And in fact we are competing not with Liverpool and Hull, but with international maritime hubs like Hamburg.

“Southampton has definitely positioned itself as an international centre for marine industry.”

His council administration’s support for this sector was a key factor in securing the City Deal status for Southampton and Portsmouth. A joint bid for the scheme allows local industrial investment to be funnelled by local political and economic leaders.

‘Major maritime city’ Most business leaders also agree that the marine sector is a dominant force. One of them, Sally Lynskey, chief executive of Business South, said the latest economic figures prove this.

She said: “We’ve known for a long time that the marine sector has played a major part in the prosperity of the region and these figures definitely endorse that.

“It’s important now for us to communicate these statistics to a wider audience so that Southampton is recognised on the national and international stage as a major maritime city and national marine hub.”

But the marine industry is not just a winner for Southampton.

Just this week Eastleigh MP Mike Thornton was saluting the importance of the marine industry to his constituency He was out and about to witness the work done by the 45 members of the British Marine Federation (BMF) within the area he represents.

He spent the day with members of Hamble Point’s MDL Marinas and also Bainbridge International in Hedge End – the longest-established sailcloth manufacturers in the world.

Mr Thornton said: “I know how lucky we are to have such a strong marine industry here, it’s vital for exports and jobs, and is a great advert for the whole of Hampshire.”

Gordon Coventry, head of sales and marketing at Bainbridge, said: “Many companies in our industry are relatively small, but collectively, we constitute a major sector of the local economy and it is important that those responsible for representing us at national level are well briefed on the issues of importance.”

An estimated 24,400 people are employed in more than 2,500 marine businesses.

Indeed, the Southampton city region is regarded as having one of the most important commercial, research and innovation clusters for the marine sector in the world.

Not only is its busy container port recognised as Europe’s most productive, its universities play a crucial part in training and research.

Presently under way in the University of Southampton is a ground-breaking enterprise with Lloyd’s Register.

This involves transforming the campus’s former Boldrewood building into a £116m research hub, employing 400 staff and providing world-class facilities for marine related research and development.

Over in the port’s National Oceanography Centre, a new multi-million-pound state-of-the-art ship, RRS Discovery, has just arrived, securing the city’s status as a world-class leader in ocean research.

And down on Southampton Water, it is full steam ahead. Today alone 18 merchant vessels are set to arrive at the Fawley oil refinery, Southampton docks and wharfs along the River Itchen.

These vessels carry sailors, passengers and cargo back and forth to ports all over Europe, Africa, China and the United States.

Its container port, the UK’s second busiest, last year handled more than 1.9 million containers and needs space to handle more ships. In August the already busy terminal won three of its transatlantic services operated by Hapag-Lloyd services from Thamesport in Kent.

With business buoyant, Associated British Ports is ploughing £150m into equipping berths 201 and 202 and dredging the channel so the port can accommodate the world’s biggest ships.

And today the Daily Echo can reveal that Midas Southern has won a £3.7m contract to extend a 14,000 sq m dockside warehouse facility, run by Import Services, by 6,000 sq m.

Port director Doug Morrison believes that the ONS figure of £831m could be a huge under-estimate.

Cruise ships alone generate a vast sum. A single visit is thought to make £2.5m for the local, regional and national economies with passengers and crew using hotels, bars and restaurants, taxi companies, trains and the city’s airport, and there is set to be more than 400 cruise calls in 2013.

Another generator of port traffic is the booming British motor industry, which is exporting through the port at such a rate that by next year it will be the number one vehicle exporter.

Mr Morrison said: “I think the future for Southampton is great and I see all our core business continuing to expand. I think the one thing we have to do in the Solent region is play to our strengths and advantages in manufacturing in the marine sector.”

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4:25pm Sun 3 Nov 13

loosehead says...

So when's Southy coming on here to say the Echo are wrong & these are the facts & history of the docks according to Southy?
So when's Southy coming on here to say the Echo are wrong & these are the facts & history of the docks according to Southy? loosehead
  • Score: 12

5:27pm Sun 3 Nov 13

Lone Ranger. says...

I expect our resident moaning Tory dinosaur will tell everyone how bad the docks are as the unions destroyed them with strikes ....................
........... ....................
.. in the 1970's
I expect our resident moaning Tory dinosaur will tell everyone how bad the docks are as the unions destroyed them with strikes .................... ........... .................... .. in the 1970's Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -9

7:23pm Sun 3 Nov 13

Torchie1 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
I expect our resident moaning Tory dinosaur will tell everyone how bad the docks are as the unions destroyed them with strikes ....................

........... ....................

.. in the 1970's
I wonder if anyone will mention how close the unions came to destroying Grangemouth in 2013?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: I expect our resident moaning Tory dinosaur will tell everyone how bad the docks are as the unions destroyed them with strikes .................... ........... .................... .. in the 1970's[/p][/quote]I wonder if anyone will mention how close the unions came to destroying Grangemouth in 2013? Torchie1
  • Score: 8

9:06pm Sun 3 Nov 13

loosehead says...

I wonder how a Labour leader set in motion a review into the Falkirk seat & then suddenly the witnesses withdrew their evidence so it got dropped only for new evidence to come forward that Unite fixed the candidate selection to get one of their people as the candidate a bit like the way they got Labour elected here?
Then for McCluskey to actively nearly see all those men lose their jobs in Grangemouth says all that needs to be said about Unions power doesn't it?
Get Marchwood Port bring more work to this city & the waterside & surely that's good for all of us isn't it?
I wonder how a Labour leader set in motion a review into the Falkirk seat & then suddenly the witnesses withdrew their evidence so it got dropped only for new evidence to come forward that Unite fixed the candidate selection to get one of their people as the candidate a bit like the way they got Labour elected here? Then for McCluskey to actively nearly see all those men lose their jobs in Grangemouth says all that needs to be said about Unions power doesn't it? Get Marchwood Port bring more work to this city & the waterside & surely that's good for all of us isn't it? loosehead
  • Score: 2

1:54am Mon 4 Nov 13

andysaints007 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
I expect our resident moaning Tory dinosaur will tell everyone how bad the docks are as the unions destroyed them with strikes ....................

........... ....................

.. in the 1970's
But then they wouldn't be booming now if they had kept all the lazy sh*ts that used to work there back then you numbnut.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: I expect our resident moaning Tory dinosaur will tell everyone how bad the docks are as the unions destroyed them with strikes .................... ........... .................... .. in the 1970's[/p][/quote]But then they wouldn't be booming now if they had kept all the lazy sh*ts that used to work there back then you numbnut. andysaints007
  • Score: 9

8:40am Mon 4 Nov 13

Lone Ranger. says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
I expect our resident moaning Tory dinosaur will tell everyone how bad the docks are as the unions destroyed them with strikes ....................

........... ....................

.. in the 1970's
Still .... looks like three other posters did it for him ....... How sad
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: I expect our resident moaning Tory dinosaur will tell everyone how bad the docks are as the unions destroyed them with strikes .................... ........... .................... .. in the 1970's[/p][/quote]Still .... looks like three other posters did it for him ....... How sad Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 0

11:54am Mon 4 Nov 13

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
So when's Southy coming on here to say the Echo are wrong & these are the facts & history of the docks according to Southy?
Loose reread what the ED as posted will you, it included areas outside of Southampton, like it say's 18 ships expected today, how many of them are for Southampton docks it self (only 4 there are 5 ships coming in for anchorage at Nab and St Helens that are included).
It also includes Boat building how many boat builders are there with in Southampton boundary.
Read it Loose, most of this money is not for Southampton, most is out side of Southampton and what money do come here do not stay, because of the type of port the money go's out nationally before ending up in off shore Tax free Banking, this all apply,s to the rest that is out side of Southampton.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So when's Southy coming on here to say the Echo are wrong & these are the facts & history of the docks according to Southy?[/p][/quote]Loose reread what the ED as posted will you, it included areas outside of Southampton, like it say's 18 ships expected today, how many of them are for Southampton docks it self (only 4 there are 5 ships coming in for anchorage at Nab and St Helens that are included). It also includes Boat building how many boat builders are there with in Southampton boundary. Read it Loose, most of this money is not for Southampton, most is out side of Southampton and what money do come here do not stay, because of the type of port the money go's out nationally before ending up in off shore Tax free Banking, this all apply,s to the rest that is out side of Southampton. southy
  • Score: -4

11:59am Mon 4 Nov 13

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
I expect our resident moaning Tory dinosaur will tell everyone how bad the docks are as the unions destroyed them with strikes ....................


........... ....................


.. in the 1970's
I wonder if anyone will mention how close the unions came to destroying Grangemouth in 2013?
Would you like to learn the real facts over Grangemouth, it was the Unions that saved Grangemouth they force the bosses to come to the table and to start spending money on maintenance instead of closing it down.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: I expect our resident moaning Tory dinosaur will tell everyone how bad the docks are as the unions destroyed them with strikes .................... ........... .................... .. in the 1970's[/p][/quote]I wonder if anyone will mention how close the unions came to destroying Grangemouth in 2013?[/p][/quote]Would you like to learn the real facts over Grangemouth, it was the Unions that saved Grangemouth they force the bosses to come to the table and to start spending money on maintenance instead of closing it down. southy
  • Score: -4

12:31pm Mon 4 Nov 13

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
I expect our resident moaning Tory dinosaur will tell everyone how bad the docks are as the unions destroyed them with strikes ....................



........... ....................



.. in the 1970's
I wonder if anyone will mention how close the unions came to destroying Grangemouth in 2013?
Would you like to learn the real facts over Grangemouth, it was the Unions that saved Grangemouth they force the bosses to come to the table and to start spending money on maintenance instead of closing it down.
Really? A Unite official was more interested in playing politics & had action taken against him by the management this was the basis for Unite to bring out the workers on strike which nearly saw the closure of the plant.
McCluskey up until the last minute was trying to dictate to the owners but it never worked & either the workers went back to work & took what was on offer by the management or the plant shut so how's that Unite saving the plant?
Here are docks were in trouble with strikes for everything they even went on strike to get all work across the city centre as dock work so only a dockie could do a lot of the jobs,
Before you call me a liar or say I've got it wrong My Uncles(great) & Uncle was Tommy White who with his son were dockies.
Southy why oh why when your party the TUSC are in direct competition with the Labour party do you come to their defence so often & with facts that are completely wrong?
As for the resident left wing nut saying about three posters against me BIG DEAL! so three left wing idiots don't like reading the truth about their beloved Labour & Unite!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: I expect our resident moaning Tory dinosaur will tell everyone how bad the docks are as the unions destroyed them with strikes .................... ........... .................... .. in the 1970's[/p][/quote]I wonder if anyone will mention how close the unions came to destroying Grangemouth in 2013?[/p][/quote]Would you like to learn the real facts over Grangemouth, it was the Unions that saved Grangemouth they force the bosses to come to the table and to start spending money on maintenance instead of closing it down.[/p][/quote]Really? A Unite official was more interested in playing politics & had action taken against him by the management this was the basis for Unite to bring out the workers on strike which nearly saw the closure of the plant. McCluskey up until the last minute was trying to dictate to the owners but it never worked & either the workers went back to work & took what was on offer by the management or the plant shut so how's that Unite saving the plant? Here are docks were in trouble with strikes for everything they even went on strike to get all work across the city centre as dock work so only a dockie could do a lot of the jobs, Before you call me a liar or say I've got it wrong My Uncles(great) & Uncle was Tommy White who with his son were dockies. Southy why oh why when your party the TUSC are in direct competition with the Labour party do you come to their defence so often & with facts that are completely wrong? As for the resident left wing nut saying about three posters against me BIG DEAL! so three left wing idiots don't like reading the truth about their beloved Labour & Unite! loosehead
  • Score: 4

1:02pm Mon 4 Nov 13

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
I expect our resident moaning Tory dinosaur will tell everyone how bad the docks are as the unions destroyed them with strikes ....................




........... ....................




.. in the 1970's
I wonder if anyone will mention how close the unions came to destroying Grangemouth in 2013?
Would you like to learn the real facts over Grangemouth, it was the Unions that saved Grangemouth they force the bosses to come to the table and to start spending money on maintenance instead of closing it down.
Really? A Unite official was more interested in playing politics & had action taken against him by the management this was the basis for Unite to bring out the workers on strike which nearly saw the closure of the plant.
McCluskey up until the last minute was trying to dictate to the owners but it never worked & either the workers went back to work & took what was on offer by the management or the plant shut so how's that Unite saving the plant?
Here are docks were in trouble with strikes for everything they even went on strike to get all work across the city centre as dock work so only a dockie could do a lot of the jobs,
Before you call me a liar or say I've got it wrong My Uncles(great) & Uncle was Tommy White who with his son were dockies.
Southy why oh why when your party the TUSC are in direct competition with the Labour party do you come to their defence so often & with facts that are completely wrong?
As for the resident left wing nut saying about three posters against me BIG DEAL! so three left wing idiots don't like reading the truth about their beloved Labour & Unite!
Well Tory nut ........ Dont kid yourself that i was posting about you ... I was not ..... You got it wrong (Surprise Surprise).
.
The moaning Tory dinosaur knows who he is ........
.
Dont worry i have other words for you .... like Liar, Hypocrite ....... So when i use them you will know exactly who imean
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: I expect our resident moaning Tory dinosaur will tell everyone how bad the docks are as the unions destroyed them with strikes .................... ........... .................... .. in the 1970's[/p][/quote]I wonder if anyone will mention how close the unions came to destroying Grangemouth in 2013?[/p][/quote]Would you like to learn the real facts over Grangemouth, it was the Unions that saved Grangemouth they force the bosses to come to the table and to start spending money on maintenance instead of closing it down.[/p][/quote]Really? A Unite official was more interested in playing politics & had action taken against him by the management this was the basis for Unite to bring out the workers on strike which nearly saw the closure of the plant. McCluskey up until the last minute was trying to dictate to the owners but it never worked & either the workers went back to work & took what was on offer by the management or the plant shut so how's that Unite saving the plant? Here are docks were in trouble with strikes for everything they even went on strike to get all work across the city centre as dock work so only a dockie could do a lot of the jobs, Before you call me a liar or say I've got it wrong My Uncles(great) & Uncle was Tommy White who with his son were dockies. Southy why oh why when your party the TUSC are in direct competition with the Labour party do you come to their defence so often & with facts that are completely wrong? As for the resident left wing nut saying about three posters against me BIG DEAL! so three left wing idiots don't like reading the truth about their beloved Labour & Unite![/p][/quote]Well Tory nut ........ Dont kid yourself that i was posting about you ... I was not ..... You got it wrong (Surprise Surprise). . The moaning Tory dinosaur knows who he is ........ . Dont worry i have other words for you .... like Liar, Hypocrite ....... So when i use them you will know exactly who imean Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -3

1:02pm Mon 4 Nov 13

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
I expect our resident moaning Tory dinosaur will tell everyone how bad the docks are as the unions destroyed them with strikes ....................




........... ....................




.. in the 1970's
I wonder if anyone will mention how close the unions came to destroying Grangemouth in 2013?
Would you like to learn the real facts over Grangemouth, it was the Unions that saved Grangemouth they force the bosses to come to the table and to start spending money on maintenance instead of closing it down.
Really? A Unite official was more interested in playing politics & had action taken against him by the management this was the basis for Unite to bring out the workers on strike which nearly saw the closure of the plant.
McCluskey up until the last minute was trying to dictate to the owners but it never worked & either the workers went back to work & took what was on offer by the management or the plant shut so how's that Unite saving the plant?
Here are docks were in trouble with strikes for everything they even went on strike to get all work across the city centre as dock work so only a dockie could do a lot of the jobs,
Before you call me a liar or say I've got it wrong My Uncles(great) & Uncle was Tommy White who with his son were dockies.
Southy why oh why when your party the TUSC are in direct competition with the Labour party do you come to their defence so often & with facts that are completely wrong?
As for the resident left wing nut saying about three posters against me BIG DEAL! so three left wing idiots don't like reading the truth about their beloved Labour & Unite!
Learn the real facts Loose, The strike happen because the bosses wanted to close that plant down than to spend money that they agreed to when taking over the plant in the first place, the First 5 year maintenance program was paid for out of the Tax payers money, and they wanted the same again is came about before any talks started in the latest rounds, every thing else that came after was just an excuse to try and close the plant down than to pay out for maintenance, The plant was only running at a lost because it was long over due for shutdown.
This Manchester Born Man is very Greedy and if he can't get is own way, he will asset strip and then close down he done it before in Europe.
I don't come in defense of Labour I stop doing that over 20 years ago, they no longer represents the workers any more, they represent the wealthy like the Torys and all other Right wing Groups, just that its a different kind of wealthy lot. but they all need the workers vote so they all come out with the false propaganda to get the workers vote, What I will give Labour they are closer to the truth but will not do any thing to change things.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: I expect our resident moaning Tory dinosaur will tell everyone how bad the docks are as the unions destroyed them with strikes .................... ........... .................... .. in the 1970's[/p][/quote]I wonder if anyone will mention how close the unions came to destroying Grangemouth in 2013?[/p][/quote]Would you like to learn the real facts over Grangemouth, it was the Unions that saved Grangemouth they force the bosses to come to the table and to start spending money on maintenance instead of closing it down.[/p][/quote]Really? A Unite official was more interested in playing politics & had action taken against him by the management this was the basis for Unite to bring out the workers on strike which nearly saw the closure of the plant. McCluskey up until the last minute was trying to dictate to the owners but it never worked & either the workers went back to work & took what was on offer by the management or the plant shut so how's that Unite saving the plant? Here are docks were in trouble with strikes for everything they even went on strike to get all work across the city centre as dock work so only a dockie could do a lot of the jobs, Before you call me a liar or say I've got it wrong My Uncles(great) & Uncle was Tommy White who with his son were dockies. Southy why oh why when your party the TUSC are in direct competition with the Labour party do you come to their defence so often & with facts that are completely wrong? As for the resident left wing nut saying about three posters against me BIG DEAL! so three left wing idiots don't like reading the truth about their beloved Labour & Unite![/p][/quote]Learn the real facts Loose, The strike happen because the bosses wanted to close that plant down than to spend money that they agreed to when taking over the plant in the first place, the First 5 year maintenance program was paid for out of the Tax payers money, and they wanted the same again is came about before any talks started in the latest rounds, every thing else that came after was just an excuse to try and close the plant down than to pay out for maintenance, The plant was only running at a lost because it was long over due for shutdown. This Manchester Born Man is very Greedy and if he can't get is own way, he will asset strip and then close down he done it before in Europe. I don't come in defense of Labour I stop doing that over 20 years ago, they no longer represents the workers any more, they represent the wealthy like the Torys and all other Right wing Groups, just that its a different kind of wealthy lot. but they all need the workers vote so they all come out with the false propaganda to get the workers vote, What I will give Labour they are closer to the truth but will not do any thing to change things. southy
  • Score: -5

1:30pm Mon 4 Nov 13

phil maccavity says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
I expect our resident moaning Tory dinosaur will tell everyone how bad the docks are as the unions destroyed them with strikes ....................





........... ....................





.. in the 1970's
I wonder if anyone will mention how close the unions came to destroying Grangemouth in 2013?
Would you like to learn the real facts over Grangemouth, it was the Unions that saved Grangemouth they force the bosses to come to the table and to start spending money on maintenance instead of closing it down.
Really? A Unite official was more interested in playing politics & had action taken against him by the management this was the basis for Unite to bring out the workers on strike which nearly saw the closure of the plant.
McCluskey up until the last minute was trying to dictate to the owners but it never worked & either the workers went back to work & took what was on offer by the management or the plant shut so how's that Unite saving the plant?
Here are docks were in trouble with strikes for everything they even went on strike to get all work across the city centre as dock work so only a dockie could do a lot of the jobs,
Before you call me a liar or say I've got it wrong My Uncles(great) & Uncle was Tommy White who with his son were dockies.
Southy why oh why when your party the TUSC are in direct competition with the Labour party do you come to their defence so often & with facts that are completely wrong?
As for the resident left wing nut saying about three posters against me BIG DEAL! so three left wing idiots don't like reading the truth about their beloved Labour & Unite!
Learn the real facts Loose, The strike happen because the bosses wanted to close that plant down than to spend money that they agreed to when taking over the plant in the first place, the First 5 year maintenance program was paid for out of the Tax payers money, and they wanted the same again is came about before any talks started in the latest rounds, every thing else that came after was just an excuse to try and close the plant down than to pay out for maintenance, The plant was only running at a lost because it was long over due for shutdown.
This Manchester Born Man is very Greedy and if he can't get is own way, he will asset strip and then close down he done it before in Europe.
I don't come in defense of Labour I stop doing that over 20 years ago, they no longer represents the workers any more, they represent the wealthy like the Torys and all other Right wing Groups, just that its a different kind of wealthy lot. but they all need the workers vote so they all come out with the false propaganda to get the workers vote, What I will give Labour they are closer to the truth but will not do any thing to change things.
Southy
I would be interested to hear your definition of worker. Is it:
1.Someone who exerts energy to some general purpose?
2.Someone who primarily uses physical effort?
3. Someone who primarily uses mental effort?
4. Someone who produces art work in a Foundry?
5. Someone who used to work but now doesn't due to retirement/unemploym
ent etc?
For example is a plumber or electrician or builder who earns say £80k a year a worker or one of the 'wealthy class'
Is a Union Official on +£100k a year a 'Worker' or a 'Boss'?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: I expect our resident moaning Tory dinosaur will tell everyone how bad the docks are as the unions destroyed them with strikes .................... ........... .................... .. in the 1970's[/p][/quote]I wonder if anyone will mention how close the unions came to destroying Grangemouth in 2013?[/p][/quote]Would you like to learn the real facts over Grangemouth, it was the Unions that saved Grangemouth they force the bosses to come to the table and to start spending money on maintenance instead of closing it down.[/p][/quote]Really? A Unite official was more interested in playing politics & had action taken against him by the management this was the basis for Unite to bring out the workers on strike which nearly saw the closure of the plant. McCluskey up until the last minute was trying to dictate to the owners but it never worked & either the workers went back to work & took what was on offer by the management or the plant shut so how's that Unite saving the plant? Here are docks were in trouble with strikes for everything they even went on strike to get all work across the city centre as dock work so only a dockie could do a lot of the jobs, Before you call me a liar or say I've got it wrong My Uncles(great) & Uncle was Tommy White who with his son were dockies. Southy why oh why when your party the TUSC are in direct competition with the Labour party do you come to their defence so often & with facts that are completely wrong? As for the resident left wing nut saying about three posters against me BIG DEAL! so three left wing idiots don't like reading the truth about their beloved Labour & Unite![/p][/quote]Learn the real facts Loose, The strike happen because the bosses wanted to close that plant down than to spend money that they agreed to when taking over the plant in the first place, the First 5 year maintenance program was paid for out of the Tax payers money, and they wanted the same again is came about before any talks started in the latest rounds, every thing else that came after was just an excuse to try and close the plant down than to pay out for maintenance, The plant was only running at a lost because it was long over due for shutdown. This Manchester Born Man is very Greedy and if he can't get is own way, he will asset strip and then close down he done it before in Europe. I don't come in defense of Labour I stop doing that over 20 years ago, they no longer represents the workers any more, they represent the wealthy like the Torys and all other Right wing Groups, just that its a different kind of wealthy lot. but they all need the workers vote so they all come out with the false propaganda to get the workers vote, What I will give Labour they are closer to the truth but will not do any thing to change things.[/p][/quote]Southy I would be interested to hear your definition of worker. Is it: 1.Someone who exerts energy to some general purpose? 2.Someone who primarily uses physical effort? 3. Someone who primarily uses mental effort? 4. Someone who produces art work in a Foundry? 5. Someone who used to work but now doesn't due to retirement/unemploym ent etc? For example is a plumber or electrician or builder who earns say £80k a year a worker or one of the 'wealthy class' Is a Union Official on +£100k a year a 'Worker' or a 'Boss'? phil maccavity
  • Score: 2

3:09pm Mon 4 Nov 13

Shoong says...

phil maccavity wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
I expect our resident moaning Tory dinosaur will tell everyone how bad the docks are as the unions destroyed them with strikes ....................






........... ....................






.. in the 1970's
I wonder if anyone will mention how close the unions came to destroying Grangemouth in 2013?
Would you like to learn the real facts over Grangemouth, it was the Unions that saved Grangemouth they force the bosses to come to the table and to start spending money on maintenance instead of closing it down.
Really? A Unite official was more interested in playing politics & had action taken against him by the management this was the basis for Unite to bring out the workers on strike which nearly saw the closure of the plant.
McCluskey up until the last minute was trying to dictate to the owners but it never worked & either the workers went back to work & took what was on offer by the management or the plant shut so how's that Unite saving the plant?
Here are docks were in trouble with strikes for everything they even went on strike to get all work across the city centre as dock work so only a dockie could do a lot of the jobs,
Before you call me a liar or say I've got it wrong My Uncles(great) & Uncle was Tommy White who with his son were dockies.
Southy why oh why when your party the TUSC are in direct competition with the Labour party do you come to their defence so often & with facts that are completely wrong?
As for the resident left wing nut saying about three posters against me BIG DEAL! so three left wing idiots don't like reading the truth about their beloved Labour & Unite!
Learn the real facts Loose, The strike happen because the bosses wanted to close that plant down than to spend money that they agreed to when taking over the plant in the first place, the First 5 year maintenance program was paid for out of the Tax payers money, and they wanted the same again is came about before any talks started in the latest rounds, every thing else that came after was just an excuse to try and close the plant down than to pay out for maintenance, The plant was only running at a lost because it was long over due for shutdown.
This Manchester Born Man is very Greedy and if he can't get is own way, he will asset strip and then close down he done it before in Europe.
I don't come in defense of Labour I stop doing that over 20 years ago, they no longer represents the workers any more, they represent the wealthy like the Torys and all other Right wing Groups, just that its a different kind of wealthy lot. but they all need the workers vote so they all come out with the false propaganda to get the workers vote, What I will give Labour they are closer to the truth but will not do any thing to change things.
Southy
I would be interested to hear your definition of worker. Is it:
1.Someone who exerts energy to some general purpose?
2.Someone who primarily uses physical effort?
3. Someone who primarily uses mental effort?
4. Someone who produces art work in a Foundry?
5. Someone who used to work but now doesn't due to retirement/unemploym

ent etc?
For example is a plumber or electrician or builder who earns say £80k a year a worker or one of the 'wealthy class'
Is a Union Official on +£100k a year a 'Worker' or a 'Boss'?
Unfortunately your wasting your time, Peter isn't going to be able to answer questions he really doesn't understand, he's really just the naughty out of control unwanted red headed step child of the TUSC.

He tried the capitalist way once and blew it: so therefore it's everyone else's fault.

You'd be better off consulting my sister's kids.
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: I expect our resident moaning Tory dinosaur will tell everyone how bad the docks are as the unions destroyed them with strikes .................... ........... .................... .. in the 1970's[/p][/quote]I wonder if anyone will mention how close the unions came to destroying Grangemouth in 2013?[/p][/quote]Would you like to learn the real facts over Grangemouth, it was the Unions that saved Grangemouth they force the bosses to come to the table and to start spending money on maintenance instead of closing it down.[/p][/quote]Really? A Unite official was more interested in playing politics & had action taken against him by the management this was the basis for Unite to bring out the workers on strike which nearly saw the closure of the plant. McCluskey up until the last minute was trying to dictate to the owners but it never worked & either the workers went back to work & took what was on offer by the management or the plant shut so how's that Unite saving the plant? Here are docks were in trouble with strikes for everything they even went on strike to get all work across the city centre as dock work so only a dockie could do a lot of the jobs, Before you call me a liar or say I've got it wrong My Uncles(great) & Uncle was Tommy White who with his son were dockies. Southy why oh why when your party the TUSC are in direct competition with the Labour party do you come to their defence so often & with facts that are completely wrong? As for the resident left wing nut saying about three posters against me BIG DEAL! so three left wing idiots don't like reading the truth about their beloved Labour & Unite![/p][/quote]Learn the real facts Loose, The strike happen because the bosses wanted to close that plant down than to spend money that they agreed to when taking over the plant in the first place, the First 5 year maintenance program was paid for out of the Tax payers money, and they wanted the same again is came about before any talks started in the latest rounds, every thing else that came after was just an excuse to try and close the plant down than to pay out for maintenance, The plant was only running at a lost because it was long over due for shutdown. This Manchester Born Man is very Greedy and if he can't get is own way, he will asset strip and then close down he done it before in Europe. I don't come in defense of Labour I stop doing that over 20 years ago, they no longer represents the workers any more, they represent the wealthy like the Torys and all other Right wing Groups, just that its a different kind of wealthy lot. but they all need the workers vote so they all come out with the false propaganda to get the workers vote, What I will give Labour they are closer to the truth but will not do any thing to change things.[/p][/quote]Southy I would be interested to hear your definition of worker. Is it: 1.Someone who exerts energy to some general purpose? 2.Someone who primarily uses physical effort? 3. Someone who primarily uses mental effort? 4. Someone who produces art work in a Foundry? 5. Someone who used to work but now doesn't due to retirement/unemploym ent etc? For example is a plumber or electrician or builder who earns say £80k a year a worker or one of the 'wealthy class' Is a Union Official on +£100k a year a 'Worker' or a 'Boss'?[/p][/quote]Unfortunately your wasting your time, Peter isn't going to be able to answer questions he really doesn't understand, he's really just the naughty out of control unwanted red headed step child of the TUSC. He tried the capitalist way once and blew it: so therefore it's everyone else's fault. You'd be better off consulting my sister's kids. Shoong
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loosehead says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
I expect our resident moaning Tory dinosaur will tell everyone how bad the docks are as the unions destroyed them with strikes ....................





........... ....................





.. in the 1970's
I wonder if anyone will mention how close the unions came to destroying Grangemouth in 2013?
Would you like to learn the real facts over Grangemouth, it was the Unions that saved Grangemouth they force the bosses to come to the table and to start spending money on maintenance instead of closing it down.
Really? A Unite official was more interested in playing politics & had action taken against him by the management this was the basis for Unite to bring out the workers on strike which nearly saw the closure of the plant.
McCluskey up until the last minute was trying to dictate to the owners but it never worked & either the workers went back to work & took what was on offer by the management or the plant shut so how's that Unite saving the plant?
Here are docks were in trouble with strikes for everything they even went on strike to get all work across the city centre as dock work so only a dockie could do a lot of the jobs,
Before you call me a liar or say I've got it wrong My Uncles(great) & Uncle was Tommy White who with his son were dockies.
Southy why oh why when your party the TUSC are in direct competition with the Labour party do you come to their defence so often & with facts that are completely wrong?
As for the resident left wing nut saying about three posters against me BIG DEAL! so three left wing idiots don't like reading the truth about their beloved Labour & Unite!
Learn the real facts Loose, The strike happen because the bosses wanted to close that plant down than to spend money that they agreed to when taking over the plant in the first place, the First 5 year maintenance program was paid for out of the Tax payers money, and they wanted the same again is came about before any talks started in the latest rounds, every thing else that came after was just an excuse to try and close the plant down than to pay out for maintenance, The plant was only running at a lost because it was long over due for shutdown.
This Manchester Born Man is very Greedy and if he can't get is own way, he will asset strip and then close down he done it before in Europe.
I don't come in defense of Labour I stop doing that over 20 years ago, they no longer represents the workers any more, they represent the wealthy like the Torys and all other Right wing Groups, just that its a different kind of wealthy lot. but they all need the workers vote so they all come out with the false propaganda to get the workers vote, What I will give Labour they are closer to the truth but will not do any thing to change things.
once again the facts according to Southy. the guy who sparked all it off was also a Labour Party member for Falkirk & a Unite rep.
Ask your mate Ed Milliband why he's now restarted the investigation into Falkirk & Unites fixing of the candidates list?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: I expect our resident moaning Tory dinosaur will tell everyone how bad the docks are as the unions destroyed them with strikes .................... ........... .................... .. in the 1970's[/p][/quote]I wonder if anyone will mention how close the unions came to destroying Grangemouth in 2013?[/p][/quote]Would you like to learn the real facts over Grangemouth, it was the Unions that saved Grangemouth they force the bosses to come to the table and to start spending money on maintenance instead of closing it down.[/p][/quote]Really? A Unite official was more interested in playing politics & had action taken against him by the management this was the basis for Unite to bring out the workers on strike which nearly saw the closure of the plant. McCluskey up until the last minute was trying to dictate to the owners but it never worked & either the workers went back to work & took what was on offer by the management or the plant shut so how's that Unite saving the plant? Here are docks were in trouble with strikes for everything they even went on strike to get all work across the city centre as dock work so only a dockie could do a lot of the jobs, Before you call me a liar or say I've got it wrong My Uncles(great) & Uncle was Tommy White who with his son were dockies. Southy why oh why when your party the TUSC are in direct competition with the Labour party do you come to their defence so often & with facts that are completely wrong? As for the resident left wing nut saying about three posters against me BIG DEAL! so three left wing idiots don't like reading the truth about their beloved Labour & Unite![/p][/quote]Learn the real facts Loose, The strike happen because the bosses wanted to close that plant down than to spend money that they agreed to when taking over the plant in the first place, the First 5 year maintenance program was paid for out of the Tax payers money, and they wanted the same again is came about before any talks started in the latest rounds, every thing else that came after was just an excuse to try and close the plant down than to pay out for maintenance, The plant was only running at a lost because it was long over due for shutdown. This Manchester Born Man is very Greedy and if he can't get is own way, he will asset strip and then close down he done it before in Europe. I don't come in defense of Labour I stop doing that over 20 years ago, they no longer represents the workers any more, they represent the wealthy like the Torys and all other Right wing Groups, just that its a different kind of wealthy lot. but they all need the workers vote so they all come out with the false propaganda to get the workers vote, What I will give Labour they are closer to the truth but will not do any thing to change things.[/p][/quote]once again the facts according to Southy. the guy who sparked all it off was also a Labour Party member for Falkirk & a Unite rep. Ask your mate Ed Milliband why he's now restarted the investigation into Falkirk & Unites fixing of the candidates list? loosehead
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