Southampton doctor urges NHS staff to have flu vaccine to avoid risking lives of frail patients

Daily Echo: NHS staff who refuse vaccine "risk patient lives" NHS staff who refuse vaccine "risk patient lives"

NHS staff who refuse to have a flu vaccine are risking the lives of chronically ill and frail patients, a leading Southampton doctor has warned.

Dr Ben Marshall, a consultant respiratory physician at Southampton General Hospital, said the failure of more than half of all frontline staff in England to take up the vaccination was ''unacceptable''.

''Influenza can be a troublesome infection for the average healthy person but it can be life-threatening for patients with chronic illnesses, immunodeficiency or frail conditions,'' he explained.

''Therefore, it is really crucial staff across the NHS have the flu vaccine to protect themselves and their colleagues, who would take the brunt of their absence from work if they contracted flu but, more importantly, to protect their patients who might not be able to withstand the effects of the virus.''

Dr Marshall spoke out as University Hospital Southampton NHS Foundation Trust, which runs the hospital, continued its drive to increase the number of staff who receive the vaccination, where currently 43% of frontline staff are protected.

''With all eyes firmly fixed on care, compassion and consideration in the NHS right now, I find it really quite shocking and frankly unacceptable for staff to avoid vaccination simply because they do not want it - that must change,'' he said.

''It is for that reason I am working hard to increase take-up in Southampton and, hopefully, push other trusts to follow our lead and bring senior clinicians on board to instil in their staff just how important vaccination is.''

Dr Marshall, who has recorded a video aimed at encouraging staff to make the time to have a vaccine, added: ''I ask all clinical staff to take up the vaccination. It is safe, it is recommended by the Department of Health and I and all of my consultant colleagues have had it with no ill-effects.''

In England last winter 45.6% of frontline NHS staff received the seasonal influenza vaccine, according to Public Health England.

This was an improvement on the 2011/12 winter where 44.6% had the jab.

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11:37am Mon 2 Dec 13

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

please read the book Dr Marys Monkey ,tells you all you need to know about the evil charlatans pushing vaccines.
please read the book Dr Marys Monkey ,tells you all you need to know about the evil charlatans pushing vaccines. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.

12:15pm Mon 2 Dec 13

hulla baloo says...

Forced medication? I can understand the reasoning, but does not make sense when patients wander the corridors, go outside with their equipment , nurses travel to and from hospital on public transport in their uniforms. Thats without the visitors and their hygiene.
Forced medication? I can understand the reasoning, but does not make sense when patients wander the corridors, go outside with their equipment , nurses travel to and from hospital on public transport in their uniforms. Thats without the visitors and their hygiene. hulla baloo

1:20pm Mon 2 Dec 13

southy says...

Big problem for this vaccine to work then you will also need to vaccinate patients and visitors also.
To be honest about it all flu's and colds are better not to vaccinate against, you be better to catch the cold or flu and let your body build up a immune to the cold or flu
Big problem for this vaccine to work then you will also need to vaccinate patients and visitors also. To be honest about it all flu's and colds are better not to vaccinate against, you be better to catch the cold or flu and let your body build up a immune to the cold or flu southy

2:38pm Mon 2 Dec 13

johnm says...

southy wrote:
Big problem for this vaccine to work then you will also need to vaccinate patients and visitors also.
To be honest about it all flu's and colds are better not to vaccinate against, you be better to catch the cold or flu and let your body build up a immune to the cold or flu
What a stupid statement, I had the Asian flu (h2n2) in 1957 was 9 years old and it **** near killed me.
A vaccine could have protected me but it wasn't available at the time, so surely the minimum risks associated with vaccines are perhap acceptable.
People say they have the flu when in reality it's juust a cold, If you have influenza it's not a case of not wanting to get out of bed, but nut being able to get out.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Big problem for this vaccine to work then you will also need to vaccinate patients and visitors also. To be honest about it all flu's and colds are better not to vaccinate against, you be better to catch the cold or flu and let your body build up a immune to the cold or flu[/p][/quote]What a stupid statement, I had the Asian flu (h2n2) in 1957 was 9 years old and it **** near killed me. A vaccine could have protected me but it wasn't available at the time, so surely the minimum risks associated with vaccines are perhap acceptable. People say they have the flu when in reality it's juust a cold, If you have influenza it's not a case of not wanting to get out of bed, but nut being able to get out. johnm

4:35pm Mon 2 Dec 13

cantthinkofone says...

southy wrote:
Big problem for this vaccine to work then you will also need to vaccinate patients and visitors also.
To be honest about it all flu's and colds are better not to vaccinate against, you be better to catch the cold or flu and let your body build up a immune to the cold or flu
Oh dear southy...

Look, meta-analyses are quite clear on this one:

The vaccine has no measurable benefit to healthy adults.

The vaccine measurably protect those in vulnerable groups - eg the frail, elderly, diabetics, people with HIV, etc.

If people in these groups catch influenza then they may well die because of it. So it therefore makes absolute sense to protect them, and front-line healthcare workers who may otherwise transmit it to them even if not symptomatic themselves.

Why on earth you've mentioned the common cold I have no idea. It's an entirely different type of micro-organism, and its effects are in no way comparable to influenza. Influenza is a serious illness, and no one who's ever had it properly would mislabel a bad cold as 'flu' ever again.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Big problem for this vaccine to work then you will also need to vaccinate patients and visitors also. To be honest about it all flu's and colds are better not to vaccinate against, you be better to catch the cold or flu and let your body build up a immune to the cold or flu[/p][/quote]Oh dear southy... Look, meta-analyses are quite clear on this one: The vaccine has no measurable benefit to healthy adults. The vaccine measurably protect those in vulnerable groups - eg the frail, elderly, diabetics, people with HIV, etc. If people in these groups catch influenza then they may well die because of it. So it therefore makes absolute sense to protect them, and front-line healthcare workers who may otherwise transmit it to them even if not symptomatic themselves. Why on earth you've mentioned the common cold I have no idea. It's an entirely different type of micro-organism, and its effects are in no way comparable to influenza. Influenza is a serious illness, and no one who's ever had it properly would mislabel a bad cold as 'flu' ever again. cantthinkofone

4:36pm Mon 2 Dec 13

cantthinkofone says...

hulla baloo wrote:
Forced medication? I can understand the reasoning, but does not make sense when patients wander the corridors, go outside with their equipment , nurses travel to and from hospital on public transport in their uniforms. Thats without the visitors and their hygiene.
I can't really work out what you're saying here. How are any of those things relevant to the decision whether to vaccinate or not?
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Forced medication? I can understand the reasoning, but does not make sense when patients wander the corridors, go outside with their equipment , nurses travel to and from hospital on public transport in their uniforms. Thats without the visitors and their hygiene.[/p][/quote]I can't really work out what you're saying here. How are any of those things relevant to the decision whether to vaccinate or not? cantthinkofone

5:05pm Mon 2 Dec 13

J.P.M... says...

southy wrote:
Big problem for this vaccine to work then you will also need to vaccinate patients and visitors also.
To be honest about it all flu's and colds are better not to vaccinate against, you be better to catch the cold or flu and let your body build up a immune to the cold or flu
Dime Bar
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Big problem for this vaccine to work then you will also need to vaccinate patients and visitors also. To be honest about it all flu's and colds are better not to vaccinate against, you be better to catch the cold or flu and let your body build up a immune to the cold or flu[/p][/quote]Dime Bar J.P.M...

11:33pm Mon 2 Dec 13

FedupGP says...

While I truly believe that the flu vaccine is to be encouraged, we have to remember that the second we offer a flu vaccine to an individual they become our patient. If a member of staff accepts a flu vaccine of their own free will after being given a truthful summary of the facts then this is fine - however - to coerce them with the type of emotional black mail Dr Marshall has mentioned is simply professionally unacceptable. Dr Marshall might want to consider the GMC guidance on respecting patients rights to reach a decision. I am a local GP. I support flu vaccine. I do not support coercing patients or staff into treatment for the benefit of others.
While I truly believe that the flu vaccine is to be encouraged, we have to remember that the second we offer a flu vaccine to an individual they become our patient. If a member of staff accepts a flu vaccine of their own free will after being given a truthful summary of the facts then this is fine - however - to coerce them with the type of emotional black mail Dr Marshall has mentioned is simply professionally unacceptable. Dr Marshall might want to consider the GMC guidance on respecting patients rights to reach a decision. I am a local GP. I support flu vaccine. I do not support coercing patients or staff into treatment for the benefit of others. FedupGP

7:40am Tue 3 Dec 13

stay local says...

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
please read the book Dr Marys Monkey ,tells you all you need to know about the evil charlatans pushing vaccines.
Not sure about the links between the virus and JFK's assassination. He is a link to science based medicine which suggests you are quoting from a known source of conspiracy theorists.

http://www.scienceba
sedmedicine.org/anot
her-antivaccine-zomb
ie-meme-sv40-and-can
cer-and-polio-oh-my/
[quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: please read the book Dr Marys Monkey ,tells you all you need to know about the evil charlatans pushing vaccines.[/p][/quote]Not sure about the links between the virus and JFK's assassination. He is a link to science based medicine which suggests you are quoting from a known source of conspiracy theorists. http://www.scienceba sedmedicine.org/anot her-antivaccine-zomb ie-meme-sv40-and-can cer-and-polio-oh-my/ stay local

8:10am Tue 3 Dec 13

skeptik says...

My doc said two hundred years ago we used to 'bleed patients' in the surgery, when we are privatized we will send the bills by post!
My doc said two hundred years ago we used to 'bleed patients' in the surgery, when we are privatized we will send the bills by post! skeptik

11:33am Tue 3 Dec 13

southy says...

Flu,s and colds will be different all the time, your body immune system should cope with the yearly different colds and flu,s, taking vaccine will mean your body immune system not building up its own anti-body,s to fight the cold or flu and starts to work less efficiently than it should do, so your body becomes weaker.
By the way the last time I caught a cold or Flu that was really bad was over 13 years ago
Flu,s and colds will be different all the time, your body immune system should cope with the yearly different colds and flu,s, taking vaccine will mean your body immune system not building up its own anti-body,s to fight the cold or flu and starts to work less efficiently than it should do, so your body becomes weaker. By the way the last time I caught a cold or Flu that was really bad was over 13 years ago southy

4:16pm Wed 4 Dec 13

cantthinkofone says...

southy wrote:
Flu,s and colds will be different all the time, your body immune system should cope with the yearly different colds and flu,s, taking vaccine will mean your body immune system not building up its own anti-body,s to fight the cold or flu and starts to work less efficiently than it should do, so your body becomes weaker.
By the way the last time I caught a cold or Flu that was really bad was over 13 years ago
Do you EVER read anything anyone else posts?

FFS boy. You are NOT more informed and intelligent than those at the Cochrane Library.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Flu,s and colds will be different all the time, your body immune system should cope with the yearly different colds and flu,s, taking vaccine will mean your body immune system not building up its own anti-body,s to fight the cold or flu and starts to work less efficiently than it should do, so your body becomes weaker. By the way the last time I caught a cold or Flu that was really bad was over 13 years ago[/p][/quote]Do you EVER read anything anyone else posts? FFS boy. You are NOT more informed and intelligent than those at the Cochrane Library. cantthinkofone

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