Government scheme claims to have "turned around" lives of 283 families in Southampton

Daily Echo: Only nine people in 'troubled families' were found work Only nine people in 'troubled families' were found work

JUST nine people in 'troubled families' in Southampton have been found work from a much-hyped Government scheme.

The programme has been hailed as a success by Local Government Secretary Eric Pickles, who said the lives of 283 city families had been “turned around”.

But, of those, nine people - 3.2 per cent - are in permanent jobs, the department for communities and local government (DCLG) figures reveal.

Yet a lack of work is one of seven factors on the Government's list that trigger a classification of “troubled”, if a family displays at last five of them.

The others are: poor quality housing, no qualifications, mental health problems, long-standing disability, low income and an inability to afford food or clothing.

Across the county, just 46 of 504 families classed as “turned around” now have someone in work - with four in the Isle of Wight and 33 in the rest of Hampshire.

Now the National Audit Office (NAO) has warned the scheme is “underperforming”, pointing to “poor co-ordination” after it was launched quickly, following the 2011 riots.

Its report, published today, agrees there is “evidence that families are beginning to benefit”, from a scheme expected to cost £1bn over four years.

But it adds: “There is a risk that the expectations for the programmes will not be achieved.

“Evidence from programmes similar to that of the DCLG [department for communities and local government] suggests that local authorities will need to invest further to meet its target.”

Only last week, Mr Pickles said the scheme was “on track”, suggesting the lives of more than 22,000 such families had been “turned around” with intensive help.

He said: “Councils are making great strides in a very short space of time, dealing with families that have often had problems and created serious issues in their communities for generations.”

But the NAO also expressed concern that: * Only 62,000 families were currently in the programme across the country - 13 per cent below the number that “might reasonably” have been found.

* A family can be counted as being “turned around” if it shows improvement in just one area.

* Cash-starved councils are spending only the upfront attachment fee on troubled families - not the further sums earned under 'payment-by-results'.

The programme was launched in 2011 - in the wake of that summer's riots - when David Cameron vowed to turn around the lives of 120,000 problem families by 2015.

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8:05am Tue 3 Dec 13

skeptik says...

Poor quality housing and no qualifications. Some of the best quality houses (council built) houses in Winchester were built by unskilled servicemen after demob under master tradesmen with on the job training and strict control. We have many young people coming out of schools having been taught that if you do not get a pen pushers job and have to resort to manual work you have failed, the worlds top economies do not see it that way. We throw billions at 'training agencies' for short term 'turn up and get the qualification' so the agency can claim another 'skilled' worker. Empty and derelict property everywhere, master trades people out of work and youth needing skills. Use the money given away and in benefits to pay trades to refurbish and to teach on the job training. The nations infrastructure and 'book value' increases for future use. Money circulating in the trade supply and transport industries the knock on effect is endless. The usual British way where we have three admin types for every trades person to act as a drag anchor on anything becoming a success would have to be resisted.
Poor quality housing and no qualifications. Some of the best quality houses (council built) houses in Winchester were built by unskilled servicemen after demob under master tradesmen with on the job training and strict control. We have many young people coming out of schools having been taught that if you do not get a pen pushers job and have to resort to manual work you have failed, the worlds top economies do not see it that way. We throw billions at 'training agencies' for short term 'turn up and get the qualification' so the agency can claim another 'skilled' worker. Empty and derelict property everywhere, master trades people out of work and youth needing skills. Use the money given away and in benefits to pay trades to refurbish and to teach on the job training. The nations infrastructure and 'book value' increases for future use. Money circulating in the trade supply and transport industries the knock on effect is endless. The usual British way where we have three admin types for every trades person to act as a drag anchor on anything becoming a success would have to be resisted. skeptik

8:51am Tue 3 Dec 13

SotonGreen says...

So now we are being open about classing as pariahs those with mental health or long term disabilities. I knew the "nasty party" had stooped low, I didnt realise they were that brazen about it.
So now we are being open about classing as pariahs those with mental health or long term disabilities. I knew the "nasty party" had stooped low, I didnt realise they were that brazen about it. SotonGreen

10:01am Tue 3 Dec 13

George4th says...

SotonGreen wrote:
So now we are being open about classing as pariahs those with mental health or long term disabilities. I knew the "nasty party" had stooped low, I didnt realise they were that brazen about it.
No. You are the one calling them pariahs.

You are right about it being open.

A truthful assessment of the issues was required or how else would you deal with the problems??

The economy is going in the right direction, there are more people employed than ever before, the tax revenues will rise, and now we must build on this for the benefit of all UK citizens.
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: So now we are being open about classing as pariahs those with mental health or long term disabilities. I knew the "nasty party" had stooped low, I didnt realise they were that brazen about it.[/p][/quote]No. You are the one calling them pariahs. You are right about it being open. A truthful assessment of the issues was required or how else would you deal with the problems?? The economy is going in the right direction, there are more people employed than ever before, the tax revenues will rise, and now we must build on this for the benefit of all UK citizens. George4th

10:38am Tue 3 Dec 13

southy says...

And if the truth was to be known even those 9 people got help by the Unions and not from the government.
And if the truth was to be known even those 9 people got help by the Unions and not from the government. southy

10:59am Tue 3 Dec 13

southy says...

George4th wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
So now we are being open about classing as pariahs those with mental health or long term disabilities. I knew the "nasty party" had stooped low, I didnt realise they were that brazen about it.
No. You are the one calling them pariahs.

You are right about it being open.

A truthful assessment of the issues was required or how else would you deal with the problems??

The economy is going in the right direction, there are more people employed than ever before, the tax revenues will rise, and now we must build on this for the benefit of all UK citizens.
Off coarse the there are more people employed the population as grown a lot more than there are more people being employed, Unemployment is growing fast even the PM said it was in last week PM question time in the House of Commons.
Its like this 800,000 thousand people being moved out of the heating poverty it happened because the goal post was moved.
If you call the little rise it had and then a fall and the seasonal December rise and maybe the seasonal January rise as an economy going in the right direction then your sound just like the governmental spin doctor as the economy was in the - more than it was in the + over the last 12 mths and each rise did not even equal to the point it fell from, the economy as been doing this since the 80's
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: So now we are being open about classing as pariahs those with mental health or long term disabilities. I knew the "nasty party" had stooped low, I didnt realise they were that brazen about it.[/p][/quote]No. You are the one calling them pariahs. You are right about it being open. A truthful assessment of the issues was required or how else would you deal with the problems?? The economy is going in the right direction, there are more people employed than ever before, the tax revenues will rise, and now we must build on this for the benefit of all UK citizens.[/p][/quote]Off coarse the there are more people employed the population as grown a lot more than there are more people being employed, Unemployment is growing fast even the PM said it was in last week PM question time in the House of Commons. Its like this 800,000 thousand people being moved out of the heating poverty it happened because the goal post was moved. If you call the little rise it had and then a fall and the seasonal December rise and maybe the seasonal January rise as an economy going in the right direction then your sound just like the governmental spin doctor as the economy was in the - more than it was in the + over the last 12 mths and each rise did not even equal to the point it fell from, the economy as been doing this since the 80's southy

12:13pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
George4th wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
So now we are being open about classing as pariahs those with mental health or long term disabilities. I knew the "nasty party" had stooped low, I didnt realise they were that brazen about it.
No. You are the one calling them pariahs.

You are right about it being open.

A truthful assessment of the issues was required or how else would you deal with the problems??

The economy is going in the right direction, there are more people employed than ever before, the tax revenues will rise, and now we must build on this for the benefit of all UK citizens.
Off coarse the there are more people employed the population as grown a lot more than there are more people being employed, Unemployment is growing fast even the PM said it was in last week PM question time in the House of Commons.
Its like this 800,000 thousand people being moved out of the heating poverty it happened because the goal post was moved.
If you call the little rise it had and then a fall and the seasonal December rise and maybe the seasonal January rise as an economy going in the right direction then your sound just like the governmental spin doctor as the economy was in the - more than it was in the + over the last 12 mths and each rise did not even equal to the point it fell from, the economy as been doing this since the 80's
You claimed the 'little rise' in your number of votes heralded the beginning of a world revolution, make your mind up what a 'little rise' is.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: So now we are being open about classing as pariahs those with mental health or long term disabilities. I knew the "nasty party" had stooped low, I didnt realise they were that brazen about it.[/p][/quote]No. You are the one calling them pariahs. You are right about it being open. A truthful assessment of the issues was required or how else would you deal with the problems?? The economy is going in the right direction, there are more people employed than ever before, the tax revenues will rise, and now we must build on this for the benefit of all UK citizens.[/p][/quote]Off coarse the there are more people employed the population as grown a lot more than there are more people being employed, Unemployment is growing fast even the PM said it was in last week PM question time in the House of Commons. Its like this 800,000 thousand people being moved out of the heating poverty it happened because the goal post was moved. If you call the little rise it had and then a fall and the seasonal December rise and maybe the seasonal January rise as an economy going in the right direction then your sound just like the governmental spin doctor as the economy was in the - more than it was in the + over the last 12 mths and each rise did not even equal to the point it fell from, the economy as been doing this since the 80's[/p][/quote]You claimed the 'little rise' in your number of votes heralded the beginning of a world revolution, make your mind up what a 'little rise' is. Torchie1

12:54pm Tue 3 Dec 13

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
George4th wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
So now we are being open about classing as pariahs those with mental health or long term disabilities. I knew the "nasty party" had stooped low, I didnt realise they were that brazen about it.
No. You are the one calling them pariahs.

You are right about it being open.

A truthful assessment of the issues was required or how else would you deal with the problems??

The economy is going in the right direction, there are more people employed than ever before, the tax revenues will rise, and now we must build on this for the benefit of all UK citizens.
Off coarse the there are more people employed the population as grown a lot more than there are more people being employed, Unemployment is growing fast even the PM said it was in last week PM question time in the House of Commons.
Its like this 800,000 thousand people being moved out of the heating poverty it happened because the goal post was moved.
If you call the little rise it had and then a fall and the seasonal December rise and maybe the seasonal January rise as an economy going in the right direction then your sound just like the governmental spin doctor as the economy was in the - more than it was in the + over the last 12 mths and each rise did not even equal to the point it fell from, the economy as been doing this since the 80's
You claimed the 'little rise' in your number of votes heralded the beginning of a world revolution, make your mind up what a 'little rise' is.
From an Acorn mighty Oaks are grown.

If you had to work out the Economy the same way they did pre-1980 then the economy would be 1,000,s of points in the -'s from the base line, but because of the way they do now days every time there,s a fall in the economy the base line moves down with it, the economy is taking 4 steps backwards and 1 step forward, and every time it go's forward 1 step then out comes the claim the economy is running in the right direction or the economy is buoyant when in reality its not its still falling over the 12 mths
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: So now we are being open about classing as pariahs those with mental health or long term disabilities. I knew the "nasty party" had stooped low, I didnt realise they were that brazen about it.[/p][/quote]No. You are the one calling them pariahs. You are right about it being open. A truthful assessment of the issues was required or how else would you deal with the problems?? The economy is going in the right direction, there are more people employed than ever before, the tax revenues will rise, and now we must build on this for the benefit of all UK citizens.[/p][/quote]Off coarse the there are more people employed the population as grown a lot more than there are more people being employed, Unemployment is growing fast even the PM said it was in last week PM question time in the House of Commons. Its like this 800,000 thousand people being moved out of the heating poverty it happened because the goal post was moved. If you call the little rise it had and then a fall and the seasonal December rise and maybe the seasonal January rise as an economy going in the right direction then your sound just like the governmental spin doctor as the economy was in the - more than it was in the + over the last 12 mths and each rise did not even equal to the point it fell from, the economy as been doing this since the 80's[/p][/quote]You claimed the 'little rise' in your number of votes heralded the beginning of a world revolution, make your mind up what a 'little rise' is.[/p][/quote]From an Acorn mighty Oaks are grown. If you had to work out the Economy the same way they did pre-1980 then the economy would be 1,000,s of points in the -'s from the base line, but because of the way they do now days every time there,s a fall in the economy the base line moves down with it, the economy is taking 4 steps backwards and 1 step forward, and every time it go's forward 1 step then out comes the claim the economy is running in the right direction or the economy is buoyant when in reality its not its still falling over the 12 mths southy

5:34pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

I think that Pickles and the Tory lead Government are selling themselves a bit short really.
.
I think that they have turned around the lives of many families in the UK ..... approximately 17 million of them.
.
Too many back of the "fag packet policies" with duff information to ever take any of their "success" claims seriously
I think that Pickles and the Tory lead Government are selling themselves a bit short really. . I think that they have turned around the lives of many families in the UK ..... approximately 17 million of them. . Too many back of the "fag packet policies" with duff information to ever take any of their "success" claims seriously Lone Ranger.

5:54pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
George4th wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
So now we are being open about classing as pariahs those with mental health or long term disabilities. I knew the "nasty party" had stooped low, I didnt realise they were that brazen about it.
No. You are the one calling them pariahs.

You are right about it being open.

A truthful assessment of the issues was required or how else would you deal with the problems??

The economy is going in the right direction, there are more people employed than ever before, the tax revenues will rise, and now we must build on this for the benefit of all UK citizens.
Off coarse the there are more people employed the population as grown a lot more than there are more people being employed, Unemployment is growing fast even the PM said it was in last week PM question time in the House of Commons.
Its like this 800,000 thousand people being moved out of the heating poverty it happened because the goal post was moved.
If you call the little rise it had and then a fall and the seasonal December rise and maybe the seasonal January rise as an economy going in the right direction then your sound just like the governmental spin doctor as the economy was in the - more than it was in the + over the last 12 mths and each rise did not even equal to the point it fell from, the economy as been doing this since the 80's
You claimed the 'little rise' in your number of votes heralded the beginning of a world revolution, make your mind up what a 'little rise' is.
From an Acorn mighty Oaks are grown.

If you had to work out the Economy the same way they did pre-1980 then the economy would be 1,000,s of points in the -'s from the base line, but because of the way they do now days every time there,s a fall in the economy the base line moves down with it, the economy is taking 4 steps backwards and 1 step forward, and every time it go's forward 1 step then out comes the claim the economy is running in the right direction or the economy is buoyant when in reality its not its still falling over the 12 mths
I somehow knew that your 'little rise' would be different and your little acorn would be able to produce a mightier oak than the coalitions little acorn and their mighty oak. UKIPs 'mighty oak' seems to be doing rather better than yours and even the branches of 'Elvis loves Pets' and the 'Wessex Regionalist' oaks seem to be putting your little acorn in the shade. Just keep telling yourself that the next election could be the breakthrough, or the one after that, or maybe the one that follows, or some time in the distant future when you aren't around to see it.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: So now we are being open about classing as pariahs those with mental health or long term disabilities. I knew the "nasty party" had stooped low, I didnt realise they were that brazen about it.[/p][/quote]No. You are the one calling them pariahs. You are right about it being open. A truthful assessment of the issues was required or how else would you deal with the problems?? The economy is going in the right direction, there are more people employed than ever before, the tax revenues will rise, and now we must build on this for the benefit of all UK citizens.[/p][/quote]Off coarse the there are more people employed the population as grown a lot more than there are more people being employed, Unemployment is growing fast even the PM said it was in last week PM question time in the House of Commons. Its like this 800,000 thousand people being moved out of the heating poverty it happened because the goal post was moved. If you call the little rise it had and then a fall and the seasonal December rise and maybe the seasonal January rise as an economy going in the right direction then your sound just like the governmental spin doctor as the economy was in the - more than it was in the + over the last 12 mths and each rise did not even equal to the point it fell from, the economy as been doing this since the 80's[/p][/quote]You claimed the 'little rise' in your number of votes heralded the beginning of a world revolution, make your mind up what a 'little rise' is.[/p][/quote]From an Acorn mighty Oaks are grown. If you had to work out the Economy the same way they did pre-1980 then the economy would be 1,000,s of points in the -'s from the base line, but because of the way they do now days every time there,s a fall in the economy the base line moves down with it, the economy is taking 4 steps backwards and 1 step forward, and every time it go's forward 1 step then out comes the claim the economy is running in the right direction or the economy is buoyant when in reality its not its still falling over the 12 mths[/p][/quote]I somehow knew that your 'little rise' would be different and your little acorn would be able to produce a mightier oak than the coalitions little acorn and their mighty oak. UKIPs 'mighty oak' seems to be doing rather better than yours and even the branches of 'Elvis loves Pets' and the 'Wessex Regionalist' oaks seem to be putting your little acorn in the shade. Just keep telling yourself that the next election could be the breakthrough, or the one after that, or maybe the one that follows, or some time in the distant future when you aren't around to see it. Torchie1

6:16pm Tue 3 Dec 13

good-gosh says...

The report points to poor co-ordination for underperformance. That comes down to overburdened social workers who are expected to do the all the difficult work singlehanded - meeting families face to face, explaining and discussing options and trying to persuade them to take up changes – not ever going to be very successful but worth the try.
The report points to poor co-ordination for underperformance. That comes down to overburdened social workers who are expected to do the all the difficult work singlehanded - meeting families face to face, explaining and discussing options and trying to persuade them to take up changes – not ever going to be very successful but worth the try. good-gosh

11:28pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Linesman says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
I think that Pickles and the Tory lead Government are selling themselves a bit short really.
.
I think that they have turned around the lives of many families in the UK ..... approximately 17 million of them.
.
Too many back of the "fag packet policies" with duff information to ever take any of their "success" claims seriously
I agree. They have turned many lives, Lives of people who were happy and working have now found themselves out of work and depressed.

The only successful scheme under this government has been to allow the bankers, who got us into this financial mess, to pocket massive bonuses, while the ones that need the help have seen their aid cut.

The NHS is being privatised by stealth and the waiting times for surgery or to see a consultant has steadily increased.

Yep! They have certainly turned lives around.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: I think that Pickles and the Tory lead Government are selling themselves a bit short really. . I think that they have turned around the lives of many families in the UK ..... approximately 17 million of them. . Too many back of the "fag packet policies" with duff information to ever take any of their "success" claims seriously[/p][/quote]I agree. They have turned many lives, Lives of people who were happy and working have now found themselves out of work and depressed. The only successful scheme under this government has been to allow the bankers, who got us into this financial mess, to pocket massive bonuses, while the ones that need the help have seen their aid cut. The NHS is being privatised by stealth and the waiting times for surgery or to see a consultant has steadily increased. Yep! They have certainly turned lives around. Linesman

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