Long traffic delays in Southampton city centre

Daily Echo: Heacy traffic in Southampton a few weeks ago Heacy traffic in Southampton a few weeks ago

MOTORISTS suffered long delays in the centre of Southampton today.

A combination of major roadworks, heavy fog and Christmas shoppers pouring into the town conspired to cause traffic chaos.

Drivers have reported a wait of up to an hour to get across the Itchen Bridge into the city centre, and there are also long delays around Dock Gate Four.

One driver said it took an hour to get from Platform Road to Western Esplanade.

To make matters worse, shortly before noon the traffic lights at Terminus Terrace jammed on red - forcing contractors to draft in staff using Stop and Go boards to try and keep the traffic moving again.

Balfour Beatty stressed staff were on the scene immediately after noticing the lights had stopped working and they were fixed shortly after 1.30pm.

It comes just two weeks after the city ground to a halt, with three cruise ships in port and security checks at the Eastern Docks.

Once again, there are cruise ships in dock again, although not as many as last time.

Today's delays mainly affected the Platform Road, Terminus Terrace and Canute Road areas, as well as the Itchen Bridge and West Quay Road.

As drivers tried to avoid the Itchen Bridge and the docklands area, Northam Bridge and Bitterne Road West were also very busy.

The city's roads are already under pressure due to large numbers of Christmas shoppers flocking to Southampton and large scale roadworks on Platform Road and the western end of the Itchen Bridge.

Changes were made to how the light sequencing works at the roadworks on Saltmarsh Lane, at the western end of the Itchen Bridge, in an attempt to clear the traffic.

By 2.40pm, Kingsway heading towards Marsh Lane and help Terminus Terrace was finally running freely, congestion on Central Bridge and West Quay Road was 'easing' and there were short delays on Town Quay, according to the city council's highways department.

The delays add to the misery this morning for travellers, with delays at Southampton Airport due to the thick fog and possible delays on the Red Funnel ferry services.

This morning, eighteen flights were delayed and no planes landed at Southampton.

A spokesman for Southampton City Council's roadworks contractors, Balfour Beatty, said: “We are doing all we can and are extending the closure of Saltmarsh Road into the morning until it has cleared.

“There has been a higher amount of traffic on the roads possibly down to the Christmas shopping season.”

The distruption caused delays for buses in the area, with First Bus reporting delays of up to 25 minutes on its 3, 6, 11, 12, 13, 4, 4a, 4b and X4 services crossing Central Bridge.

Spokeswoman Alison Henderson said: "It's had a knock on effect on our services especially going from East to West.

"It's unavoidable and all we can do is apologise to our customers."

 

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10:11am Wed 11 Dec 13

Brite Spark says...

"Once again, there are cruise ships in dock again, although not as many as three".

2??
"Once again, there are cruise ships in dock again, although not as many as three". 2?? Brite Spark

10:36am Wed 11 Dec 13

Ronnie G says...

We've had cruise ships docking for years with no major problems, the focus I feel should be placed on the super ignorance of the department for southampton city council transport. The department is the only one in a position to take a look at this and decide whether to work together with the rest of southampton and make it easier on their voters of Southampton.
The other conclusion is that none of the 'chiefs' knew/know what they are doing and pass the buck to others in the department who know nothing either having been recently 'redeployed' and it is these people (being redeployed) that have replaced the knowledgeable, experienced staff that prevented situations such as this occurring.
Wonder how many or if any of the council staff that were 'redeployed' have a political preference, if so I wonder, what that would be....mmmmm...
We've had cruise ships docking for years with no major problems, the focus I feel should be placed on the super ignorance of the department for southampton city council transport. The department is the only one in a position to take a look at this and decide whether to work together with the rest of southampton and make it easier on their voters of Southampton. The other conclusion is that none of the 'chiefs' knew/know what they are doing and pass the buck to others in the department who know nothing either having been recently 'redeployed' and it is these people (being redeployed) that have replaced the knowledgeable, experienced staff that prevented situations such as this occurring. Wonder how many or if any of the council staff that were 'redeployed' have a political preference, if so I wonder, what that would be....mmmmm... Ronnie G

10:43am Wed 11 Dec 13

redsnapper says...

Ronnie G wrote:
We've had cruise ships docking for years with no major problems, the focus I feel should be placed on the super ignorance of the department for southampton city council transport. The department is the only one in a position to take a look at this and decide whether to work together with the rest of southampton and make it easier on their voters of Southampton.
The other conclusion is that none of the 'chiefs' knew/know what they are doing and pass the buck to others in the department who know nothing either having been recently 'redeployed' and it is these people (being redeployed) that have replaced the knowledgeable, experienced staff that prevented situations such as this occurring.
Wonder how many or if any of the council staff that were 'redeployed' have a political preference, if so I wonder, what that would be....mmmmm...
The council is chock full of dimwits, who ever is in charge should be fired as there is no vision, no planning and no intelligence evident in the way the City traffic is managed.
[quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: We've had cruise ships docking for years with no major problems, the focus I feel should be placed on the super ignorance of the department for southampton city council transport. The department is the only one in a position to take a look at this and decide whether to work together with the rest of southampton and make it easier on their voters of Southampton. The other conclusion is that none of the 'chiefs' knew/know what they are doing and pass the buck to others in the department who know nothing either having been recently 'redeployed' and it is these people (being redeployed) that have replaced the knowledgeable, experienced staff that prevented situations such as this occurring. Wonder how many or if any of the council staff that were 'redeployed' have a political preference, if so I wonder, what that would be....mmmmm...[/p][/quote]The council is chock full of dimwits, who ever is in charge should be fired as there is no vision, no planning and no intelligence evident in the way the City traffic is managed. redsnapper

10:44am Wed 11 Dec 13

loosehead says...

So if the Echo is saying the traffic's down to cruise ships? then why oh why hasn't this been a problem for all the years the Itchen bridge has been there?
never had this problem with the floating bridge
maybe make this area into a one way system? or people can check on the ships in port & change their route?
Or give the ships to Liverpool?
So if the Echo is saying the traffic's down to cruise ships? then why oh why hasn't this been a problem for all the years the Itchen bridge has been there? never had this problem with the floating bridge maybe make this area into a one way system? or people can check on the ships in port & change their route? Or give the ships to Liverpool? loosehead

11:10am Wed 11 Dec 13

Zootopian says...

loosehead wrote:
So if the Echo is saying the traffic's down to cruise ships? then why oh why hasn't this been a problem for all the years the Itchen bridge has been there?
never had this problem with the floating bridge
maybe make this area into a one way system? or people can check on the ships in port & change their route?
Or give the ships to Liverpool?
Where does it say it's all the fault of the cruise ships?

It lists a number of factors that have potentially contributed to the problems.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So if the Echo is saying the traffic's down to cruise ships? then why oh why hasn't this been a problem for all the years the Itchen bridge has been there? never had this problem with the floating bridge maybe make this area into a one way system? or people can check on the ships in port & change their route? Or give the ships to Liverpool?[/p][/quote]Where does it say it's all the fault of the cruise ships? It lists a number of factors that have potentially contributed to the problems. Zootopian

11:18am Wed 11 Dec 13

camerajuan says...

You can't blame cruise ships for traffic, they've been docking here for years. Too many cars is the problem. Plain & simple. Less cars = less traffic. People can disagree with me all they want but its the truth.

If there is too many black pens in an otherwise colourful pencil case(despite the 3 sharpeners that have always been there), remove some of them to sort the problem.
You can't blame cruise ships for traffic, they've been docking here for years. Too many cars is the problem. Plain & simple. Less cars = less traffic. People can disagree with me all they want but its the truth. If there is too many black pens in an otherwise colourful pencil case(despite the 3 sharpeners that have always been there), remove some of them to sort the problem. camerajuan

11:25am Wed 11 Dec 13

For pity sake says...

camerajuan wrote:
You can't blame cruise ships for traffic, they've been docking here for years. Too many cars is the problem. Plain & simple. Less cars = less traffic. People can disagree with me all they want but its the truth.

If there is too many black pens in an otherwise colourful pencil case(despite the 3 sharpeners that have always been there), remove some of them to sort the problem.
Difficult to disagree when I can't understand what you are saying (pens in pencil cases et al...).
What I would disagree with, however, is your grammar:
"Fewer cars..."
"If there are too many..."
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: You can't blame cruise ships for traffic, they've been docking here for years. Too many cars is the problem. Plain & simple. Less cars = less traffic. People can disagree with me all they want but its the truth. If there is too many black pens in an otherwise colourful pencil case(despite the 3 sharpeners that have always been there), remove some of them to sort the problem.[/p][/quote]Difficult to disagree when I can't understand what you are saying (pens in pencil cases et al...). What I would disagree with, however, is your grammar: "Fewer cars..." "If there are too many..." For pity sake

11:38am Wed 11 Dec 13

Ronnie G says...

redsnapper wrote:
Ronnie G wrote:
We've had cruise ships docking for years with no major problems, the focus I feel should be placed on the super ignorance of the department for southampton city council transport. The department is the only one in a position to take a look at this and decide whether to work together with the rest of southampton and make it easier on their voters of Southampton.
The other conclusion is that none of the 'chiefs' knew/know what they are doing and pass the buck to others in the department who know nothing either having been recently 'redeployed' and it is these people (being redeployed) that have replaced the knowledgeable, experienced staff that prevented situations such as this occurring.
Wonder how many or if any of the council staff that were 'redeployed' have a political preference, if so I wonder, what that would be....mmmmm...
The council is chock full of dimwits, who ever is in charge should be fired as there is no vision, no planning and no intelligence evident in the way the City traffic is managed.
No qualifications evident either!
Unless you count being a fully paid union member.
I for one would be interested to see the relevent academic proof that these people are fully worthy of their positions/titles
I believe that I can be whatever I want, it just depends on how much I am willing to put in. So to me it doesn't matter who you are or what job you have just as long as that person at least has the decency to be worthy of that post.
[quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: We've had cruise ships docking for years with no major problems, the focus I feel should be placed on the super ignorance of the department for southampton city council transport. The department is the only one in a position to take a look at this and decide whether to work together with the rest of southampton and make it easier on their voters of Southampton. The other conclusion is that none of the 'chiefs' knew/know what they are doing and pass the buck to others in the department who know nothing either having been recently 'redeployed' and it is these people (being redeployed) that have replaced the knowledgeable, experienced staff that prevented situations such as this occurring. Wonder how many or if any of the council staff that were 'redeployed' have a political preference, if so I wonder, what that would be....mmmmm...[/p][/quote]The council is chock full of dimwits, who ever is in charge should be fired as there is no vision, no planning and no intelligence evident in the way the City traffic is managed.[/p][/quote]No qualifications evident either! Unless you count being a fully paid union member. I for one would be interested to see the relevent academic proof that these people are fully worthy of their positions/titles I believe that I can be whatever I want, it just depends on how much I am willing to put in. So to me it doesn't matter who you are or what job you have just as long as that person at least has the decency to be worthy of that post. Ronnie G

11:43am Wed 11 Dec 13

Big Mac says...

Need to sort out a park and ride scheme. It works for every other forward thinking city.
Need to sort out a park and ride scheme. It works for every other forward thinking city. Big Mac

12:02pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Brite Spark says...

It's the temporary traffic lights that cause the problems. The half wits that set the timers on them take no consideration at all of the rush hour flow of traffic. They are set to red for the same duration for both directions of traffic flow, regardless of the fact that during rush hours 90 per cent of traffic is headed one way. This has happened for years across the county, the highways maintenance people are too solid to think about the impact of their lack of common sense.
It's the temporary traffic lights that cause the problems. The half wits that set the timers on them take no consideration at all of the rush hour flow of traffic. They are set to red for the same duration for both directions of traffic flow, regardless of the fact that during rush hours 90 per cent of traffic is headed one way. This has happened for years across the county, the highways maintenance people are too solid to think about the impact of their lack of common sense. Brite Spark

12:18pm Wed 11 Dec 13

commonsense888 says...

PARK AND RIDE NEEDED.......Oh wait a minute......... that means the council will get less from its stupidly expensive parking fees!!
PARK AND RIDE NEEDED.......Oh wait a minute......... that means the council will get less from its stupidly expensive parking fees!! commonsense888

12:21pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Maybe if people didn't believe they needed to drive a car everywhere, we wouldn't have this problem, if more people walked, cycled, got public transport(oh wait, private companies are messing that one up too) or even skipped for all I care, then there would be less traffic and those who DO need to drive or be driven around, can do so a lot quicker.
Maybe if people didn't believe they needed to drive a car everywhere, we wouldn't have this problem, if more people walked, cycled, got public transport(oh wait, private companies are messing that one up too) or even skipped for all I care, then there would be less traffic and those who DO need to drive or be driven around, can do so a lot quicker. Ginger_cyclist

12:28pm Wed 11 Dec 13

camerajuan says...

For pity sake wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
You can't blame cruise ships for traffic, they've been docking here for years. Too many cars is the problem. Plain & simple. Less cars = less traffic. People can disagree with me all they want but its the truth.

If there is too many black pens in an otherwise colourful pencil case(despite the 3 sharpeners that have always been there), remove some of them to sort the problem.
Difficult to disagree when I can't understand what you are saying (pens in pencil cases et al...).
What I would disagree with, however, is your grammar:
"Fewer cars..."
"If there are too many..."
Ok I'll try to make this easier to understand. I'm great with kids.

A pencil case contains lots of different coloured pens and pencils, it also has sharpeners in there too. Over time, more and more black pens began to arrive in the case and eventually, the black pens were getting "jammed" when the coloured pens were trying to adjust. The green, amber and red pens were particularly frustrated as they had been moving perfectly fine up until now. The black pens simply shrugged, said it was their right to be there and occasionally blamed the sharpeners for always coming and going. The decision was made to get rid of some black pens, to restore equality within the case. The result was amazing. FEWER black pens meant greater movement for the rest of the pens and pencils. Sharpeners came and went without any problems and were never again blamed for the "jamming".

Next week, I'll tell you of the Roundbottoms who travelled everywhere in motorised boxes, mocking the Chiselledquads for their constant pursuit of physical wellbeing.

Good night princess. Sleep well.
[quote][p][bold]For pity sake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: You can't blame cruise ships for traffic, they've been docking here for years. Too many cars is the problem. Plain & simple. Less cars = less traffic. People can disagree with me all they want but its the truth. If there is too many black pens in an otherwise colourful pencil case(despite the 3 sharpeners that have always been there), remove some of them to sort the problem.[/p][/quote]Difficult to disagree when I can't understand what you are saying (pens in pencil cases et al...). What I would disagree with, however, is your grammar: "Fewer cars..." "If there are too many..."[/p][/quote]Ok I'll try to make this easier to understand. I'm great with kids. A pencil case contains lots of different coloured pens and pencils, it also has sharpeners in there too. Over time, more and more black pens began to arrive in the case and eventually, the black pens were getting "jammed" when the coloured pens were trying to adjust. The green, amber and red pens were particularly frustrated as they had been moving perfectly fine up until now. The black pens simply shrugged, said it was their right to be there and occasionally blamed the sharpeners for always coming and going. The decision was made to get rid of some black pens, to restore equality within the case. The result was amazing. FEWER black pens meant greater movement for the rest of the pens and pencils. Sharpeners came and went without any problems and were never again blamed for the "jamming". Next week, I'll tell you of the Roundbottoms who travelled everywhere in motorised boxes, mocking the Chiselledquads for their constant pursuit of physical wellbeing. Good night princess. Sleep well. camerajuan

12:36pm Wed 11 Dec 13

ecuk268 says...

More people might use Public Transport if First Bus didn't keep cutting their routes.

From January, there's no service from Lordswood or Hill Lane apart from the Unilink which goes via Portswood and is a good service if you're not in a hurry.
More people might use Public Transport if First Bus didn't keep cutting their routes. From January, there's no service from Lordswood or Hill Lane apart from the Unilink which goes via Portswood and is a good service if you're not in a hurry. ecuk268

12:37pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Cyber__Fug says...

Thank heavens we don't have an ice rink, the other two cars that would be using it would cause mayhem !
Thank heavens we don't have an ice rink, the other two cars that would be using it would cause mayhem ! Cyber__Fug

12:42pm Wed 11 Dec 13

itsnotjustice says...

Last july we had 7ships in dock and we didnt have this sort of problem.
Blaming the cruises is stupid.
The road works are causing the problems, mixed with idotic drivers. fact.
Last july we had 7ships in dock and we didnt have this sort of problem. Blaming the cruises is stupid. The road works are causing the problems, mixed with idotic drivers. fact. itsnotjustice

12:48pm Wed 11 Dec 13

03alpe01 says...

Park and Ride anyone???
Park and Ride anyone??? 03alpe01

1:00pm Wed 11 Dec 13

funchal says...

itsnotjustice wrote:
Last july we had 7ships in dock and we didnt have this sort of problem.
Blaming the cruises is stupid.
The road works are causing the problems, mixed with idotic drivers. fact.
I agree totally with you.The road works are definitely the problem and also the stupid frequency of the traffic lights in that area.
[quote][p][bold]itsnotjustice[/bold] wrote: Last july we had 7ships in dock and we didnt have this sort of problem. Blaming the cruises is stupid. The road works are causing the problems, mixed with idotic drivers. fact.[/p][/quote]I agree totally with you.The road works are definitely the problem and also the stupid frequency of the traffic lights in that area. funchal

1:25pm Wed 11 Dec 13

mr.southampton says...

Traffic in Southampton is fast becoming a disgrace.

The problem is a total lack of planning in previous years.

And with even more development planed for the worst affected areas - not to mention a massive housing development on the old Vospers site in Woolston it's only going to get worse.

The problem is that as well as increasing pollution it also costs money - especially if people deliberately stay away from the City
Traffic in Southampton is fast becoming a disgrace. The problem is a total lack of planning in previous years. And with even more development planed for the worst affected areas - not to mention a massive housing development on the old Vospers site in Woolston it's only going to get worse. The problem is that as well as increasing pollution it also costs money - especially if people deliberately stay away from the City mr.southampton

1:32pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Mr saint76 says...

All they need to do is open another entrance in to dock gate 4.Also tell the security not to take so long with each car that comes in.
All they need to do is open another entrance in to dock gate 4.Also tell the security not to take so long with each car that comes in. Mr saint76

1:33pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Quentin Heslop says...

Slow news day when a bit of traffic is the best the Echo has to offer.
Slow news day when a bit of traffic is the best the Echo has to offer. Quentin Heslop

1:40pm Wed 11 Dec 13

phil maccavity says...

Talking to a taxi driver today
He reckoned that the current traffic issues at the bottom part of town are more or less solely down to the roadworks at Platform Rd and the phasing of the lights which, at certain times of the day, should be programmed in relation to the traffic peaks in and around Dock gate 4 including the arrival of Queen Mary.
Bad news is that the road works continue into next year.
(Possible) good news is that there will be an additional Dock Gate and revised Ferry Berth entrance which should aid traffic flows
Some short term pain for long term gain hopefully but this doesn't help people stuck in traffic today
Talking to a taxi driver today He reckoned that the current traffic issues at the bottom part of town are more or less solely down to the roadworks at Platform Rd and the phasing of the lights which, at certain times of the day, should be programmed in relation to the traffic peaks in and around Dock gate 4 including the arrival of Queen Mary. Bad news is that the road works continue into next year. (Possible) good news is that there will be an additional Dock Gate and revised Ferry Berth entrance which should aid traffic flows Some short term pain for long term gain hopefully but this doesn't help people stuck in traffic today phil maccavity

2:14pm Wed 11 Dec 13

FreemantleJamez says...

Southampton definitely needs a park and ride system introduced to avoid this becoming a regular problem! There should be 3 sites, one at Nursling off the M271, one off Stoneham Way ans one at the Windover Roundabout
Southampton definitely needs a park and ride system introduced to avoid this becoming a regular problem! There should be 3 sites, one at Nursling off the M271, one off Stoneham Way ans one at the Windover Roundabout FreemantleJamez

3:14pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Charlie Bucket says...

phil maccavity wrote:
Talking to a taxi driver today
He reckoned that the current traffic issues at the bottom part of town are more or less solely down to the roadworks at Platform Rd and the phasing of the lights which, at certain times of the day, should be programmed in relation to the traffic peaks in and around Dock gate 4 including the arrival of Queen Mary.
Bad news is that the road works continue into next year.
(Possible) good news is that there will be an additional Dock Gate and revised Ferry Berth entrance which should aid traffic flows
Some short term pain for long term gain hopefully but this doesn't help people stuck in traffic today
"More or less solely"? So "not solely" then.
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Talking to a taxi driver today He reckoned that the current traffic issues at the bottom part of town are more or less solely down to the roadworks at Platform Rd and the phasing of the lights which, at certain times of the day, should be programmed in relation to the traffic peaks in and around Dock gate 4 including the arrival of Queen Mary. Bad news is that the road works continue into next year. (Possible) good news is that there will be an additional Dock Gate and revised Ferry Berth entrance which should aid traffic flows Some short term pain for long term gain hopefully but this doesn't help people stuck in traffic today[/p][/quote]"More or less solely"? So "not solely" then. Charlie Bucket

3:31pm Wed 11 Dec 13

bigfella777 says...

No delays riding my bicycle today, the sooner we get a congestion charge in the city centre the better, dirty polluting cars.
No delays riding my bicycle today, the sooner we get a congestion charge in the city centre the better, dirty polluting cars. bigfella777

3:35pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Charlie Bucket says...

bigfella777 wrote:
No delays riding my bicycle today, the sooner we get a congestion charge in the city centre the better, dirty polluting cars.
The sooner public transport offers an adequate alternative to using a car, the better. Stupid dirty unreliable buses.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: No delays riding my bicycle today, the sooner we get a congestion charge in the city centre the better, dirty polluting cars.[/p][/quote]The sooner public transport offers an adequate alternative to using a car, the better. Stupid dirty unreliable buses. Charlie Bucket

3:36pm Wed 11 Dec 13

phil maccavity says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
Talking to a taxi driver today
He reckoned that the current traffic issues at the bottom part of town are more or less solely down to the roadworks at Platform Rd and the phasing of the lights which, at certain times of the day, should be programmed in relation to the traffic peaks in and around Dock gate 4 including the arrival of Queen Mary.
Bad news is that the road works continue into next year.
(Possible) good news is that there will be an additional Dock Gate and revised Ferry Berth entrance which should aid traffic flows
Some short term pain for long term gain hopefully but this doesn't help people stuck in traffic today
"More or less solely"? So "not solely" then.
Fair point.Should not have taken the comment made by the taxi driver and used it verbatim.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Talking to a taxi driver today He reckoned that the current traffic issues at the bottom part of town are more or less solely down to the roadworks at Platform Rd and the phasing of the lights which, at certain times of the day, should be programmed in relation to the traffic peaks in and around Dock gate 4 including the arrival of Queen Mary. Bad news is that the road works continue into next year. (Possible) good news is that there will be an additional Dock Gate and revised Ferry Berth entrance which should aid traffic flows Some short term pain for long term gain hopefully but this doesn't help people stuck in traffic today[/p][/quote]"More or less solely"? So "not solely" then.[/p][/quote]Fair point.Should not have taken the comment made by the taxi driver and used it verbatim. phil maccavity

3:36pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Charlie Bucket says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Maybe if people didn't believe they needed to drive a car everywhere, we wouldn't have this problem, if more people walked, cycled, got public transport(oh wait, private companies are messing that one up too) or even skipped for all I care, then there would be less traffic and those who DO need to drive or be driven around, can do so a lot quicker.
This is what needs to happen. The Ben Elton book "Gridlocked" has some amusing insights into the problem, if you're interested.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Maybe if people didn't believe they needed to drive a car everywhere, we wouldn't have this problem, if more people walked, cycled, got public transport(oh wait, private companies are messing that one up too) or even skipped for all I care, then there would be less traffic and those who DO need to drive or be driven around, can do so a lot quicker.[/p][/quote]This is what needs to happen. The Ben Elton book "Gridlocked" has some amusing insights into the problem, if you're interested. Charlie Bucket

3:37pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Charlie Bucket says...

phil maccavity wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
Talking to a taxi driver today
He reckoned that the current traffic issues at the bottom part of town are more or less solely down to the roadworks at Platform Rd and the phasing of the lights which, at certain times of the day, should be programmed in relation to the traffic peaks in and around Dock gate 4 including the arrival of Queen Mary.
Bad news is that the road works continue into next year.
(Possible) good news is that there will be an additional Dock Gate and revised Ferry Berth entrance which should aid traffic flows
Some short term pain for long term gain hopefully but this doesn't help people stuck in traffic today
"More or less solely"? So "not solely" then.
Fair point.Should not have taken the comment made by the taxi driver and used it verbatim.
:) that's good advice across the board!
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Talking to a taxi driver today He reckoned that the current traffic issues at the bottom part of town are more or less solely down to the roadworks at Platform Rd and the phasing of the lights which, at certain times of the day, should be programmed in relation to the traffic peaks in and around Dock gate 4 including the arrival of Queen Mary. Bad news is that the road works continue into next year. (Possible) good news is that there will be an additional Dock Gate and revised Ferry Berth entrance which should aid traffic flows Some short term pain for long term gain hopefully but this doesn't help people stuck in traffic today[/p][/quote]"More or less solely"? So "not solely" then.[/p][/quote]Fair point.Should not have taken the comment made by the taxi driver and used it verbatim.[/p][/quote]:) that's good advice across the board! Charlie Bucket

4:10pm Wed 11 Dec 13

mickey01 says...

its all down to the bloody cycle route which is another waste of money
its all down to the bloody cycle route which is another waste of money mickey01

4:19pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Maybe if people didn't believe they needed to drive a car everywhere, we wouldn't have this problem, if more people walked, cycled, got public transport(oh wait, private companies are messing that one up too) or even skipped for all I care, then there would be less traffic and those who DO need to drive or be driven around, can do so a lot quicker.
This is what needs to happen. The Ben Elton book "Gridlocked" has some amusing insights into the problem, if you're interested.
Ooh, yes, that does sound like it could be an interesting read, thank you for the recommendation.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Maybe if people didn't believe they needed to drive a car everywhere, we wouldn't have this problem, if more people walked, cycled, got public transport(oh wait, private companies are messing that one up too) or even skipped for all I care, then there would be less traffic and those who DO need to drive or be driven around, can do so a lot quicker.[/p][/quote]This is what needs to happen. The Ben Elton book "Gridlocked" has some amusing insights into the problem, if you're interested.[/p][/quote]Ooh, yes, that does sound like it could be an interesting read, thank you for the recommendation. Ginger_cyclist

4:32pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

mickey01 wrote:
its all down to the bloody cycle route which is another waste of money
In one way, I agree as it won't solve the real problem that is an ever deteriorating standard of driving that makes the roads more dangerous for all BUT, it will help less confident and less able people to get out on 2 wheels.
[quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: its all down to the bloody cycle route which is another waste of money[/p][/quote]In one way, I agree as it won't solve the real problem that is an ever deteriorating standard of driving that makes the roads more dangerous for all BUT, it will help less confident and less able people to get out on 2 wheels. Ginger_cyclist

4:35pm Wed 11 Dec 13

thinklikealocal says...

Ronnie G wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
Ronnie G wrote: We've had cruise ships docking for years with no major problems, the focus I feel should be placed on the super ignorance of the department for southampton city council transport. The department is the only one in a position to take a look at this and decide whether to work together with the rest of southampton and make it easier on their voters of Southampton. The other conclusion is that none of the 'chiefs' knew/know what they are doing and pass the buck to others in the department who know nothing either having been recently 'redeployed' and it is these people (being redeployed) that have replaced the knowledgeable, experienced staff that prevented situations such as this occurring. Wonder how many or if any of the council staff that were 'redeployed' have a political preference, if so I wonder, what that would be....mmmmm...
The council is chock full of dimwits, who ever is in charge should be fired as there is no vision, no planning and no intelligence evident in the way the City traffic is managed.
No qualifications evident either! Unless you count being a fully paid union member. I for one would be interested to see the relevent academic proof that these people are fully worthy of their positions/titles I believe that I can be whatever I want, it just depends on how much I am willing to put in. So to me it doesn't matter who you are or what job you have just as long as that person at least has the decency to be worthy of that post.
Wow, you certainly make a lot of 'claims' in your posts. Evidence? Not sure what qualifications you have to 'guarantee' a set of traffic lights will never break down..... It's the 'dimwits' you talk about who managed to secure the funding for this innovative and forward thinking road improvement scheme. Anyone who thinks major road schemes can be undertaken in any City centre without causing delays is a dimwit in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: We've had cruise ships docking for years with no major problems, the focus I feel should be placed on the super ignorance of the department for southampton city council transport. The department is the only one in a position to take a look at this and decide whether to work together with the rest of southampton and make it easier on their voters of Southampton. The other conclusion is that none of the 'chiefs' knew/know what they are doing and pass the buck to others in the department who know nothing either having been recently 'redeployed' and it is these people (being redeployed) that have replaced the knowledgeable, experienced staff that prevented situations such as this occurring. Wonder how many or if any of the council staff that were 'redeployed' have a political preference, if so I wonder, what that would be....mmmmm...[/p][/quote]The council is chock full of dimwits, who ever is in charge should be fired as there is no vision, no planning and no intelligence evident in the way the City traffic is managed.[/p][/quote]No qualifications evident either! Unless you count being a fully paid union member. I for one would be interested to see the relevent academic proof that these people are fully worthy of their positions/titles I believe that I can be whatever I want, it just depends on how much I am willing to put in. So to me it doesn't matter who you are or what job you have just as long as that person at least has the decency to be worthy of that post.[/p][/quote]Wow, you certainly make a lot of 'claims' in your posts. Evidence? Not sure what qualifications you have to 'guarantee' a set of traffic lights will never break down..... It's the 'dimwits' you talk about who managed to secure the funding for this innovative and forward thinking road improvement scheme. Anyone who thinks major road schemes can be undertaken in any City centre without causing delays is a dimwit in my opinion. thinklikealocal

4:54pm Wed 11 Dec 13

bry2013 says...

I went into town at 10am and the traffic was queued back as far as the top of wrights hill and coming back over the bridge at 1200 was just as bad
luckily I took my push bike and whizzed past all the traffic lol
I went into town at 10am and the traffic was queued back as far as the top of wrights hill and coming back over the bridge at 1200 was just as bad luckily I took my push bike and whizzed past all the traffic lol bry2013

4:57pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

bry2013 wrote:
I went into town at 10am and the traffic was queued back as far as the top of wrights hill and coming back over the bridge at 1200 was just as bad
luckily I took my push bike and whizzed past all the traffic lol
Will probably be bad tomorrow if I go into town, good thing I only ever take my bike.
[quote][p][bold]bry2013[/bold] wrote: I went into town at 10am and the traffic was queued back as far as the top of wrights hill and coming back over the bridge at 1200 was just as bad luckily I took my push bike and whizzed past all the traffic lol[/p][/quote]Will probably be bad tomorrow if I go into town, good thing I only ever take my bike. Ginger_cyclist

5:04pm Wed 11 Dec 13

endzone says...

Anyone tried walking for a change?
Anyone tried walking for a change? endzone

5:06pm Wed 11 Dec 13

pyan says...

The Platform Road works were causing a bit of a problem, but only comparatively minor delays. The person to blame for the present chaos is the dimwit at the council that approved the Itchen Bridge roundabout work before Platform Road was finished, giving us two major disruptions very close to each other.

I just love the quote from Balfour Beatty: “There has been a higher amount of traffic on the roads possibly down to the Christmas shopping season.”
As my uncle used to say: "No s**t, Sherlock..."
The Platform Road works were causing a bit of a problem, but only comparatively minor delays. The person to blame for the present chaos is the dimwit at the council that approved the Itchen Bridge roundabout work before Platform Road was finished, giving us two major disruptions very close to each other. I just love the quote from Balfour Beatty: “There has been a higher amount of traffic on the roads possibly down to the Christmas shopping season.” As my uncle used to say: "No s**t, Sherlock..." pyan

5:13pm Wed 11 Dec 13

S!monOn says...

pyan wrote:
The Platform Road works were causing a bit of a problem, but only comparatively minor delays. The person to blame for the present chaos is the dimwit at the council that approved the Itchen Bridge roundabout work before Platform Road was finished, giving us two major disruptions very close to each other.

I just love the quote from Balfour Beatty: “There has been a higher amount of traffic on the roads possibly down to the Christmas shopping season.”
As my uncle used to say: "No s**t, Sherlock..."
Maybe the council dimwit was hoping they would delay Christmas until after the road works finish........
[quote][p][bold]pyan[/bold] wrote: The Platform Road works were causing a bit of a problem, but only comparatively minor delays. The person to blame for the present chaos is the dimwit at the council that approved the Itchen Bridge roundabout work before Platform Road was finished, giving us two major disruptions very close to each other. I just love the quote from Balfour Beatty: “There has been a higher amount of traffic on the roads possibly down to the Christmas shopping season.” As my uncle used to say: "No s**t, Sherlock..."[/p][/quote]Maybe the council dimwit was hoping they would delay Christmas until after the road works finish........ S!monOn

5:15pm Wed 11 Dec 13

S!monOn says...

endzone wrote:
Anyone tried walking for a change?
It's too cold..... and the pavements are all uneven.
[quote][p][bold]endzone[/bold] wrote: Anyone tried walking for a change?[/p][/quote]It's too cold..... and the pavements are all uneven. S!monOn

5:16pm Wed 11 Dec 13

bigfella777 says...

endzone wrote:
Anyone tried walking for a change?
Don't be silly, you can't have cold air in contact with human beings that's outrageous. No you must spend 2 hours getting to west quay in the car with the heating on full blast then straight up the lift into the heated shops.
[quote][p][bold]endzone[/bold] wrote: Anyone tried walking for a change?[/p][/quote]Don't be silly, you can't have cold air in contact with human beings that's outrageous. No you must spend 2 hours getting to west quay in the car with the heating on full blast then straight up the lift into the heated shops. bigfella777

5:16pm Wed 11 Dec 13

S!monOn says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
bry2013 wrote:
I went into town at 10am and the traffic was queued back as far as the top of wrights hill and coming back over the bridge at 1200 was just as bad
luckily I took my push bike and whizzed past all the traffic lol
Will probably be bad tomorrow if I go into town, good thing I only ever take my bike.
So if you didn't go into to town tomorrow the roads will be all fine?

If that's the case.... maybe you should stay at home :)
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bry2013[/bold] wrote: I went into town at 10am and the traffic was queued back as far as the top of wrights hill and coming back over the bridge at 1200 was just as bad luckily I took my push bike and whizzed past all the traffic lol[/p][/quote]Will probably be bad tomorrow if I go into town, good thing I only ever take my bike.[/p][/quote]So if you didn't go into to town tomorrow the roads will be all fine? If that's the case.... maybe you should stay at home :) S!monOn

5:36pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

S!monOn wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
bry2013 wrote:
I went into town at 10am and the traffic was queued back as far as the top of wrights hill and coming back over the bridge at 1200 was just as bad
luckily I took my push bike and whizzed past all the traffic lol
Will probably be bad tomorrow if I go into town, good thing I only ever take my bike.
So if you didn't go into to town tomorrow the roads will be all fine?

If that's the case.... maybe you should stay at home :)
lol
Not what I meant but was kinda funny.
[quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bry2013[/bold] wrote: I went into town at 10am and the traffic was queued back as far as the top of wrights hill and coming back over the bridge at 1200 was just as bad luckily I took my push bike and whizzed past all the traffic lol[/p][/quote]Will probably be bad tomorrow if I go into town, good thing I only ever take my bike.[/p][/quote]So if you didn't go into to town tomorrow the roads will be all fine? If that's the case.... maybe you should stay at home :)[/p][/quote]lol Not what I meant but was kinda funny. Ginger_cyclist

5:40pm Wed 11 Dec 13

loosehead says...

Zootopian wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So if the Echo is saying the traffic's down to cruise ships? then why oh why hasn't this been a problem for all the years the Itchen bridge has been there?
never had this problem with the floating bridge
maybe make this area into a one way system? or people can check on the ships in port & change their route?
Or give the ships to Liverpool?
Where does it say it's all the fault of the cruise ships?

It lists a number of factors that have potentially contributed to the problems.
Once again, there are cruise ships in dock again, although not as many as last time.
my post was being sarcastic of the Ec ho & other posts who seem to blame the Cruise ships for the traffic.
If you'd read my other posts on this type of subject you'll see I can't see how anyone can blame the ships.
You'd see I suggested an Oyster card type scheme for this city with improved rail links from this cities stations & if you own a card you'd get cheaper bus & rail fares making it financially more viable to use public transport instead of driving.
I e-mailed Cathy McEwing & asked her if she could look into the possibility of doing such a scheme as of now I've had no response but what more should I expect from a Labour councillor?
[quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So if the Echo is saying the traffic's down to cruise ships? then why oh why hasn't this been a problem for all the years the Itchen bridge has been there? never had this problem with the floating bridge maybe make this area into a one way system? or people can check on the ships in port & change their route? Or give the ships to Liverpool?[/p][/quote]Where does it say it's all the fault of the cruise ships? It lists a number of factors that have potentially contributed to the problems.[/p][/quote]Once again, there are cruise ships in dock again, although not as many as last time. my post was being sarcastic of the Ec ho & other posts who seem to blame the Cruise ships for the traffic. If you'd read my other posts on this type of subject you'll see I can't see how anyone can blame the ships. You'd see I suggested an Oyster card type scheme for this city with improved rail links from this cities stations & if you own a card you'd get cheaper bus & rail fares making it financially more viable to use public transport instead of driving. I e-mailed Cathy McEwing & asked her if she could look into the possibility of doing such a scheme as of now I've had no response but what more should I expect from a Labour councillor? loosehead

5:54pm Wed 11 Dec 13

loosehead says...

phil maccavity wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
Talking to a taxi driver today
He reckoned that the current traffic issues at the bottom part of town are more or less solely down to the roadworks at Platform Rd and the phasing of the lights which, at certain times of the day, should be programmed in relation to the traffic peaks in and around Dock gate 4 including the arrival of Queen Mary.
Bad news is that the road works continue into next year.
(Possible) good news is that there will be an additional Dock Gate and revised Ferry Berth entrance which should aid traffic flows
Some short term pain for long term gain hopefully but this doesn't help people stuck in traffic today
"More or less solely"? So "not solely" then.
Fair point.Should not have taken the comment made by the taxi driver and used it verbatim.
Phil when under the Tory council the new road lay out for dock gate 4 was announced I condemned it.
When Labour said they had a plan(?) to do exactly the same plan as the Tories had I condemned it.
i said at the time you would have to have a one way system in place As the roads from the old BBC building( think it's Southwestern house) up to the Itchen bridge would be a bottle neck so a one way to the bridge turning left at that building & over the bridge & on to the bridge with the off (itchen) traffic going down past Ocean village I was actually attacked on this & certain people did blame Cruise ships?
The same Cruise ships that have been a feature of this city since I was born & I was born in 1957.
I remember the chaos of the Northam bridge & the relative calm of the roads from the floating bridge so what after we lose the ships shut the Itchen Bridge?
driving into town this morning I was doing 40 (along Millbrook road) & cars were hammering past me so I was expecting an accident as you could hardly see in front of your face.
the point is how many need to drive into town say from Woolston,Portswood or Freemantle? yet they do!
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Talking to a taxi driver today He reckoned that the current traffic issues at the bottom part of town are more or less solely down to the roadworks at Platform Rd and the phasing of the lights which, at certain times of the day, should be programmed in relation to the traffic peaks in and around Dock gate 4 including the arrival of Queen Mary. Bad news is that the road works continue into next year. (Possible) good news is that there will be an additional Dock Gate and revised Ferry Berth entrance which should aid traffic flows Some short term pain for long term gain hopefully but this doesn't help people stuck in traffic today[/p][/quote]"More or less solely"? So "not solely" then.[/p][/quote]Fair point.Should not have taken the comment made by the taxi driver and used it verbatim.[/p][/quote]Phil when under the Tory council the new road lay out for dock gate 4 was announced I condemned it. When Labour said they had a plan(?) to do exactly the same plan as the Tories had I condemned it. i said at the time you would have to have a one way system in place As the roads from the old BBC building( think it's Southwestern house) up to the Itchen bridge would be a bottle neck so a one way to the bridge turning left at that building & over the bridge & on to the bridge with the off (itchen) traffic going down past Ocean village I was actually attacked on this & certain people did blame Cruise ships? The same Cruise ships that have been a feature of this city since I was born & I was born in 1957. I remember the chaos of the Northam bridge & the relative calm of the roads from the floating bridge so what after we lose the ships shut the Itchen Bridge? driving into town this morning I was doing 40 (along Millbrook road) & cars were hammering past me so I was expecting an accident as you could hardly see in front of your face. the point is how many need to drive into town say from Woolston,Portswood or Freemantle? yet they do! loosehead

7:11pm Wed 11 Dec 13

03alpe01 says...

Quite appalling really. How can a City that reckons they're the 'Kings of Retail' and boast 'Europe's Top Cruise Port' have this sort of traffic problem? The answer is Southampton City Council. Why have all these roadworks at a busy time of the year? Why don't we have a Park and Ride like every other bloody town around here does? The roadworks should be thoroughly planned so that there is minimal disruption caused by having too many roadworks in one place. Southampton is heading the same way as London and not in a good way
Quite appalling really. How can a City that reckons they're the 'Kings of Retail' and boast 'Europe's Top Cruise Port' have this sort of traffic problem? The answer is Southampton City Council. Why have all these roadworks at a busy time of the year? Why don't we have a Park and Ride like every other bloody town around here does? The roadworks should be thoroughly planned so that there is minimal disruption caused by having too many roadworks in one place. Southampton is heading the same way as London and not in a good way 03alpe01

7:27pm Wed 11 Dec 13

enterprise3 says...

What is really depressing is that any sensible solution, ie more cycle paths, more bus lanes, and a park and ride, would cost money. And if the council asked us for more council tax, the same people asking for improvements would be up in arms. Yes there would probably be 'real world' benefits, like less congestion and less pollution, but nothing is more 'real' to a person than the contents of their pockets.
It's why we don't have a Lib Dem government, they make no secret of their plans for higher taxes to pay for worthwhile projects.... and no-one (hardly) votes for them. People are basically selfish... which brings us back to cars!
What is really depressing is that any sensible solution, ie more cycle paths, more bus lanes, and a park and ride, would cost money. And if the council asked us for more council tax, the same people asking for improvements would be up in arms. Yes there would probably be 'real world' benefits, like less congestion and less pollution, but nothing is more 'real' to a person than the contents of their pockets. It's why we don't have a Lib Dem government, they make no secret of their plans for higher taxes to pay for worthwhile projects.... and no-one (hardly) votes for them. People are basically selfish... which brings us back to cars! enterprise3

7:50pm Wed 11 Dec 13

billy_whizz says...

I wonder how many drivers were only going a few miles and could have used a method other than driving? I fear that it will only be as a result of increasing days like these that people will decide to do things differently.
I wonder how many drivers were only going a few miles and could have used a method other than driving? I fear that it will only be as a result of increasing days like these that people will decide to do things differently. billy_whizz

8:03pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

billy_whizz wrote:
I wonder how many drivers were only going a few miles and could have used a method other than driving? I fear that it will only be as a result of increasing days like these that people will decide to do things differently.
Sounds about right, a study was done a few years ago but still relatively recently, that found that most car journeys in Britain, were between 5 to 10 miles and that the majority of those were 5 miles or less.
[quote][p][bold]billy_whizz[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many drivers were only going a few miles and could have used a method other than driving? I fear that it will only be as a result of increasing days like these that people will decide to do things differently.[/p][/quote]Sounds about right, a study was done a few years ago but still relatively recently, that found that most car journeys in Britain, were between 5 to 10 miles and that the majority of those were 5 miles or less. Ginger_cyclist

8:08pm Wed 11 Dec 13

phil maccavity says...

commonsense888 wrote:
PARK AND RIDE NEEDED.......Oh wait a minute......... that means the council will get less from its stupidly expensive parking fees!!
I think Park & Ride is a sensible option to consider
On my travels around the country I have used quite a few of them.
Some of them are quite busy others far less so
For example I have never been in those at the south end of Salisbury or Winchester when they have been remotely full whereas others in Oxford, Reading and Truro, for example seem to do good business
There was one in Doncaster which cost £15m and was used by less than 100 cars a day
I guess most of them were expensive to provide initially and probably cost quite a bit to run.
Bearing in mind that available car parking spaces in Southampton (ie on street and multi storey) are never more than 80% full even on busy days and, as mentioned above, need to be used to provide revenue to the Council to shore up reduced funding from Central Govt as well as providing a return for the high cost of building and operating multi storeys, the financial argument for a Park & Ride facility in Soton may not be that strong
[quote][p][bold]commonsense888[/bold] wrote: PARK AND RIDE NEEDED.......Oh wait a minute......... that means the council will get less from its stupidly expensive parking fees!![/p][/quote]I think Park & Ride is a sensible option to consider On my travels around the country I have used quite a few of them. Some of them are quite busy others far less so For example I have never been in those at the south end of Salisbury or Winchester when they have been remotely full whereas others in Oxford, Reading and Truro, for example seem to do good business There was one in Doncaster which cost £15m and was used by less than 100 cars a day I guess most of them were expensive to provide initially and probably cost quite a bit to run. Bearing in mind that available car parking spaces in Southampton (ie on street and multi storey) are never more than 80% full even on busy days and, as mentioned above, need to be used to provide revenue to the Council to shore up reduced funding from Central Govt as well as providing a return for the high cost of building and operating multi storeys, the financial argument for a Park & Ride facility in Soton may not be that strong phil maccavity

8:08pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Turtlebay says...

I don't know your city very well but it took 30 minutes to get from the Holiday Inn roundabout to Ocean Way where the building site is at about 11am. After unloading there I left the site at 11.30am and it took 40 minutes to get back to the Holiday Inn roundabout. That was in a 7.5 tonne lorry. Sorry for subsequently blocking the coach bay outside that hotel but due to poor planning by your council I had run out of driving time on my tacho.
I don't know your city very well but it took 30 minutes to get from the Holiday Inn roundabout to Ocean Way where the building site is at about 11am. After unloading there I left the site at 11.30am and it took 40 minutes to get back to the Holiday Inn roundabout. That was in a 7.5 tonne lorry. Sorry for subsequently blocking the coach bay outside that hotel but due to poor planning by your council I had run out of driving time on my tacho. Turtlebay

8:16pm Wed 11 Dec 13

George4th says...

Too many car drivers are like lemmings!

We have known about the road works for some time. We know it's always busy at Christmas! And still the car drivers of Southampton and district imitate the Charge of the Light Brigade!
Too many car drivers are like lemmings! We have known about the road works for some time. We know it's always busy at Christmas! And still the car drivers of Southampton and district imitate the Charge of the Light Brigade! George4th

8:48pm Wed 11 Dec 13

endzone says...

dert
dert endzone

9:10pm Wed 11 Dec 13

loosehead says...

Most green schemes are financed by central Government so any scheme to cut carbon emissions(cars) could get funding with out council tax rises.
I'd love to know how Milliband & Balls keep on about the cost of living whilst Labour supporters & those idiotic Liberals keep on about raising council tax & hitting the rich?
So they want to make a property developers dream world come true do they?
How many houses in London are £1million or there abouts?
hit the owners & they move out to border towns where the same size (or bigger) houses are way below a million a developer buys there's & whoopee flats by the thousands appear making London even more congested than it all ready is?
Instead if your colleague lives near you why not car share?
Why not ask if any colleagues(work) would be willing to chip in to hire mini busses to take you to work & back?
Most green schemes are financed by central Government so any scheme to cut carbon emissions(cars) could get funding with out council tax rises. I'd love to know how Milliband & Balls keep on about the cost of living whilst Labour supporters & those idiotic Liberals keep on about raising council tax & hitting the rich? So they want to make a property developers dream world come true do they? How many houses in London are £1million or there abouts? hit the owners & they move out to border towns where the same size (or bigger) houses are way below a million a developer buys there's & whoopee flats by the thousands appear making London even more congested than it all ready is? Instead if your colleague lives near you why not car share? Why not ask if any colleagues(work) would be willing to chip in to hire mini busses to take you to work & back? loosehead

9:30pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Mary80 says...

billy_whizz wrote:
I wonder how many drivers were only going a few miles and could have used a method other than driving? I fear that it will only be as a result of increasing days like these that people will decide to do things differently.
Im not even kidding here i was at The Range in Antelope Park, i saw a car pull out and LITERALLY go around the corner to their house....WTF the dumbass could have WALKED but no no HAD to drive...*Face Palm*

Their house was literally a matter of feet away yet they had to use the car? I despair at people sometimes
[quote][p][bold]billy_whizz[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many drivers were only going a few miles and could have used a method other than driving? I fear that it will only be as a result of increasing days like these that people will decide to do things differently.[/p][/quote]Im not even kidding here i was at The Range in Antelope Park, i saw a car pull out and LITERALLY go around the corner to their house....WTF the dumbass could have WALKED but no no HAD to drive...*Face Palm* Their house was literally a matter of feet away yet they had to use the car? I despair at people sometimes Mary80

10:08pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Norwegian Saint says...

It's the cyclists.... Oh no... It's the car drivers.... Or the Ships.... Maybe the council... Definately the lorries... No, it's the road works... Walkers crossing the roads...
Oh no it's not... Oooooooh yessss it is.... Panto season is back!!
It's the cyclists.... Oh no... It's the car drivers.... Or the Ships.... Maybe the council... Definately the lorries... No, it's the road works... Walkers crossing the roads... Oh no it's not... Oooooooh yessss it is.... Panto season is back!! Norwegian Saint

10:36pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Mary80 wrote:
billy_whizz wrote:
I wonder how many drivers were only going a few miles and could have used a method other than driving? I fear that it will only be as a result of increasing days like these that people will decide to do things differently.
Im not even kidding here i was at The Range in Antelope Park, i saw a car pull out and LITERALLY go around the corner to their house....WTF the dumbass could have WALKED but no no HAD to drive...*Face Palm*

Their house was literally a matter of feet away yet they had to use the car? I despair at people sometimes
I see that every day, seeing as I can see it from the windows here at home, quite often people from round the corner, park in a residential car park in the road right next to the range with their big 7 seaters and stuff, grab a few small bits and then drive back round the corner home.
[quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy_whizz[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many drivers were only going a few miles and could have used a method other than driving? I fear that it will only be as a result of increasing days like these that people will decide to do things differently.[/p][/quote]Im not even kidding here i was at The Range in Antelope Park, i saw a car pull out and LITERALLY go around the corner to their house....WTF the dumbass could have WALKED but no no HAD to drive...*Face Palm* Their house was literally a matter of feet away yet they had to use the car? I despair at people sometimes[/p][/quote]I see that every day, seeing as I can see it from the windows here at home, quite often people from round the corner, park in a residential car park in the road right next to the range with their big 7 seaters and stuff, grab a few small bits and then drive back round the corner home. Ginger_cyclist

10:38pm Wed 11 Dec 13

miltonarcher says...

bigfella777 wrote:
endzone wrote:
Anyone tried walking for a change?
Don't be silly, you can't have cold air in contact with human beings that's outrageous. No you must spend 2 hours getting to west quay in the car with the heating on full blast then straight up the lift into the heated shops.
Aaah bless, can't you afford a car, sorry to hear that. Still at least you will be able to continue to post stupid anti car rubbish. Wake up and smell the coffee old son.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endzone[/bold] wrote: Anyone tried walking for a change?[/p][/quote]Don't be silly, you can't have cold air in contact with human beings that's outrageous. No you must spend 2 hours getting to west quay in the car with the heating on full blast then straight up the lift into the heated shops.[/p][/quote]Aaah bless, can't you afford a car, sorry to hear that. Still at least you will be able to continue to post stupid anti car rubbish. Wake up and smell the coffee old son. miltonarcher

10:45pm Wed 11 Dec 13

miltonarcher says...

Mary80 wrote:
billy_whizz wrote:
I wonder how many drivers were only going a few miles and could have used a method other than driving? I fear that it will only be as a result of increasing days like these that people will decide to do things differently.
Im not even kidding here i was at The Range in Antelope Park, i saw a car pull out and LITERALLY go around the corner to their house....WTF the dumbass could have WALKED but no no HAD to drive...*Face Palm*

Their house was literally a matter of feet away yet they had to use the car? I despair at people sometimes
How do you know they had only driven from their house to the Range? They could have been on route from somewhere, stopping at the range on their way home. Methinks you is lying to try and make a point, or you haven't thought things through before leaping to the wrong conclusion .
[quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy_whizz[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many drivers were only going a few miles and could have used a method other than driving? I fear that it will only be as a result of increasing days like these that people will decide to do things differently.[/p][/quote]Im not even kidding here i was at The Range in Antelope Park, i saw a car pull out and LITERALLY go around the corner to their house....WTF the dumbass could have WALKED but no no HAD to drive...*Face Palm* Their house was literally a matter of feet away yet they had to use the car? I despair at people sometimes[/p][/quote]How do you know they had only driven from their house to the Range? They could have been on route from somewhere, stopping at the range on their way home. Methinks you is lying to try and make a point, or you haven't thought things through before leaping to the wrong conclusion . miltonarcher

10:45pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

miltonarcher wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
endzone wrote:
Anyone tried walking for a change?
Don't be silly, you can't have cold air in contact with human beings that's outrageous. No you must spend 2 hours getting to west quay in the car with the heating on full blast then straight up the lift into the heated shops.
Aaah bless, can't you afford a car, sorry to hear that. Still at least you will be able to continue to post stupid anti car rubbish. Wake up and smell the coffee old son.
You know, most cyclists do ALSO own a car, I'll have one too as soon as I can afford it, though it won't be used for much besides taking friends and family to places, fishing and long journeys, might also need it when I start up my own convention in Southampton for my fandom.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endzone[/bold] wrote: Anyone tried walking for a change?[/p][/quote]Don't be silly, you can't have cold air in contact with human beings that's outrageous. No you must spend 2 hours getting to west quay in the car with the heating on full blast then straight up the lift into the heated shops.[/p][/quote]Aaah bless, can't you afford a car, sorry to hear that. Still at least you will be able to continue to post stupid anti car rubbish. Wake up and smell the coffee old son.[/p][/quote]You know, most cyclists do ALSO own a car, I'll have one too as soon as I can afford it, though it won't be used for much besides taking friends and family to places, fishing and long journeys, might also need it when I start up my own convention in Southampton for my fandom. Ginger_cyclist

11:15pm Wed 11 Dec 13

in search of the truth says...

loosehead wrote:
So if the Echo is saying the traffic's down to cruise ships? then why oh why hasn't this been a problem for all the years the Itchen bridge has been there?
never had this problem with the floating bridge
maybe make this area into a one way system? or people can check on the ships in port & change their route?
Or give the ships to Liverpool?
What a sensible solution Looshead, I was just about to suggest the same thing myself !!!!!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So if the Echo is saying the traffic's down to cruise ships? then why oh why hasn't this been a problem for all the years the Itchen bridge has been there? never had this problem with the floating bridge maybe make this area into a one way system? or people can check on the ships in port & change their route? Or give the ships to Liverpool?[/p][/quote]What a sensible solution Looshead, I was just about to suggest the same thing myself !!!!! in search of the truth

11:20pm Wed 11 Dec 13

in search of the truth says...

loosehead wrote:
So if the Echo is saying the traffic's down to cruise ships? then why oh why hasn't this been a problem for all the years the Itchen bridge has been there?
never had this problem with the floating bridge
maybe make this area into a one way system? or people can check on the ships in port & change their route?
Or give the ships to Liverpool?
That's a very good idea Loosehead I was thinking of suggesting that solution myself. It's plainly obvious that Southampton cannot cope with more than one ship at a time, when we expand our facilities up here we will gladly help the cruise lines improve their service to customers.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So if the Echo is saying the traffic's down to cruise ships? then why oh why hasn't this been a problem for all the years the Itchen bridge has been there? never had this problem with the floating bridge maybe make this area into a one way system? or people can check on the ships in port & change their route? Or give the ships to Liverpool?[/p][/quote]That's a very good idea Loosehead I was thinking of suggesting that solution myself. It's plainly obvious that Southampton cannot cope with more than one ship at a time, when we expand our facilities up here we will gladly help the cruise lines improve their service to customers. in search of the truth

11:24pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

in search of the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So if the Echo is saying the traffic's down to cruise ships? then why oh why hasn't this been a problem for all the years the Itchen bridge has been there?
never had this problem with the floating bridge
maybe make this area into a one way system? or people can check on the ships in port & change their route?
Or give the ships to Liverpool?
That's a very good idea Loosehead I was thinking of suggesting that solution myself. It's plainly obvious that Southampton cannot cope with more than one ship at a time, when we expand our facilities up here we will gladly help the cruise lines improve their service to customers.
It's more that the transport and road planners can't use common sense that says that multiple road works in close proximity would cause chaos.
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So if the Echo is saying the traffic's down to cruise ships? then why oh why hasn't this been a problem for all the years the Itchen bridge has been there? never had this problem with the floating bridge maybe make this area into a one way system? or people can check on the ships in port & change their route? Or give the ships to Liverpool?[/p][/quote]That's a very good idea Loosehead I was thinking of suggesting that solution myself. It's plainly obvious that Southampton cannot cope with more than one ship at a time, when we expand our facilities up here we will gladly help the cruise lines improve their service to customers.[/p][/quote]It's more that the transport and road planners can't use common sense that says that multiple road works in close proximity would cause chaos. Ginger_cyclist

11:36pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Ronnie G says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Ronnie G wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
Ronnie G wrote: We've had cruise ships docking for years with no major problems, the focus I feel should be placed on the super ignorance of the department for southampton city council transport. The department is the only one in a position to take a look at this and decide whether to work together with the rest of southampton and make it easier on their voters of Southampton. The other conclusion is that none of the 'chiefs' knew/know what they are doing and pass the buck to others in the department who know nothing either having been recently 'redeployed' and it is these people (being redeployed) that have replaced the knowledgeable, experienced staff that prevented situations such as this occurring. Wonder how many or if any of the council staff that were 'redeployed' have a political preference, if so I wonder, what that would be....mmmmm...
The council is chock full of dimwits, who ever is in charge should be fired as there is no vision, no planning and no intelligence evident in the way the City traffic is managed.
No qualifications evident either! Unless you count being a fully paid union member. I for one would be interested to see the relevent academic proof that these people are fully worthy of their positions/titles I believe that I can be whatever I want, it just depends on how much I am willing to put in. So to me it doesn't matter who you are or what job you have just as long as that person at least has the decency to be worthy of that post.
Wow, you certainly make a lot of 'claims' in your posts. Evidence? Not sure what qualifications you have to 'guarantee' a set of traffic lights will never break down..... It's the 'dimwits' you talk about who managed to secure the funding for this innovative and forward thinking road improvement scheme. Anyone who thinks major road schemes can be undertaken in any City centre without causing delays is a dimwit in my opinion.
Wow, don't tell me....
you're the council 'dimwit'....
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: We've had cruise ships docking for years with no major problems, the focus I feel should be placed on the super ignorance of the department for southampton city council transport. The department is the only one in a position to take a look at this and decide whether to work together with the rest of southampton and make it easier on their voters of Southampton. The other conclusion is that none of the 'chiefs' knew/know what they are doing and pass the buck to others in the department who know nothing either having been recently 'redeployed' and it is these people (being redeployed) that have replaced the knowledgeable, experienced staff that prevented situations such as this occurring. Wonder how many or if any of the council staff that were 'redeployed' have a political preference, if so I wonder, what that would be....mmmmm...[/p][/quote]The council is chock full of dimwits, who ever is in charge should be fired as there is no vision, no planning and no intelligence evident in the way the City traffic is managed.[/p][/quote]No qualifications evident either! Unless you count being a fully paid union member. I for one would be interested to see the relevent academic proof that these people are fully worthy of their positions/titles I believe that I can be whatever I want, it just depends on how much I am willing to put in. So to me it doesn't matter who you are or what job you have just as long as that person at least has the decency to be worthy of that post.[/p][/quote]Wow, you certainly make a lot of 'claims' in your posts. Evidence? Not sure what qualifications you have to 'guarantee' a set of traffic lights will never break down..... It's the 'dimwits' you talk about who managed to secure the funding for this innovative and forward thinking road improvement scheme. Anyone who thinks major road schemes can be undertaken in any City centre without causing delays is a dimwit in my opinion.[/p][/quote]Wow, don't tell me.... you're the council 'dimwit'.... Ronnie G

11:48pm Wed 11 Dec 13

southamptonadi says...

phil maccavity wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
Talking to a taxi driver today
He reckoned that the current traffic issues at the bottom part of town are more or less solely down to the roadworks at Platform Rd and the phasing of the lights which, at certain times of the day, should be programmed in relation to the traffic peaks in and around Dock gate 4 including the arrival of Queen Mary.
Bad news is that the road works continue into next year.
(Possible) good news is that there will be an additional Dock Gate and revised Ferry Berth entrance which should aid traffic flows
Some short term pain for long term gain hopefully but this doesn't help people stuck in traffic today
"More or less solely"? So "not solely" then.
Fair point.Should not have taken the comment made by the taxi driver and used it verbatim.
Im with you, I travelled around dukes keep to get to bridge this morning and could not get there as the traffic coming of the bridge was being held up by platform road so central bridge was being blocked by traffic.

it was the only route on and off the bridge because it was before 10am.

Why they cant move the cruise ships further up while its going on is beyond me, Shall I say Dibden bay would of improved things i expect or is that too contraversial
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Talking to a taxi driver today He reckoned that the current traffic issues at the bottom part of town are more or less solely down to the roadworks at Platform Rd and the phasing of the lights which, at certain times of the day, should be programmed in relation to the traffic peaks in and around Dock gate 4 including the arrival of Queen Mary. Bad news is that the road works continue into next year. (Possible) good news is that there will be an additional Dock Gate and revised Ferry Berth entrance which should aid traffic flows Some short term pain for long term gain hopefully but this doesn't help people stuck in traffic today[/p][/quote]"More or less solely"? So "not solely" then.[/p][/quote]Fair point.Should not have taken the comment made by the taxi driver and used it verbatim.[/p][/quote]Im with you, I travelled around dukes keep to get to bridge this morning and could not get there as the traffic coming of the bridge was being held up by platform road so central bridge was being blocked by traffic. it was the only route on and off the bridge because it was before 10am. Why they cant move the cruise ships further up while its going on is beyond me, Shall I say Dibden bay would of improved things i expect or is that too contraversial southamptonadi

11:53pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Ronnie G says...

in search of the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So if the Echo is saying the traffic's down to cruise ships? then why oh why hasn't this been a problem for all the years the Itchen bridge has been there?
never had this problem with the floating bridge
maybe make this area into a one way system? or people can check on the ships in port & change their route?
Or give the ships to Liverpool?
That's a very good idea Loosehead I was thinking of suggesting that solution myself. It's plainly obvious that Southampton cannot cope with more than one ship at a time, when we expand our facilities up here we will gladly help the cruise lines improve their service to customers.
Whats plainly obvious is our present Labour council think they can control everything but they have this crap way of sh!tting on those that voted for them, and I'm thinking too that you aint from up there Liverpool either...
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So if the Echo is saying the traffic's down to cruise ships? then why oh why hasn't this been a problem for all the years the Itchen bridge has been there? never had this problem with the floating bridge maybe make this area into a one way system? or people can check on the ships in port & change their route? Or give the ships to Liverpool?[/p][/quote]That's a very good idea Loosehead I was thinking of suggesting that solution myself. It's plainly obvious that Southampton cannot cope with more than one ship at a time, when we expand our facilities up here we will gladly help the cruise lines improve their service to customers.[/p][/quote]Whats plainly obvious is our present Labour council think they can control everything but they have this crap way of sh!tting on those that voted for them, and I'm thinking too that you aint from up there Liverpool either... Ronnie G

12:05am Thu 12 Dec 13

southamptonadi says...

phil maccavity wrote:
commonsense888 wrote:
PARK AND RIDE NEEDED.......Oh wait a minute......... that means the council will get less from its stupidly expensive parking fees!!
I think Park & Ride is a sensible option to consider
On my travels around the country I have used quite a few of them.
Some of them are quite busy others far less so
For example I have never been in those at the south end of Salisbury or Winchester when they have been remotely full whereas others in Oxford, Reading and Truro, for example seem to do good business
There was one in Doncaster which cost £15m and was used by less than 100 cars a day
I guess most of them were expensive to provide initially and probably cost quite a bit to run.
Bearing in mind that available car parking spaces in Southampton (ie on street and multi storey) are never more than 80% full even on busy days and, as mentioned above, need to be used to provide revenue to the Council to shore up reduced funding from Central Govt as well as providing a return for the high cost of building and operating multi storeys, the financial argument for a Park & Ride facility in Soton may not be that strong
Theres a ready built car park just begging to be used with train and bus links, The ford factory car park. You could even go into eastleigh too, If you really wanted too.
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]commonsense888[/bold] wrote: PARK AND RIDE NEEDED.......Oh wait a minute......... that means the council will get less from its stupidly expensive parking fees!![/p][/quote]I think Park & Ride is a sensible option to consider On my travels around the country I have used quite a few of them. Some of them are quite busy others far less so For example I have never been in those at the south end of Salisbury or Winchester when they have been remotely full whereas others in Oxford, Reading and Truro, for example seem to do good business There was one in Doncaster which cost £15m and was used by less than 100 cars a day I guess most of them were expensive to provide initially and probably cost quite a bit to run. Bearing in mind that available car parking spaces in Southampton (ie on street and multi storey) are never more than 80% full even on busy days and, as mentioned above, need to be used to provide revenue to the Council to shore up reduced funding from Central Govt as well as providing a return for the high cost of building and operating multi storeys, the financial argument for a Park & Ride facility in Soton may not be that strong[/p][/quote]Theres a ready built car park just begging to be used with train and bus links, The ford factory car park. You could even go into eastleigh too, If you really wanted too. southamptonadi

12:13am Thu 12 Dec 13

Mary80 says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Mary80 wrote:
billy_whizz wrote:
I wonder how many drivers were only going a few miles and could have used a method other than driving? I fear that it will only be as a result of increasing days like these that people will decide to do things differently.
Im not even kidding here i was at The Range in Antelope Park, i saw a car pull out and LITERALLY go around the corner to their house....WTF the dumbass could have WALKED but no no HAD to drive...*Face Palm*

Their house was literally a matter of feet away yet they had to use the car? I despair at people sometimes
How do you know they had only driven from their house to the Range? They could have been on route from somewhere, stopping at the range on their way home. Methinks you is lying to try and make a point, or you haven't thought things through before leaping to the wrong conclusion .
And how do you know they DIDNT.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy_whizz[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many drivers were only going a few miles and could have used a method other than driving? I fear that it will only be as a result of increasing days like these that people will decide to do things differently.[/p][/quote]Im not even kidding here i was at The Range in Antelope Park, i saw a car pull out and LITERALLY go around the corner to their house....WTF the dumbass could have WALKED but no no HAD to drive...*Face Palm* Their house was literally a matter of feet away yet they had to use the car? I despair at people sometimes[/p][/quote]How do you know they had only driven from their house to the Range? They could have been on route from somewhere, stopping at the range on their way home. Methinks you is lying to try and make a point, or you haven't thought things through before leaping to the wrong conclusion .[/p][/quote]And how do you know they DIDNT. Mary80

12:30am Thu 12 Dec 13

robj1969 says...

My dad was talking to someone who said that in the last 2 weeks traffic going over the itchen bridge has halved as people are not getting off at junction 8 of M27 but carrying on down to junction 5.

I've noticed an increase in traffic every morning on this stretch myself so it does tally up. If this is correct, how much money are SCC losing each week from the bridge tolls?

At the next local elections can I ask the residents of the Bevois Valley ward to vote for anybody other than the useless Jacqui Rayment......
My dad was talking to someone who said that in the last 2 weeks traffic going over the itchen bridge has halved as people are not getting off at junction 8 of M27 but carrying on down to junction 5. I've noticed an increase in traffic every morning on this stretch myself so it does tally up. If this is correct, how much money are SCC losing each week from the bridge tolls? At the next local elections can I ask the residents of the Bevois Valley ward to vote for anybody other than the useless Jacqui Rayment...... robj1969

2:03am Thu 12 Dec 13

Someone_New says...

camerajuan wrote:
For pity sake wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
You can't blame cruise ships for traffic, they've been docking here for years. Too many cars is the problem. Plain & simple. Less cars = less traffic. People can disagree with me all they want but its the truth.

If there is too many black pens in an otherwise colourful pencil case(despite the 3 sharpeners that have always been there), remove some of them to sort the problem.
Difficult to disagree when I can't understand what you are saying (pens in pencil cases et al...).
What I would disagree with, however, is your grammar:
"Fewer cars..."
"If there are too many..."
Ok I'll try to make this easier to understand. I'm great with kids.

A pencil case contains lots of different coloured pens and pencils, it also has sharpeners in there too. Over time, more and more black pens began to arrive in the case and eventually, the black pens were getting "jammed" when the coloured pens were trying to adjust. The green, amber and red pens were particularly frustrated as they had been moving perfectly fine up until now. The black pens simply shrugged, said it was their right to be there and occasionally blamed the sharpeners for always coming and going. The decision was made to get rid of some black pens, to restore equality within the case. The result was amazing. FEWER black pens meant greater movement for the rest of the pens and pencils. Sharpeners came and went without any problems and were never again blamed for the "jamming".

Next week, I'll tell you of the Roundbottoms who travelled everywhere in motorised boxes, mocking the Chiselledquads for their constant pursuit of physical wellbeing.

Good night princess. Sleep well.
Oh come on, this is probably the worst analogy in the history of ever. It makes using table condiments to explain the offside rule seem like child's play! The fact that you had to go and write loads of stuff to try (and fail) to explain it just makes it worse! :-D

Plus by saying "the black pens got the blame", are you trying to introduce an element of racism into the analogy... or ????

Probably best to quit while you're behind on this one old chap ;-)
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]For pity sake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: You can't blame cruise ships for traffic, they've been docking here for years. Too many cars is the problem. Plain & simple. Less cars = less traffic. People can disagree with me all they want but its the truth. If there is too many black pens in an otherwise colourful pencil case(despite the 3 sharpeners that have always been there), remove some of them to sort the problem.[/p][/quote]Difficult to disagree when I can't understand what you are saying (pens in pencil cases et al...). What I would disagree with, however, is your grammar: "Fewer cars..." "If there are too many..."[/p][/quote]Ok I'll try to make this easier to understand. I'm great with kids. A pencil case contains lots of different coloured pens and pencils, it also has sharpeners in there too. Over time, more and more black pens began to arrive in the case and eventually, the black pens were getting "jammed" when the coloured pens were trying to adjust. The green, amber and red pens were particularly frustrated as they had been moving perfectly fine up until now. The black pens simply shrugged, said it was their right to be there and occasionally blamed the sharpeners for always coming and going. The decision was made to get rid of some black pens, to restore equality within the case. The result was amazing. FEWER black pens meant greater movement for the rest of the pens and pencils. Sharpeners came and went without any problems and were never again blamed for the "jamming". Next week, I'll tell you of the Roundbottoms who travelled everywhere in motorised boxes, mocking the Chiselledquads for their constant pursuit of physical wellbeing. Good night princess. Sleep well.[/p][/quote]Oh come on, this is probably the worst analogy in the history of ever. It makes using table condiments to explain the offside rule seem like child's play! The fact that you had to go and write loads of stuff to try (and fail) to explain it just makes it worse! :-D Plus by saying "the black pens got the blame", are you trying to introduce an element of racism into the analogy... or ???? Probably best to quit while you're behind on this one old chap ;-) Someone_New

2:16am Thu 12 Dec 13

Someone_New says...

Mary80 wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Mary80 wrote:
billy_whizz wrote:
I wonder how many drivers were only going a few miles and could have used a method other than driving? I fear that it will only be as a result of increasing days like these that people will decide to do things differently.
Im not even kidding here i was at The Range in Antelope Park, i saw a car pull out and LITERALLY go around the corner to their house....WTF the dumbass could have WALKED but no no HAD to drive...*Face Palm*

Their house was literally a matter of feet away yet they had to use the car? I despair at people sometimes
How do you know they had only driven from their house to the Range? They could have been on route from somewhere, stopping at the range on their way home. Methinks you is lying to try and make a point, or you haven't thought things through before leaping to the wrong conclusion .
And how do you know they DIDNT.
Even if this person - despite your very little evidence - did do exactly as you say, it doesn't mean everyone is jumping in their cars all the time to drive for longer than it would take to walk.

Another classic case of the DE reader using insufficient data to conclude their argument must be correct and therefore to justify their personal agenda.

Still, at least you aren't ginger_cyclist. In true annoying vigilante style, he'd probably have gone up to have a go at the driver and would have received either the middle finger for his trouble, or worse, a slap.
[quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy_whizz[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many drivers were only going a few miles and could have used a method other than driving? I fear that it will only be as a result of increasing days like these that people will decide to do things differently.[/p][/quote]Im not even kidding here i was at The Range in Antelope Park, i saw a car pull out and LITERALLY go around the corner to their house....WTF the dumbass could have WALKED but no no HAD to drive...*Face Palm* Their house was literally a matter of feet away yet they had to use the car? I despair at people sometimes[/p][/quote]How do you know they had only driven from their house to the Range? They could have been on route from somewhere, stopping at the range on their way home. Methinks you is lying to try and make a point, or you haven't thought things through before leaping to the wrong conclusion .[/p][/quote]And how do you know they DIDNT.[/p][/quote]Even if this person - despite your very little evidence - did do exactly as you say, it doesn't mean everyone is jumping in their cars all the time to drive for longer than it would take to walk. Another classic case of the DE reader using insufficient data to conclude their argument must be correct and therefore to justify their personal agenda. Still, at least you aren't ginger_cyclist. In true annoying vigilante style, he'd probably have gone up to have a go at the driver and would have received either the middle finger for his trouble, or worse, a slap. Someone_New

10:36am Thu 12 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

Ronnie G wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So if the Echo is saying the traffic's down to cruise ships? then why oh why hasn't this been a problem for all the years the Itchen bridge has been there?
never had this problem with the floating bridge
maybe make this area into a one way system? or people can check on the ships in port & change their route?
Or give the ships to Liverpool?
That's a very good idea Loosehead I was thinking of suggesting that solution myself. It's plainly obvious that Southampton cannot cope with more than one ship at a time, when we expand our facilities up here we will gladly help the cruise lines improve their service to customers.
Whats plainly obvious is our present Labour council think they can control everything but they have this crap way of sh!tting on those that voted for them, and I'm thinking too that you aint from up there Liverpool either...
What a stupid post ...... you would think its the councillors themselves that are digging up the roads.
.
Your post is so similar to that of a lady that used to post on here .... Now she was weird !!
[quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So if the Echo is saying the traffic's down to cruise ships? then why oh why hasn't this been a problem for all the years the Itchen bridge has been there? never had this problem with the floating bridge maybe make this area into a one way system? or people can check on the ships in port & change their route? Or give the ships to Liverpool?[/p][/quote]That's a very good idea Loosehead I was thinking of suggesting that solution myself. It's plainly obvious that Southampton cannot cope with more than one ship at a time, when we expand our facilities up here we will gladly help the cruise lines improve their service to customers.[/p][/quote]Whats plainly obvious is our present Labour council think they can control everything but they have this crap way of sh!tting on those that voted for them, and I'm thinking too that you aint from up there Liverpool either...[/p][/quote]What a stupid post ...... you would think its the councillors themselves that are digging up the roads. . Your post is so similar to that of a lady that used to post on here .... Now she was weird !! Lone Ranger.

11:05am Thu 12 Dec 13

Facewagon says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
billy_whizz wrote:
I wonder how many drivers were only going a few miles and could have used a method other than driving? I fear that it will only be as a result of increasing days like these that people will decide to do things differently.
Sounds about right, a study was done a few years ago but still relatively recently, that found that most car journeys in Britain, were between 5 to 10 miles and that the majority of those were 5 miles or less.
Please explain how it is mathematically possible for any journeys between 5 and 10 miles to be less than 5 miles.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy_whizz[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many drivers were only going a few miles and could have used a method other than driving? I fear that it will only be as a result of increasing days like these that people will decide to do things differently.[/p][/quote]Sounds about right, a study was done a few years ago but still relatively recently, that found that most car journeys in Britain, were between 5 to 10 miles and that the majority of those were 5 miles or less.[/p][/quote]Please explain how it is mathematically possible for any journeys between 5 and 10 miles to be less than 5 miles. Facewagon

12:32pm Thu 12 Dec 13

loosehead says...

Look we have train stations all along the main routes into this city besides the Avenue.maybe approach the rail companies to put on either tube like trains or Light railway trains to run a bus/shuttle service into the city?
Eastleigh residents can get on at Eastleigh Swaythling & surrounding areas at Swaythling/Southampt
on airport.
Totton residents at their station the same as Redbridge & Millbrook/Freemantle residents at Millbrook station,Woolston they can get the local train or walk.
Then maybe we could look at introducing a mono rail which was the only good idea Alan Whitehead had for this city.
Make sure it's cheaper than driving a car then cutting the car parks in the city with out effecting the shops !
But honestly look at town now compared to the past what a difference!
More shops more shoppers so more traffic if people can't see that then they should open their eyes!
Look we have train stations all along the main routes into this city besides the Avenue.maybe approach the rail companies to put on either tube like trains or Light railway trains to run a bus/shuttle service into the city? Eastleigh residents can get on at Eastleigh Swaythling & surrounding areas at Swaythling/Southampt on airport. Totton residents at their station the same as Redbridge & Millbrook/Freemantle residents at Millbrook station,Woolston they can get the local train or walk. Then maybe we could look at introducing a mono rail which was the only good idea Alan Whitehead had for this city. Make sure it's cheaper than driving a car then cutting the car parks in the city with out effecting the shops ! But honestly look at town now compared to the past what a difference! More shops more shoppers so more traffic if people can't see that then they should open their eyes! loosehead

12:34pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Facewagon wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
billy_whizz wrote:
I wonder how many drivers were only going a few miles and could have used a method other than driving? I fear that it will only be as a result of increasing days like these that people will decide to do things differently.
Sounds about right, a study was done a few years ago but still relatively recently, that found that most car journeys in Britain, were between 5 to 10 miles and that the majority of those were 5 miles or less.
Please explain how it is mathematically possible for any journeys between 5 and 10 miles to be less than 5 miles.
I meant 1 to 10 miles, not 5 to 10.
[quote][p][bold]Facewagon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy_whizz[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many drivers were only going a few miles and could have used a method other than driving? I fear that it will only be as a result of increasing days like these that people will decide to do things differently.[/p][/quote]Sounds about right, a study was done a few years ago but still relatively recently, that found that most car journeys in Britain, were between 5 to 10 miles and that the majority of those were 5 miles or less.[/p][/quote]Please explain how it is mathematically possible for any journeys between 5 and 10 miles to be less than 5 miles.[/p][/quote]I meant 1 to 10 miles, not 5 to 10. Ginger_cyclist

2:20pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Ronnie G wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
Ronnie G wrote: We've had cruise ships docking for years with no major problems, the focus I feel should be placed on the super ignorance of the department for southampton city council transport. The department is the only one in a position to take a look at this and decide whether to work together with the rest of southampton and make it easier on their voters of Southampton. The other conclusion is that none of the 'chiefs' knew/know what they are doing and pass the buck to others in the department who know nothing either having been recently 'redeployed' and it is these people (being redeployed) that have replaced the knowledgeable, experienced staff that prevented situations such as this occurring. Wonder how many or if any of the council staff that were 'redeployed' have a political preference, if so I wonder, what that would be....mmmmm...
The council is chock full of dimwits, who ever is in charge should be fired as there is no vision, no planning and no intelligence evident in the way the City traffic is managed.
No qualifications evident either! Unless you count being a fully paid union member. I for one would be interested to see the relevent academic proof that these people are fully worthy of their positions/titles I believe that I can be whatever I want, it just depends on how much I am willing to put in. So to me it doesn't matter who you are or what job you have just as long as that person at least has the decency to be worthy of that post.
Wow, you certainly make a lot of 'claims' in your posts. Evidence? Not sure what qualifications you have to 'guarantee' a set of traffic lights will never break down..... It's the 'dimwits' you talk about who managed to secure the funding for this innovative and forward thinking road improvement scheme. Anyone who thinks major road schemes can be undertaken in any City centre without causing delays is a dimwit in my opinion.
Never a truer word spoken ..... or posted
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: We've had cruise ships docking for years with no major problems, the focus I feel should be placed on the super ignorance of the department for southampton city council transport. The department is the only one in a position to take a look at this and decide whether to work together with the rest of southampton and make it easier on their voters of Southampton. The other conclusion is that none of the 'chiefs' knew/know what they are doing and pass the buck to others in the department who know nothing either having been recently 'redeployed' and it is these people (being redeployed) that have replaced the knowledgeable, experienced staff that prevented situations such as this occurring. Wonder how many or if any of the council staff that were 'redeployed' have a political preference, if so I wonder, what that would be....mmmmm...[/p][/quote]The council is chock full of dimwits, who ever is in charge should be fired as there is no vision, no planning and no intelligence evident in the way the City traffic is managed.[/p][/quote]No qualifications evident either! Unless you count being a fully paid union member. I for one would be interested to see the relevent academic proof that these people are fully worthy of their positions/titles I believe that I can be whatever I want, it just depends on how much I am willing to put in. So to me it doesn't matter who you are or what job you have just as long as that person at least has the decency to be worthy of that post.[/p][/quote]Wow, you certainly make a lot of 'claims' in your posts. Evidence? Not sure what qualifications you have to 'guarantee' a set of traffic lights will never break down..... It's the 'dimwits' you talk about who managed to secure the funding for this innovative and forward thinking road improvement scheme. Anyone who thinks major road schemes can be undertaken in any City centre without causing delays is a dimwit in my opinion.[/p][/quote]Never a truer word spoken ..... or posted Lone Ranger.

4:08pm Thu 12 Dec 13

bigfella777 says...

miltonarcher wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
endzone wrote:
Anyone tried walking for a change?
Don't be silly, you can't have cold air in contact with human beings that's outrageous. No you must spend 2 hours getting to west quay in the car with the heating on full blast then straight up the lift into the heated shops.
Aaah bless, can't you afford a car, sorry to hear that. Still at least you will be able to continue to post stupid anti car rubbish. Wake up and smell the coffee old son.
I don't need one old son, I have a city centre apartment, I just walk out the front door and into the shops.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endzone[/bold] wrote: Anyone tried walking for a change?[/p][/quote]Don't be silly, you can't have cold air in contact with human beings that's outrageous. No you must spend 2 hours getting to west quay in the car with the heating on full blast then straight up the lift into the heated shops.[/p][/quote]Aaah bless, can't you afford a car, sorry to hear that. Still at least you will be able to continue to post stupid anti car rubbish. Wake up and smell the coffee old son.[/p][/quote]I don't need one old son, I have a city centre apartment, I just walk out the front door and into the shops. bigfella777

5:47pm Thu 12 Dec 13

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Ronnie G wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
Ronnie G wrote: We've had cruise ships docking for years with no major problems, the focus I feel should be placed on the super ignorance of the department for southampton city council transport. The department is the only one in a position to take a look at this and decide whether to work together with the rest of southampton and make it easier on their voters of Southampton. The other conclusion is that none of the 'chiefs' knew/know what they are doing and pass the buck to others in the department who know nothing either having been recently 'redeployed' and it is these people (being redeployed) that have replaced the knowledgeable, experienced staff that prevented situations such as this occurring. Wonder how many or if any of the council staff that were 'redeployed' have a political preference, if so I wonder, what that would be....mmmmm...
The council is chock full of dimwits, who ever is in charge should be fired as there is no vision, no planning and no intelligence evident in the way the City traffic is managed.
No qualifications evident either! Unless you count being a fully paid union member. I for one would be interested to see the relevent academic proof that these people are fully worthy of their positions/titles I believe that I can be whatever I want, it just depends on how much I am willing to put in. So to me it doesn't matter who you are or what job you have just as long as that person at least has the decency to be worthy of that post.
Wow, you certainly make a lot of 'claims' in your posts. Evidence? Not sure what qualifications you have to 'guarantee' a set of traffic lights will never break down..... It's the 'dimwits' you talk about who managed to secure the funding for this innovative and forward thinking road improvement scheme. Anyone who thinks major road schemes can be undertaken in any City centre without causing delays is a dimwit in my opinion.
Never a truer word spoken ..... or posted
talk about a truer word spoken? from a post by a Lying Labour Councillor that's a good one!
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: We've had cruise ships docking for years with no major problems, the focus I feel should be placed on the super ignorance of the department for southampton city council transport. The department is the only one in a position to take a look at this and decide whether to work together with the rest of southampton and make it easier on their voters of Southampton. The other conclusion is that none of the 'chiefs' knew/know what they are doing and pass the buck to others in the department who know nothing either having been recently 'redeployed' and it is these people (being redeployed) that have replaced the knowledgeable, experienced staff that prevented situations such as this occurring. Wonder how many or if any of the council staff that were 'redeployed' have a political preference, if so I wonder, what that would be....mmmmm...[/p][/quote]The council is chock full of dimwits, who ever is in charge should be fired as there is no vision, no planning and no intelligence evident in the way the City traffic is managed.[/p][/quote]No qualifications evident either! Unless you count being a fully paid union member. I for one would be interested to see the relevent academic proof that these people are fully worthy of their positions/titles I believe that I can be whatever I want, it just depends on how much I am willing to put in. So to me it doesn't matter who you are or what job you have just as long as that person at least has the decency to be worthy of that post.[/p][/quote]Wow, you certainly make a lot of 'claims' in your posts. Evidence? Not sure what qualifications you have to 'guarantee' a set of traffic lights will never break down..... It's the 'dimwits' you talk about who managed to secure the funding for this innovative and forward thinking road improvement scheme. Anyone who thinks major road schemes can be undertaken in any City centre without causing delays is a dimwit in my opinion.[/p][/quote]Never a truer word spoken ..... or posted[/p][/quote]talk about a truer word spoken? from a post by a Lying Labour Councillor that's a good one! loosehead

6:26pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Someone_New wrote:
Mary80 wrote:
miltonarcher wrote:
Mary80 wrote:
billy_whizz wrote:
I wonder how many drivers were only going a few miles and could have used a method other than driving? I fear that it will only be as a result of increasing days like these that people will decide to do things differently.
Im not even kidding here i was at The Range in Antelope Park, i saw a car pull out and LITERALLY go around the corner to their house....WTF the dumbass could have WALKED but no no HAD to drive...*Face Palm*

Their house was literally a matter of feet away yet they had to use the car? I despair at people sometimes
How do you know they had only driven from their house to the Range? They could have been on route from somewhere, stopping at the range on their way home. Methinks you is lying to try and make a point, or you haven't thought things through before leaping to the wrong conclusion .
And how do you know they DIDNT.
Even if this person - despite your very little evidence - did do exactly as you say, it doesn't mean everyone is jumping in their cars all the time to drive for longer than it would take to walk.

Another classic case of the DE reader using insufficient data to conclude their argument must be correct and therefore to justify their personal agenda.

Still, at least you aren't ginger_cyclist. In true annoying vigilante style, he'd probably have gone up to have a go at the driver and would have received either the middle finger for his trouble, or worse, a slap.
Improper use of the word "vigilante", a vigilante typically uses violent methods to serve their own justice, I don't, also, I wouldn't have bothered as they hadn't broken the law.
[quote][p][bold]Someone_New[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy_whizz[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many drivers were only going a few miles and could have used a method other than driving? I fear that it will only be as a result of increasing days like these that people will decide to do things differently.[/p][/quote]Im not even kidding here i was at The Range in Antelope Park, i saw a car pull out and LITERALLY go around the corner to their house....WTF the dumbass could have WALKED but no no HAD to drive...*Face Palm* Their house was literally a matter of feet away yet they had to use the car? I despair at people sometimes[/p][/quote]How do you know they had only driven from their house to the Range? They could have been on route from somewhere, stopping at the range on their way home. Methinks you is lying to try and make a point, or you haven't thought things through before leaping to the wrong conclusion .[/p][/quote]And how do you know they DIDNT.[/p][/quote]Even if this person - despite your very little evidence - did do exactly as you say, it doesn't mean everyone is jumping in their cars all the time to drive for longer than it would take to walk. Another classic case of the DE reader using insufficient data to conclude their argument must be correct and therefore to justify their personal agenda. Still, at least you aren't ginger_cyclist. In true annoying vigilante style, he'd probably have gone up to have a go at the driver and would have received either the middle finger for his trouble, or worse, a slap.[/p][/quote]Improper use of the word "vigilante", a vigilante typically uses violent methods to serve their own justice, I don't, also, I wouldn't have bothered as they hadn't broken the law. Ginger_cyclist

8:17pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Ronnie G wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
Ronnie G wrote: We've had cruise ships docking for years with no major problems, the focus I feel should be placed on the super ignorance of the department for southampton city council transport. The department is the only one in a position to take a look at this and decide whether to work together with the rest of southampton and make it easier on their voters of Southampton. The other conclusion is that none of the 'chiefs' knew/know what they are doing and pass the buck to others in the department who know nothing either having been recently 'redeployed' and it is these people (being redeployed) that have replaced the knowledgeable, experienced staff that prevented situations such as this occurring. Wonder how many or if any of the council staff that were 'redeployed' have a political preference, if so I wonder, what that would be....mmmmm...
The council is chock full of dimwits, who ever is in charge should be fired as there is no vision, no planning and no intelligence evident in the way the City traffic is managed.
No qualifications evident either! Unless you count being a fully paid union member. I for one would be interested to see the relevent academic proof that these people are fully worthy of their positions/titles I believe that I can be whatever I want, it just depends on how much I am willing to put in. So to me it doesn't matter who you are or what job you have just as long as that person at least has the decency to be worthy of that post.
Wow, you certainly make a lot of 'claims' in your posts. Evidence? Not sure what qualifications you have to 'guarantee' a set of traffic lights will never break down..... It's the 'dimwits' you talk about who managed to secure the funding for this innovative and forward thinking road improvement scheme. Anyone who thinks major road schemes can be undertaken in any City centre without causing delays is a dimwit in my opinion.
Never a truer word spoken ..... or posted
talk about a truer word spoken? from a post by a Lying Labour Councillor that's a good one!
Thats rich coming from a lying hypocrite like you.
.
Anyway where is your proof that i am w anything to do with the council.
.
Or are you doing you silly act of guessing ... oh and lying again.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: We've had cruise ships docking for years with no major problems, the focus I feel should be placed on the super ignorance of the department for southampton city council transport. The department is the only one in a position to take a look at this and decide whether to work together with the rest of southampton and make it easier on their voters of Southampton. The other conclusion is that none of the 'chiefs' knew/know what they are doing and pass the buck to others in the department who know nothing either having been recently 'redeployed' and it is these people (being redeployed) that have replaced the knowledgeable, experienced staff that prevented situations such as this occurring. Wonder how many or if any of the council staff that were 'redeployed' have a political preference, if so I wonder, what that would be....mmmmm...[/p][/quote]The council is chock full of dimwits, who ever is in charge should be fired as there is no vision, no planning and no intelligence evident in the way the City traffic is managed.[/p][/quote]No qualifications evident either! Unless you count being a fully paid union member. I for one would be interested to see the relevent academic proof that these people are fully worthy of their positions/titles I believe that I can be whatever I want, it just depends on how much I am willing to put in. So to me it doesn't matter who you are or what job you have just as long as that person at least has the decency to be worthy of that post.[/p][/quote]Wow, you certainly make a lot of 'claims' in your posts. Evidence? Not sure what qualifications you have to 'guarantee' a set of traffic lights will never break down..... It's the 'dimwits' you talk about who managed to secure the funding for this innovative and forward thinking road improvement scheme. Anyone who thinks major road schemes can be undertaken in any City centre without causing delays is a dimwit in my opinion.[/p][/quote]Never a truer word spoken ..... or posted[/p][/quote]talk about a truer word spoken? from a post by a Lying Labour Councillor that's a good one![/p][/quote]Thats rich coming from a lying hypocrite like you. . Anyway where is your proof that i am w anything to do with the council. . Or are you doing you silly act of guessing ... oh and lying again. Lone Ranger.

5:12pm Sat 14 Dec 13

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
Ronnie G wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
Ronnie G wrote: We've had cruise ships docking for years with no major problems, the focus I feel should be placed on the super ignorance of the department for southampton city council transport. The department is the only one in a position to take a look at this and decide whether to work together with the rest of southampton and make it easier on their voters of Southampton. The other conclusion is that none of the 'chiefs' knew/know what they are doing and pass the buck to others in the department who know nothing either having been recently 'redeployed' and it is these people (being redeployed) that have replaced the knowledgeable, experienced staff that prevented situations such as this occurring. Wonder how many or if any of the council staff that were 'redeployed' have a political preference, if so I wonder, what that would be....mmmmm...
The council is chock full of dimwits, who ever is in charge should be fired as there is no vision, no planning and no intelligence evident in the way the City traffic is managed.
No qualifications evident either! Unless you count being a fully paid union member. I for one would be interested to see the relevent academic proof that these people are fully worthy of their positions/titles I believe that I can be whatever I want, it just depends on how much I am willing to put in. So to me it doesn't matter who you are or what job you have just as long as that person at least has the decency to be worthy of that post.
Wow, you certainly make a lot of 'claims' in your posts. Evidence? Not sure what qualifications you have to 'guarantee' a set of traffic lights will never break down..... It's the 'dimwits' you talk about who managed to secure the funding for this innovative and forward thinking road improvement scheme. Anyone who thinks major road schemes can be undertaken in any City centre without causing delays is a dimwit in my opinion.
Never a truer word spoken ..... or posted
talk about a truer word spoken? from a post by a Lying Labour Councillor that's a good one!
Thats rich coming from a lying hypocrite like you.
.
Anyway where is your proof that i am w anything to do with the council.
.
Or are you doing you silly act of guessing ... oh and lying again.
Lying hypocrite? really so no proof I'm a liar & definitely no reason to call me a hypocrite unlike you hey councillor?
MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY NEW YEAR now stop being a coward & tell us your real name otherwise I'll continue to call you a Lying Labour councillor & unless you can prove your not as they say if the cap fits!
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: We've had cruise ships docking for years with no major problems, the focus I feel should be placed on the super ignorance of the department for southampton city council transport. The department is the only one in a position to take a look at this and decide whether to work together with the rest of southampton and make it easier on their voters of Southampton. The other conclusion is that none of the 'chiefs' knew/know what they are doing and pass the buck to others in the department who know nothing either having been recently 'redeployed' and it is these people (being redeployed) that have replaced the knowledgeable, experienced staff that prevented situations such as this occurring. Wonder how many or if any of the council staff that were 'redeployed' have a political preference, if so I wonder, what that would be....mmmmm...[/p][/quote]The council is chock full of dimwits, who ever is in charge should be fired as there is no vision, no planning and no intelligence evident in the way the City traffic is managed.[/p][/quote]No qualifications evident either! Unless you count being a fully paid union member. I for one would be interested to see the relevent academic proof that these people are fully worthy of their positions/titles I believe that I can be whatever I want, it just depends on how much I am willing to put in. So to me it doesn't matter who you are or what job you have just as long as that person at least has the decency to be worthy of that post.[/p][/quote]Wow, you certainly make a lot of 'claims' in your posts. Evidence? Not sure what qualifications you have to 'guarantee' a set of traffic lights will never break down..... It's the 'dimwits' you talk about who managed to secure the funding for this innovative and forward thinking road improvement scheme. Anyone who thinks major road schemes can be undertaken in any City centre without causing delays is a dimwit in my opinion.[/p][/quote]Never a truer word spoken ..... or posted[/p][/quote]talk about a truer word spoken? from a post by a Lying Labour Councillor that's a good one![/p][/quote]Thats rich coming from a lying hypocrite like you. . Anyway where is your proof that i am w anything to do with the council. . Or are you doing you silly act of guessing ... oh and lying again.[/p][/quote]Lying hypocrite? really so no proof I'm a liar & definitely no reason to call me a hypocrite unlike you hey councillor? MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY NEW YEAR now stop being a coward & tell us your real name otherwise I'll continue to call you a Lying Labour councillor & unless you can prove your not as they say if the cap fits! loosehead

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