Who is to blame for traffic chaos in Southampton city centre?

Daily Echo: Who is to blame for traffic chaos in city? Who is to blame for traffic chaos in city?

RED-FACED transport chiefs are today holding top-level talks after traffic ground to a halt in Southampton city centre for the second time in two weeks.

The meeting comes after thousands of motorists were caught in jams as severe gridlock paralysed roads around the city’s docks.

A quadruple whammy of major roadworks, thick fog, two cruise ships in port and thousands of Christmas shoppers pouring into the city conspired to cause chaos – just 15 days after horrendous jams caused even worse misery.

One taxi firm boss reported a half-mile journey taking more than an hour – with some of his drivers giving up and going home for the day – while cruise passengers waited nearly an hour to get out of the port.

Last night business owners and opposition politicians branded it a “humiliation” for the city in the run-up to the festive season and demanded that city council chiefs rethink two sets of roadworks in Platform Road and Itchen Bridge.

Today council transport executive Cllr Jacqui Rayment will meet the council’s transport officers and the authority’s roadworks contractor Balfour Beatty.

Cllr Rayment, who was herself stuck in the jams, refused to comment about whether the works would be rescheduled ahead of Christmas to ease the misery.

But last night she said: “There were some problems at Dock Gate 4 today and I have called for a special meeting tomorrow to see if there’s anything more we can do.

“I want to be reassured we are doing everything we can.”

The works include creating a cycle-friendly junction near Central Bridge and work to convert Platform Road and Town Quay into a dual carriageway.

The delays mainly affected the Dock Gate 4 area, with Platform Road, Terminus Terrace, Canute Road, Itchen Bridge and West Quay Road affected as the Queen Mary and Queen Victoria cruise liners docked in the city.

West Quay Cars boss Lee Haynes, whose drivers were beset with delays, said: “It makes Southampton look stupid.

We’ve got people coming into the city for cruise ships who have spent a fortune on their holiday and they are faced with this.

“The council hasn’t learned its lesson from last time.”

Balfour Beatty tried to ease the flow by changing the light sequencing controls in Saltmarsh Road and begging port owners Associated British Ports (ABP) to speed vehicle checks in the docks.

But traffic lights in Terminus Terrace also broke down for nearly two hours, meaning stop and go boards were used.

Tory opposition leader Cllr Royston Smith branded it a “humiliation”, saying it would put off Christmas shoppers, and added: “This has happened just days after previous problems.

“The council hasn’t learned from it and it’s damaging to business and the city’s reputation.

“They need to take responsibility.”

But in an earlier statement issued by the city council’s press office, Cllr Rayment apologised to motorists but stressed that the works were essential in improving the city’s infrastructure and docks expansion.

She added: “There will be occasions when there is simply more traffic on the roads than usual.

“Christmas is the busiest time of year for most cities around the country and Southampton is no exception.”

Meanwhile the thick fog also caused delays at Southampton Airport, Red Funnel Ferries and Southampton Container Port yesterday.

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11:38am Thu 12 Dec 13

Sebastian Rutter says...

“Christmas is the busiest time of year for most cities around the country and Southampton is no exception.”

... which is probably why you don't schedule two major sets of city centre roadworks to take place over Christmas.
“Christmas is the busiest time of year for most cities around the country and Southampton is no exception.” ... which is probably why you don't schedule two major sets of city centre roadworks to take place over Christmas. Sebastian Rutter

11:47am Thu 12 Dec 13

J.P.M... says...

Sebastian Rutter wrote:
“Christmas is the busiest time of year for most cities around the country and Southampton is no exception.”

... which is probably why you don't schedule two major sets of city centre roadworks to take place over Christmas.
agreed - what a moronic comment. just goes to show that anyone can become a councillor
[quote][p][bold]Sebastian Rutter[/bold] wrote: “Christmas is the busiest time of year for most cities around the country and Southampton is no exception.” ... which is probably why you don't schedule two major sets of city centre roadworks to take place over Christmas.[/p][/quote]agreed - what a moronic comment. just goes to show that anyone can become a councillor J.P.M...

11:53am Thu 12 Dec 13

redsnapper says...

" “I want to be reassured we are doing everything we can.”

which is absolutely nothing Cllr Rayment except make the matters 10 x worse by doing all the road works now.

Brainless!!
" “I want to be reassured we are doing everything we can.” which is absolutely nothing Cllr Rayment except make the matters 10 x worse by doing all the road works now. Brainless!! redsnapper

11:58am Thu 12 Dec 13

CarlyKin says...

Sebastian Rutter wrote:
“Christmas is the busiest time of year for most cities around the country and Southampton is no exception.”

... which is probably why you don't schedule two major sets of city centre roadworks to take place over Christmas.
Exactly what I was going to say! Absolute joke
[quote][p][bold]Sebastian Rutter[/bold] wrote: “Christmas is the busiest time of year for most cities around the country and Southampton is no exception.” ... which is probably why you don't schedule two major sets of city centre roadworks to take place over Christmas.[/p][/quote]Exactly what I was going to say! Absolute joke CarlyKin

11:59am Thu 12 Dec 13

News Fanatic says...

The most sensible solution would be to suspend road works on days when there are cruise ships in the eastern docks, using dock gate 4 for passenger access.
The most sensible solution would be to suspend road works on days when there are cruise ships in the eastern docks, using dock gate 4 for passenger access. News Fanatic

12:02pm Thu 12 Dec 13

andreww says...

'Balfour Beatty tried to ease the flow by changing the light sequencing controls in Saltmarsh Road and begging port owners Associated British Ports (ABP) to speed vehicle checks in the docks. '

Surely Vehicle checks at security with ABP should not be compromised?
'Balfour Beatty tried to ease the flow by changing the light sequencing controls in Saltmarsh Road and begging port owners Associated British Ports (ABP) to speed vehicle checks in the docks. ' Surely Vehicle checks at security with ABP should not be compromised? andreww

12:03pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Mary80 says...

Its naff all to do with how many cruise ships are in port we've had them for near 20 years and had NO traffic problems, its because for some dumb reason our town decides to do a dozen road works all at once in the town, and lets face it the road design is absolute tripe and badly designed for the sheer amount of traffic that comes in and out. Most of our roads get congested and it needs sorting out because a lot of people avoid the city centre due to all of the chaos
Its naff all to do with how many cruise ships are in port we've had them for near 20 years and had NO traffic problems, its because for some dumb reason our town decides to do a dozen road works all at once in the town, and lets face it the road design is absolute tripe and badly designed for the sheer amount of traffic that comes in and out. Most of our roads get congested and it needs sorting out because a lot of people avoid the city centre due to all of the chaos Mary80

12:11pm Thu 12 Dec 13

George4th says...

Labour's specialty is organising chaos!
You've only got to look at the last Labour government for confirmation! Southampton's ruling Labour Council has gone from one disaster to another so we shouldn't be surprised about the current traffic jams!
Labour's specialty is organising chaos! You've only got to look at the last Labour government for confirmation! Southampton's ruling Labour Council has gone from one disaster to another so we shouldn't be surprised about the current traffic jams! George4th

12:16pm Thu 12 Dec 13

southy says...

The problem is the type of Council we have had over the last 20 years, they all have been throwing plans into one small area of the city and ignored the the suburbs of the city
The problem is the type of Council we have had over the last 20 years, they all have been throwing plans into one small area of the city and ignored the the suburbs of the city southy

12:19pm Thu 12 Dec 13

glented says...

The timing and planning of these works is what requires investigation. The council and contractors appear to be blaming causes outside of their control however undertaking numerous major works all together is.

Maybe some traffic police could help the situation during peak times
The timing and planning of these works is what requires investigation. The council and contractors appear to be blaming causes outside of their control however undertaking numerous major works all together is. Maybe some traffic police could help the situation during peak times glented

12:34pm Thu 12 Dec 13

dango says...

News Fanatic wrote:
The most sensible solution would be to suspend road works on days when there are cruise ships in the eastern docks, using dock gate 4 for passenger access.
except you can't simply fill in the holes, remove temporary barriers, cones and traffic lights from one day to the next.

Think, McFly THINK!
[quote][p][bold]News Fanatic[/bold] wrote: The most sensible solution would be to suspend road works on days when there are cruise ships in the eastern docks, using dock gate 4 for passenger access.[/p][/quote]except you can't simply fill in the holes, remove temporary barriers, cones and traffic lights from one day to the next. Think, McFly THINK! dango

12:44pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Brusher Mills says...

Surly the work on Central bridge should have been done when it was closed for a year. Also what is the point if this duel carriage way it will just bottleneck up when it goes back to a single lane.
Surly the work on Central bridge should have been done when it was closed for a year. Also what is the point if this duel carriage way it will just bottleneck up when it goes back to a single lane. Brusher Mills

12:44pm Thu 12 Dec 13

southy says...

glented wrote:
The timing and planning of these works is what requires investigation. The council and contractors appear to be blaming causes outside of their control however undertaking numerous major works all together is.

Maybe some traffic police could help the situation during peak times
If the city planning was done right in the first place then there would be no need to worry about road works, but because of whats been happen in the last 20 years with each council by throwing every thing down in one small area its going to get congested with traffic, they should of spread things though out the city.
[quote][p][bold]glented[/bold] wrote: The timing and planning of these works is what requires investigation. The council and contractors appear to be blaming causes outside of their control however undertaking numerous major works all together is. Maybe some traffic police could help the situation during peak times[/p][/quote]If the city planning was done right in the first place then there would be no need to worry about road works, but because of whats been happen in the last 20 years with each council by throwing every thing down in one small area its going to get congested with traffic, they should of spread things though out the city. southy

12:44pm Thu 12 Dec 13

St Retford says...

You know what's needed? Trams. Trams everywhere. Trams are great.
You know what's needed? Trams. Trams everywhere. Trams are great. St Retford

12:48pm Thu 12 Dec 13

loosehead says...

Christmas time? Cruise ships? okay this time of year has less cruise ships but are they really a problem? most terminals are now in the new docks & traffic can use dock gate 20 so it's usually just Cunards ships at dock gate 4.
a poster said we've had cruise ships for 20years? funny I'm 57 in January & they were here before I was born with absolutely no problem.
Maybe all road works can only be carried out from 6pm to 6am & on Sundays?
Or only dock related traffic can use these roads whilst the works are on going & the rest will have to use Northam Bridge but how much revenue would that lose this city?
Maybe just block off the road along the docks & send all bridge traffic over the small bridge & into town could be the answer ( all but dock related traffic)?
Christmas time? Cruise ships? okay this time of year has less cruise ships but are they really a problem? most terminals are now in the new docks & traffic can use dock gate 20 so it's usually just Cunards ships at dock gate 4. a poster said we've had cruise ships for 20years? funny I'm 57 in January & they were here before I was born with absolutely no problem. Maybe all road works can only be carried out from 6pm to 6am & on Sundays? Or only dock related traffic can use these roads whilst the works are on going & the rest will have to use Northam Bridge but how much revenue would that lose this city? Maybe just block off the road along the docks & send all bridge traffic over the small bridge & into town could be the answer ( all but dock related traffic)? loosehead

12:54pm Thu 12 Dec 13

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

southampton has been a long time stupid ,left in the dust by other places.
southampton has been a long time stupid ,left in the dust by other places. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.

12:59pm Thu 12 Dec 13

speedicut says...

Road works are being carried out now because funding for the projects (awarded by the government) has to be spent before the end of the financial year.

Dango is correct in that you can't simply remove the road works on a day when you think traffic will be bad (not without massively increasing the cost of the project anway).
Road works are being carried out now because funding for the projects (awarded by the government) has to be spent before the end of the financial year. Dango is correct in that you can't simply remove the road works on a day when you think traffic will be bad (not without massively increasing the cost of the project anway). speedicut

1:01pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Charlie Bucket says...

Sebastian Rutter wrote:
“Christmas is the busiest time of year for most cities around the country and Southampton is no exception.”

... which is probably why you don't schedule two major sets of city centre roadworks to take place over Christmas.
Take your rational thinking and get out of here!
[quote][p][bold]Sebastian Rutter[/bold] wrote: “Christmas is the busiest time of year for most cities around the country and Southampton is no exception.” ... which is probably why you don't schedule two major sets of city centre roadworks to take place over Christmas.[/p][/quote]Take your rational thinking and get out of here! Charlie Bucket

1:25pm Thu 12 Dec 13

hulla baloo says...

Brusher Mills wrote:
Surly the work on Central bridge should have been done when it was closed for a year. Also what is the point if this duel carriage way it will just bottleneck up when it goes back to a single lane.
Duel carriage way? Interesting idea. What time do the councillors use this road?
[quote][p][bold]Brusher Mills[/bold] wrote: Surly the work on Central bridge should have been done when it was closed for a year. Also what is the point if this duel carriage way it will just bottleneck up when it goes back to a single lane.[/p][/quote]Duel carriage way? Interesting idea. What time do the councillors use this road? hulla baloo

1:25pm Thu 12 Dec 13

hulla baloo says...

Brusher Mills wrote:
Surly the work on Central bridge should have been done when it was closed for a year. Also what is the point if this duel carriage way it will just bottleneck up when it goes back to a single lane.
Duel carriage way? Interesting idea. What time do the councillors use this road?
[quote][p][bold]Brusher Mills[/bold] wrote: Surly the work on Central bridge should have been done when it was closed for a year. Also what is the point if this duel carriage way it will just bottleneck up when it goes back to a single lane.[/p][/quote]Duel carriage way? Interesting idea. What time do the councillors use this road? hulla baloo

1:36pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Charlie Bucket says...

hulla baloo wrote:
Brusher Mills wrote:
Surly the work on Central bridge should have been done when it was closed for a year. Also what is the point if this duel carriage way it will just bottleneck up when it goes back to a single lane.
Duel carriage way? Interesting idea. What time do the councillors use this road?
Dawn, obviously.
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brusher Mills[/bold] wrote: Surly the work on Central bridge should have been done when it was closed for a year. Also what is the point if this duel carriage way it will just bottleneck up when it goes back to a single lane.[/p][/quote]Duel carriage way? Interesting idea. What time do the councillors use this road?[/p][/quote]Dawn, obviously. Charlie Bucket

1:45pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Leesylou67 says...

I am starting a new game, how many excuses can Balfour Beattie come up with before the roadworks are finished? So far we have had 'the perfect storm' which was purely a dark morning in October when it was a bit windy and people were driving to work. The next one was 'cruise ships docked in Southampton', well I never, it is not known as 'home of the cruise ships' for nothing! Yesterday was a good one, part of the the reason for high volume of traffic was the fog, which I could believe at 7:00am but not at 11:00am when it had cleared. I await your next excuses Balfour Beattie.
I am starting a new game, how many excuses can Balfour Beattie come up with before the roadworks are finished? So far we have had 'the perfect storm' which was purely a dark morning in October when it was a bit windy and people were driving to work. The next one was 'cruise ships docked in Southampton', well I never, it is not known as 'home of the cruise ships' for nothing! Yesterday was a good one, part of the the reason for high volume of traffic was the fog, which I could believe at 7:00am but not at 11:00am when it had cleared. I await your next excuses Balfour Beattie. Leesylou67

2:15pm Thu 12 Dec 13

seatraders says...

Has anybody thought for one moment that the reason the roadworks are being done is to ensure that the roads are fit for the future. Some pain now for some future gain.

Before we criticise now why not wait until they are finished and then see if they work? I have sympathy for SCC, it can't be easy upgrading a major arterial route through a city, into the UK's premier cruise por,t whilst allowing people to still use it!

Shut up your whinging and keep your thoughts to yourselves UNTIL the works are finished and the new toy is properly out of the box!

Sam Mifsud
Has anybody thought for one moment that the reason the roadworks are being done is to ensure that the roads are fit for the future. Some pain now for some future gain. Before we criticise now why not wait until they are finished and then see if they work? I have sympathy for SCC, it can't be easy upgrading a major arterial route through a city, into the UK's premier cruise por,t whilst allowing people to still use it! Shut up your whinging and keep your thoughts to yourselves UNTIL the works are finished and the new toy is properly out of the box! Sam Mifsud seatraders

2:27pm Thu 12 Dec 13

mickey01 says...

seatraders wrote:
Has anybody thought for one moment that the reason the roadworks are being done is to ensure that the roads are fit for the future. Some pain now for some future gain.

Before we criticise now why not wait until they are finished and then see if they work? I have sympathy for SCC, it can't be easy upgrading a major arterial route through a city, into the UK's premier cruise por,t whilst allowing people to still use it!

Shut up your whinging and keep your thoughts to yourselves UNTIL the works are finished and the new toy is properly out of the box!

Sam Mifsud
must be a cyclist !! its them to blame
[quote][p][bold]seatraders[/bold] wrote: Has anybody thought for one moment that the reason the roadworks are being done is to ensure that the roads are fit for the future. Some pain now for some future gain. Before we criticise now why not wait until they are finished and then see if they work? I have sympathy for SCC, it can't be easy upgrading a major arterial route through a city, into the UK's premier cruise por,t whilst allowing people to still use it! Shut up your whinging and keep your thoughts to yourselves UNTIL the works are finished and the new toy is properly out of the box! Sam Mifsud[/p][/quote]must be a cyclist !! its them to blame mickey01

2:34pm Thu 12 Dec 13

sainthog7 says...

They should all resign
They should all resign sainthog7

2:37pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Micle1974 says...

Problem with Southampton is the lack of bridges over the rivers and train lines.
Build another bridge over the river, because its not just Itchen / Central Bridge that is chocker, its Northam, Cobden and Mansbridge as well!

Oh while your there build a park and ride system too!
Problem with Southampton is the lack of bridges over the rivers and train lines. Build another bridge over the river, because its not just Itchen / Central Bridge that is chocker, its Northam, Cobden and Mansbridge as well! Oh while your there build a park and ride system too! Micle1974

2:45pm Thu 12 Dec 13

good-gosh says...

Traffic flow is a fluid process that need close control when approaching overload. Incoming traffic needs to be held up at the city boundaries to allow those in the city to circulate freely. Circulation can be maximised by giving priority to internal destinations (docks and parking, etc) and giving priority to traffic wanting to leave the city. Better to hold up traffic at the boundaries than to case gridlock that holds up everyone even longer.
Traffic flow is a fluid process that need close control when approaching overload. Incoming traffic needs to be held up at the city boundaries to allow those in the city to circulate freely. Circulation can be maximised by giving priority to internal destinations (docks and parking, etc) and giving priority to traffic wanting to leave the city. Better to hold up traffic at the boundaries than to case gridlock that holds up everyone even longer. good-gosh

2:55pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

good-gosh wrote:
Traffic flow is a fluid process that need close control when approaching overload. Incoming traffic needs to be held up at the city boundaries to allow those in the city to circulate freely. Circulation can be maximised by giving priority to internal destinations (docks and parking, etc) and giving priority to traffic wanting to leave the city. Better to hold up traffic at the boundaries than to case gridlock that holds up everyone even longer.
Oh dont come on here absolute common sense ........ you're taking the attention away from the loonies !!!
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Traffic flow is a fluid process that need close control when approaching overload. Incoming traffic needs to be held up at the city boundaries to allow those in the city to circulate freely. Circulation can be maximised by giving priority to internal destinations (docks and parking, etc) and giving priority to traffic wanting to leave the city. Better to hold up traffic at the boundaries than to case gridlock that holds up everyone even longer.[/p][/quote]Oh dont come on here absolute common sense ........ you're taking the attention away from the loonies !!! Lone Ranger.

3:01pm Thu 12 Dec 13

03alpe01 says...

Southampton City Council. No Park and Ride scheme, all the developments shoved into about 3-4 miles of City Centre space and nothing anywhere else in the City. That said, Woolston is dire. Too many flats and not enough parking. Roadworks at this time of the year is a ludicrous idea, it is not the cruise ship's fault- they've been here years with no problems. Southampton City Council cares not for traffic or its residents. Just short term money gain. Oh, and expanding West Quay. As long as West Quay is expanded, then Southampton City Council will be happy as larry, no matter what traffic problems arise.
Southampton City Council. No Park and Ride scheme, all the developments shoved into about 3-4 miles of City Centre space and nothing anywhere else in the City. That said, Woolston is dire. Too many flats and not enough parking. Roadworks at this time of the year is a ludicrous idea, it is not the cruise ship's fault- they've been here years with no problems. Southampton City Council cares not for traffic or its residents. Just short term money gain. Oh, and expanding West Quay. As long as West Quay is expanded, then Southampton City Council will be happy as larry, no matter what traffic problems arise. 03alpe01

3:17pm Thu 12 Dec 13

befriendly says...

Drive round to Hythe and catch the ferry, then the free bus to Waterstones or the Marland Centre and its only a ten minute walk when there's gridlock. Simples.
Drive round to Hythe and catch the ferry, then the free bus to Waterstones or the Marland Centre and its only a ten minute walk when there's gridlock. Simples. befriendly

3:20pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Mr saint76 says...

Lee Haynes is not a taxi firm boss. He has no taxis only private hire cars. Taxi's can be hailed in the street his car's can't.PRE BOOKED ONLY.
That's what the law says anyway.
Lee Haynes is not a taxi firm boss. He has no taxis only private hire cars. Taxi's can be hailed in the street his car's can't.PRE BOOKED ONLY. That's what the law says anyway. Mr saint76

3:28pm Thu 12 Dec 13

rightway says...

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the only way to ease the city’s congestion chaos is JETPACKS.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the only way to ease the city’s congestion chaos is JETPACKS. rightway

3:39pm Thu 12 Dec 13

News Fanatic says...

George4th wrote:
Labour's specialty is organising chaos!
You've only got to look at the last Labour government for confirmation! Southampton's ruling Labour Council has gone from one disaster to another so we shouldn't be surprised about the current traffic jams!
I am all for blaming politicians when they get things wrong but do you seriously think that the decision about road works was a political one? It was almost certain taken by the council officers, the permanent staff, and this situation would alos have arisen had the Tories still been in power.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: Labour's specialty is organising chaos! You've only got to look at the last Labour government for confirmation! Southampton's ruling Labour Council has gone from one disaster to another so we shouldn't be surprised about the current traffic jams![/p][/quote]I am all for blaming politicians when they get things wrong but do you seriously think that the decision about road works was a political one? It was almost certain taken by the council officers, the permanent staff, and this situation would alos have arisen had the Tories still been in power. News Fanatic

3:47pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Cyber__Fug says...

southy wrote:
The problem is the type of Council we have had over the last 20 years, they all have been throwing plans into one small area of the city and ignored the the suburbs of the city
What should they have put in the suburbs then ? The docks ? West Quay Shopping centre ? The High Street ? or maybe the Red Funnel terminal ?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The problem is the type of Council we have had over the last 20 years, they all have been throwing plans into one small area of the city and ignored the the suburbs of the city[/p][/quote]What should they have put in the suburbs then ? The docks ? West Quay Shopping centre ? The High Street ? or maybe the Red Funnel terminal ? Cyber__Fug

3:47pm Thu 12 Dec 13

phil maccavity says...

St Retford wrote:
You know what's needed? Trams. Trams everywhere. Trams are great.
St R
Think tram systems work well in some areas.
Not so sure the geography of Southampton is particularly well suited though
The potential disruption building the system would put the current problems in the shade I reckon.
Has anyone been following the drawn out tram story in Edinburgh?
Perhaps plans for the elevated transport system proposed in the 70/80's should be brought out of the archives?
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: You know what's needed? Trams. Trams everywhere. Trams are great.[/p][/quote]St R Think tram systems work well in some areas. Not so sure the geography of Southampton is particularly well suited though The potential disruption building the system would put the current problems in the shade I reckon. Has anyone been following the drawn out tram story in Edinburgh? Perhaps plans for the elevated transport system proposed in the 70/80's should be brought out of the archives? phil maccavity

4:02pm Thu 12 Dec 13

bigfella777 says...

It's down to all the idiots who keep getting into there cars. The council are trying to make improvements to the road system and all people can do is moan instead of car sharing, walking, cycling or using public transport. Just let them stew in the queue's.
It's down to all the idiots who keep getting into there cars. The council are trying to make improvements to the road system and all people can do is moan instead of car sharing, walking, cycling or using public transport. Just let them stew in the queue's. bigfella777

4:12pm Thu 12 Dec 13

michaelp42 says...

Hasn't the policy of Southampton City Council been to hinder traffic flow in the city rather than to help it?
Hasn't the policy of Southampton City Council been to hinder traffic flow in the city rather than to help it? michaelp42

4:13pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Yoda Master says...

Can I add that its NOT the city council that look after the road network now, its BALFOUR's. Yes the council agree plans / builds etc but provisions are put in place and assurances are made by the Traffic Management Dept in BALFOURS that if these works go ahead the will accomadate the traffic volume. WRONG they cant!. Balfours employees dont have the experience the city council's ROMANSE dept used to have. Are Balfours CCTV operatives expert in the operation of SCOOT control at signalised jct's? can they hurry call traffic through looking at upstream and progressive movement at various regional locations? NO they cant. They are very good at CCTV im not questioning that, they just dont have the expertise from past City council employees. And where are the experts now? Traffic systems Manager - 20yrs+ experience @ West Sussex Council, Traffic Engineer - 14yrs experience in traffic signal & traffic management working for SCC - Ports Council, 4 x excellent CCTV operators trained in traffic control AND CCTV - made redundant!, the list goes on and on.........The close nit working between planned works / traffic signals and CCTV has long gone people of Southampton. Be prepared for more days like this....you have been warned.
Can I add that its NOT the city council that look after the road network now, its BALFOUR's. Yes the council agree plans / builds etc but provisions are put in place and assurances are made by the Traffic Management Dept in BALFOURS that if these works go ahead the will accomadate the traffic volume. WRONG they cant!. Balfours employees dont have the experience the city council's ROMANSE dept used to have. Are Balfours CCTV operatives expert in the operation of SCOOT control at signalised jct's? can they hurry call traffic through looking at upstream and progressive movement at various regional locations? NO they cant. They are very good at CCTV im not questioning that, they just dont have the expertise from past City council employees. And where are the experts now? Traffic systems Manager - 20yrs+ experience @ West Sussex Council, Traffic Engineer - 14yrs experience in traffic signal & traffic management working for SCC - Ports Council, 4 x excellent CCTV operators trained in traffic control AND CCTV - made redundant!, the list goes on and on.........The close nit working between planned works / traffic signals and CCTV has long gone people of Southampton. Be prepared for more days like this....you have been warned. Yoda Master

4:24pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Datarater says...

The root cause is Sotonians voted in Labour. Will they ever learn?
The root cause is Sotonians voted in Labour. Will they ever learn? Datarater

4:35pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Dasal says...

phil maccavity wrote:
St Retford wrote:
You know what's needed? Trams. Trams everywhere. Trams are great.
St R
Think tram systems work well in some areas.
Not so sure the geography of Southampton is particularly well suited though
The potential disruption building the system would put the current problems in the shade I reckon.
Has anyone been following the drawn out tram story in Edinburgh?
Perhaps plans for the elevated transport system proposed in the 70/80's should be brought out of the archives?
............and don't forget the ice rink !!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: You know what's needed? Trams. Trams everywhere. Trams are great.[/p][/quote]St R Think tram systems work well in some areas. Not so sure the geography of Southampton is particularly well suited though The potential disruption building the system would put the current problems in the shade I reckon. Has anyone been following the drawn out tram story in Edinburgh? Perhaps plans for the elevated transport system proposed in the 70/80's should be brought out of the archives?[/p][/quote]............and don't forget the ice rink !!!!!!! Dasal

4:54pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

Datarater wrote:
The root cause is Sotonians voted in Labour. Will they ever learn?
Ahhh the Numpties are still about ......... Long live the Numpties ... without you we would have nothing to laugh at ....... Keep posting
[quote][p][bold]Datarater[/bold] wrote: The root cause is Sotonians voted in Labour. Will they ever learn?[/p][/quote]Ahhh the Numpties are still about ......... Long live the Numpties ... without you we would have nothing to laugh at ....... Keep posting Lone Ranger.

4:54pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Tommo85 says...

The whole of Southampton is nothing short of shambolic when it comes to traffic management. I work shifts and am therefore lucky enough to drive mostly at quiet hours yet the number of times I get stopped at a red light when there's no cars at any of the other junctions is unbelievable. If i were to drive from near the red funnel to bursledon tesco's via the northam bridge there are 35/37 sets of traffic lights on my route(!!!!) Going over the Itchen bridge there are fewer but the problem I find with the itchen bridge is that often the road leading upto it are clogged up with people going to the cruise terminals, it's often backed up along marsh lane/terminus terrace so traffic wishing to leave the city is also caught up in the queue. Then coming into the city from the bridge, you end up snarled on the central bridge as cruise ship traffic is often blocking the exit onto terminus road leading round to bernard street. Surely something as simple as yellow boxes on this particular junction and a proper filter system for traffic wishing to use the itchen bridge would help allieve some congestion? Also speaking of traffic lights, anyone else frustrated by the lights on the left turn at northam road into kingsway? Often sat there with nothing coming many a time. Surely this isn't good for the environment and the waste on powering these lights must cost a bit! Before the nimbys complain about car use, if you can find a bus that'll get me to/from work at 6am/10pm that takes less than 30 minutes (takes 15 in the car except in traffic) then I'd absolutely use it. Biking is a bit out of the question- have you ever rode a bike along portsmouth road?!? It's a deathwish for cyclists!!
The whole of Southampton is nothing short of shambolic when it comes to traffic management. I work shifts and am therefore lucky enough to drive mostly at quiet hours yet the number of times I get stopped at a red light when there's no cars at any of the other junctions is unbelievable. If i were to drive from near the red funnel to bursledon tesco's via the northam bridge there are 35/37 sets of traffic lights on my route(!!!!) Going over the Itchen bridge there are fewer but the problem I find with the itchen bridge is that often the road leading upto it are clogged up with people going to the cruise terminals, it's often backed up along marsh lane/terminus terrace so traffic wishing to leave the city is also caught up in the queue. Then coming into the city from the bridge, you end up snarled on the central bridge as cruise ship traffic is often blocking the exit onto terminus road leading round to bernard street. Surely something as simple as yellow boxes on this particular junction and a proper filter system for traffic wishing to use the itchen bridge would help allieve some congestion? Also speaking of traffic lights, anyone else frustrated by the lights on the left turn at northam road into kingsway? Often sat there with nothing coming many a time. Surely this isn't good for the environment and the waste on powering these lights must cost a bit! Before the nimbys complain about car use, if you can find a bus that'll get me to/from work at 6am/10pm that takes less than 30 minutes (takes 15 in the car except in traffic) then I'd absolutely use it. Biking is a bit out of the question- have you ever rode a bike along portsmouth road?!? It's a deathwish for cyclists!! Tommo85

4:56pm Thu 12 Dec 13

redsnapper says...

Yoda Master wrote:
Can I add that its NOT the city council that look after the road network now, its BALFOUR's. Yes the council agree plans / builds etc but provisions are put in place and assurances are made by the Traffic Management Dept in BALFOURS that if these works go ahead the will accomadate the traffic volume. WRONG they cant!. Balfours employees dont have the experience the city council's ROMANSE dept used to have. Are Balfours CCTV operatives expert in the operation of SCOOT control at signalised jct's? can they hurry call traffic through looking at upstream and progressive movement at various regional locations? NO they cant. They are very good at CCTV im not questioning that, they just dont have the expertise from past City council employees. And where are the experts now? Traffic systems Manager - 20yrs+ experience @ West Sussex Council, Traffic Engineer - 14yrs experience in traffic signal & traffic management working for SCC - Ports Council, 4 x excellent CCTV operators trained in traffic control AND CCTV - made redundant!, the list goes on and on.........The close nit working between planned works / traffic signals and CCTV has long gone people of Southampton. Be prepared for more days like this....you have been warned.
Wrong, the council jobsworths grant the permits to work surely and/or appoint the contractor and set the performance and delivery targets.

Only people lacking in braincells like Rayment and Co will have scheduled all this road work in December.

So next time you look at your council tax contribution be happy that 25% of it goes into the council jobsworths pension pots.

I'm not councils and councillors everywhere cause many of the problems the rest of us face.
[quote][p][bold]Yoda Master[/bold] wrote: Can I add that its NOT the city council that look after the road network now, its BALFOUR's. Yes the council agree plans / builds etc but provisions are put in place and assurances are made by the Traffic Management Dept in BALFOURS that if these works go ahead the will accomadate the traffic volume. WRONG they cant!. Balfours employees dont have the experience the city council's ROMANSE dept used to have. Are Balfours CCTV operatives expert in the operation of SCOOT control at signalised jct's? can they hurry call traffic through looking at upstream and progressive movement at various regional locations? NO they cant. They are very good at CCTV im not questioning that, they just dont have the expertise from past City council employees. And where are the experts now? Traffic systems Manager - 20yrs+ experience @ West Sussex Council, Traffic Engineer - 14yrs experience in traffic signal & traffic management working for SCC - Ports Council, 4 x excellent CCTV operators trained in traffic control AND CCTV - made redundant!, the list goes on and on.........The close nit working between planned works / traffic signals and CCTV has long gone people of Southampton. Be prepared for more days like this....you have been warned.[/p][/quote]Wrong, the council jobsworths grant the permits to work surely and/or appoint the contractor and set the performance and delivery targets. Only people lacking in braincells like Rayment and Co will have scheduled all this road work in December. So next time you look at your council tax contribution be happy that 25% of it goes into the council jobsworths pension pots. I'm not councils and councillors everywhere cause many of the problems the rest of us face. redsnapper

5:07pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Yoda Master says...

redsnapper wrote:
Yoda Master wrote: Can I add that its NOT the city council that look after the road network now, its BALFOUR's. Yes the council agree plans / builds etc but provisions are put in place and assurances are made by the Traffic Management Dept in BALFOURS that if these works go ahead the will accomadate the traffic volume. WRONG they cant!. Balfours employees dont have the experience the city council's ROMANSE dept used to have. Are Balfours CCTV operatives expert in the operation of SCOOT control at signalised jct's? can they hurry call traffic through looking at upstream and progressive movement at various regional locations? NO they cant. They are very good at CCTV im not questioning that, they just dont have the expertise from past City council employees. And where are the experts now? Traffic systems Manager - 20yrs+ experience @ West Sussex Council, Traffic Engineer - 14yrs experience in traffic signal & traffic management working for SCC - Ports Council, 4 x excellent CCTV operators trained in traffic control AND CCTV - made redundant!, the list goes on and on.........The close nit working between planned works / traffic signals and CCTV has long gone people of Southampton. Be prepared for more days like this....you have been warned.
Wrong, the council jobsworths grant the permits to work surely and/or appoint the contractor and set the performance and delivery targets. Only people lacking in braincells like Rayment and Co will have scheduled all this road work in December. So next time you look at your council tax contribution be happy that 25% of it goes into the council jobsworths pension pots. I'm not councils and councillors everywhere cause many of the problems the rest of us face.
redsnapper - your comments do not make much sense. Yes i agree the council initially request works but i think u will find its Balfours on site at Platform Rd / Canute Rd. Its Balfours that now run the traffic signals / CCTV / traffic management in this city ie Traffic Management means a MANAGEMENT OF THE TRAFFIC. So is the traffic managed very well at the city at present?....... no, are works co-ordinated well with the boat traffic and time of year?.....no. I can appreciate there may be extenuating circumstances sometimes, ie RTA's, highway incidents, Fog bvut this is why you need experts in place with years of exerience who know how the network runs. I know 2 people in Balfours: 1 in Traffic Management and 1 in ITS systems who work hard to achieve this but they cant alone, they need a team with extensive experience..........
trust me its just not there now, and im fairly sure Balfours know it.
[quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yoda Master[/bold] wrote: Can I add that its NOT the city council that look after the road network now, its BALFOUR's. Yes the council agree plans / builds etc but provisions are put in place and assurances are made by the Traffic Management Dept in BALFOURS that if these works go ahead the will accomadate the traffic volume. WRONG they cant!. Balfours employees dont have the experience the city council's ROMANSE dept used to have. Are Balfours CCTV operatives expert in the operation of SCOOT control at signalised jct's? can they hurry call traffic through looking at upstream and progressive movement at various regional locations? NO they cant. They are very good at CCTV im not questioning that, they just dont have the expertise from past City council employees. And where are the experts now? Traffic systems Manager - 20yrs+ experience @ West Sussex Council, Traffic Engineer - 14yrs experience in traffic signal & traffic management working for SCC - Ports Council, 4 x excellent CCTV operators trained in traffic control AND CCTV - made redundant!, the list goes on and on.........The close nit working between planned works / traffic signals and CCTV has long gone people of Southampton. Be prepared for more days like this....you have been warned.[/p][/quote]Wrong, the council jobsworths grant the permits to work surely and/or appoint the contractor and set the performance and delivery targets. Only people lacking in braincells like Rayment and Co will have scheduled all this road work in December. So next time you look at your council tax contribution be happy that 25% of it goes into the council jobsworths pension pots. I'm not councils and councillors everywhere cause many of the problems the rest of us face.[/p][/quote]redsnapper - your comments do not make much sense. Yes i agree the council initially request works but i think u will find its Balfours on site at Platform Rd / Canute Rd. Its Balfours that now run the traffic signals / CCTV / traffic management in this city ie Traffic Management means a MANAGEMENT OF THE TRAFFIC. So is the traffic managed very well at the city at present?....... no, are works co-ordinated well with the boat traffic and time of year?.....no. I can appreciate there may be extenuating circumstances sometimes, ie RTA's, highway incidents, Fog bvut this is why you need experts in place with years of exerience who know how the network runs. I know 2 people in Balfours: 1 in Traffic Management and 1 in ITS systems who work hard to achieve this but they cant alone, they need a team with extensive experience.......... trust me its just not there now, and im fairly sure Balfours know it. Yoda Master

5:12pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Yoda Master says...

Tommo85 wrote:
The whole of Southampton is nothing short of shambolic when it comes to traffic management. I work shifts and am therefore lucky enough to drive mostly at quiet hours yet the number of times I get stopped at a red light when there's no cars at any of the other junctions is unbelievable. If i were to drive from near the red funnel to bursledon tesco's via the northam bridge there are 35/37 sets of traffic lights on my route(!!!!) Going over the Itchen bridge there are fewer but the problem I find with the itchen bridge is that often the road leading upto it are clogged up with people going to the cruise terminals, it's often backed up along marsh lane/terminus terrace so traffic wishing to leave the city is also caught up in the queue. Then coming into the city from the bridge, you end up snarled on the central bridge as cruise ship traffic is often blocking the exit onto terminus road leading round to bernard street. Surely something as simple as yellow boxes on this particular junction and a proper filter system for traffic wishing to use the itchen bridge would help allieve some congestion? Also speaking of traffic lights, anyone else frustrated by the lights on the left turn at northam road into kingsway? Often sat there with nothing coming many a time. Surely this isn't good for the environment and the waste on powering these lights must cost a bit! Before the nimbys complain about car use, if you can find a bus that'll get me to/from work at 6am/10pm that takes less than 30 minutes (takes 15 in the car except in traffic) then I'd absolutely use it. Biking is a bit out of the question- have you ever rode a bike along portsmouth road?!? It's a deathwish for cyclists!!
From a very experienced traffic engineer who used to work for SCC the problem with the signals you are talking about is there is a perminent demand on one of the phases at this junction which is holding the signals to run its maximum green time length, hence the detctor built into the road thinks there are vehicles running over it when there isnt. I will put a fault into Balfours for you tomorrow. I know this jct V V well as when at SCC I was project manager looking after the upgrades. (now at PCC)
[quote][p][bold]Tommo85[/bold] wrote: The whole of Southampton is nothing short of shambolic when it comes to traffic management. I work shifts and am therefore lucky enough to drive mostly at quiet hours yet the number of times I get stopped at a red light when there's no cars at any of the other junctions is unbelievable. If i were to drive from near the red funnel to bursledon tesco's via the northam bridge there are 35/37 sets of traffic lights on my route(!!!!) Going over the Itchen bridge there are fewer but the problem I find with the itchen bridge is that often the road leading upto it are clogged up with people going to the cruise terminals, it's often backed up along marsh lane/terminus terrace so traffic wishing to leave the city is also caught up in the queue. Then coming into the city from the bridge, you end up snarled on the central bridge as cruise ship traffic is often blocking the exit onto terminus road leading round to bernard street. Surely something as simple as yellow boxes on this particular junction and a proper filter system for traffic wishing to use the itchen bridge would help allieve some congestion? Also speaking of traffic lights, anyone else frustrated by the lights on the left turn at northam road into kingsway? Often sat there with nothing coming many a time. Surely this isn't good for the environment and the waste on powering these lights must cost a bit! Before the nimbys complain about car use, if you can find a bus that'll get me to/from work at 6am/10pm that takes less than 30 minutes (takes 15 in the car except in traffic) then I'd absolutely use it. Biking is a bit out of the question- have you ever rode a bike along portsmouth road?!? It's a deathwish for cyclists!![/p][/quote]From a very experienced traffic engineer who used to work for SCC the problem with the signals you are talking about is there is a perminent demand on one of the phases at this junction which is holding the signals to run its maximum green time length, hence the detctor built into the road thinks there are vehicles running over it when there isnt. I will put a fault into Balfours for you tomorrow. I know this jct V V well as when at SCC I was project manager looking after the upgrades. (now at PCC) Yoda Master

5:15pm Thu 12 Dec 13

enterprise3 says...

This is not a political problem, it's a problem of 21st century traffic using a basically Victorian/Edwardian road network that had a bit of late 20th century tweaking. In the typically British 'muddle through' approach.
Plus I have to be sympathetic to the road workers, it can't be easy trying to rebuild a road whilst it's still in use. If it was shut the same people would complain about that wouldn't they.
We can't keep building roads is because all that happens is that the traffic expands and makes any road obsolete, look at the A326 to the Waterside, that was probably seen as a godsend when new, but now it's another road with too much traffic.
The truth is we have to reduce car ownership and increase investment in buses. Yes I fully sympathise with people who simply don't have the routes to use, but we must make the effort to reduce as much urban traffic as we can.
This is not a political problem, it's a problem of 21st century traffic using a basically Victorian/Edwardian road network that had a bit of late 20th century tweaking. In the typically British 'muddle through' approach. Plus I have to be sympathetic to the road workers, it can't be easy trying to rebuild a road whilst it's still in use. If it was shut the same people would complain about that wouldn't they. We can't keep building roads is because all that happens is that the traffic expands and makes any road obsolete, look at the A326 to the Waterside, that was probably seen as a godsend when new, but now it's another road with too much traffic. The truth is we have to reduce car ownership and increase investment in buses. Yes I fully sympathise with people who simply don't have the routes to use, but we must make the effort to reduce as much urban traffic as we can. enterprise3

5:36pm Thu 12 Dec 13

loosehead says...

I put forward a set of proposals to maybe solve this problem did I get any replies? NO
Did anyone put forward arguments against what I said? NO
all I got was 6 thumbs down so are those giving me the thumbs down to thick to debate this issue?
I put forward a set of proposals to maybe solve this problem did I get any replies? NO Did anyone put forward arguments against what I said? NO all I got was 6 thumbs down so are those giving me the thumbs down to thick to debate this issue? loosehead

5:45pm Thu 12 Dec 13

good-gosh says...

good-gosh wrote:
Traffic flow is a fluid process that need close control when approaching overload. Incoming traffic needs to be held up at the city boundaries to allow those in the city to circulate freely. Circulation can be maximised by giving priority to internal destinations (docks and parking, etc) and giving priority to traffic wanting to leave the city. Better to hold up traffic at the boundaries than to case gridlock that holds up everyone even longer.
And ... long term changes need to be planned to provide uninterrupted dual carriageway from the M271 to dock gate one. Much of it exists but it needs extending past Mayflower Park, past Town Quay and across Queens Park – demolishing all buildings in the way. Additionally, there are too many traffic light controlled junctions along West Quay road and they need rationalising into one or two interruptions at the most. While at it, widen Thomas Lewis Way to a dual carriageway and carve it down through St Marys to the Itchen bridge.
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Traffic flow is a fluid process that need close control when approaching overload. Incoming traffic needs to be held up at the city boundaries to allow those in the city to circulate freely. Circulation can be maximised by giving priority to internal destinations (docks and parking, etc) and giving priority to traffic wanting to leave the city. Better to hold up traffic at the boundaries than to case gridlock that holds up everyone even longer.[/p][/quote]And ... long term changes need to be planned to provide uninterrupted dual carriageway from the M271 to dock gate one. Much of it exists but it needs extending past Mayflower Park, past Town Quay and across Queens Park – demolishing all buildings in the way. Additionally, there are too many traffic light controlled junctions along West Quay road and they need rationalising into one or two interruptions at the most. While at it, widen Thomas Lewis Way to a dual carriageway and carve it down through St Marys to the Itchen bridge. good-gosh

5:47pm Thu 12 Dec 13

rightway says...

loosehead wrote:
Christmas time? Cruise ships? okay this time of year has less cruise ships but are they really a problem? most terminals are now in the new docks & traffic can use dock gate 20 so it's usually just Cunards ships at dock gate 4. a poster said we've had cruise ships for 20years? funny I'm 57 in January & they were here before I was born with absolutely no problem. Maybe all road works can only be carried out from 6pm to 6am & on Sundays? Or only dock related traffic can use these roads whilst the works are on going & the rest will have to use Northam Bridge but how much revenue would that lose this city? Maybe just block off the road along the docks & send all bridge traffic over the small bridge & into town could be the answer ( all but dock related traffic)?
Sorry but no,
this would cause too much congestion to be a viable option.
Happy now ?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Christmas time? Cruise ships? okay this time of year has less cruise ships but are they really a problem? most terminals are now in the new docks & traffic can use dock gate 20 so it's usually just Cunards ships at dock gate 4. a poster said we've had cruise ships for 20years? funny I'm 57 in January & they were here before I was born with absolutely no problem. Maybe all road works can only be carried out from 6pm to 6am & on Sundays? Or only dock related traffic can use these roads whilst the works are on going & the rest will have to use Northam Bridge but how much revenue would that lose this city? Maybe just block off the road along the docks & send all bridge traffic over the small bridge & into town could be the answer ( all but dock related traffic)?[/p][/quote]Sorry but no, this would cause too much congestion to be a viable option. Happy now ? rightway

5:53pm Thu 12 Dec 13

loosehead says...

rightway wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Christmas time? Cruise ships? okay this time of year has less cruise ships but are they really a problem? most terminals are now in the new docks & traffic can use dock gate 20 so it's usually just Cunards ships at dock gate 4. a poster said we've had cruise ships for 20years? funny I'm 57 in January & they were here before I was born with absolutely no problem. Maybe all road works can only be carried out from 6pm to 6am & on Sundays? Or only dock related traffic can use these roads whilst the works are on going & the rest will have to use Northam Bridge but how much revenue would that lose this city? Maybe just block off the road along the docks & send all bridge traffic over the small bridge & into town could be the answer ( all but dock related traffic)?
Sorry but no,
this would cause too much congestion to be a viable option.
Happy now ?
Thank You but surely the piece of the park they're taking could be done with no effect on the traffic?
then block of the ring road & open the new part of the road but still this will all go to single lane so causing a bottleneck one way but might move the traffic quicker away from the Itchen Bridge?
When I've driven to functions at St Mary's stadium I've gone down past the church then driven up to the stadium why aren't cars using this route if the other route is so chaotic? or are they already doing this?
[quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Christmas time? Cruise ships? okay this time of year has less cruise ships but are they really a problem? most terminals are now in the new docks & traffic can use dock gate 20 so it's usually just Cunards ships at dock gate 4. a poster said we've had cruise ships for 20years? funny I'm 57 in January & they were here before I was born with absolutely no problem. Maybe all road works can only be carried out from 6pm to 6am & on Sundays? Or only dock related traffic can use these roads whilst the works are on going & the rest will have to use Northam Bridge but how much revenue would that lose this city? Maybe just block off the road along the docks & send all bridge traffic over the small bridge & into town could be the answer ( all but dock related traffic)?[/p][/quote]Sorry but no, this would cause too much congestion to be a viable option. Happy now ?[/p][/quote]Thank You but surely the piece of the park they're taking could be done with no effect on the traffic? then block of the ring road & open the new part of the road but still this will all go to single lane so causing a bottleneck one way but might move the traffic quicker away from the Itchen Bridge? When I've driven to functions at St Mary's stadium I've gone down past the church then driven up to the stadium why aren't cars using this route if the other route is so chaotic? or are they already doing this? loosehead

6:03pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Stephen J says...

loosehead wrote:
rightway wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Christmas time? Cruise ships? okay this time of year has less cruise ships but are they really a problem? most terminals are now in the new docks & traffic can use dock gate 20 so it's usually just Cunards ships at dock gate 4. a poster said we've had cruise ships for 20years? funny I'm 57 in January & they were here before I was born with absolutely no problem. Maybe all road works can only be carried out from 6pm to 6am & on Sundays? Or only dock related traffic can use these roads whilst the works are on going & the rest will have to use Northam Bridge but how much revenue would that lose this city? Maybe just block off the road along the docks & send all bridge traffic over the small bridge & into town could be the answer ( all but dock related traffic)?
Sorry but no,
this would cause too much congestion to be a viable option.
Happy now ?
Thank You but surely the piece of the park they're taking could be done with no effect on the traffic?
then block of the ring road & open the new part of the road but still this will all go to single lane so causing a bottleneck one way but might move the traffic quicker away from the Itchen Bridge?
When I've driven to functions at St Mary's stadium I've gone down past the church then driven up to the stadium why aren't cars using this route if the other route is so chaotic? or are they already doing this?
No idea? Perhaps it could? Who knows? What are you on about? No one knows? You imagine what you've said is obvious? You can't understand why you get thumbs down? I can?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Christmas time? Cruise ships? okay this time of year has less cruise ships but are they really a problem? most terminals are now in the new docks & traffic can use dock gate 20 so it's usually just Cunards ships at dock gate 4. a poster said we've had cruise ships for 20years? funny I'm 57 in January & they were here before I was born with absolutely no problem. Maybe all road works can only be carried out from 6pm to 6am & on Sundays? Or only dock related traffic can use these roads whilst the works are on going & the rest will have to use Northam Bridge but how much revenue would that lose this city? Maybe just block off the road along the docks & send all bridge traffic over the small bridge & into town could be the answer ( all but dock related traffic)?[/p][/quote]Sorry but no, this would cause too much congestion to be a viable option. Happy now ?[/p][/quote]Thank You but surely the piece of the park they're taking could be done with no effect on the traffic? then block of the ring road & open the new part of the road but still this will all go to single lane so causing a bottleneck one way but might move the traffic quicker away from the Itchen Bridge? When I've driven to functions at St Mary's stadium I've gone down past the church then driven up to the stadium why aren't cars using this route if the other route is so chaotic? or are they already doing this?[/p][/quote]No idea? Perhaps it could? Who knows? What are you on about? No one knows? You imagine what you've said is obvious? You can't understand why you get thumbs down? I can? Stephen J

6:24pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

bigfella777 wrote:
It's down to all the idiots who keep getting into there cars. The council are trying to make improvements to the road system and all people can do is moan instead of car sharing, walking, cycling or using public transport. Just let them stew in the queue's.
Had a go at someone today because they were not only tailgating me but was also, illegally using the bus lane to jump the long queue outside Matalan but he didn't care... He will care when he gets a FPN through the door for it.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: It's down to all the idiots who keep getting into there cars. The council are trying to make improvements to the road system and all people can do is moan instead of car sharing, walking, cycling or using public transport. Just let them stew in the queue's.[/p][/quote]Had a go at someone today because they were not only tailgating me but was also, illegally using the bus lane to jump the long queue outside Matalan but he didn't care... He will care when he gets a FPN through the door for it. Ginger_cyclist

6:37pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Mr saint76 says...

Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote: The problem is the type of Council we have had over the last 20 years, they all have been throwing plans into one small area of the city and ignored the the suburbs of the city
What should they have put in the suburbs then ? The docks ? West Quay Shopping centre ? The High Street ? or maybe the Red Funnel terminal ?
Ikea, St Marys. I'm sure that would ease some of the traffic. Who in their right mind would agree to these being built where they are unless there was some brown envelope incentives.
[quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The problem is the type of Council we have had over the last 20 years, they all have been throwing plans into one small area of the city and ignored the the suburbs of the city[/p][/quote]What should they have put in the suburbs then ? The docks ? West Quay Shopping centre ? The High Street ? or maybe the Red Funnel terminal ?[/p][/quote]Ikea, St Marys. I'm sure that would ease some of the traffic. Who in their right mind would agree to these being built where they are unless there was some brown envelope incentives. Mr saint76

7:03pm Thu 12 Dec 13

thinklikealocal says...

Mr saint76 wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote: The problem is the type of Council we have had over the last 20 years, they all have been throwing plans into one small area of the city and ignored the the suburbs of the city
What should they have put in the suburbs then ? The docks ? West Quay Shopping centre ? The High Street ? or maybe the Red Funnel terminal ?
Ikea, St Marys. I'm sure that would ease some of the traffic. Who in their right mind would agree to these being built where they are unless there was some brown envelope incentives.
I think you'll find much effort over a considerable amount of time was spent trying to locate the football ground in the suburbs. This required cooperation from other Council's and the political drive to make it happen was simply not strong enough. SCC eventually stepped in and made it possible in a relatively short space of time. I think you'll find that Ikea, as a commercial Company have quite a big say in where they locate! They simply would not have located here at all if they were told to locate somewhere they didn't want to. Your post is very naive.
[quote][p][bold]Mr saint76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The problem is the type of Council we have had over the last 20 years, they all have been throwing plans into one small area of the city and ignored the the suburbs of the city[/p][/quote]What should they have put in the suburbs then ? The docks ? West Quay Shopping centre ? The High Street ? or maybe the Red Funnel terminal ?[/p][/quote]Ikea, St Marys. I'm sure that would ease some of the traffic. Who in their right mind would agree to these being built where they are unless there was some brown envelope incentives.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find much effort over a considerable amount of time was spent trying to locate the football ground in the suburbs. This required cooperation from other Council's and the political drive to make it happen was simply not strong enough. SCC eventually stepped in and made it possible in a relatively short space of time. I think you'll find that Ikea, as a commercial Company have quite a big say in where they locate! They simply would not have located here at all if they were told to locate somewhere they didn't want to. Your post is very naive. thinklikealocal

8:13pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

Mr saint76 wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote: The problem is the type of Council we have had over the last 20 years, they all have been throwing plans into one small area of the city and ignored the the suburbs of the city
What should they have put in the suburbs then ? The docks ? West Quay Shopping centre ? The High Street ? or maybe the Red Funnel terminal ?
Ikea, St Marys. I'm sure that would ease some of the traffic. Who in their right mind would agree to these being built where they are unless there was some brown envelope incentives.
If you have the evidence then i suggest you present it very soon.
.
If you dont have any evidence ........ Stop making such pathetic comments about brown envelopes
[quote][p][bold]Mr saint76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The problem is the type of Council we have had over the last 20 years, they all have been throwing plans into one small area of the city and ignored the the suburbs of the city[/p][/quote]What should they have put in the suburbs then ? The docks ? West Quay Shopping centre ? The High Street ? or maybe the Red Funnel terminal ?[/p][/quote]Ikea, St Marys. I'm sure that would ease some of the traffic. Who in their right mind would agree to these being built where they are unless there was some brown envelope incentives.[/p][/quote]If you have the evidence then i suggest you present it very soon. . If you dont have any evidence ........ Stop making such pathetic comments about brown envelopes Lone Ranger.

8:23pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Mr saint76 says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Mr saint76 wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote: The problem is the type of Council we have had over the last 20 years, they all have been throwing plans into one small area of the city and ignored the the suburbs of the city
What should they have put in the suburbs then ? The docks ? West Quay Shopping centre ? The High Street ? or maybe the Red Funnel terminal ?
Ikea, St Marys. I'm sure that would ease some of the traffic. Who in their right mind would agree to these being built where they are unless there was some brown envelope incentives.
I think you'll find much effort over a considerable amount of time was spent trying to locate the football ground in the suburbs. This required cooperation from other Council's and the political drive to make it happen was simply not strong enough. SCC eventually stepped in and made it possible in a relatively short space of time. I think you'll find that Ikea, as a commercial Company have quite a big say in where they locate! They simply would not have located here at all if they were told to locate somewhere they didn't want to. Your post is very naive.
Nothing naive about it common sense really. You build things that attract over40000 people to the city centre then you will get gridlock.Nursling or Hedge End would have done just fine
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr saint76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The problem is the type of Council we have had over the last 20 years, they all have been throwing plans into one small area of the city and ignored the the suburbs of the city[/p][/quote]What should they have put in the suburbs then ? The docks ? West Quay Shopping centre ? The High Street ? or maybe the Red Funnel terminal ?[/p][/quote]Ikea, St Marys. I'm sure that would ease some of the traffic. Who in their right mind would agree to these being built where they are unless there was some brown envelope incentives.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find much effort over a considerable amount of time was spent trying to locate the football ground in the suburbs. This required cooperation from other Council's and the political drive to make it happen was simply not strong enough. SCC eventually stepped in and made it possible in a relatively short space of time. I think you'll find that Ikea, as a commercial Company have quite a big say in where they locate! They simply would not have located here at all if they were told to locate somewhere they didn't want to. Your post is very naive.[/p][/quote]Nothing naive about it common sense really. You build things that attract over40000 people to the city centre then you will get gridlock.Nursling or Hedge End would have done just fine Mr saint76

8:23pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Mr saint76 says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
Mr saint76 wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote: The problem is the type of Council we have had over the last 20 years, they all have been throwing plans into one small area of the city and ignored the the suburbs of the city
What should they have put in the suburbs then ? The docks ? West Quay Shopping centre ? The High Street ? or maybe the Red Funnel terminal ?
Ikea, St Marys. I'm sure that would ease some of the traffic. Who in their right mind would agree to these being built where they are unless there was some brown envelope incentives.
I think you'll find much effort over a considerable amount of time was spent trying to locate the football ground in the suburbs. This required cooperation from other Council's and the political drive to make it happen was simply not strong enough. SCC eventually stepped in and made it possible in a relatively short space of time. I think you'll find that Ikea, as a commercial Company have quite a big say in where they locate! They simply would not have located here at all if they were told to locate somewhere they didn't want to. Your post is very naive.
Nothing naive about it common sense really. You build things that attract over40000 people to the city centre then you will get gridlock.Nursling or Hedge End would have done just fine
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr saint76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The problem is the type of Council we have had over the last 20 years, they all have been throwing plans into one small area of the city and ignored the the suburbs of the city[/p][/quote]What should they have put in the suburbs then ? The docks ? West Quay Shopping centre ? The High Street ? or maybe the Red Funnel terminal ?[/p][/quote]Ikea, St Marys. I'm sure that would ease some of the traffic. Who in their right mind would agree to these being built where they are unless there was some brown envelope incentives.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find much effort over a considerable amount of time was spent trying to locate the football ground in the suburbs. This required cooperation from other Council's and the political drive to make it happen was simply not strong enough. SCC eventually stepped in and made it possible in a relatively short space of time. I think you'll find that Ikea, as a commercial Company have quite a big say in where they locate! They simply would not have located here at all if they were told to locate somewhere they didn't want to. Your post is very naive.[/p][/quote]Nothing naive about it common sense really. You build things that attract over40000 people to the city centre then you will get gridlock.Nursling or Hedge End would have done just fine Mr saint76

8:37pm Thu 12 Dec 13

03alpe01 says...

Dasal wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
St Retford wrote:
You know what's needed? Trams. Trams everywhere. Trams are great.
St R
Think tram systems work well in some areas.
Not so sure the geography of Southampton is particularly well suited though
The potential disruption building the system would put the current problems in the shade I reckon.
Has anyone been following the drawn out tram story in Edinburgh?
Perhaps plans for the elevated transport system proposed in the 70/80's should be brought out of the archives?
............and don't forget the ice rink !!!!!!!
someone just had to say it didn't they
[quote][p][bold]Dasal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: You know what's needed? Trams. Trams everywhere. Trams are great.[/p][/quote]St R Think tram systems work well in some areas. Not so sure the geography of Southampton is particularly well suited though The potential disruption building the system would put the current problems in the shade I reckon. Has anyone been following the drawn out tram story in Edinburgh? Perhaps plans for the elevated transport system proposed in the 70/80's should be brought out of the archives?[/p][/quote]............and don't forget the ice rink !!!!!!![/p][/quote]someone just had to say it didn't they 03alpe01

9:02pm Thu 12 Dec 13

beiroot says...

Tommo85 wrote:
The whole of Southampton is nothing short of shambolic when it comes to traffic management. I work shifts and am therefore lucky enough to drive mostly at quiet hours yet the number of times I get stopped at a red light when there's no cars at any of the other junctions is unbelievable. If i were to drive from near the red funnel to bursledon tesco's via the northam bridge there are 35/37 sets of traffic lights on my route(!!!!) Going over the Itchen bridge there are fewer but the problem I find with the itchen bridge is that often the road leading upto it are clogged up with people going to the cruise terminals, it's often backed up along marsh lane/terminus terrace so traffic wishing to leave the city is also caught up in the queue. Then coming into the city from the bridge, you end up snarled on the central bridge as cruise ship traffic is often blocking the exit onto terminus road leading round to bernard street. Surely something as simple as yellow boxes on this particular junction and a proper filter system for traffic wishing to use the itchen bridge would help allieve some congestion? Also speaking of traffic lights, anyone else frustrated by the lights on the left turn at northam road into kingsway? Often sat there with nothing coming many a time. Surely this isn't good for the environment and the waste on powering these lights must cost a bit! Before the nimbys complain about car use, if you can find a bus that'll get me to/from work at 6am/10pm that takes less than 30 minutes (takes 15 in the car except in traffic) then I'd absolutely use it. Biking is a bit out of the question- have you ever rode a bike along portsmouth road?!? It's a deathwish for cyclists!!
This is my pet hate as well.If the powers are really serious about Global Warming why do they allow the situation of holding traffic up at red lights for no reason.? All those sensors in the road appear to be a waste of time.It's a known fact that carbon emmisions rocket when a vehicle has to start from standing,
[quote][p][bold]Tommo85[/bold] wrote: The whole of Southampton is nothing short of shambolic when it comes to traffic management. I work shifts and am therefore lucky enough to drive mostly at quiet hours yet the number of times I get stopped at a red light when there's no cars at any of the other junctions is unbelievable. If i were to drive from near the red funnel to bursledon tesco's via the northam bridge there are 35/37 sets of traffic lights on my route(!!!!) Going over the Itchen bridge there are fewer but the problem I find with the itchen bridge is that often the road leading upto it are clogged up with people going to the cruise terminals, it's often backed up along marsh lane/terminus terrace so traffic wishing to leave the city is also caught up in the queue. Then coming into the city from the bridge, you end up snarled on the central bridge as cruise ship traffic is often blocking the exit onto terminus road leading round to bernard street. Surely something as simple as yellow boxes on this particular junction and a proper filter system for traffic wishing to use the itchen bridge would help allieve some congestion? Also speaking of traffic lights, anyone else frustrated by the lights on the left turn at northam road into kingsway? Often sat there with nothing coming many a time. Surely this isn't good for the environment and the waste on powering these lights must cost a bit! Before the nimbys complain about car use, if you can find a bus that'll get me to/from work at 6am/10pm that takes less than 30 minutes (takes 15 in the car except in traffic) then I'd absolutely use it. Biking is a bit out of the question- have you ever rode a bike along portsmouth road?!? It's a deathwish for cyclists!![/p][/quote]This is my pet hate as well.If the powers are really serious about Global Warming why do they allow the situation of holding traffic up at red lights for no reason.? All those sensors in the road appear to be a waste of time.It's a known fact that carbon emmisions rocket when a vehicle has to start from standing, beiroot

9:03pm Thu 12 Dec 13

loosehead says...

Stephen J wrote:
loosehead wrote:
rightway wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Christmas time? Cruise ships? okay this time of year has less cruise ships but are they really a problem? most terminals are now in the new docks & traffic can use dock gate 20 so it's usually just Cunards ships at dock gate 4. a poster said we've had cruise ships for 20years? funny I'm 57 in January & they were here before I was born with absolutely no problem. Maybe all road works can only be carried out from 6pm to 6am & on Sundays? Or only dock related traffic can use these roads whilst the works are on going & the rest will have to use Northam Bridge but how much revenue would that lose this city? Maybe just block off the road along the docks & send all bridge traffic over the small bridge & into town could be the answer ( all but dock related traffic)?
Sorry but no,
this would cause too much congestion to be a viable option.
Happy now ?
Thank You but surely the piece of the park they're taking could be done with no effect on the traffic?
then block of the ring road & open the new part of the road but still this will all go to single lane so causing a bottleneck one way but might move the traffic quicker away from the Itchen Bridge?
When I've driven to functions at St Mary's stadium I've gone down past the church then driven up to the stadium why aren't cars using this route if the other route is so chaotic? or are they already doing this?
No idea? Perhaps it could? Who knows? What are you on about? No one knows? You imagine what you've said is obvious? You can't understand why you get thumbs down? I can?
Your a P==k
[quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Christmas time? Cruise ships? okay this time of year has less cruise ships but are they really a problem? most terminals are now in the new docks & traffic can use dock gate 20 so it's usually just Cunards ships at dock gate 4. a poster said we've had cruise ships for 20years? funny I'm 57 in January & they were here before I was born with absolutely no problem. Maybe all road works can only be carried out from 6pm to 6am & on Sundays? Or only dock related traffic can use these roads whilst the works are on going & the rest will have to use Northam Bridge but how much revenue would that lose this city? Maybe just block off the road along the docks & send all bridge traffic over the small bridge & into town could be the answer ( all but dock related traffic)?[/p][/quote]Sorry but no, this would cause too much congestion to be a viable option. Happy now ?[/p][/quote]Thank You but surely the piece of the park they're taking could be done with no effect on the traffic? then block of the ring road & open the new part of the road but still this will all go to single lane so causing a bottleneck one way but might move the traffic quicker away from the Itchen Bridge? When I've driven to functions at St Mary's stadium I've gone down past the church then driven up to the stadium why aren't cars using this route if the other route is so chaotic? or are they already doing this?[/p][/quote]No idea? Perhaps it could? Who knows? What are you on about? No one knows? You imagine what you've said is obvious? You can't understand why you get thumbs down? I can?[/p][/quote]Your a P==k loosehead

9:09pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Stephen J says...

loosehead wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
loosehead wrote:
rightway wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Christmas time? Cruise ships? okay this time of year has less cruise ships but are they really a problem? most terminals are now in the new docks & traffic can use dock gate 20 so it's usually just Cunards ships at dock gate 4. a poster said we've had cruise ships for 20years? funny I'm 57 in January & they were here before I was born with absolutely no problem. Maybe all road works can only be carried out from 6pm to 6am & on Sundays? Or only dock related traffic can use these roads whilst the works are on going & the rest will have to use Northam Bridge but how much revenue would that lose this city? Maybe just block off the road along the docks & send all bridge traffic over the small bridge & into town could be the answer ( all but dock related traffic)?
Sorry but no,
this would cause too much congestion to be a viable option.
Happy now ?
Thank You but surely the piece of the park they're taking could be done with no effect on the traffic?
then block of the ring road & open the new part of the road but still this will all go to single lane so causing a bottleneck one way but might move the traffic quicker away from the Itchen Bridge?
When I've driven to functions at St Mary's stadium I've gone down past the church then driven up to the stadium why aren't cars using this route if the other route is so chaotic? or are they already doing this?
No idea? Perhaps it could? Who knows? What are you on about? No one knows? You imagine what you've said is obvious? You can't understand why you get thumbs down? I can?
Your a P==k
No, it's "you're a pr==k". And no question mark? You surprise me?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Christmas time? Cruise ships? okay this time of year has less cruise ships but are they really a problem? most terminals are now in the new docks & traffic can use dock gate 20 so it's usually just Cunards ships at dock gate 4. a poster said we've had cruise ships for 20years? funny I'm 57 in January & they were here before I was born with absolutely no problem. Maybe all road works can only be carried out from 6pm to 6am & on Sundays? Or only dock related traffic can use these roads whilst the works are on going & the rest will have to use Northam Bridge but how much revenue would that lose this city? Maybe just block off the road along the docks & send all bridge traffic over the small bridge & into town could be the answer ( all but dock related traffic)?[/p][/quote]Sorry but no, this would cause too much congestion to be a viable option. Happy now ?[/p][/quote]Thank You but surely the piece of the park they're taking could be done with no effect on the traffic? then block of the ring road & open the new part of the road but still this will all go to single lane so causing a bottleneck one way but might move the traffic quicker away from the Itchen Bridge? When I've driven to functions at St Mary's stadium I've gone down past the church then driven up to the stadium why aren't cars using this route if the other route is so chaotic? or are they already doing this?[/p][/quote]No idea? Perhaps it could? Who knows? What are you on about? No one knows? You imagine what you've said is obvious? You can't understand why you get thumbs down? I can?[/p][/quote]Your a P==k[/p][/quote]No, it's "you're a pr==k". And no question mark? You surprise me? Stephen J

9:20pm Thu 12 Dec 13

loosehead says...

Stephen J wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
loosehead wrote:
rightway wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Christmas time? Cruise ships? okay this time of year has less cruise ships but are they really a problem? most terminals are now in the new docks & traffic can use dock gate 20 so it's usually just Cunards ships at dock gate 4. a poster said we've had cruise ships for 20years? funny I'm 57 in January & they were here before I was born with absolutely no problem. Maybe all road works can only be carried out from 6pm to 6am & on Sundays? Or only dock related traffic can use these roads whilst the works are on going & the rest will have to use Northam Bridge but how much revenue would that lose this city? Maybe just block off the road along the docks & send all bridge traffic over the small bridge & into town could be the answer ( all but dock related traffic)?
Sorry but no,
this would cause too much congestion to be a viable option.
Happy now ?
Thank You but surely the piece of the park they're taking could be done with no effect on the traffic?
then block of the ring road & open the new part of the road but still this will all go to single lane so causing a bottleneck one way but might move the traffic quicker away from the Itchen Bridge?
When I've driven to functions at St Mary's stadium I've gone down past the church then driven up to the stadium why aren't cars using this route if the other route is so chaotic? or are they already doing this?
No idea? Perhaps it could? Who knows? What are you on about? No one knows? You imagine what you've said is obvious? You can't understand why you get thumbs down? I can?
Your a P==k
No, it's "you're a pr==k". And no question mark? You surprise me?
Why? I always debate articles & only if I'm getting insults do I put a thumbs down.
I know those roads & I put forward ideas where you & other posters could debate with me but instead I received this post from you.
No idea? Perhaps it could? Who knows? What are you on about? No one knows? You imagine what you've said is obvious? You can't understand why you get thumbs down? I can?
To me this is you mocking me & after several other posters of the left I just snapped but hey carry on!
[quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Christmas time? Cruise ships? okay this time of year has less cruise ships but are they really a problem? most terminals are now in the new docks & traffic can use dock gate 20 so it's usually just Cunards ships at dock gate 4. a poster said we've had cruise ships for 20years? funny I'm 57 in January & they were here before I was born with absolutely no problem. Maybe all road works can only be carried out from 6pm to 6am & on Sundays? Or only dock related traffic can use these roads whilst the works are on going & the rest will have to use Northam Bridge but how much revenue would that lose this city? Maybe just block off the road along the docks & send all bridge traffic over the small bridge & into town could be the answer ( all but dock related traffic)?[/p][/quote]Sorry but no, this would cause too much congestion to be a viable option. Happy now ?[/p][/quote]Thank You but surely the piece of the park they're taking could be done with no effect on the traffic? then block of the ring road & open the new part of the road but still this will all go to single lane so causing a bottleneck one way but might move the traffic quicker away from the Itchen Bridge? When I've driven to functions at St Mary's stadium I've gone down past the church then driven up to the stadium why aren't cars using this route if the other route is so chaotic? or are they already doing this?[/p][/quote]No idea? Perhaps it could? Who knows? What are you on about? No one knows? You imagine what you've said is obvious? You can't understand why you get thumbs down? I can?[/p][/quote]Your a P==k[/p][/quote]No, it's "you're a pr==k". And no question mark? You surprise me?[/p][/quote]Why? I always debate articles & only if I'm getting insults do I put a thumbs down. I know those roads & I put forward ideas where you & other posters could debate with me but instead I received this post from you. No idea? Perhaps it could? Who knows? What are you on about? No one knows? You imagine what you've said is obvious? You can't understand why you get thumbs down? I can? To me this is you mocking me & after several other posters of the left I just snapped but hey carry on! loosehead

9:31pm Thu 12 Dec 13

wknight says...

The city of Boston USA has dreadful traffic problems but one method they use for getting the traffic moving is return to good old fashion police directly traffic and controlling the lights. Not only does it calm people down and stop people blocking junctions but they can also see that the queue is longer in one direction and lets that side move. Motorists can also help themselves by keep moving and get thru the lights and cars turning right pull forward so the cars behind can pass. What Southampton needs is a park and ride so all these cars don't need to come in.
The city of Boston USA has dreadful traffic problems but one method they use for getting the traffic moving is return to good old fashion police directly traffic and controlling the lights. Not only does it calm people down and stop people blocking junctions but they can also see that the queue is longer in one direction and lets that side move. Motorists can also help themselves by keep moving and get thru the lights and cars turning right pull forward so the cars behind can pass. What Southampton needs is a park and ride so all these cars don't need to come in. wknight

9:31pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Stephen J says...

loosehead wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Stephen J wrote:
loosehead wrote:
rightway wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Christmas time? Cruise ships? okay this time of year has less cruise ships but are they really a problem? most terminals are now in the new docks & traffic can use dock gate 20 so it's usually just Cunards ships at dock gate 4. a poster said we've had cruise ships for 20years? funny I'm 57 in January & they were here before I was born with absolutely no problem. Maybe all road works can only be carried out from 6pm to 6am & on Sundays? Or only dock related traffic can use these roads whilst the works are on going & the rest will have to use Northam Bridge but how much revenue would that lose this city? Maybe just block off the road along the docks & send all bridge traffic over the small bridge & into town could be the answer ( all but dock related traffic)?
Sorry but no,
this would cause too much congestion to be a viable option.
Happy now ?
Thank You but surely the piece of the park they're taking could be done with no effect on the traffic?
then block of the ring road & open the new part of the road but still this will all go to single lane so causing a bottleneck one way but might move the traffic quicker away from the Itchen Bridge?
When I've driven to functions at St Mary's stadium I've gone down past the church then driven up to the stadium why aren't cars using this route if the other route is so chaotic? or are they already doing this?
No idea? Perhaps it could? Who knows? What are you on about? No one knows? You imagine what you've said is obvious? You can't understand why you get thumbs down? I can?
Your a P==k
No, it's "you're a pr==k". And no question mark? You surprise me?
Why? I always debate articles & only if I'm getting insults do I put a thumbs down.
I know those roads & I put forward ideas where you & other posters could debate with me but instead I received this post from you.
No idea? Perhaps it could? Who knows? What are you on about? No one knows? You imagine what you've said is obvious? You can't understand why you get thumbs down? I can?
To me this is you mocking me & after several other posters of the left I just snapped but hey carry on!
It's pointing out why you might be getting thumbs down but no debate in return. Simply writing what you think as it comes to you on a forum doesn't mean that people will get what you're trying to say. For example, putting a question mark at the end of every sentence causes confusion as to whether you are asking a question, making a suggestion or stating a fact. People will judge a post in a couple of seconds and if it makes no sense, perhaps just give a thumbs down and leave it at that.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stephen J[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Christmas time? Cruise ships? okay this time of year has less cruise ships but are they really a problem? most terminals are now in the new docks & traffic can use dock gate 20 so it's usually just Cunards ships at dock gate 4. a poster said we've had cruise ships for 20years? funny I'm 57 in January & they were here before I was born with absolutely no problem. Maybe all road works can only be carried out from 6pm to 6am & on Sundays? Or only dock related traffic can use these roads whilst the works are on going & the rest will have to use Northam Bridge but how much revenue would that lose this city? Maybe just block off the road along the docks & send all bridge traffic over the small bridge & into town could be the answer ( all but dock related traffic)?[/p][/quote]Sorry but no, this would cause too much congestion to be a viable option. Happy now ?[/p][/quote]Thank You but surely the piece of the park they're taking could be done with no effect on the traffic? then block of the ring road & open the new part of the road but still this will all go to single lane so causing a bottleneck one way but might move the traffic quicker away from the Itchen Bridge? When I've driven to functions at St Mary's stadium I've gone down past the church then driven up to the stadium why aren't cars using this route if the other route is so chaotic? or are they already doing this?[/p][/quote]No idea? Perhaps it could? Who knows? What are you on about? No one knows? You imagine what you've said is obvious? You can't understand why you get thumbs down? I can?[/p][/quote]Your a P==k[/p][/quote]No, it's "you're a pr==k". And no question mark? You surprise me?[/p][/quote]Why? I always debate articles & only if I'm getting insults do I put a thumbs down. I know those roads & I put forward ideas where you & other posters could debate with me but instead I received this post from you. No idea? Perhaps it could? Who knows? What are you on about? No one knows? You imagine what you've said is obvious? You can't understand why you get thumbs down? I can? To me this is you mocking me & after several other posters of the left I just snapped but hey carry on![/p][/quote]It's pointing out why you might be getting thumbs down but no debate in return. Simply writing what you think as it comes to you on a forum doesn't mean that people will get what you're trying to say. For example, putting a question mark at the end of every sentence causes confusion as to whether you are asking a question, making a suggestion or stating a fact. People will judge a post in a couple of seconds and if it makes no sense, perhaps just give a thumbs down and leave it at that. Stephen J

9:58pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Turtlebay says...

Cllr Rayment, who was herself stuck in the jams, said "I want to be reassured we are doing everything we can.”

No, lovey, YOU are not doing anything! That's the problem.
Cllr Rayment, who was herself stuck in the jams, said "I want to be reassured we are doing everything we can.” No, lovey, YOU are not doing anything! That's the problem. Turtlebay

9:59pm Thu 12 Dec 13

southamptonadi says...

good-gosh wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
Traffic flow is a fluid process that need close control when approaching overload. Incoming traffic needs to be held up at the city boundaries to allow those in the city to circulate freely. Circulation can be maximised by giving priority to internal destinations (docks and parking, etc) and giving priority to traffic wanting to leave the city. Better to hold up traffic at the boundaries than to case gridlock that holds up everyone even longer.
And ... long term changes need to be planned to provide uninterrupted dual carriageway from the M271 to dock gate one. Much of it exists but it needs extending past Mayflower Park, past Town Quay and across Queens Park – demolishing all buildings in the way. Additionally, there are too many traffic light controlled junctions along West Quay road and they need rationalising into one or two interruptions at the most. While at it, widen Thomas Lewis Way to a dual carriageway and carve it down through St Marys to the Itchen bridge.
not sure if your taking the micky but they are doing that "Much of it exists but it needs extending past Mayflower Park, past Town Quay and across Queens Park"

Although im not sure whats happening outside mayflower park as if its single carriageway we will still queue just on a dual carriageway instead.
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Traffic flow is a fluid process that need close control when approaching overload. Incoming traffic needs to be held up at the city boundaries to allow those in the city to circulate freely. Circulation can be maximised by giving priority to internal destinations (docks and parking, etc) and giving priority to traffic wanting to leave the city. Better to hold up traffic at the boundaries than to case gridlock that holds up everyone even longer.[/p][/quote]And ... long term changes need to be planned to provide uninterrupted dual carriageway from the M271 to dock gate one. Much of it exists but it needs extending past Mayflower Park, past Town Quay and across Queens Park – demolishing all buildings in the way. Additionally, there are too many traffic light controlled junctions along West Quay road and they need rationalising into one or two interruptions at the most. While at it, widen Thomas Lewis Way to a dual carriageway and carve it down through St Marys to the Itchen bridge.[/p][/quote]not sure if your taking the micky but they are doing that "Much of it exists but it needs extending past Mayflower Park, past Town Quay and across Queens Park" Although im not sure whats happening outside mayflower park as if its single carriageway we will still queue just on a dual carriageway instead. southamptonadi

10:08pm Thu 12 Dec 13

southamptonadi says...

Tommo85 wrote:
The whole of Southampton is nothing short of shambolic when it comes to traffic management. I work shifts and am therefore lucky enough to drive mostly at quiet hours yet the number of times I get stopped at a red light when there's no cars at any of the other junctions is unbelievable. If i were to drive from near the red funnel to bursledon tesco's via the northam bridge there are 35/37 sets of traffic lights on my route(!!!!) Going over the Itchen bridge there are fewer but the problem I find with the itchen bridge is that often the road leading upto it are clogged up with people going to the cruise terminals, it's often backed up along marsh lane/terminus terrace so traffic wishing to leave the city is also caught up in the queue. Then coming into the city from the bridge, you end up snarled on the central bridge as cruise ship traffic is often blocking the exit onto terminus road leading round to bernard street. Surely something as simple as yellow boxes on this particular junction and a proper filter system for traffic wishing to use the itchen bridge would help allieve some congestion? Also speaking of traffic lights, anyone else frustrated by the lights on the left turn at northam road into kingsway? Often sat there with nothing coming many a time. Surely this isn't good for the environment and the waste on powering these lights must cost a bit! Before the nimbys complain about car use, if you can find a bus that'll get me to/from work at 6am/10pm that takes less than 30 minutes (takes 15 in the car except in traffic) then I'd absolutely use it. Biking is a bit out of the question- have you ever rode a bike along portsmouth road?!? It's a deathwish for cyclists!!
Yes I have cycled along Portsmouth road.
but you go to/from work at 6am/10pm (your words) Whats wrong with portsmouth road at that time of day, its empty trust me thats when I cycle along it, I bet if you went rush hour you would be faster on a bike.

Also unsure how the traffic can be backed up at those times, You would get to work in half the time over the toll bridge, Off peak. save you in fuel as you can have a steady speed, (less lights) and shorter distance.

But your onto something there they should make the left hand lane along marsh road toll bridge only, during the works anyway, like it used to be.
[quote][p][bold]Tommo85[/bold] wrote: The whole of Southampton is nothing short of shambolic when it comes to traffic management. I work shifts and am therefore lucky enough to drive mostly at quiet hours yet the number of times I get stopped at a red light when there's no cars at any of the other junctions is unbelievable. If i were to drive from near the red funnel to bursledon tesco's via the northam bridge there are 35/37 sets of traffic lights on my route(!!!!) Going over the Itchen bridge there are fewer but the problem I find with the itchen bridge is that often the road leading upto it are clogged up with people going to the cruise terminals, it's often backed up along marsh lane/terminus terrace so traffic wishing to leave the city is also caught up in the queue. Then coming into the city from the bridge, you end up snarled on the central bridge as cruise ship traffic is often blocking the exit onto terminus road leading round to bernard street. Surely something as simple as yellow boxes on this particular junction and a proper filter system for traffic wishing to use the itchen bridge would help allieve some congestion? Also speaking of traffic lights, anyone else frustrated by the lights on the left turn at northam road into kingsway? Often sat there with nothing coming many a time. Surely this isn't good for the environment and the waste on powering these lights must cost a bit! Before the nimbys complain about car use, if you can find a bus that'll get me to/from work at 6am/10pm that takes less than 30 minutes (takes 15 in the car except in traffic) then I'd absolutely use it. Biking is a bit out of the question- have you ever rode a bike along portsmouth road?!? It's a deathwish for cyclists!![/p][/quote]Yes I have cycled along Portsmouth road. but you go to/from work at 6am/10pm (your words) Whats wrong with portsmouth road at that time of day, its empty trust me thats when I cycle along it, I bet if you went rush hour you would be faster on a bike. Also unsure how the traffic can be backed up at those times, You would get to work in half the time over the toll bridge, Off peak. save you in fuel as you can have a steady speed, (less lights) and shorter distance. But your onto something there they should make the left hand lane along marsh road toll bridge only, during the works anyway, like it used to be. southamptonadi

10:37pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Charlie Bucket says...

southy wrote:
glented wrote:
The timing and planning of these works is what requires investigation. The council and contractors appear to be blaming causes outside of their control however undertaking numerous major works all together is.

Maybe some traffic police could help the situation during peak times
If the city planning was done right in the first place then there would be no need to worry about road works, but because of whats been happen in the last 20 years with each council by throwing every thing down in one small area its going to get congested with traffic, they should of spread things though out the city.
Obviously a right wing conspiracy to make everyone unemployed so they can make a fortune or something.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]glented[/bold] wrote: The timing and planning of these works is what requires investigation. The council and contractors appear to be blaming causes outside of their control however undertaking numerous major works all together is. Maybe some traffic police could help the situation during peak times[/p][/quote]If the city planning was done right in the first place then there would be no need to worry about road works, but because of whats been happen in the last 20 years with each council by throwing every thing down in one small area its going to get congested with traffic, they should of spread things though out the city.[/p][/quote]Obviously a right wing conspiracy to make everyone unemployed so they can make a fortune or something. Charlie Bucket

10:37pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Charlie Bucket says...

southy wrote:
glented wrote:
The timing and planning of these works is what requires investigation. The council and contractors appear to be blaming causes outside of their control however undertaking numerous major works all together is.

Maybe some traffic police could help the situation during peak times
If the city planning was done right in the first place then there would be no need to worry about road works, but because of whats been happen in the last 20 years with each council by throwing every thing down in one small area its going to get congested with traffic, they should of spread things though out the city.
Obviously a right wing conspiracy to make everyone unemployed so they can make a fortune or something.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]glented[/bold] wrote: The timing and planning of these works is what requires investigation. The council and contractors appear to be blaming causes outside of their control however undertaking numerous major works all together is. Maybe some traffic police could help the situation during peak times[/p][/quote]If the city planning was done right in the first place then there would be no need to worry about road works, but because of whats been happen in the last 20 years with each council by throwing every thing down in one small area its going to get congested with traffic, they should of spread things though out the city.[/p][/quote]Obviously a right wing conspiracy to make everyone unemployed so they can make a fortune or something. Charlie Bucket

10:39pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Charlie Bucket says...

seatraders wrote:
Has anybody thought for one moment that the reason the roadworks are being done is to ensure that the roads are fit for the future. Some pain now for some future gain.

Before we criticise now why not wait until they are finished and then see if they work? I have sympathy for SCC, it can't be easy upgrading a major arterial route through a city, into the UK's premier cruise por,t whilst allowing people to still use it!

Shut up your whinging and keep your thoughts to yourselves UNTIL the works are finished and the new toy is properly out of the box!

Sam Mifsud
Of course they have! People aren't idiots, well, some of them. They know that road works need to be done. What's at question is the timing.
[quote][p][bold]seatraders[/bold] wrote: Has anybody thought for one moment that the reason the roadworks are being done is to ensure that the roads are fit for the future. Some pain now for some future gain. Before we criticise now why not wait until they are finished and then see if they work? I have sympathy for SCC, it can't be easy upgrading a major arterial route through a city, into the UK's premier cruise por,t whilst allowing people to still use it! Shut up your whinging and keep your thoughts to yourselves UNTIL the works are finished and the new toy is properly out of the box! Sam Mifsud[/p][/quote]Of course they have! People aren't idiots, well, some of them. They know that road works need to be done. What's at question is the timing. Charlie Bucket

10:40pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Charlie Bucket says...

bigfella777 wrote:
It's down to all the idiots who keep getting into there cars. The council are trying to make improvements to the road system and all people can do is moan instead of car sharing, walking, cycling or using public transport. Just let them stew in the queue's.
Troll troll troll. You post this drivel at every opportunity. Give up you tedious old man.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: It's down to all the idiots who keep getting into there cars. The council are trying to make improvements to the road system and all people can do is moan instead of car sharing, walking, cycling or using public transport. Just let them stew in the queue's.[/p][/quote]Troll troll troll. You post this drivel at every opportunity. Give up you tedious old man. Charlie Bucket

10:47pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
It's down to all the idiots who keep getting into there cars. The council are trying to make improvements to the road system and all people can do is moan instead of car sharing, walking, cycling or using public transport. Just let them stew in the queue's.
Troll troll troll. You post this drivel at every opportunity. Give up you tedious old man.
It's true, there are too many cars on the road, driven by people only going a few miles, many of which could walk or cycle OR they could get the bus, of course, those who GENUINELY need a car to get around, are excluded from that comment.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: It's down to all the idiots who keep getting into there cars. The council are trying to make improvements to the road system and all people can do is moan instead of car sharing, walking, cycling or using public transport. Just let them stew in the queue's.[/p][/quote]Troll troll troll. You post this drivel at every opportunity. Give up you tedious old man.[/p][/quote]It's true, there are too many cars on the road, driven by people only going a few miles, many of which could walk or cycle OR they could get the bus, of course, those who GENUINELY need a car to get around, are excluded from that comment. Ginger_cyclist

11:52pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

By the way, lovely ride home this evening, only took me about 20 to 25 minutes, the bus I passed didn't catch up with me until I got home and I even stopped for 5 minutes halfway up lances hill, didn't hold anyone up either, as they were all too busy holding each other up, lost count of how many tin boxes I passed though after about 50 or so.
By the way, lovely ride home this evening, only took me about 20 to 25 minutes, the bus I passed didn't catch up with me until I got home and I even stopped for 5 minutes halfway up lances hill, didn't hold anyone up either, as they were all too busy holding each other up, lost count of how many tin boxes I passed though after about 50 or so. Ginger_cyclist

1:13am Fri 13 Dec 13

Mary80 says...

The worst bit is trying to get past Woodmill as cars try to force their way thru the single road when other cars try to come the other way. That road leading out of Woodmill ALWAYS without fail gets badly congested, and i think making it a wider road would help ease the bottleneck
The worst bit is trying to get past Woodmill as cars try to force their way thru the single road when other cars try to come the other way. That road leading out of Woodmill ALWAYS without fail gets badly congested, and i think making it a wider road would help ease the bottleneck Mary80

1:39am Fri 13 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Mary80 wrote:
The worst bit is trying to get past Woodmill as cars try to force their way thru the single road when other cars try to come the other way. That road leading out of Woodmill ALWAYS without fail gets badly congested, and i think making it a wider road would help ease the bottleneck
Problem there is, it's physically not possible to do without permission from the Environment Agency(due to environmental impacts, Woodmill Activity centre(as their salmon pool would have to be drained since the road bridges what used to be a working lock gate) and the planning office, again because of the environmental impact it would have on the fragile Itchen river system that feeds the salmon pool and lake in the activity centre, anything to do with our waterways, especially those that have a SSSI status, is taken very seriously when work on or near them is being considered, best solution though, like it or not, would be traffic lights on that narrow bit of road.
[quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: The worst bit is trying to get past Woodmill as cars try to force their way thru the single road when other cars try to come the other way. That road leading out of Woodmill ALWAYS without fail gets badly congested, and i think making it a wider road would help ease the bottleneck[/p][/quote]Problem there is, it's physically not possible to do without permission from the Environment Agency(due to environmental impacts, Woodmill Activity centre(as their salmon pool would have to be drained since the road bridges what used to be a working lock gate) and the planning office, again because of the environmental impact it would have on the fragile Itchen river system that feeds the salmon pool and lake in the activity centre, anything to do with our waterways, especially those that have a SSSI status, is taken very seriously when work on or near them is being considered, best solution though, like it or not, would be traffic lights on that narrow bit of road. Ginger_cyclist

2:55am Fri 13 Dec 13

IanRRR says...

Great point above, about traffic lights actually causing hold ups and pollution. Can anyone tell me why the traffic lights at Regents Park Road are so badly phased? Its only a recent thing, but its now impossible to get through here, both inbound and outbound, without getting caught by the lights. It just seems to be giving priority to minimal streams of traffic, whilst the mass exodus gets completely stuffed up.
Great point above, about traffic lights actually causing hold ups and pollution. Can anyone tell me why the traffic lights at Regents Park Road are so badly phased? Its only a recent thing, but its now impossible to get through here, both inbound and outbound, without getting caught by the lights. It just seems to be giving priority to minimal streams of traffic, whilst the mass exodus gets completely stuffed up. IanRRR

10:03am Fri 13 Dec 13

From the sidelines says...

Don't think of them as roadworks, think of them as traffic calming. We all like traffic calming because it makes our journeys safe.

Cycling in Southampton is a pleasure.
Don't think of them as roadworks, think of them as traffic calming. We all like traffic calming because it makes our journeys safe. Cycling in Southampton is a pleasure. From the sidelines

11:43am Fri 13 Dec 13

southy says...

Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
The problem is the type of Council we have had over the last 20 years, they all have been throwing plans into one small area of the city and ignored the the suburbs of the city
What should they have put in the suburbs then ? The docks ? West Quay Shopping centre ? The High Street ? or maybe the Red Funnel terminal ?
The docks we can not do a lot about, apart from move it down river, but shopping we could off, entertainment could off.
Look at the shape of southampton its a V shape apart from the extra part on the other side of the river itchen, you got every thing in the bottom of that V with traffic coming, its just going to get tighter at the bottom of that v
[quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The problem is the type of Council we have had over the last 20 years, they all have been throwing plans into one small area of the city and ignored the the suburbs of the city[/p][/quote]What should they have put in the suburbs then ? The docks ? West Quay Shopping centre ? The High Street ? or maybe the Red Funnel terminal ?[/p][/quote]The docks we can not do a lot about, apart from move it down river, but shopping we could off, entertainment could off. Look at the shape of southampton its a V shape apart from the extra part on the other side of the river itchen, you got every thing in the bottom of that V with traffic coming, its just going to get tighter at the bottom of that v southy

1:41pm Fri 13 Dec 13

phil maccavity says...

southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
The problem is the type of Council we have had over the last 20 years, they all have been throwing plans into one small area of the city and ignored the the suburbs of the city
What should they have put in the suburbs then ? The docks ? West Quay Shopping centre ? The High Street ? or maybe the Red Funnel terminal ?
The docks we can not do a lot about, apart from move it down river, but shopping we could off, entertainment could off.
Look at the shape of southampton its a V shape apart from the extra part on the other side of the river itchen, you got every thing in the bottom of that V with traffic coming, its just going to get tighter at the bottom of that v
Southy
Interesting idea
Do you reckon the entertainment and shopping areas could be jacked up and moved as you often see being done with buildings in America?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The problem is the type of Council we have had over the last 20 years, they all have been throwing plans into one small area of the city and ignored the the suburbs of the city[/p][/quote]What should they have put in the suburbs then ? The docks ? West Quay Shopping centre ? The High Street ? or maybe the Red Funnel terminal ?[/p][/quote]The docks we can not do a lot about, apart from move it down river, but shopping we could off, entertainment could off. Look at the shape of southampton its a V shape apart from the extra part on the other side of the river itchen, you got every thing in the bottom of that V with traffic coming, its just going to get tighter at the bottom of that v[/p][/quote]Southy Interesting idea Do you reckon the entertainment and shopping areas could be jacked up and moved as you often see being done with buildings in America? phil maccavity

1:59pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Yoda Master says...

IanRRR wrote:
Great point above, about traffic lights actually causing hold ups and pollution. Can anyone tell me why the traffic lights at Regents Park Road are so badly phased? Its only a recent thing, but its now impossible to get through here, both inbound and outbound, without getting caught by the lights. It just seems to be giving priority to minimal streams of traffic, whilst the mass exodus gets completely stuffed up.
The problem is probably not the phasing so much but the volume of traffic. The signals here run under VA traffic control (Vehicle Actuated) ie the detector loops in the road demand and extend as traffic extends over them (vehicles create a magnetic field which the signal control unit recognises as a car). The main road should run a minimum time of around 70secs at peak times and generally 25 / 35 secs for each side road and right / left turn. If you think there are quite a few movements here so the likelyhood of having to stop is fairly high. I always found it difficult to allow a constant flow through these lights as you have to think about managing traffic further down stream ie you have to take into account how much traffic the jct further up or down the road the jct can handle. There is always a lot more into managing traffic than just giving loads of green time as all you really end up doing is pushing traffic congestion further down. SCC always tried to have traffic waiting a various jct's, this way there are smaller pods of traffic at each one instead of a huge queue at one jct which the signals would never clear. A excellent example of this is the holding area at Thornhill Pk Rd / Bursledon Rd and Kathleen Rd in the morning peak rush hour. These lights only give btw 9 - 11 secs to side road traffic even though they are v busy roads. By allowing small pods of traffic thru each time Bitterne Rd West is able to at least try and maintain a steady flow. Obviously there are points when it queues due to traffic volume but believe me it does help. When the holding system fails (which isnt v often) its absolute chaos with traffic back to Bursledon Rd / Whites Rd jct and then nothing can get onto the main road.
[quote][p][bold]IanRRR[/bold] wrote: Great point above, about traffic lights actually causing hold ups and pollution. Can anyone tell me why the traffic lights at Regents Park Road are so badly phased? Its only a recent thing, but its now impossible to get through here, both inbound and outbound, without getting caught by the lights. It just seems to be giving priority to minimal streams of traffic, whilst the mass exodus gets completely stuffed up.[/p][/quote]The problem is probably not the phasing so much but the volume of traffic. The signals here run under VA traffic control (Vehicle Actuated) ie the detector loops in the road demand and extend as traffic extends over them (vehicles create a magnetic field which the signal control unit recognises as a car). The main road should run a minimum time of around 70secs at peak times and generally 25 / 35 secs for each side road and right / left turn. If you think there are quite a few movements here so the likelyhood of having to stop is fairly high. I always found it difficult to allow a constant flow through these lights as you have to think about managing traffic further down stream ie you have to take into account how much traffic the jct further up or down the road the jct can handle. There is always a lot more into managing traffic than just giving loads of green time as all you really end up doing is pushing traffic congestion further down. SCC always tried to have traffic waiting a various jct's, this way there are smaller pods of traffic at each one instead of a huge queue at one jct which the signals would never clear. A excellent example of this is the holding area at Thornhill Pk Rd / Bursledon Rd and Kathleen Rd in the morning peak rush hour. These lights only give btw 9 - 11 secs to side road traffic even though they are v busy roads. By allowing small pods of traffic thru each time Bitterne Rd West is able to at least try and maintain a steady flow. Obviously there are points when it queues due to traffic volume but believe me it does help. When the holding system fails (which isnt v often) its absolute chaos with traffic back to Bursledon Rd / Whites Rd jct and then nothing can get onto the main road. Yoda Master

6:07pm Sat 14 Dec 13

lowe esteem says...

Everybody seems to be ignoring the question at the top of this article.
The answer is either Guly do Prado or the One Man Pompey Riot surely?
Everybody seems to be ignoring the question at the top of this article. The answer is either Guly do Prado or the One Man Pompey Riot surely? lowe esteem

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