Brace yourselves for more traffic chaos, Southampton council chiefs warn

Daily Echo: Brace yourselves for more traffic chaos Brace yourselves for more traffic chaos

MOTORISTS have been warned to brace themselves for traffic chaos in Southampton tomorrow.

Roads chiefs have warned it could be the start of almost a week of motoring misery in the city.

They say roadworks, cruise ships and Christmas shoppers could cause a repeat of the tailbacks that have ground parts of the city to a halt twice in the past fortnight.

The warning comes after highways chiefs met to discuss new measures which they hope will ease the city centre’s recent traffic woes.

Thousands of motorists have been caught up in gridlock across the centre on two occasions in the past fortnight.

Road works at Platform Road and Itchen Bridge, and the arrival of multiple cruise ships contributed to the chaos.

They have resisted calls to suspend the works on busy days, and have instead announced a raft of new measures.

Cruise ships They include modifying signal phasing and traffic management at the road works sites, extending the hours when manual control of traffic signals is used and working with the police to co-ordinate abnormal load movements.

They will also work with Associated British Ports to increase staff levels at Dock Gate Four, which will speed up traffic entering and leaving the port on busy days.

The council has also warned motorists of the busiest times to travel in and out of the city centre in the run-up to Christmas.

Tomorrow will see two cruise liners in port and will be the penultimate weekend for Christmas shopping.

On Tuesday, there will be three liners in port and there will be two on Thursday.

Traffic could be especially heavy on Friday, when there will be three ships in port, while it will also be the last day of the school term, while many businesses will also close down for Christmas.

Next weekend there will be more cruise liners, a Saints Sunday lunchtime fixture against Tottenham, and one final weekend of shopping before Christmas.

Peak times in the city centre are typically between 1pm and 2pm on weekends, but the main volume of traffic to and from the Saints’ match on December 22 is likely to be between noon and 1pm, and then again from 3.30pm-4.30pm.

Reviews Council transport boss Jacqui Rayment said: “We know that lots of people have been delayed by traffic in recent weeks, and our residents expect and deserve better.

“While the city can get very busy at this time of year, I can assure residents that we are doing everything possible to reduce congestion and keep people informed with the latest travel information.

“The ongoing improvement works at Platform Road can have an impact on journey times around Dock Gate 4, particularly when more than one cruise liner is in port and passengers are disembarking and joining the ships.

“We are constantly reviewing the traffic management to keep the roads moving.

“These works represent a major investment in the city’s road infrastructure and once complete will contribute to reducing congestion and boosting economic growth within the city centre and the Port of Southampton.”

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11:09am Sat 14 Dec 13

vag says...

Don't panic, it's still dead quiet round by dock gate 4 and platform road, as we speak.
Don't panic, it's still dead quiet round by dock gate 4 and platform road, as we speak. vag

11:15am Sat 14 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

vag wrote:
Don't panic, it's still dead quiet round by dock gate 4 and platform road, as we speak.
Not too sure anyone is panicking ....... just the Echo carrying out uts usual scaremongering, over exagerated stories again
[quote][p][bold]vag[/bold] wrote: Don't panic, it's still dead quiet round by dock gate 4 and platform road, as we speak.[/p][/quote]Not too sure anyone is panicking ....... just the Echo carrying out uts usual scaremongering, over exagerated stories again Lone Ranger.

11:22am Sat 14 Dec 13

THEKILLER says...

Why would anyone want to go shopping in Southampton anyway.
Why would anyone want to go shopping in Southampton anyway. THEKILLER

11:49am Sat 14 Dec 13

RascalsCastles says...

Not what the retailers want to hear. It won't be the tills ringing it will be the horns beeping around town.
Not what the retailers want to hear. It won't be the tills ringing it will be the horns beeping around town. RascalsCastles

11:56am Sat 14 Dec 13

ToastyTea says...

THEKILLER wrote:
Why would anyone want to go shopping in Southampton anyway.
for the 99p and £1 stores ?
[quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: Why would anyone want to go shopping in Southampton anyway.[/p][/quote]for the 99p and £1 stores ? ToastyTea

11:56am Sat 14 Dec 13

Positively4thStreet says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
vag wrote:
Don't panic, it's still dead quiet round by dock gate 4 and platform road, as we speak.
Not too sure anyone is panicking ....... just the Echo carrying out uts usual scaremongering, over exagerated stories again
Yes,the very headline induces raised stress levels,before anyone has even got out there;just what everyone's needs at this time of year...thanks a bunch DE!
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vag[/bold] wrote: Don't panic, it's still dead quiet round by dock gate 4 and platform road, as we speak.[/p][/quote]Not too sure anyone is panicking ....... just the Echo carrying out uts usual scaremongering, over exagerated stories again[/p][/quote]Yes,the very headline induces raised stress levels,before anyone has even got out there;just what everyone's needs at this time of year...thanks a bunch DE! Positively4thStreet

12:30pm Sat 14 Dec 13

JanPawel says...

everyone get in car take tea gridlock city teach them lesson
everyone get in car take tea gridlock city teach them lesson JanPawel

1:08pm Sat 14 Dec 13

girlallowed says...

Keeping people informed with the lastest traffic information??? well while i was sat in a jam for over an hour last week the big sign next to me said NO REPORTED PROBLEMS!!!!
Keeping people informed with the lastest traffic information??? well while i was sat in a jam for over an hour last week the big sign next to me said NO REPORTED PROBLEMS!!!! girlallowed

1:27pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Turtlebay says...

girlallowed wrote:
Keeping people informed with the lastest traffic information??? well while i was sat in a jam for over an hour last week the big sign next to me said NO REPORTED PROBLEMS!!!!
Because you are not allowed to use a mobile phone when stuck in a traffic jam so no one has reported the jam!
[quote][p][bold]girlallowed[/bold] wrote: Keeping people informed with the lastest traffic information??? well while i was sat in a jam for over an hour last week the big sign next to me said NO REPORTED PROBLEMS!!!![/p][/quote]Because you are not allowed to use a mobile phone when stuck in a traffic jam so no one has reported the jam! Turtlebay

1:30pm Sat 14 Dec 13

redsnapper says...

Expect Rayment & Co to do absolutely nothing to improve the situation. Councils are only focussed on making money from parking they haven't got the brains to improve traffic flow or public transport systems.
Expect Rayment & Co to do absolutely nothing to improve the situation. Councils are only focussed on making money from parking they haven't got the brains to improve traffic flow or public transport systems. redsnapper

1:39pm Sat 14 Dec 13

03alpe01 says...

Dear Jacqui Rayment,

You are not doing everything you can to improve the problem. If you were, then you would have introduced a Park and Ride system years ago, just like every other Town/City in the Country has got.

Sincerely,

Me
Dear Jacqui Rayment, You are not doing everything you can to improve the problem. If you were, then you would have introduced a Park and Ride system years ago, just like every other Town/City in the Country has got. Sincerely, Me 03alpe01

2:20pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Soton1976 says...

The traffic has been bad in Southampton, but everyone goes on about park and ride. Where will this be located?
The traffic has been bad in Southampton, but everyone goes on about park and ride. Where will this be located? Soton1976

2:21pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Why can't most of these people(excluding those with a genuine need of a car) get the bus, walk, cycle or even car share? That way, the traffic chaos wouldn't be as bad as it is, in that respect, Britain is getting as fat and lazy as the US.
Why can't most of these people(excluding those with a genuine need of a car) get the bus, walk, cycle or even car share? That way, the traffic chaos wouldn't be as bad as it is, in that respect, Britain is getting as fat and lazy as the US. Ginger_cyclist

2:22pm Sat 14 Dec 13

mickey01 says...

this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works
this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works mickey01

2:27pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Soton1976 wrote:
The traffic has been bad in Southampton, but everyone goes on about park and ride. Where will this be located?
The fields used for Bursledon car boot sale is used for park and ride for football, so why can't the council use a similar field near each motorway exit for a more permanent park and ride that goes into town? You know, like the Winchester park and ride at Hockley link.
[quote][p][bold]Soton1976[/bold] wrote: The traffic has been bad in Southampton, but everyone goes on about park and ride. Where will this be located?[/p][/quote]The fields used for Bursledon car boot sale is used for park and ride for football, so why can't the council use a similar field near each motorway exit for a more permanent park and ride that goes into town? You know, like the Winchester park and ride at Hockley link. Ginger_cyclist

2:32pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

mickey01 wrote:
this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works
In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.
[quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works[/p][/quote]In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car. Ginger_cyclist

2:41pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Donald2000 says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works
In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.
Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works[/p][/quote]In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.[/p][/quote]Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere. Donald2000

2:51pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Donald2000 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works
In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.
Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.
No, it's the overweight people that they cause, before the car, you had 5 choices for getting around, horse back, horse drawn carriage, cycling a penny-farthing or early "safety" cycle or your own 2 feet.
[quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works[/p][/quote]In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.[/p][/quote]Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.[/p][/quote]No, it's the overweight people that they cause, before the car, you had 5 choices for getting around, horse back, horse drawn carriage, cycling a penny-farthing or early "safety" cycle or your own 2 feet. Ginger_cyclist

2:51pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Positively4thStreet says...

Donald2000 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works
In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.
Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.
My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.
[quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works[/p][/quote]In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.[/p][/quote]Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.[/p][/quote]My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life. Positively4thStreet

2:53pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works
In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.
Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.
My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.
It's the choice of driving everywhere that makes people overweight, some counter this with exercise but not everyone does, because we are a lazy species.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works[/p][/quote]In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.[/p][/quote]Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.[/p][/quote]My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.[/p][/quote]It's the choice of driving everywhere that makes people overweight, some counter this with exercise but not everyone does, because we are a lazy species. Ginger_cyclist

2:55pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Mary80 says...

Its got nothing to do with how many cruise ships we've had them for a very long time and had none of these issues before. Its a mixture of too many cars going to one place and badly designed roads that cannot handle the sheer number of vehicles all trying to use them. Blaming the cruise ships is ridiculous. We need more bridges to help ease the traffic
Its got nothing to do with how many cruise ships we've had them for a very long time and had none of these issues before. Its a mixture of too many cars going to one place and badly designed roads that cannot handle the sheer number of vehicles all trying to use them. Blaming the cruise ships is ridiculous. We need more bridges to help ease the traffic Mary80

2:57pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Mary80 wrote:
Its got nothing to do with how many cruise ships we've had them for a very long time and had none of these issues before. Its a mixture of too many cars going to one place and badly designed roads that cannot handle the sheer number of vehicles all trying to use them. Blaming the cruise ships is ridiculous. We need more bridges to help ease the traffic
What we really need, is less cars on the road, would ease congestion AND make the roads inherently safer.
[quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: Its got nothing to do with how many cruise ships we've had them for a very long time and had none of these issues before. Its a mixture of too many cars going to one place and badly designed roads that cannot handle the sheer number of vehicles all trying to use them. Blaming the cruise ships is ridiculous. We need more bridges to help ease the traffic[/p][/quote]What we really need, is less cars on the road, would ease congestion AND make the roads inherently safer. Ginger_cyclist

2:58pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Positively4thStreet says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works
In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.
Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.
My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.
It's the choice of driving everywhere that makes people overweight, some counter this with exercise but not everyone does, because we are a lazy species.
A lot depends on what you do when you're out of the car though Ginger,I keep fit by working my KP nuts off!
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works[/p][/quote]In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.[/p][/quote]Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.[/p][/quote]My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.[/p][/quote]It's the choice of driving everywhere that makes people overweight, some counter this with exercise but not everyone does, because we are a lazy species.[/p][/quote]A lot depends on what you do when you're out of the car though Ginger,I keep fit by working my KP nuts off! Positively4thStreet

3:03pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works
In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.
Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.
My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.
It's the choice of driving everywhere that makes people overweight, some counter this with exercise but not everyone does, because we are a lazy species.
A lot depends on what you do when you're out of the car though Ginger,I keep fit by working my KP nuts off!
Yeah, some people have physically demanding jobs that allow them to fend off weight gain but that is still, in a way, a form of exercise as you're then still exercising your muscles and body but most people these days, have desk jobs.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works[/p][/quote]In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.[/p][/quote]Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.[/p][/quote]My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.[/p][/quote]It's the choice of driving everywhere that makes people overweight, some counter this with exercise but not everyone does, because we are a lazy species.[/p][/quote]A lot depends on what you do when you're out of the car though Ginger,I keep fit by working my KP nuts off![/p][/quote]Yeah, some people have physically demanding jobs that allow them to fend off weight gain but that is still, in a way, a form of exercise as you're then still exercising your muscles and body but most people these days, have desk jobs. Ginger_cyclist

4:26pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ronnie G says...

Only bloody thing I see JR doing a grand job of, is making life harder for us residents to travel into southampton to spend our hard earned cash in the city centre shops.
Traffic is at a standstill, due to cr@p management Jacqui, actually it's just sheer lack of brains, alongside reducing the funding for public transport on certain (political,point scoring) routes, the amount that was reduced to us from central gov had nothing to do with the better bus fund SCC had received on top of public transport fund either.
Something else that's been spent elsewhere..
Only bloody thing I see JR doing a grand job of, is making life harder for us residents to travel into southampton to spend our hard earned cash in the city centre shops. Traffic is at a standstill, due to cr@p management Jacqui, actually it's just sheer lack of brains, alongside reducing the funding for public transport on certain (political,point scoring) routes, the amount that was reduced to us from central gov had nothing to do with the better bus fund SCC had received on top of public transport fund either. Something else that's been spent elsewhere.. Ronnie G

4:43pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Kiera_Malone says...

Once again the Cruise ships are unfairly blamed for the delays on the roads. All throughout the year we have had two-three ships in most days, up to five during peak times, and even SEVEN in during the P&O celebrations. We never had any issues with traffic during these times, it always flowed well unless an accident occured.

I live behind the Mayflower Terminal and have Mountbatten Way (A33) inbetween. The only times the cruise ships would potentially hold up traffic is during disembarkation and embarkation (Between 6.30am and 11am). Needless to say the only time the A33 has been snarled up in the last few weeks has been going OUT of the city, or due to an accident a short way down the road.

The main reason is the stupid amount of roadworks going on right now, which to put in place in the last few weeks before Christmas is ridiculous. THIS is the reason for the traffic issues, not the cruise ships. Please stop blaming them as you have done in the last few reports you have done on this issue.
Once again the Cruise ships are unfairly blamed for the delays on the roads. All throughout the year we have had two-three ships in most days, up to five during peak times, and even SEVEN in during the P&O celebrations. We never had any issues with traffic during these times, it always flowed well unless an accident occured. I live behind the Mayflower Terminal and have Mountbatten Way (A33) inbetween. The only times the cruise ships would potentially hold up traffic is during disembarkation and embarkation (Between 6.30am and 11am). Needless to say the only time the A33 has been snarled up in the last few weeks has been going OUT of the city, or due to an accident a short way down the road. The main reason is the stupid amount of roadworks going on right now, which to put in place in the last few weeks before Christmas is ridiculous. THIS is the reason for the traffic issues, not the cruise ships. Please stop blaming them as you have done in the last few reports you have done on this issue. Kiera_Malone

4:49pm Sat 14 Dec 13

iandharvey says...

I imagine that cruise companies will be seriously considering moving their business to Liverpool if Southampton continues to demonstrate it can't manage traffic to and from the docks.
I imagine that cruise companies will be seriously considering moving their business to Liverpool if Southampton continues to demonstrate it can't manage traffic to and from the docks. iandharvey

5:23pm Sat 14 Dec 13

loosehead says...

They say roadworks, cruise ships and Christmas shoppers could cause a repeat of the tailbacks that have ground parts of the city to a halt twice in the past fortnight.Tomorrow will see two cruise liners in port .
yet they say this is part of the problem?
God knows what would have happened in the peak summer period?
Maybe restrict the Itchen Bridge to Southampton residents & Dock related traffic?
But Honestly people now know there's roadworks taking place so why not use another route?
I come into town from the West & as of now we have no problems so not much effect from the cruise ships is there?
They say roadworks, cruise ships and Christmas shoppers could cause a repeat of the tailbacks that have ground parts of the city to a halt twice in the past fortnight.Tomorrow will see two cruise liners in port . yet they say this is part of the problem? God knows what would have happened in the peak summer period? Maybe restrict the Itchen Bridge to Southampton residents & Dock related traffic? But Honestly people now know there's roadworks taking place so why not use another route? I come into town from the West & as of now we have no problems so not much effect from the cruise ships is there? loosehead

5:35pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Mary80 says...

Blaming the cruise ships always makes me laugh as we've NEVER had such terrible road issues in the long time we've had the cruise ships here. The only 2 problems are the road works and badly designed roads that simply cannot cope with the big surge of traffic. I live literally a few minutes from the Itchen Bridge and do try to avoid the city centre at rush hour as being stuck on the roads for hours isnt my idea of fun
Blaming the cruise ships always makes me laugh as we've NEVER had such terrible road issues in the long time we've had the cruise ships here. The only 2 problems are the road works and badly designed roads that simply cannot cope with the big surge of traffic. I live literally a few minutes from the Itchen Bridge and do try to avoid the city centre at rush hour as being stuck on the roads for hours isnt my idea of fun Mary80

5:55pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Torchie1 says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works
In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.
Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.
My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.
It's the choice of driving everywhere that makes people overweight, some counter this with exercise but not everyone does, because we are a lazy species.
A lot depends on what you do when you're out of the car though Ginger,I keep fit by working my KP nuts off!
Yeah, some people have physically demanding jobs that allow them to fend off weight gain but that is still, in a way, a form of exercise as you're then still exercising your muscles and body but most people these days, have desk jobs.
You're getting more like Southy every day as you try to ram your 'I know best' attitude down everyone else's throat.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works[/p][/quote]In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.[/p][/quote]Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.[/p][/quote]My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.[/p][/quote]It's the choice of driving everywhere that makes people overweight, some counter this with exercise but not everyone does, because we are a lazy species.[/p][/quote]A lot depends on what you do when you're out of the car though Ginger,I keep fit by working my KP nuts off![/p][/quote]Yeah, some people have physically demanding jobs that allow them to fend off weight gain but that is still, in a way, a form of exercise as you're then still exercising your muscles and body but most people these days, have desk jobs.[/p][/quote]You're getting more like Southy every day as you try to ram your 'I know best' attitude down everyone else's throat. Torchie1

5:59pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works
In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.
Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.
My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.
It's the choice of driving everywhere that makes people overweight, some counter this with exercise but not everyone does, because we are a lazy species.
A lot depends on what you do when you're out of the car though Ginger,I keep fit by working my KP nuts off!
Yeah, some people have physically demanding jobs that allow them to fend off weight gain but that is still, in a way, a form of exercise as you're then still exercising your muscles and body but most people these days, have desk jobs.
You're getting more like Southy every day as you try to ram your 'I know best' attitude down everyone else's throat.
I'm not trying to ram anything down anyone's throats, I'm just stating facts that you can easily find if you look for them.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works[/p][/quote]In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.[/p][/quote]Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.[/p][/quote]My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.[/p][/quote]It's the choice of driving everywhere that makes people overweight, some counter this with exercise but not everyone does, because we are a lazy species.[/p][/quote]A lot depends on what you do when you're out of the car though Ginger,I keep fit by working my KP nuts off![/p][/quote]Yeah, some people have physically demanding jobs that allow them to fend off weight gain but that is still, in a way, a form of exercise as you're then still exercising your muscles and body but most people these days, have desk jobs.[/p][/quote]You're getting more like Southy every day as you try to ram your 'I know best' attitude down everyone else's throat.[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to ram anything down anyone's throats, I'm just stating facts that you can easily find if you look for them. Ginger_cyclist

6:00pm Sat 14 Dec 13

funchal says...

Reading all the comments on here about this congestion problem, shows that the main problem is clearly the roadworks and the planning of them. When I looked on the Southampton City Council page for roadworks it said that they are not expected to finish until April 8th 2015!! If I am wrong please forgive me but that means that roads around Dock Gate 4 will be a continual problem.
Reading all the comments on here about this congestion problem, shows that the main problem is clearly the roadworks and the planning of them. When I looked on the Southampton City Council page for roadworks it said that they are not expected to finish until April 8th 2015!! If I am wrong please forgive me but that means that roads around Dock Gate 4 will be a continual problem. funchal

6:04pm Sat 14 Dec 13

freakout says...

And all the bus drivers get abuse due to being late !Not there fault there late ,But the controllers could be decent enough to put them back on time ,Oh that only happens if your in the click
And all the bus drivers get abuse due to being late !Not there fault there late ,But the controllers could be decent enough to put them back on time ,Oh that only happens if your in the click freakout

6:11pm Sat 14 Dec 13

forest hump says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works
In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.
Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.
My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.
It's the choice of driving everywhere that makes people overweight, some counter this with exercise but not everyone does, because we are a lazy species.
A lot depends on what you do when you're out of the car though Ginger,I keep fit by working my KP nuts off!
Yeah, some people have physically demanding jobs that allow them to fend off weight gain but that is still, in a way, a form of exercise as you're then still exercising your muscles and body but most people these days, have desk jobs.
You're getting more like Southy every day as you try to ram your 'I know best' attitude down everyone else's throat.
I'm not trying to ram anything down anyone's throats, I'm just stating facts that you can easily find if you look for them.
So what is your source of information and what makes it legible?
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works[/p][/quote]In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.[/p][/quote]Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.[/p][/quote]My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.[/p][/quote]It's the choice of driving everywhere that makes people overweight, some counter this with exercise but not everyone does, because we are a lazy species.[/p][/quote]A lot depends on what you do when you're out of the car though Ginger,I keep fit by working my KP nuts off![/p][/quote]Yeah, some people have physically demanding jobs that allow them to fend off weight gain but that is still, in a way, a form of exercise as you're then still exercising your muscles and body but most people these days, have desk jobs.[/p][/quote]You're getting more like Southy every day as you try to ram your 'I know best' attitude down everyone else's throat.[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to ram anything down anyone's throats, I'm just stating facts that you can easily find if you look for them.[/p][/quote]So what is your source of information and what makes it legible? forest hump

6:26pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Torchie1 says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works
In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.
Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.
My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.
It's the choice of driving everywhere that makes people overweight, some counter this with exercise but not everyone does, because we are a lazy species.
A lot depends on what you do when you're out of the car though Ginger,I keep fit by working my KP nuts off!
Yeah, some people have physically demanding jobs that allow them to fend off weight gain but that is still, in a way, a form of exercise as you're then still exercising your muscles and body but most people these days, have desk jobs.
You're getting more like Southy every day as you try to ram your 'I know best' attitude down everyone else's throat.
I'm not trying to ram anything down anyone's throats, I'm just stating facts that you can easily find if you look for them.
Is it a coincidence that your reply is exactly what I'd expect from your mentor in Redbridge.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works[/p][/quote]In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.[/p][/quote]Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.[/p][/quote]My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.[/p][/quote]It's the choice of driving everywhere that makes people overweight, some counter this with exercise but not everyone does, because we are a lazy species.[/p][/quote]A lot depends on what you do when you're out of the car though Ginger,I keep fit by working my KP nuts off![/p][/quote]Yeah, some people have physically demanding jobs that allow them to fend off weight gain but that is still, in a way, a form of exercise as you're then still exercising your muscles and body but most people these days, have desk jobs.[/p][/quote]You're getting more like Southy every day as you try to ram your 'I know best' attitude down everyone else's throat.[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to ram anything down anyone's throats, I'm just stating facts that you can easily find if you look for them.[/p][/quote]Is it a coincidence that your reply is exactly what I'd expect from your mentor in Redbridge. Torchie1

6:29pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

forest hump wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works
In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.
Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.
My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.
It's the choice of driving everywhere that makes people overweight, some counter this with exercise but not everyone does, because we are a lazy species.
A lot depends on what you do when you're out of the car though Ginger,I keep fit by working my KP nuts off!
Yeah, some people have physically demanding jobs that allow them to fend off weight gain but that is still, in a way, a form of exercise as you're then still exercising your muscles and body but most people these days, have desk jobs.
You're getting more like Southy every day as you try to ram your 'I know best' attitude down everyone else's throat.
I'm not trying to ram anything down anyone's throats, I'm just stating facts that you can easily find if you look for them.
So what is your source of information and what makes it legible?
A study conducted by a university in the US showing a correlation between motoring and people getting fatter;
http://news.illinois
.edu/news/11/0511obe
sity_SheldonJacobson
.html

http://news.medill.n
orthwestern.edu/chic
ago/news.aspx?id=186
413

As for all these cars being the cause of longer journey times, a few years ago, it would only take 15 to 20 minutes to get and from town on the bus, during rush hour now it takes between 30 to 40 minutes during rush hour, more cars mean longer journey times.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works[/p][/quote]In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.[/p][/quote]Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.[/p][/quote]My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.[/p][/quote]It's the choice of driving everywhere that makes people overweight, some counter this with exercise but not everyone does, because we are a lazy species.[/p][/quote]A lot depends on what you do when you're out of the car though Ginger,I keep fit by working my KP nuts off![/p][/quote]Yeah, some people have physically demanding jobs that allow them to fend off weight gain but that is still, in a way, a form of exercise as you're then still exercising your muscles and body but most people these days, have desk jobs.[/p][/quote]You're getting more like Southy every day as you try to ram your 'I know best' attitude down everyone else's throat.[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to ram anything down anyone's throats, I'm just stating facts that you can easily find if you look for them.[/p][/quote]So what is your source of information and what makes it legible?[/p][/quote]A study conducted by a university in the US showing a correlation between motoring and people getting fatter; http://news.illinois .edu/news/11/0511obe sity_SheldonJacobson .html http://news.medill.n orthwestern.edu/chic ago/news.aspx?id=186 413 As for all these cars being the cause of longer journey times, a few years ago, it would only take 15 to 20 minutes to get and from town on the bus, during rush hour now it takes between 30 to 40 minutes during rush hour, more cars mean longer journey times. Ginger_cyclist

6:32pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works
In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.
Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.
My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.
It's the choice of driving everywhere that makes people overweight, some counter this with exercise but not everyone does, because we are a lazy species.
A lot depends on what you do when you're out of the car though Ginger,I keep fit by working my KP nuts off!
Yeah, some people have physically demanding jobs that allow them to fend off weight gain but that is still, in a way, a form of exercise as you're then still exercising your muscles and body but most people these days, have desk jobs.
You're getting more like Southy every day as you try to ram your 'I know best' attitude down everyone else's throat.
I'm not trying to ram anything down anyone's throats, I'm just stating facts that you can easily find if you look for them.
Is it a coincidence that your reply is exactly what I'd expect from your mentor in Redbridge.
I don't even know who southy is other than someone who often makes themselves look a fool on here and I'm nothing like him, I don't try ramming stuff down the throats of others and also, I make sure to do some research before saying anything, to reduce the risk that I might make a mistake and if I do make a mistake that gets pointed out to me, I don't keep on making bull to try and make it sound right, I accept that I'm wrong if or when I'm wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works[/p][/quote]In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.[/p][/quote]Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.[/p][/quote]My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.[/p][/quote]It's the choice of driving everywhere that makes people overweight, some counter this with exercise but not everyone does, because we are a lazy species.[/p][/quote]A lot depends on what you do when you're out of the car though Ginger,I keep fit by working my KP nuts off![/p][/quote]Yeah, some people have physically demanding jobs that allow them to fend off weight gain but that is still, in a way, a form of exercise as you're then still exercising your muscles and body but most people these days, have desk jobs.[/p][/quote]You're getting more like Southy every day as you try to ram your 'I know best' attitude down everyone else's throat.[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to ram anything down anyone's throats, I'm just stating facts that you can easily find if you look for them.[/p][/quote]Is it a coincidence that your reply is exactly what I'd expect from your mentor in Redbridge.[/p][/quote]I don't even know who southy is other than someone who often makes themselves look a fool on here and I'm nothing like him, I don't try ramming stuff down the throats of others and also, I make sure to do some research before saying anything, to reduce the risk that I might make a mistake and if I do make a mistake that gets pointed out to me, I don't keep on making bull to try and make it sound right, I accept that I'm wrong if or when I'm wrong. Ginger_cyclist

7:18pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Micle1974 says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Soton1976 wrote:
The traffic has been bad in Southampton, but everyone goes on about park and ride. Where will this be located?
The fields used for Bursledon car boot sale is used for park and ride for football, so why can't the council use a similar field near each motorway exit for a more permanent park and ride that goes into town? You know, like the Winchester park and ride at Hockley link.
Bottom of M271 nr Adams Moorey at Gover Rd (Sometimes used for boat show park and ride)

M27 J5 Stoneham Way where they tried to build the new saints stadium

M27 J8 at Bursledon Market (Used for football park and ride ATM)
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soton1976[/bold] wrote: The traffic has been bad in Southampton, but everyone goes on about park and ride. Where will this be located?[/p][/quote]The fields used for Bursledon car boot sale is used for park and ride for football, so why can't the council use a similar field near each motorway exit for a more permanent park and ride that goes into town? You know, like the Winchester park and ride at Hockley link.[/p][/quote]Bottom of M271 nr Adams Moorey at Gover Rd (Sometimes used for boat show park and ride) M27 J5 Stoneham Way where they tried to build the new saints stadium M27 J8 at Bursledon Market (Used for football park and ride ATM) Micle1974

7:38pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Micle1974 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Soton1976 wrote:
The traffic has been bad in Southampton, but everyone goes on about park and ride. Where will this be located?
The fields used for Bursledon car boot sale is used for park and ride for football, so why can't the council use a similar field near each motorway exit for a more permanent park and ride that goes into town? You know, like the Winchester park and ride at Hockley link.
Bottom of M271 nr Adams Moorey at Gover Rd (Sometimes used for boat show park and ride)

M27 J5 Stoneham Way where they tried to build the new saints stadium

M27 J8 at Bursledon Market (Used for football park and ride ATM)
Exactly, so we know that park and ride can easily be done in Southampton, the council just can't be bothered to invest in it.
[quote][p][bold]Micle1974[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Soton1976[/bold] wrote: The traffic has been bad in Southampton, but everyone goes on about park and ride. Where will this be located?[/p][/quote]The fields used for Bursledon car boot sale is used for park and ride for football, so why can't the council use a similar field near each motorway exit for a more permanent park and ride that goes into town? You know, like the Winchester park and ride at Hockley link.[/p][/quote]Bottom of M271 nr Adams Moorey at Gover Rd (Sometimes used for boat show park and ride) M27 J5 Stoneham Way where they tried to build the new saints stadium M27 J8 at Bursledon Market (Used for football park and ride ATM)[/p][/quote]Exactly, so we know that park and ride can easily be done in Southampton, the council just can't be bothered to invest in it. Ginger_cyclist

8:09pm Sat 14 Dec 13

enterprise3 says...

When I first moved here in 1991 you could get from one side of the city to the other in about half an hour by car and maybe forty five minutes by bus.
Now it seems to take that long to get from the city centre to bitterne at certain times. The Council (of all political colours) seem to have it in for the people of this city!
The amount of traffic lights is quite frankly absurd, and the phasing of said lights is a sick joke. Add mini-roundabouts that seem to breed like rabbits, constant road works, and speed humps the size of the Berlin Wall and I'm often surprised that anyone can get anywhere!
All this ruins it for ALL road users.
When I first moved here in 1991 you could get from one side of the city to the other in about half an hour by car and maybe forty five minutes by bus. Now it seems to take that long to get from the city centre to bitterne at certain times. The Council (of all political colours) seem to have it in for the people of this city! The amount of traffic lights is quite frankly absurd, and the phasing of said lights is a sick joke. Add mini-roundabouts that seem to breed like rabbits, constant road works, and speed humps the size of the Berlin Wall and I'm often surprised that anyone can get anywhere! All this ruins it for ALL road users. enterprise3

8:33pm Sat 14 Dec 13

sparkster says...

I think a lot more use could be made of public transport, where \i live you can get to southampton by bus or train, i know its handy to go to southampton by car but then you have to pay to park, i agree with a lot of the above posts, especially more use of public transport/car sharing
I think a lot more use could be made of public transport, where \i live you can get to southampton by bus or train, i know its handy to go to southampton by car but then you have to pay to park, i agree with a lot of the above posts, especially more use of public transport/car sharing sparkster

9:11pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

03alpe01 wrote:
Dear Jacqui Rayment,

You are not doing everything you can to improve the problem. If you were, then you would have introduced a Park and Ride system years ago, just like every other Town/City in the Country has got.

Sincerely,

Me
December 2003 ......... City plans ambitious park-and-ride blitz

An ambitious park-and-ride scheme could be up and running in Southampton within three years, say civic chiefs.

Huge car parks on the north, east and west sides of the city could be built to help ease pressure on a car-clogged city centre - with a site at Stoneham most likely to be first.

But the announcement has stirred up anger among residents anxious to keep land on their doorsteps tarmac-free.

They say they'll face daily traffic nightmares in their roads and the value of their homes will plummet.

All three sites, at Stoneham near junction five of the M27, Windhover near junction eight, and Redbridge's Gover Road, just off the M271, are outside or partly outside Southampton City Council's boundary.
.
.
So it goes back at least 10 years looking for a suitable P&R scheme.
.
Perhaps you should be directing you venom to other political bodies that were once again failing the residents of this City.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Dear Jacqui Rayment, You are not doing everything you can to improve the problem. If you were, then you would have introduced a Park and Ride system years ago, just like every other Town/City in the Country has got. Sincerely, Me[/p][/quote]December 2003 ......... City plans ambitious park-and-ride blitz An ambitious park-and-ride scheme could be up and running in Southampton within three years, say civic chiefs. Huge car parks on the north, east and west sides of the city could be built to help ease pressure on a car-clogged city centre - with a site at Stoneham most likely to be first. But the announcement has stirred up anger among residents anxious to keep land on their doorsteps tarmac-free. They say they'll face daily traffic nightmares in their roads and the value of their homes will plummet. All three sites, at Stoneham near junction five of the M27, Windhover near junction eight, and Redbridge's Gover Road, just off the M271, are outside or partly outside Southampton City Council's boundary. . . So it goes back at least 10 years looking for a suitable P&R scheme. . Perhaps you should be directing you venom to other political bodies that were once again failing the residents of this City. Lone Ranger.

9:16pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Dear Jacqui Rayment,

You are not doing everything you can to improve the problem. If you were, then you would have introduced a Park and Ride system years ago, just like every other Town/City in the Country has got.

Sincerely,

Me
December 2003 ......... City plans ambitious park-and-ride blitz

An ambitious park-and-ride scheme could be up and running in Southampton within three years, say civic chiefs.

Huge car parks on the north, east and west sides of the city could be built to help ease pressure on a car-clogged city centre - with a site at Stoneham most likely to be first.

But the announcement has stirred up anger among residents anxious to keep land on their doorsteps tarmac-free.

They say they'll face daily traffic nightmares in their roads and the value of their homes will plummet.

All three sites, at Stoneham near junction five of the M27, Windhover near junction eight, and Redbridge's Gover Road, just off the M271, are outside or partly outside Southampton City Council's boundary.
.
.
So it goes back at least 10 years looking for a suitable P&R scheme.
.
Perhaps you should be directing you venom to other political bodies that were once again failing the residents of this City.
So it was the nimby brigade who ruined those plans.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Dear Jacqui Rayment, You are not doing everything you can to improve the problem. If you were, then you would have introduced a Park and Ride system years ago, just like every other Town/City in the Country has got. Sincerely, Me[/p][/quote]December 2003 ......... City plans ambitious park-and-ride blitz An ambitious park-and-ride scheme could be up and running in Southampton within three years, say civic chiefs. Huge car parks on the north, east and west sides of the city could be built to help ease pressure on a car-clogged city centre - with a site at Stoneham most likely to be first. But the announcement has stirred up anger among residents anxious to keep land on their doorsteps tarmac-free. They say they'll face daily traffic nightmares in their roads and the value of their homes will plummet. All three sites, at Stoneham near junction five of the M27, Windhover near junction eight, and Redbridge's Gover Road, just off the M271, are outside or partly outside Southampton City Council's boundary. . . So it goes back at least 10 years looking for a suitable P&R scheme. . Perhaps you should be directing you venom to other political bodies that were once again failing the residents of this City.[/p][/quote]So it was the nimby brigade who ruined those plans. Ginger_cyclist

9:30pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Dear Jacqui Rayment,

You are not doing everything you can to improve the problem. If you were, then you would have introduced a Park and Ride system years ago, just like every other Town/City in the Country has got.

Sincerely,

Me
December 2003 ......... City plans ambitious park-and-ride blitz

An ambitious park-and-ride scheme could be up and running in Southampton within three years, say civic chiefs.

Huge car parks on the north, east and west sides of the city could be built to help ease pressure on a car-clogged city centre - with a site at Stoneham most likely to be first.

But the announcement has stirred up anger among residents anxious to keep land on their doorsteps tarmac-free.

They say they'll face daily traffic nightmares in their roads and the value of their homes will plummet.

All three sites, at Stoneham near junction five of the M27, Windhover near junction eight, and Redbridge's Gover Road, just off the M271, are outside or partly outside Southampton City Council's boundary.
.
.
So it goes back at least 10 years looking for a suitable P&R scheme.
.
Perhaps you should be directing you venom to other political bodies that were once again failing the residents of this City.
So it was the nimby brigade who ruined those plans.
There was an article/letter in the Echo recently when Samuals was running the Council saying that the Council then could not find a suitable P&R location for Southampton.
.
As you can see this has been chugging around for years ......... but some stupid loons think that no one has ever considered the idea before and are happy to put the blame at individuals doors now.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Dear Jacqui Rayment, You are not doing everything you can to improve the problem. If you were, then you would have introduced a Park and Ride system years ago, just like every other Town/City in the Country has got. Sincerely, Me[/p][/quote]December 2003 ......... City plans ambitious park-and-ride blitz An ambitious park-and-ride scheme could be up and running in Southampton within three years, say civic chiefs. Huge car parks on the north, east and west sides of the city could be built to help ease pressure on a car-clogged city centre - with a site at Stoneham most likely to be first. But the announcement has stirred up anger among residents anxious to keep land on their doorsteps tarmac-free. They say they'll face daily traffic nightmares in their roads and the value of their homes will plummet. All three sites, at Stoneham near junction five of the M27, Windhover near junction eight, and Redbridge's Gover Road, just off the M271, are outside or partly outside Southampton City Council's boundary. . . So it goes back at least 10 years looking for a suitable P&R scheme. . Perhaps you should be directing you venom to other political bodies that were once again failing the residents of this City.[/p][/quote]So it was the nimby brigade who ruined those plans.[/p][/quote]There was an article/letter in the Echo recently when Samuals was running the Council saying that the Council then could not find a suitable P&R location for Southampton. . As you can see this has been chugging around for years ......... but some stupid loons think that no one has ever considered the idea before and are happy to put the blame at individuals doors now. Lone Ranger.

9:31pm Sat 14 Dec 13

enterprise3 says...

The same nimbys that denied The Saints a ground next to a motorway junction, an airport, and a train station!
Which forced the club to move further INTO the city, which adds to the congestion every second Saturday. For which I don't blame the club.
The same nimbys that denied The Saints a ground next to a motorway junction, an airport, and a train station! Which forced the club to move further INTO the city, which adds to the congestion every second Saturday. For which I don't blame the club. enterprise3

10:40pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Positively4thStreet says...

enterprise3 wrote:
The same nimbys that denied The Saints a ground next to a motorway junction, an airport, and a train station!
Which forced the club to move further INTO the city, which adds to the congestion every second Saturday. For which I don't blame the club.
It would make so much difference to congestion levels in the city,not only on match days,but on every day of the week,if they would only re-open Northam station again;and maybe now,with the waterfront developments, even the Terminus station as well.
[quote][p][bold]enterprise3[/bold] wrote: The same nimbys that denied The Saints a ground next to a motorway junction, an airport, and a train station! Which forced the club to move further INTO the city, which adds to the congestion every second Saturday. For which I don't blame the club.[/p][/quote]It would make so much difference to congestion levels in the city,not only on match days,but on every day of the week,if they would only re-open Northam station again;and maybe now,with the waterfront developments, even the Terminus station as well. Positively4thStreet

10:54pm Sat 14 Dec 13

enterprise3 says...

THERE'S A NORTHAM STATION??????
THERE'S A NORTHAM STATION?????? enterprise3

10:56pm Sat 14 Dec 13

sass says...

"Traffic chaos in Southampton tomorrow". Sunday? I very much doubt it!
"Traffic chaos in Southampton tomorrow". Sunday? I very much doubt it! sass

11:27pm Sat 14 Dec 13

Positively4thStreet says...

enterprise3 wrote:
THERE'S A NORTHAM STATION??????
There used to be,and very handy it was too!
[quote][p][bold]enterprise3[/bold] wrote: THERE'S A NORTHAM STATION??????[/p][/quote]There used to be,and very handy it was too! Positively4thStreet

12:58am Sun 15 Dec 13

Inform Al says...

I find it unbelievable that so many drivers shop in Souithampton. I either shop at night at a store where I can park for nothing, or walk into town if I need to use a city shop for any specialist item. I refuse point blank to pay to park my car. I must admit to sometimes going by bus, but it has to be raining very hard for this to happen.
I find it unbelievable that so many drivers shop in Souithampton. I either shop at night at a store where I can park for nothing, or walk into town if I need to use a city shop for any specialist item. I refuse point blank to pay to park my car. I must admit to sometimes going by bus, but it has to be raining very hard for this to happen. Inform Al

3:03am Sun 15 Dec 13

metalmunki says...

I would hope they are at least looking at pedestrian underpasses in the long term along Civic Centre Road including the junction leading to western esplanade/havelock road., and then barriering off the center of the road to pedestrians above ground.

It's easily the biggest choke point for traffic in the city centre, and lot of it caused by the combination of traffic lights and pedestrian crossings all mixed up together. It really is poorly thought out.
I would hope they are at least looking at pedestrian underpasses in the long term along Civic Centre Road including the junction leading to western esplanade/havelock road., and then barriering off the center of the road to pedestrians above ground. It's easily the biggest choke point for traffic in the city centre, and lot of it caused by the combination of traffic lights and pedestrian crossings all mixed up together. It really is poorly thought out. metalmunki

3:16am Sun 15 Dec 13

Someone_New says...

Inform Al wrote:
I find it unbelievable that so many drivers shop in Souithampton. I either shop at night at a store where I can park for nothing, or walk into town if I need to use a city shop for any specialist item. I refuse point blank to pay to park my car. I must admit to sometimes going by bus, but it has to be raining very hard for this to happen.
But is it not cheaper to drive and pay to park than catch the bus? Obviously it depends on where exactly you live, and where you park, but so long as you live anywhere in the suburbs of the city and don't park at an NCP site then, given the price of buses these days, I'm sure the bus wouldn't be cheaper for those times when it is raining. Plus your car goes from "exactly your address". The bus doesn't (unless you happen to live alongside a bus stop!)
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: I find it unbelievable that so many drivers shop in Souithampton. I either shop at night at a store where I can park for nothing, or walk into town if I need to use a city shop for any specialist item. I refuse point blank to pay to park my car. I must admit to sometimes going by bus, but it has to be raining very hard for this to happen.[/p][/quote]But is it not cheaper to drive and pay to park than catch the bus? Obviously it depends on where exactly you live, and where you park, but so long as you live anywhere in the suburbs of the city and don't park at an NCP site then, given the price of buses these days, I'm sure the bus wouldn't be cheaper for those times when it is raining. Plus your car goes from "exactly your address". The bus doesn't (unless you happen to live alongside a bus stop!) Someone_New

3:19am Sun 15 Dec 13

Someone_New says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works
In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.
Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.
My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.
It's the choice of driving everywhere that makes people overweight, some counter this with exercise but not everyone does, because we are a lazy species.
A lot depends on what you do when you're out of the car though Ginger,I keep fit by working my KP nuts off!
Yeah, some people have physically demanding jobs that allow them to fend off weight gain but that is still, in a way, a form of exercise as you're then still exercising your muscles and body but most people these days, have desk jobs.
You're getting more like Southy every day as you try to ram your 'I know best' attitude down everyone else's throat.
I'm not trying to ram anything down anyone's throats, I'm just stating facts that you can easily find if you look for them.
So what is your source of information and what makes it legible?
A study conducted by a university in the US showing a correlation between motoring and people getting fatter;
http://news.illinois

.edu/news/11/0511obe

sity_SheldonJacobson

.html

http://news.medill.n

orthwestern.edu/chic

ago/news.aspx?id=186

413

As for all these cars being the cause of longer journey times, a few years ago, it would only take 15 to 20 minutes to get and from town on the bus, during rush hour now it takes between 30 to 40 minutes during rush hour, more cars mean longer journey times.
If you keep saying the same thing over and over again does it make it seem more true?

You should pipe down - imagine if EVERY single driver took your advice and jumped on their bikes. The place would be chaos! You on your bike would never get anywhere fast with all those bikers getting in your way!
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works[/p][/quote]In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.[/p][/quote]Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.[/p][/quote]My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.[/p][/quote]It's the choice of driving everywhere that makes people overweight, some counter this with exercise but not everyone does, because we are a lazy species.[/p][/quote]A lot depends on what you do when you're out of the car though Ginger,I keep fit by working my KP nuts off![/p][/quote]Yeah, some people have physically demanding jobs that allow them to fend off weight gain but that is still, in a way, a form of exercise as you're then still exercising your muscles and body but most people these days, have desk jobs.[/p][/quote]You're getting more like Southy every day as you try to ram your 'I know best' attitude down everyone else's throat.[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to ram anything down anyone's throats, I'm just stating facts that you can easily find if you look for them.[/p][/quote]So what is your source of information and what makes it legible?[/p][/quote]A study conducted by a university in the US showing a correlation between motoring and people getting fatter; http://news.illinois .edu/news/11/0511obe sity_SheldonJacobson .html http://news.medill.n orthwestern.edu/chic ago/news.aspx?id=186 413 As for all these cars being the cause of longer journey times, a few years ago, it would only take 15 to 20 minutes to get and from town on the bus, during rush hour now it takes between 30 to 40 minutes during rush hour, more cars mean longer journey times.[/p][/quote]If you keep saying the same thing over and over again does it make it seem more true? You should pipe down - imagine if EVERY single driver took your advice and jumped on their bikes. The place would be chaos! You on your bike would never get anywhere fast with all those bikers getting in your way! Someone_New

7:24am Sun 15 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Someone_New wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works
In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.
Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.
My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.
It's the choice of driving everywhere that makes people overweight, some counter this with exercise but not everyone does, because we are a lazy species.
A lot depends on what you do when you're out of the car though Ginger,I keep fit by working my KP nuts off!
Yeah, some people have physically demanding jobs that allow them to fend off weight gain but that is still, in a way, a form of exercise as you're then still exercising your muscles and body but most people these days, have desk jobs.
You're getting more like Southy every day as you try to ram your 'I know best' attitude down everyone else's throat.
I'm not trying to ram anything down anyone's throats, I'm just stating facts that you can easily find if you look for them.
So what is your source of information and what makes it legible?
A study conducted by a university in the US showing a correlation between motoring and people getting fatter;
http://news.illinois


.edu/news/11/0511obe


sity_SheldonJacobson


.html

http://news.medill.n


orthwestern.edu/chic


ago/news.aspx?id=186


413

As for all these cars being the cause of longer journey times, a few years ago, it would only take 15 to 20 minutes to get and from town on the bus, during rush hour now it takes between 30 to 40 minutes during rush hour, more cars mean longer journey times.
If you keep saying the same thing over and over again does it make it seem more true?

You should pipe down - imagine if EVERY single driver took your advice and jumped on their bikes. The place would be chaos! You on your bike would never get anywhere fast with all those bikers getting in your way!
I don't have to try and make it seem true at all, the evidence does that for me perfectly well thank you, as for all those people getting on their bikes instead of using their cars, you would find their would actually be, at LEAST 3 times MORE space on the road than if you had the same number of cars on the road, as can be seen in the image which this link leads to;
http://shoroc.com/wp
-content/uploads/201
2/11/Transport_cycli
ng.jpg
As you can see, the mode of transport that takes up the least amount of space for that many people, is a bus(almost double that with a double decker), closely followed by bicycles taking up the least space for single occupancy vehicles but low and behold, the car, takes up the MOST space for a privately owned, single occupancy vehicle, just look at it. only way to fit more people in would be to put them on their feet or on 2 wheels between all those cars, what more proof do you need than that, to show that it's motorists that are the root cause of traffic and traffic jams?
[quote][p][bold]Someone_New[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works[/p][/quote]In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.[/p][/quote]Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.[/p][/quote]My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.[/p][/quote]It's the choice of driving everywhere that makes people overweight, some counter this with exercise but not everyone does, because we are a lazy species.[/p][/quote]A lot depends on what you do when you're out of the car though Ginger,I keep fit by working my KP nuts off![/p][/quote]Yeah, some people have physically demanding jobs that allow them to fend off weight gain but that is still, in a way, a form of exercise as you're then still exercising your muscles and body but most people these days, have desk jobs.[/p][/quote]You're getting more like Southy every day as you try to ram your 'I know best' attitude down everyone else's throat.[/p][/quote]I'm not trying to ram anything down anyone's throats, I'm just stating facts that you can easily find if you look for them.[/p][/quote]So what is your source of information and what makes it legible?[/p][/quote]A study conducted by a university in the US showing a correlation between motoring and people getting fatter; http://news.illinois .edu/news/11/0511obe sity_SheldonJacobson .html http://news.medill.n orthwestern.edu/chic ago/news.aspx?id=186 413 As for all these cars being the cause of longer journey times, a few years ago, it would only take 15 to 20 minutes to get and from town on the bus, during rush hour now it takes between 30 to 40 minutes during rush hour, more cars mean longer journey times.[/p][/quote]If you keep saying the same thing over and over again does it make it seem more true? You should pipe down - imagine if EVERY single driver took your advice and jumped on their bikes. The place would be chaos! You on your bike would never get anywhere fast with all those bikers getting in your way![/p][/quote]I don't have to try and make it seem true at all, the evidence does that for me perfectly well thank you, as for all those people getting on their bikes instead of using their cars, you would find their would actually be, at LEAST 3 times MORE space on the road than if you had the same number of cars on the road, as can be seen in the image which this link leads to; http://shoroc.com/wp -content/uploads/201 2/11/Transport_cycli ng.jpg As you can see, the mode of transport that takes up the least amount of space for that many people, is a bus(almost double that with a double decker), closely followed by bicycles taking up the least space for single occupancy vehicles but low and behold, the car, takes up the MOST space for a privately owned, single occupancy vehicle, just look at it. only way to fit more people in would be to put them on their feet or on 2 wheels between all those cars, what more proof do you need than that, to show that it's motorists that are the root cause of traffic and traffic jams? Ginger_cyclist

8:28am Sun 15 Dec 13

in search of the truth says...

iandharvey wrote:
I imagine that cruise companies will be seriously considering moving their business to Liverpool if Southampton continues to demonstrate it can't manage traffic to and from the docks.
Now that cruise passengers have an alternative to traveling 200 miles or more to board their cruise ships it won't be long before even greater numbers of passengers demand and get more cruises originating from Liverpool.

2008 ------ 12 Cruise ships

2014 ------ 52 Cruise ships

2018 ------ ??? Cruise ships

Looks like Southampton will have less of a problem in the years to come.

The cruise operators will do what the market forces dictate in order to keep their business viable, growing numbers of people do not want to travel 100 or more miles to pick up their cruise ship at a cruise ship bus stop on the south coast .
[quote][p][bold]iandharvey[/bold] wrote: I imagine that cruise companies will be seriously considering moving their business to Liverpool if Southampton continues to demonstrate it can't manage traffic to and from the docks.[/p][/quote]Now that cruise passengers have an alternative to traveling 200 miles or more to board their cruise ships it won't be long before even greater numbers of passengers demand and get more cruises originating from Liverpool. 2008 ------ 12 Cruise ships 2014 ------ 52 Cruise ships 2018 ------ ??? Cruise ships Looks like Southampton will have less of a problem in the years to come. The cruise operators will do what the market forces dictate in order to keep their business viable, growing numbers of people do not want to travel 100 or more miles to pick up their cruise ship at a cruise ship bus stop on the south coast . in search of the truth

11:01am Sun 15 Dec 13

thinklikealocal says...

in search of the truth wrote:
iandharvey wrote:
I imagine that cruise companies will be seriously considering moving their business to Liverpool if Southampton continues to demonstrate it can't manage traffic to and from the docks.
Now that cruise passengers have an alternative to traveling 200 miles or more to board their cruise ships it won't be long before even greater numbers of passengers demand and get more cruises originating from Liverpool.

2008 ------ 12 Cruise ships

2014 ------ 52 Cruise ships

2018 ------ ??? Cruise ships

Looks like Southampton will have less of a problem in the years to come.

The cruise operators will do what the market forces dictate in order to keep their business viable, growing numbers of people do not want to travel 100 or more miles to pick up their cruise ship at a cruise ship bus stop on the south coast .
True but then thousands more don't want to spend another day at sea getting down to the Med :)
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]iandharvey[/bold] wrote: I imagine that cruise companies will be seriously considering moving their business to Liverpool if Southampton continues to demonstrate it can't manage traffic to and from the docks.[/p][/quote]Now that cruise passengers have an alternative to traveling 200 miles or more to board their cruise ships it won't be long before even greater numbers of passengers demand and get more cruises originating from Liverpool. 2008 ------ 12 Cruise ships 2014 ------ 52 Cruise ships 2018 ------ ??? Cruise ships Looks like Southampton will have less of a problem in the years to come. The cruise operators will do what the market forces dictate in order to keep their business viable, growing numbers of people do not want to travel 100 or more miles to pick up their cruise ship at a cruise ship bus stop on the south coast .[/p][/quote]True but then thousands more don't want to spend another day at sea getting down to the Med :) thinklikealocal

11:08am Sun 15 Dec 13

vag says...

It's completely F.U.B.A.R. around dock gate 4 / platform road at present. I would have thought yesterday would have been worse. I guess it's because if the ships that are in today.
It's completely F.U.B.A.R. around dock gate 4 / platform road at present. I would have thought yesterday would have been worse. I guess it's because if the ships that are in today. vag

11:33am Sun 15 Dec 13

in search of the truth says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
iandharvey wrote:
I imagine that cruise companies will be seriously considering moving their business to Liverpool if Southampton continues to demonstrate it can't manage traffic to and from the docks.
Now that cruise passengers have an alternative to traveling 200 miles or more to board their cruise ships it won't be long before even greater numbers of passengers demand and get more cruises originating from Liverpool.

2008 ------ 12 Cruise ships

2014 ------ 52 Cruise ships

2018 ------ ??? Cruise ships

Looks like Southampton will have less of a problem in the years to come.

The cruise operators will do what the market forces dictate in order to keep their business viable, growing numbers of people do not want to travel 100 or more miles to pick up their cruise ship at a cruise ship bus stop on the south coast .
True but then thousands more don't want to spend another day at sea getting down to the Med :)
Because the English Channel is the busiest and most congested seaway in the world there are navigational and speed restrictions in force which actually make the difference in time taken from the two ports a lot less than 1 day so there really isn't that much of a disadvantage in sailing from Liverpool. Ships sailing south down the Irish Sea do not have the restrictions that English Channel shipping has.
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]iandharvey[/bold] wrote: I imagine that cruise companies will be seriously considering moving their business to Liverpool if Southampton continues to demonstrate it can't manage traffic to and from the docks.[/p][/quote]Now that cruise passengers have an alternative to traveling 200 miles or more to board their cruise ships it won't be long before even greater numbers of passengers demand and get more cruises originating from Liverpool. 2008 ------ 12 Cruise ships 2014 ------ 52 Cruise ships 2018 ------ ??? Cruise ships Looks like Southampton will have less of a problem in the years to come. The cruise operators will do what the market forces dictate in order to keep their business viable, growing numbers of people do not want to travel 100 or more miles to pick up their cruise ship at a cruise ship bus stop on the south coast .[/p][/quote]True but then thousands more don't want to spend another day at sea getting down to the Med :)[/p][/quote]Because the English Channel is the busiest and most congested seaway in the world there are navigational and speed restrictions in force which actually make the difference in time taken from the two ports a lot less than 1 day so there really isn't that much of a disadvantage in sailing from Liverpool. Ships sailing south down the Irish Sea do not have the restrictions that English Channel shipping has. in search of the truth

11:35am Sun 15 Dec 13

ToastyTea says...

ToastyTea wrote:
THEKILLER wrote:
Why would anyone want to go shopping in Southampton anyway.
for the 99p and £1 stores ?
funny the people who down voted my comment, can't take a joke idiots ?
[quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: Why would anyone want to go shopping in Southampton anyway.[/p][/quote]for the 99p and £1 stores ?[/p][/quote]funny the people who down voted my comment, can't take a joke idiots ? ToastyTea

11:36am Sun 15 Dec 13

redsnapper says...

In Perth WA , albeit a bigger and better run city than Southampton there are 3 free bus circuits which work like a dream for schoolkids, shoppers, tourists etc etc drastically reducing car traffic and adding massively to the great impression one leaves the city with.

Compare Southampton, a city so badly run by the council jobsworths that apart from the success down at SO!4 there is nothing for us to be proud of in what should be one of UK's premier cities

And J Rayment and her.hopeless department are failing hopelessly by having no idea about what they are doing.
In Perth WA , albeit a bigger and better run city than Southampton there are 3 free bus circuits which work like a dream for schoolkids, shoppers, tourists etc etc drastically reducing car traffic and adding massively to the great impression one leaves the city with. Compare Southampton, a city so badly run by the council jobsworths that apart from the success down at SO!4 there is nothing for us to be proud of in what should be one of UK's premier cities And J Rayment and her.hopeless department are failing hopelessly by having no idea about what they are doing. redsnapper

12:04pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Inform Al says...

Someone_New wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
I find it unbelievable that so many drivers shop in Souithampton. I either shop at night at a store where I can park for nothing, or walk into town if I need to use a city shop for any specialist item. I refuse point blank to pay to park my car. I must admit to sometimes going by bus, but it has to be raining very hard for this to happen.
But is it not cheaper to drive and pay to park than catch the bus? Obviously it depends on where exactly you live, and where you park, but so long as you live anywhere in the suburbs of the city and don't park at an NCP site then, given the price of buses these days, I'm sure the bus wouldn't be cheaper for those times when it is raining. Plus your car goes from "exactly your address". The bus doesn't (unless you happen to live alongside a bus stop!)
The reality is that at 69 years of age I do not have to pay a bus fare, the downside is that I live in neglected Swaythling and have to get a number 5 bus into town. These are every half hour or an hour on the frequent times one is withdrawn. I strongly believe this is because the North of the city has the highest percentage of old pharts living there and city bus would rather see cash going into the buses till than to run a service largely devoted to passes. This despite the hand out given to them to do just this. It is actually quicker often to walk into the town centre than to wait for a bus.
[quote][p][bold]Someone_New[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: I find it unbelievable that so many drivers shop in Souithampton. I either shop at night at a store where I can park for nothing, or walk into town if I need to use a city shop for any specialist item. I refuse point blank to pay to park my car. I must admit to sometimes going by bus, but it has to be raining very hard for this to happen.[/p][/quote]But is it not cheaper to drive and pay to park than catch the bus? Obviously it depends on where exactly you live, and where you park, but so long as you live anywhere in the suburbs of the city and don't park at an NCP site then, given the price of buses these days, I'm sure the bus wouldn't be cheaper for those times when it is raining. Plus your car goes from "exactly your address". The bus doesn't (unless you happen to live alongside a bus stop!)[/p][/quote]The reality is that at 69 years of age I do not have to pay a bus fare, the downside is that I live in neglected Swaythling and have to get a number 5 bus into town. These are every half hour or an hour on the frequent times one is withdrawn. I strongly believe this is because the North of the city has the highest percentage of old pharts living there and city bus would rather see cash going into the buses till than to run a service largely devoted to passes. This despite the hand out given to them to do just this. It is actually quicker often to walk into the town centre than to wait for a bus. Inform Al

12:15pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Inform Al wrote:
Someone_New wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
I find it unbelievable that so many drivers shop in Souithampton. I either shop at night at a store where I can park for nothing, or walk into town if I need to use a city shop for any specialist item. I refuse point blank to pay to park my car. I must admit to sometimes going by bus, but it has to be raining very hard for this to happen.
But is it not cheaper to drive and pay to park than catch the bus? Obviously it depends on where exactly you live, and where you park, but so long as you live anywhere in the suburbs of the city and don't park at an NCP site then, given the price of buses these days, I'm sure the bus wouldn't be cheaper for those times when it is raining. Plus your car goes from "exactly your address". The bus doesn't (unless you happen to live alongside a bus stop!)
The reality is that at 69 years of age I do not have to pay a bus fare, the downside is that I live in neglected Swaythling and have to get a number 5 bus into town. These are every half hour or an hour on the frequent times one is withdrawn. I strongly believe this is because the North of the city has the highest percentage of old pharts living there and city bus would rather see cash going into the buses till than to run a service largely devoted to passes. This despite the hand out given to them to do just this. It is actually quicker often to walk into the town centre than to wait for a bus.
At least by walking you're not adding to the problems on the road.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Someone_New[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: I find it unbelievable that so many drivers shop in Souithampton. I either shop at night at a store where I can park for nothing, or walk into town if I need to use a city shop for any specialist item. I refuse point blank to pay to park my car. I must admit to sometimes going by bus, but it has to be raining very hard for this to happen.[/p][/quote]But is it not cheaper to drive and pay to park than catch the bus? Obviously it depends on where exactly you live, and where you park, but so long as you live anywhere in the suburbs of the city and don't park at an NCP site then, given the price of buses these days, I'm sure the bus wouldn't be cheaper for those times when it is raining. Plus your car goes from "exactly your address". The bus doesn't (unless you happen to live alongside a bus stop!)[/p][/quote]The reality is that at 69 years of age I do not have to pay a bus fare, the downside is that I live in neglected Swaythling and have to get a number 5 bus into town. These are every half hour or an hour on the frequent times one is withdrawn. I strongly believe this is because the North of the city has the highest percentage of old pharts living there and city bus would rather see cash going into the buses till than to run a service largely devoted to passes. This despite the hand out given to them to do just this. It is actually quicker often to walk into the town centre than to wait for a bus.[/p][/quote]At least by walking you're not adding to the problems on the road. Ginger_cyclist

12:39pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Inform Al says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Someone_New wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
I find it unbelievable that so many drivers shop in Souithampton. I either shop at night at a store where I can park for nothing, or walk into town if I need to use a city shop for any specialist item. I refuse point blank to pay to park my car. I must admit to sometimes going by bus, but it has to be raining very hard for this to happen.
But is it not cheaper to drive and pay to park than catch the bus? Obviously it depends on where exactly you live, and where you park, but so long as you live anywhere in the suburbs of the city and don't park at an NCP site then, given the price of buses these days, I'm sure the bus wouldn't be cheaper for those times when it is raining. Plus your car goes from "exactly your address". The bus doesn't (unless you happen to live alongside a bus stop!)
The reality is that at 69 years of age I do not have to pay a bus fare, the downside is that I live in neglected Swaythling and have to get a number 5 bus into town. These are every half hour or an hour on the frequent times one is withdrawn. I strongly believe this is because the North of the city has the highest percentage of old pharts living there and city bus would rather see cash going into the buses till than to run a service largely devoted to passes. This despite the hand out given to them to do just this. It is actually quicker often to walk into the town centre than to wait for a bus.
At least by walking you're not adding to the problems on the road.
No, but when I walk along the FOOTpath in Portswood I see too often cyclists riding, at speed, on the footpath putting the safety of elderly pedestrians at risk. As it is often just as quick to walk throuigh Portswood than to drive they cannot use dangerous traffic as an excuse. Fact is they see the footpath as quicker than the road with its often stationary traffic. Unfortunately despite the police's declared intention to do something about this and cycle lights at night I have yet to see a PC or PCSO in Portswood since that intention was declared.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Someone_New[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: I find it unbelievable that so many drivers shop in Souithampton. I either shop at night at a store where I can park for nothing, or walk into town if I need to use a city shop for any specialist item. I refuse point blank to pay to park my car. I must admit to sometimes going by bus, but it has to be raining very hard for this to happen.[/p][/quote]But is it not cheaper to drive and pay to park than catch the bus? Obviously it depends on where exactly you live, and where you park, but so long as you live anywhere in the suburbs of the city and don't park at an NCP site then, given the price of buses these days, I'm sure the bus wouldn't be cheaper for those times when it is raining. Plus your car goes from "exactly your address". The bus doesn't (unless you happen to live alongside a bus stop!)[/p][/quote]The reality is that at 69 years of age I do not have to pay a bus fare, the downside is that I live in neglected Swaythling and have to get a number 5 bus into town. These are every half hour or an hour on the frequent times one is withdrawn. I strongly believe this is because the North of the city has the highest percentage of old pharts living there and city bus would rather see cash going into the buses till than to run a service largely devoted to passes. This despite the hand out given to them to do just this. It is actually quicker often to walk into the town centre than to wait for a bus.[/p][/quote]At least by walking you're not adding to the problems on the road.[/p][/quote]No, but when I walk along the FOOTpath in Portswood I see too often cyclists riding, at speed, on the footpath putting the safety of elderly pedestrians at risk. As it is often just as quick to walk throuigh Portswood than to drive they cannot use dangerous traffic as an excuse. Fact is they see the footpath as quicker than the road with its often stationary traffic. Unfortunately despite the police's declared intention to do something about this and cycle lights at night I have yet to see a PC or PCSO in Portswood since that intention was declared. Inform Al

1:45pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Donald2000 says...

ToastyTea wrote:
ToastyTea wrote:
THEKILLER wrote:
Why would anyone want to go shopping in Southampton anyway.
for the 99p and £1 stores ?
funny the people who down voted my comment, can't take a joke idiots ?
I voted for your last comment.
[quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: Why would anyone want to go shopping in Southampton anyway.[/p][/quote]for the 99p and £1 stores ?[/p][/quote]funny the people who down voted my comment, can't take a joke idiots ?[/p][/quote]I voted for your last comment. Donald2000

5:01pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

ToastyTea wrote:
ToastyTea wrote:
THEKILLER wrote:
Why would anyone want to go shopping in Southampton anyway.
for the 99p and £1 stores ?
funny the people who down voted my comment, can't take a joke idiots ?
Blimey the number of posters that get stroppy with a "Thumbs Down" and not a "Thumbs Up" .......... For Gods sake get a life wil you ..... like a bunch of kids
.
Who gives a t0ss .......
.
Even sadder are the ones that "Thumbs Up" their own posts ..... Now that is SAD
[quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: Why would anyone want to go shopping in Southampton anyway.[/p][/quote]for the 99p and £1 stores ?[/p][/quote]funny the people who down voted my comment, can't take a joke idiots ?[/p][/quote]Blimey the number of posters that get stroppy with a "Thumbs Down" and not a "Thumbs Up" .......... For Gods sake get a life wil you ..... like a bunch of kids . Who gives a t0ss ....... . Even sadder are the ones that "Thumbs Up" their own posts ..... Now that is SAD Lone Ranger.

5:58pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Inform Al wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Someone_New wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
I find it unbelievable that so many drivers shop in Souithampton. I either shop at night at a store where I can park for nothing, or walk into town if I need to use a city shop for any specialist item. I refuse point blank to pay to park my car. I must admit to sometimes going by bus, but it has to be raining very hard for this to happen.
But is it not cheaper to drive and pay to park than catch the bus? Obviously it depends on where exactly you live, and where you park, but so long as you live anywhere in the suburbs of the city and don't park at an NCP site then, given the price of buses these days, I'm sure the bus wouldn't be cheaper for those times when it is raining. Plus your car goes from "exactly your address". The bus doesn't (unless you happen to live alongside a bus stop!)
The reality is that at 69 years of age I do not have to pay a bus fare, the downside is that I live in neglected Swaythling and have to get a number 5 bus into town. These are every half hour or an hour on the frequent times one is withdrawn. I strongly believe this is because the North of the city has the highest percentage of old pharts living there and city bus would rather see cash going into the buses till than to run a service largely devoted to passes. This despite the hand out given to them to do just this. It is actually quicker often to walk into the town centre than to wait for a bus.
At least by walking you're not adding to the problems on the road.
No, but when I walk along the FOOTpath in Portswood I see too often cyclists riding, at speed, on the footpath putting the safety of elderly pedestrians at risk. As it is often just as quick to walk throuigh Portswood than to drive they cannot use dangerous traffic as an excuse. Fact is they see the footpath as quicker than the road with its often stationary traffic. Unfortunately despite the police's declared intention to do something about this and cycle lights at night I have yet to see a PC or PCSO in Portswood since that intention was declared.
More likely chavs on bikes than actual cyclists who are doing that, also, I personally would find the road to still be quicker, too many old folgies in the way on the path, plus I don't care for breaking the law like chavs do.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Someone_New[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: I find it unbelievable that so many drivers shop in Souithampton. I either shop at night at a store where I can park for nothing, or walk into town if I need to use a city shop for any specialist item. I refuse point blank to pay to park my car. I must admit to sometimes going by bus, but it has to be raining very hard for this to happen.[/p][/quote]But is it not cheaper to drive and pay to park than catch the bus? Obviously it depends on where exactly you live, and where you park, but so long as you live anywhere in the suburbs of the city and don't park at an NCP site then, given the price of buses these days, I'm sure the bus wouldn't be cheaper for those times when it is raining. Plus your car goes from "exactly your address". The bus doesn't (unless you happen to live alongside a bus stop!)[/p][/quote]The reality is that at 69 years of age I do not have to pay a bus fare, the downside is that I live in neglected Swaythling and have to get a number 5 bus into town. These are every half hour or an hour on the frequent times one is withdrawn. I strongly believe this is because the North of the city has the highest percentage of old pharts living there and city bus would rather see cash going into the buses till than to run a service largely devoted to passes. This despite the hand out given to them to do just this. It is actually quicker often to walk into the town centre than to wait for a bus.[/p][/quote]At least by walking you're not adding to the problems on the road.[/p][/quote]No, but when I walk along the FOOTpath in Portswood I see too often cyclists riding, at speed, on the footpath putting the safety of elderly pedestrians at risk. As it is often just as quick to walk throuigh Portswood than to drive they cannot use dangerous traffic as an excuse. Fact is they see the footpath as quicker than the road with its often stationary traffic. Unfortunately despite the police's declared intention to do something about this and cycle lights at night I have yet to see a PC or PCSO in Portswood since that intention was declared.[/p][/quote]More likely chavs on bikes than actual cyclists who are doing that, also, I personally would find the road to still be quicker, too many old folgies in the way on the path, plus I don't care for breaking the law like chavs do. Ginger_cyclist

9:49pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Inform Al says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Someone_New wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
I find it unbelievable that so many drivers shop in Souithampton. I either shop at night at a store where I can park for nothing, or walk into town if I need to use a city shop for any specialist item. I refuse point blank to pay to park my car. I must admit to sometimes going by bus, but it has to be raining very hard for this to happen.
But is it not cheaper to drive and pay to park than catch the bus? Obviously it depends on where exactly you live, and where you park, but so long as you live anywhere in the suburbs of the city and don't park at an NCP site then, given the price of buses these days, I'm sure the bus wouldn't be cheaper for those times when it is raining. Plus your car goes from "exactly your address". The bus doesn't (unless you happen to live alongside a bus stop!)
The reality is that at 69 years of age I do not have to pay a bus fare, the downside is that I live in neglected Swaythling and have to get a number 5 bus into town. These are every half hour or an hour on the frequent times one is withdrawn. I strongly believe this is because the North of the city has the highest percentage of old pharts living there and city bus would rather see cash going into the buses till than to run a service largely devoted to passes. This despite the hand out given to them to do just this. It is actually quicker often to walk into the town centre than to wait for a bus.
At least by walking you're not adding to the problems on the road.
No, but when I walk along the FOOTpath in Portswood I see too often cyclists riding, at speed, on the footpath putting the safety of elderly pedestrians at risk. As it is often just as quick to walk throuigh Portswood than to drive they cannot use dangerous traffic as an excuse. Fact is they see the footpath as quicker than the road with its often stationary traffic. Unfortunately despite the police's declared intention to do something about this and cycle lights at night I have yet to see a PC or PCSO in Portswood since that intention was declared.
More likely chavs on bikes than actual cyclists who are doing that, also, I personally would find the road to still be quicker, too many old folgies in the way on the path, plus I don't care for breaking the law like chavs do.
Elitism on two wheels. I wonder if that could apply to car drivers as well?
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Someone_New[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: I find it unbelievable that so many drivers shop in Souithampton. I either shop at night at a store where I can park for nothing, or walk into town if I need to use a city shop for any specialist item. I refuse point blank to pay to park my car. I must admit to sometimes going by bus, but it has to be raining very hard for this to happen.[/p][/quote]But is it not cheaper to drive and pay to park than catch the bus? Obviously it depends on where exactly you live, and where you park, but so long as you live anywhere in the suburbs of the city and don't park at an NCP site then, given the price of buses these days, I'm sure the bus wouldn't be cheaper for those times when it is raining. Plus your car goes from "exactly your address". The bus doesn't (unless you happen to live alongside a bus stop!)[/p][/quote]The reality is that at 69 years of age I do not have to pay a bus fare, the downside is that I live in neglected Swaythling and have to get a number 5 bus into town. These are every half hour or an hour on the frequent times one is withdrawn. I strongly believe this is because the North of the city has the highest percentage of old pharts living there and city bus would rather see cash going into the buses till than to run a service largely devoted to passes. This despite the hand out given to them to do just this. It is actually quicker often to walk into the town centre than to wait for a bus.[/p][/quote]At least by walking you're not adding to the problems on the road.[/p][/quote]No, but when I walk along the FOOTpath in Portswood I see too often cyclists riding, at speed, on the footpath putting the safety of elderly pedestrians at risk. As it is often just as quick to walk throuigh Portswood than to drive they cannot use dangerous traffic as an excuse. Fact is they see the footpath as quicker than the road with its often stationary traffic. Unfortunately despite the police's declared intention to do something about this and cycle lights at night I have yet to see a PC or PCSO in Portswood since that intention was declared.[/p][/quote]More likely chavs on bikes than actual cyclists who are doing that, also, I personally would find the road to still be quicker, too many old folgies in the way on the path, plus I don't care for breaking the law like chavs do.[/p][/quote]Elitism on two wheels. I wonder if that could apply to car drivers as well? Inform Al

10:35pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Inform Al wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Someone_New wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
I find it unbelievable that so many drivers shop in Souithampton. I either shop at night at a store where I can park for nothing, or walk into town if I need to use a city shop for any specialist item. I refuse point blank to pay to park my car. I must admit to sometimes going by bus, but it has to be raining very hard for this to happen.
But is it not cheaper to drive and pay to park than catch the bus? Obviously it depends on where exactly you live, and where you park, but so long as you live anywhere in the suburbs of the city and don't park at an NCP site then, given the price of buses these days, I'm sure the bus wouldn't be cheaper for those times when it is raining. Plus your car goes from "exactly your address". The bus doesn't (unless you happen to live alongside a bus stop!)
The reality is that at 69 years of age I do not have to pay a bus fare, the downside is that I live in neglected Swaythling and have to get a number 5 bus into town. These are every half hour or an hour on the frequent times one is withdrawn. I strongly believe this is because the North of the city has the highest percentage of old pharts living there and city bus would rather see cash going into the buses till than to run a service largely devoted to passes. This despite the hand out given to them to do just this. It is actually quicker often to walk into the town centre than to wait for a bus.
At least by walking you're not adding to the problems on the road.
No, but when I walk along the FOOTpath in Portswood I see too often cyclists riding, at speed, on the footpath putting the safety of elderly pedestrians at risk. As it is often just as quick to walk throuigh Portswood than to drive they cannot use dangerous traffic as an excuse. Fact is they see the footpath as quicker than the road with its often stationary traffic. Unfortunately despite the police's declared intention to do something about this and cycle lights at night I have yet to see a PC or PCSO in Portswood since that intention was declared.
More likely chavs on bikes than actual cyclists who are doing that, also, I personally would find the road to still be quicker, too many old folgies in the way on the path, plus I don't care for breaking the law like chavs do.
Elitism on two wheels. I wonder if that could apply to car drivers as well?
Motorists are some of the most elitist road users out there.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Someone_New[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: I find it unbelievable that so many drivers shop in Souithampton. I either shop at night at a store where I can park for nothing, or walk into town if I need to use a city shop for any specialist item. I refuse point blank to pay to park my car. I must admit to sometimes going by bus, but it has to be raining very hard for this to happen.[/p][/quote]But is it not cheaper to drive and pay to park than catch the bus? Obviously it depends on where exactly you live, and where you park, but so long as you live anywhere in the suburbs of the city and don't park at an NCP site then, given the price of buses these days, I'm sure the bus wouldn't be cheaper for those times when it is raining. Plus your car goes from "exactly your address". The bus doesn't (unless you happen to live alongside a bus stop!)[/p][/quote]The reality is that at 69 years of age I do not have to pay a bus fare, the downside is that I live in neglected Swaythling and have to get a number 5 bus into town. These are every half hour or an hour on the frequent times one is withdrawn. I strongly believe this is because the North of the city has the highest percentage of old pharts living there and city bus would rather see cash going into the buses till than to run a service largely devoted to passes. This despite the hand out given to them to do just this. It is actually quicker often to walk into the town centre than to wait for a bus.[/p][/quote]At least by walking you're not adding to the problems on the road.[/p][/quote]No, but when I walk along the FOOTpath in Portswood I see too often cyclists riding, at speed, on the footpath putting the safety of elderly pedestrians at risk. As it is often just as quick to walk throuigh Portswood than to drive they cannot use dangerous traffic as an excuse. Fact is they see the footpath as quicker than the road with its often stationary traffic. Unfortunately despite the police's declared intention to do something about this and cycle lights at night I have yet to see a PC or PCSO in Portswood since that intention was declared.[/p][/quote]More likely chavs on bikes than actual cyclists who are doing that, also, I personally would find the road to still be quicker, too many old folgies in the way on the path, plus I don't care for breaking the law like chavs do.[/p][/quote]Elitism on two wheels. I wonder if that could apply to car drivers as well?[/p][/quote]Motorists are some of the most elitist road users out there. Ginger_cyclist

1:56am Mon 16 Dec 13

Positively4thStreet says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
ToastyTea wrote:
ToastyTea wrote:
THEKILLER wrote:
Why would anyone want to go shopping in Southampton anyway.
for the 99p and £1 stores ?
funny the people who down voted my comment, can't take a joke idiots ?
Blimey the number of posters that get stroppy with a "Thumbs Down" and not a "Thumbs Up" .......... For Gods sake get a life wil you ..... like a bunch of kids
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Who gives a t0ss .......
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Even sadder are the ones that "Thumbs Up" their own posts ..... Now that is SAD
Its called "Tactical voting".Perfectly legitimate...even the President of the United States votes for himself.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: Why would anyone want to go shopping in Southampton anyway.[/p][/quote]for the 99p and £1 stores ?[/p][/quote]funny the people who down voted my comment, can't take a joke idiots ?[/p][/quote]Blimey the number of posters that get stroppy with a "Thumbs Down" and not a "Thumbs Up" .......... For Gods sake get a life wil you ..... like a bunch of kids . Who gives a t0ss ....... . Even sadder are the ones that "Thumbs Up" their own posts ..... Now that is SAD[/p][/quote]Its called "Tactical voting".Perfectly legitimate...even the President of the United States votes for himself. Positively4thStreet

9:39am Mon 16 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
ToastyTea wrote:
ToastyTea wrote:
THEKILLER wrote:
Why would anyone want to go shopping in Southampton anyway.
for the 99p and £1 stores ?
funny the people who down voted my comment, can't take a joke idiots ?
Blimey the number of posters that get stroppy with a "Thumbs Down" and not a "Thumbs Up" .......... For Gods sake get a life wil you ..... like a bunch of kids
.
Who gives a t0ss .......
.
Even sadder are the ones that "Thumbs Up" their own posts ..... Now that is SAD
Its called "Tactical voting".Perfectly legitimate...even the President of the United States votes for himself.
"Tactical Voting" ..... are you crackers or something ......... this is the Daily Echo ...... not some ruddy General or Presidential Election !!!! ....... .
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Reading some of this makes me feel quite intellegent
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: Why would anyone want to go shopping in Southampton anyway.[/p][/quote]for the 99p and £1 stores ?[/p][/quote]funny the people who down voted my comment, can't take a joke idiots ?[/p][/quote]Blimey the number of posters that get stroppy with a "Thumbs Down" and not a "Thumbs Up" .......... For Gods sake get a life wil you ..... like a bunch of kids . Who gives a t0ss ....... . Even sadder are the ones that "Thumbs Up" their own posts ..... Now that is SAD[/p][/quote]Its called "Tactical voting".Perfectly legitimate...even the President of the United States votes for himself.[/p][/quote]"Tactical Voting" ..... are you crackers or something ......... this is the Daily Echo ...... not some ruddy General or Presidential Election !!!! ....... . . Reading some of this makes me feel quite intellegent Lone Ranger.

1:48pm Mon 16 Dec 13

lowe esteem says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works
In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.
Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.
My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.
Lager? Not when you're exercising, surely?
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works[/p][/quote]In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.[/p][/quote]Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.[/p][/quote]My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.[/p][/quote]Lager? Not when you're exercising, surely? lowe esteem

2:29pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Inform Al says...

lowe esteem wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works
In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.
Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.
My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.
Lager? Not when you're exercising, surely?
That is excercise, the cans don't open themselves you know.
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: this has got to be the worst council ever to run a city !! its all money money money and to hell with the people who actually live here and pay their wages park and ride is no good cos it would take you 2 hours to park the bloody car and another hour to wait for the bus as it will be stuck in traffic because of all the unessasery (wish i could spell) road works[/p][/quote]In a way, the traffic isn't surprising it's been drilled into many peoples heads, that they NEED to drive everywhere, it also doesn't help that as a species, humans are inherently lazy, meaning most people would still rather sit in a car for an hour to travel a few miles, rather than take half that time and get to their destination under their own steam, hence we also have a weight problem in Britain, caused for the most part, by the car.[/p][/quote]Yes, these overweight cars get everywhere.[/p][/quote]My weight problem is caused by lager...I've never eaten a car in my life.[/p][/quote]Lager? Not when you're exercising, surely?[/p][/quote]That is excercise, the cans don't open themselves you know. Inform Al

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