Families face Christmas on the breadline

Daily Echo: Volunteers at the Poitiers Care charity pack up another food parcel for a family in need Volunteers at the Poitiers Care charity pack up another food parcel for a family in need

IF you believe the TV adverts, it is a time of year when happy families are sitting down to huge meals at tables groaning with turkeys, vegetables and treats of all shapes and sizes.

Yet that will not be the reality for everyone across Hampshire.

Thousands of families will be having a very different kind of Christmas from those being used to sell food and presents by our biggest stores.

According to one organisation which provides much-needed help for those struggling below the poverty line, the number of people in need is greater this year than in recent memory.

Poitiers Care, which was set up three years ago to deliver food parcels to the neediest people in Southampton, has seen its workload double this year since changes were made to the benefits system.

Families and individuals living in poverty who are unable to buy food are referred to the Catholic organisation by charities, schools, churches and social workers. Depending on their needs, they can be referred for help for up to four weeks.

Every week a team of 30 volunteers get to work parcelling up enough food for each supported household to survive for seven days. Then every Friday a swarm of helpers drive around the city delivering the food to the families’ doors.

They currently deliver to around 60 households a week, helping about 70 adults and 50 children across Southampton and the surrounding area.

Graham Alldred, 62, a semi-retired builder from Romsey, has been volunteering with Poitiers Care for three years.

He said: “The difference between us and the food bank is that we deliver the food so we keep their dignity.

“We collect food and people give us money so we can buy food from supermarkets. We basically make up packs of food.

“Since April we’ve been inundated because of the changes to people’s benefits – it has doubled our workload.

“The system takes so long to pick up that they get desperate and that’s where we come in.

“I’ve made a lot of deliveries and I never get anything but a big thank you.

“That’s the rewarding bit for us. We’re only out to help.

“We want to meet the most needy while preserving their dignity.”

The organisation, based at Holy Family Church, Millbrook, is a continuation of the Poitiers Project, set up by Father Des Connolly, which provided furniture to people in poverty for four years until it had to close in 2010 because of funding issues.

The idea is based on following the example set by Saint John of God, a Portuguese-born healthcare worker who supported the poor of Granada, Spain, in 1540.

Graham said: “There’s so much poverty really. The idea was to provide a service for those who are really desperate.

“We do have cases where social workers have to plead with them to accept food.

“It’s really to get people aware, because everyone’s so busy rushing around they don’t notice that so many people are going hungry on their doorstep.

“You get some who say they never thought they’d be in this situation and it’s going to get worse now because of the gas and electric prices going up.”

The organisation relies on its team of volunteers, along with donations of money and non-perishable food to continue its work.

For more information, or to donate or volunteer, call 023 8077 8203 or email: poitierscare@gmail.com.

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12:15pm Sun 15 Dec 13

999medic says...

so easy to blame the benefits system, if money is so tight Im sure they could find work to, and then the benefits can used to top those wages up to an affordable wage. As for maintaining dignity by delivering the food, well let people get to food banks if possible and then rather than waiting on then hand and foot, there will exceptions to this I know, and no its not snobbery Ive been homeless with no money, as well as being brought up on council estates, some of this is life style choices.
so easy to blame the benefits system, if money is so tight Im sure they could find work to, and then the benefits can used to top those wages up to an affordable wage. As for maintaining dignity by delivering the food, well let people get to food banks if possible and then rather than waiting on then hand and foot, there will exceptions to this I know, and no its not snobbery Ive been homeless with no money, as well as being brought up on council estates, some of this is life style choices. 999medic

1:46pm Sun 15 Dec 13

wilson castaway says...

Its not so easy to get a job.I have never claimed benefits myself as my partner has always been in full time work.After our last child it took me a year to find employment.I was told time and time again that I was not flexable enough as I have children.Employers want to put you on a minimum contract of 4 hrs then have you hanging on the phone waiting for them to call you for overtime.Fine if you have no children but near on impossible if you have.I have over 10 years experience in retail management but that didnt mean a thing to anybody.
I applied for all sorts of positions. Im only on a temporary contract now.I know people who this year cannot afford anything and have got rid of the luxuries' such as sky tv and broadband connections and are still struggling to make ends meet.These are working families.
Its not so easy to get a job.I have never claimed benefits myself as my partner has always been in full time work.After our last child it took me a year to find employment.I was told time and time again that I was not flexable enough as I have children.Employers want to put you on a minimum contract of 4 hrs then have you hanging on the phone waiting for them to call you for overtime.Fine if you have no children but near on impossible if you have.I have over 10 years experience in retail management but that didnt mean a thing to anybody. I applied for all sorts of positions. Im only on a temporary contract now.I know people who this year cannot afford anything and have got rid of the luxuries' such as sky tv and broadband connections and are still struggling to make ends meet.These are working families. wilson castaway

1:47pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Turtlebay says...

999medic wrote:
so easy to blame the benefits system, if money is so tight Im sure they could find work to, and then the benefits can used to top those wages up to an affordable wage. As for maintaining dignity by delivering the food, well let people get to food banks if possible and then rather than waiting on then hand and foot, there will exceptions to this I know, and no its not snobbery Ive been homeless with no money, as well as being brought up on council estates, some of this is life style choices.
I hope you are never in that position you ignorant oaf, 999medic! Obviously you have no knowledge of the situation these poor needy folks are in so just stick you head back in the sand (or your rear end if it's warmer).

Most of the folks who going hungry ARE in full time jobs, but their wages haven't kept up with inflation.
[quote][p][bold]999medic[/bold] wrote: so easy to blame the benefits system, if money is so tight Im sure they could find work to, and then the benefits can used to top those wages up to an affordable wage. As for maintaining dignity by delivering the food, well let people get to food banks if possible and then rather than waiting on then hand and foot, there will exceptions to this I know, and no its not snobbery Ive been homeless with no money, as well as being brought up on council estates, some of this is life style choices.[/p][/quote]I hope you are never in that position you ignorant oaf, 999medic! Obviously you have no knowledge of the situation these poor needy folks are in so just stick you head back in the sand (or your rear end if it's warmer). Most of the folks who going hungry ARE in full time jobs, but their wages haven't kept up with inflation. Turtlebay

3:27pm Sun 15 Dec 13

dango says...

Turtlebay wrote:
999medic wrote:
so easy to blame the benefits system, if money is so tight Im sure they could find work to, and then the benefits can used to top those wages up to an affordable wage. As for maintaining dignity by delivering the food, well let people get to food banks if possible and then rather than waiting on then hand and foot, there will exceptions to this I know, and no its not snobbery Ive been homeless with no money, as well as being brought up on council estates, some of this is life style choices.
I hope you are never in that position you ignorant oaf, 999medic! Obviously you have no knowledge of the situation these poor needy folks are in so just stick you head back in the sand (or your rear end if it's warmer).

Most of the folks who going hungry ARE in full time jobs, but their wages haven't kept up with inflation.
exactly Turtlebay.
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]999medic[/bold] wrote: so easy to blame the benefits system, if money is so tight Im sure they could find work to, and then the benefits can used to top those wages up to an affordable wage. As for maintaining dignity by delivering the food, well let people get to food banks if possible and then rather than waiting on then hand and foot, there will exceptions to this I know, and no its not snobbery Ive been homeless with no money, as well as being brought up on council estates, some of this is life style choices.[/p][/quote]I hope you are never in that position you ignorant oaf, 999medic! Obviously you have no knowledge of the situation these poor needy folks are in so just stick you head back in the sand (or your rear end if it's warmer). Most of the folks who going hungry ARE in full time jobs, but their wages haven't kept up with inflation.[/p][/quote]exactly Turtlebay. dango

5:07pm Sun 15 Dec 13

sotonboy84 says...

No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.
No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out. sotonboy84

6:35pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Linesman says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.
"No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly."

How, exactly, would you suggest to people, who have been made redundant, have been unable to find work and have to cope with a situation where the cost of living is constantly rising, but their benefits have been cut?

How do you explain the fact that there has been such a dramatic increase in the number of people who now get referred to food banks so that they and their children can eat?

Before David 'We are all in this together' Cameron came to power, I was unaware that there were Food Banks, but under his administration they have become a Growth Industry.

The big difference is that the ones that run these Food Banks, and not on the massive bonuses that Cameron's Banking pals in the City are pocketing.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.[/p][/quote]"No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly." How, exactly, would you suggest to people, who have been made redundant, have been unable to find work and have to cope with a situation where the cost of living is constantly rising, but their benefits have been cut? How do you explain the fact that there has been such a dramatic increase in the number of people who now get referred to food banks so that they and their children can eat? Before David 'We are all in this together' Cameron came to power, I was unaware that there were Food Banks, but under his administration they have become a Growth Industry. The big difference is that the ones that run these Food Banks, and not on the massive bonuses that Cameron's Banking pals in the City are pocketing. Linesman

7:00pm Sun 15 Dec 13

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.
Handout ? Do people pay income tax ,vat ,national insurance and the vast array of other taxes ,in the words of Jim Royale , handouts my ar*e
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.[/p][/quote]Handout ? Do people pay income tax ,vat ,national insurance and the vast array of other taxes ,in the words of Jim Royale , handouts my ar*e WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.

7:55pm Sun 15 Dec 13

999medic says...

Turtlebay you obviously cannot read either that or it's your head shoved up someone's maybe your mums who knows. Trust me I've been more desolate situations than your ever know, and not once did I claim benefits,, I turned my hand to whatever I could to put food in my belly. There are people that need assistance without a doubt but there's an awful lot of scrounges out there, that can't be bothered to put for on the family table, but wait the 20fags the Xbox, the take always, but buy a present for the kids or spouse to much like responsibility. Anyway enough said oh apologies to your mum if I implied she had a big arse because the size of your head being pushed up there
Turtlebay you obviously cannot read either that or it's your head shoved up someone's maybe your mums who knows. Trust me I've been more desolate situations than your ever know, and not once did I claim benefits,, I turned my hand to whatever I could to put food in my belly. There are people that need assistance without a doubt but there's an awful lot of scrounges out there, that can't be bothered to put for on the family table, but wait the 20fags the Xbox, the take always, but buy a present for the kids or spouse to much like responsibility. Anyway enough said oh apologies to your mum if I implied she had a big arse because the size of your head being pushed up there 999medic

8:07pm Sun 15 Dec 13

sotonboy84 says...

999medic wrote:
Turtlebay you obviously cannot read either that or it's your head shoved up someone's maybe your mums who knows. Trust me I've been more desolate situations than your ever know, and not once did I claim benefits,, I turned my hand to whatever I could to put food in my belly. There are people that need assistance without a doubt but there's an awful lot of scrounges out there, that can't be bothered to put for on the family table, but wait the 20fags the Xbox, the take always, but buy a present for the kids or spouse to much like responsibility. Anyway enough said oh apologies to your mum if I implied she had a big arse because the size of your head being pushed up there
Exactly, benefits are a safety net to those in need & not a bed for the lazy. I'm not denying that some people are in trying situations & finding difficult to make ends meet but you need to adjust to the situation.
Measuring the level of so called 'poverty' against the number of people that use food banks is pointless. How can you measure the lazy & those that jump on the poverty bandwagon against those that are genuinely in need? There are a large majority of scroungers out there who will do anything to avoid work and refusing to pay the spare room subsidy & using food banks are just one way to try & gain sympathy.
As I've mentioned on here before, I know somebody who works at a food bank in Winchester & they're surprised at the amount of people that go to the food bank stinking of cigarettes. I rest my case.
[quote][p][bold]999medic[/bold] wrote: Turtlebay you obviously cannot read either that or it's your head shoved up someone's maybe your mums who knows. Trust me I've been more desolate situations than your ever know, and not once did I claim benefits,, I turned my hand to whatever I could to put food in my belly. There are people that need assistance without a doubt but there's an awful lot of scrounges out there, that can't be bothered to put for on the family table, but wait the 20fags the Xbox, the take always, but buy a present for the kids or spouse to much like responsibility. Anyway enough said oh apologies to your mum if I implied she had a big arse because the size of your head being pushed up there[/p][/quote]Exactly, benefits are a safety net to those in need & not a bed for the lazy. I'm not denying that some people are in trying situations & finding difficult to make ends meet but you need to adjust to the situation. Measuring the level of so called 'poverty' against the number of people that use food banks is pointless. How can you measure the lazy & those that jump on the poverty bandwagon against those that are genuinely in need? There are a large majority of scroungers out there who will do anything to avoid work and refusing to pay the spare room subsidy & using food banks are just one way to try & gain sympathy. As I've mentioned on here before, I know somebody who works at a food bank in Winchester & they're surprised at the amount of people that go to the food bank stinking of cigarettes. I rest my case. sotonboy84

8:10pm Sun 15 Dec 13

sotonboy84 says...

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.
Handout ? Do people pay income tax ,vat ,national insurance and the vast array of other taxes ,in the words of Jim Royale , handouts my ar*e
You don't pay income tax if you're relying on taxpayers for your income. All your doing is draining the public purse & not contributing to it in any way.
[quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.[/p][/quote]Handout ? Do people pay income tax ,vat ,national insurance and the vast array of other taxes ,in the words of Jim Royale , handouts my ar*e[/p][/quote]You don't pay income tax if you're relying on taxpayers for your income. All your doing is draining the public purse & not contributing to it in any way. sotonboy84

8:16pm Sun 15 Dec 13

derek james says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.
moron, i've been in that situation and i can tell you the benefits are nowhere near enough and that was before all the gas and electricity increases, you had to have a phone and now you probably have to have the internet for job hunting but that will not be deemed essential so will have to pay for it somehow.unless you're a migrant you better hope you get a job quick
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.[/p][/quote]moron, i've been in that situation and i can tell you the benefits are nowhere near enough and that was before all the gas and electricity increases, you had to have a phone and now you probably have to have the internet for job hunting but that will not be deemed essential so will have to pay for it somehow.unless you're a migrant you better hope you get a job quick derek james

8:25pm Sun 15 Dec 13

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.
Handout ? Do people pay income tax ,vat ,national insurance and the vast array of other taxes ,in the words of Jim Royale , handouts my ar*e
You don't pay income tax if you're relying on taxpayers for your income. All your doing is draining the public purse & not contributing to it in any way.
what is the public purse for then ? world war perhaps , or do you believe people should be taxed without getting anything back ,most taxes these days are consumption taxes for your info.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.[/p][/quote]Handout ? Do people pay income tax ,vat ,national insurance and the vast array of other taxes ,in the words of Jim Royale , handouts my ar*e[/p][/quote]You don't pay income tax if you're relying on taxpayers for your income. All your doing is draining the public purse & not contributing to it in any way.[/p][/quote]what is the public purse for then ? world war perhaps , or do you believe people should be taxed without getting anything back ,most taxes these days are consumption taxes for your info. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.

8:25pm Sun 15 Dec 13

sotonboy84 says...

derek james wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.
moron, i've been in that situation and i can tell you the benefits are nowhere near enough and that was before all the gas and electricity increases, you had to have a phone and now you probably have to have the internet for job hunting but that will not be deemed essential so will have to pay for it somehow.unless you're a migrant you better hope you get a job quick
Moron? For a person like yourself with clearly uneducated views that think an immigrant is given favourable treatment over a British citizen, you wear the moron crown.
Benefits are generous & they do provide enough to live on & feed yourself. Benefits are not supposed to be a replacement income.
As the job centre provides computers, internet connection & dedicated staff to help you find a job, why would you need your own internet connection at home? I think you'll find this is a luxury & your misguided view of what is essential & what is not is where you slipped up.
[quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.[/p][/quote]moron, i've been in that situation and i can tell you the benefits are nowhere near enough and that was before all the gas and electricity increases, you had to have a phone and now you probably have to have the internet for job hunting but that will not be deemed essential so will have to pay for it somehow.unless you're a migrant you better hope you get a job quick[/p][/quote]Moron? For a person like yourself with clearly uneducated views that think an immigrant is given favourable treatment over a British citizen, you wear the moron crown. Benefits are generous & they do provide enough to live on & feed yourself. Benefits are not supposed to be a replacement income. As the job centre provides computers, internet connection & dedicated staff to help you find a job, why would you need your own internet connection at home? I think you'll find this is a luxury & your misguided view of what is essential & what is not is where you slipped up. sotonboy84

8:30pm Sun 15 Dec 13

sotonboy84 says...

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.
Handout ? Do people pay income tax ,vat ,national insurance and the vast array of other taxes ,in the words of Jim Royale , handouts my ar*e
You don't pay income tax if you're relying on taxpayers for your income. All your doing is draining the public purse & not contributing to it in any way.
what is the public purse for then ? world war perhaps , or do you believe people should be taxed without getting anything back ,most taxes these days are consumption taxes for your info.
I need say no more. Re-read what you've written - me me me. It's disgusting attitudes like yours that have contributed to the country being in a mess.
Stop thinking about yourself & what your can personally gain & think of the bigger picture.
I go to work & pay my taxes & I find it completely unfair that my taxes are supporting the the lazy scroungers of society. My taxes should be used for running the country's in paying towards health care, policing, education & supporting those that cannot support themselves. Not supporting those that are bone idle with a phobia of work.
[quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.[/p][/quote]Handout ? Do people pay income tax ,vat ,national insurance and the vast array of other taxes ,in the words of Jim Royale , handouts my ar*e[/p][/quote]You don't pay income tax if you're relying on taxpayers for your income. All your doing is draining the public purse & not contributing to it in any way.[/p][/quote]what is the public purse for then ? world war perhaps , or do you believe people should be taxed without getting anything back ,most taxes these days are consumption taxes for your info.[/p][/quote]I need say no more. Re-read what you've written - me me me. It's disgusting attitudes like yours that have contributed to the country being in a mess. Stop thinking about yourself & what your can personally gain & think of the bigger picture. I go to work & pay my taxes & I find it completely unfair that my taxes are supporting the the lazy scroungers of society. My taxes should be used for running the country's in paying towards health care, policing, education & supporting those that cannot support themselves. Not supporting those that are bone idle with a phobia of work. sotonboy84

8:31pm Sun 15 Dec 13

sass says...

wilson castaway wrote:
Its not so easy to get a job.I have never claimed benefits myself as my partner has always been in full time work.After our last child it took me a year to find employment.I was told time and time again that I was not flexable enough as I have children.Employers want to put you on a minimum contract of 4 hrs then have you hanging on the phone waiting for them to call you for overtime.Fine if you have no children but near on impossible if you have.I have over 10 years experience in retail management but that didnt mean a thing to anybody. I applied for all sorts of positions. Im only on a temporary contract now.I know people who this year cannot afford anything and have got rid of the luxuries' such as sky tv and broadband connections and are still struggling to make ends meet.These are working families.
Retail management! Your resume might do better if you insert some spaces between your sentences.
[quote][p][bold]wilson castaway[/bold] wrote: Its not so easy to get a job.I have never claimed benefits myself as my partner has always been in full time work.After our last child it took me a year to find employment.I was told time and time again that I was not flexable enough as I have children.Employers want to put you on a minimum contract of 4 hrs then have you hanging on the phone waiting for them to call you for overtime.Fine if you have no children but near on impossible if you have.I have over 10 years experience in retail management but that didnt mean a thing to anybody. I applied for all sorts of positions. Im only on a temporary contract now.I know people who this year cannot afford anything and have got rid of the luxuries' such as sky tv and broadband connections and are still struggling to make ends meet.These are working families.[/p][/quote]Retail management! Your resume might do better if you insert some spaces between your sentences. sass

8:38pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Huffter says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.
Handout ? Do people pay income tax ,vat ,national insurance and the vast array of other taxes ,in the words of Jim Royale , handouts my ar*e
You don't pay income tax if you're relying on taxpayers for your income. All your doing is draining the public purse & not contributing to it in any way.
After paying income tax for 24 years I found myself redundant and entitled to about £70 per week JSA - it took 3 years 9 months 5 days to get back into work - I got there eventually but it was a terrific struggle along the way and not everyone is highly skilled at financial management. I feel for those who are genuinely struggling at the moment and I do what I can to help.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.[/p][/quote]Handout ? Do people pay income tax ,vat ,national insurance and the vast array of other taxes ,in the words of Jim Royale , handouts my ar*e[/p][/quote]You don't pay income tax if you're relying on taxpayers for your income. All your doing is draining the public purse & not contributing to it in any way.[/p][/quote]After paying income tax for 24 years I found myself redundant and entitled to about £70 per week JSA - it took 3 years 9 months 5 days to get back into work - I got there eventually but it was a terrific struggle along the way and not everyone is highly skilled at financial management. I feel for those who are genuinely struggling at the moment and I do what I can to help. Huffter

8:53pm Sun 15 Dec 13

sotonboy84 says...

Huffter wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.
Handout ? Do people pay income tax ,vat ,national insurance and the vast array of other taxes ,in the words of Jim Royale , handouts my ar*e
You don't pay income tax if you're relying on taxpayers for your income. All your doing is draining the public purse & not contributing to it in any way.
After paying income tax for 24 years I found myself redundant and entitled to about £70 per week JSA - it took 3 years 9 months 5 days to get back into work - I got there eventually but it was a terrific struggle along the way and not everyone is highly skilled at financial management. I feel for those who are genuinely struggling at the moment and I do what I can to help.
Yes & you're an example of somebody that worked, provided for yourself then found yourself down on your luck. Benefits should be there to help people when they need help.
There are too many people out there that see benefits as a source of income & have no intention to ever work & it's this behaviour that needs to be stopped.
[quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.[/p][/quote]Handout ? Do people pay income tax ,vat ,national insurance and the vast array of other taxes ,in the words of Jim Royale , handouts my ar*e[/p][/quote]You don't pay income tax if you're relying on taxpayers for your income. All your doing is draining the public purse & not contributing to it in any way.[/p][/quote]After paying income tax for 24 years I found myself redundant and entitled to about £70 per week JSA - it took 3 years 9 months 5 days to get back into work - I got there eventually but it was a terrific struggle along the way and not everyone is highly skilled at financial management. I feel for those who are genuinely struggling at the moment and I do what I can to help.[/p][/quote]Yes & you're an example of somebody that worked, provided for yourself then found yourself down on your luck. Benefits should be there to help people when they need help. There are too many people out there that see benefits as a source of income & have no intention to ever work & it's this behaviour that needs to be stopped. sotonboy84

9:31pm Sun 15 Dec 13

Inform Al says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Huffter wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.
Handout ? Do people pay income tax ,vat ,national insurance and the vast array of other taxes ,in the words of Jim Royale , handouts my ar*e
You don't pay income tax if you're relying on taxpayers for your income. All your doing is draining the public purse & not contributing to it in any way.
After paying income tax for 24 years I found myself redundant and entitled to about £70 per week JSA - it took 3 years 9 months 5 days to get back into work - I got there eventually but it was a terrific struggle along the way and not everyone is highly skilled at financial management. I feel for those who are genuinely struggling at the moment and I do what I can to help.
Yes & you're an example of somebody that worked, provided for yourself then found yourself down on your luck. Benefits should be there to help people when they need help.
There are too many people out there that see benefits as a source of income & have no intention to ever work & it's this behaviour that needs to be stopped.
They are the minority that two old Etonians are using as the excuse to clobber the innocent.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.[/p][/quote]Handout ? Do people pay income tax ,vat ,national insurance and the vast array of other taxes ,in the words of Jim Royale , handouts my ar*e[/p][/quote]You don't pay income tax if you're relying on taxpayers for your income. All your doing is draining the public purse & not contributing to it in any way.[/p][/quote]After paying income tax for 24 years I found myself redundant and entitled to about £70 per week JSA - it took 3 years 9 months 5 days to get back into work - I got there eventually but it was a terrific struggle along the way and not everyone is highly skilled at financial management. I feel for those who are genuinely struggling at the moment and I do what I can to help.[/p][/quote]Yes & you're an example of somebody that worked, provided for yourself then found yourself down on your luck. Benefits should be there to help people when they need help. There are too many people out there that see benefits as a source of income & have no intention to ever work & it's this behaviour that needs to be stopped.[/p][/quote]They are the minority that two old Etonians are using as the excuse to clobber the innocent. Inform Al

9:34pm Sun 15 Dec 13

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.
Handout ? Do people pay income tax ,vat ,national insurance and the vast array of other taxes ,in the words of Jim Royale , handouts my ar*e
You don't pay income tax if you're relying on taxpayers for your income. All your doing is draining the public purse & not contributing to it in any way.
what is the public purse for then ? world war perhaps , or do you believe people should be taxed without getting anything back ,most taxes these days are consumption taxes for your info.
I need say no more. Re-read what you've written - me me me. It's disgusting attitudes like yours that have contributed to the country being in a mess.
Stop thinking about yourself & what your can personally gain & think of the bigger picture.
I go to work & pay my taxes & I find it completely unfair that my taxes are supporting the the lazy scroungers of society. My taxes should be used for running the country's in paying towards health care, policing, education & supporting those that cannot support themselves. Not supporting those that are bone idle with a phobia of work.
you give the richest family on the planet,billions a year in debt interest every year ,what do you think about that , or making people work for free is progress , i think you are very deluded and your turn in the dole line will come soon enough .
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.[/p][/quote]Handout ? Do people pay income tax ,vat ,national insurance and the vast array of other taxes ,in the words of Jim Royale , handouts my ar*e[/p][/quote]You don't pay income tax if you're relying on taxpayers for your income. All your doing is draining the public purse & not contributing to it in any way.[/p][/quote]what is the public purse for then ? world war perhaps , or do you believe people should be taxed without getting anything back ,most taxes these days are consumption taxes for your info.[/p][/quote]I need say no more. Re-read what you've written - me me me. It's disgusting attitudes like yours that have contributed to the country being in a mess. Stop thinking about yourself & what your can personally gain & think of the bigger picture. I go to work & pay my taxes & I find it completely unfair that my taxes are supporting the the lazy scroungers of society. My taxes should be used for running the country's in paying towards health care, policing, education & supporting those that cannot support themselves. Not supporting those that are bone idle with a phobia of work.[/p][/quote]you give the richest family on the planet,billions a year in debt interest every year ,what do you think about that , or making people work for free is progress , i think you are very deluded and your turn in the dole line will come soon enough . WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.

9:38pm Sun 15 Dec 13

sotonboy84 says...

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.
Handout ? Do people pay income tax ,vat ,national insurance and the vast array of other taxes ,in the words of Jim Royale , handouts my ar*e
You don't pay income tax if you're relying on taxpayers for your income. All your doing is draining the public purse & not contributing to it in any way.
what is the public purse for then ? world war perhaps , or do you believe people should be taxed without getting anything back ,most taxes these days are consumption taxes for your info.
I need say no more. Re-read what you've written - me me me. It's disgusting attitudes like yours that have contributed to the country being in a mess.
Stop thinking about yourself & what your can personally gain & think of the bigger picture.
I go to work & pay my taxes & I find it completely unfair that my taxes are supporting the the lazy scroungers of society. My taxes should be used for running the country's in paying towards health care, policing, education & supporting those that cannot support themselves. Not supporting those that are bone idle with a phobia of work.
you give the richest family on the planet,billions a year in debt interest every year ,what do you think about that , or making people work for free is progress , i think you are very deluded and your turn in the dole line will come soon enough .
Whatever is around the corner for me I will face & I will face head on. The difference between you & I is whatever life throws at me I realise that I'm in charge of my own life & don't look for excuses & point the finger of blame at everybody else. Man up,
[quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.[/p][/quote]Handout ? Do people pay income tax ,vat ,national insurance and the vast array of other taxes ,in the words of Jim Royale , handouts my ar*e[/p][/quote]You don't pay income tax if you're relying on taxpayers for your income. All your doing is draining the public purse & not contributing to it in any way.[/p][/quote]what is the public purse for then ? world war perhaps , or do you believe people should be taxed without getting anything back ,most taxes these days are consumption taxes for your info.[/p][/quote]I need say no more. Re-read what you've written - me me me. It's disgusting attitudes like yours that have contributed to the country being in a mess. Stop thinking about yourself & what your can personally gain & think of the bigger picture. I go to work & pay my taxes & I find it completely unfair that my taxes are supporting the the lazy scroungers of society. My taxes should be used for running the country's in paying towards health care, policing, education & supporting those that cannot support themselves. Not supporting those that are bone idle with a phobia of work.[/p][/quote]you give the richest family on the planet,billions a year in debt interest every year ,what do you think about that , or making people work for free is progress , i think you are very deluded and your turn in the dole line will come soon enough .[/p][/quote]Whatever is around the corner for me I will face & I will face head on. The difference between you & I is whatever life throws at me I realise that I'm in charge of my own life & don't look for excuses & point the finger of blame at everybody else. Man up, sotonboy84

1:03am Mon 16 Dec 13

MerryJess says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.
Handout ? Do people pay income tax ,vat ,national insurance and the vast array of other taxes ,in the words of Jim Royale , handouts my ar*e
You don't pay income tax if you're relying on taxpayers for your income. All your doing is draining the public purse & not contributing to it in any way.
what is the public purse for then ? world war perhaps , or do you believe people should be taxed without getting anything back ,most taxes these days are consumption taxes for your info.
I need say no more. Re-read what you've written - me me me. It's disgusting attitudes like yours that have contributed to the country being in a mess.
Stop thinking about yourself & what your can personally gain & think of the bigger picture.
I go to work & pay my taxes & I find it completely unfair that my taxes are supporting the the lazy scroungers of society. My taxes should be used for running the country's in paying towards health care, policing, education & supporting those that cannot support themselves. Not supporting those that are bone idle with a phobia of work.
you give the richest family on the planet,billions a year in debt interest every year ,what do you think about that , or making people work for free is progress , i think you are very deluded and your turn in the dole line will come soon enough .
Whatever is around the corner for me I will face & I will face head on. The difference between you & I is whatever life throws at me I realise that I'm in charge of my own life & don't look for excuses & point the finger of blame at everybody else. Man up,
'man up' eh? i am sensing you have a dislike or a grudge against people weaker than yourself. If you secured a job for most of your life, then it is great that you don't know any better about being on the dole. I would not describe the staff at job centers as 'dedicated' able to help you job search whenever you like. Their workload is massive and they are being pressured to sanction more people off benefit. it is not always 'lazy scroungers' as you put it, getting hit hard. Vulnerable people are targets also, ones off ESA put on JSA , people with learning difficulties etc are on the hit list, and as they don't understand the system so well, they can be an easy pick to stop benefit payments, and also less likely to appeal a decision that is unjust. And plenty of sanctions are totally unfair.
There are not enough jobs already, and JSA is a tiny percentage of government spending, a tiny tiny percentage of your tax payments. This hatred of job seekers is from years of media propaganda and government spin, this has cooked up a vile poor against poorest attitude in our society.
There are people and companies who are unspeakably rich , avoid paying tax, have got away with not paying tax, and get away with paying their workers absolute peanuts. but they don't get half an ounce of hatred like the unemployed get, and the way the tide is turning disabled people are getting this discontent also. This is not a kind society, it is a shame some people refuse to see deeper, and think because they are strong then so should everyone else be.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.[/p][/quote]Handout ? Do people pay income tax ,vat ,national insurance and the vast array of other taxes ,in the words of Jim Royale , handouts my ar*e[/p][/quote]You don't pay income tax if you're relying on taxpayers for your income. All your doing is draining the public purse & not contributing to it in any way.[/p][/quote]what is the public purse for then ? world war perhaps , or do you believe people should be taxed without getting anything back ,most taxes these days are consumption taxes for your info.[/p][/quote]I need say no more. Re-read what you've written - me me me. It's disgusting attitudes like yours that have contributed to the country being in a mess. Stop thinking about yourself & what your can personally gain & think of the bigger picture. I go to work & pay my taxes & I find it completely unfair that my taxes are supporting the the lazy scroungers of society. My taxes should be used for running the country's in paying towards health care, policing, education & supporting those that cannot support themselves. Not supporting those that are bone idle with a phobia of work.[/p][/quote]you give the richest family on the planet,billions a year in debt interest every year ,what do you think about that , or making people work for free is progress , i think you are very deluded and your turn in the dole line will come soon enough .[/p][/quote]Whatever is around the corner for me I will face & I will face head on. The difference between you & I is whatever life throws at me I realise that I'm in charge of my own life & don't look for excuses & point the finger of blame at everybody else. Man up,[/p][/quote]'man up' eh? i am sensing you have a dislike or a grudge against people weaker than yourself. If you secured a job for most of your life, then it is great that you don't know any better about being on the dole. I would not describe the staff at job centers as 'dedicated' able to help you job search whenever you like. Their workload is massive and they are being pressured to sanction more people off benefit. it is not always 'lazy scroungers' as you put it, getting hit hard. Vulnerable people are targets also, ones off ESA put on JSA , people with learning difficulties etc are on the hit list, and as they don't understand the system so well, they can be an easy pick to stop benefit payments, and also less likely to appeal a decision that is unjust. And plenty of sanctions are totally unfair. There are not enough jobs already, and JSA is a tiny percentage of government spending, a tiny tiny percentage of your tax payments. This hatred of job seekers is from years of media propaganda and government spin, this has cooked up a vile poor against poorest attitude in our society. There are people and companies who are unspeakably rich , avoid paying tax, have got away with not paying tax, and get away with paying their workers absolute peanuts. but they don't get half an ounce of hatred like the unemployed get, and the way the tide is turning disabled people are getting this discontent also. This is not a kind society, it is a shame some people refuse to see deeper, and think because they are strong then so should everyone else be. MerryJess

10:23am Mon 16 Dec 13

sotonboy84 says...

MerryJess wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.
Handout ? Do people pay income tax ,vat ,national insurance and the vast array of other taxes ,in the words of Jim Royale , handouts my ar*e
You don't pay income tax if you're relying on taxpayers for your income. All your doing is draining the public purse & not contributing to it in any way.
what is the public purse for then ? world war perhaps , or do you believe people should be taxed without getting anything back ,most taxes these days are consumption taxes for your info.
I need say no more. Re-read what you've written - me me me. It's disgusting attitudes like yours that have contributed to the country being in a mess.
Stop thinking about yourself & what your can personally gain & think of the bigger picture.
I go to work & pay my taxes & I find it completely unfair that my taxes are supporting the the lazy scroungers of society. My taxes should be used for running the country's in paying towards health care, policing, education & supporting those that cannot support themselves. Not supporting those that are bone idle with a phobia of work.
you give the richest family on the planet,billions a year in debt interest every year ,what do you think about that , or making people work for free is progress , i think you are very deluded and your turn in the dole line will come soon enough .
Whatever is around the corner for me I will face & I will face head on. The difference between you & I is whatever life throws at me I realise that I'm in charge of my own life & don't look for excuses & point the finger of blame at everybody else. Man up,
'man up' eh? i am sensing you have a dislike or a grudge against people weaker than yourself. If you secured a job for most of your life, then it is great that you don't know any better about being on the dole. I would not describe the staff at job centers as 'dedicated' able to help you job search whenever you like. Their workload is massive and they are being pressured to sanction more people off benefit. it is not always 'lazy scroungers' as you put it, getting hit hard. Vulnerable people are targets also, ones off ESA put on JSA , people with learning difficulties etc are on the hit list, and as they don't understand the system so well, they can be an easy pick to stop benefit payments, and also less likely to appeal a decision that is unjust. And plenty of sanctions are totally unfair.
There are not enough jobs already, and JSA is a tiny percentage of government spending, a tiny tiny percentage of your tax payments. This hatred of job seekers is from years of media propaganda and government spin, this has cooked up a vile poor against poorest attitude in our society.
There are people and companies who are unspeakably rich , avoid paying tax, have got away with not paying tax, and get away with paying their workers absolute peanuts. but they don't get half an ounce of hatred like the unemployed get, and the way the tide is turning disabled people are getting this discontent also. This is not a kind society, it is a shame some people refuse to see deeper, and think because they are strong then so should everyone else be.
I refer to my previous post...

I go to work & pay my taxes & I find it completely unfair that my taxes are supporting the the lazy scroungers of society. My taxes should be used for running the country's in paying towards health care, policing, education & supporting those that cannot support themselves. Not supporting those that are bone idle with a phobia of work.
[quote][p][bold]MerryJess[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.[/p][/quote]Handout ? Do people pay income tax ,vat ,national insurance and the vast array of other taxes ,in the words of Jim Royale , handouts my ar*e[/p][/quote]You don't pay income tax if you're relying on taxpayers for your income. All your doing is draining the public purse & not contributing to it in any way.[/p][/quote]what is the public purse for then ? world war perhaps , or do you believe people should be taxed without getting anything back ,most taxes these days are consumption taxes for your info.[/p][/quote]I need say no more. Re-read what you've written - me me me. It's disgusting attitudes like yours that have contributed to the country being in a mess. Stop thinking about yourself & what your can personally gain & think of the bigger picture. I go to work & pay my taxes & I find it completely unfair that my taxes are supporting the the lazy scroungers of society. My taxes should be used for running the country's in paying towards health care, policing, education & supporting those that cannot support themselves. Not supporting those that are bone idle with a phobia of work.[/p][/quote]you give the richest family on the planet,billions a year in debt interest every year ,what do you think about that , or making people work for free is progress , i think you are very deluded and your turn in the dole line will come soon enough .[/p][/quote]Whatever is around the corner for me I will face & I will face head on. The difference between you & I is whatever life throws at me I realise that I'm in charge of my own life & don't look for excuses & point the finger of blame at everybody else. Man up,[/p][/quote]'man up' eh? i am sensing you have a dislike or a grudge against people weaker than yourself. If you secured a job for most of your life, then it is great that you don't know any better about being on the dole. I would not describe the staff at job centers as 'dedicated' able to help you job search whenever you like. Their workload is massive and they are being pressured to sanction more people off benefit. it is not always 'lazy scroungers' as you put it, getting hit hard. Vulnerable people are targets also, ones off ESA put on JSA , people with learning difficulties etc are on the hit list, and as they don't understand the system so well, they can be an easy pick to stop benefit payments, and also less likely to appeal a decision that is unjust. And plenty of sanctions are totally unfair. There are not enough jobs already, and JSA is a tiny percentage of government spending, a tiny tiny percentage of your tax payments. This hatred of job seekers is from years of media propaganda and government spin, this has cooked up a vile poor against poorest attitude in our society. There are people and companies who are unspeakably rich , avoid paying tax, have got away with not paying tax, and get away with paying their workers absolute peanuts. but they don't get half an ounce of hatred like the unemployed get, and the way the tide is turning disabled people are getting this discontent also. This is not a kind society, it is a shame some people refuse to see deeper, and think because they are strong then so should everyone else be.[/p][/quote]I refer to my previous post... I go to work & pay my taxes & I find it completely unfair that my taxes are supporting the the lazy scroungers of society. My taxes should be used for running the country's in paying towards health care, policing, education & supporting those that cannot support themselves. Not supporting those that are bone idle with a phobia of work. sotonboy84

1:38pm Mon 16 Dec 13

Inform Al says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
MerryJess wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.
Handout ? Do people pay income tax ,vat ,national insurance and the vast array of other taxes ,in the words of Jim Royale , handouts my ar*e
You don't pay income tax if you're relying on taxpayers for your income. All your doing is draining the public purse & not contributing to it in any way.
what is the public purse for then ? world war perhaps , or do you believe people should be taxed without getting anything back ,most taxes these days are consumption taxes for your info.
I need say no more. Re-read what you've written - me me me. It's disgusting attitudes like yours that have contributed to the country being in a mess.
Stop thinking about yourself & what your can personally gain & think of the bigger picture.
I go to work & pay my taxes & I find it completely unfair that my taxes are supporting the the lazy scroungers of society. My taxes should be used for running the country's in paying towards health care, policing, education & supporting those that cannot support themselves. Not supporting those that are bone idle with a phobia of work.
you give the richest family on the planet,billions a year in debt interest every year ,what do you think about that , or making people work for free is progress , i think you are very deluded and your turn in the dole line will come soon enough .
Whatever is around the corner for me I will face & I will face head on. The difference between you & I is whatever life throws at me I realise that I'm in charge of my own life & don't look for excuses & point the finger of blame at everybody else. Man up,
'man up' eh? i am sensing you have a dislike or a grudge against people weaker than yourself. If you secured a job for most of your life, then it is great that you don't know any better about being on the dole. I would not describe the staff at job centers as 'dedicated' able to help you job search whenever you like. Their workload is massive and they are being pressured to sanction more people off benefit. it is not always 'lazy scroungers' as you put it, getting hit hard. Vulnerable people are targets also, ones off ESA put on JSA , people with learning difficulties etc are on the hit list, and as they don't understand the system so well, they can be an easy pick to stop benefit payments, and also less likely to appeal a decision that is unjust. And plenty of sanctions are totally unfair.
There are not enough jobs already, and JSA is a tiny percentage of government spending, a tiny tiny percentage of your tax payments. This hatred of job seekers is from years of media propaganda and government spin, this has cooked up a vile poor against poorest attitude in our society.
There are people and companies who are unspeakably rich , avoid paying tax, have got away with not paying tax, and get away with paying their workers absolute peanuts. but they don't get half an ounce of hatred like the unemployed get, and the way the tide is turning disabled people are getting this discontent also. This is not a kind society, it is a shame some people refuse to see deeper, and think because they are strong then so should everyone else be.
I refer to my previous post...

I go to work & pay my taxes & I find it completely unfair that my taxes are supporting the the lazy scroungers of society. My taxes should be used for running the country's in paying towards health care, policing, education & supporting those that cannot support themselves. Not supporting those that are bone idle with a phobia of work.
Fortunately the bone idle brigade are actually a very small percentage of those who are either out of work or do not earn enough to properly support themselves. Whether you like it or not C'moron is using that minority as an excuse to kick genuine job seekers in the teeth while at the same time using yours, and my, money to make his rich friends even richer.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MerryJess[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: No, the problem is people not managing their finances properly. With benefits that are on offer, people are given enough money to get by on. It's not a fortune but at the end of the day it's a hand out.[/p][/quote]Handout ? Do people pay income tax ,vat ,national insurance and the vast array of other taxes ,in the words of Jim Royale , handouts my ar*e[/p][/quote]You don't pay income tax if you're relying on taxpayers for your income. All your doing is draining the public purse & not contributing to it in any way.[/p][/quote]what is the public purse for then ? world war perhaps , or do you believe people should be taxed without getting anything back ,most taxes these days are consumption taxes for your info.[/p][/quote]I need say no more. Re-read what you've written - me me me. It's disgusting attitudes like yours that have contributed to the country being in a mess. Stop thinking about yourself & what your can personally gain & think of the bigger picture. I go to work & pay my taxes & I find it completely unfair that my taxes are supporting the the lazy scroungers of society. My taxes should be used for running the country's in paying towards health care, policing, education & supporting those that cannot support themselves. Not supporting those that are bone idle with a phobia of work.[/p][/quote]you give the richest family on the planet,billions a year in debt interest every year ,what do you think about that , or making people work for free is progress , i think you are very deluded and your turn in the dole line will come soon enough .[/p][/quote]Whatever is around the corner for me I will face & I will face head on. The difference between you & I is whatever life throws at me I realise that I'm in charge of my own life & don't look for excuses & point the finger of blame at everybody else. Man up,[/p][/quote]'man up' eh? i am sensing you have a dislike or a grudge against people weaker than yourself. If you secured a job for most of your life, then it is great that you don't know any better about being on the dole. I would not describe the staff at job centers as 'dedicated' able to help you job search whenever you like. Their workload is massive and they are being pressured to sanction more people off benefit. it is not always 'lazy scroungers' as you put it, getting hit hard. Vulnerable people are targets also, ones off ESA put on JSA , people with learning difficulties etc are on the hit list, and as they don't understand the system so well, they can be an easy pick to stop benefit payments, and also less likely to appeal a decision that is unjust. And plenty of sanctions are totally unfair. There are not enough jobs already, and JSA is a tiny percentage of government spending, a tiny tiny percentage of your tax payments. This hatred of job seekers is from years of media propaganda and government spin, this has cooked up a vile poor against poorest attitude in our society. There are people and companies who are unspeakably rich , avoid paying tax, have got away with not paying tax, and get away with paying their workers absolute peanuts. but they don't get half an ounce of hatred like the unemployed get, and the way the tide is turning disabled people are getting this discontent also. This is not a kind society, it is a shame some people refuse to see deeper, and think because they are strong then so should everyone else be.[/p][/quote]I refer to my previous post... I go to work & pay my taxes & I find it completely unfair that my taxes are supporting the the lazy scroungers of society. My taxes should be used for running the country's in paying towards health care, policing, education & supporting those that cannot support themselves. Not supporting those that are bone idle with a phobia of work.[/p][/quote]Fortunately the bone idle brigade are actually a very small percentage of those who are either out of work or do not earn enough to properly support themselves. Whether you like it or not C'moron is using that minority as an excuse to kick genuine job seekers in the teeth while at the same time using yours, and my, money to make his rich friends even richer. Inform Al

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