'Smirking' drug dealer begins prison sentence

Daily Echo: Defiant Matthew Taylor being led away in handcuffs after the police raid. Defiant Matthew Taylor being led away in handcuffs after the police raid.

WHEN he was arrested drug dealer Matthew Taylor showed no shame and appeared defiant.

The 40-year-old was captured gesturing at the cameras as he was led away handcuffed to a police officer following a raid.

Then shortly afterwards, as he posed for an official police mugshot after he was charged with dealing drugs on Southampton’s streets, he still had a smile on his face.

But today the heroin and cocaine dealer is locked up and facing more than two years behind bars.

He is the latest criminal to be imprisoned following a series of raids that were launched simultaneously across the city as part of the ongoing Operation Fortress initiative.

Taylor was first caught dealing drugs on the city’s streets and was arrested outside his home in Commercial Road on February 20 where he was found to have 16 wraps of heroin and crack cocaine and a deal list.

Further deal lists were found inside the address.

Taylor was arrested again later in the year at his home on September 19 as part of a series of warrants conducted across the city.

He was detained on suspicion of supplying drugs on another two occasions.

At Southampton Crown Court the 40-year-old pleaded guilty to four counts of supplying class A drugs and two counts of possessing class A drugs with intent to supply.

He was sentenced to 28 months in prison.

DC Simon Woods, from the Operation Fortress team, said: “Taylor had been using drugs for about the last ten years, but it was only recently that his habit got worse and he took to dealing to fund the habit.

“He had been working as a full-time qualified engineer but lost his job. I understand his relationship broke down and it would appear his life spiralled out of control.

“Through Operation Fortress we want to reduce the demand for drugs in the long run and the harm caused by drug-related crimes. The campaign has worked to bring together agencies to support people made vulnerable through drug use, help them kick the habit and divert them away from crime.

“I hope Taylor is able to benefit from that support and that his sentencing serves as a reminder to others that the help is available.”

Operation Fortress is the Daily Echo-backed campaign to reduce the harm of drug-related violence in and around Southampton.

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11:34am Tue 17 Dec 13

Ozmosis says...

Out in a year then...
Out in a year then... Ozmosis

11:57am Tue 17 Dec 13

Georgethepie says...

28 months what a joke of a sentence no wonder he's smiling.
28 months what a joke of a sentence no wonder he's smiling. Georgethepie

12:04pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Inform Al says...

28 months! When are we actually going to declare war on these obnoxious dealers.
28 months! When are we actually going to declare war on these obnoxious dealers. Inform Al

12:31pm Tue 17 Dec 13

kiddynamite says...

Look at that smile. Hes actually proud to be a c@nt!
Look at that smile. Hes actually proud to be a c@nt! kiddynamite

12:38pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Big Mac says...

Evil little scrot
Evil little scrot Big Mac

12:55pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Huey says...

“I hope Taylor is able to benefit from that support and that his sentencing serves as a reminder to others that the help is available.”
HAHAHAHAHAHA well done PC Plod.
His sentencing is more likely to encourage others to make money by selling drugs with nothing more than a year inside a warm cell for punishment.
What a joke no wonder out city is full of "people" like this.
I want to see him do 5 years of breaking rocks.
Let's see how smug he is after that.
“I hope Taylor is able to benefit from that support and that his sentencing serves as a reminder to others that the help is available.” HAHAHAHAHAHA well done PC Plod. His sentencing is more likely to encourage others to make money by selling drugs with nothing more than a year inside a warm cell for punishment. What a joke no wonder out city is full of "people" like this. I want to see him do 5 years of breaking rocks. Let's see how smug he is after that. Huey

12:56pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Shoong says...

Maybe because he's just been out in with his biggest customers.
Maybe because he's just been out in with his biggest customers. Shoong

1:06pm Tue 17 Dec 13

southy says...

Georgethepie wrote:
28 months what a joke of a sentence no wonder he's smiling.
I believe that they will do 2/3rds of the sentence so he do about 18 mths out of that 28 mths so long he a good boy while inside
[quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: 28 months what a joke of a sentence no wonder he's smiling.[/p][/quote]I believe that they will do 2/3rds of the sentence so he do about 18 mths out of that 28 mths so long he a good boy while inside southy

1:09pm Tue 17 Dec 13

THEKILLER says...

Nice little holiday for 14 months Inside for Xmas so a nice Xmas dinner with all the trimmings properly be better fed than on the outside!!
Nice little holiday for 14 months Inside for Xmas so a nice Xmas dinner with all the trimmings properly be better fed than on the outside!! THEKILLER

1:11pm Tue 17 Dec 13

THEKILLER says...

southy wrote:
Georgethepie wrote:
28 months what a joke of a sentence no wonder he's smiling.
I believe that they will do 2/3rds of the sentence so he do about 18 mths out of that 28 mths so long he a good boy while inside
All sentences under 4 years are automatic release at half way
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: 28 months what a joke of a sentence no wonder he's smiling.[/p][/quote]I believe that they will do 2/3rds of the sentence so he do about 18 mths out of that 28 mths so long he a good boy while inside[/p][/quote]All sentences under 4 years are automatic release at half way THEKILLER

2:01pm Tue 17 Dec 13

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

Who s SMILING NOW scum !!!!!!!!!!!!!! his customers will find pastures new by the time he comes back out
Who s SMILING NOW scum !!!!!!!!!!!!!! his customers will find pastures new by the time he comes back out SPIKEISLANDTRADER

3:23pm Tue 17 Dec 13

SOULJACKER says...

Hahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahaha you Cockwrinkle!
Not so big & clever now are you, you parasite!
Hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha you Cockwrinkle! Not so big & clever now are you, you parasite! SOULJACKER

3:25pm Tue 17 Dec 13

noall69 says...

little smack rat his wife is the same but unlike him she is still on the out doing it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
little smack rat his wife is the same but unlike him she is still on the out doing it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! noall69

4:02pm Tue 17 Dec 13

southy says...

THEKILLER wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgethepie wrote:
28 months what a joke of a sentence no wonder he's smiling.
I believe that they will do 2/3rds of the sentence so he do about 18 mths out of that 28 mths so long he a good boy while inside
All sentences under 4 years are automatic release at half way
no they have to behave them selfs, if they don't then there sentence can be longer
[quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: 28 months what a joke of a sentence no wonder he's smiling.[/p][/quote]I believe that they will do 2/3rds of the sentence so he do about 18 mths out of that 28 mths so long he a good boy while inside[/p][/quote]All sentences under 4 years are automatic release at half way[/p][/quote]no they have to behave them selfs, if they don't then there sentence can be longer southy

4:35pm Tue 17 Dec 13

noall69 says...

southy wrote:
THEKILLER wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgethepie wrote:
28 months what a joke of a sentence no wonder he's smiling.
I believe that they will do 2/3rds of the sentence so he do about 18 mths out of that 28 mths so long he a good boy while inside
All sentences under 4 years are automatic release at half way
no they have to behave them selfs, if they don't then there sentence can be longer
wrong he will be out in 14 months he will only stay in longer if hes give more days from an outside judge most people only do half there sentence if under 10 years or been done for things with kids, manslaughter or you get an IPP
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: 28 months what a joke of a sentence no wonder he's smiling.[/p][/quote]I believe that they will do 2/3rds of the sentence so he do about 18 mths out of that 28 mths so long he a good boy while inside[/p][/quote]All sentences under 4 years are automatic release at half way[/p][/quote]no they have to behave them selfs, if they don't then there sentence can be longer[/p][/quote]wrong he will be out in 14 months he will only stay in longer if hes give more days from an outside judge most people only do half there sentence if under 10 years or been done for things with kids, manslaughter or you get an IPP noall69

4:38pm Tue 17 Dec 13

hantslass says...

Georgethepie wrote:
28 months what a joke of a sentence no wonder he's smiling.
totally agree, drug dealers are like mass murderers who want to get rich quick at the expense of peoples lives
[quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: 28 months what a joke of a sentence no wonder he's smiling.[/p][/quote]totally agree, drug dealers are like mass murderers who want to get rich quick at the expense of peoples lives hantslass

4:45pm Tue 17 Dec 13

hantslass says...

drug dealers should get 20 yrs 28months is no deterent as there is a lot of drug dealing going on inside so they are only in there long enough to build up their empire as the vulnerable inside will take there drugs to beat the bordom our prisons should control what is going on more searches is needed if one person is caught no more visit rights end of
drug dealers should get 20 yrs 28months is no deterent as there is a lot of drug dealing going on inside so they are only in there long enough to build up their empire as the vulnerable inside will take there drugs to beat the bordom our prisons should control what is going on more searches is needed if one person is caught no more visit rights end of hantslass

6:17pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Georgethepie says...

Whoever said crime doesn't pay obviously never experienced the justice system of Britain. Smile I bet he's still laughing now. The real losers in all of this are the tax payer yet again. Disgusting sentence!!! The judge should hang his head in shame and the convict should be hung
Whoever said crime doesn't pay obviously never experienced the justice system of Britain. Smile I bet he's still laughing now. The real losers in all of this are the tax payer yet again. Disgusting sentence!!! The judge should hang his head in shame and the convict should be hung Georgethepie

6:23pm Tue 17 Dec 13

cantthinkofone says...

Surely that has to be the end of his West Ham career...
Surely that has to be the end of his West Ham career... cantthinkofone

6:55pm Tue 17 Dec 13

userds5050 says...

hantslass wrote:
Georgethepie wrote:
28 months what a joke of a sentence no wonder he's smiling.
totally agree, drug dealers are like mass murderers who want to get rich quick at the expense of peoples lives
You obviously missed the part about him having a drug habit for 10 years.
[quote][p][bold]hantslass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: 28 months what a joke of a sentence no wonder he's smiling.[/p][/quote]totally agree, drug dealers are like mass murderers who want to get rich quick at the expense of peoples lives[/p][/quote]You obviously missed the part about him having a drug habit for 10 years. userds5050

7:02pm Tue 17 Dec 13

userds5050 says...

hantslass wrote:
drug dealers should get 20 yrs 28months is no deterent as there is a lot of drug dealing going on inside so they are only in there long enough to build up their empire as the vulnerable inside will take there drugs to beat the bordom our prisons should control what is going on more searches is needed if one person is caught no more visit rights end of
Try reading the story. He was arrested under Operation Fortress which helps: "support people made vulnerable through drug use, help them kick the habit and divert them away from crime. I hope Taylor is able to benefit from that support and that his sentencing serves as a reminder to others that the help is available.”
[quote][p][bold]hantslass[/bold] wrote: drug dealers should get 20 yrs 28months is no deterent as there is a lot of drug dealing going on inside so they are only in there long enough to build up their empire as the vulnerable inside will take there drugs to beat the bordom our prisons should control what is going on more searches is needed if one person is caught no more visit rights end of[/p][/quote]Try reading the story. He was arrested under Operation Fortress which helps: "support people made vulnerable through drug use, help them kick the habit and divert them away from crime. I hope Taylor is able to benefit from that support and that his sentencing serves as a reminder to others that the help is available.” userds5050

7:39pm Tue 17 Dec 13

georgetheseventh says...

Oh but look, he is signalling the judge saying hey mate I wanted FOUR.
Oh but look, he is signalling the judge saying hey mate I wanted FOUR. georgetheseventh

8:38pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Inform Al says...

userds5050 wrote:
hantslass wrote:
Georgethepie wrote:
28 months what a joke of a sentence no wonder he's smiling.
totally agree, drug dealers are like mass murderers who want to get rich quick at the expense of peoples lives
You obviously missed the part about him having a drug habit for 10 years.
And whose stupid fault was that?
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hantslass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: 28 months what a joke of a sentence no wonder he's smiling.[/p][/quote]totally agree, drug dealers are like mass murderers who want to get rich quick at the expense of peoples lives[/p][/quote]You obviously missed the part about him having a drug habit for 10 years.[/p][/quote]And whose stupid fault was that? Inform Al

9:00pm Tue 17 Dec 13

userds5050 says...

Inform Al wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
hantslass wrote:
Georgethepie wrote:
28 months what a joke of a sentence no wonder he's smiling.
totally agree, drug dealers are like mass murderers who want to get rich quick at the expense of peoples lives
You obviously missed the part about him having a drug habit for 10 years.
And whose stupid fault was that?
His of course. This point was I don't think this was a "get rich scheme." The guy's life had already been ruined by drugs.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hantslass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: 28 months what a joke of a sentence no wonder he's smiling.[/p][/quote]totally agree, drug dealers are like mass murderers who want to get rich quick at the expense of peoples lives[/p][/quote]You obviously missed the part about him having a drug habit for 10 years.[/p][/quote]And whose stupid fault was that?[/p][/quote]His of course. This point was I don't think this was a "get rich scheme." The guy's life had already been ruined by drugs. userds5050

9:30pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Bruce100 says...

Doesn't look smug to me, his two fingered salute says he is very pi**ed off for being caught and convicted.
One drug dealer off the streets 20,000+ more to catch.
Doesn't look smug to me, his two fingered salute says he is very pi**ed off for being caught and convicted. One drug dealer off the streets 20,000+ more to catch. Bruce100

9:32pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Bruce100 says...

Like the bracelets, he is clearly pi**ed off at being caught and convicted especially with media attention.
Happy Christmas.
Like the bracelets, he is clearly pi**ed off at being caught and convicted especially with media attention. Happy Christmas. Bruce100

9:46pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Zexagon says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
Surely that has to be the end of his West Ham career...
Yeah he's let himself go a bit
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: Surely that has to be the end of his West Ham career...[/p][/quote]Yeah he's let himself go a bit Zexagon

11:20pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Inform Al says...

userds5050 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
hantslass wrote:
Georgethepie wrote:
28 months what a joke of a sentence no wonder he's smiling.
totally agree, drug dealers are like mass murderers who want to get rich quick at the expense of peoples lives
You obviously missed the part about him having a drug habit for 10 years.
And whose stupid fault was that?
His of course. This point was I don't think this was a "get rich scheme." The guy's life had already been ruined by drugs.
So he goes on to ruin the lives of other idiots. Only one way to end the cycle, suspended sentences on the end of a rope.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hantslass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: 28 months what a joke of a sentence no wonder he's smiling.[/p][/quote]totally agree, drug dealers are like mass murderers who want to get rich quick at the expense of peoples lives[/p][/quote]You obviously missed the part about him having a drug habit for 10 years.[/p][/quote]And whose stupid fault was that?[/p][/quote]His of course. This point was I don't think this was a "get rich scheme." The guy's life had already been ruined by drugs.[/p][/quote]So he goes on to ruin the lives of other idiots. Only one way to end the cycle, suspended sentences on the end of a rope. Inform Al

1:09am Wed 18 Dec 13

stay local says...

I do wonder if it would just be easier to make all drugs legally available from registered outlets. This would mean no business for any drug gang or criminal, all supplies could to be tested and of a known strength, open access to support services to try and help you reduce your need rather than a pusher trying to increase their profit and mixing their drugs in unknown strengths with anything available.
Yes I know there will be doom sayers saying everyone will take drugs, but is that really true? Just imagine the reduction in crime because addicts do not have to steal, the lack of drug gangs, the reduced need for drug searches on transport. The better medical care (clean needles) and advice on how to take drugs in a less harmful way. More knowledge about who is taking drugs and their possible impairment
You can still have the punishment aspect and make the illegal import and selling of drugs seriously difficult. But removing the supply chain and the demand it may be easier to put the dealers out of work!
I do wonder if it would just be easier to make all drugs legally available from registered outlets. This would mean no business for any drug gang or criminal, all supplies could to be tested and of a known strength, open access to support services to try and help you reduce your need rather than a pusher trying to increase their profit and mixing their drugs in unknown strengths with anything available. Yes I know there will be doom sayers saying everyone will take drugs, but is that really true? Just imagine the reduction in crime because addicts do not have to steal, the lack of drug gangs, the reduced need for drug searches on transport. The better medical care (clean needles) and advice on how to take drugs in a less harmful way. More knowledge about who is taking drugs and their possible impairment You can still have the punishment aspect and make the illegal import and selling of drugs seriously difficult. But removing the supply chain and the demand it may be easier to put the dealers out of work! stay local

4:34am Wed 18 Dec 13

Old Boscombe Lad says...

Maybe his cell mate will knock the smile off of his face and improve his looks.
Maybe his cell mate will knock the smile off of his face and improve his looks. Old Boscombe Lad

8:42am Wed 18 Dec 13

hantslass says...

userds5050 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
hantslass wrote:
Georgethepie wrote:
28 months what a joke of a sentence no wonder he's smiling.
totally agree, drug dealers are like mass murderers who want to get rich quick at the expense of peoples lives
You obviously missed the part about him having a drug habit for 10 years.
And whose stupid fault was that?
His of course. This point was I don't think this was a "get rich scheme." The guy's life had already been ruined by drugs.
THEN IF HIS LIFE HAS BEEN RUINED BY DRUGS , WHY WAS HE SELFISH ENOUGH TO RUIN OTHER YOUNG LIVES , HE SHOULD HAVE MADE A GOOD ADVISER TO AVOID THEM NOT JOIN HIM NOT ENOUGH CARE TO OTHER PEOPLE THESE DAYS ITS A CASE OF ME ME ME. MY BROTHER DIED OF DRUGS I KNOW WHAT FAMILY MEMBERS ARE GOING THROUGH . WHEN MY BROTHER WAS IN REHAB HE WAS ALLOWED OUT AT WEEKENDS THATS WHEN THE SCUM SELLING DRUGS GOT TO HIM SO HE DIED YOUNG . iTS NOT AN EASY HABIT TO GIVE UP BUT ITS NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO TURN YOUR LIFE AROUND.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hantslass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: 28 months what a joke of a sentence no wonder he's smiling.[/p][/quote]totally agree, drug dealers are like mass murderers who want to get rich quick at the expense of peoples lives[/p][/quote]You obviously missed the part about him having a drug habit for 10 years.[/p][/quote]And whose stupid fault was that?[/p][/quote]His of course. This point was I don't think this was a "get rich scheme." The guy's life had already been ruined by drugs.[/p][/quote]THEN IF HIS LIFE HAS BEEN RUINED BY DRUGS , WHY WAS HE SELFISH ENOUGH TO RUIN OTHER YOUNG LIVES , HE SHOULD HAVE MADE A GOOD ADVISER TO AVOID THEM NOT JOIN HIM NOT ENOUGH CARE TO OTHER PEOPLE THESE DAYS ITS A CASE OF ME ME ME. MY BROTHER DIED OF DRUGS I KNOW WHAT FAMILY MEMBERS ARE GOING THROUGH . WHEN MY BROTHER WAS IN REHAB HE WAS ALLOWED OUT AT WEEKENDS THATS WHEN THE SCUM SELLING DRUGS GOT TO HIM SO HE DIED YOUNG . iTS NOT AN EASY HABIT TO GIVE UP BUT ITS NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO TURN YOUR LIFE AROUND. hantslass

8:51am Wed 18 Dec 13

hantslass says...

peenut81 wrote:
The 5 people of Southampton i would most like to lose their jobs, their partner to walk out on them and them to end up homeless are : georgethe pie hantslass, informAl and Huey.
Be interesting in those circumstances to see if you maintain your own high standards and stay of the drugs? Or if you would calmly take the abuse thrown at you by spineless right wing tw@ts on newspaper forums?
PEENUT81 IVE HAD MY TRAUMAS IN LIFE PROBABLY MORE THAN A LOT OF PEOPLE BUT I'M A SURVIVER DRUGS ONLY MAKE THINGS WORSE AND DRUGS KILL . LUCKY FOR ME I DID NOT HAVE FRIENDS ENCOURAGING, ME ON DRUGS AND BELIEVE ME THERE WAS A LOT OFFERED .I SAW THE SUFFERING MY BROTHER WENT THROUGH , I WOULD NOT WISH THAT ON ANYONE . T BREAKS MY HEART WHEN I SEE YOUNG LADS LIVES GOING DOWN THE PAN BECAUSE THEY THINK ITS FUN TILL THEY GET HOOKED SO TO ME DRUG DEALERS SHOULD BE STRUNG UP THEY ARE KILLERS
[quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: The 5 people of Southampton i would most like to lose their jobs, their partner to walk out on them and them to end up homeless are : georgethe pie hantslass, informAl and Huey. Be interesting in those circumstances to see if you maintain your own high standards and stay of the drugs? Or if you would calmly take the abuse thrown at you by spineless right wing tw@ts on newspaper forums?[/p][/quote]PEENUT81 IVE HAD MY TRAUMAS IN LIFE PROBABLY MORE THAN A LOT OF PEOPLE BUT I'M A SURVIVER DRUGS ONLY MAKE THINGS WORSE AND DRUGS KILL . LUCKY FOR ME I DID NOT HAVE FRIENDS ENCOURAGING, ME ON DRUGS AND BELIEVE ME THERE WAS A LOT OFFERED .I SAW THE SUFFERING MY BROTHER WENT THROUGH , I WOULD NOT WISH THAT ON ANYONE . T BREAKS MY HEART WHEN I SEE YOUNG LADS LIVES GOING DOWN THE PAN BECAUSE THEY THINK ITS FUN TILL THEY GET HOOKED SO TO ME DRUG DEALERS SHOULD BE STRUNG UP THEY ARE KILLERS hantslass

10:01am Wed 18 Dec 13

Inform Al says...

peenut81 wrote:
The 5 people of Southampton i would most like to lose their jobs, their partner to walk out on them and them to end up homeless are : georgethe pie hantslass, informAl and Huey.
Be interesting in those circumstances to see if you maintain your own high standards and stay of the drugs? Or if you would calmly take the abuse thrown at you by spineless right wing tw@ts on newspaper forums?
Peanut sized brain I assume. As a socialist with a conscience I hardly come under the right winger catergory, and as someone who has had to deal with the problems caused by drug abuse I feel perfectly justified in wanting capital punishment restored, especially for drug dealers who are responsible for too many deaths. Any one stupid enough to support these low life vermin is probably a user anyway.
[quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: The 5 people of Southampton i would most like to lose their jobs, their partner to walk out on them and them to end up homeless are : georgethe pie hantslass, informAl and Huey. Be interesting in those circumstances to see if you maintain your own high standards and stay of the drugs? Or if you would calmly take the abuse thrown at you by spineless right wing tw@ts on newspaper forums?[/p][/quote]Peanut sized brain I assume. As a socialist with a conscience I hardly come under the right winger catergory, and as someone who has had to deal with the problems caused by drug abuse I feel perfectly justified in wanting capital punishment restored, especially for drug dealers who are responsible for too many deaths. Any one stupid enough to support these low life vermin is probably a user anyway. Inform Al

10:10am Wed 18 Dec 13

Inform Al says...

stay local wrote:
I do wonder if it would just be easier to make all drugs legally available from registered outlets. This would mean no business for any drug gang or criminal, all supplies could to be tested and of a known strength, open access to support services to try and help you reduce your need rather than a pusher trying to increase their profit and mixing their drugs in unknown strengths with anything available.
Yes I know there will be doom sayers saying everyone will take drugs, but is that really true? Just imagine the reduction in crime because addicts do not have to steal, the lack of drug gangs, the reduced need for drug searches on transport. The better medical care (clean needles) and advice on how to take drugs in a less harmful way. More knowledge about who is taking drugs and their possible impairment
You can still have the punishment aspect and make the illegal import and selling of drugs seriously difficult. But removing the supply chain and the demand it may be easier to put the dealers out of work!
Guns have been readily available in the US of A since it's incorpoation, but pointless mass murders have only recently by comparison started occuring. The only difference in that time that could point to why this is happening is the increasing use of cannabis there. I have through experience with people with mental problems arrested by police noticed that most paranoid schizophrenics I dealt with started using cannabis in their teens, so legalising the stuff will lead to big problems, much as will be happening in the countries and states stupid enough to legalise the stuff.
[quote][p][bold]stay local[/bold] wrote: I do wonder if it would just be easier to make all drugs legally available from registered outlets. This would mean no business for any drug gang or criminal, all supplies could to be tested and of a known strength, open access to support services to try and help you reduce your need rather than a pusher trying to increase their profit and mixing their drugs in unknown strengths with anything available. Yes I know there will be doom sayers saying everyone will take drugs, but is that really true? Just imagine the reduction in crime because addicts do not have to steal, the lack of drug gangs, the reduced need for drug searches on transport. The better medical care (clean needles) and advice on how to take drugs in a less harmful way. More knowledge about who is taking drugs and their possible impairment You can still have the punishment aspect and make the illegal import and selling of drugs seriously difficult. But removing the supply chain and the demand it may be easier to put the dealers out of work![/p][/quote]Guns have been readily available in the US of A since it's incorpoation, but pointless mass murders have only recently by comparison started occuring. The only difference in that time that could point to why this is happening is the increasing use of cannabis there. I have through experience with people with mental problems arrested by police noticed that most paranoid schizophrenics I dealt with started using cannabis in their teens, so legalising the stuff will lead to big problems, much as will be happening in the countries and states stupid enough to legalise the stuff. Inform Al

12:53pm Wed 18 Dec 13

southy says...

noall69 wrote:
southy wrote:
THEKILLER wrote:
southy wrote:
Georgethepie wrote:
28 months what a joke of a sentence no wonder he's smiling.
I believe that they will do 2/3rds of the sentence so he do about 18 mths out of that 28 mths so long he a good boy while inside
All sentences under 4 years are automatic release at half way
no they have to behave them selfs, if they don't then there sentence can be longer
wrong he will be out in 14 months he will only stay in longer if hes give more days from an outside judge most people only do half there sentence if under 10 years or been done for things with kids, manslaughter or you get an IPP
They still have to behave them self,s, a warden gives a report on how they behave while in prison to the Parole board and he/she can give advice on weather to release them early or not also reports come from Dr,s, he can also add on days/weeks to the sentence if the man breaks certain rules any longer then it as to go in front of a judge for sentencing
[quote][p][bold]noall69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: 28 months what a joke of a sentence no wonder he's smiling.[/p][/quote]I believe that they will do 2/3rds of the sentence so he do about 18 mths out of that 28 mths so long he a good boy while inside[/p][/quote]All sentences under 4 years are automatic release at half way[/p][/quote]no they have to behave them selfs, if they don't then there sentence can be longer[/p][/quote]wrong he will be out in 14 months he will only stay in longer if hes give more days from an outside judge most people only do half there sentence if under 10 years or been done for things with kids, manslaughter or you get an IPP[/p][/quote]They still have to behave them self,s, a warden gives a report on how they behave while in prison to the Parole board and he/she can give advice on weather to release them early or not also reports come from Dr,s, he can also add on days/weeks to the sentence if the man breaks certain rules any longer then it as to go in front of a judge for sentencing southy

1:11pm Wed 18 Dec 13

stay local says...

Inform Al wrote:
stay local wrote:
I do wonder if it would just be easier to make all drugs legally available from registered outlets. This would mean no business for any drug gang or criminal, all supplies could to be tested and of a known strength, open access to support services to try and help you reduce your need rather than a pusher trying to increase their profit and mixing their drugs in unknown strengths with anything available.
Yes I know there will be doom sayers saying everyone will take drugs, but is that really true? Just imagine the reduction in crime because addicts do not have to steal, the lack of drug gangs, the reduced need for drug searches on transport. The better medical care (clean needles) and advice on how to take drugs in a less harmful way. More knowledge about who is taking drugs and their possible impairment
You can still have the punishment aspect and make the illegal import and selling of drugs seriously difficult. But removing the supply chain and the demand it may be easier to put the dealers out of work!
Guns have been readily available in the US of A since it's incorpoation, but pointless mass murders have only recently by comparison started occuring. The only difference in that time that could point to why this is happening is the increasing use of cannabis there. I have through experience with people with mental problems arrested by police noticed that most paranoid schizophrenics I dealt with started using cannabis in their teens, so legalising the stuff will lead to big problems, much as will be happening in the countries and states stupid enough to legalise the stuff.
I am a little confused by your linking gun use to cannabis, whilst you have identified a correlation; why not also claim the increase in the eating of bananas, the ownership of Japanese cars in the US as they have also seen an increase? I agree cannabis is now known to lead to problem for users with the development of schizophrenia, again with a managed supply the users would be getting a measured amount and not a guessed amount depending on how much oregano the dealer has added to the batch to make it go further.
Please do not get me wrong I do not advocate drug use and believe we should do all we can to discourage it. However, I don’t think the current method has been successful and we need to rethink how we deal with it.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stay local[/bold] wrote: I do wonder if it would just be easier to make all drugs legally available from registered outlets. This would mean no business for any drug gang or criminal, all supplies could to be tested and of a known strength, open access to support services to try and help you reduce your need rather than a pusher trying to increase their profit and mixing their drugs in unknown strengths with anything available. Yes I know there will be doom sayers saying everyone will take drugs, but is that really true? Just imagine the reduction in crime because addicts do not have to steal, the lack of drug gangs, the reduced need for drug searches on transport. The better medical care (clean needles) and advice on how to take drugs in a less harmful way. More knowledge about who is taking drugs and their possible impairment You can still have the punishment aspect and make the illegal import and selling of drugs seriously difficult. But removing the supply chain and the demand it may be easier to put the dealers out of work![/p][/quote]Guns have been readily available in the US of A since it's incorpoation, but pointless mass murders have only recently by comparison started occuring. The only difference in that time that could point to why this is happening is the increasing use of cannabis there. I have through experience with people with mental problems arrested by police noticed that most paranoid schizophrenics I dealt with started using cannabis in their teens, so legalising the stuff will lead to big problems, much as will be happening in the countries and states stupid enough to legalise the stuff.[/p][/quote]I am a little confused by your linking gun use to cannabis, whilst you have identified a correlation; why not also claim the increase in the eating of bananas, the ownership of Japanese cars in the US as they have also seen an increase? I agree cannabis is now known to lead to problem for users with the development of schizophrenia, again with a managed supply the users would be getting a measured amount and not a guessed amount depending on how much oregano the dealer has added to the batch to make it go further. Please do not get me wrong I do not advocate drug use and believe we should do all we can to discourage it. However, I don’t think the current method has been successful and we need to rethink how we deal with it. stay local

1:17pm Wed 18 Dec 13

userds5050 says...

hantslass wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
hantslass wrote:
Georgethepie wrote:
28 months what a joke of a sentence no wonder he's smiling.
totally agree, drug dealers are like mass murderers who want to get rich quick at the expense of peoples lives
You obviously missed the part about him having a drug habit for 10 years.
And whose stupid fault was that?
His of course. This point was I don't think this was a "get rich scheme." The guy's life had already been ruined by drugs.
THEN IF HIS LIFE HAS BEEN RUINED BY DRUGS , WHY WAS HE SELFISH ENOUGH TO RUIN OTHER YOUNG LIVES , HE SHOULD HAVE MADE A GOOD ADVISER TO AVOID THEM NOT JOIN HIM NOT ENOUGH CARE TO OTHER PEOPLE THESE DAYS ITS A CASE OF ME ME ME. MY BROTHER DIED OF DRUGS I KNOW WHAT FAMILY MEMBERS ARE GOING THROUGH . WHEN MY BROTHER WAS IN REHAB HE WAS ALLOWED OUT AT WEEKENDS THATS WHEN THE SCUM SELLING DRUGS GOT TO HIM SO HE DIED YOUNG . iTS NOT AN EASY HABIT TO GIVE UP BUT ITS NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO TURN YOUR LIFE AROUND.
Something wrong with your capslock? It says in the report he was a qualified engineer but lost his job. People who are desperate will do desperate things, but yes it is selfish. For what it's worth I respect yours & informed Als opinion.
[quote][p][bold]hantslass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hantslass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: 28 months what a joke of a sentence no wonder he's smiling.[/p][/quote]totally agree, drug dealers are like mass murderers who want to get rich quick at the expense of peoples lives[/p][/quote]You obviously missed the part about him having a drug habit for 10 years.[/p][/quote]And whose stupid fault was that?[/p][/quote]His of course. This point was I don't think this was a "get rich scheme." The guy's life had already been ruined by drugs.[/p][/quote]THEN IF HIS LIFE HAS BEEN RUINED BY DRUGS , WHY WAS HE SELFISH ENOUGH TO RUIN OTHER YOUNG LIVES , HE SHOULD HAVE MADE A GOOD ADVISER TO AVOID THEM NOT JOIN HIM NOT ENOUGH CARE TO OTHER PEOPLE THESE DAYS ITS A CASE OF ME ME ME. MY BROTHER DIED OF DRUGS I KNOW WHAT FAMILY MEMBERS ARE GOING THROUGH . WHEN MY BROTHER WAS IN REHAB HE WAS ALLOWED OUT AT WEEKENDS THATS WHEN THE SCUM SELLING DRUGS GOT TO HIM SO HE DIED YOUNG . iTS NOT AN EASY HABIT TO GIVE UP BUT ITS NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO TURN YOUR LIFE AROUND.[/p][/quote]Something wrong with your capslock? It says in the report he was a qualified engineer but lost his job. People who are desperate will do desperate things, but yes it is selfish. For what it's worth I respect yours & informed Als opinion. userds5050

1:34pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Inform Al says...

stay local wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
stay local wrote:
I do wonder if it would just be easier to make all drugs legally available from registered outlets. This would mean no business for any drug gang or criminal, all supplies could to be tested and of a known strength, open access to support services to try and help you reduce your need rather than a pusher trying to increase their profit and mixing their drugs in unknown strengths with anything available.
Yes I know there will be doom sayers saying everyone will take drugs, but is that really true? Just imagine the reduction in crime because addicts do not have to steal, the lack of drug gangs, the reduced need for drug searches on transport. The better medical care (clean needles) and advice on how to take drugs in a less harmful way. More knowledge about who is taking drugs and their possible impairment
You can still have the punishment aspect and make the illegal import and selling of drugs seriously difficult. But removing the supply chain and the demand it may be easier to put the dealers out of work!
Guns have been readily available in the US of A since it's incorpoation, but pointless mass murders have only recently by comparison started occuring. The only difference in that time that could point to why this is happening is the increasing use of cannabis there. I have through experience with people with mental problems arrested by police noticed that most paranoid schizophrenics I dealt with started using cannabis in their teens, so legalising the stuff will lead to big problems, much as will be happening in the countries and states stupid enough to legalise the stuff.
I am a little confused by your linking gun use to cannabis, whilst you have identified a correlation; why not also claim the increase in the eating of bananas, the ownership of Japanese cars in the US as they have also seen an increase? I agree cannabis is now known to lead to problem for users with the development of schizophrenia, again with a managed supply the users would be getting a measured amount and not a guessed amount depending on how much oregano the dealer has added to the batch to make it go further.
Please do not get me wrong I do not advocate drug use and believe we should do all we can to discourage it. However, I don’t think the current method has been successful and we need to rethink how we deal with it.
The war on drugs has been one way only, it is time now for the civilised part of society to declare war on the dealers. Much as I dislike violence I can see no other alternative than capital punishment to eradicate this disease on society.
[quote][p][bold]stay local[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stay local[/bold] wrote: I do wonder if it would just be easier to make all drugs legally available from registered outlets. This would mean no business for any drug gang or criminal, all supplies could to be tested and of a known strength, open access to support services to try and help you reduce your need rather than a pusher trying to increase their profit and mixing their drugs in unknown strengths with anything available. Yes I know there will be doom sayers saying everyone will take drugs, but is that really true? Just imagine the reduction in crime because addicts do not have to steal, the lack of drug gangs, the reduced need for drug searches on transport. The better medical care (clean needles) and advice on how to take drugs in a less harmful way. More knowledge about who is taking drugs and their possible impairment You can still have the punishment aspect and make the illegal import and selling of drugs seriously difficult. But removing the supply chain and the demand it may be easier to put the dealers out of work![/p][/quote]Guns have been readily available in the US of A since it's incorpoation, but pointless mass murders have only recently by comparison started occuring. The only difference in that time that could point to why this is happening is the increasing use of cannabis there. I have through experience with people with mental problems arrested by police noticed that most paranoid schizophrenics I dealt with started using cannabis in their teens, so legalising the stuff will lead to big problems, much as will be happening in the countries and states stupid enough to legalise the stuff.[/p][/quote]I am a little confused by your linking gun use to cannabis, whilst you have identified a correlation; why not also claim the increase in the eating of bananas, the ownership of Japanese cars in the US as they have also seen an increase? I agree cannabis is now known to lead to problem for users with the development of schizophrenia, again with a managed supply the users would be getting a measured amount and not a guessed amount depending on how much oregano the dealer has added to the batch to make it go further. Please do not get me wrong I do not advocate drug use and believe we should do all we can to discourage it. However, I don’t think the current method has been successful and we need to rethink how we deal with it.[/p][/quote]The war on drugs has been one way only, it is time now for the civilised part of society to declare war on the dealers. Much as I dislike violence I can see no other alternative than capital punishment to eradicate this disease on society. Inform Al

11:07pm Wed 18 Dec 13

ratface75 says...

he'll be out next summer, remanded days and time in the cells taken off, hardly big time just a nitty fundin his habit, sad really that he's actually smiling, 15 mins of fame done!!!!
he'll be out next summer, remanded days and time in the cells taken off, hardly big time just a nitty fundin his habit, sad really that he's actually smiling, 15 mins of fame done!!!! ratface75

8:15am Thu 19 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

@peenut81

You are not a nice person are you?
@peenut81 You are not a nice person are you? Dr Martin

5:23pm Thu 19 Dec 13

cantthinkofone says...

Zexagon wrote:
cantthinkofone wrote:
Surely that has to be the end of his West Ham career...
Yeah he's let himself go a bit
Can't believe he's been let out already!!!!

Took his goal well last night to be fair. Wonder if they tested him after the match though?
[quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: Surely that has to be the end of his West Ham career...[/p][/quote]Yeah he's let himself go a bit[/p][/quote]Can't believe he's been let out already!!!! Took his goal well last night to be fair. Wonder if they tested him after the match though? cantthinkofone

9:31pm Thu 19 Dec 13

eaglebird says...

Having a drug habit is never ending, H know he didn't set out to get hooked on drugs it just creeped up on him. He was doing really well before he went back inside. He all have our demons, let it be drink, gambling and so on. Your be surprise the amount of people are on something, let it be illegal or legal. He was actually a really nice guy, good luck to him when he's out he will be a change man. I personally don't think drug users shouldn't go to prison because if you help them with there drug problem there will be no need to commit crime. There are 3 ways of supporting ones habit : stealing, selling or working for it. look at the bigger picture people someone close to you could end up like him….
Having a drug habit is never ending, H know he didn't set out to get hooked on drugs it just creeped up on him. He was doing really well before he went back inside. He all have our demons, let it be drink, gambling and so on. Your be surprise the amount of people are on something, let it be illegal or legal. He was actually a really nice guy, good luck to him when he's out he will be a change man. I personally don't think drug users shouldn't go to prison because if you help them with there drug problem there will be no need to commit crime. There are 3 ways of supporting ones habit : stealing, selling or working for it. look at the bigger picture people someone close to you could end up like him…. eaglebird

10:29pm Thu 19 Dec 13

hantslass says...

eaglebird wrote:
Having a drug habit is never ending, H know he didn't set out to get hooked on drugs it just creeped up on him. He was doing really well before he went back inside. He all have our demons, let it be drink, gambling and so on. Your be surprise the amount of people are on something, let it be illegal or legal. He was actually a really nice guy, good luck to him when he's out he will be a change man. I personally don't think drug users shouldn't go to prison because if you help them with there drug problem there will be no need to commit crime. There are 3 ways of supporting ones habit : stealing, selling or working for it. look at the bigger picture people someone close to you could end up like him….
i understand what you are saying, it crept up on my brother but he did not steel he struggled at work , and he did not supply to others he just destroyed his life and died when he was in his twenties , and as for you saying he is a nice guy it is always the nicest people that get hooked on something it is sad , but its even sadder when a druggie supplies to other people and destroy their and their families lives.
[quote][p][bold]eaglebird[/bold] wrote: Having a drug habit is never ending, H know he didn't set out to get hooked on drugs it just creeped up on him. He was doing really well before he went back inside. He all have our demons, let it be drink, gambling and so on. Your be surprise the amount of people are on something, let it be illegal or legal. He was actually a really nice guy, good luck to him when he's out he will be a change man. I personally don't think drug users shouldn't go to prison because if you help them with there drug problem there will be no need to commit crime. There are 3 ways of supporting ones habit : stealing, selling or working for it. look at the bigger picture people someone close to you could end up like him….[/p][/quote]i understand what you are saying, it crept up on my brother but he did not steel he struggled at work , and he did not supply to others he just destroyed his life and died when he was in his twenties , and as for you saying he is a nice guy it is always the nicest people that get hooked on something it is sad , but its even sadder when a druggie supplies to other people and destroy their and their families lives. hantslass

12:31am Fri 20 Dec 13

eaglebird says...

hantslass wrote:
eaglebird wrote:
Having a drug habit is never ending, H know he didn't set out to get hooked on drugs it just creeped up on him. He was doing really well before he went back inside. He all have our demons, let it be drink, gambling and so on. Your be surprise the amount of people are on something, let it be illegal or legal. He was actually a really nice guy, good luck to him when he's out he will be a change man. I personally don't think drug users shouldn't go to prison because if you help them with there drug problem there will be no need to commit crime. There are 3 ways of supporting ones habit : stealing, selling or working for it. look at the bigger picture people someone close to you could end up like him….
i understand what you are saying, it crept up on my brother but he did not steel he struggled at work , and he did not supply to others he just destroyed his life and died when he was in his twenties , and as for you saying he is a nice guy it is always the nicest people that get hooked on something it is sad , but its even sadder when a druggie supplies to other people and destroy their and their families lives.
He wasn't no drug dealer, I know him personally I won't go to much into it. I'll say one thing a drug user will always get there fix and do anything for it, me and you both know there will never be a solution to the "war on drugs". I'm sorry to hear about your brother I would hate that to happen to my brother, you need to be sympathetic towards drug users. Say what ever but that's my opinion, they need to know that there is a better way and encourage them to get off it and keep off it.
[quote][p][bold]hantslass[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eaglebird[/bold] wrote: Having a drug habit is never ending, H know he didn't set out to get hooked on drugs it just creeped up on him. He was doing really well before he went back inside. He all have our demons, let it be drink, gambling and so on. Your be surprise the amount of people are on something, let it be illegal or legal. He was actually a really nice guy, good luck to him when he's out he will be a change man. I personally don't think drug users shouldn't go to prison because if you help them with there drug problem there will be no need to commit crime. There are 3 ways of supporting ones habit : stealing, selling or working for it. look at the bigger picture people someone close to you could end up like him….[/p][/quote]i understand what you are saying, it crept up on my brother but he did not steel he struggled at work , and he did not supply to others he just destroyed his life and died when he was in his twenties , and as for you saying he is a nice guy it is always the nicest people that get hooked on something it is sad , but its even sadder when a druggie supplies to other people and destroy their and their families lives.[/p][/quote]He wasn't no drug dealer, I know him personally I won't go to much into it. I'll say one thing a drug user will always get there fix and do anything for it, me and you both know there will never be a solution to the "war on drugs". I'm sorry to hear about your brother I would hate that to happen to my brother, you need to be sympathetic towards drug users. Say what ever but that's my opinion, they need to know that there is a better way and encourage them to get off it and keep off it. eaglebird

8:40am Fri 20 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

Symapthy to a drug user maybe but not to a dealer
Symapthy to a drug user maybe but not to a dealer Dr Martin

1:30pm Fri 20 Dec 13

eaglebird says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Symapthy to a drug user maybe but not to a dealer
yeah i agree not to a drug dealer, but to a drug user. He wasn't no drug dealer we all have our own opinion on this matter.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: Symapthy to a drug user maybe but not to a dealer[/p][/quote]yeah i agree not to a drug dealer, but to a drug user. He wasn't no drug dealer we all have our own opinion on this matter. eaglebird

1:31pm Fri 20 Dec 13

eaglebird says...

yeah i agree not to a drug dealer, but to a drug user. He wasn't no drug dealer we all have our own opinion on this matter.
yeah i agree not to a drug dealer, but to a drug user. He wasn't no drug dealer we all have our own opinion on this matter. eaglebird

2:17pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

eaglebird wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Symapthy to a drug user maybe but not to a dealer
yeah i agree not to a drug dealer, but to a drug user. He wasn't no drug dealer we all have our own opinion on this matter.
I will just go with the official version of wether he was a dealer or not
[quote][p][bold]eaglebird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: Symapthy to a drug user maybe but not to a dealer[/p][/quote]yeah i agree not to a drug dealer, but to a drug user. He wasn't no drug dealer we all have our own opinion on this matter.[/p][/quote]I will just go with the official version of wether he was a dealer or not Dr Martin

4:48pm Fri 20 Dec 13

eaglebird says...

Dr Martin wrote:
eaglebird wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Symapthy to a drug user maybe but not to a dealer
yeah i agree not to a drug dealer, but to a drug user. He wasn't no drug dealer we all have our own opinion on this matter.
I will just go with the official version of wether he was a dealer or not
i respect your opinion,
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eaglebird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: Symapthy to a drug user maybe but not to a dealer[/p][/quote]yeah i agree not to a drug dealer, but to a drug user. He wasn't no drug dealer we all have our own opinion on this matter.[/p][/quote]I will just go with the official version of wether he was a dealer or not[/p][/quote]i respect your opinion, eaglebird

7:22am Sun 22 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

Not my opinion it was the verdict from the court
Not my opinion it was the verdict from the court Dr Martin

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