Bitter blow in struggle to protect pubs

Daily Echo: Southampton City Council leader Simon Letts has been calling for a change in the law to help protect community pubs Southampton City Council leader Simon Letts has been calling for a change in the law to help protect community pubs

CIVIC chiefs in Southampton have suffered a setback in their bid to protect city pubs.

The Government has rebuffed their request for a change in the law which would have made it more difficult to convert pubs into shops and takeaways.

But despite the blow, council leader Simon Letts says the authority is looking at fresh avenues to prevent pubs across the city from disappearing.

In recent years The Castle in Midanbury, The Anchor and Hope in Freemantle, The Bulls Eye in Sholing and The Woodman in Lordswood have all closed and been replaced with shops or takeaways.

Cllr Letts wanted the Government to change the law to make sure pubs cannot be converted into takeaways or supermarkets without planning permission and community consultation. But the council has now received a letter back from Communities Secretary Eric Pickles’ department stating that the law will not be changed.

Cllr Letts said: “We are disappointed by the response but it’s a predictable response from Government.

“We are disappointed they haven’t done their bit to protect community pubs, but we have another avenue we are now pursuing.”

That avenue is to use planning law known as an Article 4 Direction to ensure planning applications are needed for any proposed pub conversion.

However, even if they can be used, the Communities Secretary, would still have powers to modify or cancel any Article 4 Directions.

Officers have been instructed to look into the possibility of using Article 4 Directions and report back to council bosses.

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11:26am Thu 19 Dec 13

Kingontail says...

how stupid are these people? Do they ever wonder why these "nice" pubs closed? Was it dues to the fine foods, cask ales and nice clientele?

The planning system works very well. Property will go to its highest and best use. It does not need ill educated councillors sticking their oar in.
how stupid are these people? Do they ever wonder why these "nice" pubs closed? Was it dues to the fine foods, cask ales and nice clientele? The planning system works very well. Property will go to its highest and best use. It does not need ill educated councillors sticking their oar in. Kingontail

11:33am Thu 19 Dec 13

George4th says...

I think it is a bit ironic that a Labour Councillor is pursuing his "Local Pubs" agenda when it was his Labour Party that started the demise of the "Local Pub"! Labour introduced 24 hour drinking (for any licensee who wished) which encouraged the expansion of Pubs in the Town/City Centres plus they relaxed the Licensing laws so that every Newsagent/Convenienc
e Store/Corner Shop could sell alcohol!! Result? Fewer people using their "local" Pub!

PLUS, we have been witnessing the demise and demise of the "local" Pub at the same time as we have witnessed the rise and rise of the Coffee Shop!

P.S. Yes, I'm aware the Smoking ban had an affect too but strangely not in Town/City Centre pubs!
I think it is a bit ironic that a Labour Councillor is pursuing his "Local Pubs" agenda when it was his Labour Party that started the demise of the "Local Pub"! Labour introduced 24 hour drinking (for any licensee who wished) which encouraged the expansion of Pubs in the Town/City Centres plus they relaxed the Licensing laws so that every Newsagent/Convenienc e Store/Corner Shop could sell alcohol!! Result? Fewer people using their "local" Pub! PLUS, we have been witnessing the demise and demise of the "local" Pub at the same time as we have witnessed the rise and rise of the Coffee Shop! P.S. Yes, I'm aware the Smoking ban had an affect too but strangely not in Town/City Centre pubs! George4th

12:09pm Thu 19 Dec 13

micromark says...

I live around the corner from what was The Anchor & Hope pub. In my opinion I have been delighted to see it become a new Co-op. The new shop has a far better community aspect than the pub ever did!
I live around the corner from what was The Anchor & Hope pub. In my opinion I have been delighted to see it become a new Co-op. The new shop has a far better community aspect than the pub ever did! micromark

12:12pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Dasal says...

"Castle", Bulls Eye", Woodman" "Anchor & Hope".............
Not a good argument in favour , methinks !!!!
"Castle", Bulls Eye", Woodman" "Anchor & Hope"............. Not a good argument in favour , methinks !!!! Dasal

4:58pm Thu 19 Dec 13

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

plus smoking covered up the smells of the great unwashed in the pubs , bo in the air is not a good selling point .
plus smoking covered up the smells of the great unwashed in the pubs , bo in the air is not a good selling point . WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.

5:24pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

Dasal wrote:
"Castle", Bulls Eye", Woodman" "Anchor & Hope".............
Not a good argument in favour , methinks !!!!
There is to be another well known pub being sold out very shortly ...... and it is not one that you would think of.
.
As i understand it Teco Express will take it over
[quote][p][bold]Dasal[/bold] wrote: "Castle", Bulls Eye", Woodman" "Anchor & Hope"............. Not a good argument in favour , methinks !!!![/p][/quote]There is to be another well known pub being sold out very shortly ...... and it is not one that you would think of. . As i understand it Teco Express will take it over Lone Ranger.

7:26pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Reality-man says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Dasal wrote:
"Castle", Bulls Eye", Woodman" "Anchor & Hope".............
Not a good argument in favour , methinks !!!!
There is to be another well known pub being sold out very shortly ...... and it is not one that you would think of.
.
As i understand it Teco Express will take it over
And the award for the most pointless comment of the day goes to .......... If it's not one that you would think of, why bother mentioning it?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dasal[/bold] wrote: "Castle", Bulls Eye", Woodman" "Anchor & Hope"............. Not a good argument in favour , methinks !!!![/p][/quote]There is to be another well known pub being sold out very shortly ...... and it is not one that you would think of. . As i understand it Teco Express will take it over[/p][/quote]And the award for the most pointless comment of the day goes to .......... If it's not one that you would think of, why bother mentioning it? Reality-man

9:39pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

Reality-man wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Dasal wrote:
"Castle", Bulls Eye", Woodman" "Anchor & Hope".............
Not a good argument in favour , methinks !!!!
There is to be another well known pub being sold out very shortly ...... and it is not one that you would think of.
.
As i understand it Teco Express will take it over
And the award for the most pointless comment of the day goes to .......... If it's not one that you would think of, why bother mentioning it?
If its that pointless why bother reading it ...... and then ..... posting a comment ........ .... You make me smile .... thanks for that
[quote][p][bold]Reality-man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dasal[/bold] wrote: "Castle", Bulls Eye", Woodman" "Anchor & Hope"............. Not a good argument in favour , methinks !!!![/p][/quote]There is to be another well known pub being sold out very shortly ...... and it is not one that you would think of. . As i understand it Teco Express will take it over[/p][/quote]And the award for the most pointless comment of the day goes to .......... If it's not one that you would think of, why bother mentioning it?[/p][/quote]If its that pointless why bother reading it ...... and then ..... posting a comment ........ .... You make me smile .... thanks for that Lone Ranger.

10:05pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Rocket 1 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Dasal wrote:
"Castle", Bulls Eye", Woodman" "Anchor & Hope".............
Not a good argument in favour , methinks !!!!
There is to be another well known pub being sold out very shortly ...... and it is not one that you would think of.
.
As i understand it Teco Express will take it over
Then when all of the Pubs & Clubs are gone, the likes of Tesco Express or the Co-Op, who, at the moment are selling very cheap alcohol, will have the monopoly on the drink, then they will start charging the average working man between £2.50 to £3.00 for a can of lager, watch this space.............
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dasal[/bold] wrote: "Castle", Bulls Eye", Woodman" "Anchor & Hope"............. Not a good argument in favour , methinks !!!![/p][/quote]There is to be another well known pub being sold out very shortly ...... and it is not one that you would think of. . As i understand it Teco Express will take it over[/p][/quote]Then when all of the Pubs & Clubs are gone, the likes of Tesco Express or the Co-Op, who, at the moment are selling very cheap alcohol, will have the monopoly on the drink, then they will start charging the average working man between £2.50 to £3.00 for a can of lager, watch this space............. Rocket 1

10:37pm Thu 19 Dec 13

IronLady2010 says...

Letts is a nutter, This man is off his head!
Letts is a nutter, This man is off his head! IronLady2010

10:40pm Thu 19 Dec 13

IronLady2010 says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Letts is a nutter, This man is off his head!
I'm guessing he dresses to try and meet the man on the street, but he just looks like a Vagrant. I simply find him hard to take seriously.

As for his ideas...............
.....
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Letts is a nutter, This man is off his head![/p][/quote]I'm guessing he dresses to try and meet the man on the street, but he just looks like a Vagrant. I simply find him hard to take seriously. As for his ideas............... ..... IronLady2010

12:22pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Zexagon says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Reality-man wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Dasal wrote:
"Castle", Bulls Eye", Woodman" "Anchor & Hope".............
Not a good argument in favour , methinks !!!!
There is to be another well known pub being sold out very shortly ...... and it is not one that you would think of.
.
As i understand it Teco Express will take it over
And the award for the most pointless comment of the day goes to .......... If it's not one that you would think of, why bother mentioning it?
If its that pointless why bother reading it ...... and then ..... posting a comment ........ .... You make me smile .... thanks for that
Any chance of telling us what one it is then?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality-man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dasal[/bold] wrote: "Castle", Bulls Eye", Woodman" "Anchor & Hope"............. Not a good argument in favour , methinks !!!![/p][/quote]There is to be another well known pub being sold out very shortly ...... and it is not one that you would think of. . As i understand it Teco Express will take it over[/p][/quote]And the award for the most pointless comment of the day goes to .......... If it's not one that you would think of, why bother mentioning it?[/p][/quote]If its that pointless why bother reading it ...... and then ..... posting a comment ........ .... You make me smile .... thanks for that[/p][/quote]Any chance of telling us what one it is then? Zexagon

12:18pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

Zexagon wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Reality-man wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Dasal wrote:
"Castle", Bulls Eye", Woodman" "Anchor & Hope".............
Not a good argument in favour , methinks !!!!
There is to be another well known pub being sold out very shortly ...... and it is not one that you would think of.
.
As i understand it Teco Express will take it over
And the award for the most pointless comment of the day goes to .......... If it's not one that you would think of, why bother mentioning it?
If its that pointless why bother reading it ...... and then ..... posting a comment ........ .... You make me smile .... thanks for that
Any chance of telling us what one it is then?
Try the Horns
[quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality-man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dasal[/bold] wrote: "Castle", Bulls Eye", Woodman" "Anchor & Hope"............. Not a good argument in favour , methinks !!!![/p][/quote]There is to be another well known pub being sold out very shortly ...... and it is not one that you would think of. . As i understand it Teco Express will take it over[/p][/quote]And the award for the most pointless comment of the day goes to .......... If it's not one that you would think of, why bother mentioning it?[/p][/quote]If its that pointless why bother reading it ...... and then ..... posting a comment ........ .... You make me smile .... thanks for that[/p][/quote]Any chance of telling us what one it is then?[/p][/quote]Try the Horns Lone Ranger.

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