Strict new regulations could leave dustbins unemptied

Daily Echo: Farce of the bin collections Farce of the bin collections

“WHAT a load of rubbish” – that’s the verdict on new waste rules in Southampton, which could see residents having their bins left unemptied if they fall foul of a number of strict new regulations.

Opposition councillors have branded it “farcical”.

They have urged Labour council chiefs to bin parts of the new policy, which says:

- Your bins might not be emptied if the lids aren’t fully closed.

- Bin men will pick up any rubbish left next to the bin, but only to put it in the bin for collection a week later.

- You could be fined £100 for not taking your bins back to your house by the end of collection day.

- Bins with incorrect items inside will be left on the street until the offending items are removed.

Repeated offences could lead to fines or an “education visit” from a council official to help households follow the rules.

The directives are all part of a new waste management policy which is expected to come into force in the spring.

Labour council chiefs have approved a draft version, and it is likely to be signed off by environment chief Cllr Jacqui Rayment in the spring and implemented later in the year.

Opposition councillors have criticised the new policy, and in particular the rules on “side waste”.

Conservative opposition deputy leader Cllr Jeremy Moulton said: “I think it’s ridiculous.

“If people have more rubbish than they can fit in the bin, then it should be picked up if it’s bagged up properly. That’s what people pay taxes for.”

Labour Councillors Against the Cuts Cllr Don Thomas said: “What a load of rubbish. You really could not make this sort of stuff up. It is farcical, it is more time-wasting and putting yet more work load on our bin men.”

However Cllr Rayment insisted that sanctions would be imposed only as a last resort.

She said: “We only want to enforce as a last resort. We want to educate so that people use their bins properly.”

A council spokesman added: “In reality side waste is not a big problem in the city and in practice we would operate flexibly to take account of particular circumstances, including Christmas and new year.

“The council has targets to reduce the amount of waste sent to landfill and to increase recycling, and disposing of additional side waste that is not recyclable costs the city more money.”

When asked about whether bin men would not collect any waste in bins with the lid not fully down, the spokesman added: “The legal definition of side waste is any waste not contained in the bin with the lid closed.

“Crews will generally collect bins with lids that are not fully closed, however there may be some situations where it is not possible or safe to do so as the bin may be too heavy to be moved, or may not fit on the vehicle’s bin lift.”

Find out what you can and cannot recycle at southampton.gov.uk/recycle.

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10:41am Sat 21 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

I pay my Council Tax to be provided with the services that I need, not to to be lectured by jobsworths on the etiquette of Rubbish Collection, I agree bins should not be on the pavement for longer than needed, but it isn't always convenient to take them in, good neighbours can help by moving them when the owners are not in a position to do so. There are more important things that the money can be spent on than a Dustcart Gestapo.
I pay my Council Tax to be provided with the services that I need, not to to be lectured by jobsworths on the etiquette of Rubbish Collection, I agree bins should not be on the pavement for longer than needed, but it isn't always convenient to take them in, good neighbours can help by moving them when the owners are not in a position to do so. There are more important things that the money can be spent on than a Dustcart Gestapo. OSPREYSAINT

10:48am Sat 21 Dec 13

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

communal bonfires soon.
communal bonfires soon. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.

10:50am Sat 21 Dec 13

SOULJACKER says...

Can we fine the council for all the trash that gets left all over our road when the bin men miss the back of the truck & can't be bothered to bend down to pick it up.
This council just see us as 'cash cow' now, something to milk money out of while they all get their big salaries & city in their lovely offices & generally do as little as possible.
Useless money grabbing old fools!
Can we fine the council for all the trash that gets left all over our road when the bin men miss the back of the truck & can't be bothered to bend down to pick it up. This council just see us as 'cash cow' now, something to milk money out of while they all get their big salaries & city in their lovely offices & generally do as little as possible. Useless money grabbing old fools! SOULJACKER

10:52am Sat 21 Dec 13

billyboy21 says...

One more excuse for the bin men not to do their jobs....when will this council get on with what is important in this county i.e homelessness,disable
d people,crime etc..........big brother is watching !!!!!!
One more excuse for the bin men not to do their jobs....when will this council get on with what is important in this county i.e homelessness,disable d people,crime etc..........big brother is watching !!!!!! billyboy21

11:17am Sat 21 Dec 13

BeyondImagination says...

I thought our rubbish went to the incinerator, not landfill, or is that only for burning dangerous chemicals?
I leave my bin on my own property. It's the bin men who leave them all over the pavement causing obstructions.
I thought our rubbish went to the incinerator, not landfill, or is that only for burning dangerous chemicals? I leave my bin on my own property. It's the bin men who leave them all over the pavement causing obstructions. BeyondImagination

11:22am Sat 21 Dec 13

KSO16R says...

None of these 'new rules' are unreasonable and council tax offers good value for money. So easy to sit back and pick holes in anything the council does, an easy target which ever political persuasion.
Only my opinion of course. Thumbs down anyone?
None of these 'new rules' are unreasonable and council tax offers good value for money. So easy to sit back and pick holes in anything the council does, an easy target which ever political persuasion. Only my opinion of course. Thumbs down anyone? KSO16R

11:25am Sat 21 Dec 13

loosehead says...

just think back! Labour wanted fortnightly collections & if the original application for a grant by the Tory council had not been approved after Labour increased the amount needed we would have had fortnightly collections & the union members who fought a political strike to get Labour elected would see their colleagues facing redundancy.
so how on earth was fortnightly collections going to work if with weekly collections the bins aren't big enough for some peoples waste?
when they say the wrong waste do they mean "green" waste which we now have to pay for(bins) ?
so exactly what are we getting after paying 1.9% more council tax each year less services?
so the council is going to pay these refuse workers more to do less & report us so we can be fined £100?
did you the people of this city really vote this lot in?
Rayment was apart of the Williams lies so what the hell is she still doing as a councillor?
just think back! Labour wanted fortnightly collections & if the original application for a grant by the Tory council had not been approved after Labour increased the amount needed we would have had fortnightly collections & the union members who fought a political strike to get Labour elected would see their colleagues facing redundancy. so how on earth was fortnightly collections going to work if with weekly collections the bins aren't big enough for some peoples waste? when they say the wrong waste do they mean "green" waste which we now have to pay for(bins) ? so exactly what are we getting after paying 1.9% more council tax each year less services? so the council is going to pay these refuse workers more to do less & report us so we can be fined £100? did you the people of this city really vote this lot in? Rayment was apart of the Williams lies so what the hell is she still doing as a councillor? loosehead

11:48am Sat 21 Dec 13

SOULJACKER says...

KSO16R wrote:
None of these 'new rules' are unreasonable and council tax offers good value for money. So easy to sit back and pick holes in anything the council does, an easy target which ever political persuasion.
Only my opinion of course. Thumbs down anyone?
Ah it's Erwin schrödinger as I live & breath,
While you are living in your parallel universe where everything is hunky dorey you will have to let us know if the cat is alive or is it dead?....you better take a peak inside the box to find out :D
Value for money, don't make us laugh!
[quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: None of these 'new rules' are unreasonable and council tax offers good value for money. So easy to sit back and pick holes in anything the council does, an easy target which ever political persuasion. Only my opinion of course. Thumbs down anyone?[/p][/quote]Ah it's Erwin schrödinger as I live & breath, While you are living in your parallel universe where everything is hunky dorey you will have to let us know if the cat is alive or is it dead?....you better take a peak inside the box to find out :D Value for money, don't make us laugh! SOULJACKER

11:48am Sat 21 Dec 13

KSO16R says...

loosehead wrote:
just think back! Labour wanted fortnightly collections & if the original application for a grant by the Tory council had not been approved after Labour increased the amount needed we would have had fortnightly collections & the union members who fought a political strike to get Labour elected would see their colleagues facing redundancy.
so how on earth was fortnightly collections going to work if with weekly collections the bins aren't big enough for some peoples waste?
when they say the wrong waste do they mean "green" waste which we now have to pay for(bins) ?
so exactly what are we getting after paying 1.9% more council tax each year less services?
so the council is going to pay these refuse workers more to do less & report us so we can be fined £100?
did you the people of this city really vote this lot in?
Rayment was apart of the Williams lies so what the hell is she still doing as a councillor?
Fortnightly collections do work. It's just a question of attitude. 1.9% increase? Does that mean a cut taking inflation I to account?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: just think back! Labour wanted fortnightly collections & if the original application for a grant by the Tory council had not been approved after Labour increased the amount needed we would have had fortnightly collections & the union members who fought a political strike to get Labour elected would see their colleagues facing redundancy. so how on earth was fortnightly collections going to work if with weekly collections the bins aren't big enough for some peoples waste? when they say the wrong waste do they mean "green" waste which we now have to pay for(bins) ? so exactly what are we getting after paying 1.9% more council tax each year less services? so the council is going to pay these refuse workers more to do less & report us so we can be fined £100? did you the people of this city really vote this lot in? Rayment was apart of the Williams lies so what the hell is she still doing as a councillor?[/p][/quote]Fortnightly collections do work. It's just a question of attitude. 1.9% increase? Does that mean a cut taking inflation I to account? KSO16R

11:48am Sat 21 Dec 13

KSO16R says...

loosehead wrote:
just think back! Labour wanted fortnightly collections & if the original application for a grant by the Tory council had not been approved after Labour increased the amount needed we would have had fortnightly collections & the union members who fought a political strike to get Labour elected would see their colleagues facing redundancy.
so how on earth was fortnightly collections going to work if with weekly collections the bins aren't big enough for some peoples waste?
when they say the wrong waste do they mean "green" waste which we now have to pay for(bins) ?
so exactly what are we getting after paying 1.9% more council tax each year less services?
so the council is going to pay these refuse workers more to do less & report us so we can be fined £100?
did you the people of this city really vote this lot in?
Rayment was apart of the Williams lies so what the hell is she still doing as a councillor?
Fortnightly collections do work. It's just a question of attitude. 1.9% increase? Does that mean a cut taking inflation I to account?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: just think back! Labour wanted fortnightly collections & if the original application for a grant by the Tory council had not been approved after Labour increased the amount needed we would have had fortnightly collections & the union members who fought a political strike to get Labour elected would see their colleagues facing redundancy. so how on earth was fortnightly collections going to work if with weekly collections the bins aren't big enough for some peoples waste? when they say the wrong waste do they mean "green" waste which we now have to pay for(bins) ? so exactly what are we getting after paying 1.9% more council tax each year less services? so the council is going to pay these refuse workers more to do less & report us so we can be fined £100? did you the people of this city really vote this lot in? Rayment was apart of the Williams lies so what the hell is she still doing as a councillor?[/p][/quote]Fortnightly collections do work. It's just a question of attitude. 1.9% increase? Does that mean a cut taking inflation I to account? KSO16R

11:59am Sat 21 Dec 13

shirley-bill says...

as Southampton is awash with 1000s of blocks of flats what will happen to them?
as Southampton is awash with 1000s of blocks of flats what will happen to them? shirley-bill

12:13pm Sat 21 Dec 13

KSO16R says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
None of these 'new rules' are unreasonable and council tax offers good value for money. So easy to sit back and pick holes in anything the council does, an easy target which ever political persuasion.
Only my opinion of course. Thumbs down anyone?
Ah it's Erwin schrödinger as I live & breath,
While you are living in your parallel universe where everything is hunky dorey you will have to let us know if the cat is alive or is it dead?....you better take a peak inside the box to find out :D
Value for money, don't make us laugh!
I have lived in alot of places but only been camping in austria. How would you improve the collection of our waste? . . .
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: None of these 'new rules' are unreasonable and council tax offers good value for money. So easy to sit back and pick holes in anything the council does, an easy target which ever political persuasion. Only my opinion of course. Thumbs down anyone?[/p][/quote]Ah it's Erwin schrödinger as I live & breath, While you are living in your parallel universe where everything is hunky dorey you will have to let us know if the cat is alive or is it dead?....you better take a peak inside the box to find out :D Value for money, don't make us laugh![/p][/quote]I have lived in alot of places but only been camping in austria. How would you improve the collection of our waste? . . . KSO16R

12:14pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Cyber__Fug says...

shirley-bill wrote:
as Southampton is awash with 1000s of blocks of flats what will happen to them?
I am pretty sure the flats will stay where they are.
[quote][p][bold]shirley-bill[/bold] wrote: as Southampton is awash with 1000s of blocks of flats what will happen to them?[/p][/quote]I am pretty sure the flats will stay where they are. Cyber__Fug

12:25pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Rockhopper says...

Collecting rubbish should be a relatively simple task carried out by SCC but neither Labour or Conservatives can get it right.
Oh and the same goes for traffic management in the City.
SCC are a joke of a Council.
Collecting rubbish should be a relatively simple task carried out by SCC but neither Labour or Conservatives can get it right. Oh and the same goes for traffic management in the City. SCC are a joke of a Council. Rockhopper

12:31pm Sat 21 Dec 13

SOULJACKER says...

KSO16R wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
None of these 'new rules' are unreasonable and council tax offers good value for money. So easy to sit back and pick holes in anything the council does, an easy target which ever political persuasion.
Only my opinion of course. Thumbs down anyone?
Ah it's Erwin schrödinger as I live & breath,
While you are living in your parallel universe where everything is hunky dorey you will have to let us know if the cat is alive or is it dead?....you better take a peak inside the box to find out :D
Value for money, don't make us laugh!
I have lived in alot of places but only been camping in austria. How would you improve the collection of our waste? . . .
Improving the system is gonna be tricky.
It has to start with the stores not using so much packaging, fast food people not creating so much waste packaging & generally people realizing that they do not need to buy everything in abundance because Mr Tesco tells them that they should.
This appears to be a recent problem because I don't remember it being like this when I was a kid in the 1970's & 1980's.
So what has changed over the time?......I really don't know.
[quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: None of these 'new rules' are unreasonable and council tax offers good value for money. So easy to sit back and pick holes in anything the council does, an easy target which ever political persuasion. Only my opinion of course. Thumbs down anyone?[/p][/quote]Ah it's Erwin schrödinger as I live & breath, While you are living in your parallel universe where everything is hunky dorey you will have to let us know if the cat is alive or is it dead?....you better take a peak inside the box to find out :D Value for money, don't make us laugh![/p][/quote]I have lived in alot of places but only been camping in austria. How would you improve the collection of our waste? . . .[/p][/quote]Improving the system is gonna be tricky. It has to start with the stores not using so much packaging, fast food people not creating so much waste packaging & generally people realizing that they do not need to buy everything in abundance because Mr Tesco tells them that they should. This appears to be a recent problem because I don't remember it being like this when I was a kid in the 1970's & 1980's. So what has changed over the time?......I really don't know. SOULJACKER

12:32pm Sat 21 Dec 13

SOULJACKER says...

Rockhopper wrote:
Collecting rubbish should be a relatively simple task carried out by SCC but neither Labour or Conservatives can get it right.
Oh and the same goes for traffic management in the City.
SCC are a joke of a Council.
Not fit for purpose!
[quote][p][bold]Rockhopper[/bold] wrote: Collecting rubbish should be a relatively simple task carried out by SCC but neither Labour or Conservatives can get it right. Oh and the same goes for traffic management in the City. SCC are a joke of a Council.[/p][/quote]Not fit for purpose! SOULJACKER

12:36pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Nod says...

Our Labour council are doing an exceptional job.... at making people realize how good we had it under a conservative council. Only Five months until we can vote some of this bunch of clueless idiots out.
Our Labour council are doing an exceptional job.... at making people realize how good we had it under a conservative council. Only Five months until we can vote some of this bunch of clueless idiots out. Nod

12:57pm Sat 21 Dec 13

KSO16R says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
None of these 'new rules' are unreasonable and council tax offers good value for money. So easy to sit back and pick holes in anything the council does, an easy target which ever political persuasion.
Only my opinion of course. Thumbs down anyone?
Ah it's Erwin schrödinger as I live & breath,
While you are living in your parallel universe where everything is hunky dorey you will have to let us know if the cat is alive or is it dead?....you better take a peak inside the box to find out :D
Value for money, don't make us laugh!
I have lived in alot of places but only been camping in austria. How would you improve the collection of our waste? . . .
Improving the system is gonna be tricky.
It has to start with the stores not using so much packaging, fast food people not creating so much waste packaging & generally people realizing that they do not need to buy everything in abundance because Mr Tesco tells them that they should.
This appears to be a recent problem because I don't remember it being like this when I was a kid in the 1970's & 1980's.
So what has changed over the time?......I really don't know.
since i was born the worlds population has doubled. Thats a lot of people creating alot of rubbish. There is more than one reason for the amount of waste we see on the streets and i believe it is only economics (pay more for services and goods) and punishment (fines for breaking the rules) that will drive change. Only my opinion of course. I would happily dump my own rubbish but not sure about my neighbour and my neighbours neighbour and my neighbours neighbours neighbour.
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: None of these 'new rules' are unreasonable and council tax offers good value for money. So easy to sit back and pick holes in anything the council does, an easy target which ever political persuasion. Only my opinion of course. Thumbs down anyone?[/p][/quote]Ah it's Erwin schrödinger as I live & breath, While you are living in your parallel universe where everything is hunky dorey you will have to let us know if the cat is alive or is it dead?....you better take a peak inside the box to find out :D Value for money, don't make us laugh![/p][/quote]I have lived in alot of places but only been camping in austria. How would you improve the collection of our waste? . . .[/p][/quote]Improving the system is gonna be tricky. It has to start with the stores not using so much packaging, fast food people not creating so much waste packaging & generally people realizing that they do not need to buy everything in abundance because Mr Tesco tells them that they should. This appears to be a recent problem because I don't remember it being like this when I was a kid in the 1970's & 1980's. So what has changed over the time?......I really don't know.[/p][/quote]since i was born the worlds population has doubled. Thats a lot of people creating alot of rubbish. There is more than one reason for the amount of waste we see on the streets and i believe it is only economics (pay more for services and goods) and punishment (fines for breaking the rules) that will drive change. Only my opinion of course. I would happily dump my own rubbish but not sure about my neighbour and my neighbours neighbour and my neighbours neighbours neighbour. KSO16R

1:12pm Sat 21 Dec 13

KSO16R says...

Nod wrote:
Our Labour council are doing an exceptional job.... at making people realize how good we had it under a conservative council. Only Five months until we can vote some of this bunch of clueless idiots out.
Gonna be the same problems just different 'directives' to complain about.
[quote][p][bold]Nod[/bold] wrote: Our Labour council are doing an exceptional job.... at making people realize how good we had it under a conservative council. Only Five months until we can vote some of this bunch of clueless idiots out.[/p][/quote]Gonna be the same problems just different 'directives' to complain about. KSO16R

1:18pm Sat 21 Dec 13

anniswindsor says...

When you do put your bin out on collection day they don't always turn up! You can't take the bin back in because they may come back the next day or not at all. It seems to be just another excuse for the bin men to not empty bins!
When you do put your bin out on collection day they don't always turn up! You can't take the bin back in because they may come back the next day or not at all. It seems to be just another excuse for the bin men to not empty bins! anniswindsor

1:30pm Sat 21 Dec 13

thesouth says...

On bin day in our road, before the bin men come, all the bins are neatly lined along the road.....after they have been they are strewn across the pavements and you have to move them all just to walk down the road. The council should make sure they are 'perfect' before making demands to us!
On bin day in our road, before the bin men come, all the bins are neatly lined along the road.....after they have been they are strewn across the pavements and you have to move them all just to walk down the road. The council should make sure they are 'perfect' before making demands to us! thesouth

1:35pm Sat 21 Dec 13

KSO16R says...

thesouth wrote:
On bin day in our road, before the bin men come, all the bins are neatly lined along the road.....after they have been they are strewn across the pavements and you have to move them all just to walk down the road. The council should make sure they are 'perfect' before making demands to us!
Very good point. Why are they in a hurry or are they just rubbish at their job?
[quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: On bin day in our road, before the bin men come, all the bins are neatly lined along the road.....after they have been they are strewn across the pavements and you have to move them all just to walk down the road. The council should make sure they are 'perfect' before making demands to us![/p][/quote]Very good point. Why are they in a hurry or are they just rubbish at their job? KSO16R

1:40pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Dai Rear says...

it's in the nature of socialist bureaucracies to engorge themselves until they implode and leave a few dozen dodgey characters as squillionaires.like the former Soviet Union.
Well this is only a little municipality, not the Soviet Union so I'm sure Cllr Jacqui Rayment will not become the Lord High Executioner of the Former People's Republic of Southampton
it's in the nature of socialist bureaucracies to engorge themselves until they implode and leave a few dozen dodgey characters as squillionaires.like the former Soviet Union. Well this is only a little municipality, not the Soviet Union so I'm sure Cllr Jacqui Rayment will not become the Lord High Executioner of the Former People's Republic of Southampton Dai Rear

1:41pm Sat 21 Dec 13

KSO16R says...

Very true. Why are they in a hurry or are they just rubbish at their job?
Very true. Why are they in a hurry or are they just rubbish at their job? KSO16R

2:17pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Saintly Sam says...

Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass.
As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over. Saintly Sam

2:32pm Sat 21 Dec 13

KSO16R says...

Saintly Sam wrote:
Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass.
As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
To be replaced by different petty minded functionaries
[quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]To be replaced by different petty minded functionaries KSO16R

2:33pm Sat 21 Dec 13

76Saints says...

Are these the same Binmen who rush about every collection to finish early, who regularly empty half full bins into other half full bins( What would Health and Safety say about that ), leaving any rubbish that fails to meet the the dustcart where it lands, on the floor, Are these the same binmen who are going to tell us that how we should fill the bins, It will be as expected, Any EXCUSE not to work, WE ALL put up with the non collection for weeks because of their strikes, why don't we all just dispose of our own waste directly, then no need of the binmen at all, what the council and the work force should realise is, without our waste they are not needed, Give Us What We All Pay For, VALUE FOR OUR MONEY. Not the equivalent of Tesco"s Value in waste collection.
Are these the same Binmen who rush about every collection to finish early, who regularly empty half full bins into other half full bins( What would Health and Safety say about that ), leaving any rubbish that fails to meet the the dustcart where it lands, on the floor, Are these the same binmen who are going to tell us that how we should fill the bins, It will be as expected, Any EXCUSE not to work, WE ALL put up with the non collection for weeks because of their strikes, why don't we all just dispose of our own waste directly, then no need of the binmen at all, what the council and the work force should realise is, without our waste they are not needed, Give Us What We All Pay For, VALUE FOR OUR MONEY. Not the equivalent of Tesco"s Value in waste collection. 76Saints

2:39pm Sat 21 Dec 13

loosehead says...

Saintly Sam wrote:
Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass.
As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins!
Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared?
money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
[quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go? loosehead

2:51pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

Feb 2010 ..... Who or how many got fined £100 for leaving their bins out on the pavement for too long ....... My guess ..... nobody.
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July 2009 .. ... who or how many got find £100 for not re-cycling properly ... My guess .... Nobody.
Although i am sure that Cllr Moulton maybe able to correst me as it was the Tories who were bringing it in.
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At a guess I would say that 95% of the residents who live in Southampton will not be affected by this latest campaign
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It seems strange therefore that so many are taking exception to it ……. Unless of course they are part of the 5% who are continually happy for this City to revert back to having bin bags and rubbish strewn across our roads and pavements.
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Now obviously Cllr Moulton will moan about anything carried out by Labour as he has been programmed that way and can see no further than the end of his blue scarf.
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As regards Morrell and Thomas … Perhaps their concern are that some of their residents maybe a few of the culprits …..
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Perhaps we should employ an army of street cleaner to go round and pick up even more cr@p from our City streets that a bunch of filthy residents are too lazy to do it themselves ……. Better still …. Fine them
Feb 2010 ..... Who or how many got fined £100 for leaving their bins out on the pavement for too long ....... My guess ..... nobody. . July 2009 .. ... who or how many got find £100 for not re-cycling properly ... My guess .... Nobody. Although i am sure that Cllr Moulton maybe able to correst me as it was the Tories who were bringing it in. .------------- At a guess I would say that 95% of the residents who live in Southampton will not be affected by this latest campaign . It seems strange therefore that so many are taking exception to it ……. Unless of course they are part of the 5% who are continually happy for this City to revert back to having bin bags and rubbish strewn across our roads and pavements. . Now obviously Cllr Moulton will moan about anything carried out by Labour as he has been programmed that way and can see no further than the end of his blue scarf. . As regards Morrell and Thomas … Perhaps their concern are that some of their residents maybe a few of the culprits ….. . Perhaps we should employ an army of street cleaner to go round and pick up even more cr@p from our City streets that a bunch of filthy residents are too lazy to do it themselves ……. Better still …. Fine them Lone Ranger.

3:06pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Brock_and_Roll says...

Readers might be interested to know of an equally but opposite farcical situation nearby in New Forest District.

In the New Forest we have wheelie bins but on collection day the black bags have to be taken OUT of the bins and left by the side - exactly the opposite of Southampton. Any bags left in the bins will not be collected. Apparently the councils trucks do not have the necessary wheelie bin lifting accessories and for "elf & safety" reasons, binmen are not allowed to lift bags out of the bins. So overnight just about every fox, badger, crow, cat, dog and rat has an absolute banquet and a big mess is left - and of course the binmen refuse to pick up split bags!
Readers might be interested to know of an equally but opposite farcical situation nearby in New Forest District. In the New Forest we have wheelie bins but on collection day the black bags have to be taken OUT of the bins and left by the side - exactly the opposite of Southampton. Any bags left in the bins will not be collected. Apparently the councils trucks do not have the necessary wheelie bin lifting accessories and for "elf & safety" reasons, binmen [aka refuse operatives] are not allowed to lift bags out of the bins. So overnight just about every fox, badger, crow, cat, dog and rat has an absolute banquet and a big mess is left - and of course the binmen refuse to pick up split bags! Brock_and_Roll

3:15pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Inform Al says...

When I was a child in London the bin men would come into the house, down the stairs and out into the back yard, pick up two heavy metal bins, tip them manually into the dustcart then return them to the backyard. We do seem to have gone downhill since the 1950s
When I was a child in London the bin men would come into the house, down the stairs and out into the back yard, pick up two heavy metal bins, tip them manually into the dustcart then return them to the backyard. We do seem to have gone downhill since the 1950s Inform Al

3:16pm Sat 21 Dec 13

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
Saintly Sam wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?[/p][/quote]Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is.... thinklikealocal

3:26pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Timsey says...

Conservative opposition deputy leader Cllr Jeremy Moulton said: “I think it’s ridiculous. Perhaps the question has to be asked has Cllr Jeremy Moulton, spoken to his Conservative colleague the Rt. Hon Eric Pickles MP, for Brentwood and Ongar and Secretary of State for communities and Local Government, about the terms and conditions of the money that HIS government gave to SCC to do the roadside collection of glass.
Wasn't Cllr Moulton and his colleagues applying for the same grant but at a lower rate, and it was the Labour Council that took the initiative to increase the amount of money they were applying for and won it. to keep the collection weekly, and also to IMPROVE the recycling rate in the city by collecting glass. As Lone ranger says Cllr Moulton is programmed in such a way that he can only decry anything that Labour does, and at times it would seem that he is afraid to admit that he is a Tory.
Conservative opposition deputy leader Cllr Jeremy Moulton said: “I think it’s ridiculous. Perhaps the question has to be asked has Cllr Jeremy Moulton, spoken to his Conservative colleague the Rt. Hon Eric Pickles MP, for Brentwood and Ongar and Secretary of State for communities and Local Government, about the terms and conditions of the money that HIS government gave to SCC to do the roadside collection of glass. Wasn't Cllr Moulton and his colleagues applying for the same grant but at a lower rate, and it was the Labour Council that took the initiative to increase the amount of money they were applying for and won it. to keep the collection weekly, and also to IMPROVE the recycling rate in the city by collecting glass. As Lone ranger says Cllr Moulton is programmed in such a way that he can only decry anything that Labour does, and at times it would seem that he is afraid to admit that he is a Tory. Timsey

3:39pm Sat 21 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Saintly Sam wrote:
Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass.
As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
Probably to be replaced by another bunch of Political misfits, it is time to pick individuals rather than Party they belong to.
[quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]Probably to be replaced by another bunch of Political misfits, it is time to pick individuals rather than Party they belong to. OSPREYSAINT

3:42pm Sat 21 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Brock_and_Roll wrote:
Readers might be interested to know of an equally but opposite farcical situation nearby in New Forest District.

In the New Forest we have wheelie bins but on collection day the black bags have to be taken OUT of the bins and left by the side - exactly the opposite of Southampton. Any bags left in the bins will not be collected. Apparently the councils trucks do not have the necessary wheelie bin lifting accessories and for "elf & safety" reasons, binmen are not allowed to lift bags out of the bins. So overnight just about every fox, badger, crow, cat, dog and rat has an absolute banquet and a big mess is left - and of course the binmen refuse to pick up split bags!
lol You couldn't make it up could you?
[quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: Readers might be interested to know of an equally but opposite farcical situation nearby in New Forest District. In the New Forest we have wheelie bins but on collection day the black bags have to be taken OUT of the bins and left by the side - exactly the opposite of Southampton. Any bags left in the bins will not be collected. Apparently the councils trucks do not have the necessary wheelie bin lifting accessories and for "elf & safety" reasons, binmen [aka refuse operatives] are not allowed to lift bags out of the bins. So overnight just about every fox, badger, crow, cat, dog and rat has an absolute banquet and a big mess is left - and of course the binmen refuse to pick up split bags![/p][/quote]lol You couldn't make it up could you? OSPREYSAINT

4:11pm Sat 21 Dec 13

jankirkcaldy says...

The present council becomes more of a joke every day - a rather sad one though......
The present council becomes more of a joke every day - a rather sad one though...... jankirkcaldy

4:23pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Northamboy says...

What is it with Southampton Council? They are useless regardless of what party are in power. Take a leaf out of Farehams book and learn from those that's got it right. Our bin men even pick up rubbish they drop at the back of the lorry! They accidentally left a neighbours bin full by mistake and with just one phone call it was emptied within two hours.

I was born and bred in Southampton but have lived in Fareham for 35 years now and very pleased I do. Southampton Council start working for the people you serve not against them all the time.
What is it with Southampton Council? They are useless regardless of what party are in power. Take a leaf out of Farehams book and learn from those that's got it right. Our bin men even pick up rubbish they drop at the back of the lorry! They accidentally left a neighbours bin full by mistake and with just one phone call it was emptied within two hours. I was born and bred in Southampton but have lived in Fareham for 35 years now and very pleased I do. Southampton Council start working for the people you serve not against them all the time. Northamboy

4:28pm Sat 21 Dec 13

03alpe01 says...

Southampton Flat Council claims they have no money, I wonder why...
Southampton Flat Council claims they have no money, I wonder why... 03alpe01

4:29pm Sat 21 Dec 13

03alpe01 says...

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
communal bonfires soon.
until a bonfire tax is imposed!
[quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: communal bonfires soon.[/p][/quote]until a bonfire tax is imposed! 03alpe01

4:30pm Sat 21 Dec 13

StevenGalton says...

Timsey - labour also PROMISED to maintain a FREE greenwaste fortnightly collection if they got the government grant. That would have increased recycling rates significantly. 70000 people used to use the free service only around 15% have signed up to paying labours greenwaste tax!
Timsey - labour also PROMISED to maintain a FREE greenwaste fortnightly collection if they got the government grant. That would have increased recycling rates significantly. 70000 people used to use the free service only around 15% have signed up to paying labours greenwaste tax! StevenGalton

4:35pm Sat 21 Dec 13

BeyondImagination says...

I've lived in Southampton for 34 years. ALL the councils have been a (bad) joke in all that time and probably much longer.
I've lived in Southampton for 34 years. ALL the councils have been a (bad) joke in all that time and probably much longer. BeyondImagination

4:38pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Dai Rear says...

Brock_and_Roll wrote:
Readers might be interested to know of an equally but opposite farcical situation nearby in New Forest District.

In the New Forest we have wheelie bins but on collection day the black bags have to be taken OUT of the bins and left by the side - exactly the opposite of Southampton. Any bags left in the bins will not be collected. Apparently the councils trucks do not have the necessary wheelie bin lifting accessories and for "elf & safety" reasons, binmen are not allowed to lift bags out of the bins. So overnight just about every fox, badger, crow, cat, dog and rat has an absolute banquet and a big mess is left - and of course the binmen refuse to pick up split bags!
Moreover if you break a glass you are not meant to put it in the flimsy black bags. Quite what you're meant to do with it, unless you've a councillor living locally whose **** is a good receptacle, I'm not quite sure.
Oh how I wish UKIP would declare for bins. Most people work in Southampton so I'm not sure why it's saddled with a socialist council but , frankly, there's nothing to chose between councils run by any of the 3 Wise Monkeys.
[quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: Readers might be interested to know of an equally but opposite farcical situation nearby in New Forest District. In the New Forest we have wheelie bins but on collection day the black bags have to be taken OUT of the bins and left by the side - exactly the opposite of Southampton. Any bags left in the bins will not be collected. Apparently the councils trucks do not have the necessary wheelie bin lifting accessories and for "elf & safety" reasons, binmen [aka refuse operatives] are not allowed to lift bags out of the bins. So overnight just about every fox, badger, crow, cat, dog and rat has an absolute banquet and a big mess is left - and of course the binmen refuse to pick up split bags![/p][/quote]Moreover if you break a glass you are not meant to put it in the flimsy black bags. Quite what you're meant to do with it, unless you've a councillor living locally whose **** is a good receptacle, I'm not quite sure. Oh how I wish UKIP would declare for bins. Most people work in Southampton so I'm not sure why it's saddled with a socialist council but , frankly, there's nothing to chose between councils run by any of the 3 Wise Monkeys. Dai Rear

4:38pm Sat 21 Dec 13

beatrixkitto says...

SCC binmen are the only council employees that can go home, when they have finished their rounds but are paid for a full day. They usually finish by 11.30am and are at home or in the pub. Of course this will be denied. But it is an unofficial rule for the binmen.
SCC binmen are the only council employees that can go home, when they have finished their rounds but are paid for a full day. They usually finish by 11.30am and are at home or in the pub. Of course this will be denied. But it is an unofficial rule for the binmen. beatrixkitto

4:39pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

StevenGalton wrote:
Timsey - labour also PROMISED to maintain a FREE greenwaste fortnightly collection if they got the government grant. That would have increased recycling rates significantly. 70000 people used to use the free service only around 15% have signed up to paying labours greenwaste tax!
Ahh Mr Galton ........ Didnt your Tory Council propose to charge for "Green Waste" collections .... Well according to your parties "Summary of Efficiencies"
[quote][p][bold]StevenGalton[/bold] wrote: Timsey - labour also PROMISED to maintain a FREE greenwaste fortnightly collection if they got the government grant. That would have increased recycling rates significantly. 70000 people used to use the free service only around 15% have signed up to paying labours greenwaste tax![/p][/quote]Ahh Mr Galton ........ Didnt your Tory Council propose to charge for "Green Waste" collections .... Well according to your parties "Summary of Efficiencies" Lone Ranger.

4:43pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

StevenGalton wrote:
Timsey - labour also PROMISED to maintain a FREE greenwaste fortnightly collection if they got the government grant. That would have increased recycling rates significantly. 70000 people used to use the free service only around 15% have signed up to paying labours greenwaste tax!
You dont have a response for the remaider Timsey's post then ...... Suppose he was correct about the embarassment bit then
[quote][p][bold]StevenGalton[/bold] wrote: Timsey - labour also PROMISED to maintain a FREE greenwaste fortnightly collection if they got the government grant. That would have increased recycling rates significantly. 70000 people used to use the free service only around 15% have signed up to paying labours greenwaste tax![/p][/quote]You dont have a response for the remaider Timsey's post then ...... Suppose he was correct about the embarassment bit then Lone Ranger.

4:44pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Dai Rear says...

I actually used the English word for Asinus, a subgenus of Equus that includes the donkey and other quadrupeds but all I got was ****. Let's try "fundamental orifice", shall we?
I actually used the English word for Asinus, a subgenus of Equus that includes the donkey and other quadrupeds but all I got was ****. Let's try "fundamental orifice", shall we? Dai Rear

5:03pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Brock_and_Roll says...

To be fair dustbin related incompetency does not seem to a party political matter. Southampton has almost always had socialist councils and the New Forest would vote for a small dog called Brian if it wore a blue rosette - but both councils provide a pretty rubbish rubbish service!
To be fair dustbin related incompetency does not seem to a party political matter. Southampton has almost always had socialist councils and the New Forest would vote for a small dog called Brian if it wore a blue rosette - but both councils provide a pretty rubbish rubbish service! Brock_and_Roll

5:06pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Always something to say says...

****
**** Always something to say

5:16pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Dusty says...

billyboy21 wrote:
One more excuse for the bin men not to do their jobs....when will this council get on with what is important in this county i.e homelessness,disable

d people,crime etc..........big brother is watching !!!!!!
Bin men do not make the policies, but they are the first one you pick on when your councillor enforces these rules, not just you but the bin man who has to do it. All a bin man wants to do is do his job and go home, like everyone else. He does not want to be your political punch bag, that gets payed peanuts for a thankless task. Because he works for a council means he is lazy. I bet most of you could not drag a couple of thousand bins in a day, while walking a whole shift, but the bin man is lazy?

Just ignorant comments from ignorant people
[quote][p][bold]billyboy21[/bold] wrote: One more excuse for the bin men not to do their jobs....when will this council get on with what is important in this county i.e homelessness,disable d people,crime etc..........big brother is watching !!!!!![/p][/quote]Bin men do not make the policies, but they are the first one you pick on when your councillor enforces these rules, not just you but the bin man who has to do it. All a bin man wants to do is do his job and go home, like everyone else. He does not want to be your political punch bag, that gets payed peanuts for a thankless task. Because he works for a council means he is lazy. I bet most of you could not drag a couple of thousand bins in a day, while walking a whole shift, but the bin man is lazy? Just ignorant comments from ignorant people Dusty

5:24pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Huffter says...

While the people of Southampton are so busy complaining about the new policy, the people of Eastleigh have been operating under these rules and making them work perfectly well for years.
While the people of Southampton are so busy complaining about the new policy, the people of Eastleigh have been operating under these rules and making them work perfectly well for years. Huffter

5:25pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Chipster says...

KSO16R wrote:
None of these 'new rules' are unreasonable and council tax offers good value for money. So easy to sit back and pick holes in anything the council does, an easy target which ever political persuasion.
Only my opinion of course. Thumbs down anyone?
I take it you are either one of the Council Clowns responsible for this or your either a sycophant, masochist or Southampton's answer to Forrest Gump!
We pay our council taxes for a reason, which is to fund essential services like refuse collection. How anal is it that a moronic tw@t with the IQ of a half eaten kebab can leave a bin to fester just because the lid is partially open, oh dear, what a crime!
When is common sense going to be administered, are we that far down the road to Orwell's England? What numpty sits around and thinks up these Stalinist rules and regulations?
It seems no matter what political party is involved, they're all the same self serving, self pontificating bunch of chinless wonders out to justify their pathetic existences. Christ, don't they realise there is a recession where most if not all are trying to keep their heads above the breadline, the last thing to come to mind is whether the bin has plastic in it or lasts nights left over Chinese takeaway!
Southampton Council, get a life! And get on providing what we pay you to do. KSO16R, please remove your head from your own @rse!
[quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: None of these 'new rules' are unreasonable and council tax offers good value for money. So easy to sit back and pick holes in anything the council does, an easy target which ever political persuasion. Only my opinion of course. Thumbs down anyone?[/p][/quote]I take it you are either one of the Council Clowns responsible for this or your either a sycophant, masochist or Southampton's answer to Forrest Gump! We pay our council taxes for a reason, which is to fund essential services like refuse collection. How anal is it that a moronic tw@t with the IQ of a half eaten kebab can leave a bin to fester just because the lid is partially open, oh dear, what a crime! When is common sense going to be administered, are we that far down the road to Orwell's England? What numpty sits around and thinks up these Stalinist rules and regulations? It seems no matter what political party is involved, they're all the same self serving, self pontificating bunch of chinless wonders out to justify their pathetic existences. Christ, don't they realise there is a recession where most if not all are trying to keep their heads above the breadline, the last thing to come to mind is whether the bin has plastic in it or lasts nights left over Chinese takeaway! Southampton Council, get a life! And get on providing what we pay you to do. KSO16R, please remove your head from your own @rse! Chipster

5:27pm Sat 21 Dec 13

freefinker says...

Can't be bothered to read the whining of many above.

About time Southampton started to deal with the waste problem seriously; and this is a very modest start. What’s needed now is alternate fortnightly waste/recycling collections. I still can’t believe that thoughtless, profligate waste generators are still pampered by this council with the pre-1980’s model of weekly collections.

Get real, we need to stop producing the current vast quantities of waste and put the throw-away society into reverse. While education plays a considerable part in achieving this, by far the most effective way of reducing waste has been to reduce the capacity allocated to each household. Fortnightly collections and smaller bins have proved effective in all authorities that have introduced such systems.

Meanwhile, in Southampton for the past two decades the Blues and Reds have been fighting each other to see who can sink the lowest into the gutter by pampering to the lowest of the low; cretins who refuse to alter their lifestyle one iota to achieve even modest improvements. Shame on both political parties for their quite disgusting behaviour in refusing to effectively deal with this issue – the real reason this city has some of the worse recycling statistics in the country.
Can't be bothered to read the whining of many above. About time Southampton started to deal with the waste problem seriously; and this is a very modest start. What’s needed now is alternate fortnightly waste/recycling collections. I still can’t believe that thoughtless, profligate waste generators are still pampered by this council with the pre-1980’s model of weekly collections. Get real, we need to stop producing the current vast quantities of waste and put the throw-away society into reverse. While education plays a considerable part in achieving this, by far the most effective way of reducing waste has been to reduce the capacity allocated to each household. Fortnightly collections and smaller bins have proved effective in all authorities that have introduced such systems. Meanwhile, in Southampton for the past two decades the Blues and Reds have been fighting each other to see who can sink the lowest into the gutter by pampering to the lowest of the low; cretins who refuse to alter their lifestyle one iota to achieve even modest improvements. Shame on both political parties for their quite disgusting behaviour in refusing to effectively deal with this issue – the real reason this city has some of the worse recycling statistics in the country. freefinker

5:27pm Sat 21 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

03alpe01 wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
communal bonfires soon.
until a bonfire tax is imposed!
I live in a Smokeless Zone, but that doesn't stop the pyromaniacs from stinking us out on a pleasant day. I doubt many even know if their area is a designated area?

I wouldn't knock the individual dustmen, our locals seem a decent crew, better than when we had the scab contractors, none of whom could speak English, except their foreman who was Scottish and equally unintelligible!
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: communal bonfires soon.[/p][/quote]until a bonfire tax is imposed![/p][/quote]I live in a Smokeless Zone, but that doesn't stop the pyromaniacs from stinking us out on a pleasant day. I doubt many even know if their area is a designated area? I wouldn't knock the individual dustmen, our locals seem a decent crew, better than when we had the scab contractors, none of whom could speak English, except their foreman who was Scottish and equally unintelligible! OSPREYSAINT

5:31pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Dusty says...

beatrixkitto wrote:
SCC binmen are the only council employees that can go home, when they have finished their rounds but are paid for a full day. They usually finish by 11.30am and are at home or in the pub. Of course this will be denied. But it is an unofficial rule for the binmen.
Task and finish is a ruse, with it the council get more work done as people work faster to finish. Get rid of that and you will find rounds taking longer, as rules and breaks will be taken and that will mean more rounds having to be made up. Costing you more in council tax. I do not work for SCC, but i am a bin man and we wanted task and finish gone, but the council seemed not to want to do that.

Once again ignorant comments from ignorant people that do not know the job. Love to see you lot do it, i seen many agency staff last half a day because they could not physically do the job. As for comments about bin men of old with a bin on their back. How many of them had back related heath problems? You ok with that people, as long as your rubbish is collected im alright Jack. Not to mention in them days there was no where near the properties there is now.
[quote][p][bold]beatrixkitto[/bold] wrote: SCC binmen are the only council employees that can go home, when they have finished their rounds but are paid for a full day. They usually finish by 11.30am and are at home or in the pub. Of course this will be denied. But it is an unofficial rule for the binmen.[/p][/quote]Task and finish is a ruse, with it the council get more work done as people work faster to finish. Get rid of that and you will find rounds taking longer, as rules and breaks will be taken and that will mean more rounds having to be made up. Costing you more in council tax. I do not work for SCC, but i am a bin man and we wanted task and finish gone, but the council seemed not to want to do that. Once again ignorant comments from ignorant people that do not know the job. Love to see you lot do it, i seen many agency staff last half a day because they could not physically do the job. As for comments about bin men of old with a bin on their back. How many of them had back related heath problems? You ok with that people, as long as your rubbish is collected im alright Jack. Not to mention in them days there was no where near the properties there is now. Dusty

5:33pm Sat 21 Dec 13

IronLady2010 says...

To be fair, the bin men are pretty good. But what happens if people work away from home often and aren't at home to return the bins.

I alway leave my bin at the bottom of the drive so it's on my property but can be taken from the footpath, but they always leave it on the footpath. Every now and again we have to play hunt the bin as it's been left the other end of the street and as I like to bleach my bin I don't want someone elses.
To be fair, the bin men are pretty good. But what happens if people work away from home often and aren't at home to return the bins. I alway leave my bin at the bottom of the drive so it's on my property but can be taken from the footpath, but they always leave it on the footpath. Every now and again we have to play hunt the bin as it's been left the other end of the street and as I like to bleach my bin I don't want someone elses. IronLady2010

5:44pm Sat 21 Dec 13

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Feb 2010 ..... Who or how many got fined £100 for leaving their bins out on the pavement for too long ....... My guess ..... nobody.
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July 2009 .. ... who or how many got find £100 for not re-cycling properly ... My guess .... Nobody.
Although i am sure that Cllr Moulton maybe able to correst me as it was the Tories who were bringing it in.
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At a guess I would say that 95% of the residents who live in Southampton will not be affected by this latest campaign
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It seems strange therefore that so many are taking exception to it ……. Unless of course they are part of the 5% who are continually happy for this City to revert back to having bin bags and rubbish strewn across our roads and pavements.
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Now obviously Cllr Moulton will moan about anything carried out by Labour as he has been programmed that way and can see no further than the end of his blue scarf.
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As regards Morrell and Thomas … Perhaps their concern are that some of their residents maybe a few of the culprits …..
.
Perhaps we should employ an army of street cleaner to go round and pick up even more cr@p from our City streets that a bunch of filthy residents are too lazy to do it themselves ……. Better still …. Fine them
correst me?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Feb 2010 ..... Who or how many got fined £100 for leaving their bins out on the pavement for too long ....... My guess ..... nobody. . July 2009 .. ... who or how many got find £100 for not re-cycling properly ... My guess .... Nobody. Although i am sure that Cllr Moulton maybe able to correst me as it was the Tories who were bringing it in. .------------- At a guess I would say that 95% of the residents who live in Southampton will not be affected by this latest campaign . It seems strange therefore that so many are taking exception to it ……. Unless of course they are part of the 5% who are continually happy for this City to revert back to having bin bags and rubbish strewn across our roads and pavements. . Now obviously Cllr Moulton will moan about anything carried out by Labour as he has been programmed that way and can see no further than the end of his blue scarf. . As regards Morrell and Thomas … Perhaps their concern are that some of their residents maybe a few of the culprits ….. . Perhaps we should employ an army of street cleaner to go round and pick up even more cr@p from our City streets that a bunch of filthy residents are too lazy to do it themselves ……. Better still …. Fine them[/p][/quote]correst me? loosehead

5:48pm Sat 21 Dec 13

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Saintly Sam wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....
so how much is earned for the glass ?
are you telling me there's no pay back for it?
I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go"
As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?[/p][/quote]Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....[/p][/quote]so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered? loosehead

5:56pm Sat 21 Dec 13

loosehead says...

Timsey wrote:
Conservative opposition deputy leader Cllr Jeremy Moulton said: “I think it’s ridiculous. Perhaps the question has to be asked has Cllr Jeremy Moulton, spoken to his Conservative colleague the Rt. Hon Eric Pickles MP, for Brentwood and Ongar and Secretary of State for communities and Local Government, about the terms and conditions of the money that HIS government gave to SCC to do the roadside collection of glass.
Wasn't Cllr Moulton and his colleagues applying for the same grant but at a lower rate, and it was the Labour Council that took the initiative to increase the amount of money they were applying for and won it. to keep the collection weekly, and also to IMPROVE the recycling rate in the city by collecting glass. As Lone ranger says Cllr Moulton is programmed in such a way that he can only decry anything that Labour does, and at times it would seem that he is afraid to admit that he is a Tory.
so Timsey your saying this grant was to keep weekly collections & recycling?
do you mean the same weekly collections the Labour council wanted to do away with?
why is it the Tories yes Jeremy Moulton applied for a grant to keep weekly collections which Labour more than doubled the figure being asked for but then set in place a charge for green waste collections?
the same waste they're now saying if it's found in your green bin they won't empty it & will charge you a £100 fine for doing it?
As for leaving the bins out I agree in some cases this is a stupid thing to do but I've seen bins left out permanently until the local yobs burn them.
Also before you slate the Tories & especially Moulton just remember it was also them who fought & bent Pickles ear to get us this grant along with Caroline Nookes MP & the Labour council acknowledged this work until that silly little girl Kaur attacked them
[quote][p][bold]Timsey[/bold] wrote: Conservative opposition deputy leader Cllr Jeremy Moulton said: “I think it’s ridiculous. Perhaps the question has to be asked has Cllr Jeremy Moulton, spoken to his Conservative colleague the Rt. Hon Eric Pickles MP, for Brentwood and Ongar and Secretary of State for communities and Local Government, about the terms and conditions of the money that HIS government gave to SCC to do the roadside collection of glass. Wasn't Cllr Moulton and his colleagues applying for the same grant but at a lower rate, and it was the Labour Council that took the initiative to increase the amount of money they were applying for and won it. to keep the collection weekly, and also to IMPROVE the recycling rate in the city by collecting glass. As Lone ranger says Cllr Moulton is programmed in such a way that he can only decry anything that Labour does, and at times it would seem that he is afraid to admit that he is a Tory.[/p][/quote]so Timsey your saying this grant was to keep weekly collections & recycling? do you mean the same weekly collections the Labour council wanted to do away with? why is it the Tories yes Jeremy Moulton applied for a grant to keep weekly collections which Labour more than doubled the figure being asked for but then set in place a charge for green waste collections? the same waste they're now saying if it's found in your green bin they won't empty it & will charge you a £100 fine for doing it? As for leaving the bins out I agree in some cases this is a stupid thing to do but I've seen bins left out permanently until the local yobs burn them. Also before you slate the Tories & especially Moulton just remember it was also them who fought & bent Pickles ear to get us this grant along with Caroline Nookes MP & the Labour council acknowledged this work until that silly little girl Kaur attacked them loosehead

5:57pm Sat 21 Dec 13

beatrixkitto says...

Dusty wrote:
beatrixkitto wrote:
SCC binmen are the only council employees that can go home, when they have finished their rounds but are paid for a full day. They usually finish by 11.30am and are at home or in the pub. Of course this will be denied. But it is an unofficial rule for the binmen.
Task and finish is a ruse, with it the council get more work done as people work faster to finish. Get rid of that and you will find rounds taking longer, as rules and breaks will be taken and that will mean more rounds having to be made up. Costing you more in council tax. I do not work for SCC, but i am a bin man and we wanted task and finish gone, but the council seemed not to want to do that.

Once again ignorant comments from ignorant people that do not know the job. Love to see you lot do it, i seen many agency staff last half a day because they could not physically do the job. As for comments about bin men of old with a bin on their back. How many of them had back related heath problems? You ok with that people, as long as your rubbish is collected im alright Jack. Not to mention in them days there was no where near the properties there is now.
What wheel a wheelie bin to a truck? Yes it must be so taxing! It's not like the old days when it was the old eroded metal dustbins that had to be carried over the shoulders to empty.

Give it up, bin men are on to a good thing, part time hours, full time pay.
[quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beatrixkitto[/bold] wrote: SCC binmen are the only council employees that can go home, when they have finished their rounds but are paid for a full day. They usually finish by 11.30am and are at home or in the pub. Of course this will be denied. But it is an unofficial rule for the binmen.[/p][/quote]Task and finish is a ruse, with it the council get more work done as people work faster to finish. Get rid of that and you will find rounds taking longer, as rules and breaks will be taken and that will mean more rounds having to be made up. Costing you more in council tax. I do not work for SCC, but i am a bin man and we wanted task and finish gone, but the council seemed not to want to do that. Once again ignorant comments from ignorant people that do not know the job. Love to see you lot do it, i seen many agency staff last half a day because they could not physically do the job. As for comments about bin men of old with a bin on their back. How many of them had back related heath problems? You ok with that people, as long as your rubbish is collected im alright Jack. Not to mention in them days there was no where near the properties there is now.[/p][/quote]What wheel a wheelie bin to a truck? Yes it must be so taxing! It's not like the old days when it was the old eroded metal dustbins that had to be carried over the shoulders to empty. Give it up, bin men are on to a good thing, part time hours, full time pay. beatrixkitto

6:03pm Sat 21 Dec 13

loosehead says...

Here's an idea cut our council tax & allow us to arrange private collection of our bins & to sell our recyclables to a recycling company?
for people like me who only need to put the bin out once a month it would save me a packet & maybe with the recycling money I'll pay next to nothing for it!
Here's an idea cut our council tax & allow us to arrange private collection of our bins & to sell our recyclables to a recycling company? for people like me who only need to put the bin out once a month it would save me a packet & maybe with the recycling money I'll pay next to nothing for it! loosehead

6:05pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Inform Al says...

Dusty wrote:
beatrixkitto wrote:
SCC binmen are the only council employees that can go home, when they have finished their rounds but are paid for a full day. They usually finish by 11.30am and are at home or in the pub. Of course this will be denied. But it is an unofficial rule for the binmen.
Task and finish is a ruse, with it the council get more work done as people work faster to finish. Get rid of that and you will find rounds taking longer, as rules and breaks will be taken and that will mean more rounds having to be made up. Costing you more in council tax. I do not work for SCC, but i am a bin man and we wanted task and finish gone, but the council seemed not to want to do that.

Once again ignorant comments from ignorant people that do not know the job. Love to see you lot do it, i seen many agency staff last half a day because they could not physically do the job. As for comments about bin men of old with a bin on their back. How many of them had back related heath problems? You ok with that people, as long as your rubbish is collected im alright Jack. Not to mention in them days there was no where near the properties there is now.
The real point of my earlier comment about binmen lifting bins in the past was the bit about them coming through to the backyard to collect and return the bins. They will not even come into the front garden now to collect an easily available wheelie bin. It has to be left out on the pathway, often obstructing parents with push chairs.
[quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beatrixkitto[/bold] wrote: SCC binmen are the only council employees that can go home, when they have finished their rounds but are paid for a full day. They usually finish by 11.30am and are at home or in the pub. Of course this will be denied. But it is an unofficial rule for the binmen.[/p][/quote]Task and finish is a ruse, with it the council get more work done as people work faster to finish. Get rid of that and you will find rounds taking longer, as rules and breaks will be taken and that will mean more rounds having to be made up. Costing you more in council tax. I do not work for SCC, but i am a bin man and we wanted task and finish gone, but the council seemed not to want to do that. Once again ignorant comments from ignorant people that do not know the job. Love to see you lot do it, i seen many agency staff last half a day because they could not physically do the job. As for comments about bin men of old with a bin on their back. How many of them had back related heath problems? You ok with that people, as long as your rubbish is collected im alright Jack. Not to mention in them days there was no where near the properties there is now.[/p][/quote]The real point of my earlier comment about binmen lifting bins in the past was the bit about them coming through to the backyard to collect and return the bins. They will not even come into the front garden now to collect an easily available wheelie bin. It has to be left out on the pathway, often obstructing parents with push chairs. Inform Al

6:08pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Inform Al says...

loosehead wrote:
Here's an idea cut our council tax & allow us to arrange private collection of our bins & to sell our recyclables to a recycling company?
for people like me who only need to put the bin out once a month it would save me a packet & maybe with the recycling money I'll pay next to nothing for it!
It's the private element of running our council that is wasting so much of OUR money, Crapita is an example of this.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Here's an idea cut our council tax & allow us to arrange private collection of our bins & to sell our recyclables to a recycling company? for people like me who only need to put the bin out once a month it would save me a packet & maybe with the recycling money I'll pay next to nothing for it![/p][/quote]It's the private element of running our council that is wasting so much of OUR money, Crapita is an example of this. Inform Al

6:27pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Dusty says...

Inform Al wrote:
Dusty wrote:
beatrixkitto wrote:
SCC binmen are the only council employees that can go home, when they have finished their rounds but are paid for a full day. They usually finish by 11.30am and are at home or in the pub. Of course this will be denied. But it is an unofficial rule for the binmen.
Task and finish is a ruse, with it the council get more work done as people work faster to finish. Get rid of that and you will find rounds taking longer, as rules and breaks will be taken and that will mean more rounds having to be made up. Costing you more in council tax. I do not work for SCC, but i am a bin man and we wanted task and finish gone, but the council seemed not to want to do that.

Once again ignorant comments from ignorant people that do not know the job. Love to see you lot do it, i seen many agency staff last half a day because they could not physically do the job. As for comments about bin men of old with a bin on their back. How many of them had back related heath problems? You ok with that people, as long as your rubbish is collected im alright Jack. Not to mention in them days there was no where near the properties there is now.
The real point of my earlier comment about binmen lifting bins in the past was the bit about them coming through to the backyard to collect and return the bins. They will not even come into the front garden now to collect an easily available wheelie bin. It has to be left out on the pathway, often obstructing parents with push chairs.
Want to know why, time and claims. If we were now to do that with the amount of bins we have to collect in a day the round wont get done. If you want that service, double the amount of carts and crews. I went in and got a bin once from a garden and they put in a claim that i proc a pavement slab. I am a big old unit, but not that big to break pavement slabs when i walk. Plus complaints that people dont want us in the gardens.

You only have one bin to put out, but that seems a bit much for some, while claiming we are lazy. There is irony there.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beatrixkitto[/bold] wrote: SCC binmen are the only council employees that can go home, when they have finished their rounds but are paid for a full day. They usually finish by 11.30am and are at home or in the pub. Of course this will be denied. But it is an unofficial rule for the binmen.[/p][/quote]Task and finish is a ruse, with it the council get more work done as people work faster to finish. Get rid of that and you will find rounds taking longer, as rules and breaks will be taken and that will mean more rounds having to be made up. Costing you more in council tax. I do not work for SCC, but i am a bin man and we wanted task and finish gone, but the council seemed not to want to do that. Once again ignorant comments from ignorant people that do not know the job. Love to see you lot do it, i seen many agency staff last half a day because they could not physically do the job. As for comments about bin men of old with a bin on their back. How many of them had back related heath problems? You ok with that people, as long as your rubbish is collected im alright Jack. Not to mention in them days there was no where near the properties there is now.[/p][/quote]The real point of my earlier comment about binmen lifting bins in the past was the bit about them coming through to the backyard to collect and return the bins. They will not even come into the front garden now to collect an easily available wheelie bin. It has to be left out on the pathway, often obstructing parents with push chairs.[/p][/quote]Want to know why, time and claims. If we were now to do that with the amount of bins we have to collect in a day the round wont get done. If you want that service, double the amount of carts and crews. I went in and got a bin once from a garden and they put in a claim that i proc a pavement slab. I am a big old unit, but not that big to break pavement slabs when i walk. Plus complaints that people dont want us in the gardens. You only have one bin to put out, but that seems a bit much for some, while claiming we are lazy. There is irony there. Dusty

6:27pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Stillness says...

I see that the bin men aren't quite so popular this year then.
I see that the bin men aren't quite so popular this year then. Stillness

6:32pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Feb 2010 ..... Who or how many got fined £100 for leaving their bins out on the pavement for too long ....... My guess ..... nobody.
.
July 2009 .. ... who or how many got find £100 for not re-cycling properly ... My guess .... Nobody.
Although i am sure that Cllr Moulton maybe able to correst me as it was the Tories who were bringing it in.
.-------------
At a guess I would say that 95% of the residents who live in Southampton will not be affected by this latest campaign
.
It seems strange therefore that so many are taking exception to it ……. Unless of course they are part of the 5% who are continually happy for this City to revert back to having bin bags and rubbish strewn across our roads and pavements.
.
Now obviously Cllr Moulton will moan about anything carried out by Labour as he has been programmed that way and can see no further than the end of his blue scarf.
.
As regards Morrell and Thomas … Perhaps their concern are that some of their residents maybe a few of the culprits …..
.
Perhaps we should employ an army of street cleaner to go round and pick up even more cr@p from our City streets that a bunch of filthy residents are too lazy to do it themselves ……. Better still …. Fine them
correst me?
Well done ....... looks like you agreed with the post and picked up just one spelling error ........... and your point is
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Feb 2010 ..... Who or how many got fined £100 for leaving their bins out on the pavement for too long ....... My guess ..... nobody. . July 2009 .. ... who or how many got find £100 for not re-cycling properly ... My guess .... Nobody. Although i am sure that Cllr Moulton maybe able to correst me as it was the Tories who were bringing it in. .------------- At a guess I would say that 95% of the residents who live in Southampton will not be affected by this latest campaign . It seems strange therefore that so many are taking exception to it ……. Unless of course they are part of the 5% who are continually happy for this City to revert back to having bin bags and rubbish strewn across our roads and pavements. . Now obviously Cllr Moulton will moan about anything carried out by Labour as he has been programmed that way and can see no further than the end of his blue scarf. . As regards Morrell and Thomas … Perhaps their concern are that some of their residents maybe a few of the culprits ….. . Perhaps we should employ an army of street cleaner to go round and pick up even more cr@p from our City streets that a bunch of filthy residents are too lazy to do it themselves ……. Better still …. Fine them[/p][/quote]correst me?[/p][/quote]Well done ....... looks like you agreed with the post and picked up just one spelling error ........... and your point is Lone Ranger.

6:36pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Leesylou67 says...

I walked around the St Mary's area this week and counted 11 mattresses, 2 beds and a sofa in people's front gardens, the council might want to start here first before they get really picky about lids not closed!
I walked around the St Mary's area this week and counted 11 mattresses, 2 beds and a sofa in people's front gardens, the council might want to start here first before they get really picky about lids not closed! Leesylou67

6:48pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Graham72 says...

I am on the ground floor and have my recycling bin outside my front door (I have a ground floor flat). I am always careful to sort out. Someone - I guess in another flat - is too lazy to walk round to the normal bins at the back and will dump ordinary rubbish in my recycling bin.

Normally, I will notice this before I put more recycling in, and then have to make the effort to remove the rubbish and take it to one of the normal bins.

I presume if there are times when I fail to catch this, I will be facing "re-education visits"
I am on the ground floor and have my recycling bin outside my front door (I have a ground floor flat). I am always careful to sort out. Someone - I guess in another flat - is too lazy to walk round to the normal bins at the back and will dump ordinary rubbish in my recycling bin. Normally, I will notice this before I put more recycling in, and then have to make the effort to remove the rubbish and take it to one of the normal bins. I presume if there are times when I fail to catch this, I will be facing "re-education visits" Graham72

6:51pm Sat 21 Dec 13

StevenGalton says...

Ah Lone Ranger - Labour Councillor, Activist, Supporter or Sympathiser?
- how about some honesty and transparency on who you really are!

Another fact - regardless of the potential outcome of the government bid Labour had promised in the run up to 2012 local elections to KEEP A WEEKLY BIN COLLECTION - In Autumn 2012, just mere months after winning control of the city the Labour Group were happy to break this promise and bring in fortnightly collections - something the Conservative group NEVER DID - Conservatives protected weekly bin collections, provided free greenwaste collections and instigated bringing in a kerbside glass collection - on top of always sticking to the promises made to the electorate...

Can anyone explain why it has taken so long to actually start collecting the glass and why Labour reneged on their promise to maintain a free greenwaste collection once government provided the funding to do exactly this?
Ah Lone Ranger - Labour Councillor, Activist, Supporter or Sympathiser? - how about some honesty and transparency on who you really are! Another fact - regardless of the potential outcome of the government bid Labour had promised in the run up to 2012 local elections to KEEP A WEEKLY BIN COLLECTION - In Autumn 2012, just mere months after winning control of the city the Labour Group were happy to break this promise and bring in fortnightly collections - something the Conservative group NEVER DID - Conservatives protected weekly bin collections, provided free greenwaste collections and instigated bringing in a kerbside glass collection - on top of always sticking to the promises made to the electorate... Can anyone explain why it has taken so long to actually start collecting the glass and why Labour reneged on their promise to maintain a free greenwaste collection once government provided the funding to do exactly this? StevenGalton

7:09pm Sat 21 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Inform Al wrote:
Dusty wrote:
beatrixkitto wrote:
SCC binmen are the only council employees that can go home, when they have finished their rounds but are paid for a full day. They usually finish by 11.30am and are at home or in the pub. Of course this will be denied. But it is an unofficial rule for the binmen.
Task and finish is a ruse, with it the council get more work done as people work faster to finish. Get rid of that and you will find rounds taking longer, as rules and breaks will be taken and that will mean more rounds having to be made up. Costing you more in council tax. I do not work for SCC, but i am a bin man and we wanted task and finish gone, but the council seemed not to want to do that.

Once again ignorant comments from ignorant people that do not know the job. Love to see you lot do it, i seen many agency staff last half a day because they could not physically do the job. As for comments about bin men of old with a bin on their back. How many of them had back related heath problems? You ok with that people, as long as your rubbish is collected im alright Jack. Not to mention in them days there was no where near the properties there is now.
The real point of my earlier comment about binmen lifting bins in the past was the bit about them coming through to the backyard to collect and return the bins. They will not even come into the front garden now to collect an easily available wheelie bin. It has to be left out on the pathway, often obstructing parents with push chairs.
Not to mention people with poor eyesight, the bins must be a nightmare for them to negotiate.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beatrixkitto[/bold] wrote: SCC binmen are the only council employees that can go home, when they have finished their rounds but are paid for a full day. They usually finish by 11.30am and are at home or in the pub. Of course this will be denied. But it is an unofficial rule for the binmen.[/p][/quote]Task and finish is a ruse, with it the council get more work done as people work faster to finish. Get rid of that and you will find rounds taking longer, as rules and breaks will be taken and that will mean more rounds having to be made up. Costing you more in council tax. I do not work for SCC, but i am a bin man and we wanted task and finish gone, but the council seemed not to want to do that. Once again ignorant comments from ignorant people that do not know the job. Love to see you lot do it, i seen many agency staff last half a day because they could not physically do the job. As for comments about bin men of old with a bin on their back. How many of them had back related heath problems? You ok with that people, as long as your rubbish is collected im alright Jack. Not to mention in them days there was no where near the properties there is now.[/p][/quote]The real point of my earlier comment about binmen lifting bins in the past was the bit about them coming through to the backyard to collect and return the bins. They will not even come into the front garden now to collect an easily available wheelie bin. It has to be left out on the pathway, often obstructing parents with push chairs.[/p][/quote]Not to mention people with poor eyesight, the bins must be a nightmare for them to negotiate. OSPREYSAINT

7:12pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Inform Al says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Dusty wrote:
beatrixkitto wrote:
SCC binmen are the only council employees that can go home, when they have finished their rounds but are paid for a full day. They usually finish by 11.30am and are at home or in the pub. Of course this will be denied. But it is an unofficial rule for the binmen.
Task and finish is a ruse, with it the council get more work done as people work faster to finish. Get rid of that and you will find rounds taking longer, as rules and breaks will be taken and that will mean more rounds having to be made up. Costing you more in council tax. I do not work for SCC, but i am a bin man and we wanted task and finish gone, but the council seemed not to want to do that.

Once again ignorant comments from ignorant people that do not know the job. Love to see you lot do it, i seen many agency staff last half a day because they could not physically do the job. As for comments about bin men of old with a bin on their back. How many of them had back related heath problems? You ok with that people, as long as your rubbish is collected im alright Jack. Not to mention in them days there was no where near the properties there is now.
The real point of my earlier comment about binmen lifting bins in the past was the bit about them coming through to the backyard to collect and return the bins. They will not even come into the front garden now to collect an easily available wheelie bin. It has to be left out on the pathway, often obstructing parents with push chairs.
Not to mention people with poor eyesight, the bins must be a nightmare for them to negotiate.
And those confined to mobility scooters
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beatrixkitto[/bold] wrote: SCC binmen are the only council employees that can go home, when they have finished their rounds but are paid for a full day. They usually finish by 11.30am and are at home or in the pub. Of course this will be denied. But it is an unofficial rule for the binmen.[/p][/quote]Task and finish is a ruse, with it the council get more work done as people work faster to finish. Get rid of that and you will find rounds taking longer, as rules and breaks will be taken and that will mean more rounds having to be made up. Costing you more in council tax. I do not work for SCC, but i am a bin man and we wanted task and finish gone, but the council seemed not to want to do that. Once again ignorant comments from ignorant people that do not know the job. Love to see you lot do it, i seen many agency staff last half a day because they could not physically do the job. As for comments about bin men of old with a bin on their back. How many of them had back related heath problems? You ok with that people, as long as your rubbish is collected im alright Jack. Not to mention in them days there was no where near the properties there is now.[/p][/quote]The real point of my earlier comment about binmen lifting bins in the past was the bit about them coming through to the backyard to collect and return the bins. They will not even come into the front garden now to collect an easily available wheelie bin. It has to be left out on the pathway, often obstructing parents with push chairs.[/p][/quote]Not to mention people with poor eyesight, the bins must be a nightmare for them to negotiate.[/p][/quote]And those confined to mobility scooters Inform Al

7:12pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Dusty says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Dusty wrote:
beatrixkitto wrote:
SCC binmen are the only council employees that can go home, when they have finished their rounds but are paid for a full day. They usually finish by 11.30am and are at home or in the pub. Of course this will be denied. But it is an unofficial rule for the binmen.
Task and finish is a ruse, with it the council get more work done as people work faster to finish. Get rid of that and you will find rounds taking longer, as rules and breaks will be taken and that will mean more rounds having to be made up. Costing you more in council tax. I do not work for SCC, but i am a bin man and we wanted task and finish gone, but the council seemed not to want to do that.

Once again ignorant comments from ignorant people that do not know the job. Love to see you lot do it, i seen many agency staff last half a day because they could not physically do the job. As for comments about bin men of old with a bin on their back. How many of them had back related heath problems? You ok with that people, as long as your rubbish is collected im alright Jack. Not to mention in them days there was no where near the properties there is now.
The real point of my earlier comment about binmen lifting bins in the past was the bit about them coming through to the backyard to collect and return the bins. They will not even come into the front garden now to collect an easily available wheelie bin. It has to be left out on the pathway, often obstructing parents with push chairs.
Not to mention people with poor eyesight, the bins must be a nightmare for them to negotiate.
I gave you the reason why they dont come in. Why dont you all try and become councillors and make up your own policies, Be prepared to pay for it out of the budget you dont have
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beatrixkitto[/bold] wrote: SCC binmen are the only council employees that can go home, when they have finished their rounds but are paid for a full day. They usually finish by 11.30am and are at home or in the pub. Of course this will be denied. But it is an unofficial rule for the binmen.[/p][/quote]Task and finish is a ruse, with it the council get more work done as people work faster to finish. Get rid of that and you will find rounds taking longer, as rules and breaks will be taken and that will mean more rounds having to be made up. Costing you more in council tax. I do not work for SCC, but i am a bin man and we wanted task and finish gone, but the council seemed not to want to do that. Once again ignorant comments from ignorant people that do not know the job. Love to see you lot do it, i seen many agency staff last half a day because they could not physically do the job. As for comments about bin men of old with a bin on their back. How many of them had back related heath problems? You ok with that people, as long as your rubbish is collected im alright Jack. Not to mention in them days there was no where near the properties there is now.[/p][/quote]The real point of my earlier comment about binmen lifting bins in the past was the bit about them coming through to the backyard to collect and return the bins. They will not even come into the front garden now to collect an easily available wheelie bin. It has to be left out on the pathway, often obstructing parents with push chairs.[/p][/quote]Not to mention people with poor eyesight, the bins must be a nightmare for them to negotiate.[/p][/quote]I gave you the reason why they dont come in. Why dont you all try and become councillors and make up your own policies, Be prepared to pay for it out of the budget you dont have Dusty

7:19pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Inform Al says...

Dusty wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Dusty wrote:
beatrixkitto wrote:
SCC binmen are the only council employees that can go home, when they have finished their rounds but are paid for a full day. They usually finish by 11.30am and are at home or in the pub. Of course this will be denied. But it is an unofficial rule for the binmen.
Task and finish is a ruse, with it the council get more work done as people work faster to finish. Get rid of that and you will find rounds taking longer, as rules and breaks will be taken and that will mean more rounds having to be made up. Costing you more in council tax. I do not work for SCC, but i am a bin man and we wanted task and finish gone, but the council seemed not to want to do that.

Once again ignorant comments from ignorant people that do not know the job. Love to see you lot do it, i seen many agency staff last half a day because they could not physically do the job. As for comments about bin men of old with a bin on their back. How many of them had back related heath problems? You ok with that people, as long as your rubbish is collected im alright Jack. Not to mention in them days there was no where near the properties there is now.
The real point of my earlier comment about binmen lifting bins in the past was the bit about them coming through to the backyard to collect and return the bins. They will not even come into the front garden now to collect an easily available wheelie bin. It has to be left out on the pathway, often obstructing parents with push chairs.
Not to mention people with poor eyesight, the bins must be a nightmare for them to negotiate.
I gave you the reason why they dont come in. Why dont you all try and become councillors and make up your own policies, Be prepared to pay for it out of the budget you dont have
If we had a Tory government and a Tory council we would be properly financed, same would go for Labour and Labour. The best result though would be a UKIP government that is more likely to be fair to all.
[quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beatrixkitto[/bold] wrote: SCC binmen are the only council employees that can go home, when they have finished their rounds but are paid for a full day. They usually finish by 11.30am and are at home or in the pub. Of course this will be denied. But it is an unofficial rule for the binmen.[/p][/quote]Task and finish is a ruse, with it the council get more work done as people work faster to finish. Get rid of that and you will find rounds taking longer, as rules and breaks will be taken and that will mean more rounds having to be made up. Costing you more in council tax. I do not work for SCC, but i am a bin man and we wanted task and finish gone, but the council seemed not to want to do that. Once again ignorant comments from ignorant people that do not know the job. Love to see you lot do it, i seen many agency staff last half a day because they could not physically do the job. As for comments about bin men of old with a bin on their back. How many of them had back related heath problems? You ok with that people, as long as your rubbish is collected im alright Jack. Not to mention in them days there was no where near the properties there is now.[/p][/quote]The real point of my earlier comment about binmen lifting bins in the past was the bit about them coming through to the backyard to collect and return the bins. They will not even come into the front garden now to collect an easily available wheelie bin. It has to be left out on the pathway, often obstructing parents with push chairs.[/p][/quote]Not to mention people with poor eyesight, the bins must be a nightmare for them to negotiate.[/p][/quote]I gave you the reason why they dont come in. Why dont you all try and become councillors and make up your own policies, Be prepared to pay for it out of the budget you dont have[/p][/quote]If we had a Tory government and a Tory council we would be properly financed, same would go for Labour and Labour. The best result though would be a UKIP government that is more likely to be fair to all. Inform Al

7:35pm Sat 21 Dec 13

thesouth says...

Dusty wrote:
billyboy21 wrote:
One more excuse for the bin men not to do their jobs....when will this council get on with what is important in this county i.e homelessness,disable


d people,crime etc..........big brother is watching !!!!!!
Bin men do not make the policies, but they are the first one you pick on when your councillor enforces these rules, not just you but the bin man who has to do it. All a bin man wants to do is do his job and go home, like everyone else. He does not want to be your political punch bag, that gets payed peanuts for a thankless task. Because he works for a council means he is lazy. I bet most of you could not drag a couple of thousand bins in a day, while walking a whole shift, but the bin man is lazy?

Just ignorant comments from ignorant people
So why do our bin men literally chuck our bins on the pavement once they empty them? ... That's their doing, not what they have been told to do. If I went to work and did a file and afterwards just chucked it all over the office, I would expect to be had words with!! Why do they get away with it?
[quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billyboy21[/bold] wrote: One more excuse for the bin men not to do their jobs....when will this council get on with what is important in this county i.e homelessness,disable d people,crime etc..........big brother is watching !!!!!![/p][/quote]Bin men do not make the policies, but they are the first one you pick on when your councillor enforces these rules, not just you but the bin man who has to do it. All a bin man wants to do is do his job and go home, like everyone else. He does not want to be your political punch bag, that gets payed peanuts for a thankless task. Because he works for a council means he is lazy. I bet most of you could not drag a couple of thousand bins in a day, while walking a whole shift, but the bin man is lazy? Just ignorant comments from ignorant people[/p][/quote]So why do our bin men literally chuck our bins on the pavement once they empty them? ... That's their doing, not what they have been told to do. If I went to work and did a file and afterwards just chucked it all over the office, I would expect to be had words with!! Why do they get away with it? thesouth

7:42pm Sat 21 Dec 13

100%HANTSBOY says...

Dusty wrote:
billyboy21 wrote:
One more excuse for the bin men not to do their jobs....when will this council get on with what is important in this county i.e homelessness,disable


d people,crime etc..........big brother is watching !!!!!!
Bin men do not make the policies, but they are the first one you pick on when your councillor enforces these rules, not just you but the bin man who has to do it. All a bin man wants to do is do his job and go home, like everyone else. He does not want to be your political punch bag, that gets payed peanuts for a thankless task. Because he works for a council means he is lazy. I bet most of you could not drag a couple of thousand bins in a day, while walking a whole shift, but the bin man is lazy?

Just ignorant comments from ignorant people
If it's true that the Binmen are on "Job and Knock" as suggested in previous posts I would get them sweeping streets for the remainder of their paid shift......perhaps if threatened with this,they would take more time and care in what they do,and maybe,just maybe I would get my wheelie bin returned to my house,instead of having to walk up and down the street searching for it (the bins are clearly numbered) and any loose rubbish that spills accidently from the bins being emptied,would be cleared up....just a thought!
Queue the thumbs down!!
[quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billyboy21[/bold] wrote: One more excuse for the bin men not to do their jobs....when will this council get on with what is important in this county i.e homelessness,disable d people,crime etc..........big brother is watching !!!!!![/p][/quote]Bin men do not make the policies, but they are the first one you pick on when your councillor enforces these rules, not just you but the bin man who has to do it. All a bin man wants to do is do his job and go home, like everyone else. He does not want to be your political punch bag, that gets payed peanuts for a thankless task. Because he works for a council means he is lazy. I bet most of you could not drag a couple of thousand bins in a day, while walking a whole shift, but the bin man is lazy? Just ignorant comments from ignorant people[/p][/quote]If it's true that the Binmen are on "Job and Knock" as suggested in previous posts I would get them sweeping streets for the remainder of their paid shift......perhaps if threatened with this,they would take more time and care in what they do,and maybe,just maybe I would get my wheelie bin returned to my house,instead of having to walk up and down the street searching for it (the bins are clearly numbered) and any loose rubbish that spills accidently from the bins being emptied,would be cleared up....just a thought! Queue the thumbs down!! 100%HANTSBOY

7:45pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Inform Al says...

Dusty wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Dusty wrote:
beatrixkitto wrote:
SCC binmen are the only council employees that can go home, when they have finished their rounds but are paid for a full day. They usually finish by 11.30am and are at home or in the pub. Of course this will be denied. But it is an unofficial rule for the binmen.
Task and finish is a ruse, with it the council get more work done as people work faster to finish. Get rid of that and you will find rounds taking longer, as rules and breaks will be taken and that will mean more rounds having to be made up. Costing you more in council tax. I do not work for SCC, but i am a bin man and we wanted task and finish gone, but the council seemed not to want to do that.

Once again ignorant comments from ignorant people that do not know the job. Love to see you lot do it, i seen many agency staff last half a day because they could not physically do the job. As for comments about bin men of old with a bin on their back. How many of them had back related heath problems? You ok with that people, as long as your rubbish is collected im alright Jack. Not to mention in them days there was no where near the properties there is now.
The real point of my earlier comment about binmen lifting bins in the past was the bit about them coming through to the backyard to collect and return the bins. They will not even come into the front garden now to collect an easily available wheelie bin. It has to be left out on the pathway, often obstructing parents with push chairs.
Not to mention people with poor eyesight, the bins must be a nightmare for them to negotiate.
I gave you the reason why they dont come in. Why dont you all try and become councillors and make up your own policies, Be prepared to pay for it out of the budget you dont have
If we had a Tory government and a Tory council we would be properly financed, same would go for Labour and Labour. The best result though would be a UKIP government that is more likely to be fair to all.
[quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]beatrixkitto[/bold] wrote: SCC binmen are the only council employees that can go home, when they have finished their rounds but are paid for a full day. They usually finish by 11.30am and are at home or in the pub. Of course this will be denied. But it is an unofficial rule for the binmen.[/p][/quote]Task and finish is a ruse, with it the council get more work done as people work faster to finish. Get rid of that and you will find rounds taking longer, as rules and breaks will be taken and that will mean more rounds having to be made up. Costing you more in council tax. I do not work for SCC, but i am a bin man and we wanted task and finish gone, but the council seemed not to want to do that. Once again ignorant comments from ignorant people that do not know the job. Love to see you lot do it, i seen many agency staff last half a day because they could not physically do the job. As for comments about bin men of old with a bin on their back. How many of them had back related heath problems? You ok with that people, as long as your rubbish is collected im alright Jack. Not to mention in them days there was no where near the properties there is now.[/p][/quote]The real point of my earlier comment about binmen lifting bins in the past was the bit about them coming through to the backyard to collect and return the bins. They will not even come into the front garden now to collect an easily available wheelie bin. It has to be left out on the pathway, often obstructing parents with push chairs.[/p][/quote]Not to mention people with poor eyesight, the bins must be a nightmare for them to negotiate.[/p][/quote]I gave you the reason why they dont come in. Why dont you all try and become councillors and make up your own policies, Be prepared to pay for it out of the budget you dont have[/p][/quote]If we had a Tory government and a Tory council we would be properly financed, same would go for Labour and Labour. The best result though would be a UKIP government that is more likely to be fair to all. Inform Al

7:49pm Sat 21 Dec 13

Dusty says...

Why not ask them, why vent it on here where you hide behind your monitor?

If you feel they are not doing there job right complain to them, if you feel you do not get redress complain to their boss. Fed up with people who use bin men as their punch bag for council policies, we are affected all the time by goal posts changing all the time too. Fed up front line staff treated like dirt from people like you and councillors that make us enforce these policies, only for us to get the flak and people nit picking about bins not put back. Please.

I hate my job TBH,because every few years my conditions change, goal posts moved all for political reasons. I just want to do my job and go home. If i knew it was going to be like this i would never of bothered. Alas i have a pension, well if you call it that, my gold plated pension of 7k a year for 32 years service. If i leave now i lose it. So i am tied in. Wish i got my self an education, but at least i am not a benefit scrounger, hey ho.
Why not ask them, why vent it on here where you hide behind your monitor? If you feel they are not doing there job right complain to them, if you feel you do not get redress complain to their boss. Fed up with people who use bin men as their punch bag for council policies, we are affected all the time by goal posts changing all the time too. Fed up front line staff treated like dirt from people like you and councillors that make us enforce these policies, only for us to get the flak and people nit picking about bins not put back. Please. I hate my job TBH,because every few years my conditions change, goal posts moved all for political reasons. I just want to do my job and go home. If i knew it was going to be like this i would never of bothered. Alas i have a pension, well if you call it that, my gold plated pension of 7k a year for 32 years service. If i leave now i lose it. So i am tied in. Wish i got my self an education, but at least i am not a benefit scrounger, hey ho. Dusty

8:00pm Sat 21 Dec 13

100%HANTSBOY says...

Brock_and_Roll wrote:
Readers might be interested to know of an equally but opposite farcical situation nearby in New Forest District.

In the New Forest we have wheelie bins but on collection day the black bags have to be taken OUT of the bins and left by the side - exactly the opposite of Southampton. Any bags left in the bins will not be collected. Apparently the councils trucks do not have the necessary wheelie bin lifting accessories and for "elf & safety" reasons, binmen are not allowed to lift bags out of the bins. So overnight just about every fox, badger, crow, cat, dog and rat has an absolute banquet and a big mess is left - and of course the binmen refuse to pick up split bags!
Would it not be possible to put your bins out in the morning?,would avoid the local wildlife having their midnight bin raids!
[quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: Readers might be interested to know of an equally but opposite farcical situation nearby in New Forest District. In the New Forest we have wheelie bins but on collection day the black bags have to be taken OUT of the bins and left by the side - exactly the opposite of Southampton. Any bags left in the bins will not be collected. Apparently the councils trucks do not have the necessary wheelie bin lifting accessories and for "elf & safety" reasons, binmen [aka refuse operatives] are not allowed to lift bags out of the bins. So overnight just about every fox, badger, crow, cat, dog and rat has an absolute banquet and a big mess is left - and of course the binmen refuse to pick up split bags![/p][/quote]Would it not be possible to put your bins out in the morning?,would avoid the local wildlife having their midnight bin raids! 100%HANTSBOY

8:18pm Sat 21 Dec 13

voiceof thepeople says...

come to my house to educate me on what I should or should not put in my bin and I will kick your arse all the way up the street .
come to my house to educate me on what I should or should not put in my bin and I will kick your arse all the way up the street . voiceof thepeople

8:30pm Sat 21 Dec 13

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

03alpe01 wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
communal bonfires soon.
until a bonfire tax is imposed!
yes ,the idea must have passed their minds ,on second thoughts maybe not.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: communal bonfires soon.[/p][/quote]until a bonfire tax is imposed![/p][/quote]yes ,the idea must have passed their minds ,on second thoughts maybe not. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.

8:33pm Sat 21 Dec 13

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Saintly Sam wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....
so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?
Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?[/p][/quote]Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....[/p][/quote]so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?[/p][/quote]Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it. thinklikealocal

8:40pm Sat 21 Dec 13

IronLady2010 says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Saintly Sam wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....
so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?
Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.
As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that!
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?[/p][/quote]Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....[/p][/quote]so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?[/p][/quote]Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.[/p][/quote]As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that! IronLady2010

8:40pm Sat 21 Dec 13

vpharm says...

this means FLYTIPPING will increase.
The council are crazy!
This will encourage neighbours to dump rubbish in other people bins!
Why cant we have an incinerator & burn the rubbish & generate CHEAP electricity instead?
this means FLYTIPPING will increase. The council are crazy! This will encourage neighbours to dump rubbish in other people bins! Why cant we have an incinerator & burn the rubbish & generate CHEAP electricity instead? vpharm

9:07pm Sat 21 Dec 13

SotonGreen says...

I am afraid for once Jeremy Moulton has this exactly right. If I need to leave a couple of extra bags of rubbish one week and a bin half empty the next due to when I produce waste I ought to be able too. That is exactly what I pay my taxes for.
I am afraid for once Jeremy Moulton has this exactly right. If I need to leave a couple of extra bags of rubbish one week and a bin half empty the next due to when I produce waste I ought to be able too. That is exactly what I pay my taxes for. SotonGreen

9:19pm Sat 21 Dec 13

thinklikealocal says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Saintly Sam wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....
so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?
Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.
As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that!
I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?[/p][/quote]Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....[/p][/quote]so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?[/p][/quote]Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.[/p][/quote]As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that![/p][/quote]I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy. thinklikealocal

9:22pm Sat 21 Dec 13

loosehead says...

Dusty wrote:
Why not ask them, why vent it on here where you hide behind your monitor?

If you feel they are not doing there job right complain to them, if you feel you do not get redress complain to their boss. Fed up with people who use bin men as their punch bag for council policies, we are affected all the time by goal posts changing all the time too. Fed up front line staff treated like dirt from people like you and councillors that make us enforce these policies, only for us to get the flak and people nit picking about bins not put back. Please.

I hate my job TBH,because every few years my conditions change, goal posts moved all for political reasons. I just want to do my job and go home. If i knew it was going to be like this i would never of bothered. Alas i have a pension, well if you call it that, my gold plated pension of 7k a year for 32 years service. If i leave now i lose it. So i am tied in. Wish i got my self an education, but at least i am not a benefit scrounger, hey ho.
Dusty under the Tories the permanent crews went up I know because I applied for a job.
If this council had not gotten the grant originally applied for by the Tories refuse collectors would have been cut as they wouldn't need so many for fortnightly collections would they?
when you were all on strike that is a minority of the council work force did they tell you they wanted fortnightly collections?
did they tell you your redundancy & pension pay would be reduced? did they tell you the cuts in jobs & services they were going to make to pay people on £40-60,000 full pay & a yearly pay increase?
[quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: Why not ask them, why vent it on here where you hide behind your monitor? If you feel they are not doing there job right complain to them, if you feel you do not get redress complain to their boss. Fed up with people who use bin men as their punch bag for council policies, we are affected all the time by goal posts changing all the time too. Fed up front line staff treated like dirt from people like you and councillors that make us enforce these policies, only for us to get the flak and people nit picking about bins not put back. Please. I hate my job TBH,because every few years my conditions change, goal posts moved all for political reasons. I just want to do my job and go home. If i knew it was going to be like this i would never of bothered. Alas i have a pension, well if you call it that, my gold plated pension of 7k a year for 32 years service. If i leave now i lose it. So i am tied in. Wish i got my self an education, but at least i am not a benefit scrounger, hey ho.[/p][/quote]Dusty under the Tories the permanent crews went up I know because I applied for a job. If this council had not gotten the grant originally applied for by the Tories refuse collectors would have been cut as they wouldn't need so many for fortnightly collections would they? when you were all on strike that is a minority of the council work force did they tell you they wanted fortnightly collections? did they tell you your redundancy & pension pay would be reduced? did they tell you the cuts in jobs & services they were going to make to pay people on £40-60,000 full pay & a yearly pay increase? loosehead

9:30pm Sat 21 Dec 13

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Saintly Sam wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....
so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?
Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.
As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that!
I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.
Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant?
TORIES that's who!
So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct?
I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds .
You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you?
Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it?
But then actually putting that article into practice?
That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?[/p][/quote]Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....[/p][/quote]so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?[/p][/quote]Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.[/p][/quote]As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that![/p][/quote]I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.[/p][/quote]Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them loosehead

9:32pm Sat 21 Dec 13

loosehead says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Saintly Sam wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....
so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?
Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.
As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that!
Ironlady you've witnessed all the attacks on me so for this lady to use my defence against me is a joke & thank You MERRY CHRISTMAS & A HAPPY NEW YEAR
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?[/p][/quote]Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....[/p][/quote]so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?[/p][/quote]Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.[/p][/quote]As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that![/p][/quote]Ironlady you've witnessed all the attacks on me so for this lady to use my defence against me is a joke & thank You MERRY CHRISTMAS & A HAPPY NEW YEAR loosehead

9:33pm Sat 21 Dec 13

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Saintly Sam wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....
so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?
Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.
As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that!
I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.
Maybe You'll find a reason to attack me on this but here goes! MERRY CHRISTMAS & A HAPPY NEW YEAR
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?[/p][/quote]Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....[/p][/quote]so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?[/p][/quote]Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.[/p][/quote]As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that![/p][/quote]I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.[/p][/quote]Maybe You'll find a reason to attack me on this but here goes! MERRY CHRISTMAS & A HAPPY NEW YEAR loosehead

10:30pm Sat 21 Dec 13

johnm says...

The British people are are quite stupid when it comes to recycling. Having lived and worked Belgium and Tne Netherlands you put your food waste in one bin and everything else in the recylable bin. there are machines available to sort all recycalables, If Europe can recycle plastic food trays etc why can't we?
The British people are are quite stupid when it comes to recycling. Having lived and worked Belgium and Tne Netherlands you put your food waste in one bin and everything else in the recylable bin. there are machines available to sort all recycalables, If Europe can recycle plastic food trays etc why can't we? johnm

12:14am Sun 22 Dec 13

bobbyboy says...

Dusty wrote:
Why not ask them, why vent it on here where you hide behind your monitor?

If you feel they are not doing there job right complain to them, if you feel you do not get redress complain to their boss. Fed up with people who use bin men as their punch bag for council policies, we are affected all the time by goal posts changing all the time too. Fed up front line staff treated like dirt from people like you and councillors that make us enforce these policies, only for us to get the flak and people nit picking about bins not put back. Please.

I hate my job TBH,because every few years my conditions change, goal posts moved all for political reasons. I just want to do my job and go home. If i knew it was going to be like this i would never of bothered. Alas i have a pension, well if you call it that, my gold plated pension of 7k a year for 32 years service. If i leave now i lose it. So i am tied in. Wish i got my self an education, but at least i am not a benefit scrounger, hey ho.
I did speak to our bin men for not putting the bin back where they found it he just strugged his shoulders spoke in Polish or other and went on doing exactly the same house after house i spoke to the other and he said they didnt have the time to mamby pamby about, so stop trying to blame the residents when they are correct in what they are complaining about my bin has the house number on it i live in an open planned estate all they need to do is put it back on the grass of my HOUSE and not scattered along the pavement dont you realise or the binmen that if someone trips becuase of my bin in this compensation payanyas time its me who is liable for there lack of care.
[quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: Why not ask them, why vent it on here where you hide behind your monitor? If you feel they are not doing there job right complain to them, if you feel you do not get redress complain to their boss. Fed up with people who use bin men as their punch bag for council policies, we are affected all the time by goal posts changing all the time too. Fed up front line staff treated like dirt from people like you and councillors that make us enforce these policies, only for us to get the flak and people nit picking about bins not put back. Please. I hate my job TBH,because every few years my conditions change, goal posts moved all for political reasons. I just want to do my job and go home. If i knew it was going to be like this i would never of bothered. Alas i have a pension, well if you call it that, my gold plated pension of 7k a year for 32 years service. If i leave now i lose it. So i am tied in. Wish i got my self an education, but at least i am not a benefit scrounger, hey ho.[/p][/quote]I did speak to our bin men for not putting the bin back where they found it he just strugged his shoulders spoke in Polish or other and went on doing exactly the same house after house i spoke to the other and he said they didnt have the time to mamby pamby about, so stop trying to blame the residents when they are correct in what they are complaining about my bin has the house number on it i live in an open planned estate all they need to do is put it back on the grass of my HOUSE and not scattered along the pavement dont you realise or the binmen that if someone trips becuase of my bin in this compensation payanyas time its me who is liable for there lack of care. bobbyboy

12:17am Sun 22 Dec 13

bobbyboy says...

bobbyboy wrote:
Dusty wrote:
Why not ask them, why vent it on here where you hide behind your monitor?

If you feel they are not doing there job right complain to them, if you feel you do not get redress complain to their boss. Fed up with people who use bin men as their punch bag for council policies, we are affected all the time by goal posts changing all the time too. Fed up front line staff treated like dirt from people like you and councillors that make us enforce these policies, only for us to get the flak and people nit picking about bins not put back. Please.

I hate my job TBH,because every few years my conditions change, goal posts moved all for political reasons. I just want to do my job and go home. If i knew it was going to be like this i would never of bothered. Alas i have a pension, well if you call it that, my gold plated pension of 7k a year for 32 years service. If i leave now i lose it. So i am tied in. Wish i got my self an education, but at least i am not a benefit scrounger, hey ho.
I did speak to our bin men for not putting the bin back where they found it he just strugged his shoulders spoke in Polish or other and went on doing exactly the same house after house i spoke to the other and he said they didnt have the time to mamby pamby about, so stop trying to blame the residents when they are correct in what they are complaining about my bin has the house number on it i live in an open planned estate all they need to do is put it back on the grass of my HOUSE and not scattered along the pavement dont you realise or the binmen that if someone trips becuase of my bin in this compensation payanyas time its me who is liable for there lack of care.
By The way the Labour Council got £6m for green waste collections thats the sum that has gone missing any ideas or was it for wages??
[quote][p][bold]bobbyboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: Why not ask them, why vent it on here where you hide behind your monitor? If you feel they are not doing there job right complain to them, if you feel you do not get redress complain to their boss. Fed up with people who use bin men as their punch bag for council policies, we are affected all the time by goal posts changing all the time too. Fed up front line staff treated like dirt from people like you and councillors that make us enforce these policies, only for us to get the flak and people nit picking about bins not put back. Please. I hate my job TBH,because every few years my conditions change, goal posts moved all for political reasons. I just want to do my job and go home. If i knew it was going to be like this i would never of bothered. Alas i have a pension, well if you call it that, my gold plated pension of 7k a year for 32 years service. If i leave now i lose it. So i am tied in. Wish i got my self an education, but at least i am not a benefit scrounger, hey ho.[/p][/quote]I did speak to our bin men for not putting the bin back where they found it he just strugged his shoulders spoke in Polish or other and went on doing exactly the same house after house i spoke to the other and he said they didnt have the time to mamby pamby about, so stop trying to blame the residents when they are correct in what they are complaining about my bin has the house number on it i live in an open planned estate all they need to do is put it back on the grass of my HOUSE and not scattered along the pavement dont you realise or the binmen that if someone trips becuase of my bin in this compensation payanyas time its me who is liable for there lack of care.[/p][/quote]By The way the Labour Council got £6m for green waste collections thats the sum that has gone missing any ideas or was it for wages?? bobbyboy

1:26am Sun 22 Dec 13

IronLady2010 says...

bobbyboy wrote:
Dusty wrote:
Why not ask them, why vent it on here where you hide behind your monitor?

If you feel they are not doing there job right complain to them, if you feel you do not get redress complain to their boss. Fed up with people who use bin men as their punch bag for council policies, we are affected all the time by goal posts changing all the time too. Fed up front line staff treated like dirt from people like you and councillors that make us enforce these policies, only for us to get the flak and people nit picking about bins not put back. Please.

I hate my job TBH,because every few years my conditions change, goal posts moved all for political reasons. I just want to do my job and go home. If i knew it was going to be like this i would never of bothered. Alas i have a pension, well if you call it that, my gold plated pension of 7k a year for 32 years service. If i leave now i lose it. So i am tied in. Wish i got my self an education, but at least i am not a benefit scrounger, hey ho.
I did speak to our bin men for not putting the bin back where they found it he just strugged his shoulders spoke in Polish or other and went on doing exactly the same house after house i spoke to the other and he said they didnt have the time to mamby pamby about, so stop trying to blame the residents when they are correct in what they are complaining about my bin has the house number on it i live in an open planned estate all they need to do is put it back on the grass of my HOUSE and not scattered along the pavement dont you realise or the binmen that if someone trips becuase of my bin in this compensation payanyas time its me who is liable for there lack of care.
Dusty, I know you do a job many hate and for that we're grateful. It's the small things that anger us and it's not always your issue.

Things like leaving our bins half way down the road when they've been left in good faith in the right place. To be honest with you it's the recycling guys who are the stubborn ones. Sometimes I'm away and can't put my bin out. The regular guys will walk up the drive and collect the bin, but not recycling.
[quote][p][bold]bobbyboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: Why not ask them, why vent it on here where you hide behind your monitor? If you feel they are not doing there job right complain to them, if you feel you do not get redress complain to their boss. Fed up with people who use bin men as their punch bag for council policies, we are affected all the time by goal posts changing all the time too. Fed up front line staff treated like dirt from people like you and councillors that make us enforce these policies, only for us to get the flak and people nit picking about bins not put back. Please. I hate my job TBH,because every few years my conditions change, goal posts moved all for political reasons. I just want to do my job and go home. If i knew it was going to be like this i would never of bothered. Alas i have a pension, well if you call it that, my gold plated pension of 7k a year for 32 years service. If i leave now i lose it. So i am tied in. Wish i got my self an education, but at least i am not a benefit scrounger, hey ho.[/p][/quote]I did speak to our bin men for not putting the bin back where they found it he just strugged his shoulders spoke in Polish or other and went on doing exactly the same house after house i spoke to the other and he said they didnt have the time to mamby pamby about, so stop trying to blame the residents when they are correct in what they are complaining about my bin has the house number on it i live in an open planned estate all they need to do is put it back on the grass of my HOUSE and not scattered along the pavement dont you realise or the binmen that if someone trips becuase of my bin in this compensation payanyas time its me who is liable for there lack of care.[/p][/quote]Dusty, I know you do a job many hate and for that we're grateful. It's the small things that anger us and it's not always your issue. Things like leaving our bins half way down the road when they've been left in good faith in the right place. To be honest with you it's the recycling guys who are the stubborn ones. Sometimes I'm away and can't put my bin out. The regular guys will walk up the drive and collect the bin, but not recycling. IronLady2010

1:30am Sun 22 Dec 13

robj1969 says...

Cllr Jacqui Rayment in charge of roads and environment.....come on folks, vote her out at the next local election
Cllr Jacqui Rayment in charge of roads and environment.....come on folks, vote her out at the next local election robj1969

4:50am Sun 22 Dec 13

skeptik says...

The directorate has decreed. Leaving bins to fester on the streets - bright beggars these council types. Why one might ask does Southampton bother with 'green credentials' when the bridge across the river slows traffic to a five mile crawl belching air pollution by the ton. Green with profits? How very selective.
The directorate has decreed. Leaving bins to fester on the streets - bright beggars these council types. Why one might ask does Southampton bother with 'green credentials' when the bridge across the river slows traffic to a five mile crawl belching air pollution by the ton. Green with profits? How very selective. skeptik

8:10am Sun 22 Dec 13

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Saintly Sam wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....
so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?
Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.
As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that!
I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.
Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them
Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?[/p][/quote]Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....[/p][/quote]so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?[/p][/quote]Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.[/p][/quote]As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that![/p][/quote]I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.[/p][/quote]Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them[/p][/quote]Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening. thinklikealocal

8:19am Sun 22 Dec 13

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
Dusty wrote: Why not ask them, why vent it on here where you hide behind your monitor? If you feel they are not doing there job right complain to them, if you feel you do not get redress complain to their boss. Fed up with people who use bin men as their punch bag for council policies, we are affected all the time by goal posts changing all the time too. Fed up front line staff treated like dirt from people like you and councillors that make us enforce these policies, only for us to get the flak and people nit picking about bins not put back. Please. I hate my job TBH,because every few years my conditions change, goal posts moved all for political reasons. I just want to do my job and go home. If i knew it was going to be like this i would never of bothered. Alas i have a pension, well if you call it that, my gold plated pension of 7k a year for 32 years service. If i leave now i lose it. So i am tied in. Wish i got my self an education, but at least i am not a benefit scrounger, hey ho.
Dusty under the Tories the permanent crews went up I know because I applied for a job. If this council had not gotten the grant originally applied for by the Tories refuse collectors would have been cut as they wouldn't need so many for fortnightly collections would they? when you were all on strike that is a minority of the council work force did they tell you they wanted fortnightly collections? did they tell you your redundancy & pension pay would be reduced? did they tell you the cuts in jobs & services they were going to make to pay people on £40-60,000 full pay & a yearly pay increase?
Ok, here goes an attempt to correct yet more wrong information.
Moving from fortnightly to weekly collections - no redundancies required due to the number of temporary staff employed.
The Tories changed the pay and redundancy package.
The highest paid staff have not had any pay restored. The story the Echo printed recently was completely wrong! The Council and Unions had to print 'corrections'. In fact, they did a LH. Took a bit of information they didn't understand and got there facts completely wrong!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: Why not ask them, why vent it on here where you hide behind your monitor? If you feel they are not doing there job right complain to them, if you feel you do not get redress complain to their boss. Fed up with people who use bin men as their punch bag for council policies, we are affected all the time by goal posts changing all the time too. Fed up front line staff treated like dirt from people like you and councillors that make us enforce these policies, only for us to get the flak and people nit picking about bins not put back. Please. I hate my job TBH,because every few years my conditions change, goal posts moved all for political reasons. I just want to do my job and go home. If i knew it was going to be like this i would never of bothered. Alas i have a pension, well if you call it that, my gold plated pension of 7k a year for 32 years service. If i leave now i lose it. So i am tied in. Wish i got my self an education, but at least i am not a benefit scrounger, hey ho.[/p][/quote]Dusty under the Tories the permanent crews went up I know because I applied for a job. If this council had not gotten the grant originally applied for by the Tories refuse collectors would have been cut as they wouldn't need so many for fortnightly collections would they? when you were all on strike that is a minority of the council work force did they tell you they wanted fortnightly collections? did they tell you your redundancy & pension pay would be reduced? did they tell you the cuts in jobs & services they were going to make to pay people on £40-60,000 full pay & a yearly pay increase?[/p][/quote]Ok, here goes an attempt to correct yet more wrong information. Moving from fortnightly to weekly collections - no redundancies required due to the number of temporary staff employed. The Tories changed the pay and redundancy package. The highest paid staff have not had any pay restored. The story the Echo printed recently was completely wrong! The Council and Unions had to print 'corrections'. In fact, they did a LH. Took a bit of information they didn't understand and got there facts completely wrong! thinklikealocal

8:23am Sun 22 Dec 13

thinklikealocal says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Saintly Sam wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....
so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?
Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.
As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that!
I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.
Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them
Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.
Ps. I called you a racist because you made a racist comment. Having a 'foreign' wife and friends from ethnic minorities does not alter that fact. That was a long time ago. Any attempt by you to link that to your recent behaviour is totally disingenuous.
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?[/p][/quote]Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....[/p][/quote]so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?[/p][/quote]Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.[/p][/quote]As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that![/p][/quote]I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.[/p][/quote]Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them[/p][/quote]Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.[/p][/quote]Ps. I called you a racist because you made a racist comment. Having a 'foreign' wife and friends from ethnic minorities does not alter that fact. That was a long time ago. Any attempt by you to link that to your recent behaviour is totally disingenuous. thinklikealocal

11:25am Sun 22 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

StevenGalton wrote:
Ah Lone Ranger - Labour Councillor, Activist, Supporter or Sympathiser?
- how about some honesty and transparency on who you really are!

Another fact - regardless of the potential outcome of the government bid Labour had promised in the run up to 2012 local elections to KEEP A WEEKLY BIN COLLECTION - In Autumn 2012, just mere months after winning control of the city the Labour Group were happy to break this promise and bring in fortnightly collections - something the Conservative group NEVER DID - Conservatives protected weekly bin collections, provided free greenwaste collections and instigated bringing in a kerbside glass collection - on top of always sticking to the promises made to the electorate...

Can anyone explain why it has taken so long to actually start collecting the glass and why Labour reneged on their promise to maintain a free greenwaste collection once government provided the funding to do exactly this?
Ahhh Mr Galton ..... what an interesting post.
.
Your attemptempt to put a label on me failed quite miserably as i do not fall into any of those catagories ........ And you have the brass neck to talk about honesty.
.
But let me label you with more accuracy ..... Wannabee Tory Councillor ... ......... Tory mouthpiece on Biomass ........ Deliberately avoid Sulphur Plant as it may and does compromise your leader and deputy ....... And a liar.
.....
All that aside ...... perhaps you can answer the question that i posed to you in the first place instead of trying to side step the issue ... again
.
Didnt your Tory Council propose to charge for "Green Waste" collections ...
[quote][p][bold]StevenGalton[/bold] wrote: Ah Lone Ranger - Labour Councillor, Activist, Supporter or Sympathiser? - how about some honesty and transparency on who you really are! Another fact - regardless of the potential outcome of the government bid Labour had promised in the run up to 2012 local elections to KEEP A WEEKLY BIN COLLECTION - In Autumn 2012, just mere months after winning control of the city the Labour Group were happy to break this promise and bring in fortnightly collections - something the Conservative group NEVER DID - Conservatives protected weekly bin collections, provided free greenwaste collections and instigated bringing in a kerbside glass collection - on top of always sticking to the promises made to the electorate... Can anyone explain why it has taken so long to actually start collecting the glass and why Labour reneged on their promise to maintain a free greenwaste collection once government provided the funding to do exactly this?[/p][/quote]Ahhh Mr Galton ..... what an interesting post. . Your attemptempt to put a label on me failed quite miserably as i do not fall into any of those catagories ........ And you have the brass neck to talk about honesty. . But let me label you with more accuracy ..... Wannabee Tory Councillor ... ......... Tory mouthpiece on Biomass ........ Deliberately avoid Sulphur Plant as it may and does compromise your leader and deputy ....... And a liar. ..... All that aside ...... perhaps you can answer the question that i posed to you in the first place instead of trying to side step the issue ... again . Didnt your Tory Council propose to charge for "Green Waste" collections ... Lone Ranger.

11:32am Sun 22 Dec 13

Hercules Grytpype-Thynne says...

Jump on the number 2 Blue Star bus and travel from Bevois Valley to Swaythling and you will see the most litter strewn streets imaginable.

The citizens of Southampton are a bunch of uncaring litter louts.

Stop blaming the council and clear up the rubbish outside your house and in your garden. That would make a difference rather than scoring stupid political points on here and bickering.
Jump on the number 2 Blue Star bus and travel from Bevois Valley to Swaythling and you will see the most litter strewn streets imaginable. The citizens of Southampton are a bunch of uncaring litter louts. Stop blaming the council and clear up the rubbish outside your house and in your garden. That would make a difference rather than scoring stupid political points on here and bickering. Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

1:34pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Inform Al says...

Hercules Grytpype-Thynne wrote:
Jump on the number 2 Blue Star bus and travel from Bevois Valley to Swaythling and you will see the most litter strewn streets imaginable.

The citizens of Southampton are a bunch of uncaring litter louts.

Stop blaming the council and clear up the rubbish outside your house and in your garden. That would make a difference rather than scoring stupid political points on here and bickering.
Student properties mainly, they are the ones with the wheelie bins out on the pavement 24/7
[quote][p][bold]Hercules Grytpype-Thynne[/bold] wrote: Jump on the number 2 Blue Star bus and travel from Bevois Valley to Swaythling and you will see the most litter strewn streets imaginable. The citizens of Southampton are a bunch of uncaring litter louts. Stop blaming the council and clear up the rubbish outside your house and in your garden. That would make a difference rather than scoring stupid political points on here and bickering.[/p][/quote]Student properties mainly, they are the ones with the wheelie bins out on the pavement 24/7 Inform Al

3:16pm Sun 22 Dec 13

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Dusty wrote: Why not ask them, why vent it on here where you hide behind your monitor? If you feel they are not doing there job right complain to them, if you feel you do not get redress complain to their boss. Fed up with people who use bin men as their punch bag for council policies, we are affected all the time by goal posts changing all the time too. Fed up front line staff treated like dirt from people like you and councillors that make us enforce these policies, only for us to get the flak and people nit picking about bins not put back. Please. I hate my job TBH,because every few years my conditions change, goal posts moved all for political reasons. I just want to do my job and go home. If i knew it was going to be like this i would never of bothered. Alas i have a pension, well if you call it that, my gold plated pension of 7k a year for 32 years service. If i leave now i lose it. So i am tied in. Wish i got my self an education, but at least i am not a benefit scrounger, hey ho.
Dusty under the Tories the permanent crews went up I know because I applied for a job. If this council had not gotten the grant originally applied for by the Tories refuse collectors would have been cut as they wouldn't need so many for fortnightly collections would they? when you were all on strike that is a minority of the council work force did they tell you they wanted fortnightly collections? did they tell you your redundancy & pension pay would be reduced? did they tell you the cuts in jobs & services they were going to make to pay people on £40-60,000 full pay & a yearly pay increase?
Ok, here goes an attempt to correct yet more wrong information.
Moving from fortnightly to weekly collections - no redundancies required due to the number of temporary staff employed.
The Tories changed the pay and redundancy package.
The highest paid staff have not had any pay restored. The story the Echo printed recently was completely wrong! The Council and Unions had to print 'corrections'. In fact, they did a LH. Took a bit of information they didn't understand and got there facts completely wrong!
Sorry but I remember you & Southy going on about how the Tories got rid of all the Temps so exactly what temps would have gone if Fortnightly collections were bought in?
It was your own Labour council that said 1-10 refuse collectors would lose their jobs if fortnightly collections were bought in so really I think you should check your information as I know that I'm right so that makes you out to be wrong?
funny how with 5months to go you want to rewrite the history books in Labours favour are you related to Southy?
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: Why not ask them, why vent it on here where you hide behind your monitor? If you feel they are not doing there job right complain to them, if you feel you do not get redress complain to their boss. Fed up with people who use bin men as their punch bag for council policies, we are affected all the time by goal posts changing all the time too. Fed up front line staff treated like dirt from people like you and councillors that make us enforce these policies, only for us to get the flak and people nit picking about bins not put back. Please. I hate my job TBH,because every few years my conditions change, goal posts moved all for political reasons. I just want to do my job and go home. If i knew it was going to be like this i would never of bothered. Alas i have a pension, well if you call it that, my gold plated pension of 7k a year for 32 years service. If i leave now i lose it. So i am tied in. Wish i got my self an education, but at least i am not a benefit scrounger, hey ho.[/p][/quote]Dusty under the Tories the permanent crews went up I know because I applied for a job. If this council had not gotten the grant originally applied for by the Tories refuse collectors would have been cut as they wouldn't need so many for fortnightly collections would they? when you were all on strike that is a minority of the council work force did they tell you they wanted fortnightly collections? did they tell you your redundancy & pension pay would be reduced? did they tell you the cuts in jobs & services they were going to make to pay people on £40-60,000 full pay & a yearly pay increase?[/p][/quote]Ok, here goes an attempt to correct yet more wrong information. Moving from fortnightly to weekly collections - no redundancies required due to the number of temporary staff employed. The Tories changed the pay and redundancy package. The highest paid staff have not had any pay restored. The story the Echo printed recently was completely wrong! The Council and Unions had to print 'corrections'. In fact, they did a LH. Took a bit of information they didn't understand and got there facts completely wrong![/p][/quote]Sorry but I remember you & Southy going on about how the Tories got rid of all the Temps so exactly what temps would have gone if Fortnightly collections were bought in? It was your own Labour council that said 1-10 refuse collectors would lose their jobs if fortnightly collections were bought in so really I think you should check your information as I know that I'm right so that makes you out to be wrong? funny how with 5months to go you want to rewrite the history books in Labours favour are you related to Southy? loosehead

3:18pm Sun 22 Dec 13

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Saintly Sam wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....
so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?
Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.
As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that!
I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.
Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them
Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.
you actually called for redundancies so you wouldn't take a pay cut didn't you?
What a great comrade/work buddy you are? is it because you knew your job was safe hey Comrade?
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?[/p][/quote]Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....[/p][/quote]so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?[/p][/quote]Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.[/p][/quote]As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that![/p][/quote]I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.[/p][/quote]Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them[/p][/quote]Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.[/p][/quote]you actually called for redundancies so you wouldn't take a pay cut didn't you? What a great comrade/work buddy you are? is it because you knew your job was safe hey Comrade? loosehead

3:20pm Sun 22 Dec 13

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
StevenGalton wrote:
Ah Lone Ranger - Labour Councillor, Activist, Supporter or Sympathiser?
- how about some honesty and transparency on who you really are!

Another fact - regardless of the potential outcome of the government bid Labour had promised in the run up to 2012 local elections to KEEP A WEEKLY BIN COLLECTION - In Autumn 2012, just mere months after winning control of the city the Labour Group were happy to break this promise and bring in fortnightly collections - something the Conservative group NEVER DID - Conservatives protected weekly bin collections, provided free greenwaste collections and instigated bringing in a kerbside glass collection - on top of always sticking to the promises made to the electorate...

Can anyone explain why it has taken so long to actually start collecting the glass and why Labour reneged on their promise to maintain a free greenwaste collection once government provided the funding to do exactly this?
Ahhh Mr Galton ..... what an interesting post.
.
Your attemptempt to put a label on me failed quite miserably as i do not fall into any of those catagories ........ And you have the brass neck to talk about honesty.
.
But let me label you with more accuracy ..... Wannabee Tory Councillor ... ......... Tory mouthpiece on Biomass ........ Deliberately avoid Sulphur Plant as it may and does compromise your leader and deputy ....... And a liar.
.....
All that aside ...... perhaps you can answer the question that i posed to you in the first place instead of trying to side step the issue ... again
.
Didnt your Tory Council propose to charge for "Green Waste" collections ...
again there you go calling some one a liar? have you heard the saying "if the cap fits wear it" try recording what you say & you'll be amazed at the lies & insults you sprout
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevenGalton[/bold] wrote: Ah Lone Ranger - Labour Councillor, Activist, Supporter or Sympathiser? - how about some honesty and transparency on who you really are! Another fact - regardless of the potential outcome of the government bid Labour had promised in the run up to 2012 local elections to KEEP A WEEKLY BIN COLLECTION - In Autumn 2012, just mere months after winning control of the city the Labour Group were happy to break this promise and bring in fortnightly collections - something the Conservative group NEVER DID - Conservatives protected weekly bin collections, provided free greenwaste collections and instigated bringing in a kerbside glass collection - on top of always sticking to the promises made to the electorate... Can anyone explain why it has taken so long to actually start collecting the glass and why Labour reneged on their promise to maintain a free greenwaste collection once government provided the funding to do exactly this?[/p][/quote]Ahhh Mr Galton ..... what an interesting post. . Your attemptempt to put a label on me failed quite miserably as i do not fall into any of those catagories ........ And you have the brass neck to talk about honesty. . But let me label you with more accuracy ..... Wannabee Tory Councillor ... ......... Tory mouthpiece on Biomass ........ Deliberately avoid Sulphur Plant as it may and does compromise your leader and deputy ....... And a liar. ..... All that aside ...... perhaps you can answer the question that i posed to you in the first place instead of trying to side step the issue ... again . Didnt your Tory Council propose to charge for "Green Waste" collections ...[/p][/quote]again there you go calling some one a liar? have you heard the saying "if the cap fits wear it" try recording what you say & you'll be amazed at the lies & insults you sprout loosehead

3:33pm Sun 22 Dec 13

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Saintly Sam wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....
so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?
Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.
As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that!
I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.
Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them
Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.
Ps. I called you a racist because you made a racist comment. Having a 'foreign' wife and friends from ethnic minorities does not alter that fact. That was a long time ago. Any attempt by you to link that to your recent behaviour is totally disingenuous.
Since then I explained to you that post & you still called me a racist & many times you've called me names.
You don't live in this city you don't pay our council tax you don't get your bins collected from our refuse collectors so why are you coming to a councils defence who you never voted for or face the consequences of it's actions?
But you do don't you?
you had your pay restored with jobs lost to pay for it .you are getting a yearly pay rise paid for by people who won't be getting a pay rise but will see their council tax to pay for your rise,
from a council that bleats on about a lower cut in it's budget than the Tories had planned for.
How on earth can this council justify spending millions on restoring pay & giving pay rises whilst cutting jobs & services?
Sorry but you are nothing but a hypocrite!
Please show me written evidence that when British crews were on the cruise ships Noro virus was such a problem? As I've told you my father brothers & cousins all were on them but lost their jobs to low paid foreign workers & since that day this virus seems to be getting worse is it the quality of the crew or is it a new cleaning policy by the cruise ships now if that makes me a racist then so be it
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?[/p][/quote]Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....[/p][/quote]so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?[/p][/quote]Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.[/p][/quote]As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that![/p][/quote]I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.[/p][/quote]Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them[/p][/quote]Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.[/p][/quote]Ps. I called you a racist because you made a racist comment. Having a 'foreign' wife and friends from ethnic minorities does not alter that fact. That was a long time ago. Any attempt by you to link that to your recent behaviour is totally disingenuous.[/p][/quote]Since then I explained to you that post & you still called me a racist & many times you've called me names. You don't live in this city you don't pay our council tax you don't get your bins collected from our refuse collectors so why are you coming to a councils defence who you never voted for or face the consequences of it's actions? But you do don't you? you had your pay restored with jobs lost to pay for it .you are getting a yearly pay rise paid for by people who won't be getting a pay rise but will see their council tax to pay for your rise, from a council that bleats on about a lower cut in it's budget than the Tories had planned for. How on earth can this council justify spending millions on restoring pay & giving pay rises whilst cutting jobs & services? Sorry but you are nothing but a hypocrite! Please show me written evidence that when British crews were on the cruise ships Noro virus was such a problem? As I've told you my father brothers & cousins all were on them but lost their jobs to low paid foreign workers & since that day this virus seems to be getting worse is it the quality of the crew or is it a new cleaning policy by the cruise ships now if that makes me a racist then so be it loosehead

4:32pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Redhaired22 says...

Northamboy wrote:
What is it with Southampton Council? They are useless regardless of what party are in power. Take a leaf out of Farehams book and learn from those that's got it right. Our bin men even pick up rubbish they drop at the back of the lorry! They accidentally left a neighbours bin full by mistake and with just one phone call it was emptied within two hours.

I was born and bred in Southampton but have lived in Fareham for 35 years now and very pleased I do. Southampton Council start working for the people you serve not against them all the time.
I suspect this is because the population of Fareham is 97,504 and Southampton 253,651

Quite a difference, and you cannot compare the two in terms of services....
[quote][p][bold]Northamboy[/bold] wrote: What is it with Southampton Council? They are useless regardless of what party are in power. Take a leaf out of Farehams book and learn from those that's got it right. Our bin men even pick up rubbish they drop at the back of the lorry! They accidentally left a neighbours bin full by mistake and with just one phone call it was emptied within two hours. I was born and bred in Southampton but have lived in Fareham for 35 years now and very pleased I do. Southampton Council start working for the people you serve not against them all the time.[/p][/quote]I suspect this is because the population of Fareham is 97,504 and Southampton 253,651 Quite a difference, and you cannot compare the two in terms of services.... Redhaired22

7:00pm Sun 22 Dec 13

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Saintly Sam wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....
so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?
Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.
As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that!
I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.
Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them
Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.
Ps. I called you a racist because you made a racist comment. Having a 'foreign' wife and friends from ethnic minorities does not alter that fact. That was a long time ago. Any attempt by you to link that to your recent behaviour is totally disingenuous.
Since then I explained to you that post & you still called me a racist & many times you've called me names. You don't live in this city you don't pay our council tax you don't get your bins collected from our refuse collectors so why are you coming to a councils defence who you never voted for or face the consequences of it's actions? But you do don't you? you had your pay restored with jobs lost to pay for it .you are getting a yearly pay rise paid for by people who won't be getting a pay rise but will see their council tax to pay for your rise, from a council that bleats on about a lower cut in it's budget than the Tories had planned for. How on earth can this council justify spending millions on restoring pay & giving pay rises whilst cutting jobs & services? Sorry but you are nothing but a hypocrite! Please show me written evidence that when British crews were on the cruise ships Noro virus was such a problem? As I've told you my father brothers & cousins all were on them but lost their jobs to low paid foreign workers & since that day this virus seems to be getting worse is it the quality of the crew or is it a new cleaning policy by the cruise ships now if that makes me a racist then so be it
Ok. Firstly, no 'pay rises', 'pay restoration', there is a difference. Secondly, why don't you provide some evidence that Novovirus was documented or even existed 30 years ago....
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?[/p][/quote]Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....[/p][/quote]so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?[/p][/quote]Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.[/p][/quote]As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that![/p][/quote]I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.[/p][/quote]Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them[/p][/quote]Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.[/p][/quote]Ps. I called you a racist because you made a racist comment. Having a 'foreign' wife and friends from ethnic minorities does not alter that fact. That was a long time ago. Any attempt by you to link that to your recent behaviour is totally disingenuous.[/p][/quote]Since then I explained to you that post & you still called me a racist & many times you've called me names. You don't live in this city you don't pay our council tax you don't get your bins collected from our refuse collectors so why are you coming to a councils defence who you never voted for or face the consequences of it's actions? But you do don't you? you had your pay restored with jobs lost to pay for it .you are getting a yearly pay rise paid for by people who won't be getting a pay rise but will see their council tax to pay for your rise, from a council that bleats on about a lower cut in it's budget than the Tories had planned for. How on earth can this council justify spending millions on restoring pay & giving pay rises whilst cutting jobs & services? Sorry but you are nothing but a hypocrite! Please show me written evidence that when British crews were on the cruise ships Noro virus was such a problem? As I've told you my father brothers & cousins all were on them but lost their jobs to low paid foreign workers & since that day this virus seems to be getting worse is it the quality of the crew or is it a new cleaning policy by the cruise ships now if that makes me a racist then so be it[/p][/quote]Ok. Firstly, no 'pay rises', 'pay restoration', there is a difference. Secondly, why don't you provide some evidence that Novovirus was documented or even existed 30 years ago.... thinklikealocal

7:01pm Sun 22 Dec 13

dolomiteman says...

What about the large number of households who do not fill their bins up to the brim every week do they get a discount or a letter from the council thanking them.
If this policy is implemented it will lead to people carrying their extra bags down the road and dumping them which will cost the council extra in the long run.
It is also against council policy for refuse collectors to decant one bin into another or just pick out that one bin bag instead of wheeling the bin to the wagon so will that practice also cease, I doubt it but go away for a couple of days and you will get fined because the bin man doesn't put the bin back where he took it from.
What about the large number of households who do not fill their bins up to the brim every week do they get a discount or a letter from the council thanking them. If this policy is implemented it will lead to people carrying their extra bags down the road and dumping them which will cost the council extra in the long run. It is also against council policy for refuse collectors to decant one bin into another or just pick out that one bin bag instead of wheeling the bin to the wagon so will that practice also cease, I doubt it but go away for a couple of days and you will get fined because the bin man doesn't put the bin back where he took it from. dolomiteman

7:06pm Sun 22 Dec 13

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Dusty wrote: Why not ask them, why vent it on here where you hide behind your monitor? If you feel they are not doing there job right complain to them, if you feel you do not get redress complain to their boss. Fed up with people who use bin men as their punch bag for council policies, we are affected all the time by goal posts changing all the time too. Fed up front line staff treated like dirt from people like you and councillors that make us enforce these policies, only for us to get the flak and people nit picking about bins not put back. Please. I hate my job TBH,because every few years my conditions change, goal posts moved all for political reasons. I just want to do my job and go home. If i knew it was going to be like this i would never of bothered. Alas i have a pension, well if you call it that, my gold plated pension of 7k a year for 32 years service. If i leave now i lose it. So i am tied in. Wish i got my self an education, but at least i am not a benefit scrounger, hey ho.
Dusty under the Tories the permanent crews went up I know because I applied for a job. If this council had not gotten the grant originally applied for by the Tories refuse collectors would have been cut as they wouldn't need so many for fortnightly collections would they? when you were all on strike that is a minority of the council work force did they tell you they wanted fortnightly collections? did they tell you your redundancy & pension pay would be reduced? did they tell you the cuts in jobs & services they were going to make to pay people on £40-60,000 full pay & a yearly pay increase?
Ok, here goes an attempt to correct yet more wrong information. Moving from fortnightly to weekly collections - no redundancies required due to the number of temporary staff employed. The Tories changed the pay and redundancy package. The highest paid staff have not had any pay restored. The story the Echo printed recently was completely wrong! The Council and Unions had to print 'corrections'. In fact, they did a LH. Took a bit of information they didn't understand and got there facts completely wrong!
Sorry but I remember you & Southy going on about how the Tories got rid of all the Temps so exactly what temps would have gone if Fortnightly collections were bought in? It was your own Labour council that said 1-10 refuse collectors would lose their jobs if fortnightly collections were bought in so really I think you should check your information as I know that I'm right so that makes you out to be wrong? funny how with 5months to go you want to rewrite the history books in Labours favour are you related to Southy?
Well no, your memory is wrong. My facts are correct, they just don't suit your position....
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dusty[/bold] wrote: Why not ask them, why vent it on here where you hide behind your monitor? If you feel they are not doing there job right complain to them, if you feel you do not get redress complain to their boss. Fed up with people who use bin men as their punch bag for council policies, we are affected all the time by goal posts changing all the time too. Fed up front line staff treated like dirt from people like you and councillors that make us enforce these policies, only for us to get the flak and people nit picking about bins not put back. Please. I hate my job TBH,because every few years my conditions change, goal posts moved all for political reasons. I just want to do my job and go home. If i knew it was going to be like this i would never of bothered. Alas i have a pension, well if you call it that, my gold plated pension of 7k a year for 32 years service. If i leave now i lose it. So i am tied in. Wish i got my self an education, but at least i am not a benefit scrounger, hey ho.[/p][/quote]Dusty under the Tories the permanent crews went up I know because I applied for a job. If this council had not gotten the grant originally applied for by the Tories refuse collectors would have been cut as they wouldn't need so many for fortnightly collections would they? when you were all on strike that is a minority of the council work force did they tell you they wanted fortnightly collections? did they tell you your redundancy & pension pay would be reduced? did they tell you the cuts in jobs & services they were going to make to pay people on £40-60,000 full pay & a yearly pay increase?[/p][/quote]Ok, here goes an attempt to correct yet more wrong information. Moving from fortnightly to weekly collections - no redundancies required due to the number of temporary staff employed. The Tories changed the pay and redundancy package. The highest paid staff have not had any pay restored. The story the Echo printed recently was completely wrong! The Council and Unions had to print 'corrections'. In fact, they did a LH. Took a bit of information they didn't understand and got there facts completely wrong![/p][/quote]Sorry but I remember you & Southy going on about how the Tories got rid of all the Temps so exactly what temps would have gone if Fortnightly collections were bought in? It was your own Labour council that said 1-10 refuse collectors would lose their jobs if fortnightly collections were bought in so really I think you should check your information as I know that I'm right so that makes you out to be wrong? funny how with 5months to go you want to rewrite the history books in Labours favour are you related to Southy?[/p][/quote]Well no, your memory is wrong. My facts are correct, they just don't suit your position.... thinklikealocal

7:12pm Sun 22 Dec 13

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Saintly Sam wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....
so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?
Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.
As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that!
I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.
Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them
Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.
you actually called for redundancies so you wouldn't take a pay cut didn't you? What a great comrade/work buddy you are? is it because you knew your job was safe hey Comrade?
No I never 'called for redundancies'. If you are a Tory, and, support their policies, then you are the one calling for redundancies because there is no other option when you cut central budget grants to the extent they have been. Perhaps your the one really calling for redundancies?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?[/p][/quote]Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....[/p][/quote]so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?[/p][/quote]Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.[/p][/quote]As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that![/p][/quote]I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.[/p][/quote]Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them[/p][/quote]Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.[/p][/quote]you actually called for redundancies so you wouldn't take a pay cut didn't you? What a great comrade/work buddy you are? is it because you knew your job was safe hey Comrade?[/p][/quote]No I never 'called for redundancies'. If you are a Tory, and, support their policies, then you are the one calling for redundancies because there is no other option when you cut central budget grants to the extent they have been. Perhaps your the one really calling for redundancies? thinklikealocal

9:22pm Sun 22 Dec 13

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Saintly Sam wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....
so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?
Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.
As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that!
I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.
Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them
Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.
you actually called for redundancies so you wouldn't take a pay cut didn't you? What a great comrade/work buddy you are? is it because you knew your job was safe hey Comrade?
No I never 'called for redundancies'. If you are a Tory, and, support their policies, then you are the one calling for redundancies because there is no other option when you cut central budget grants to the extent they have been. Perhaps your the one really calling for redundancies?
I really give up on a blinkered socialist like you.
Royston said we'll cut pay to those over £17,500 & raise pay for those below that amount this increased to £22,000.
He also said that with these cuts in pay & other measures taken job losses would be kept to a minimum & he took on permanent Refuse collectors & got rid of the temps.
YOU said who said we didn't want redundancies? YOU said who said we'd rather have pay cuts than redundancies?
I argued with you time after time about this & YOU did say you would rather see job losses than wage cuts.
Now Labour are in power how many job cuts have their been? how many services have been cut?
Royston was facing £45million in cuts to his budget but with the measures put in place he could see no more job losses or services cut & with the grant he applied for this was looking a good promise.
Labour have taken a much lower hit have the refuse grant yet are cutting jobs are cutting services yet you still hark on about Tories cutting jobs?
Maybe if Labour hadn't made up two cabinet posts & rewarded the high paying Union members they wouldn't struggle with the budget
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?[/p][/quote]Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....[/p][/quote]so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?[/p][/quote]Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.[/p][/quote]As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that![/p][/quote]I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.[/p][/quote]Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them[/p][/quote]Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.[/p][/quote]you actually called for redundancies so you wouldn't take a pay cut didn't you? What a great comrade/work buddy you are? is it because you knew your job was safe hey Comrade?[/p][/quote]No I never 'called for redundancies'. If you are a Tory, and, support their policies, then you are the one calling for redundancies because there is no other option when you cut central budget grants to the extent they have been. Perhaps your the one really calling for redundancies?[/p][/quote]I really give up on a blinkered socialist like you. Royston said we'll cut pay to those over £17,500 & raise pay for those below that amount this increased to £22,000. He also said that with these cuts in pay & other measures taken job losses would be kept to a minimum & he took on permanent Refuse collectors & got rid of the temps. YOU said who said we didn't want redundancies? YOU said who said we'd rather have pay cuts than redundancies? I argued with you time after time about this & YOU did say you would rather see job losses than wage cuts. Now Labour are in power how many job cuts have their been? how many services have been cut? Royston was facing £45million in cuts to his budget but with the measures put in place he could see no more job losses or services cut & with the grant he applied for this was looking a good promise. Labour have taken a much lower hit have the refuse grant yet are cutting jobs are cutting services yet you still hark on about Tories cutting jobs? Maybe if Labour hadn't made up two cabinet posts & rewarded the high paying Union members they wouldn't struggle with the budget loosehead

9:24pm Sun 22 Dec 13

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Saintly Sam wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....
so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?
Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.
As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that!
I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.
Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them
Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.
Ps. I called you a racist because you made a racist comment. Having a 'foreign' wife and friends from ethnic minorities does not alter that fact. That was a long time ago. Any attempt by you to link that to your recent behaviour is totally disingenuous.
Since then I explained to you that post & you still called me a racist & many times you've called me names. You don't live in this city you don't pay our council tax you don't get your bins collected from our refuse collectors so why are you coming to a councils defence who you never voted for or face the consequences of it's actions? But you do don't you? you had your pay restored with jobs lost to pay for it .you are getting a yearly pay rise paid for by people who won't be getting a pay rise but will see their council tax to pay for your rise, from a council that bleats on about a lower cut in it's budget than the Tories had planned for. How on earth can this council justify spending millions on restoring pay & giving pay rises whilst cutting jobs & services? Sorry but you are nothing but a hypocrite! Please show me written evidence that when British crews were on the cruise ships Noro virus was such a problem? As I've told you my father brothers & cousins all were on them but lost their jobs to low paid foreign workers & since that day this virus seems to be getting worse is it the quality of the crew or is it a new cleaning policy by the cruise ships now if that makes me a racist then so be it
Ok. Firstly, no 'pay rises', 'pay restoration', there is a difference. Secondly, why don't you provide some evidence that Novovirus was documented or even existed 30 years ago....
The council announced a 1.9% increase in council tax each year for the next three years to give it's staff a 1.9% pay rise so again you've got your facts wrong these socialists are getting it so so wrong aren't you?
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?[/p][/quote]Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....[/p][/quote]so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?[/p][/quote]Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.[/p][/quote]As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that![/p][/quote]I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.[/p][/quote]Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them[/p][/quote]Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.[/p][/quote]Ps. I called you a racist because you made a racist comment. Having a 'foreign' wife and friends from ethnic minorities does not alter that fact. That was a long time ago. Any attempt by you to link that to your recent behaviour is totally disingenuous.[/p][/quote]Since then I explained to you that post & you still called me a racist & many times you've called me names. You don't live in this city you don't pay our council tax you don't get your bins collected from our refuse collectors so why are you coming to a councils defence who you never voted for or face the consequences of it's actions? But you do don't you? you had your pay restored with jobs lost to pay for it .you are getting a yearly pay rise paid for by people who won't be getting a pay rise but will see their council tax to pay for your rise, from a council that bleats on about a lower cut in it's budget than the Tories had planned for. How on earth can this council justify spending millions on restoring pay & giving pay rises whilst cutting jobs & services? Sorry but you are nothing but a hypocrite! Please show me written evidence that when British crews were on the cruise ships Noro virus was such a problem? As I've told you my father brothers & cousins all were on them but lost their jobs to low paid foreign workers & since that day this virus seems to be getting worse is it the quality of the crew or is it a new cleaning policy by the cruise ships now if that makes me a racist then so be it[/p][/quote]Ok. Firstly, no 'pay rises', 'pay restoration', there is a difference. Secondly, why don't you provide some evidence that Novovirus was documented or even existed 30 years ago....[/p][/quote]The council announced a 1.9% increase in council tax each year for the next three years to give it's staff a 1.9% pay rise so again you've got your facts wrong these socialists are getting it so so wrong aren't you? loosehead

9:26pm Sun 22 Dec 13

loosehead says...

dolomiteman wrote:
What about the large number of households who do not fill their bins up to the brim every week do they get a discount or a letter from the council thanking them.
If this policy is implemented it will lead to people carrying their extra bags down the road and dumping them which will cost the council extra in the long run.
It is also against council policy for refuse collectors to decant one bin into another or just pick out that one bin bag instead of wheeling the bin to the wagon so will that practice also cease, I doubt it but go away for a couple of days and you will get fined because the bin man doesn't put the bin back where he took it from.
I've stood there & seen refuse collectors taking my one or two bags out of my bin ramming them into another bin & forcing down the lid
[quote][p][bold]dolomiteman[/bold] wrote: What about the large number of households who do not fill their bins up to the brim every week do they get a discount or a letter from the council thanking them. If this policy is implemented it will lead to people carrying their extra bags down the road and dumping them which will cost the council extra in the long run. It is also against council policy for refuse collectors to decant one bin into another or just pick out that one bin bag instead of wheeling the bin to the wagon so will that practice also cease, I doubt it but go away for a couple of days and you will get fined because the bin man doesn't put the bin back where he took it from.[/p][/quote]I've stood there & seen refuse collectors taking my one or two bags out of my bin ramming them into another bin & forcing down the lid loosehead

9:28pm Sun 22 Dec 13

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Saintly Sam wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....
so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?
Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.
As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that!
I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.
Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them
Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.
Ps. I called you a racist because you made a racist comment. Having a 'foreign' wife and friends from ethnic minorities does not alter that fact. That was a long time ago. Any attempt by you to link that to your recent behaviour is totally disingenuous.
Since then I explained to you that post & you still called me a racist & many times you've called me names. You don't live in this city you don't pay our council tax you don't get your bins collected from our refuse collectors so why are you coming to a councils defence who you never voted for or face the consequences of it's actions? But you do don't you? you had your pay restored with jobs lost to pay for it .you are getting a yearly pay rise paid for by people who won't be getting a pay rise but will see their council tax to pay for your rise, from a council that bleats on about a lower cut in it's budget than the Tories had planned for. How on earth can this council justify spending millions on restoring pay & giving pay rises whilst cutting jobs & services? Sorry but you are nothing but a hypocrite! Please show me written evidence that when British crews were on the cruise ships Noro virus was such a problem? As I've told you my father brothers & cousins all were on them but lost their jobs to low paid foreign workers & since that day this virus seems to be getting worse is it the quality of the crew or is it a new cleaning policy by the cruise ships now if that makes me a racist then so be it
Ok. Firstly, no 'pay rises', 'pay restoration', there is a difference. Secondly, why don't you provide some evidence that Novovirus was documented or even existed 30 years ago....
30 years ago? I'm 56 -57 & my family worked on the cruise ships when I was born so again you call me racist & expect me to treat you like a lady? NO way I'm not a racist & I know exactly what hypocrites socialists/shop stewards are!
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?[/p][/quote]Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....[/p][/quote]so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?[/p][/quote]Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.[/p][/quote]As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that![/p][/quote]I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.[/p][/quote]Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them[/p][/quote]Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.[/p][/quote]Ps. I called you a racist because you made a racist comment. Having a 'foreign' wife and friends from ethnic minorities does not alter that fact. That was a long time ago. Any attempt by you to link that to your recent behaviour is totally disingenuous.[/p][/quote]Since then I explained to you that post & you still called me a racist & many times you've called me names. You don't live in this city you don't pay our council tax you don't get your bins collected from our refuse collectors so why are you coming to a councils defence who you never voted for or face the consequences of it's actions? But you do don't you? you had your pay restored with jobs lost to pay for it .you are getting a yearly pay rise paid for by people who won't be getting a pay rise but will see their council tax to pay for your rise, from a council that bleats on about a lower cut in it's budget than the Tories had planned for. How on earth can this council justify spending millions on restoring pay & giving pay rises whilst cutting jobs & services? Sorry but you are nothing but a hypocrite! Please show me written evidence that when British crews were on the cruise ships Noro virus was such a problem? As I've told you my father brothers & cousins all were on them but lost their jobs to low paid foreign workers & since that day this virus seems to be getting worse is it the quality of the crew or is it a new cleaning policy by the cruise ships now if that makes me a racist then so be it[/p][/quote]Ok. Firstly, no 'pay rises', 'pay restoration', there is a difference. Secondly, why don't you provide some evidence that Novovirus was documented or even existed 30 years ago....[/p][/quote]30 years ago? I'm 56 -57 & my family worked on the cruise ships when I was born so again you call me racist & expect me to treat you like a lady? NO way I'm not a racist & I know exactly what hypocrites socialists/shop stewards are! loosehead

9:34pm Sun 22 Dec 13

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Saintly Sam wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....
so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?
Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.
As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that!
I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.
Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them
Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.
you actually called for redundancies so you wouldn't take a pay cut didn't you? What a great comrade/work buddy you are? is it because you knew your job was safe hey Comrade?
No I never 'called for redundancies'. If you are a Tory, and, support their policies, then you are the one calling for redundancies because there is no other option when you cut central budget grants to the extent they have been. Perhaps your the one really calling for redundancies?
I really give up on a blinkered socialist like you. Royston said we'll cut pay to those over £17,500 & raise pay for those below that amount this increased to £22,000. He also said that with these cuts in pay & other measures taken job losses would be kept to a minimum & he took on permanent Refuse collectors & got rid of the temps. YOU said who said we didn't want redundancies? YOU said who said we'd rather have pay cuts than redundancies? I argued with you time after time about this & YOU did say you would rather see job losses than wage cuts. Now Labour are in power how many job cuts have their been? how many services have been cut? Royston was facing £45million in cuts to his budget but with the measures put in place he could see no more job losses or services cut & with the grant he applied for this was looking a good promise. Labour have taken a much lower hit have the refuse grant yet are cutting jobs are cutting services yet you still hark on about Tories cutting jobs? Maybe if Labour hadn't made up two cabinet posts & rewarded the high paying Union members they wouldn't struggle with the budget
Wrong.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?[/p][/quote]Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....[/p][/quote]so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?[/p][/quote]Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.[/p][/quote]As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that![/p][/quote]I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.[/p][/quote]Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them[/p][/quote]Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.[/p][/quote]you actually called for redundancies so you wouldn't take a pay cut didn't you? What a great comrade/work buddy you are? is it because you knew your job was safe hey Comrade?[/p][/quote]No I never 'called for redundancies'. If you are a Tory, and, support their policies, then you are the one calling for redundancies because there is no other option when you cut central budget grants to the extent they have been. Perhaps your the one really calling for redundancies?[/p][/quote]I really give up on a blinkered socialist like you. Royston said we'll cut pay to those over £17,500 & raise pay for those below that amount this increased to £22,000. He also said that with these cuts in pay & other measures taken job losses would be kept to a minimum & he took on permanent Refuse collectors & got rid of the temps. YOU said who said we didn't want redundancies? YOU said who said we'd rather have pay cuts than redundancies? I argued with you time after time about this & YOU did say you would rather see job losses than wage cuts. Now Labour are in power how many job cuts have their been? how many services have been cut? Royston was facing £45million in cuts to his budget but with the measures put in place he could see no more job losses or services cut & with the grant he applied for this was looking a good promise. Labour have taken a much lower hit have the refuse grant yet are cutting jobs are cutting services yet you still hark on about Tories cutting jobs? Maybe if Labour hadn't made up two cabinet posts & rewarded the high paying Union members they wouldn't struggle with the budget[/p][/quote]Wrong. thinklikealocal

9:38pm Sun 22 Dec 13

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Saintly Sam wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....
so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?
Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.
As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that!
I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.
Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them
Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.
Ps. I called you a racist because you made a racist comment. Having a 'foreign' wife and friends from ethnic minorities does not alter that fact. That was a long time ago. Any attempt by you to link that to your recent behaviour is totally disingenuous.
Since then I explained to you that post & you still called me a racist & many times you've called me names. You don't live in this city you don't pay our council tax you don't get your bins collected from our refuse collectors so why are you coming to a councils defence who you never voted for or face the consequences of it's actions? But you do don't you? you had your pay restored with jobs lost to pay for it .you are getting a yearly pay rise paid for by people who won't be getting a pay rise but will see their council tax to pay for your rise, from a council that bleats on about a lower cut in it's budget than the Tories had planned for. How on earth can this council justify spending millions on restoring pay & giving pay rises whilst cutting jobs & services? Sorry but you are nothing but a hypocrite! Please show me written evidence that when British crews were on the cruise ships Noro virus was such a problem? As I've told you my father brothers & cousins all were on them but lost their jobs to low paid foreign workers & since that day this virus seems to be getting worse is it the quality of the crew or is it a new cleaning policy by the cruise ships now if that makes me a racist then so be it
Ok. Firstly, no 'pay rises', 'pay restoration', there is a difference. Secondly, why don't you provide some evidence that Novovirus was documented or even existed 30 years ago....
The council announced a 1.9% increase in council tax each year for the next three years to give it's staff a 1.9% pay rise so again you've got your facts wrong these socialists are getting it so so wrong aren't you?
Wrong.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?[/p][/quote]Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....[/p][/quote]so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?[/p][/quote]Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.[/p][/quote]As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that![/p][/quote]I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.[/p][/quote]Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them[/p][/quote]Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.[/p][/quote]Ps. I called you a racist because you made a racist comment. Having a 'foreign' wife and friends from ethnic minorities does not alter that fact. That was a long time ago. Any attempt by you to link that to your recent behaviour is totally disingenuous.[/p][/quote]Since then I explained to you that post & you still called me a racist & many times you've called me names. You don't live in this city you don't pay our council tax you don't get your bins collected from our refuse collectors so why are you coming to a councils defence who you never voted for or face the consequences of it's actions? But you do don't you? you had your pay restored with jobs lost to pay for it .you are getting a yearly pay rise paid for by people who won't be getting a pay rise but will see their council tax to pay for your rise, from a council that bleats on about a lower cut in it's budget than the Tories had planned for. How on earth can this council justify spending millions on restoring pay & giving pay rises whilst cutting jobs & services? Sorry but you are nothing but a hypocrite! Please show me written evidence that when British crews were on the cruise ships Noro virus was such a problem? As I've told you my father brothers & cousins all were on them but lost their jobs to low paid foreign workers & since that day this virus seems to be getting worse is it the quality of the crew or is it a new cleaning policy by the cruise ships now if that makes me a racist then so be it[/p][/quote]Ok. Firstly, no 'pay rises', 'pay restoration', there is a difference. Secondly, why don't you provide some evidence that Novovirus was documented or even existed 30 years ago....[/p][/quote]The council announced a 1.9% increase in council tax each year for the next three years to give it's staff a 1.9% pay rise so again you've got your facts wrong these socialists are getting it so so wrong aren't you?[/p][/quote]Wrong. thinklikealocal

9:44pm Sun 22 Dec 13

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Saintly Sam wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....
so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?
Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.
As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that!
I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.
Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them
Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.
Ps. I called you a racist because you made a racist comment. Having a 'foreign' wife and friends from ethnic minorities does not alter that fact. That was a long time ago. Any attempt by you to link that to your recent behaviour is totally disingenuous.
Since then I explained to you that post & you still called me a racist & many times you've called me names. You don't live in this city you don't pay our council tax you don't get your bins collected from our refuse collectors so why are you coming to a councils defence who you never voted for or face the consequences of it's actions? But you do don't you? you had your pay restored with jobs lost to pay for it .you are getting a yearly pay rise paid for by people who won't be getting a pay rise but will see their council tax to pay for your rise, from a council that bleats on about a lower cut in it's budget than the Tories had planned for. How on earth can this council justify spending millions on restoring pay & giving pay rises whilst cutting jobs & services? Sorry but you are nothing but a hypocrite! Please show me written evidence that when British crews were on the cruise ships Noro virus was such a problem? As I've told you my father brothers & cousins all were on them but lost their jobs to low paid foreign workers & since that day this virus seems to be getting worse is it the quality of the crew or is it a new cleaning policy by the cruise ships now if that makes me a racist then so be it
Ok. Firstly, no 'pay rises', 'pay restoration', there is a difference. Secondly, why don't you provide some evidence that Novovirus was documented or even existed 30 years ago....
30 years ago? I'm 56 -57 & my family worked on the cruise ships when I was born so again you call me racist & expect me to treat you like a lady? NO way I'm not a racist & I know exactly what hypocrites socialists/shop stewards are!
Dear god the ramblings get worse by the day.... How have I called you racist again? I gave the timespan if 30 years because it was round about then that British crew numbers started to seriously decline on UK based cruise ships. But surely you know that don't you?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?[/p][/quote]Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....[/p][/quote]so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?[/p][/quote]Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.[/p][/quote]As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that![/p][/quote]I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.[/p][/quote]Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them[/p][/quote]Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.[/p][/quote]Ps. I called you a racist because you made a racist comment. Having a 'foreign' wife and friends from ethnic minorities does not alter that fact. That was a long time ago. Any attempt by you to link that to your recent behaviour is totally disingenuous.[/p][/quote]Since then I explained to you that post & you still called me a racist & many times you've called me names. You don't live in this city you don't pay our council tax you don't get your bins collected from our refuse collectors so why are you coming to a councils defence who you never voted for or face the consequences of it's actions? But you do don't you? you had your pay restored with jobs lost to pay for it .you are getting a yearly pay rise paid for by people who won't be getting a pay rise but will see their council tax to pay for your rise, from a council that bleats on about a lower cut in it's budget than the Tories had planned for. How on earth can this council justify spending millions on restoring pay & giving pay rises whilst cutting jobs & services? Sorry but you are nothing but a hypocrite! Please show me written evidence that when British crews were on the cruise ships Noro virus was such a problem? As I've told you my father brothers & cousins all were on them but lost their jobs to low paid foreign workers & since that day this virus seems to be getting worse is it the quality of the crew or is it a new cleaning policy by the cruise ships now if that makes me a racist then so be it[/p][/quote]Ok. Firstly, no 'pay rises', 'pay restoration', there is a difference. Secondly, why don't you provide some evidence that Novovirus was documented or even existed 30 years ago....[/p][/quote]30 years ago? I'm 56 -57 & my family worked on the cruise ships when I was born so again you call me racist & expect me to treat you like a lady? NO way I'm not a racist & I know exactly what hypocrites socialists/shop stewards are![/p][/quote]Dear god the ramblings get worse by the day.... How have I called you racist again? I gave the timespan if 30 years because it was round about then that British crew numbers started to seriously decline on UK based cruise ships. But surely you know that don't you? thinklikealocal

7:05am Mon 23 Dec 13

Ellwood says...

.............. Southampton just gets worse by the day...... and the Council appears largely to blame.
.............. Southampton just gets worse by the day...... and the Council appears largely to blame. Ellwood

8:34am Mon 23 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
StevenGalton wrote:
Ah Lone Ranger - Labour Councillor, Activist, Supporter or Sympathiser?
- how about some honesty and transparency on who you really are!

Another fact - regardless of the potential outcome of the government bid Labour had promised in the run up to 2012 local elections to KEEP A WEEKLY BIN COLLECTION - In Autumn 2012, just mere months after winning control of the city the Labour Group were happy to break this promise and bring in fortnightly collections - something the Conservative group NEVER DID - Conservatives protected weekly bin collections, provided free greenwaste collections and instigated bringing in a kerbside glass collection - on top of always sticking to the promises made to the electorate...

Can anyone explain why it has taken so long to actually start collecting the glass and why Labour reneged on their promise to maintain a free greenwaste collection once government provided the funding to do exactly this?
Ahhh Mr Galton ..... what an interesting post.
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Your attemptempt to put a label on me failed quite miserably as i do not fall into any of those catagories ........ And you have the brass neck to talk about honesty.
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But let me label you with more accuracy ..... Wannabee Tory Councillor ... ......... Tory mouthpiece on Biomass ........ Deliberately avoid Sulphur Plant as it may and does compromise your leader and deputy ....... And a liar.
.....
All that aside ...... perhaps you can answer the question that i posed to you in the first place instead of trying to side step the issue ... again
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Didnt your Tory Council propose to charge for "Green Waste" collections ...
again there you go calling some one a liar? have you heard the saying "if the cap fits wear it" try recording what you say & you'll be amazed at the lies & insults you sprout
I call him a liar ....... i call you a liar ....... quite simply because you both are.
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In actual fact looking at you posts with thinklikealocal i would also call you an outright idiot ...... because you are ........ and for no other reason
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevenGalton[/bold] wrote: Ah Lone Ranger - Labour Councillor, Activist, Supporter or Sympathiser? - how about some honesty and transparency on who you really are! Another fact - regardless of the potential outcome of the government bid Labour had promised in the run up to 2012 local elections to KEEP A WEEKLY BIN COLLECTION - In Autumn 2012, just mere months after winning control of the city the Labour Group were happy to break this promise and bring in fortnightly collections - something the Conservative group NEVER DID - Conservatives protected weekly bin collections, provided free greenwaste collections and instigated bringing in a kerbside glass collection - on top of always sticking to the promises made to the electorate... Can anyone explain why it has taken so long to actually start collecting the glass and why Labour reneged on their promise to maintain a free greenwaste collection once government provided the funding to do exactly this?[/p][/quote]Ahhh Mr Galton ..... what an interesting post. . Your attemptempt to put a label on me failed quite miserably as i do not fall into any of those catagories ........ And you have the brass neck to talk about honesty. . But let me label you with more accuracy ..... Wannabee Tory Councillor ... ......... Tory mouthpiece on Biomass ........ Deliberately avoid Sulphur Plant as it may and does compromise your leader and deputy ....... And a liar. ..... All that aside ...... perhaps you can answer the question that i posed to you in the first place instead of trying to side step the issue ... again . Didnt your Tory Council propose to charge for "Green Waste" collections ...[/p][/quote]again there you go calling some one a liar? have you heard the saying "if the cap fits wear it" try recording what you say & you'll be amazed at the lies & insults you sprout[/p][/quote]I call him a liar ....... i call you a liar ....... quite simply because you both are. . In actual fact looking at you posts with thinklikealocal i would also call you an outright idiot ...... because you are ........ and for no other reason Lone Ranger.

8:58am Mon 23 Dec 13

StevenGalton says...

Lone Ranger - you continue to make serious slurs on my character. Please provide your evidence for stating I lie or retract the untrue statement.

You are entitled to your view and opinion, as are others, however false accusations you are not.

Ok Sulphur Plant - would that be the issue the 3 Labour Councillors for Millbrook had time to distribute letters blaming Conservatives yet no time to attend the planning panel and speak against it like myself and Jeremy Moulton did? In fact so busy trying to score political points not one of the Councillors even submitted written objections!
Lone Ranger - you continue to make serious slurs on my character. Please provide your evidence for stating I lie or retract the untrue statement. You are entitled to your view and opinion, as are others, however false accusations you are not. Ok Sulphur Plant - would that be the issue the 3 Labour Councillors for Millbrook had time to distribute letters blaming Conservatives yet no time to attend the planning panel and speak against it like myself and Jeremy Moulton did? In fact so busy trying to score political points not one of the Councillors even submitted written objections! StevenGalton

9:33am Mon 23 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

StevenGalton wrote:
Lone Ranger - you continue to make serious slurs on my character. Please provide your evidence for stating I lie or retract the untrue statement.

You are entitled to your view and opinion, as are others, however false accusations you are not.

Ok Sulphur Plant - would that be the issue the 3 Labour Councillors for Millbrook had time to distribute letters blaming Conservatives yet no time to attend the planning panel and speak against it like myself and Jeremy Moulton did? In fact so busy trying to score political points not one of the Councillors even submitted written objections!
Mr Galton i do apologise for making what you consider to be serious slurs on your character.
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However i have been pushing you to do exactly the same for me for a number of months ... but unfortunately you have not been forthcoming ......
.
Now when can i expect your apology ?
[quote][p][bold]StevenGalton[/bold] wrote: Lone Ranger - you continue to make serious slurs on my character. Please provide your evidence for stating I lie or retract the untrue statement. You are entitled to your view and opinion, as are others, however false accusations you are not. Ok Sulphur Plant - would that be the issue the 3 Labour Councillors for Millbrook had time to distribute letters blaming Conservatives yet no time to attend the planning panel and speak against it like myself and Jeremy Moulton did? In fact so busy trying to score political points not one of the Councillors even submitted written objections![/p][/quote]Mr Galton i do apologise for making what you consider to be serious slurs on your character. . However i have been pushing you to do exactly the same for me for a number of months ... but unfortunately you have not been forthcoming ...... . Now when can i expect your apology ? Lone Ranger.

9:10pm Mon 23 Dec 13

loosehead says...

StevenGalton wrote:
Lone Ranger - you continue to make serious slurs on my character. Please provide your evidence for stating I lie or retract the untrue statement.

You are entitled to your view and opinion, as are others, however false accusations you are not.

Ok Sulphur Plant - would that be the issue the 3 Labour Councillors for Millbrook had time to distribute letters blaming Conservatives yet no time to attend the planning panel and speak against it like myself and Jeremy Moulton did? In fact so busy trying to score political points not one of the Councillors even submitted written objections!
well said!
[quote][p][bold]StevenGalton[/bold] wrote: Lone Ranger - you continue to make serious slurs on my character. Please provide your evidence for stating I lie or retract the untrue statement. You are entitled to your view and opinion, as are others, however false accusations you are not. Ok Sulphur Plant - would that be the issue the 3 Labour Councillors for Millbrook had time to distribute letters blaming Conservatives yet no time to attend the planning panel and speak against it like myself and Jeremy Moulton did? In fact so busy trying to score political points not one of the Councillors even submitted written objections![/p][/quote]well said! loosehead

9:15pm Mon 23 Dec 13

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Saintly Sam wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....
so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?
Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.
As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that!
I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.
Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them
Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.
Ps. I called you a racist because you made a racist comment. Having a 'foreign' wife and friends from ethnic minorities does not alter that fact. That was a long time ago. Any attempt by you to link that to your recent behaviour is totally disingenuous.
Since then I explained to you that post & you still called me a racist & many times you've called me names. You don't live in this city you don't pay our council tax you don't get your bins collected from our refuse collectors so why are you coming to a councils defence who you never voted for or face the consequences of it's actions? But you do don't you? you had your pay restored with jobs lost to pay for it .you are getting a yearly pay rise paid for by people who won't be getting a pay rise but will see their council tax to pay for your rise, from a council that bleats on about a lower cut in it's budget than the Tories had planned for. How on earth can this council justify spending millions on restoring pay & giving pay rises whilst cutting jobs & services? Sorry but you are nothing but a hypocrite! Please show me written evidence that when British crews were on the cruise ships Noro virus was such a problem? As I've told you my father brothers & cousins all were on them but lost their jobs to low paid foreign workers & since that day this virus seems to be getting worse is it the quality of the crew or is it a new cleaning policy by the cruise ships now if that makes me a racist then so be it
Ok. Firstly, no 'pay rises', 'pay restoration', there is a difference. Secondly, why don't you provide some evidence that Novovirus was documented or even existed 30 years ago....
30 years ago? I'm 56 -57 & my family worked on the cruise ships when I was born so again you call me racist & expect me to treat you like a lady? NO way I'm not a racist & I know exactly what hypocrites socialists/shop stewards are!
Dear god the ramblings get worse by the day.... How have I called you racist again? I gave the timespan if 30 years because it was round about then that British crew numbers started to seriously decline on UK based cruise ships. But surely you know that don't you?
here you go again! do you & Lone Ranger sit down & work out what your going to say?
If this is your idea of a debate to slag me down at every opportunity & when I prove your so so wrong then why don't you & the two L's get together form a website & debate amongst yourselfs as then your always be right.
OH! I see your friend Ian Woodland has taken another group of city workers out on strike in Portsmouth blaming the councils intransigency pity he can't blame an Anti Workers Tory council this time as it's a Liberal council who knows next stop Eastleigh?
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?[/p][/quote]Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....[/p][/quote]so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?[/p][/quote]Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.[/p][/quote]As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that![/p][/quote]I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.[/p][/quote]Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them[/p][/quote]Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.[/p][/quote]Ps. I called you a racist because you made a racist comment. Having a 'foreign' wife and friends from ethnic minorities does not alter that fact. That was a long time ago. Any attempt by you to link that to your recent behaviour is totally disingenuous.[/p][/quote]Since then I explained to you that post & you still called me a racist & many times you've called me names. You don't live in this city you don't pay our council tax you don't get your bins collected from our refuse collectors so why are you coming to a councils defence who you never voted for or face the consequences of it's actions? But you do don't you? you had your pay restored with jobs lost to pay for it .you are getting a yearly pay rise paid for by people who won't be getting a pay rise but will see their council tax to pay for your rise, from a council that bleats on about a lower cut in it's budget than the Tories had planned for. How on earth can this council justify spending millions on restoring pay & giving pay rises whilst cutting jobs & services? Sorry but you are nothing but a hypocrite! Please show me written evidence that when British crews were on the cruise ships Noro virus was such a problem? As I've told you my father brothers & cousins all were on them but lost their jobs to low paid foreign workers & since that day this virus seems to be getting worse is it the quality of the crew or is it a new cleaning policy by the cruise ships now if that makes me a racist then so be it[/p][/quote]Ok. Firstly, no 'pay rises', 'pay restoration', there is a difference. Secondly, why don't you provide some evidence that Novovirus was documented or even existed 30 years ago....[/p][/quote]30 years ago? I'm 56 -57 & my family worked on the cruise ships when I was born so again you call me racist & expect me to treat you like a lady? NO way I'm not a racist & I know exactly what hypocrites socialists/shop stewards are![/p][/quote]Dear god the ramblings get worse by the day.... How have I called you racist again? I gave the timespan if 30 years because it was round about then that British crew numbers started to seriously decline on UK based cruise ships. But surely you know that don't you?[/p][/quote]here you go again! do you & Lone Ranger sit down & work out what your going to say? If this is your idea of a debate to slag me down at every opportunity & when I prove your so so wrong then why don't you & the two L's get together form a website & debate amongst yourselfs as then your always be right. OH! I see your friend Ian Woodland has taken another group of city workers out on strike in Portsmouth blaming the councils intransigency pity he can't blame an Anti Workers Tory council this time as it's a Liberal council who knows next stop Eastleigh? loosehead

9:17pm Mon 23 Dec 13

loosehead says...

StevenGalton wrote:
Lone Ranger - you continue to make serious slurs on my character. Please provide your evidence for stating I lie or retract the untrue statement.

You are entitled to your view and opinion, as are others, however false accusations you are not.

Ok Sulphur Plant - would that be the issue the 3 Labour Councillors for Millbrook had time to distribute letters blaming Conservatives yet no time to attend the planning panel and speak against it like myself and Jeremy Moulton did? In fact so busy trying to score political points not one of the Councillors even submitted written objections!
Steve have you noticed Ian Woodland has taken out parking wardens in Portsmouth using the same reasons as he used to strike in Southampton?
[quote][p][bold]StevenGalton[/bold] wrote: Lone Ranger - you continue to make serious slurs on my character. Please provide your evidence for stating I lie or retract the untrue statement. You are entitled to your view and opinion, as are others, however false accusations you are not. Ok Sulphur Plant - would that be the issue the 3 Labour Councillors for Millbrook had time to distribute letters blaming Conservatives yet no time to attend the planning panel and speak against it like myself and Jeremy Moulton did? In fact so busy trying to score political points not one of the Councillors even submitted written objections![/p][/quote]Steve have you noticed Ian Woodland has taken out parking wardens in Portsmouth using the same reasons as he used to strike in Southampton? loosehead

3:28pm Tue 24 Dec 13

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Saintly Sam wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....
so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?
Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.
As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that!
I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.
Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them
Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.
Ps. I called you a racist because you made a racist comment. Having a 'foreign' wife and friends from ethnic minorities does not alter that fact. That was a long time ago. Any attempt by you to link that to your recent behaviour is totally disingenuous.
Since then I explained to you that post & you still called me a racist & many times you've called me names. You don't live in this city you don't pay our council tax you don't get your bins collected from our refuse collectors so why are you coming to a councils defence who you never voted for or face the consequences of it's actions? But you do don't you? you had your pay restored with jobs lost to pay for it .you are getting a yearly pay rise paid for by people who won't be getting a pay rise but will see their council tax to pay for your rise, from a council that bleats on about a lower cut in it's budget than the Tories had planned for. How on earth can this council justify spending millions on restoring pay & giving pay rises whilst cutting jobs & services? Sorry but you are nothing but a hypocrite! Please show me written evidence that when British crews were on the cruise ships Noro virus was such a problem? As I've told you my father brothers & cousins all were on them but lost their jobs to low paid foreign workers & since that day this virus seems to be getting worse is it the quality of the crew or is it a new cleaning policy by the cruise ships now if that makes me a racist then so be it
Ok. Firstly, no 'pay rises', 'pay restoration', there is a difference. Secondly, why don't you provide some evidence that Novovirus was documented or even existed 30 years ago....
30 years ago? I'm 56 -57 & my family worked on the cruise ships when I was born so again you call me racist & expect me to treat you like a lady? NO way I'm not a racist & I know exactly what hypocrites socialists/shop stewards are!
Dear god the ramblings get worse by the day.... How have I called you racist again? I gave the timespan if 30 years because it was round about then that British crew numbers started to seriously decline on UK based cruise ships. But surely you know that don't you?
here you go again! do you & Lone Ranger sit down & work out what your going to say? If this is your idea of a debate to slag me down at every opportunity & when I prove your so so wrong then why don't you & the two L's get together form a website & debate amongst yourselfs as then your always be right. OH! I see your friend Ian Woodland has taken another group of city workers out on strike in Portsmouth blaming the councils intransigency pity he can't blame an Anti Workers Tory council this time as it's a Liberal council who knows next stop Eastleigh?
If you don't want to be accused of 'rambling on' then stop doing it! I'd like to know on exactly what point you think you have proved me wrong? I don't know who Ian Woodland is and have never met him, by definition, I don't think he can therefore be described as my 'friend'....
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?[/p][/quote]Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....[/p][/quote]so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?[/p][/quote]Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.[/p][/quote]As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that![/p][/quote]I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.[/p][/quote]Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them[/p][/quote]Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.[/p][/quote]Ps. I called you a racist because you made a racist comment. Having a 'foreign' wife and friends from ethnic minorities does not alter that fact. That was a long time ago. Any attempt by you to link that to your recent behaviour is totally disingenuous.[/p][/quote]Since then I explained to you that post & you still called me a racist & many times you've called me names. You don't live in this city you don't pay our council tax you don't get your bins collected from our refuse collectors so why are you coming to a councils defence who you never voted for or face the consequences of it's actions? But you do don't you? you had your pay restored with jobs lost to pay for it .you are getting a yearly pay rise paid for by people who won't be getting a pay rise but will see their council tax to pay for your rise, from a council that bleats on about a lower cut in it's budget than the Tories had planned for. How on earth can this council justify spending millions on restoring pay & giving pay rises whilst cutting jobs & services? Sorry but you are nothing but a hypocrite! Please show me written evidence that when British crews were on the cruise ships Noro virus was such a problem? As I've told you my father brothers & cousins all were on them but lost their jobs to low paid foreign workers & since that day this virus seems to be getting worse is it the quality of the crew or is it a new cleaning policy by the cruise ships now if that makes me a racist then so be it[/p][/quote]Ok. Firstly, no 'pay rises', 'pay restoration', there is a difference. Secondly, why don't you provide some evidence that Novovirus was documented or even existed 30 years ago....[/p][/quote]30 years ago? I'm 56 -57 & my family worked on the cruise ships when I was born so again you call me racist & expect me to treat you like a lady? NO way I'm not a racist & I know exactly what hypocrites socialists/shop stewards are![/p][/quote]Dear god the ramblings get worse by the day.... How have I called you racist again? I gave the timespan if 30 years because it was round about then that British crew numbers started to seriously decline on UK based cruise ships. But surely you know that don't you?[/p][/quote]here you go again! do you & Lone Ranger sit down & work out what your going to say? If this is your idea of a debate to slag me down at every opportunity & when I prove your so so wrong then why don't you & the two L's get together form a website & debate amongst yourselfs as then your always be right. OH! I see your friend Ian Woodland has taken another group of city workers out on strike in Portsmouth blaming the councils intransigency pity he can't blame an Anti Workers Tory council this time as it's a Liberal council who knows next stop Eastleigh?[/p][/quote]If you don't want to be accused of 'rambling on' then stop doing it! I'd like to know on exactly what point you think you have proved me wrong? I don't know who Ian Woodland is and have never met him, by definition, I don't think he can therefore be described as my 'friend'.... thinklikealocal

8:35am Wed 25 Dec 13

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Saintly Sam wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....
so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?
Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.
As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that!
I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.
Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them
Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.
Ps. I called you a racist because you made a racist comment. Having a 'foreign' wife and friends from ethnic minorities does not alter that fact. That was a long time ago. Any attempt by you to link that to your recent behaviour is totally disingenuous.
Since then I explained to you that post & you still called me a racist & many times you've called me names. You don't live in this city you don't pay our council tax you don't get your bins collected from our refuse collectors so why are you coming to a councils defence who you never voted for or face the consequences of it's actions? But you do don't you? you had your pay restored with jobs lost to pay for it .you are getting a yearly pay rise paid for by people who won't be getting a pay rise but will see their council tax to pay for your rise, from a council that bleats on about a lower cut in it's budget than the Tories had planned for. How on earth can this council justify spending millions on restoring pay & giving pay rises whilst cutting jobs & services? Sorry but you are nothing but a hypocrite! Please show me written evidence that when British crews were on the cruise ships Noro virus was such a problem? As I've told you my father brothers & cousins all were on them but lost their jobs to low paid foreign workers & since that day this virus seems to be getting worse is it the quality of the crew or is it a new cleaning policy by the cruise ships now if that makes me a racist then so be it
Ok. Firstly, no 'pay rises', 'pay restoration', there is a difference. Secondly, why don't you provide some evidence that Novovirus was documented or even existed 30 years ago....
30 years ago? I'm 56 -57 & my family worked on the cruise ships when I was born so again you call me racist & expect me to treat you like a lady? NO way I'm not a racist & I know exactly what hypocrites socialists/shop stewards are!
Dear god the ramblings get worse by the day.... How have I called you racist again? I gave the timespan if 30 years because it was round about then that British crew numbers started to seriously decline on UK based cruise ships. But surely you know that don't you?
here you go again! do you & Lone Ranger sit down & work out what your going to say? If this is your idea of a debate to slag me down at every opportunity & when I prove your so so wrong then why don't you & the two L's get together form a website & debate amongst yourselfs as then your always be right. OH! I see your friend Ian Woodland has taken another group of city workers out on strike in Portsmouth blaming the councils intransigency pity he can't blame an Anti Workers Tory council this time as it's a Liberal council who knows next stop Eastleigh?
If you don't want to be accused of 'rambling on' then stop doing it! I'd like to know on exactly what point you think you have proved me wrong? I don't know who Ian Woodland is and have never met him, by definition, I don't think he can therefore be described as my 'friend'....
he was "UNITE'S VOICE" in the industrial action in this city & I thought you knew everything?(Unite Convenor)
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?[/p][/quote]Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....[/p][/quote]so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?[/p][/quote]Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.[/p][/quote]As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that![/p][/quote]I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.[/p][/quote]Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them[/p][/quote]Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.[/p][/quote]Ps. I called you a racist because you made a racist comment. Having a 'foreign' wife and friends from ethnic minorities does not alter that fact. That was a long time ago. Any attempt by you to link that to your recent behaviour is totally disingenuous.[/p][/quote]Since then I explained to you that post & you still called me a racist & many times you've called me names. You don't live in this city you don't pay our council tax you don't get your bins collected from our refuse collectors so why are you coming to a councils defence who you never voted for or face the consequences of it's actions? But you do don't you? you had your pay restored with jobs lost to pay for it .you are getting a yearly pay rise paid for by people who won't be getting a pay rise but will see their council tax to pay for your rise, from a council that bleats on about a lower cut in it's budget than the Tories had planned for. How on earth can this council justify spending millions on restoring pay & giving pay rises whilst cutting jobs & services? Sorry but you are nothing but a hypocrite! Please show me written evidence that when British crews were on the cruise ships Noro virus was such a problem? As I've told you my father brothers & cousins all were on them but lost their jobs to low paid foreign workers & since that day this virus seems to be getting worse is it the quality of the crew or is it a new cleaning policy by the cruise ships now if that makes me a racist then so be it[/p][/quote]Ok. Firstly, no 'pay rises', 'pay restoration', there is a difference. Secondly, why don't you provide some evidence that Novovirus was documented or even existed 30 years ago....[/p][/quote]30 years ago? I'm 56 -57 & my family worked on the cruise ships when I was born so again you call me racist & expect me to treat you like a lady? NO way I'm not a racist & I know exactly what hypocrites socialists/shop stewards are![/p][/quote]Dear god the ramblings get worse by the day.... How have I called you racist again? I gave the timespan if 30 years because it was round about then that British crew numbers started to seriously decline on UK based cruise ships. But surely you know that don't you?[/p][/quote]here you go again! do you & Lone Ranger sit down & work out what your going to say? If this is your idea of a debate to slag me down at every opportunity & when I prove your so so wrong then why don't you & the two L's get together form a website & debate amongst yourselfs as then your always be right. OH! I see your friend Ian Woodland has taken another group of city workers out on strike in Portsmouth blaming the councils intransigency pity he can't blame an Anti Workers Tory council this time as it's a Liberal council who knows next stop Eastleigh?[/p][/quote]If you don't want to be accused of 'rambling on' then stop doing it! I'd like to know on exactly what point you think you have proved me wrong? I don't know who Ian Woodland is and have never met him, by definition, I don't think he can therefore be described as my 'friend'....[/p][/quote]he was "UNITE'S VOICE" in the industrial action in this city & I thought you knew everything?(Unite Convenor) loosehead

11:26pm Wed 25 Dec 13

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Saintly Sam wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....
so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?
Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.
As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that!
I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.
Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them
Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.
Ps. I called you a racist because you made a racist comment. Having a 'foreign' wife and friends from ethnic minorities does not alter that fact. That was a long time ago. Any attempt by you to link that to your recent behaviour is totally disingenuous.
Since then I explained to you that post & you still called me a racist & many times you've called me names. You don't live in this city you don't pay our council tax you don't get your bins collected from our refuse collectors so why are you coming to a councils defence who you never voted for or face the consequences of it's actions? But you do don't you? you had your pay restored with jobs lost to pay for it .you are getting a yearly pay rise paid for by people who won't be getting a pay rise but will see their council tax to pay for your rise, from a council that bleats on about a lower cut in it's budget than the Tories had planned for. How on earth can this council justify spending millions on restoring pay & giving pay rises whilst cutting jobs & services? Sorry but you are nothing but a hypocrite! Please show me written evidence that when British crews were on the cruise ships Noro virus was such a problem? As I've told you my father brothers & cousins all were on them but lost their jobs to low paid foreign workers & since that day this virus seems to be getting worse is it the quality of the crew or is it a new cleaning policy by the cruise ships now if that makes me a racist then so be it
Ok. Firstly, no 'pay rises', 'pay restoration', there is a difference. Secondly, why don't you provide some evidence that Novovirus was documented or even existed 30 years ago....
30 years ago? I'm 56 -57 & my family worked on the cruise ships when I was born so again you call me racist & expect me to treat you like a lady? NO way I'm not a racist & I know exactly what hypocrites socialists/shop stewards are!
Dear god the ramblings get worse by the day.... How have I called you racist again? I gave the timespan if 30 years because it was round about then that British crew numbers started to seriously decline on UK based cruise ships. But surely you know that don't you?
here you go again! do you & Lone Ranger sit down & work out what your going to say? If this is your idea of a debate to slag me down at every opportunity & when I prove your so so wrong then why don't you & the two L's get together form a website & debate amongst yourselfs as then your always be right. OH! I see your friend Ian Woodland has taken another group of city workers out on strike in Portsmouth blaming the councils intransigency pity he can't blame an Anti Workers Tory council this time as it's a Liberal council who knows next stop Eastleigh?
If you don't want to be accused of 'rambling on' then stop doing it! I'd like to know on exactly what point you think you have proved me wrong? I don't know who Ian Woodland is and have never met him, by definition, I don't think he can therefore be described as my 'friend'....
he was "UNITE'S VOICE" in the industrial action in this city & I thought you knew everything?(Unite Convenor)
Perhaps I'm not the Union 'lapdog' you think I am? Strange isn't it how you defeat your own argument and you don't even realise it.... You make such a big deal of the Labour/Union coalition in Southampton being responsible for the strikes over reductions in pay, yet, the same Union person is now organising strikes in Portsmouth where Labour is not in power? Honestly, your arguments (I won't call it debating because that would be an insult to debate) are ridiculous.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?[/p][/quote]Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....[/p][/quote]so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?[/p][/quote]Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.[/p][/quote]As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that![/p][/quote]I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.[/p][/quote]Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them[/p][/quote]Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.[/p][/quote]Ps. I called you a racist because you made a racist comment. Having a 'foreign' wife and friends from ethnic minorities does not alter that fact. That was a long time ago. Any attempt by you to link that to your recent behaviour is totally disingenuous.[/p][/quote]Since then I explained to you that post & you still called me a racist & many times you've called me names. You don't live in this city you don't pay our council tax you don't get your bins collected from our refuse collectors so why are you coming to a councils defence who you never voted for or face the consequences of it's actions? But you do don't you? you had your pay restored with jobs lost to pay for it .you are getting a yearly pay rise paid for by people who won't be getting a pay rise but will see their council tax to pay for your rise, from a council that bleats on about a lower cut in it's budget than the Tories had planned for. How on earth can this council justify spending millions on restoring pay & giving pay rises whilst cutting jobs & services? Sorry but you are nothing but a hypocrite! Please show me written evidence that when British crews were on the cruise ships Noro virus was such a problem? As I've told you my father brothers & cousins all were on them but lost their jobs to low paid foreign workers & since that day this virus seems to be getting worse is it the quality of the crew or is it a new cleaning policy by the cruise ships now if that makes me a racist then so be it[/p][/quote]Ok. Firstly, no 'pay rises', 'pay restoration', there is a difference. Secondly, why don't you provide some evidence that Novovirus was documented or even existed 30 years ago....[/p][/quote]30 years ago? I'm 56 -57 & my family worked on the cruise ships when I was born so again you call me racist & expect me to treat you like a lady? NO way I'm not a racist & I know exactly what hypocrites socialists/shop stewards are![/p][/quote]Dear god the ramblings get worse by the day.... How have I called you racist again? I gave the timespan if 30 years because it was round about then that British crew numbers started to seriously decline on UK based cruise ships. But surely you know that don't you?[/p][/quote]here you go again! do you & Lone Ranger sit down & work out what your going to say? If this is your idea of a debate to slag me down at every opportunity & when I prove your so so wrong then why don't you & the two L's get together form a website & debate amongst yourselfs as then your always be right. OH! I see your friend Ian Woodland has taken another group of city workers out on strike in Portsmouth blaming the councils intransigency pity he can't blame an Anti Workers Tory council this time as it's a Liberal council who knows next stop Eastleigh?[/p][/quote]If you don't want to be accused of 'rambling on' then stop doing it! I'd like to know on exactly what point you think you have proved me wrong? I don't know who Ian Woodland is and have never met him, by definition, I don't think he can therefore be described as my 'friend'....[/p][/quote]he was "UNITE'S VOICE" in the industrial action in this city & I thought you knew everything?(Unite Convenor)[/p][/quote]Perhaps I'm not the Union 'lapdog' you think I am? Strange isn't it how you defeat your own argument and you don't even realise it.... You make such a big deal of the Labour/Union coalition in Southampton being responsible for the strikes over reductions in pay, yet, the same Union person is now organising strikes in Portsmouth where Labour is not in power? Honestly, your arguments (I won't call it debating because that would be an insult to debate) are ridiculous. thinklikealocal

7:34am Fri 27 Dec 13

loosehead says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
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thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
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IronLady2010 wrote:
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Saintly Sam wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....
so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?
Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.
As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that!
I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.
Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them
Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.
Ps. I called you a racist because you made a racist comment. Having a 'foreign' wife and friends from ethnic minorities does not alter that fact. That was a long time ago. Any attempt by you to link that to your recent behaviour is totally disingenuous.
Since then I explained to you that post & you still called me a racist & many times you've called me names. You don't live in this city you don't pay our council tax you don't get your bins collected from our refuse collectors so why are you coming to a councils defence who you never voted for or face the consequences of it's actions? But you do don't you? you had your pay restored with jobs lost to pay for it .you are getting a yearly pay rise paid for by people who won't be getting a pay rise but will see their council tax to pay for your rise, from a council that bleats on about a lower cut in it's budget than the Tories had planned for. How on earth can this council justify spending millions on restoring pay & giving pay rises whilst cutting jobs & services? Sorry but you are nothing but a hypocrite! Please show me written evidence that when British crews were on the cruise ships Noro virus was such a problem? As I've told you my father brothers & cousins all were on them but lost their jobs to low paid foreign workers & since that day this virus seems to be getting worse is it the quality of the crew or is it a new cleaning policy by the cruise ships now if that makes me a racist then so be it
Ok. Firstly, no 'pay rises', 'pay restoration', there is a difference. Secondly, why don't you provide some evidence that Novovirus was documented or even existed 30 years ago....
30 years ago? I'm 56 -57 & my family worked on the cruise ships when I was born so again you call me racist & expect me to treat you like a lady? NO way I'm not a racist & I know exactly what hypocrites socialists/shop stewards are!
Dear god the ramblings get worse by the day.... How have I called you racist again? I gave the timespan if 30 years because it was round about then that British crew numbers started to seriously decline on UK based cruise ships. But surely you know that don't you?
here you go again! do you & Lone Ranger sit down & work out what your going to say? If this is your idea of a debate to slag me down at every opportunity & when I prove your so so wrong then why don't you & the two L's get together form a website & debate amongst yourselfs as then your always be right. OH! I see your friend Ian Woodland has taken another group of city workers out on strike in Portsmouth blaming the councils intransigency pity he can't blame an Anti Workers Tory council this time as it's a Liberal council who knows next stop Eastleigh?
If you don't want to be accused of 'rambling on' then stop doing it! I'd like to know on exactly what point you think you have proved me wrong? I don't know who Ian Woodland is and have never met him, by definition, I don't think he can therefore be described as my 'friend'....
he was "UNITE'S VOICE" in the industrial action in this city & I thought you knew everything?(Unite Convenor)
Perhaps I'm not the Union 'lapdog' you think I am? Strange isn't it how you defeat your own argument and you don't even realise it.... You make such a big deal of the Labour/Union coalition in Southampton being responsible for the strikes over reductions in pay, yet, the same Union person is now organising strikes in Portsmouth where Labour is not in power? Honestly, your arguments (I won't call it debating because that would be an insult to debate) are ridiculous.
HAHAHA. no Labours not in power but in this city with redundancies Unite isn't calling for strikes why not?
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?[/p][/quote]Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....[/p][/quote]so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?[/p][/quote]Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.[/p][/quote]As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that![/p][/quote]I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.[/p][/quote]Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them[/p][/quote]Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.[/p][/quote]Ps. I called you a racist because you made a racist comment. Having a 'foreign' wife and friends from ethnic minorities does not alter that fact. That was a long time ago. Any attempt by you to link that to your recent behaviour is totally disingenuous.[/p][/quote]Since then I explained to you that post & you still called me a racist & many times you've called me names. You don't live in this city you don't pay our council tax you don't get your bins collected from our refuse collectors so why are you coming to a councils defence who you never voted for or face the consequences of it's actions? But you do don't you? you had your pay restored with jobs lost to pay for it .you are getting a yearly pay rise paid for by people who won't be getting a pay rise but will see their council tax to pay for your rise, from a council that bleats on about a lower cut in it's budget than the Tories had planned for. How on earth can this council justify spending millions on restoring pay & giving pay rises whilst cutting jobs & services? Sorry but you are nothing but a hypocrite! Please show me written evidence that when British crews were on the cruise ships Noro virus was such a problem? As I've told you my father brothers & cousins all were on them but lost their jobs to low paid foreign workers & since that day this virus seems to be getting worse is it the quality of the crew or is it a new cleaning policy by the cruise ships now if that makes me a racist then so be it[/p][/quote]Ok. Firstly, no 'pay rises', 'pay restoration', there is a difference. Secondly, why don't you provide some evidence that Novovirus was documented or even existed 30 years ago....[/p][/quote]30 years ago? I'm 56 -57 & my family worked on the cruise ships when I was born so again you call me racist & expect me to treat you like a lady? NO way I'm not a racist & I know exactly what hypocrites socialists/shop stewards are![/p][/quote]Dear god the ramblings get worse by the day.... How have I called you racist again? I gave the timespan if 30 years because it was round about then that British crew numbers started to seriously decline on UK based cruise ships. But surely you know that don't you?[/p][/quote]here you go again! do you & Lone Ranger sit down & work out what your going to say? If this is your idea of a debate to slag me down at every opportunity & when I prove your so so wrong then why don't you & the two L's get together form a website & debate amongst yourselfs as then your always be right. OH! I see your friend Ian Woodland has taken another group of city workers out on strike in Portsmouth blaming the councils intransigency pity he can't blame an Anti Workers Tory council this time as it's a Liberal council who knows next stop Eastleigh?[/p][/quote]If you don't want to be accused of 'rambling on' then stop doing it! I'd like to know on exactly what point you think you have proved me wrong? I don't know who Ian Woodland is and have never met him, by definition, I don't think he can therefore be described as my 'friend'....[/p][/quote]he was "UNITE'S VOICE" in the industrial action in this city & I thought you knew everything?(Unite Convenor)[/p][/quote]Perhaps I'm not the Union 'lapdog' you think I am? Strange isn't it how you defeat your own argument and you don't even realise it.... You make such a big deal of the Labour/Union coalition in Southampton being responsible for the strikes over reductions in pay, yet, the same Union person is now organising strikes in Portsmouth where Labour is not in power? Honestly, your arguments (I won't call it debating because that would be an insult to debate) are ridiculous.[/p][/quote]HAHAHA. no Labours not in power but in this city with redundancies Unite isn't calling for strikes why not? loosehead

12:23am Sat 28 Dec 13

thinklikealocal says...

loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
thinklikealocal wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Saintly Sam wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.
They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?
Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....
so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?
Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.
As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that!
I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.
Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them
Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.
Ps. I called you a racist because you made a racist comment. Having a 'foreign' wife and friends from ethnic minorities does not alter that fact. That was a long time ago. Any attempt by you to link that to your recent behaviour is totally disingenuous.
Since then I explained to you that post & you still called me a racist & many times you've called me names. You don't live in this city you don't pay our council tax you don't get your bins collected from our refuse collectors so why are you coming to a councils defence who you never voted for or face the consequences of it's actions? But you do don't you? you had your pay restored with jobs lost to pay for it .you are getting a yearly pay rise paid for by people who won't be getting a pay rise but will see their council tax to pay for your rise, from a council that bleats on about a lower cut in it's budget than the Tories had planned for. How on earth can this council justify spending millions on restoring pay & giving pay rises whilst cutting jobs & services? Sorry but you are nothing but a hypocrite! Please show me written evidence that when British crews were on the cruise ships Noro virus was such a problem? As I've told you my father brothers & cousins all were on them but lost their jobs to low paid foreign workers & since that day this virus seems to be getting worse is it the quality of the crew or is it a new cleaning policy by the cruise ships now if that makes me a racist then so be it
Ok. Firstly, no 'pay rises', 'pay restoration', there is a difference. Secondly, why don't you provide some evidence that Novovirus was documented or even existed 30 years ago....
30 years ago? I'm 56 -57 & my family worked on the cruise ships when I was born so again you call me racist & expect me to treat you like a lady? NO way I'm not a racist & I know exactly what hypocrites socialists/shop stewards are!
Dear god the ramblings get worse by the day.... How have I called you racist again? I gave the timespan if 30 years because it was round about then that British crew numbers started to seriously decline on UK based cruise ships. But surely you know that don't you?
here you go again! do you & Lone Ranger sit down & work out what your going to say? If this is your idea of a debate to slag me down at every opportunity & when I prove your so so wrong then why don't you & the two L's get together form a website & debate amongst yourselfs as then your always be right. OH! I see your friend Ian Woodland has taken another group of city workers out on strike in Portsmouth blaming the councils intransigency pity he can't blame an Anti Workers Tory council this time as it's a Liberal council who knows next stop Eastleigh?
If you don't want to be accused of 'rambling on' then stop doing it! I'd like to know on exactly what point you think you have proved me wrong? I don't know who Ian Woodland is and have never met him, by definition, I don't think he can therefore be described as my 'friend'....
he was "UNITE'S VOICE" in the industrial action in this city & I thought you knew everything?(Unite Convenor)
Perhaps I'm not the Union 'lapdog' you think I am? Strange isn't it how you defeat your own argument and you don't even realise it.... You make such a big deal of the Labour/Union coalition in Southampton being responsible for the strikes over reductions in pay, yet, the same Union person is now organising strikes in Portsmouth where Labour is not in power? Honestly, your arguments (I won't call it debating because that would be an insult to debate) are ridiculous.
HAHAHA. no Labours not in power but in this city with redundancies Unite isn't calling for strikes why not?
Well, I don't need to call you an idiot any more because you have just proved it all on your own :)
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintly Sam[/bold] wrote: Some time ago the council stopped collecting green waste, saying that they would be collecting glass instead, well we are still paying the same council tax but they have yet to start collecting glass. As for these new rules. they are being drawn up by petty minded functionaries with ideas above their station, and come the next council elections they will be (hopefully) gone, voted out by the tax payers they are trying to screw over.[/p][/quote]They're not collecting glass what they've done is put a lot of bins out(communal) given us what must be an expensive plastic shopping bag & we have to take our glass to the bins! Why is it they have £8million for refuse collection this glass collection yet the monies saved by the council out of it's budget has disappeared? money must have been put to one side to pay for it in case the grant wasn't approved so where did that money go?[/p][/quote]Who collects the glass from the communal bins? The grant is paying for more than the glass collection, and no, there were no monies put aside for any of the projects, they simply would not have happened if the grant had not been won. We have been living with fortnightly collections and most of these rules quite happily/successfully in Eastleigh for many years. I really cannot understand what the issue is....[/p][/quote]so how much is earned for the glass ? are you telling me there's no pay back for it? I never said for the projects I asked the question "where did the money from the councils budget set aside for refuse collection go" As surely as this council never knew if they'd get the grant the refuse collection budget must have been covered?[/p][/quote]Look idiot. There was a grant available to any Council who wanted it the only qualification being to keep weekly bin collections if you had them. Every Council who applied could get this grant there was no element of doubt about whether it would be paid or not. The other grant was via a bid system for projects to increase recycling initiatives. Only Council's with a sound project outline got the funding. This grant is for projects over and above anything previously happening, such as glass collection. So no, this grant does not pay for bog standard refuse collection. Comprende? I doubt it.[/p][/quote]As soon as I read Idiot I switched off. No need for that![/p][/quote]I'm afraid I find LH very frustrating because he takes small peices of information that he doesn't understand and makes sweeping statements about things that are inaccurate - repeatedly! Until recently, everything I posted he replied with the starting words 'labour attack dog' so I really don't think he deserves your sympathy.[/p][/quote]Idiot? who actually applied for this grant? who kept on at Pickles to grant it? who were thanked by the Labour council for their part in getting this grant? TORIES that's who! So come on why was this council waiting to see if they got this grant before deciding on weekly or fortnightly collections? As surely it shouldn't have mattered if your correct? I called you a Labour Attack Dog after you called me a racist I who's wife is Thai & who has many friends of all ethnic back grounds . You along with other posters on here constantly attack me you even cried to Ironlady saying you weren't going to post again & I this evil man apologised & said don't stop let's debate but you are so Anti Tory you can't be in a fair & open debate can you? Tell me didn't you read Williams article saying about the cut in jobs & services Labour would make if elected only to then deny saying it? But then actually putting that article into practice? That's why I'll rip into this Lying Labour Council & any one who has the audacity to defend them[/p][/quote]Audacity? Try Democracy. As I have said many times, staff at the Council were well aware that regardless of who was elected there would be job losses. Nothing to do with local politics but rather more to do with national politics and the decisions taken in Westminster to cut funding for Local Government. As I have said, your problem is not the party you support, but your basic ignorance about what is really happening.[/p][/quote]Ps. I called you a racist because you made a racist comment. Having a 'foreign' wife and friends from ethnic minorities does not alter that fact. That was a long time ago. Any attempt by you to link that to your recent behaviour is totally disingenuous.[/p][/quote]Since then I explained to you that post & you still called me a racist & many times you've called me names. You don't live in this city you don't pay our council tax you don't get your bins collected from our refuse collectors so why are you coming to a councils defence who you never voted for or face the consequences of it's actions? But you do don't you? you had your pay restored with jobs lost to pay for it .you are getting a yearly pay rise paid for by people who won't be getting a pay rise but will see their council tax to pay for your rise, from a council that bleats on about a lower cut in it's budget than the Tories had planned for. How on earth can this council justify spending millions on restoring pay & giving pay rises whilst cutting jobs & services? Sorry but you are nothing but a hypocrite! Please show me written evidence that when British crews were on the cruise ships Noro virus was such a problem? As I've told you my father brothers & cousins all were on them but lost their jobs to low paid foreign workers & since that day this virus seems to be getting worse is it the quality of the crew or is it a new cleaning policy by the cruise ships now if that makes me a racist then so be it[/p][/quote]Ok. Firstly, no 'pay rises', 'pay restoration', there is a difference. Secondly, why don't you provide some evidence that Novovirus was documented or even existed 30 years ago....[/p][/quote]30 years ago? I'm 56 -57 & my family worked on the cruise ships when I was born so again you call me racist & expect me to treat you like a lady? NO way I'm not a racist & I know exactly what hypocrites socialists/shop stewards are![/p][/quote]Dear god the ramblings get worse by the day.... How have I called you racist again? I gave the timespan if 30 years because it was round about then that British crew numbers started to seriously decline on UK based cruise ships. But surely you know that don't you?[/p][/quote]here you go again! do you & Lone Ranger sit down & work out what your going to say? If this is your idea of a debate to slag me down at every opportunity & when I prove your so so wrong then why don't you & the two L's get together form a website & debate amongst yourselfs as then your always be right. OH! I see your friend Ian Woodland has taken another group of city workers out on strike in Portsmouth blaming the councils intransigency pity he can't blame an Anti Workers Tory council this time as it's a Liberal council who knows next stop Eastleigh?[/p][/quote]If you don't want to be accused of 'rambling on' then stop doing it! I'd like to know on exactly what point you think you have proved me wrong? I don't know who Ian Woodland is and have never met him, by definition, I don't think he can therefore be described as my 'friend'....[/p][/quote]he was "UNITE'S VOICE" in the industrial action in this city & I thought you knew everything?(Unite Convenor)[/p][/quote]Perhaps I'm not the Union 'lapdog' you think I am? Strange isn't it how you defeat your own argument and you don't even realise it.... You make such a big deal of the Labour/Union coalition in Southampton being responsible for the strikes over reductions in pay, yet, the same Union person is now organising strikes in Portsmouth where Labour is not in power? Honestly, your arguments (I won't call it debating because that would be an insult to debate) are ridiculous.[/p][/quote]HAHAHA. no Labours not in power but in this city with redundancies Unite isn't calling for strikes why not?[/p][/quote]Well, I don't need to call you an idiot any more because you have just proved it all on your own :) thinklikealocal

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