Firefighters on strike tonight

Daily Echo: Firefighters on strike tonight Firefighters on strike tonight

Firefighters in England and Wales will walk out on strike between 7pm and midnight tonight in their long running dispute with the government over pensions.

Earlier in the day, Fire Brigades Union officials are due to meet Fire Minister, Brandon Lewis, after he agreed to discuss the dispute for the first time since October 18.

FBU General Secretary, Matt Wrack, said: “Firefighters on duty over the festive period don’t have much to celebrate this year and tonight’s strikes will remind the government of the service we provide 24 hour a day, 365 days a year, every year of our careers.

“Nobody wants these strikes but firefighters remain extremely angry over the prospect of being priced out of their pensions and facing the sack owing to the government’s ludicrous pretence that men and women of 60 can meet the same fitness standards as 20 year olds.

“The government at Westminster has acknowledged our concerns but not done anything to seriously address them, so we welcome the chance to meet the government and hope this afternoon’s meeting provides a genuine dialogue.”

The union says most firefighters who take home approximately £1,650 a month already pay £320 or more a month into their pensions, and from April 2014 this would rise for the third year in a row to over £340 a month (£4,000 a year), with many facing a fourth consecutive rise of 2.2% in 2015.

The union also claims that evidence suggests at least two thirds of the current workforce will face either dismissal from the fire service or a reduction in their pensions of almost half because they are unable to maintain the fitness standards required by the fire service beyond the age of 55.

As a result of a meeting between the Fire Minister and FBU officials on 18 October, firefighters suspended the next day's strike, although industrial action resumed after the minister’s “promising words failed to turn into concrete assurances.”

The current threat of storms and floods has once again highlight the valuable and wide-ranging job firefighters do.

The union has already reached agreement with the government and with fire services across England and Wales on the recall to duty of striking firefighters in the event of major emergency incidents which might lead to large numbers of people being put at serious risk.

Firefighters have the fundamental lawful right to strike and so the criteria for such a recall is very strict, with the union warning that the mechanism should not be abused.

These agreements mean that in certain circumstances striking firefighters would immediately return to work on a voluntary basis.

Such agreements are in place in all parts of England and Wales apart from Essex, where the Chief Fire Officer has stated that he does not want any such agreement and so does not want striking firefighters to return to work even in the event of a major emergency threatening major loss of life.

Matt Wrack said, “It seems bizarre that the Essex Chief Fire Officer is the only one to snub such an agreement especially as the government has placed such importance on them being in place for public safety.”

Further strikes are scheduled between 6.30pm on Tuesday 31 December and 12.30am on Wednesday 1 January and 6.30am and 8.30am on Friday 3 January.

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12:19pm Tue 24 Dec 13

jonnyx says...

good luck to the firefighters in their pension dispute. always a difficult decision to withdraw your labour.
good luck to the firefighters in their pension dispute. always a difficult decision to withdraw your labour. jonnyx

1:09pm Tue 24 Dec 13

southy says...

jonnyx wrote:
good luck to the firefighters in their pension dispute. always a difficult decision to withdraw your labour.
Agreed
Its time we the people took government from the professional politicians, its one big lie by Thatcher when she said if you want the best then you have to pay for it, the problem we not getting the best all we getting in government is self serving MP's and Lords, who thinks about them self,s and there rich friends and with that comes Corruption on a grand scale, we never had such a Corrupt Government before it even breaks the 1920-30's Governments on Corruption
[quote][p][bold]jonnyx[/bold] wrote: good luck to the firefighters in their pension dispute. always a difficult decision to withdraw your labour.[/p][/quote]Agreed Its time we the people took government from the professional politicians, its one big lie by Thatcher when she said if you want the best then you have to pay for it, the problem we not getting the best all we getting in government is self serving MP's and Lords, who thinks about them self,s and there rich friends and with that comes Corruption on a grand scale, we never had such a Corrupt Government before it even breaks the 1920-30's Governments on Corruption southy

1:27pm Tue 24 Dec 13

peasant says...

Good luck to all our firefighters and a merry festive celebration to all 999 workers and NHS employees!

Don't let the bar stewards grind you down!!
Good luck to all our firefighters and a merry festive celebration to all 999 workers and NHS employees! Don't let the bar stewards grind you down!! peasant

2:14pm Tue 24 Dec 13

issacchunt says...

we'll see how quick you change your tune if you need them while they strike, many ways to express dissatisfaction but it's only the huge ego's of the fire service that actually put all our lives at risk by striking.

Police, ambulance and army never strike, during the last strike a man actually died in a fire in London. Trump card has been played and failed, public support is slipping away.

Find another way to protest but don't keep striking, you will gain much more public support that way. Your union is playing an emotive card which will only damage the service further.
we'll see how quick you change your tune if you need them while they strike, many ways to express dissatisfaction but it's only the huge ego's of the fire service that actually put all our lives at risk by striking. Police, ambulance and army never strike, during the last strike a man actually died in a fire in London. Trump card has been played and failed, public support is slipping away. Find another way to protest but don't keep striking, you will gain much more public support that way. Your union is playing an emotive card which will only damage the service further. issacchunt

2:24pm Tue 24 Dec 13

loosehead says...

So with huge chunks of the South flooded with trees down this is a good time to go on strike & get the public on your side?
I don't think working to at least 6years less than anyone else is to much to ask yet the union does?
Surely in most services fitness tests take into consideration age & there are jobs on the front line older fire fighters can do so why aren't these measures being negotiated instead of "we Won't do it STRIKE"
I hope they aren't flooded out tonight!
So with huge chunks of the South flooded with trees down this is a good time to go on strike & get the public on your side? I don't think working to at least 6years less than anyone else is to much to ask yet the union does? Surely in most services fitness tests take into consideration age & there are jobs on the front line older fire fighters can do so why aren't these measures being negotiated instead of "we Won't do it STRIKE" I hope they aren't flooded out tonight! loosehead

2:37pm Tue 24 Dec 13

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
So with huge chunks of the South flooded with trees down this is a good time to go on strike & get the public on your side?
I don't think working to at least 6years less than anyone else is to much to ask yet the union does?
Surely in most services fitness tests take into consideration age & there are jobs on the front line older fire fighters can do so why aren't these measures being negotiated instead of "we Won't do it STRIKE"
I hope they aren't flooded out tonight!
They are not on strike yet it starts at 7pm and finishes at 12-01 am. firefighters that reach 60 in the job most will end up unemployed, the retirement age is the same for firefighters as it is for you, me and most others.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So with huge chunks of the South flooded with trees down this is a good time to go on strike & get the public on your side? I don't think working to at least 6years less than anyone else is to much to ask yet the union does? Surely in most services fitness tests take into consideration age & there are jobs on the front line older fire fighters can do so why aren't these measures being negotiated instead of "we Won't do it STRIKE" I hope they aren't flooded out tonight![/p][/quote]They are not on strike yet it starts at 7pm and finishes at 12-01 am. firefighters that reach 60 in the job most will end up unemployed, the retirement age is the same for firefighters as it is for you, me and most others. southy

2:51pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Shoong says...

You don't need luck.

All you need is a minority vote in a minority turn out.
You don't need luck. All you need is a minority vote in a minority turn out. Shoong

3:44pm Tue 24 Dec 13

BerryMan says...

issacchunt wrote:
we'll see how quick you change your tune if you need them while they strike, many ways to express dissatisfaction but it's only the huge ego's of the fire service that actually put all our lives at risk by striking.

Police, ambulance and army never strike, during the last strike a man actually died in a fire in London. Trump card has been played and failed, public support is slipping away.

Find another way to protest but don't keep striking, you will gain much more public support that way. Your union is playing an emotive card which will only damage the service further.
Government haven't agreed to sit down and talk for two months! We have tried. Huge egos! You really do talk from your backside.
According to you we have numerous trump cards so what is our next one?
Maybe blame the unfortunate death in London on the government for not talking? With talks there would be no strikes. Anyway it was a death which apparently would not have been helped according to reports.
When will you ever take on board facts instead of peddling your drivel.
I remember you guaranteed we would strike on November 5th!
Merry Christmas and please help by staying safe.
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: we'll see how quick you change your tune if you need them while they strike, many ways to express dissatisfaction but it's only the huge ego's of the fire service that actually put all our lives at risk by striking. Police, ambulance and army never strike, during the last strike a man actually died in a fire in London. Trump card has been played and failed, public support is slipping away. Find another way to protest but don't keep striking, you will gain much more public support that way. Your union is playing an emotive card which will only damage the service further.[/p][/quote]Government haven't agreed to sit down and talk for two months! We have tried. Huge egos! You really do talk from your backside. According to you we have numerous trump cards so what is our next one? Maybe blame the unfortunate death in London on the government for not talking? With talks there would be no strikes. Anyway it was a death which apparently would not have been helped according to reports. When will you ever take on board facts instead of peddling your drivel. I remember you guaranteed we would strike on November 5th! Merry Christmas and please help by staying safe. BerryMan

7:41pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

BerryMan wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
we'll see how quick you change your tune if you need them while they strike, many ways to express dissatisfaction but it's only the huge ego's of the fire service that actually put all our lives at risk by striking.

Police, ambulance and army never strike, during the last strike a man actually died in a fire in London. Trump card has been played and failed, public support is slipping away.

Find another way to protest but don't keep striking, you will gain much more public support that way. Your union is playing an emotive card which will only damage the service further.
Government haven't agreed to sit down and talk for two months! We have tried. Huge egos! You really do talk from your backside.
According to you we have numerous trump cards so what is our next one?
Maybe blame the unfortunate death in London on the government for not talking? With talks there would be no strikes. Anyway it was a death which apparently would not have been helped according to reports.
When will you ever take on board facts instead of peddling your drivel.
I remember you guaranteed we would strike on November 5th!
Merry Christmas and please help by staying safe.
100% correct ..... Good Luck
[quote][p][bold]BerryMan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: we'll see how quick you change your tune if you need them while they strike, many ways to express dissatisfaction but it's only the huge ego's of the fire service that actually put all our lives at risk by striking. Police, ambulance and army never strike, during the last strike a man actually died in a fire in London. Trump card has been played and failed, public support is slipping away. Find another way to protest but don't keep striking, you will gain much more public support that way. Your union is playing an emotive card which will only damage the service further.[/p][/quote]Government haven't agreed to sit down and talk for two months! We have tried. Huge egos! You really do talk from your backside. According to you we have numerous trump cards so what is our next one? Maybe blame the unfortunate death in London on the government for not talking? With talks there would be no strikes. Anyway it was a death which apparently would not have been helped according to reports. When will you ever take on board facts instead of peddling your drivel. I remember you guaranteed we would strike on November 5th! Merry Christmas and please help by staying safe.[/p][/quote]100% correct ..... Good Luck Lone Ranger.

11:06pm Tue 24 Dec 13

issacchunt says...

Yeah, a day out november 4th was'nt it. Either way a foolhardy and emotive time to strike. Good you concede someone sadly lost their life but its not the government that did'nt turn out is it now?

Please all read the words of the Essex fire chiefs view of the new years eve strike. Hero's don't strike, if it's just a job then you should work longer like the rest of us.

you fitness train every shift, 60 isn't that old. Face the facts and stop endangering the public.
Yeah, a day out november 4th was'nt it. Either way a foolhardy and emotive time to strike. Good you concede someone sadly lost their life but its not the government that did'nt turn out is it now? Please all read the words of the Essex fire chiefs view of the new years eve strike. Hero's don't strike, if it's just a job then you should work longer like the rest of us. you fitness train every shift, 60 isn't that old. Face the facts and stop endangering the public. issacchunt

8:30am Wed 25 Dec 13

loosehead says...

BerryMan wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
we'll see how quick you change your tune if you need them while they strike, many ways to express dissatisfaction but it's only the huge ego's of the fire service that actually put all our lives at risk by striking.

Police, ambulance and army never strike, during the last strike a man actually died in a fire in London. Trump card has been played and failed, public support is slipping away.

Find another way to protest but don't keep striking, you will gain much more public support that way. Your union is playing an emotive card which will only damage the service further.
Government haven't agreed to sit down and talk for two months! We have tried. Huge egos! You really do talk from your backside.
According to you we have numerous trump cards so what is our next one?
Maybe blame the unfortunate death in London on the government for not talking? With talks there would be no strikes. Anyway it was a death which apparently would not have been helped according to reports.
When will you ever take on board facts instead of peddling your drivel.
I remember you guaranteed we would strike on November 5th!
Merry Christmas and please help by staying safe.
sorry but you came to a deal with Scotland & the same offer was on the Table from Westminster so why didn't you take it?
Also I retired/redundant at 49 I received my company pension at 50 are you telling me you don't get yours until your 66 like every one else who only get state pensions?
or are you telling me you don't think your pension fund is big enough?
Come on I know that any one can keep their levels of fitness up I go to the gym at least three times a week & I'm 57 (Jan) so why not ask for talks & see if there are jobs the older workers can do at 60? maybe man the calls?pumps? platform?
[quote][p][bold]BerryMan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: we'll see how quick you change your tune if you need them while they strike, many ways to express dissatisfaction but it's only the huge ego's of the fire service that actually put all our lives at risk by striking. Police, ambulance and army never strike, during the last strike a man actually died in a fire in London. Trump card has been played and failed, public support is slipping away. Find another way to protest but don't keep striking, you will gain much more public support that way. Your union is playing an emotive card which will only damage the service further.[/p][/quote]Government haven't agreed to sit down and talk for two months! We have tried. Huge egos! You really do talk from your backside. According to you we have numerous trump cards so what is our next one? Maybe blame the unfortunate death in London on the government for not talking? With talks there would be no strikes. Anyway it was a death which apparently would not have been helped according to reports. When will you ever take on board facts instead of peddling your drivel. I remember you guaranteed we would strike on November 5th! Merry Christmas and please help by staying safe.[/p][/quote]sorry but you came to a deal with Scotland & the same offer was on the Table from Westminster so why didn't you take it? Also I retired/redundant at 49 I received my company pension at 50 are you telling me you don't get yours until your 66 like every one else who only get state pensions? or are you telling me you don't think your pension fund is big enough? Come on I know that any one can keep their levels of fitness up I go to the gym at least three times a week & I'm 57 (Jan) so why not ask for talks & see if there are jobs the older workers can do at 60? maybe man the calls?pumps? platform? loosehead

10:21am Wed 25 Dec 13

bobbo1 says...

firemen knew the job and risks when they took it,get real we would all like to retire at 55 but we cannot,and neither should firemen,if not fit get fit or get out,WITHOUT pension until 65
firemen knew the job and risks when they took it,get real we would all like to retire at 55 but we cannot,and neither should firemen,if not fit get fit or get out,WITHOUT pension until 65 bobbo1

7:19pm Wed 25 Dec 13

good-gosh says...

What a lot of nonsense that they are too old to work at 60.. Active men are fit till they are 70 these days and they ain't going to change between 55 to 60. The agro here is that they want their payoff pensions at 55 so they can then carry on working elsewhere and be paid twice. Nothing wrong with that when that was the rules but don’t forget it was the taxpayers paying when there was loads of cash for everything. Blame Labour for screwing it all up, not the Conservatives for pulling it back into a manageable economy.
What a lot of nonsense that they are too old to work at 60.. Active men are fit till they are 70 these days and they ain't going to change between 55 to 60. The agro here is that they want their payoff pensions at 55 so they can then carry on working elsewhere and be paid twice. Nothing wrong with that when that was the rules but don’t forget it was the taxpayers paying when there was loads of cash for everything. Blame Labour for screwing it all up, not the Conservatives for pulling it back into a manageable economy. good-gosh

10:35am Thu 26 Dec 13

Superior Being says...

issacchunt wrote:
we'll see how quick you change your tune if you need them while they strike, many ways to express dissatisfaction but it's only the huge ego's of the fire service that actually put all our lives at risk by striking.

Police, ambulance and army never strike, during the last strike a man actually died in a fire in London. Trump card has been played and failed, public support is slipping away.

Find another way to protest but don't keep striking, you will gain much more public support that way. Your union is playing an emotive card which will only damage the service further.
How would you feel if you were trapped in a house on fire, and unfortunately because people like you backed the government you get 2 60 year old firefighters in there to pull you out.

The government have made their own research into the decline with age and themselves discovered most would not be able to cope with the hard conditions at that age.............but it's ok because issacchunt says bow down and accept everything that the government throws at the fire brigades across the nation.

What would you honestly do if you were sold a contract and half way through was told you now had to pay more every month. pay it longer and get far less by the end of the contract. If you honestly think you would accept it and bow down then you my friend obviously are just pure weak.

Brandon lewis has started this fight, just to make a name for himself to further his career..........he has literally ruined hundreds of thousands of lives, but the firefighters are standing up and fighting back.
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: we'll see how quick you change your tune if you need them while they strike, many ways to express dissatisfaction but it's only the huge ego's of the fire service that actually put all our lives at risk by striking. Police, ambulance and army never strike, during the last strike a man actually died in a fire in London. Trump card has been played and failed, public support is slipping away. Find another way to protest but don't keep striking, you will gain much more public support that way. Your union is playing an emotive card which will only damage the service further.[/p][/quote]How would you feel if you were trapped in a house on fire, and unfortunately because people like you backed the government you get 2 60 year old firefighters in there to pull you out. The government have made their own research into the decline with age and themselves discovered most would not be able to cope with the hard conditions at that age.............but it's ok because issacchunt says bow down and accept everything that the government throws at the fire brigades across the nation. What would you honestly do if you were sold a contract and half way through was told you now had to pay more every month. pay it longer and get far less by the end of the contract. If you honestly think you would accept it and bow down then you my friend obviously are just pure weak. Brandon lewis has started this fight, just to make a name for himself to further his career..........he has literally ruined hundreds of thousands of lives, but the firefighters are standing up and fighting back. Superior Being

10:46am Thu 26 Dec 13

Superior Being says...

loosehead wrote:
So with huge chunks of the South flooded with trees down this is a good time to go on strike & get the public on your side?
I don't think working to at least 6years less than anyone else is to much to ask yet the union does?
Surely in most services fitness tests take into consideration age & there are jobs on the front line older fire fighters can do so why aren't these measures being negotiated instead of "we Won't do it STRIKE"
I hope they aren't flooded out tonight!
Have you seen the research done by the government themselves??
How it states those 5 extra years will be extremely dangerous and so much harder to fulfill the roles of going into a building on fire the can burn at 1000oC.............b
ut it's ok, i'm sure you really know what you're talking about, you're not just spouting for the sake of it.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So with huge chunks of the South flooded with trees down this is a good time to go on strike & get the public on your side? I don't think working to at least 6years less than anyone else is to much to ask yet the union does? Surely in most services fitness tests take into consideration age & there are jobs on the front line older fire fighters can do so why aren't these measures being negotiated instead of "we Won't do it STRIKE" I hope they aren't flooded out tonight![/p][/quote]Have you seen the research done by the government themselves?? How it states those 5 extra years will be extremely dangerous and so much harder to fulfill the roles of going into a building on fire the can burn at 1000oC.............b ut it's ok, i'm sure you really know what you're talking about, you're not just spouting for the sake of it. Superior Being

10:54am Thu 26 Dec 13

Superior Being says...

issacchunt wrote:
Yeah, a day out november 4th was'nt it. Either way a foolhardy and emotive time to strike. Good you concede someone sadly lost their life but its not the government that did'nt turn out is it now?

Please all read the words of the Essex fire chiefs view of the new years eve strike. Hero's don't strike, if it's just a job then you should work longer like the rest of us.

you fitness train every shift, 60 isn't that old. Face the facts and stop endangering the public.
fitness train every shift...............
what are you on about.........2 hours a wekk are allowed for personal training.

you are taking words from the chief of essex as gods words are you?? 1 man who receives around £150,000 a year salary that will never have to worry about his future........you are picking and choosing what to believe, you are not believing the facts.

im going to guess you vote Tory??
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Yeah, a day out november 4th was'nt it. Either way a foolhardy and emotive time to strike. Good you concede someone sadly lost their life but its not the government that did'nt turn out is it now? Please all read the words of the Essex fire chiefs view of the new years eve strike. Hero's don't strike, if it's just a job then you should work longer like the rest of us. you fitness train every shift, 60 isn't that old. Face the facts and stop endangering the public.[/p][/quote]fitness train every shift............... what are you on about.........2 hours a wekk are allowed for personal training. you are taking words from the chief of essex as gods words are you?? 1 man who receives around £150,000 a year salary that will never have to worry about his future........you are picking and choosing what to believe, you are not believing the facts. im going to guess you vote Tory?? Superior Being

11:00am Thu 26 Dec 13

Superior Being says...

loosehead wrote:
BerryMan wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
we'll see how quick you change your tune if you need them while they strike, many ways to express dissatisfaction but it's only the huge ego's of the fire service that actually put all our lives at risk by striking.

Police, ambulance and army never strike, during the last strike a man actually died in a fire in London. Trump card has been played and failed, public support is slipping away.

Find another way to protest but don't keep striking, you will gain much more public support that way. Your union is playing an emotive card which will only damage the service further.
Government haven't agreed to sit down and talk for two months! We have tried. Huge egos! You really do talk from your backside.
According to you we have numerous trump cards so what is our next one?
Maybe blame the unfortunate death in London on the government for not talking? With talks there would be no strikes. Anyway it was a death which apparently would not have been helped according to reports.
When will you ever take on board facts instead of peddling your drivel.
I remember you guaranteed we would strike on November 5th!
Merry Christmas and please help by staying safe.
sorry but you came to a deal with Scotland & the same offer was on the Table from Westminster so why didn't you take it?
Also I retired/redundant at 49 I received my company pension at 50 are you telling me you don't get yours until your 66 like every one else who only get state pensions?
or are you telling me you don't think your pension fund is big enough?
Come on I know that any one can keep their levels of fitness up I go to the gym at least three times a week & I'm 57 (Jan) so why not ask for talks & see if there are jobs the older workers can do at 60? maybe man the calls?pumps? platform?
clearly from this comment you haven't taken time to learn all the facts......the government promised for those who cannot fulfil the fitness requirements at that age will be put into office work.........it has now been proven that across the whole country there are 16 jobs in total that this can be applied to.

we get 2 hours a week for personal fitness at work, believe it or not firefighters have a family, wives, girlfriends, children.......not everyone can spend their private time in the gym.

now to the point of age of receiving pension........did you pay 14% of your monthly wage into your pension pot to then be told you probably won't get it when you retire if you don't maintain your fitness.........PLEA
SE LEARN THE FACTS
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BerryMan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: we'll see how quick you change your tune if you need them while they strike, many ways to express dissatisfaction but it's only the huge ego's of the fire service that actually put all our lives at risk by striking. Police, ambulance and army never strike, during the last strike a man actually died in a fire in London. Trump card has been played and failed, public support is slipping away. Find another way to protest but don't keep striking, you will gain much more public support that way. Your union is playing an emotive card which will only damage the service further.[/p][/quote]Government haven't agreed to sit down and talk for two months! We have tried. Huge egos! You really do talk from your backside. According to you we have numerous trump cards so what is our next one? Maybe blame the unfortunate death in London on the government for not talking? With talks there would be no strikes. Anyway it was a death which apparently would not have been helped according to reports. When will you ever take on board facts instead of peddling your drivel. I remember you guaranteed we would strike on November 5th! Merry Christmas and please help by staying safe.[/p][/quote]sorry but you came to a deal with Scotland & the same offer was on the Table from Westminster so why didn't you take it? Also I retired/redundant at 49 I received my company pension at 50 are you telling me you don't get yours until your 66 like every one else who only get state pensions? or are you telling me you don't think your pension fund is big enough? Come on I know that any one can keep their levels of fitness up I go to the gym at least three times a week & I'm 57 (Jan) so why not ask for talks & see if there are jobs the older workers can do at 60? maybe man the calls?pumps? platform?[/p][/quote]clearly from this comment you haven't taken time to learn all the facts......the government promised for those who cannot fulfil the fitness requirements at that age will be put into office work.........it has now been proven that across the whole country there are 16 jobs in total that this can be applied to. we get 2 hours a week for personal fitness at work, believe it or not firefighters have a family, wives, girlfriends, children.......not everyone can spend their private time in the gym. now to the point of age of receiving pension........did you pay 14% of your monthly wage into your pension pot to then be told you probably won't get it when you retire if you don't maintain your fitness.........PLEA SE LEARN THE FACTS Superior Being

11:03am Thu 26 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

Quote "fire fighters do not get paid over £30,000"
competent (fire service uses this term) fire fighters £28,766

This obviously will not include overtime and all the other allowances they can claim
Quote "fire fighters do not get paid over £30,000" competent (fire service uses this term) fire fighters £28,766 This obviously will not include overtime and all the other allowances they can claim Dr Martin

1:25pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

Superior Being wrote:
loosehead wrote:
BerryMan wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
we'll see how quick you change your tune if you need them while they strike, many ways to express dissatisfaction but it's only the huge ego's of the fire service that actually put all our lives at risk by striking.

Police, ambulance and army never strike, during the last strike a man actually died in a fire in London. Trump card has been played and failed, public support is slipping away.

Find another way to protest but don't keep striking, you will gain much more public support that way. Your union is playing an emotive card which will only damage the service further.
Government haven't agreed to sit down and talk for two months! We have tried. Huge egos! You really do talk from your backside.
According to you we have numerous trump cards so what is our next one?
Maybe blame the unfortunate death in London on the government for not talking? With talks there would be no strikes. Anyway it was a death which apparently would not have been helped according to reports.
When will you ever take on board facts instead of peddling your drivel.
I remember you guaranteed we would strike on November 5th!
Merry Christmas and please help by staying safe.
sorry but you came to a deal with Scotland & the same offer was on the Table from Westminster so why didn't you take it?
Also I retired/redundant at 49 I received my company pension at 50 are you telling me you don't get yours until your 66 like every one else who only get state pensions?
or are you telling me you don't think your pension fund is big enough?
Come on I know that any one can keep their levels of fitness up I go to the gym at least three times a week & I'm 57 (Jan) so why not ask for talks & see if there are jobs the older workers can do at 60? maybe man the calls?pumps? platform?
clearly from this comment you haven't taken time to learn all the facts......the government promised for those who cannot fulfil the fitness requirements at that age will be put into office work.........it has now been proven that across the whole country there are 16 jobs in total that this can be applied to.

we get 2 hours a week for personal fitness at work, believe it or not firefighters have a family, wives, girlfriends, children.......not everyone can spend their private time in the gym.

now to the point of age of receiving pension........did you pay 14% of your monthly wage into your pension pot to then be told you probably won't get it when you retire if you don't maintain your fitness.........PLEA

SE LEARN THE FACTS
Dont worry he wont let the facts get in the way of his inaccurate rants
[quote][p][bold]Superior Being[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BerryMan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: we'll see how quick you change your tune if you need them while they strike, many ways to express dissatisfaction but it's only the huge ego's of the fire service that actually put all our lives at risk by striking. Police, ambulance and army never strike, during the last strike a man actually died in a fire in London. Trump card has been played and failed, public support is slipping away. Find another way to protest but don't keep striking, you will gain much more public support that way. Your union is playing an emotive card which will only damage the service further.[/p][/quote]Government haven't agreed to sit down and talk for two months! We have tried. Huge egos! You really do talk from your backside. According to you we have numerous trump cards so what is our next one? Maybe blame the unfortunate death in London on the government for not talking? With talks there would be no strikes. Anyway it was a death which apparently would not have been helped according to reports. When will you ever take on board facts instead of peddling your drivel. I remember you guaranteed we would strike on November 5th! Merry Christmas and please help by staying safe.[/p][/quote]sorry but you came to a deal with Scotland & the same offer was on the Table from Westminster so why didn't you take it? Also I retired/redundant at 49 I received my company pension at 50 are you telling me you don't get yours until your 66 like every one else who only get state pensions? or are you telling me you don't think your pension fund is big enough? Come on I know that any one can keep their levels of fitness up I go to the gym at least three times a week & I'm 57 (Jan) so why not ask for talks & see if there are jobs the older workers can do at 60? maybe man the calls?pumps? platform?[/p][/quote]clearly from this comment you haven't taken time to learn all the facts......the government promised for those who cannot fulfil the fitness requirements at that age will be put into office work.........it has now been proven that across the whole country there are 16 jobs in total that this can be applied to. we get 2 hours a week for personal fitness at work, believe it or not firefighters have a family, wives, girlfriends, children.......not everyone can spend their private time in the gym. now to the point of age of receiving pension........did you pay 14% of your monthly wage into your pension pot to then be told you probably won't get it when you retire if you don't maintain your fitness.........PLEA SE LEARN THE FACTS[/p][/quote]Dont worry he wont let the facts get in the way of his inaccurate rants Lone Ranger.

7:31am Fri 27 Dec 13

loosehead says...

Superior Being wrote:
loosehead wrote:
BerryMan wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
we'll see how quick you change your tune if you need them while they strike, many ways to express dissatisfaction but it's only the huge ego's of the fire service that actually put all our lives at risk by striking.

Police, ambulance and army never strike, during the last strike a man actually died in a fire in London. Trump card has been played and failed, public support is slipping away.

Find another way to protest but don't keep striking, you will gain much more public support that way. Your union is playing an emotive card which will only damage the service further.
Government haven't agreed to sit down and talk for two months! We have tried. Huge egos! You really do talk from your backside.
According to you we have numerous trump cards so what is our next one?
Maybe blame the unfortunate death in London on the government for not talking? With talks there would be no strikes. Anyway it was a death which apparently would not have been helped according to reports.
When will you ever take on board facts instead of peddling your drivel.
I remember you guaranteed we would strike on November 5th!
Merry Christmas and please help by staying safe.
sorry but you came to a deal with Scotland & the same offer was on the Table from Westminster so why didn't you take it?
Also I retired/redundant at 49 I received my company pension at 50 are you telling me you don't get yours until your 66 like every one else who only get state pensions?
or are you telling me you don't think your pension fund is big enough?
Come on I know that any one can keep their levels of fitness up I go to the gym at least three times a week & I'm 57 (Jan) so why not ask for talks & see if there are jobs the older workers can do at 60? maybe man the calls?pumps? platform?
clearly from this comment you haven't taken time to learn all the facts......the government promised for those who cannot fulfil the fitness requirements at that age will be put into office work.........it has now been proven that across the whole country there are 16 jobs in total that this can be applied to.

we get 2 hours a week for personal fitness at work, believe it or not firefighters have a family, wives, girlfriends, children.......not everyone can spend their private time in the gym.

now to the point of age of receiving pension........did you pay 14% of your monthly wage into your pension pot to then be told you probably won't get it when you retire if you don't maintain your fitness.........PLEA

SE LEARN THE FACTS
thank you for that! My friend lorry drove for god knows how long he retired at 66 he paid more into a pension fund than14% of his earnings Brown came along & stole that money leaving him less than he had put in.
his wife has to continue working to make that money up.
YOU took on a job where health & fitness are paramount so if you didn't want to give up your time to exercise then why become a fireman/person?
I have the greatest respect for firemen but this industrial action is very wrong
[quote][p][bold]Superior Being[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BerryMan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: we'll see how quick you change your tune if you need them while they strike, many ways to express dissatisfaction but it's only the huge ego's of the fire service that actually put all our lives at risk by striking. Police, ambulance and army never strike, during the last strike a man actually died in a fire in London. Trump card has been played and failed, public support is slipping away. Find another way to protest but don't keep striking, you will gain much more public support that way. Your union is playing an emotive card which will only damage the service further.[/p][/quote]Government haven't agreed to sit down and talk for two months! We have tried. Huge egos! You really do talk from your backside. According to you we have numerous trump cards so what is our next one? Maybe blame the unfortunate death in London on the government for not talking? With talks there would be no strikes. Anyway it was a death which apparently would not have been helped according to reports. When will you ever take on board facts instead of peddling your drivel. I remember you guaranteed we would strike on November 5th! Merry Christmas and please help by staying safe.[/p][/quote]sorry but you came to a deal with Scotland & the same offer was on the Table from Westminster so why didn't you take it? Also I retired/redundant at 49 I received my company pension at 50 are you telling me you don't get yours until your 66 like every one else who only get state pensions? or are you telling me you don't think your pension fund is big enough? Come on I know that any one can keep their levels of fitness up I go to the gym at least three times a week & I'm 57 (Jan) so why not ask for talks & see if there are jobs the older workers can do at 60? maybe man the calls?pumps? platform?[/p][/quote]clearly from this comment you haven't taken time to learn all the facts......the government promised for those who cannot fulfil the fitness requirements at that age will be put into office work.........it has now been proven that across the whole country there are 16 jobs in total that this can be applied to. we get 2 hours a week for personal fitness at work, believe it or not firefighters have a family, wives, girlfriends, children.......not everyone can spend their private time in the gym. now to the point of age of receiving pension........did you pay 14% of your monthly wage into your pension pot to then be told you probably won't get it when you retire if you don't maintain your fitness.........PLEA SE LEARN THE FACTS[/p][/quote]thank you for that! My friend lorry drove for god knows how long he retired at 66 he paid more into a pension fund than14% of his earnings Brown came along & stole that money leaving him less than he had put in. his wife has to continue working to make that money up. YOU took on a job where health & fitness are paramount so if you didn't want to give up your time to exercise then why become a fireman/person? I have the greatest respect for firemen but this industrial action is very wrong loosehead

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