Cycling code of conduct launched for New Forest events

Daily Echo: Cycling code of conduct launched Cycling code of conduct launched

 THEY are at the centre of a bitter row questioning the future of mass cycle rides in the New Forest.

Controversial events such as the Wiggle rides have sparked fierce debates between organisers and Hampshire residents trying to protect the forest's rural way of life.

But cycling groups, conservationists, protestors and local authorities, have secured a major compromise after creating a New Forest Cycling code.

As previously reported the protestors claim the mass events - attracting up to 3,000 people - are causing unacceptable noise, damaging the environment and causing a menace to other road users in the National Park.

Tempers flared earlier this year during the Wiggle in April when someone sabotaged the event by placing tacks on the track at Boldre - puncturing some tyres.

Campaigners also vandalised around 1,000 route signs and angry motorists drove slowly to create a rolling roadblock.

Subsequent Wiggle events have passed off peacefully but police have also launched an investigation into whether the events are breaking the law by causing a public nuisance after complaints by villagers that cyclists are treating parts of the Forest as a public toilet.

The landmark code was drawn up by the Cycling Liaison Group following months of discussions with more than 20 organisations.

It features an 18-point agenda for biking both on-and off-road in the National Park to protect the environment and wildlife.

Points include:

• Strictly following the Highway Code, route maps and instructions to minimise impacts.

• Never riding more than two abreast, and strictly single file on narrow roads and tracks.

• Taking care when passing vehicles - especially larger ones with long trailers.

• Passing animals slowly and taking extra care near horses.

• Minimising noise, being polite to residents and not dropping litter.

New Forest National Park Authority recreation management and learning head Nigel Matthews, who chairs the group said: “This is a significant and welcome achievement following a great deal of careful thought and input from numerous organisations.

“In relatively few words, the code highlights the main aspects of cycling within the unique environment of the Forest about which we want to raise awareness.”

The liaison group is also working on a charter for event organisers and next meets in February and aims to finalise the charter by the spring.

Group members include British Cycling, CTC Hampshire Cycling, New Forest District Council, the Equine Forum, New Forest Tourism Association and the National Trust.

The group also includes Martin Barden, of UK Cycling Events, which organises the Wiggle ride. He declined to comment when contacted by the Daily Echo.

Log on to newforestnpa.gov.uk/cycling-code to view the code.

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7:26am Sat 28 Dec 13

Forest Resident says...

This pointless and misdirected 'cycling code' does absolutely nothing to enhance mutual respect upon New Forest roads. In the main cyclists kill no one, do not damage roads, and do not pollute, but yet despite all statistical data clearly showing motorists doing all of the above in the New Forest it is cyclists that are being wrongly vilified. The New Forest National Park Authority are clueless NIMBY's at best, shame on them for once again demonstrating such poor judgement.
This pointless and misdirected 'cycling code' does absolutely nothing to enhance mutual respect upon New Forest roads. In the main cyclists kill no one, do not damage roads, and do not pollute, but yet despite all statistical data clearly showing motorists doing all of the above in the New Forest it is cyclists that are being wrongly vilified. The New Forest National Park Authority are clueless NIMBY's at best, shame on them for once again demonstrating such poor judgement. Forest Resident

7:39am Sat 28 Dec 13

teamgreen says...

but will it be a law ?. how about a mass go slow from the cyclists just like the trucks and cars did when the fuel prices went up ?. good old nimbys lets just build a wall round the new forest to keep the oinks out.
but will it be a law ?. how about a mass go slow from the cyclists just like the trucks and cars did when the fuel prices went up ?. good old nimbys lets just build a wall round the new forest to keep the oinks out. teamgreen

7:45am Sat 28 Dec 13

userds5050 says...

teamgreen wrote:
but will it be a law ?. how about a mass go slow from the cyclists just like the trucks and cars did when the fuel prices went up ?. good old nimbys lets just build a wall round the new forest to keep the oinks out.
Asking people to adhere to the Highway code and stick to the approved route is hardy NIMBYism. This has got nothing to do with it being law or not. They can ban the whole thing in future if the code isn't kept to.
[quote][p][bold]teamgreen[/bold] wrote: but will it be a law ?. how about a mass go slow from the cyclists just like the trucks and cars did when the fuel prices went up ?. good old nimbys lets just build a wall round the new forest to keep the oinks out.[/p][/quote]Asking people to adhere to the Highway code and stick to the approved route is hardy NIMBYism. This has got nothing to do with it being law or not. They can ban the whole thing in future if the code isn't kept to. userds5050

8:03am Sat 28 Dec 13

country bird says...

It's a start !
It's a start ! country bird

8:10am Sat 28 Dec 13

teamgreen says...

then a code for the residents should be drawn up stating be nice to the cyclists not blocking roads with cars, not killing the animals in the forest with excess speed, ni muck or tacks on the road , not ripping down signage, stay at home when the rides are on to minimise road use. only fair in my book.
then a code for the residents should be drawn up stating be nice to the cyclists not blocking roads with cars, not killing the animals in the forest with excess speed, ni muck or tacks on the road , not ripping down signage, stay at home when the rides are on to minimise road use. only fair in my book. teamgreen

9:03am Sat 28 Dec 13

robj1969 says...

Forest Resident wrote:
This pointless and misdirected 'cycling code' does absolutely nothing to enhance mutual respect upon New Forest roads. In the main cyclists kill no one, do not damage roads, and do not pollute, but yet despite all statistical data clearly showing motorists doing all of the above in the New Forest it is cyclists that are being wrongly vilified. The New Forest National Park Authority are clueless NIMBY's at best, shame on them for once again demonstrating such poor judgement.
I like the "do not pollute"

I did an experiment riding up the hill of St Johns Road in Hedge End on a bike. My breathing (or huffing) was at least 6 times more than when I did a brisk walk up the same stretch and even more than that compared to me driving.

I worked out the Co2 emissions for me riding the bike was more than my car with 4 passengers breathing easy.....
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: This pointless and misdirected 'cycling code' does absolutely nothing to enhance mutual respect upon New Forest roads. In the main cyclists kill no one, do not damage roads, and do not pollute, but yet despite all statistical data clearly showing motorists doing all of the above in the New Forest it is cyclists that are being wrongly vilified. The New Forest National Park Authority are clueless NIMBY's at best, shame on them for once again demonstrating such poor judgement.[/p][/quote]I like the "do not pollute" I did an experiment riding up the hill of St Johns Road in Hedge End on a bike. My breathing (or huffing) was at least 6 times more than when I did a brisk walk up the same stretch and even more than that compared to me driving. I worked out the Co2 emissions for me riding the bike was more than my car with 4 passengers breathing easy..... robj1969

9:36am Sat 28 Dec 13

PeterM says...

robj1969 wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
This pointless and misdirected 'cycling code' does absolutely nothing to enhance mutual respect upon New Forest roads. In the main cyclists kill no one, do not damage roads, and do not pollute, but yet despite all statistical data clearly showing motorists doing all of the above in the New Forest it is cyclists that are being wrongly vilified. The New Forest National Park Authority are clueless NIMBY's at best, shame on them for once again demonstrating such poor judgement.
I like the "do not pollute"

I did an experiment riding up the hill of St Johns Road in Hedge End on a bike. My breathing (or huffing) was at least 6 times more than when I did a brisk walk up the same stretch and even more than that compared to me driving.

I worked out the Co2 emissions for me riding the bike was more than my car with 4 passengers breathing easy.....
But how much carbon monoxide did you produce on your bike? None, and in your car? The trees in the forest will convert the CO2 back to oxygen, but can't cope with the CO or other poisonous gases that your car chucks out.
[quote][p][bold]robj1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: This pointless and misdirected 'cycling code' does absolutely nothing to enhance mutual respect upon New Forest roads. In the main cyclists kill no one, do not damage roads, and do not pollute, but yet despite all statistical data clearly showing motorists doing all of the above in the New Forest it is cyclists that are being wrongly vilified. The New Forest National Park Authority are clueless NIMBY's at best, shame on them for once again demonstrating such poor judgement.[/p][/quote]I like the "do not pollute" I did an experiment riding up the hill of St Johns Road in Hedge End on a bike. My breathing (or huffing) was at least 6 times more than when I did a brisk walk up the same stretch and even more than that compared to me driving. I worked out the Co2 emissions for me riding the bike was more than my car with 4 passengers breathing easy.....[/p][/quote]But how much carbon monoxide did you produce on your bike? None, and in your car? The trees in the forest will convert the CO2 back to oxygen, but can't cope with the CO or other poisonous gases that your car chucks out. PeterM

10:01am Sat 28 Dec 13

freefinker says...

robj1969 wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
This pointless and misdirected 'cycling code' does absolutely nothing to enhance mutual respect upon New Forest roads. In the main cyclists kill no one, do not damage roads, and do not pollute, but yet despite all statistical data clearly showing motorists doing all of the above in the New Forest it is cyclists that are being wrongly vilified. The New Forest National Park Authority are clueless NIMBY's at best, shame on them for once again demonstrating such poor judgement.
I like the "do not pollute"

I did an experiment riding up the hill of St Johns Road in Hedge End on a bike. My breathing (or huffing) was at least 6 times more than when I did a brisk walk up the same stretch and even more than that compared to me driving.

I worked out the Co2 emissions for me riding the bike was more than my car with 4 passengers breathing easy.....
.. your car uses geologically sequestered carbon = not good.
.. your breathing is part of the natural carbon cycle = good.
[quote][p][bold]robj1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: This pointless and misdirected 'cycling code' does absolutely nothing to enhance mutual respect upon New Forest roads. In the main cyclists kill no one, do not damage roads, and do not pollute, but yet despite all statistical data clearly showing motorists doing all of the above in the New Forest it is cyclists that are being wrongly vilified. The New Forest National Park Authority are clueless NIMBY's at best, shame on them for once again demonstrating such poor judgement.[/p][/quote]I like the "do not pollute" I did an experiment riding up the hill of St Johns Road in Hedge End on a bike. My breathing (or huffing) was at least 6 times more than when I did a brisk walk up the same stretch and even more than that compared to me driving. I worked out the Co2 emissions for me riding the bike was more than my car with 4 passengers breathing easy.....[/p][/quote].. your car uses geologically sequestered carbon = not good. .. your breathing is part of the natural carbon cycle = good. freefinker

10:09am Sat 28 Dec 13

userds5050 says...

robj1969 wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
This pointless and misdirected 'cycling code' does absolutely nothing to enhance mutual respect upon New Forest roads. In the main cyclists kill no one, do not damage roads, and do not pollute, but yet despite all statistical data clearly showing motorists doing all of the above in the New Forest it is cyclists that are being wrongly vilified. The New Forest National Park Authority are clueless NIMBY's at best, shame on them for once again demonstrating such poor judgement.
I like the "do not pollute"

I did an experiment riding up the hill of St Johns Road in Hedge End on a bike. My breathing (or huffing) was at least 6 times more than when I did a brisk walk up the same stretch and even more than that compared to me driving.

I worked out the Co2 emissions for me riding the bike was more than my car with 4 passengers breathing easy.....
Another climate change myth. We breath in oxygen and exhale CO2 which comes from the food we eat. Trees and plants do the opposite collecting the CO2 we exhale as part of the carbon cycle.
[quote][p][bold]robj1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: This pointless and misdirected 'cycling code' does absolutely nothing to enhance mutual respect upon New Forest roads. In the main cyclists kill no one, do not damage roads, and do not pollute, but yet despite all statistical data clearly showing motorists doing all of the above in the New Forest it is cyclists that are being wrongly vilified. The New Forest National Park Authority are clueless NIMBY's at best, shame on them for once again demonstrating such poor judgement.[/p][/quote]I like the "do not pollute" I did an experiment riding up the hill of St Johns Road in Hedge End on a bike. My breathing (or huffing) was at least 6 times more than when I did a brisk walk up the same stretch and even more than that compared to me driving. I worked out the Co2 emissions for me riding the bike was more than my car with 4 passengers breathing easy.....[/p][/quote]Another climate change myth. We breath in oxygen and exhale CO2 which comes from the food we eat. Trees and plants do the opposite collecting the CO2 we exhale as part of the carbon cycle. userds5050

10:17am Sat 28 Dec 13

Torchie1 says...

teamgreen wrote:
but will it be a law ?. how about a mass go slow from the cyclists just like the trucks and cars did when the fuel prices went up ?. good old nimbys lets just build a wall round the new forest to keep the oinks out.
The NPA has been forced to draw up a code because you behave like school children, and your reaction is to throw your toys out of your pram. The world doesn't revolve around your chosen form of amusement so just accept it.
[quote][p][bold]teamgreen[/bold] wrote: but will it be a law ?. how about a mass go slow from the cyclists just like the trucks and cars did when the fuel prices went up ?. good old nimbys lets just build a wall round the new forest to keep the oinks out.[/p][/quote]The NPA has been forced to draw up a code because you behave like school children, and your reaction is to throw your toys out of your pram. The world doesn't revolve around your chosen form of amusement so just accept it. Torchie1

10:57am Sat 28 Dec 13

dango says...

**** cyclists.
**** cyclists. dango

11:21am Sat 28 Dec 13

hulla baloo says...

Forest Resident wrote:
This pointless and misdirected 'cycling code' does absolutely nothing to enhance mutual respect upon New Forest roads. In the main cyclists kill no one, do not damage roads, and do not pollute, but yet despite all statistical data clearly showing motorists doing all of the above in the New Forest it is cyclists that are being wrongly vilified. The New Forest National Park Authority are clueless NIMBY's at best, shame on them for once again demonstrating such poor judgement.
Cyclists do not pollute, but what about all the support vehicles?
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: This pointless and misdirected 'cycling code' does absolutely nothing to enhance mutual respect upon New Forest roads. In the main cyclists kill no one, do not damage roads, and do not pollute, but yet despite all statistical data clearly showing motorists doing all of the above in the New Forest it is cyclists that are being wrongly vilified. The New Forest National Park Authority are clueless NIMBY's at best, shame on them for once again demonstrating such poor judgement.[/p][/quote]Cyclists do not pollute, but what about all the support vehicles? hulla baloo

11:47am Sat 28 Dec 13

andysaints007 says...

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11:48am Sat 28 Dec 13

Munchausen says...

robj you made a point, if everybody stop breathing all of our problem solved in less than 3-4 minutes... :-))
Happy Holidays
robj you made a point, if everybody stop breathing all of our problem solved in less than 3-4 minutes... :-)) Happy Holidays Munchausen

12:14pm Sat 28 Dec 13

camerajuan says...

How many stories in the past few weeks about people/animals being injured, killed or held up? How many of those stories were caused by drivers?

Cyclists are not the danger! The road death toll is testament to that fact!

Wind your necks in and carry on with your own lives you utter infants.
How many stories in the past few weeks about people/animals being injured, killed or held up? How many of those stories were caused by drivers? Cyclists are not the danger! The road death toll is testament to that fact! Wind your necks in and carry on with your own lives you utter infants. camerajuan

1:23pm Sat 28 Dec 13

good-gosh says...

Roaming swarms of any kind are intimidating – from humble bees to troops on the move. There is a natural cautious suspicion. Nothing can be done other than keeping out of the way. But there will always be complaints – that’s natural too. So carry on regardless – enjoy the rallies and enjoy the bickering that goes with it. Utopia doesn’t exist.
Roaming swarms of any kind are intimidating – from humble bees to troops on the move. There is a natural cautious suspicion. Nothing can be done other than keeping out of the way. But there will always be complaints – that’s natural too. So carry on regardless – enjoy the rallies and enjoy the bickering that goes with it. Utopia doesn’t exist. good-gosh

2:11pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Linesman says...

Cycling code of conduct for the New Forest?

There is a National code of conduct for cyclists contained in the Highway Code, and the majority take no notice of it.
Cycling code of conduct for the New Forest? There is a National code of conduct for cyclists contained in the Highway Code, and the majority take no notice of it. Linesman

2:14pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Charlie Bucket says...

Already proving to be a waste of time, given the attitude of the cycling contingent in this very thread. and their determination to utilise this as a stick to beat forest residents with. These things are supposed to be mutually beneficial, not a points-scoring instrument.
Already proving to be a waste of time, given the attitude of the cycling contingent in this very thread. and their determination to utilise this as a stick to beat forest residents with. These things are supposed to be mutually beneficial, not a points-scoring instrument. Charlie Bucket

2:27pm Sat 28 Dec 13

downfader says...

Torchie1 wrote:
teamgreen wrote:
but will it be a law ?. how about a mass go slow from the cyclists just like the trucks and cars did when the fuel prices went up ?. good old nimbys lets just build a wall round the new forest to keep the oinks out.
The NPA has been forced to draw up a code because you behave like school children, and your reaction is to throw your toys out of your pram. The world doesn't revolve around your chosen form of amusement so just accept it.
Its the same code as last time. Just this time the NPA think they've had a chance to make a "stand". The truth is the riders through the Forest are not causing the problems projected by such Forest groups and in reality they are looking for scapegoats and distractions to the real issues:

- too much traffic
- too many horses/livestock being maimed or killed
- the road system simply not being designed for the through-traffic it has been getting in recent years (eg an increase in haulage passing through both the Forest and the surrounding villages)

The cyclists that use the area have every right to be angry at the abuse and the projections made about them and when people like yourself keep coming here time and time again to point the same accusations you really prove the points they've raised.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]teamgreen[/bold] wrote: but will it be a law ?. how about a mass go slow from the cyclists just like the trucks and cars did when the fuel prices went up ?. good old nimbys lets just build a wall round the new forest to keep the oinks out.[/p][/quote]The NPA has been forced to draw up a code because you behave like school children, and your reaction is to throw your toys out of your pram. The world doesn't revolve around your chosen form of amusement so just accept it.[/p][/quote]Its the same code as last time. Just this time the NPA think they've had a chance to make a "stand". The truth is the riders through the Forest are not causing the problems projected by such Forest groups and in reality they are looking for scapegoats and distractions to the real issues: - too much traffic - too many horses/livestock being maimed or killed - the road system simply not being designed for the through-traffic it has been getting in recent years (eg an increase in haulage passing through both the Forest and the surrounding villages) The cyclists that use the area have every right to be angry at the abuse and the projections made about them and when people like yourself keep coming here time and time again to point the same accusations you really prove the points they've raised. downfader

2:28pm Sat 28 Dec 13

downfader says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
Already proving to be a waste of time, given the attitude of the cycling contingent in this very thread. and their determination to utilise this as a stick to beat forest residents with. These things are supposed to be mutually beneficial, not a points-scoring instrument.
Stop playing the victim. The riders are not out to get you. People at CTC and other groups have gone well out of their way to accommodate and help.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: Already proving to be a waste of time, given the attitude of the cycling contingent in this very thread. and their determination to utilise this as a stick to beat forest residents with. These things are supposed to be mutually beneficial, not a points-scoring instrument.[/p][/quote]Stop playing the victim. The riders are not out to get you. People at CTC and other groups have gone well out of their way to accommodate and help. downfader

2:29pm Sat 28 Dec 13

RyudoSkye says...

Motorists complaining about cyclists. Wow maybe these motorists should think about the damage they're doing with their car fumes. Talk about double standards.
Motorists complaining about cyclists. Wow maybe these motorists should think about the damage they're doing with their car fumes. Talk about double standards. RyudoSkye

2:41pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Skeptictank says...

Littering is endemic amongst all those traveling through the New Forest, both cyclists and motorists and I doubt that you could pick out the worst offender.
In the context of danger presented by vehicular traffic, cyclists pose a lower risk to humans and animals by some order of magnitude (how many ponies are killed by cyclists?).
Where is the code of behavior for motorists?
I sense more than just a sniff of prejudice on this issue.
This isn't a cyclist problem its a social problem, both in the nature of the problem, and with those dealing with it.
Littering is endemic amongst all those traveling through the New Forest, both cyclists and motorists and I doubt that you could pick out the worst offender. In the context of danger presented by vehicular traffic, cyclists pose a lower risk to humans and animals by some order of magnitude (how many ponies are killed by cyclists?). Where is the code of behavior for motorists? I sense more than just a sniff of prejudice on this issue. This isn't a cyclist problem its a social problem, both in the nature of the problem, and with those dealing with it. Skeptictank

3:04pm Sat 28 Dec 13

downfader says...

Skeptictank wrote:
Littering is endemic amongst all those traveling through the New Forest, both cyclists and motorists and I doubt that you could pick out the worst offender.
In the context of danger presented by vehicular traffic, cyclists pose a lower risk to humans and animals by some order of magnitude (how many ponies are killed by cyclists?).
Where is the code of behavior for motorists?
I sense more than just a sniff of prejudice on this issue.
This isn't a cyclist problem its a social problem, both in the nature of the problem, and with those dealing with it.
The cynic in me wonders how those who vociferously object to cycling in the Forest actually drive, and if they fear the enemy within, hence their posturing.
[quote][p][bold]Skeptictank[/bold] wrote: Littering is endemic amongst all those traveling through the New Forest, both cyclists and motorists and I doubt that you could pick out the worst offender. In the context of danger presented by vehicular traffic, cyclists pose a lower risk to humans and animals by some order of magnitude (how many ponies are killed by cyclists?). Where is the code of behavior for motorists? I sense more than just a sniff of prejudice on this issue. This isn't a cyclist problem its a social problem, both in the nature of the problem, and with those dealing with it.[/p][/quote]The cynic in me wonders how those who vociferously object to cycling in the Forest actually drive, and if they fear the enemy within, hence their posturing. downfader

3:21pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

robj1969 wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
This pointless and misdirected 'cycling code' does absolutely nothing to enhance mutual respect upon New Forest roads. In the main cyclists kill no one, do not damage roads, and do not pollute, but yet despite all statistical data clearly showing motorists doing all of the above in the New Forest it is cyclists that are being wrongly vilified. The New Forest National Park Authority are clueless NIMBY's at best, shame on them for once again demonstrating such poor judgement.
I like the "do not pollute"

I did an experiment riding up the hill of St Johns Road in Hedge End on a bike. My breathing (or huffing) was at least 6 times more than when I did a brisk walk up the same stretch and even more than that compared to me driving.

I worked out the Co2 emissions for me riding the bike was more than my car with 4 passengers breathing easy.....
Except that CO2 was already in the air before it was synthesised into Oxygen by plants and then synthesised back into CO2 by you, what your car produces, was locked away in the ground where it should have stayed, though without it, we wouldn't have made progress as a species.
[quote][p][bold]robj1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: This pointless and misdirected 'cycling code' does absolutely nothing to enhance mutual respect upon New Forest roads. In the main cyclists kill no one, do not damage roads, and do not pollute, but yet despite all statistical data clearly showing motorists doing all of the above in the New Forest it is cyclists that are being wrongly vilified. The New Forest National Park Authority are clueless NIMBY's at best, shame on them for once again demonstrating such poor judgement.[/p][/quote]I like the "do not pollute" I did an experiment riding up the hill of St Johns Road in Hedge End on a bike. My breathing (or huffing) was at least 6 times more than when I did a brisk walk up the same stretch and even more than that compared to me driving. I worked out the Co2 emissions for me riding the bike was more than my car with 4 passengers breathing easy.....[/p][/quote]Except that CO2 was already in the air before it was synthesised into Oxygen by plants and then synthesised back into CO2 by you, what your car produces, was locked away in the ground where it should have stayed, though without it, we wouldn't have made progress as a species. Ginger_cyclist

3:46pm Sat 28 Dec 13

geoff51 says...

The sheer arrogance of the cycling community shown in their replies on this subject proves they have no intention of abiding by these reccomendations the same as they flout the law by riding through red lights and ride on pavements.
They try to subvert they subject by bringing up how wonderful they are at non polluting and non damaging the forest. That is not the point, the point is the massive volume of cyclists at one time is disruptive to the forest.
The fact that Martin Barden from Wiggle declined to comment shows the disdain that they hold those that do not join in with the races Wiggle organise and they will fail to abide by these reccomendations.
The sheer arrogance of the cycling community shown in their replies on this subject proves they have no intention of abiding by these reccomendations the same as they flout the law by riding through red lights and ride on pavements. They try to subvert they subject by bringing up how wonderful they are at non polluting and non damaging the forest. That is not the point, the point is the massive volume of cyclists at one time is disruptive to the forest. The fact that Martin Barden from Wiggle declined to comment shows the disdain that they hold those that do not join in with the races Wiggle organise and they will fail to abide by these reccomendations. geoff51

3:58pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Torchie1 says...

downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
teamgreen wrote:
but will it be a law ?. how about a mass go slow from the cyclists just like the trucks and cars did when the fuel prices went up ?. good old nimbys lets just build a wall round the new forest to keep the oinks out.
The NPA has been forced to draw up a code because you behave like school children, and your reaction is to throw your toys out of your pram. The world doesn't revolve around your chosen form of amusement so just accept it.
Its the same code as last time. Just this time the NPA think they've had a chance to make a "stand". The truth is the riders through the Forest are not causing the problems projected by such Forest groups and in reality they are looking for scapegoats and distractions to the real issues:

- too much traffic
- too many horses/livestock being maimed or killed
- the road system simply not being designed for the through-traffic it has been getting in recent years (eg an increase in haulage passing through both the Forest and the surrounding villages)

The cyclists that use the area have every right to be angry at the abuse and the projections made about them and when people like yourself keep coming here time and time again to point the same accusations you really prove the points they've raised.
Unfortunately the message doesn't seem to get across and needs to be repeated regularly, a lesson I've learned from people like you who bang on about your 'rights' at every opportunity that is presented.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]teamgreen[/bold] wrote: but will it be a law ?. how about a mass go slow from the cyclists just like the trucks and cars did when the fuel prices went up ?. good old nimbys lets just build a wall round the new forest to keep the oinks out.[/p][/quote]The NPA has been forced to draw up a code because you behave like school children, and your reaction is to throw your toys out of your pram. The world doesn't revolve around your chosen form of amusement so just accept it.[/p][/quote]Its the same code as last time. Just this time the NPA think they've had a chance to make a "stand". The truth is the riders through the Forest are not causing the problems projected by such Forest groups and in reality they are looking for scapegoats and distractions to the real issues: - too much traffic - too many horses/livestock being maimed or killed - the road system simply not being designed for the through-traffic it has been getting in recent years (eg an increase in haulage passing through both the Forest and the surrounding villages) The cyclists that use the area have every right to be angry at the abuse and the projections made about them and when people like yourself keep coming here time and time again to point the same accusations you really prove the points they've raised.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately the message doesn't seem to get across and needs to be repeated regularly, a lesson I've learned from people like you who bang on about your 'rights' at every opportunity that is presented. Torchie1

4:27pm Sat 28 Dec 13

downfader says...

Torchie1 wrote:
downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
teamgreen wrote:
but will it be a law ?. how about a mass go slow from the cyclists just like the trucks and cars did when the fuel prices went up ?. good old nimbys lets just build a wall round the new forest to keep the oinks out.
The NPA has been forced to draw up a code because you behave like school children, and your reaction is to throw your toys out of your pram. The world doesn't revolve around your chosen form of amusement so just accept it.
Its the same code as last time. Just this time the NPA think they've had a chance to make a "stand". The truth is the riders through the Forest are not causing the problems projected by such Forest groups and in reality they are looking for scapegoats and distractions to the real issues:

- too much traffic
- too many horses/livestock being maimed or killed
- the road system simply not being designed for the through-traffic it has been getting in recent years (eg an increase in haulage passing through both the Forest and the surrounding villages)

The cyclists that use the area have every right to be angry at the abuse and the projections made about them and when people like yourself keep coming here time and time again to point the same accusations you really prove the points they've raised.
Unfortunately the message doesn't seem to get across and needs to be repeated regularly, a lesson I've learned from people like you who bang on about your 'rights' at every opportunity that is presented.
..Why can you and a number of others on here not accept that you may be wrong? That there may actually be bigger problems elsewhere... or are you simply here to troll riders?

Bigotry comes in more varieties than racism and homophobia. Transport bigotry is the most silly and ridiculous of all the varieties.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]teamgreen[/bold] wrote: but will it be a law ?. how about a mass go slow from the cyclists just like the trucks and cars did when the fuel prices went up ?. good old nimbys lets just build a wall round the new forest to keep the oinks out.[/p][/quote]The NPA has been forced to draw up a code because you behave like school children, and your reaction is to throw your toys out of your pram. The world doesn't revolve around your chosen form of amusement so just accept it.[/p][/quote]Its the same code as last time. Just this time the NPA think they've had a chance to make a "stand". The truth is the riders through the Forest are not causing the problems projected by such Forest groups and in reality they are looking for scapegoats and distractions to the real issues: - too much traffic - too many horses/livestock being maimed or killed - the road system simply not being designed for the through-traffic it has been getting in recent years (eg an increase in haulage passing through both the Forest and the surrounding villages) The cyclists that use the area have every right to be angry at the abuse and the projections made about them and when people like yourself keep coming here time and time again to point the same accusations you really prove the points they've raised.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately the message doesn't seem to get across and needs to be repeated regularly, a lesson I've learned from people like you who bang on about your 'rights' at every opportunity that is presented.[/p][/quote]..Why can you and a number of others on here not accept that you may be wrong? That there may actually be bigger problems elsewhere... or are you simply here to troll riders? Bigotry comes in more varieties than racism and homophobia. Transport bigotry is the most silly and ridiculous of all the varieties. downfader

4:27pm Sat 28 Dec 13

chimneysweep 1234 says...

They won't do the rule they won't care they are a pain in the neck those so called cycling people ...I say block there route and ruin there event like they ruin our car journey ..bunch of argent ..5 arrest ..especially the team riders like sky
They won't do the rule they won't care they are a pain in the neck those so called cycling people ...I say block there route and ruin there event like they ruin our car journey ..bunch of argent ..5 arrest ..especially the team riders like sky chimneysweep 1234

4:31pm Sat 28 Dec 13

chimneysweep 1234 says...

chimneysweep 1234 wrote:
They won't do the rule they won't care they are a pain in the neck those so called cycling people ...I say block there route and ruin there event like they ruin our car journey ..bunch of argent ..5 arrest ..especially the team riders like sky
5 abreast that was meant to say
[quote][p][bold]chimneysweep 1234[/bold] wrote: They won't do the rule they won't care they are a pain in the neck those so called cycling people ...I say block there route and ruin there event like they ruin our car journey ..bunch of argent ..5 arrest ..especially the team riders like sky[/p][/quote]5 abreast that was meant to say chimneysweep 1234

4:31pm Sat 28 Dec 13

chimneysweep 1234 says...

chimneysweep 1234 wrote:
They won't do the rule they won't care they are a pain in the neck those so called cycling people ...I say block there route and ruin there event like they ruin our car journey ..bunch of argent ..5 arrest ..especially the team riders like sky
5 abreast that was meant to say
[quote][p][bold]chimneysweep 1234[/bold] wrote: They won't do the rule they won't care they are a pain in the neck those so called cycling people ...I say block there route and ruin there event like they ruin our car journey ..bunch of argent ..5 arrest ..especially the team riders like sky[/p][/quote]5 abreast that was meant to say chimneysweep 1234

4:35pm Sat 28 Dec 13

vpharm says...

Would been better to force the orginsers to pay for police to police the events & fgorce all cyclists in these events to have registration numbers on their bikes or clothing, so if anyone breaks the law then they can be fined & banned from events in the new forest etc.
Would been better to force the orginsers to pay for police to police the events & fgorce all cyclists in these events to have registration numbers on their bikes or clothing, so if anyone breaks the law then they can be fined & banned from events in the new forest etc. vpharm

4:45pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Forest Resident says...

geoff51 wrote:
The sheer arrogance of the cycling community shown in their replies on this subject proves they have no intention of abiding by these reccomendations the same as they flout the law by riding through red lights and ride on pavements.
They try to subvert they subject by bringing up how wonderful they are at non polluting and non damaging the forest. That is not the point, the point is the massive volume of cyclists at one time is disruptive to the forest.
The fact that Martin Barden from Wiggle declined to comment shows the disdain that they hold those that do not join in with the races Wiggle organise and they will fail to abide by these reccomendations.
Please, a handful of irresponsible cyclists endangering no one other than themselves is hardly cause for a widespread orchestrated crackdown on cyclists. The tens of thousands of vehicle journeys across the New Forest conducted every single day of the year cause far more damage, pollution and disruption to the region than a few hundred cyclists on one or two days. Like it or not cyclists are legitimate road going traffic too, any clampdown on cycling whether it be part of the Wiggle events or not would have had an adverse effect on all cyclists, and as already demonstrated in Surrey short of a change in the law New Forest cyclists will in the main continue to utilise the roads at our leisure. I look forward to welcoming Wiggle and their cycling events back to the New Forest for many more years to come, benefitting both the cyclists and the local economy in the process.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: The sheer arrogance of the cycling community shown in their replies on this subject proves they have no intention of abiding by these reccomendations the same as they flout the law by riding through red lights and ride on pavements. They try to subvert they subject by bringing up how wonderful they are at non polluting and non damaging the forest. That is not the point, the point is the massive volume of cyclists at one time is disruptive to the forest. The fact that Martin Barden from Wiggle declined to comment shows the disdain that they hold those that do not join in with the races Wiggle organise and they will fail to abide by these reccomendations.[/p][/quote]Please, a handful of irresponsible cyclists endangering no one other than themselves is hardly cause for a widespread orchestrated crackdown on cyclists. The tens of thousands of vehicle journeys across the New Forest conducted every single day of the year cause far more damage, pollution and disruption to the region than a few hundred cyclists on one or two days. Like it or not cyclists are legitimate road going traffic too, any clampdown on cycling whether it be part of the Wiggle events or not would have had an adverse effect on all cyclists, and as already demonstrated in Surrey short of a change in the law New Forest cyclists will in the main continue to utilise the roads at our leisure. I look forward to welcoming Wiggle and their cycling events back to the New Forest for many more years to come, benefitting both the cyclists and the local economy in the process. Forest Resident

4:50pm Sat 28 Dec 13

The Mad Dog says...

I live on a road, adjacent to the Forest, which is a designated cycle route. If the attitude and manners of the groups of cyclists who use this road are typical then introducing any code is a waste of time.
They regularly are seen 4/5 abreast on a road that is, at best a very narrow two track road, they seem to think that they have full right of way over all other road users, be they lorries, buses, cars, motorcycles or even pedestrians.
The impression given is that somehow, whether it is because they are on a bike or on a 'cycle route', they have some sort of god-given right to be rude, arrogant and, on occasions, downright offensive. The attitude that comes across, regularly, is "OUT OF THE WAY THERE, WE'RE CYCLING "
I live on a road, adjacent to the Forest, which is a designated cycle route. If the attitude and manners of the groups of cyclists who use this road are typical then introducing any code is a waste of time. They regularly are seen 4/5 abreast on a road that is, at best a very narrow two track road, they seem to think that they have full right of way over all other road users, be they lorries, buses, cars, motorcycles or even pedestrians. The impression given is that somehow, whether it is because they are on a bike or on a 'cycle route', they have some sort of god-given right to be rude, arrogant and, on occasions, downright offensive. The attitude that comes across, regularly, is "OUT OF THE WAY THERE, WE'RE CYCLING " The Mad Dog

4:51pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

vpharm wrote:
Would been better to force the orginsers to pay for police to police the events & fgorce all cyclists in these events to have registration numbers on their bikes or clothing, so if anyone breaks the law then they can be fined & banned from events in the new forest etc.
They DO have registry numbers on their bikes for the event you plank.
[quote][p][bold]vpharm[/bold] wrote: Would been better to force the orginsers to pay for police to police the events & fgorce all cyclists in these events to have registration numbers on their bikes or clothing, so if anyone breaks the law then they can be fined & banned from events in the new forest etc.[/p][/quote]They DO have registry numbers on their bikes for the event you plank. Ginger_cyclist

5:03pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Drhysted says...

vpharm wrote:
Would been better to force the orginsers to pay for police to police the events & fgorce all cyclists in these events to have registration numbers on their bikes or clothing, so if anyone breaks the law then they can be fined & banned from events in the new forest etc.
It looks like you have only experianced the bad Echo reporting.

All entrants display numbers, and if found breaking the rules are banned, the Echo just seem to forget that these events already comply with the laws, and like to splash headlines.
[quote][p][bold]vpharm[/bold] wrote: Would been better to force the orginsers to pay for police to police the events & fgorce all cyclists in these events to have registration numbers on their bikes or clothing, so if anyone breaks the law then they can be fined & banned from events in the new forest etc.[/p][/quote]It looks like you have only experianced the bad Echo reporting. All entrants display numbers, and if found breaking the rules are banned, the Echo just seem to forget that these events already comply with the laws, and like to splash headlines. Drhysted

5:04pm Sat 28 Dec 13

The Mad Dog says...

The Mad Dog wrote:
I live on a road, adjacent to the Forest, which is a designated cycle route. If the attitude and manners of the groups of cyclists who use this road are typical then introducing any code is a waste of time.
They regularly are seen 4/5 abreast on a road that is, at best a very narrow two track road, they seem to think that they have full right of way over all other road users, be they lorries, buses, cars, motorcycles or even pedestrians.
The impression given is that somehow, whether it is because they are on a bike or on a 'cycle route', they have some sort of god-given right to be rude, arrogant and, on occasions, downright offensive. The attitude that comes across, regularly, is "OUT OF THE WAY THERE, WE'RE CYCLING "
Should have added that I have no particular 'axe to grind'.
I am a 'road' user', car, motorbike and cycle.
I also walk down the road in question at least twice a day.
What I have described is what I have experienced on a fairly regular basis.
I should speak up for those that commute, by bicycle, on this road. They are invariably polite, either offering or acknowledging a 'good morning' or what ever the chosen form of greeting is.
However I stand by my description and impression of the groups of cyclists out to enjoy themselves
[quote][p][bold]The Mad Dog[/bold] wrote: I live on a road, adjacent to the Forest, which is a designated cycle route. If the attitude and manners of the groups of cyclists who use this road are typical then introducing any code is a waste of time. They regularly are seen 4/5 abreast on a road that is, at best a very narrow two track road, they seem to think that they have full right of way over all other road users, be they lorries, buses, cars, motorcycles or even pedestrians. The impression given is that somehow, whether it is because they are on a bike or on a 'cycle route', they have some sort of god-given right to be rude, arrogant and, on occasions, downright offensive. The attitude that comes across, regularly, is "OUT OF THE WAY THERE, WE'RE CYCLING "[/p][/quote]Should have added that I have no particular 'axe to grind'. I am a 'road' user', car, motorbike and cycle. I also walk down the road in question at least twice a day. What I have described is what I have experienced on a fairly regular basis. I should speak up for those that commute, by bicycle, on this road. They are invariably polite, either offering or acknowledging a 'good morning' or what ever the chosen form of greeting is. However I stand by my description and impression of the groups of cyclists out to enjoy themselves The Mad Dog

5:11pm Sat 28 Dec 13

geoff51 says...

Forest Resident wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
The sheer arrogance of the cycling community shown in their replies on this subject proves they have no intention of abiding by these reccomendations the same as they flout the law by riding through red lights and ride on pavements.
They try to subvert they subject by bringing up how wonderful they are at non polluting and non damaging the forest. That is not the point, the point is the massive volume of cyclists at one time is disruptive to the forest.
The fact that Martin Barden from Wiggle declined to comment shows the disdain that they hold those that do not join in with the races Wiggle organise and they will fail to abide by these reccomendations.
Please, a handful of irresponsible cyclists endangering no one other than themselves is hardly cause for a widespread orchestrated crackdown on cyclists. The tens of thousands of vehicle journeys across the New Forest conducted every single day of the year cause far more damage, pollution and disruption to the region than a few hundred cyclists on one or two days. Like it or not cyclists are legitimate road going traffic too, any clampdown on cycling whether it be part of the Wiggle events or not would have had an adverse effect on all cyclists, and as already demonstrated in Surrey short of a change in the law New Forest cyclists will in the main continue to utilise the roads at our leisure. I look forward to welcoming Wiggle and their cycling events back to the New Forest for many more years to come, benefitting both the cyclists and the local economy in the process.
Like I said Arrogance!
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: The sheer arrogance of the cycling community shown in their replies on this subject proves they have no intention of abiding by these reccomendations the same as they flout the law by riding through red lights and ride on pavements. They try to subvert they subject by bringing up how wonderful they are at non polluting and non damaging the forest. That is not the point, the point is the massive volume of cyclists at one time is disruptive to the forest. The fact that Martin Barden from Wiggle declined to comment shows the disdain that they hold those that do not join in with the races Wiggle organise and they will fail to abide by these reccomendations.[/p][/quote]Please, a handful of irresponsible cyclists endangering no one other than themselves is hardly cause for a widespread orchestrated crackdown on cyclists. The tens of thousands of vehicle journeys across the New Forest conducted every single day of the year cause far more damage, pollution and disruption to the region than a few hundred cyclists on one or two days. Like it or not cyclists are legitimate road going traffic too, any clampdown on cycling whether it be part of the Wiggle events or not would have had an adverse effect on all cyclists, and as already demonstrated in Surrey short of a change in the law New Forest cyclists will in the main continue to utilise the roads at our leisure. I look forward to welcoming Wiggle and their cycling events back to the New Forest for many more years to come, benefitting both the cyclists and the local economy in the process.[/p][/quote]Like I said Arrogance! geoff51

6:00pm Sat 28 Dec 13

downfader says...

vpharm wrote:
Would been better to force the orginsers to pay for police to police the events & fgorce all cyclists in these events to have registration numbers on their bikes or clothing, so if anyone breaks the law then they can be fined & banned from events in the new forest etc.
Have you looked at any of the photos on the Echo site of the sportif riders? Did you not notice those funny little characters on white paper stuck on the front of the bikes?

LMAO!!
[quote][p][bold]vpharm[/bold] wrote: Would been better to force the orginsers to pay for police to police the events & fgorce all cyclists in these events to have registration numbers on their bikes or clothing, so if anyone breaks the law then they can be fined & banned from events in the new forest etc.[/p][/quote]Have you looked at any of the photos on the Echo site of the sportif riders? Did you not notice those funny little characters on white paper stuck on the front of the bikes? LMAO!! downfader

6:03pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Skeptictank says...

The Mad Dog wrote:
The Mad Dog wrote:
I live on a road, adjacent to the Forest, which is a designated cycle route. If the attitude and manners of the groups of cyclists who use this road are typical then introducing any code is a waste of time.
They regularly are seen 4/5 abreast on a road that is, at best a very narrow two track road, they seem to think that they have full right of way over all other road users, be they lorries, buses, cars, motorcycles or even pedestrians.
The impression given is that somehow, whether it is because they are on a bike or on a 'cycle route', they have some sort of god-given right to be rude, arrogant and, on occasions, downright offensive. The attitude that comes across, regularly, is "OUT OF THE WAY THERE, WE'RE CYCLING "
Should have added that I have no particular 'axe to grind'.
I am a 'road' user', car, motorbike and cycle.
I also walk down the road in question at least twice a day.
What I have described is what I have experienced on a fairly regular basis.
I should speak up for those that commute, by bicycle, on this road. They are invariably polite, either offering or acknowledging a 'good morning' or what ever the chosen form of greeting is.
However I stand by my description and impression of the groups of cyclists out to enjoy themselves
I lived in Redlynch for 10 years. I commuted daily through the New Forest, mostly by bike, sometimes by car and I completely fail to understand the point of the code of conduct as a cyclist only issue. I encounter rude and inconsiderate people on foot, on two and or four wheels. As mentioned in my previous post, it's a social issue not a cyclist issue, viewing it otherwise is advertising a prejudice.

On the issue of cycle events like audaxes or sportives, I don't participate in them, but I will make the observation that more motorists make daily use of the New Forest as a rat run than there are cyclists in any one of these events.

The New Forest is a recreation area and cyclists are trying to use it as such just a few times a year. Something that motorists have the unrestricted privilege of doing every day.
[quote][p][bold]The Mad Dog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Mad Dog[/bold] wrote: I live on a road, adjacent to the Forest, which is a designated cycle route. If the attitude and manners of the groups of cyclists who use this road are typical then introducing any code is a waste of time. They regularly are seen 4/5 abreast on a road that is, at best a very narrow two track road, they seem to think that they have full right of way over all other road users, be they lorries, buses, cars, motorcycles or even pedestrians. The impression given is that somehow, whether it is because they are on a bike or on a 'cycle route', they have some sort of god-given right to be rude, arrogant and, on occasions, downright offensive. The attitude that comes across, regularly, is "OUT OF THE WAY THERE, WE'RE CYCLING "[/p][/quote]Should have added that I have no particular 'axe to grind'. I am a 'road' user', car, motorbike and cycle. I also walk down the road in question at least twice a day. What I have described is what I have experienced on a fairly regular basis. I should speak up for those that commute, by bicycle, on this road. They are invariably polite, either offering or acknowledging a 'good morning' or what ever the chosen form of greeting is. However I stand by my description and impression of the groups of cyclists out to enjoy themselves[/p][/quote]I lived in Redlynch for 10 years. I commuted daily through the New Forest, mostly by bike, sometimes by car and I completely fail to understand the point of the code of conduct as a cyclist only issue. I encounter rude and inconsiderate people on foot, on two and or four wheels. As mentioned in my previous post, it's a social issue not a cyclist issue, viewing it otherwise is advertising a prejudice. On the issue of cycle events like audaxes or sportives, I don't participate in them, but I will make the observation that more motorists make daily use of the New Forest as a rat run than there are cyclists in any one of these events. The New Forest is a recreation area and cyclists are trying to use it as such just a few times a year. Something that motorists have the unrestricted privilege of doing every day. Skeptictank

6:30pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Hieronymus says...

dango wrote:
**** cyclists.
C'mon don't be shy. You meant to say 'love cyclists'.
[quote][p][bold]dango[/bold] wrote: **** cyclists.[/p][/quote]C'mon don't be shy. You meant to say 'love cyclists'. Hieronymus

9:29pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Dchadder says...

Read the new code. It misses a major point that normal road rules also apply to gravel tracks. These are roads. Cycle on the LEFT as on tarred roads. Not to ride on the left can and does lead to confusion and potential accident. Especially when children are riding. There is no 'off-road' riding in the New Forest as riders must ride on designated gravel routes, roads. Off-road means riding or driving on grass and Heath; theses are banned aren't they? For example, the idealised family of five riders enjoying the New Forest in a photo depicted on the National Park site shows riders five abreast and riding off the gravel trail! Also the video shows groups of riders riding on the right side of the gravel road. Telling cyclists to respect the quiet of the Forest is pointless, Land Rovers, large vehicles and cars make all the noise, not cyclists. Good try guys, but inadequate standard.
Read the new code. It misses a major point that normal road rules also apply to gravel tracks. These are roads. Cycle on the LEFT as on tarred roads. Not to ride on the left can and does lead to confusion and potential accident. Especially when children are riding. There is no 'off-road' riding in the New Forest as riders must ride on designated gravel routes, roads. Off-road means riding or driving on grass and Heath; theses are banned aren't they? For example, the idealised family of five riders enjoying the New Forest in a photo depicted on the National Park site shows riders five abreast and riding off the gravel trail! Also the video shows groups of riders riding on the right side of the gravel road. Telling cyclists to respect the quiet of the Forest is pointless, Land Rovers, large vehicles and cars make all the noise, not cyclists. Good try guys, but inadequate standard. Dchadder

1:55am Sun 29 Dec 13

Torchie1 says...

downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
teamgreen wrote:
but will it be a law ?. how about a mass go slow from the cyclists just like the trucks and cars did when the fuel prices went up ?. good old nimbys lets just build a wall round the new forest to keep the oinks out.
The NPA has been forced to draw up a code because you behave like school children, and your reaction is to throw your toys out of your pram. The world doesn't revolve around your chosen form of amusement so just accept it.
Its the same code as last time. Just this time the NPA think they've had a chance to make a "stand". The truth is the riders through the Forest are not causing the problems projected by such Forest groups and in reality they are looking for scapegoats and distractions to the real issues:

- too much traffic
- too many horses/livestock being maimed or killed
- the road system simply not being designed for the through-traffic it has been getting in recent years (eg an increase in haulage passing through both the Forest and the surrounding villages)

The cyclists that use the area have every right to be angry at the abuse and the projections made about them and when people like yourself keep coming here time and time again to point the same accusations you really prove the points they've raised.
Unfortunately the message doesn't seem to get across and needs to be repeated regularly, a lesson I've learned from people like you who bang on about your 'rights' at every opportunity that is presented.
..Why can you and a number of others on here not accept that you may be wrong? That there may actually be bigger problems elsewhere... or are you simply here to troll riders?

Bigotry comes in more varieties than racism and homophobia. Transport bigotry is the most silly and ridiculous of all the varieties.
It doesn't matter who is right or wrong, nothing will change, the NPA will review the situation in a years time and clamp down even harder which will just raise your blood pressure even more and that particular cycle will probably receive a polite round of applause.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]teamgreen[/bold] wrote: but will it be a law ?. how about a mass go slow from the cyclists just like the trucks and cars did when the fuel prices went up ?. good old nimbys lets just build a wall round the new forest to keep the oinks out.[/p][/quote]The NPA has been forced to draw up a code because you behave like school children, and your reaction is to throw your toys out of your pram. The world doesn't revolve around your chosen form of amusement so just accept it.[/p][/quote]Its the same code as last time. Just this time the NPA think they've had a chance to make a "stand". The truth is the riders through the Forest are not causing the problems projected by such Forest groups and in reality they are looking for scapegoats and distractions to the real issues: - too much traffic - too many horses/livestock being maimed or killed - the road system simply not being designed for the through-traffic it has been getting in recent years (eg an increase in haulage passing through both the Forest and the surrounding villages) The cyclists that use the area have every right to be angry at the abuse and the projections made about them and when people like yourself keep coming here time and time again to point the same accusations you really prove the points they've raised.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately the message doesn't seem to get across and needs to be repeated regularly, a lesson I've learned from people like you who bang on about your 'rights' at every opportunity that is presented.[/p][/quote]..Why can you and a number of others on here not accept that you may be wrong? That there may actually be bigger problems elsewhere... or are you simply here to troll riders? Bigotry comes in more varieties than racism and homophobia. Transport bigotry is the most silly and ridiculous of all the varieties.[/p][/quote]It doesn't matter who is right or wrong, nothing will change, the NPA will review the situation in a years time and clamp down even harder which will just raise your blood pressure even more and that particular cycle will probably receive a polite round of applause. Torchie1

10:05am Sun 29 Dec 13

downfader says...

Torchie1 wrote:
downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
downfader wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
teamgreen wrote:
but will it be a law ?. how about a mass go slow from the cyclists just like the trucks and cars did when the fuel prices went up ?. good old nimbys lets just build a wall round the new forest to keep the oinks out.
The NPA has been forced to draw up a code because you behave like school children, and your reaction is to throw your toys out of your pram. The world doesn't revolve around your chosen form of amusement so just accept it.
Its the same code as last time. Just this time the NPA think they've had a chance to make a "stand". The truth is the riders through the Forest are not causing the problems projected by such Forest groups and in reality they are looking for scapegoats and distractions to the real issues:

- too much traffic
- too many horses/livestock being maimed or killed
- the road system simply not being designed for the through-traffic it has been getting in recent years (eg an increase in haulage passing through both the Forest and the surrounding villages)

The cyclists that use the area have every right to be angry at the abuse and the projections made about them and when people like yourself keep coming here time and time again to point the same accusations you really prove the points they've raised.
Unfortunately the message doesn't seem to get across and needs to be repeated regularly, a lesson I've learned from people like you who bang on about your 'rights' at every opportunity that is presented.
..Why can you and a number of others on here not accept that you may be wrong? That there may actually be bigger problems elsewhere... or are you simply here to troll riders?

Bigotry comes in more varieties than racism and homophobia. Transport bigotry is the most silly and ridiculous of all the varieties.
It doesn't matter who is right or wrong, nothing will change, the NPA will review the situation in a years time and clamp down even harder which will just raise your blood pressure even more and that particular cycle will probably receive a polite round of applause.
Actually it does matter who is right because £300,000 worth of spending is at risk to local businesses in the New Forest if we riders pull out and go elsewhere.

The NPA dont have the authority to push cycling out of the Forest in the way you and others hope.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]teamgreen[/bold] wrote: but will it be a law ?. how about a mass go slow from the cyclists just like the trucks and cars did when the fuel prices went up ?. good old nimbys lets just build a wall round the new forest to keep the oinks out.[/p][/quote]The NPA has been forced to draw up a code because you behave like school children, and your reaction is to throw your toys out of your pram. The world doesn't revolve around your chosen form of amusement so just accept it.[/p][/quote]Its the same code as last time. Just this time the NPA think they've had a chance to make a "stand". The truth is the riders through the Forest are not causing the problems projected by such Forest groups and in reality they are looking for scapegoats and distractions to the real issues: - too much traffic - too many horses/livestock being maimed or killed - the road system simply not being designed for the through-traffic it has been getting in recent years (eg an increase in haulage passing through both the Forest and the surrounding villages) The cyclists that use the area have every right to be angry at the abuse and the projections made about them and when people like yourself keep coming here time and time again to point the same accusations you really prove the points they've raised.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately the message doesn't seem to get across and needs to be repeated regularly, a lesson I've learned from people like you who bang on about your 'rights' at every opportunity that is presented.[/p][/quote]..Why can you and a number of others on here not accept that you may be wrong? That there may actually be bigger problems elsewhere... or are you simply here to troll riders? Bigotry comes in more varieties than racism and homophobia. Transport bigotry is the most silly and ridiculous of all the varieties.[/p][/quote]It doesn't matter who is right or wrong, nothing will change, the NPA will review the situation in a years time and clamp down even harder which will just raise your blood pressure even more and that particular cycle will probably receive a polite round of applause.[/p][/quote]Actually it does matter who is right because £300,000 worth of spending is at risk to local businesses in the New Forest if we riders pull out and go elsewhere. The NPA dont have the authority to push cycling out of the Forest in the way you and others hope. downfader

10:17am Sun 29 Dec 13

teamgreen says...

Torchie1 wrote:
teamgreen wrote:
but will it be a law ?. how about a mass go slow from the cyclists just like the trucks and cars did when the fuel prices went up ?. good old nimbys lets just build a wall round the new forest to keep the oinks out.
The NPA has been forced to draw up a code because you behave like school children, and your reaction is to throw your toys out of your pram. The world doesn't revolve around your chosen form of amusement so just accept it.
as proven time after time unless you are a car driving bike hating new forest nimby the every bodys views don't count. since when does the forest belong to anyone. the fact is no one wants to share yet it is for everyone to use. I don't go on these rides but why should they stop, can we know complain about the horse riders, dog walkers, scouts etc using the land for what it is intended ?.the trolls on here slagging off cyclists need to get out on a bike and see the forest at the speeds you can enjoy not at 30 -40 mph and just whizz by.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]teamgreen[/bold] wrote: but will it be a law ?. how about a mass go slow from the cyclists just like the trucks and cars did when the fuel prices went up ?. good old nimbys lets just build a wall round the new forest to keep the oinks out.[/p][/quote]The NPA has been forced to draw up a code because you behave like school children, and your reaction is to throw your toys out of your pram. The world doesn't revolve around your chosen form of amusement so just accept it.[/p][/quote]as proven time after time unless you are a car driving bike hating new forest nimby the every bodys views don't count. since when does the forest belong to anyone. the fact is no one wants to share yet it is for everyone to use. I don't go on these rides but why should they stop, can we know complain about the horse riders, dog walkers, scouts etc using the land for what it is intended ?.the trolls on here slagging off cyclists need to get out on a bike and see the forest at the speeds you can enjoy not at 30 -40 mph and just whizz by. teamgreen

11:05am Sun 29 Dec 13

good-gosh says...

Run the races at two in the morning and nobody will notice – but look out for hedgehogs
Run the races at two in the morning and nobody will notice – but look out for hedgehogs good-gosh

1:48pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Dan Soton says...

geoff51 wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
The sheer arrogance of the cycling community shown in their replies on this subject proves they have no intention of abiding by these reccomendations the same as they flout the law by riding through red lights and ride on pavements.
They try to subvert they subject by bringing up how wonderful they are at non polluting and non damaging the forest. That is not the point, the point is the massive volume of cyclists at one time is disruptive to the forest.
The fact that Martin Barden from Wiggle declined to comment shows the disdain that they hold those that do not join in with the races Wiggle organise and they will fail to abide by these reccomendations.
Please, a handful of irresponsible cyclists endangering no one other than themselves is hardly cause for a widespread orchestrated crackdown on cyclists. The tens of thousands of vehicle journeys across the New Forest conducted every single day of the year cause far more damage, pollution and disruption to the region than a few hundred cyclists on one or two days. Like it or not cyclists are legitimate road going traffic too, any clampdown on cycling whether it be part of the Wiggle events or not would have had an adverse effect on all cyclists, and as already demonstrated in Surrey short of a change in the law New Forest cyclists will in the main continue to utilise the roads at our leisure. I look forward to welcoming Wiggle and their cycling events back to the New Forest for many more years to come, benefitting both the cyclists and the local economy in the process.
Like I said Arrogance!
Anti-bike sentiment



I blame Anti bike crack head Rob Ford, he kicked all this anti-bike sentiment off back in 2007, our salad tosser chef James Martin picked it up in 2009 and its been going around the world ever since..




THE BICYCLE IS EMERGING AS A NEW CONSERVATIVE FRONT IN THE CULTURE WARS.

By Jordan Michael Smith DECEMBER 15, 2013

EVEN BEFORE TORONTO MAYOR Rob Ford became internationally famous for being videotaped smoking crack, he was known as a City Hall version of Bluto Blutarsky of "Animal House"—swearing in public, proudly overeating, guzzling booze.

FORD RESERVES SPECIAL VENOM FOR THE MENACE CALLED THE BICYCLE. HE IS PERHAPS THE MOST ANTIBIKE POLITICIAN IN THE WORLD.

In 2007, he told the Toronto City Council that roads were designed for only buses, cars, and trucks. IF CYCLISTS GOT KILLED ON ROADS, "IT'S THEIR OWN FAULT AT THE END OF THE DAY," HE SAID. He compared biking on a city street to swimming with sharks—"sooner or later you're going to get bitten." He once summarized his views in City Hall succinctly: "Cyclists are a pain in the **** to the motorists."

This all might seem kind of crazy—the rantings of an unmuzzled Canadian demagogue better known for his disastrous personal habits. But in his antipathy for bikes, Ford appears to be part of a trend. Particularly in America, the bicycle is emerging as a new conservative front in the culture wars. In May, Wall Street Journal commentator Dorothy Rabinowitz called bicyclists "the most important danger in the city"; in Colorado's last governor's election, a Republican candidate said a local bike-sharing program "could threaten our personal freedoms." A columnist for the conservative Washington Times declared D.C. bike-sharing programs to be "broken-down socialism"; radio pundit RUSH LIMBAUGH SAID HE "WON'T CARE" IF HIS CAR DOOR KNOCKS OVER A CYCLIST.

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TV CHEF JAMES MARTIN COOKS UP A STORM WITH ANTI-CYCLING REMARKS

Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10.08am

British TV chef James Martin, who caused uproar with a newspaper column that said he hates cyclists and caused a group of riders to crash.

Martin wrote in his review of a Tesla Roadstar electric car: "God, I hate those cyclists. Every last herbal tea-drinking, Harriet Harman-voting one of them.





,,
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: The sheer arrogance of the cycling community shown in their replies on this subject proves they have no intention of abiding by these reccomendations the same as they flout the law by riding through red lights and ride on pavements. They try to subvert they subject by bringing up how wonderful they are at non polluting and non damaging the forest. That is not the point, the point is the massive volume of cyclists at one time is disruptive to the forest. The fact that Martin Barden from Wiggle declined to comment shows the disdain that they hold those that do not join in with the races Wiggle organise and they will fail to abide by these reccomendations.[/p][/quote]Please, a handful of irresponsible cyclists endangering no one other than themselves is hardly cause for a widespread orchestrated crackdown on cyclists. The tens of thousands of vehicle journeys across the New Forest conducted every single day of the year cause far more damage, pollution and disruption to the region than a few hundred cyclists on one or two days. Like it or not cyclists are legitimate road going traffic too, any clampdown on cycling whether it be part of the Wiggle events or not would have had an adverse effect on all cyclists, and as already demonstrated in Surrey short of a change in the law New Forest cyclists will in the main continue to utilise the roads at our leisure. I look forward to welcoming Wiggle and their cycling events back to the New Forest for many more years to come, benefitting both the cyclists and the local economy in the process.[/p][/quote]Like I said Arrogance![/p][/quote]Anti-bike sentiment I blame Anti bike crack head Rob Ford, he kicked all this anti-bike sentiment off back in 2007, our salad tosser chef James Martin picked it up in 2009 and its been going around the world ever since.. THE BICYCLE IS EMERGING AS A NEW CONSERVATIVE FRONT IN THE CULTURE WARS. By Jordan Michael Smith DECEMBER 15, 2013 EVEN BEFORE TORONTO MAYOR Rob Ford became internationally famous for being videotaped smoking crack, he was known as a City Hall version of Bluto Blutarsky of "Animal House"—swearing in public, proudly overeating, guzzling booze. FORD RESERVES SPECIAL VENOM FOR THE MENACE CALLED THE BICYCLE. HE IS PERHAPS THE MOST ANTIBIKE POLITICIAN IN THE WORLD. In 2007, he told the Toronto City Council that roads were designed for only buses, cars, and trucks. IF CYCLISTS GOT KILLED ON ROADS, "IT'S THEIR OWN FAULT AT THE END OF THE DAY," HE SAID. He compared biking on a city street to swimming with sharks—"sooner or later you're going to get bitten." He once summarized his views in City Hall succinctly: "Cyclists are a pain in the **** to the motorists." This all might seem kind of crazy—the rantings of an unmuzzled Canadian demagogue better known for his disastrous personal habits. But in his antipathy for bikes, Ford appears to be part of a trend. Particularly in America, the bicycle is emerging as a new conservative front in the culture wars. In May, Wall Street Journal commentator Dorothy Rabinowitz called bicyclists "the most important danger in the city"; in Colorado's last governor's election, a Republican candidate said a local bike-sharing program "could threaten our personal freedoms." A columnist for the conservative Washington Times declared D.C. bike-sharing programs to be "broken-down socialism"; radio pundit RUSH LIMBAUGH SAID HE "WON'T CARE" IF HIS CAR DOOR KNOCKS OVER A CYCLIST. http://www.bostonglo be.com/ideas/2013/12 /15/conservatives-ne w-enemy-bikes/NoLMjn ocHg28jZ4hw3F4oI/sto ry.html TV CHEF JAMES MARTIN COOKS UP A STORM WITH ANTI-CYCLING REMARKS Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10.08am British TV chef James Martin, who caused uproar with a newspaper column that said he hates cyclists and caused a group of riders to crash. Martin wrote in his review of a Tesla Roadstar electric car: "God, I hate those cyclists. Every last herbal tea-drinking, Harriet Harman-voting one of them. ,, Dan Soton

11:21pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Niel says...

Skeptictank says...
"The New Forest is a recreation area and cyclists are trying to use it as such just a few times a year. Something that motorists have the unrestricted privilege of doing every day."

This unfortunately is how the forest is seen by many, incorrectly. I have family, social and business connections throughout the forest and its a living working environment. Yes some parts have become more recreation orientated allowing people to earn a living from the visitors, but commercial forestry, farming etc are still a key part of the forests economy. The NPA and others need to balance the needs and demands of all, and as for rat-running, compared with 30 years ago total traffic share as a percentage of total flow is lower, except when the A31, A36 or A338 are stuffed, no commercial driver needs the grief!
Skeptictank says... "The New Forest is a recreation area and cyclists are trying to use it as such just a few times a year. Something that motorists have the unrestricted privilege of doing every day." This unfortunately is how the forest is seen by many, incorrectly. I have family, social and business connections throughout the forest and its a living working environment. Yes some parts have become more recreation orientated allowing people to earn a living from the visitors, but commercial forestry, farming etc are still a key part of the forests economy. The NPA and others need to balance the needs and demands of all, and as for rat-running, compared with 30 years ago total traffic share as a percentage of total flow is lower, except when the A31, A36 or A338 are stuffed, no commercial driver needs the grief! Niel

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