Residents urge community to fight plan to turn Stoneham Arms into a Co-op store

Daily Echo: Regulars gathered outside The Stoneham Arms pub last August in a bid to save the pub from closure Regulars gathered outside The Stoneham Arms pub last August in a bid to save the pub from closure

CAMPAIGNERS appear to have lost their fight to save the last pub in a city community from being turned into a convenience store.

But they claim they may still be able to pull the boozer back from the brink if people oppose a supermarket’s bid for an alcohol licence. Regulars have been fighting to save the Stoneham Arms in Bassett Green Road, Southampton, after it shut in August – and one even stepped forward to take it over.

However, pub owner Enterprise Inns’ property arm has struck a deal with Co-operative Food to convert it into a store.

Now the district the pub serves, which has about 30,000 people, is set to have no community facilities for miles.

Pub campaigners including Itchen MP John Denham and the Campaign for Real Ale are calling for change in planning rules which currently allow shop conversions without change of use permission.

But campaigner Paul Dixon hopes the Co-operative Food’s plans may be foiled if neighbours object to its alcohol licence application before a deadline of Wednesday, January 8.

He said: “There is a slim chance it could be saved. It would be devastating if this went ahead. The whole social aspect of the area will be lost, it is quite scary really.

“The pub used to be a place where people mingled to get to know each other and created community spirit. That will be lost within a couple of years.”

Paul’s uncle, Steven, 61, had spent £600 on the required training and was ready to plough his own money into the pub. But while he prepared his bid Enterprise Inns struck a deal with the Co-op.

He said: “It is heartbreaking. I was prepared to take the pub on and to put a substantial amount of money into it as the lease holder.”

Enterprise Inns said: “After careful consideration and a review of all options for the site, the decision was made to lease the property to a convenience store operator.”

Deric Payne, pub preservation officer for Southern Hampshire Campaign for Real Ale, said: “It is another pub turning into a convenience store and I think it is just wrong.”

Itchen MP John Denham, who has been fighting pub closures, said: “There seems to be a depressing regularity of these stories.

“The law has to change so that companies have to apply for planning permission for change of use – it is the only way we can save our pubs.”

The Co-operative Food will move its existing store down the road at 109 Bassett Green Road to the pub in early summer 2014.

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10:07am Wed 1 Jan 14

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

open a pub in the old co op just down the road,simples.
open a pub in the old co op just down the road,simples. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.

10:43am Wed 1 Jan 14

Frank28 says...

There's nothing enterprising about Enterprise Inns I'm afraid! The Stoneham pub is the nearest place of refreshment for travellers who are attending the nearby Crematorium. This is a great loss to the area.
There's nothing enterprising about Enterprise Inns I'm afraid! The Stoneham pub is the nearest place of refreshment for travellers who are attending the nearby Crematorium. This is a great loss to the area. Frank28

11:50am Wed 1 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

I live on the doorstep and will no longer be shopping at the COOP. Perhaps if we all do this when our pubs are taken from us, the big shops will stop depriving us of what are community assets..
I live on the doorstep and will no longer be shopping at the COOP. Perhaps if we all do this when our pubs are taken from us, the big shops will stop depriving us of what are community assets.. Inform Al

11:53am Wed 1 Jan 14

solentsunseeker says...

With the building already having an alcohol licence as a pub, Coop also having one at their shop 50 yards away the Council will never be able to refuse them a licence as the building and the applicant are both suitable.
With the building already having an alcohol licence as a pub, Coop also having one at their shop 50 yards away the Council will never be able to refuse them a licence as the building and the applicant are both suitable. solentsunseeker

11:54am Wed 1 Jan 14

SOULJACKER says...

There will be nothing comunal in this city soon.
Where can people go to socialise & have some interaction now?
Tesco or Macdonalds will take over all the pubs soon & that will be the end of it.
It seems as though the local councils don't believe in 'community' or a sense of belonging anymore, it has become such a sad, sad place to live now.
There will be nothing comunal in this city soon. Where can people go to socialise & have some interaction now? Tesco or Macdonalds will take over all the pubs soon & that will be the end of it. It seems as though the local councils don't believe in 'community' or a sense of belonging anymore, it has become such a sad, sad place to live now. SOULJACKER

11:56am Wed 1 Jan 14

SOULJACKER says...

Inform Al wrote:
I live on the doorstep and will no longer be shopping at the COOP. Perhaps if we all do this when our pubs are taken from us, the big shops will stop depriving us of what are community assets..
That would mean us all staanding together &that just wouldn't be British now would it :D
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: I live on the doorstep and will no longer be shopping at the COOP. Perhaps if we all do this when our pubs are taken from us, the big shops will stop depriving us of what are community assets..[/p][/quote]That would mean us all staanding together &that just wouldn't be British now would it :D SOULJACKER

11:57am Wed 1 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
open a pub in the old co op just down the road,simples.
I am in contact with the member for housing on this very matter as the present Co-op is leased from the council's housing dept. There is a difficulty in that there are flats above, however properly managed and using the old 1914 licensing hours there should not be a problem with this.
[quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: open a pub in the old co op just down the road,simples.[/p][/quote]I am in contact with the member for housing on this very matter as the present Co-op is leased from the council's housing dept. There is a difficulty in that there are flats above, however properly managed and using the old 1914 licensing hours there should not be a problem with this. Inform Al

12:03pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
There will be nothing comunal in this city soon.
Where can people go to socialise & have some interaction now?
Tesco or Macdonalds will take over all the pubs soon & that will be the end of it.
It seems as though the local councils don't believe in 'community' or a sense of belonging anymore, it has become such a sad, sad place to live now.
Unfortunately it's not down to the local governments and dodgy's government recently refused a change in the law that would have allowed local authorities to stop this from happening.
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: There will be nothing comunal in this city soon. Where can people go to socialise & have some interaction now? Tesco or Macdonalds will take over all the pubs soon & that will be the end of it. It seems as though the local councils don't believe in 'community' or a sense of belonging anymore, it has become such a sad, sad place to live now.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately it's not down to the local governments and dodgy's government recently refused a change in the law that would have allowed local authorities to stop this from happening. Inform Al

12:20pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Micle1974 says...

They will have no problem with an alcohol license, the building has been selling it forever and co-op have one a couple of doors down the road they will transfer!
They will have no problem with an alcohol license, the building has been selling it forever and co-op have one a couple of doors down the road they will transfer! Micle1974

12:41pm Wed 1 Jan 14

elvisimo says...

They own it. The thought of £65k per year for 15 years from an 'A' rated covenant is a better bet than a series of failed tenancies or leases. Best of luck to them. They are not a charity. Busy well supported pubs stay open, those that are not, don't.
They own it. The thought of £65k per year for 15 years from an 'A' rated covenant is a better bet than a series of failed tenancies or leases. Best of luck to them. They are not a charity. Busy well supported pubs stay open, those that are not, don't. elvisimo

1:12pm Wed 1 Jan 14

issacchunt says...

You have to be in a fight to lose a fight, much like the Bittern it was already deal done, as for the pub serving the needs of the local 30,000 people ?????

Sadly we're left with chav city Fleming arms, The Clump or the Stile, just keep out of the Mitre please. Pubs would'nt shut if they turned big profits, support when threatened with closure is little too late!

who can afford to support the pubs anyway, a tenner won't get you much more than 2 pints and a bag of crisps.
You have to be in a fight to lose a fight, much like the Bittern it was already deal done, as for the pub serving the needs of the local 30,000 people ????? Sadly we're left with chav city Fleming arms, The Clump or the Stile, just keep out of the Mitre please. Pubs would'nt shut if they turned big profits, support when threatened with closure is little too late! who can afford to support the pubs anyway, a tenner won't get you much more than 2 pints and a bag of crisps. issacchunt

1:22pm Wed 1 Jan 14

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

issacchunt wrote:
You have to be in a fight to lose a fight, much like the Bittern it was already deal done, as for the pub serving the needs of the local 30,000 people ?????

Sadly we're left with chav city Fleming arms, The Clump or the Stile, just keep out of the Mitre please. Pubs would'nt shut if they turned big profits, support when threatened with closure is little too late!

who can afford to support the pubs anyway, a tenner won't get you much more than 2 pints and a bag of crisps.
Spot on ,the chav druggie menace killed a lot of pubs , and the one mentioned would do well to ban them for life before they go the same way .
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: You have to be in a fight to lose a fight, much like the Bittern it was already deal done, as for the pub serving the needs of the local 30,000 people ????? Sadly we're left with chav city Fleming arms, The Clump or the Stile, just keep out of the Mitre please. Pubs would'nt shut if they turned big profits, support when threatened with closure is little too late! who can afford to support the pubs anyway, a tenner won't get you much more than 2 pints and a bag of crisps.[/p][/quote]Spot on ,the chav druggie menace killed a lot of pubs , and the one mentioned would do well to ban them for life before they go the same way . WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.

1:50pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

The reason locals are closing is Enterprise Inns policy of charging their tenants an extortionate rent, then forcing them to buy the drinks through them again at ridiculously high prices.Until recently I ran a bar on occasional licence and was able to charge half the Stonehams prices and give a large profit to a local charity on the occasions I did it.
The reason locals are closing is Enterprise Inns policy of charging their tenants an extortionate rent, then forcing them to buy the drinks through them again at ridiculously high prices.Until recently I ran a bar on occasional licence and was able to charge half the Stonehams prices and give a large profit to a local charity on the occasions I did it. Inform Al

2:12pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Stu J says...

It's always sad when a local pub goes but at the end of the day I bet more local money will be spent in the Co-op than was ever spent in the pub.
If people want to save their local pubs then they need to stop buying cheap booze in supermarkets and help the pubs make a decent profit but let's face it, with the massive price differences that's not going to happen.
It's always sad when a local pub goes but at the end of the day I bet more local money will be spent in the Co-op than was ever spent in the pub. If people want to save their local pubs then they need to stop buying cheap booze in supermarkets and help the pubs make a decent profit but let's face it, with the massive price differences that's not going to happen. Stu J

2:13pm Wed 1 Jan 14

southy says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
I live on the doorstep and will no longer be shopping at the COOP. Perhaps if we all do this when our pubs are taken from us, the big shops will stop depriving us of what are community assets..
That would mean us all staanding together &that just wouldn't be British now would it :D
It would be british to stand together on all matters, just that the right wing using the divide and conquer tactic and to many have falling for the tactic
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: I live on the doorstep and will no longer be shopping at the COOP. Perhaps if we all do this when our pubs are taken from us, the big shops will stop depriving us of what are community assets..[/p][/quote]That would mean us all staanding together &that just wouldn't be British now would it :D[/p][/quote]It would be british to stand together on all matters, just that the right wing using the divide and conquer tactic and to many have falling for the tactic southy

4:41pm Wed 1 Jan 14

chimneysweep 1234 says...

Why do Tesco and coop think they rule the world ..local pubs are very important to the community
Why do Tesco and coop think they rule the world ..local pubs are very important to the community chimneysweep 1234

4:53pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Maine Lobster says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
There will be nothing comunal in this city soon.
Where can people go to socialise & have some interaction now?
Tesco or Macdonalds will take over all the pubs soon & that will be the end of it.
It seems as though the local councils don't believe in 'community' or a sense of belonging anymore, it has become such a sad, sad place to live now.
It has little to do with any council? Pubs are closing because they are too expensive and the smoking ban has contributed to that. I say that as a non smoker. People are struggling to pay bills and going to the pub at £3-£4 a pint is just not viable when you can but a case of beer for a tenner.
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: There will be nothing comunal in this city soon. Where can people go to socialise & have some interaction now? Tesco or Macdonalds will take over all the pubs soon & that will be the end of it. It seems as though the local councils don't believe in 'community' or a sense of belonging anymore, it has become such a sad, sad place to live now.[/p][/quote]It has little to do with any council? Pubs are closing because they are too expensive and the smoking ban has contributed to that. I say that as a non smoker. People are struggling to pay bills and going to the pub at £3-£4 a pint is just not viable when you can but a case of beer for a tenner. Maine Lobster

5:07pm Wed 1 Jan 14

mickey01 says...

southy wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
I live on the doorstep and will no longer be shopping at the COOP. Perhaps if we all do this when our pubs are taken from us, the big shops will stop depriving us of what are community assets..
That would mean us all staanding together &that just wouldn't be British now would it :D
It would be british to stand together on all matters, just that the right wing using the divide and conquer tactic and to many have falling for the tactic
whats british these days ?? as its all gone with all the migrants and the so called inter racial crap that labour has given us . the british i knew and loved has long gone
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: I live on the doorstep and will no longer be shopping at the COOP. Perhaps if we all do this when our pubs are taken from us, the big shops will stop depriving us of what are community assets..[/p][/quote]That would mean us all staanding together &that just wouldn't be British now would it :D[/p][/quote]It would be british to stand together on all matters, just that the right wing using the divide and conquer tactic and to many have falling for the tactic[/p][/quote]whats british these days ?? as its all gone with all the migrants and the so called inter racial crap that labour has given us . the british i knew and loved has long gone mickey01

5:16pm Wed 1 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

pub,chip shop,bookies,sweet shop.It doesn't matter what the business is if you dont use it you lose it simple.
pub,chip shop,bookies,sweet shop.It doesn't matter what the business is if you dont use it you lose it simple. bigfella777

5:27pm Wed 1 Jan 14

Ronnie G says...

Who is the landowner?
Do enterprise inns own the land this pub is on?

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Who is the landowner? Do enterprise inns own the land this pub is on? . Ronnie G

5:47pm Wed 1 Jan 14

southy says...

mickey01 wrote:
southy wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
I live on the doorstep and will no longer be shopping at the COOP. Perhaps if we all do this when our pubs are taken from us, the big shops will stop depriving us of what are community assets..
That would mean us all staanding together &that just wouldn't be British now would it :D
It would be british to stand together on all matters, just that the right wing using the divide and conquer tactic and to many have falling for the tactic
whats british these days ?? as its all gone with all the migrants and the so called inter racial crap that labour has given us . the british i knew and loved has long gone
The British your thinking about is the 1960's, and for that to come back you need a Socialist policy in place, you will not get that while capitalism is in total control, Capitalism will use divide and conquer tactics all the time to stop you and others from banding together and building that very friendly community that will stand together
[quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: I live on the doorstep and will no longer be shopping at the COOP. Perhaps if we all do this when our pubs are taken from us, the big shops will stop depriving us of what are community assets..[/p][/quote]That would mean us all staanding together &that just wouldn't be British now would it :D[/p][/quote]It would be british to stand together on all matters, just that the right wing using the divide and conquer tactic and to many have falling for the tactic[/p][/quote]whats british these days ?? as its all gone with all the migrants and the so called inter racial crap that labour has given us . the british i knew and loved has long gone[/p][/quote]The British your thinking about is the 1960's, and for that to come back you need a Socialist policy in place, you will not get that while capitalism is in total control, Capitalism will use divide and conquer tactics all the time to stop you and others from banding together and building that very friendly community that will stand together southy

7:01pm Wed 1 Jan 14

st1halo says...

John Denham says “The law has to change so that companies have to apply for planning permission for change of use – it is the only way we can save our pubs.”

No it's not the only way and it's laughable that Mr Denham uses this bandwagon to raise his own profile.
Stop allowing supermarkets to sell alcohol is one way whilst limiting brewery ownership. Only Pubs should be able to sell alcohol and this would mean they can set up an off licence type facility and enhance their profits whilst ensuring competition with each other.
John Denham says “The law has to change so that companies have to apply for planning permission for change of use – it is the only way we can save our pubs.” No it's not the only way and it's laughable that Mr Denham uses this bandwagon to raise his own profile. Stop allowing supermarkets to sell alcohol is one way whilst limiting brewery ownership. Only Pubs should be able to sell alcohol and this would mean they can set up an off licence type facility and enhance their profits whilst ensuring competition with each other. st1halo

7:19pm Wed 1 Jan 14

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

southy wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
southy wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
I live on the doorstep and will no longer be shopping at the COOP. Perhaps if we all do this when our pubs are taken from us, the big shops will stop depriving us of what are community assets..
That would mean us all staanding together &that just wouldn't be British now would it :D
It would be british to stand together on all matters, just that the right wing using the divide and conquer tactic and to many have falling for the tactic
whats british these days ?? as its all gone with all the migrants and the so called inter racial crap that labour has given us . the british i knew and loved has long gone
The British your thinking about is the 1960's, and for that to come back you need a Socialist policy in place, you will not get that while capitalism is in total control, Capitalism will use divide and conquer tactics all the time to stop you and others from banding together and building that very friendly community that will stand together
not capitalism ,keynes neoliberal mantra is the one they have followed the last thirty years ,moving into pure slave labour now , pubs are certainly surplus to requirements ,slaves wont need them.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: I live on the doorstep and will no longer be shopping at the COOP. Perhaps if we all do this when our pubs are taken from us, the big shops will stop depriving us of what are community assets..[/p][/quote]That would mean us all staanding together &that just wouldn't be British now would it :D[/p][/quote]It would be british to stand together on all matters, just that the right wing using the divide and conquer tactic and to many have falling for the tactic[/p][/quote]whats british these days ?? as its all gone with all the migrants and the so called inter racial crap that labour has given us . the british i knew and loved has long gone[/p][/quote]The British your thinking about is the 1960's, and for that to come back you need a Socialist policy in place, you will not get that while capitalism is in total control, Capitalism will use divide and conquer tactics all the time to stop you and others from banding together and building that very friendly community that will stand together[/p][/quote]not capitalism ,keynes neoliberal mantra is the one they have followed the last thirty years ,moving into pure slave labour now , pubs are certainly surplus to requirements ,slaves wont need them. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.

9:54am Thu 2 Jan 14

Charlie Bucket says...

st1halo wrote:
John Denham says “The law has to change so that companies have to apply for planning permission for change of use – it is the only way we can save our pubs.”

No it's not the only way and it's laughable that Mr Denham uses this bandwagon to raise his own profile.
Stop allowing supermarkets to sell alcohol is one way whilst limiting brewery ownership. Only Pubs should be able to sell alcohol and this would mean they can set up an off licence type facility and enhance their profits whilst ensuring competition with each other.
Why should only pubs be able to sell alcohol? I want a nice bottle of wine for dinner, so I have to go to a pub? I collect rare whiskies, so I have to go to a pub for it, where they won't stock it, because, why would they carry 500 different bottles of spirits they're not going to sell for years? I own a pub, but now I'm constantly running out of stock because I can only afford a small cellar, but the entire region is knocking on my door constantly to buy drink to take home? Oh, wait, I make more money from off-sales than I do from the punters drinking on-premises, so I'm closing the public bar and turning it into a stock room.

You'd soon find, if pubs were the only place that sold alcohol, they'd very quickly stop being pubs and start being off-licences. Hurrah! The death of the pub again! Think it through, please.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: John Denham says “The law has to change so that companies have to apply for planning permission for change of use – it is the only way we can save our pubs.” No it's not the only way and it's laughable that Mr Denham uses this bandwagon to raise his own profile. Stop allowing supermarkets to sell alcohol is one way whilst limiting brewery ownership. Only Pubs should be able to sell alcohol and this would mean they can set up an off licence type facility and enhance their profits whilst ensuring competition with each other.[/p][/quote]Why should only pubs be able to sell alcohol? I want a nice bottle of wine for dinner, so I have to go to a pub? I collect rare whiskies, so I have to go to a pub for it, where they won't stock it, because, why would they carry 500 different bottles of spirits they're not going to sell for years? I own a pub, but now I'm constantly running out of stock because I can only afford a small cellar, but the entire region is knocking on my door constantly to buy drink to take home? Oh, wait, I make more money from off-sales than I do from the punters drinking on-premises, so I'm closing the public bar and turning it into a stock room. You'd soon find, if pubs were the only place that sold alcohol, they'd very quickly stop being pubs and start being off-licences. Hurrah! The death of the pub again! Think it through, please. Charlie Bucket

4:44am Sat 4 Jan 14

st1halo says...

Charlie, are the Co-op going to have 500 bottles of rare whiskies that they won't sell for years sat on the shelves? Please do some thinking yourself.
Personally, I don't think its approriate for supermarkets to sell alcohol anyway, piled up boxes of it on the floor right next to the sweets where the school children walk. If the pubs are so small as you say and cannot cater for this sort of thing, exactly why are the supermarket chains snapping them all up? You'll notice my comment says restricting brewery ownership. The tied landlord and forced inflated prices would disappear making drinking in a pub affordable, some pubs may still die but at least many more will survive.
Charlie, are the Co-op going to have 500 bottles of rare whiskies that they won't sell for years sat on the shelves? Please do some thinking yourself. Personally, I don't think its approriate for supermarkets to sell alcohol anyway, piled up boxes of it on the floor right next to the sweets where the school children walk. If the pubs are so small as you say and cannot cater for this sort of thing, exactly why are the supermarket chains snapping them all up? You'll notice my comment says restricting brewery ownership. The tied landlord and forced inflated prices would disappear making drinking in a pub affordable, some pubs may still die but at least many more will survive. st1halo

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