Prime Minister David Cameron in Southampton to promote Help to Buy scheme

Daily Echo: David Cameron in Southampton today. David Cameron in Southampton today.

PRIME Minister David Cameron is travelling to Southampton this morning as he champions his Help to Buy house ownership scheme.

The Conservative leader will be at Regents Park Road at 10.20am before moving on to Centenery Quay in Vosper Road an hour later.

He is making the trip to Hampshire after announcing that more than 6,000 people have put offers in on homes and applied for mortgages thanks to the Help to Buy scheme.

In the less than three months that the mortgage guarantee scheme has been offered, nearly 750 homeowners have completed their purchases and hundreds were able to spend Christmas in their new homes.

In November, ministers published figures showing that in the first month after being launched more than 2,000 people had put in offers on homes and applied for a Help to Buy mortgage. That number has now trebled.

The mortgages, once approved, would represent nearly £1 billion of new lending to aspiring home owners who may have previously found the property market out-of-reach because of the size of deposit required.

Mr Cameron said he hoped the new year would see ''thousands more realise their dream of home ownership''.

Barclays and Santander will introduce their own Help to Buy products onto the market this month, joining Lloyds Banking Group, RBS, HSBC, Virgin Money and Aldermore who have all launched products over the last three months.

The expansion will mean two thirds of the entire UK mortgage market will offer products under the Help to Buy scheme, bringing home ownership to a growing number of people.

New figures also show that an additional 20,000 households have also been supported by the Help to Buy Equity Loan scheme, a separate scheme where the Government provides an interest-free loan to support the purchase of the newly built home.

House building is now growing at its fastest rate since 2008, and is seen as a critical part of the country's economic recovery.

On average applicants are looking to buy homes worth £160,000, which remains below the UK average house price of £247,000.

They will face average monthly repayments of around £900 and have an annual household income of around £45,000. This means a Help to Buy mortgage represents 23 per cent of borrowers' gross income.

Around three quarters are from outside London and the South East, while more than 80% are from first-time buyers.

Mr Cameron said: ''The new year is often a time when people look to make those big life-changing decisions like moving home or taking that first step on the housing ladder.

''But too many people have found themselves frozen out of the market in recent years as a result of the size of the deposit required.

''That is why as part of our long-term economic plan we introduced the Help to Buy scheme, so hardworking people with sufficient earnings can get on, fulfil their aspirations and enjoy the security of owning their own home.

''In less than three months, the scheme has already helped thousands of people. I want to see that continue in 2014 and for Help to Buy to help thousands more realise their dream of home ownership.''

Mr Cameron met Sharon Ray and her daughter Maisie, one, to talk about her experiences using the Help to Buy scheme.

Daily Echo:

The pair sat on the sofa in Sharon's flat and had a cup of tea as they talked about housing issues.

Little Maisie seemed unfazed as photographers and camera men crammed in to the small room.

Mr Cameron spent around 30 minutes at the home, in Regents Park Road, before heading off to Centenary Quay in Woolston.

 

Daily Echo:

At the site, Cameron toured the Centenary Quay development and met apprentice construction workers Holly-Jane Boylan, Callum Boreland and Richard Smith (above).

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10:27am Thu 2 Jan 14

aldermoorboy says...

Welcome to Southampton David, you have saved this country after Labour's terrible over spending and lack of controls.
Welcome to Southampton David, you have saved this country after Labour's terrible over spending and lack of controls. aldermoorboy

10:31am Thu 2 Jan 14

Ciaran says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Welcome to Southampton David, you have saved this country after Labour's terrible over spending and lack of controls.
Treating politicians in such a fawning manner does no one any favours.

Treating an elected official in the same way a teenage girl might treat Harry Styles demonstrates a lack of critical thinking in evaluating what they do.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Welcome to Southampton David, you have saved this country after Labour's terrible over spending and lack of controls.[/p][/quote]Treating politicians in such a fawning manner does no one any favours. Treating an elected official in the same way a teenage girl might treat Harry Styles demonstrates a lack of critical thinking in evaluating what they do. Ciaran

10:48am Thu 2 Jan 14

Charlie Bucket says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Welcome to Southampton David, you have saved this country after Labour's terrible over spending and lack of controls.
He has? I'm not joining in the "who did what" argument, but I really fail to see that anybody has so far saved the country.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Welcome to Southampton David, you have saved this country after Labour's terrible over spending and lack of controls.[/p][/quote]He has? I'm not joining in the "who did what" argument, but I really fail to see that anybody has so far saved the country. Charlie Bucket

10:49am Thu 2 Jan 14

Maine Lobster says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Welcome to Southampton David, you have saved this country after Labour's terrible over spending and lack of controls.
Lots of support for your brown nosing, NOT!
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Welcome to Southampton David, you have saved this country after Labour's terrible over spending and lack of controls.[/p][/quote]Lots of support for your brown nosing, NOT! Maine Lobster

10:53am Thu 2 Jan 14

eurogordi says...

Go away Cameron. We don't want you in Southampton. We don't want you in this country. You and your cabinet cronies are just little posh boys who know NOTHING of the real world.
Go away Cameron. We don't want you in Southampton. We don't want you in this country. You and your cabinet cronies are just little posh boys who know NOTHING of the real world. eurogordi

11:00am Thu 2 Jan 14

sburman says...

I could never understand why our problems are always the politician’s fault no matter which party they belong to. No matter what problem exists, be it the economy, social services, media, crime, NHS and all the rest it always seems to be down to the government of the day. I have never heard any organisation or individual outside government stand up and say `THIS PROBLEM WAS OUR FAULT`
We have a media that instantly jumps on all negative aspects of life as long as it is slagging off the political party they do not support.
We have an NHS that, if you listen to the Media, is a downright dangerous place to visit where the truth is far from that. NOTE: all the ambulance chaser claims get paid out of the Hospital budget and so takes money from us all.
We have a Population that thinks all responsibilities and problems of life belong to either national or local government.
For every right (for our self) we have we also have a responsibility (to others).
I could never understand why our problems are always the politician’s fault no matter which party they belong to. No matter what problem exists, be it the economy, social services, media, crime, NHS and all the rest it always seems to be down to the government of the day. I have never heard any organisation or individual outside government stand up and say `THIS PROBLEM WAS OUR FAULT` We have a media that instantly jumps on all negative aspects of life as long as it is slagging off the political party they do not support. We have an NHS that, if you listen to the Media, is a downright dangerous place to visit where the truth is far from that. NOTE: all the ambulance chaser claims get paid out of the Hospital budget and so takes money from us all. We have a Population that thinks all responsibilities and problems of life belong to either national or local government. For every right (for our self) we have we also have a responsibility (to others). sburman

11:06am Thu 2 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

Welcome Dave, this country owes you and George an enormous debt for stopping the years of Labour rot. Growth up, unemployment down, taxes down and making the working majority better off than the workshy.
I hope the grim face of Southampton doesn't spoil your day to much we did have a Tory council for a while and things started to look up but for now we are stuck with the liars again.
Welcome Dave, this country owes you and George an enormous debt for stopping the years of Labour rot. Growth up, unemployment down, taxes down and making the working majority better off than the workshy. I hope the grim face of Southampton doesn't spoil your day to much we did have a Tory council for a while and things started to look up but for now we are stuck with the liars again. bigfella777

11:36am Thu 2 Jan 14

For pity sake says...

sburman wrote:
I could never understand why our problems are always the politician’s fault no matter which party they belong to. No matter what problem exists, be it the economy, social services, media, crime, NHS and all the rest it always seems to be down to the government of the day. I have never heard any organisation or individual outside government stand up and say `THIS PROBLEM WAS OUR FAULT`
We have a media that instantly jumps on all negative aspects of life as long as it is slagging off the political party they do not support.
We have an NHS that, if you listen to the Media, is a downright dangerous place to visit where the truth is far from that. NOTE: all the ambulance chaser claims get paid out of the Hospital budget and so takes money from us all.
We have a Population that thinks all responsibilities and problems of life belong to either national or local government.
For every right (for our self) we have we also have a responsibility (to others).
No - only 25% is due to the government of the day. The rest is due to the inheritance of Thatcher.
[quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: I could never understand why our problems are always the politician’s fault no matter which party they belong to. No matter what problem exists, be it the economy, social services, media, crime, NHS and all the rest it always seems to be down to the government of the day. I have never heard any organisation or individual outside government stand up and say `THIS PROBLEM WAS OUR FAULT` We have a media that instantly jumps on all negative aspects of life as long as it is slagging off the political party they do not support. We have an NHS that, if you listen to the Media, is a downright dangerous place to visit where the truth is far from that. NOTE: all the ambulance chaser claims get paid out of the Hospital budget and so takes money from us all. We have a Population that thinks all responsibilities and problems of life belong to either national or local government. For every right (for our self) we have we also have a responsibility (to others).[/p][/quote]No - only 25% is due to the government of the day. The rest is due to the inheritance of Thatcher. For pity sake

11:59am Thu 2 Jan 14

sburman says...

For pity sake wrote:
sburman wrote:
I could never understand why our problems are always the politician’s fault no matter which party they belong to. No matter what problem exists, be it the economy, social services, media, crime, NHS and all the rest it always seems to be down to the government of the day. I have never heard any organisation or individual outside government stand up and say `THIS PROBLEM WAS OUR FAULT`
We have a media that instantly jumps on all negative aspects of life as long as it is slagging off the political party they do not support.
We have an NHS that, if you listen to the Media, is a downright dangerous place to visit where the truth is far from that. NOTE: all the ambulance chaser claims get paid out of the Hospital budget and so takes money from us all.
We have a Population that thinks all responsibilities and problems of life belong to either national or local government.
For every right (for our self) we have we also have a responsibility (to others).
No - only 25% is due to the government of the day. The rest is due to the inheritance of Thatcher.
If you are talking about the way the Thatcher government relaxed the banking rules, this lends credence to what I said.
They set out a policy for growth, it was the banks that acted irresponsibly with their lending and it was all of us that borrowed irresponsibly without any thought of the cost. Hence, years later, when the ferryman asked for his fare, all hell broke loose, which the government of the day ( labour ) where left no other choice but to bail the banks out which, in turn, left the present government no other choice than to try and reduce our out of control national debt.
So you see that, given the above, very little of our present financial woes are down to either the old Labour government or the present Tory one. They both where forced to react to circumstances created by out of control banks and their irresponsible borrowers.
[quote][p][bold]For pity sake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: I could never understand why our problems are always the politician’s fault no matter which party they belong to. No matter what problem exists, be it the economy, social services, media, crime, NHS and all the rest it always seems to be down to the government of the day. I have never heard any organisation or individual outside government stand up and say `THIS PROBLEM WAS OUR FAULT` We have a media that instantly jumps on all negative aspects of life as long as it is slagging off the political party they do not support. We have an NHS that, if you listen to the Media, is a downright dangerous place to visit where the truth is far from that. NOTE: all the ambulance chaser claims get paid out of the Hospital budget and so takes money from us all. We have a Population that thinks all responsibilities and problems of life belong to either national or local government. For every right (for our self) we have we also have a responsibility (to others).[/p][/quote]No - only 25% is due to the government of the day. The rest is due to the inheritance of Thatcher.[/p][/quote]If you are talking about the way the Thatcher government relaxed the banking rules, this lends credence to what I said. They set out a policy for growth, it was the banks that acted irresponsibly with their lending and it was all of us that borrowed irresponsibly without any thought of the cost. Hence, years later, when the ferryman asked for his fare, all hell broke loose, which the government of the day ( labour ) where left no other choice but to bail the banks out which, in turn, left the present government no other choice than to try and reduce our out of control national debt. So you see that, given the above, very little of our present financial woes are down to either the old Labour government or the present Tory one. They both where forced to react to circumstances created by out of control banks and their irresponsible borrowers. sburman

12:09pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Welcome to Southampton David, you have saved this country after Labour's terrible over spending and lack of controls.
I cant believe how you can post such a cringeworthy and such an embarassingly poor piece such as this.
.
Still ...... i supposes that it typifies you ......... Just not in touch with anything.
,,,, ...... Excuse me whilst i vomit
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Welcome to Southampton David, you have saved this country after Labour's terrible over spending and lack of controls.[/p][/quote]I cant believe how you can post such a cringeworthy and such an embarassingly poor piece such as this. . Still ...... i supposes that it typifies you ......... Just not in touch with anything. ,,,, ...... Excuse me whilst i vomit Lone Ranger.

12:10pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Welcome Dave, this country owes you and George an enormous debt for stopping the years of Labour rot. Growth up, unemployment down, taxes down and making the working majority better off than the workshy.
I hope the grim face of Southampton doesn't spoil your day to much we did have a Tory council for a while and things started to look up but for now we are stuck with the liars again.
Ah another one who cant handle democracy ....... unless its in their favour
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Welcome Dave, this country owes you and George an enormous debt for stopping the years of Labour rot. Growth up, unemployment down, taxes down and making the working majority better off than the workshy. I hope the grim face of Southampton doesn't spoil your day to much we did have a Tory council for a while and things started to look up but for now we are stuck with the liars again.[/p][/quote]Ah another one who cant handle democracy ....... unless its in their favour Lone Ranger.

12:13pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Linesman says...

sburman wrote:
For pity sake wrote:
sburman wrote:
I could never understand why our problems are always the politician’s fault no matter which party they belong to. No matter what problem exists, be it the economy, social services, media, crime, NHS and all the rest it always seems to be down to the government of the day. I have never heard any organisation or individual outside government stand up and say `THIS PROBLEM WAS OUR FAULT`
We have a media that instantly jumps on all negative aspects of life as long as it is slagging off the political party they do not support.
We have an NHS that, if you listen to the Media, is a downright dangerous place to visit where the truth is far from that. NOTE: all the ambulance chaser claims get paid out of the Hospital budget and so takes money from us all.
We have a Population that thinks all responsibilities and problems of life belong to either national or local government.
For every right (for our self) we have we also have a responsibility (to others).
No - only 25% is due to the government of the day. The rest is due to the inheritance of Thatcher.
If you are talking about the way the Thatcher government relaxed the banking rules, this lends credence to what I said.
They set out a policy for growth, it was the banks that acted irresponsibly with their lending and it was all of us that borrowed irresponsibly without any thought of the cost. Hence, years later, when the ferryman asked for his fare, all hell broke loose, which the government of the day ( labour ) where left no other choice but to bail the banks out which, in turn, left the present government no other choice than to try and reduce our out of control national debt.
So you see that, given the above, very little of our present financial woes are down to either the old Labour government or the present Tory one. They both where forced to react to circumstances created by out of control banks and their irresponsible borrowers.
They also sold off the country's assets, claiming that competition would keep prices down and improve efficiency.

Gas prices up considerably faster than inflation, and mainly owned by foreign companies.

Electricity. The same as gas.

Transport.
Where once we had the Corporation Bus Service, that SERVED the community, we now have bus Companies, that put profit before service and shareholders before customers.

Railways.
This was fragmented, not for efficiency, but to make it virtually impossible for it to be re-nationalised. This has not resulted in the better service and cheaper fares that we were told that privatisation and competition would bring, but higher fares, poorer service, but we, the tax-payers, are still subsidising the railways and the shareholders are picking up a dividend.
[quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]For pity sake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: I could never understand why our problems are always the politician’s fault no matter which party they belong to. No matter what problem exists, be it the economy, social services, media, crime, NHS and all the rest it always seems to be down to the government of the day. I have never heard any organisation or individual outside government stand up and say `THIS PROBLEM WAS OUR FAULT` We have a media that instantly jumps on all negative aspects of life as long as it is slagging off the political party they do not support. We have an NHS that, if you listen to the Media, is a downright dangerous place to visit where the truth is far from that. NOTE: all the ambulance chaser claims get paid out of the Hospital budget and so takes money from us all. We have a Population that thinks all responsibilities and problems of life belong to either national or local government. For every right (for our self) we have we also have a responsibility (to others).[/p][/quote]No - only 25% is due to the government of the day. The rest is due to the inheritance of Thatcher.[/p][/quote]If you are talking about the way the Thatcher government relaxed the banking rules, this lends credence to what I said. They set out a policy for growth, it was the banks that acted irresponsibly with their lending and it was all of us that borrowed irresponsibly without any thought of the cost. Hence, years later, when the ferryman asked for his fare, all hell broke loose, which the government of the day ( labour ) where left no other choice but to bail the banks out which, in turn, left the present government no other choice than to try and reduce our out of control national debt. So you see that, given the above, very little of our present financial woes are down to either the old Labour government or the present Tory one. They both where forced to react to circumstances created by out of control banks and their irresponsible borrowers.[/p][/quote]They also sold off the country's assets, claiming that competition would keep prices down and improve efficiency. Gas prices up considerably faster than inflation, and mainly owned by foreign companies. Electricity. The same as gas. Transport. Where once we had the Corporation Bus Service, that SERVED the community, we now have bus Companies, that put profit before service and shareholders before customers. Railways. This was fragmented, not for efficiency, but to make it virtually impossible for it to be re-nationalised. This has not resulted in the better service and cheaper fares that we were told that privatisation and competition would bring, but higher fares, poorer service, but we, the tax-payers, are still subsidising the railways and the shareholders are picking up a dividend. Linesman

12:33pm Thu 2 Jan 14

sburman says...

Linesman wrote:
sburman wrote:
For pity sake wrote:
sburman wrote:
I could never understand why our problems are always the politician’s fault no matter which party they belong to. No matter what problem exists, be it the economy, social services, media, crime, NHS and all the rest it always seems to be down to the government of the day. I have never heard any organisation or individual outside government stand up and say `THIS PROBLEM WAS OUR FAULT`
We have a media that instantly jumps on all negative aspects of life as long as it is slagging off the political party they do not support.
We have an NHS that, if you listen to the Media, is a downright dangerous place to visit where the truth is far from that. NOTE: all the ambulance chaser claims get paid out of the Hospital budget and so takes money from us all.
We have a Population that thinks all responsibilities and problems of life belong to either national or local government.
For every right (for our self) we have we also have a responsibility (to others).
No - only 25% is due to the government of the day. The rest is due to the inheritance of Thatcher.
If you are talking about the way the Thatcher government relaxed the banking rules, this lends credence to what I said.
They set out a policy for growth, it was the banks that acted irresponsibly with their lending and it was all of us that borrowed irresponsibly without any thought of the cost. Hence, years later, when the ferryman asked for his fare, all hell broke loose, which the government of the day ( labour ) where left no other choice but to bail the banks out which, in turn, left the present government no other choice than to try and reduce our out of control national debt.
So you see that, given the above, very little of our present financial woes are down to either the old Labour government or the present Tory one. They both where forced to react to circumstances created by out of control banks and their irresponsible borrowers.
They also sold off the country's assets, claiming that competition would keep prices down and improve efficiency.

Gas prices up considerably faster than inflation, and mainly owned by foreign companies.

Electricity. The same as gas.

Transport.
Where once we had the Corporation Bus Service, that SERVED the community, we now have bus Companies, that put profit before service and shareholders before customers.

Railways.
This was fragmented, not for efficiency, but to make it virtually impossible for it to be re-nationalised. This has not resulted in the better service and cheaper fares that we were told that privatisation and competition would bring, but higher fares, poorer service, but we, the tax-payers, are still subsidising the railways and the shareholders are picking up a dividend.
Maybe because the nationalised industries of the day where too much under control of the over politicised unions. Unions who should have been looking after the interest of their members were too busy making political stands. Unions who were making this country the laughing stock of Europe. Unions who stood in the way of modernisation of industries, hence these industries went into an irreversible decline. Did you notice that the next Labour government did nothing to reverse these Thatcher industrial policies

Please note: I was a shop steward in one of these said same unions and listened with dismay to some of the things that were done and said in the name of socialism.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]For pity sake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: I could never understand why our problems are always the politician’s fault no matter which party they belong to. No matter what problem exists, be it the economy, social services, media, crime, NHS and all the rest it always seems to be down to the government of the day. I have never heard any organisation or individual outside government stand up and say `THIS PROBLEM WAS OUR FAULT` We have a media that instantly jumps on all negative aspects of life as long as it is slagging off the political party they do not support. We have an NHS that, if you listen to the Media, is a downright dangerous place to visit where the truth is far from that. NOTE: all the ambulance chaser claims get paid out of the Hospital budget and so takes money from us all. We have a Population that thinks all responsibilities and problems of life belong to either national or local government. For every right (for our self) we have we also have a responsibility (to others).[/p][/quote]No - only 25% is due to the government of the day. The rest is due to the inheritance of Thatcher.[/p][/quote]If you are talking about the way the Thatcher government relaxed the banking rules, this lends credence to what I said. They set out a policy for growth, it was the banks that acted irresponsibly with their lending and it was all of us that borrowed irresponsibly without any thought of the cost. Hence, years later, when the ferryman asked for his fare, all hell broke loose, which the government of the day ( labour ) where left no other choice but to bail the banks out which, in turn, left the present government no other choice than to try and reduce our out of control national debt. So you see that, given the above, very little of our present financial woes are down to either the old Labour government or the present Tory one. They both where forced to react to circumstances created by out of control banks and their irresponsible borrowers.[/p][/quote]They also sold off the country's assets, claiming that competition would keep prices down and improve efficiency. Gas prices up considerably faster than inflation, and mainly owned by foreign companies. Electricity. The same as gas. Transport. Where once we had the Corporation Bus Service, that SERVED the community, we now have bus Companies, that put profit before service and shareholders before customers. Railways. This was fragmented, not for efficiency, but to make it virtually impossible for it to be re-nationalised. This has not resulted in the better service and cheaper fares that we were told that privatisation and competition would bring, but higher fares, poorer service, but we, the tax-payers, are still subsidising the railways and the shareholders are picking up a dividend.[/p][/quote]Maybe because the nationalised industries of the day where too much under control of the over politicised unions. Unions who should have been looking after the interest of their members were too busy making political stands. Unions who were making this country the laughing stock of Europe. Unions who stood in the way of modernisation of industries, hence these industries went into an irreversible decline. Did you notice that the next Labour government did nothing to reverse these Thatcher industrial policies Please note: I was a shop steward in one of these said same unions and listened with dismay to some of the things that were done and said in the name of socialism. sburman

12:41pm Thu 2 Jan 14

good-gosh says...

I think he popped down to get away from it all – it’s a nice quite drive here and back. Have a drive round the Forest on the way home.
I think he popped down to get away from it all – it’s a nice quite drive here and back. Have a drive round the Forest on the way home. good-gosh

12:52pm Thu 2 Jan 14

sburman says...

Maybe because the nationalised industries of the day where too much under control of the over politicised unions. Unions who should have been looking after the interest of their members were too busy making political stands. Unions who were making this country the laughing stock of Europe. Unions who stood in the way of modernisation of industries, hence these industries went into an irreversible decline. Did you notice that the next Labour government did nothing to reverse these Thatcher industrial policies

Please note: I was a shop steward in one of these said same unions and listened with dismay to some of the things that were done and said in the name of socialism.
Maybe because the nationalised industries of the day where too much under control of the over politicised unions. Unions who should have been looking after the interest of their members were too busy making political stands. Unions who were making this country the laughing stock of Europe. Unions who stood in the way of modernisation of industries, hence these industries went into an irreversible decline. Did you notice that the next Labour government did nothing to reverse these Thatcher industrial policies Please note: I was a shop steward in one of these said same unions and listened with dismay to some of the things that were done and said in the name of socialism. sburman

2:33pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

eurogordi wrote:
Go away Cameron. We don't want you in Southampton. We don't want you in this country. You and your cabinet cronies are just little posh boys who know NOTHING of the real world.
Whether we like the out of touch arrogant posh boys or dislike them, they are not going to 'go away' just because some of us are allergic to ConDem government.

Our democratic system has put them into the positions of power, admittedly with the help of NuLabourites who for 13 years kept on betraying Labour values, and by implementing Thatcherism made Tories electable once again. So nation is paying the price for the follies of Blair and Brown led virtual Tory government, of which Milliband and most of his mob were integral part.

Only way to get rid of these puppets of the super rich and parasites of the ordinary working class is to recreate political party with different ideology than all the main parties, which are virtually the same i.e. pro super rich and anti working class
[quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: Go away Cameron. We don't want you in Southampton. We don't want you in this country. You and your cabinet cronies are just little posh boys who know NOTHING of the real world.[/p][/quote]Whether we like the out of touch arrogant posh boys or dislike them, they are not going to 'go away' just because some of us are allergic to ConDem government. Our democratic system has put them into the positions of power, admittedly with the help of NuLabourites who for 13 years kept on betraying Labour values, and by implementing Thatcherism made Tories electable once again. So nation is paying the price for the follies of Blair and Brown led virtual Tory government, of which Milliband and most of his mob were integral part. Only way to get rid of these puppets of the super rich and parasites of the ordinary working class is to recreate political party with different ideology than all the main parties, which are virtually the same i.e. pro super rich and anti working class Paramjit Bahia

2:45pm Thu 2 Jan 14

ameliaS says...

The sooner all the children go back to school next week, the better.Then perhaps we will return to grown-up comments. The article is about Help to Buy and other schemes to to enable people to have a home of their own. Any comments? It is quite correct for the Prime Minister to visit any part of the country. If you don't have any respect for the man, you could at least show some respect for the office he holds. If you can't be civil, please be quiet until you've learned some good manners.
The sooner all the children go back to school next week, the better.Then perhaps we will return to grown-up comments. The article is about Help to Buy and other schemes to to enable people to have a home of their own. Any comments? It is quite correct for the Prime Minister to visit any part of the country. If you don't have any respect for the man, you could at least show some respect for the office he holds. If you can't be civil, please be quiet until you've learned some good manners. ameliaS

3:05pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Linesman wrote:
sburman wrote:
For pity sake wrote:
sburman wrote:
I could never understand why our problems are always the politician’s fault no matter which party they belong to. No matter what problem exists, be it the economy, social services, media, crime, NHS and all the rest it always seems to be down to the government of the day. I have never heard any organisation or individual outside government stand up and say `THIS PROBLEM WAS OUR FAULT`
We have a media that instantly jumps on all negative aspects of life as long as it is slagging off the political party they do not support.
We have an NHS that, if you listen to the Media, is a downright dangerous place to visit where the truth is far from that. NOTE: all the ambulance chaser claims get paid out of the Hospital budget and so takes money from us all.
We have a Population that thinks all responsibilities and problems of life belong to either national or local government.
For every right (for our self) we have we also have a responsibility (to others).
No - only 25% is due to the government of the day. The rest is due to the inheritance of Thatcher.
If you are talking about the way the Thatcher government relaxed the banking rules, this lends credence to what I said.
They set out a policy for growth, it was the banks that acted irresponsibly with their lending and it was all of us that borrowed irresponsibly without any thought of the cost. Hence, years later, when the ferryman asked for his fare, all hell broke loose, which the government of the day ( labour ) where left no other choice but to bail the banks out which, in turn, left the present government no other choice than to try and reduce our out of control national debt.
So you see that, given the above, very little of our present financial woes are down to either the old Labour government or the present Tory one. They both where forced to react to circumstances created by out of control banks and their irresponsible borrowers.
They also sold off the country's assets, claiming that competition would keep prices down and improve efficiency.

Gas prices up considerably faster than inflation, and mainly owned by foreign companies.

Electricity. The same as gas.

Transport.
Where once we had the Corporation Bus Service, that SERVED the community, we now have bus Companies, that put profit before service and shareholders before customers.

Railways.
This was fragmented, not for efficiency, but to make it virtually impossible for it to be re-nationalised. This has not resulted in the better service and cheaper fares that we were told that privatisation and competition would bring, but higher fares, poorer service, but we, the tax-payers, are still subsidising the railways and the shareholders are picking up a dividend.
Sorry to point out, in Southampton it was Labour Council that sold the City Bus, which was successful arms length company owned by the Council. In fact it was well managed operation that City Bus had bought some other bus and coach companies, including one in Portsmouth, which was owned by Tory Council.

For your info, as chairman of City Bus I once had a meeting with NuLabour's certain John Prescott, who even in opposition refused my suggestion that when in power they will not force Councils to sell bus companies. He was blunt that under Labour there will be NO renationalising public transport.

Yes I do love your Tory bashing, but in all fairness the last NuLabour government of which most of Milliband led mob were part, was hardly any different than the Tories under Thatcher. In fact they on many issues they were on right of Thatcher. Took us into Iraq war, started privatising NHS, introduced student fees, helped bankers, refused to honour manifesto pledge on refrendum on the EU after Lisbon etc etc etc.

Any way wish you a happy new year, and good luck with flying anti Tory flag
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]For pity sake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: I could never understand why our problems are always the politician’s fault no matter which party they belong to. No matter what problem exists, be it the economy, social services, media, crime, NHS and all the rest it always seems to be down to the government of the day. I have never heard any organisation or individual outside government stand up and say `THIS PROBLEM WAS OUR FAULT` We have a media that instantly jumps on all negative aspects of life as long as it is slagging off the political party they do not support. We have an NHS that, if you listen to the Media, is a downright dangerous place to visit where the truth is far from that. NOTE: all the ambulance chaser claims get paid out of the Hospital budget and so takes money from us all. We have a Population that thinks all responsibilities and problems of life belong to either national or local government. For every right (for our self) we have we also have a responsibility (to others).[/p][/quote]No - only 25% is due to the government of the day. The rest is due to the inheritance of Thatcher.[/p][/quote]If you are talking about the way the Thatcher government relaxed the banking rules, this lends credence to what I said. They set out a policy for growth, it was the banks that acted irresponsibly with their lending and it was all of us that borrowed irresponsibly without any thought of the cost. Hence, years later, when the ferryman asked for his fare, all hell broke loose, which the government of the day ( labour ) where left no other choice but to bail the banks out which, in turn, left the present government no other choice than to try and reduce our out of control national debt. So you see that, given the above, very little of our present financial woes are down to either the old Labour government or the present Tory one. They both where forced to react to circumstances created by out of control banks and their irresponsible borrowers.[/p][/quote]They also sold off the country's assets, claiming that competition would keep prices down and improve efficiency. Gas prices up considerably faster than inflation, and mainly owned by foreign companies. Electricity. The same as gas. Transport. Where once we had the Corporation Bus Service, that SERVED the community, we now have bus Companies, that put profit before service and shareholders before customers. Railways. This was fragmented, not for efficiency, but to make it virtually impossible for it to be re-nationalised. This has not resulted in the better service and cheaper fares that we were told that privatisation and competition would bring, but higher fares, poorer service, but we, the tax-payers, are still subsidising the railways and the shareholders are picking up a dividend.[/p][/quote]Sorry to point out, in Southampton it was Labour Council that sold the City Bus, which was successful arms length company owned by the Council. In fact it was well managed operation that City Bus had bought some other bus and coach companies, including one in Portsmouth, which was owned by Tory Council. For your info, as chairman of City Bus I once had a meeting with NuLabour's certain John Prescott, who even in opposition refused my suggestion that when in power they will not force Councils to sell bus companies. He was blunt that under Labour there will be NO renationalising public transport. Yes I do love your Tory bashing, but in all fairness the last NuLabour government of which most of Milliband led mob were part, was hardly any different than the Tories under Thatcher. In fact they on many issues they were on right of Thatcher. Took us into Iraq war, started privatising NHS, introduced student fees, helped bankers, refused to honour manifesto pledge on refrendum on the EU after Lisbon etc etc etc. Any way wish you a happy new year, and good luck with flying anti Tory flag Paramjit Bahia

3:32pm Thu 2 Jan 14

RomseyKeith says...

Never mind all that politics rubbish. (Let's face it,politics is something people can argue until the ends of the earth, there'll never be agreement).
How stunning is Sharon Ray? She looks absolutely gorgeous. I wouldn't mind a cup of tea with her on her sofa...
Never mind all that politics rubbish. (Let's face it,politics is something people can argue until the ends of the earth, there'll never be agreement). How stunning is Sharon Ray? She looks absolutely gorgeous. I wouldn't mind a cup of tea with her on her sofa... RomseyKeith

4:36pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Torchie1 says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
Go away Cameron. We don't want you in Southampton. We don't want you in this country. You and your cabinet cronies are just little posh boys who know NOTHING of the real world.
Whether we like the out of touch arrogant posh boys or dislike them, they are not going to 'go away' just because some of us are allergic to ConDem government.

Our democratic system has put them into the positions of power, admittedly with the help of NuLabourites who for 13 years kept on betraying Labour values, and by implementing Thatcherism made Tories electable once again. So nation is paying the price for the follies of Blair and Brown led virtual Tory government, of which Milliband and most of his mob were integral part.

Only way to get rid of these puppets of the super rich and parasites of the ordinary working class is to recreate political party with different ideology than all the main parties, which are virtually the same i.e. pro super rich and anti working class
Over the years there have been various partys formed with left leaning tendencies that were going to right all of the perceived wrongs of capitalism. Unfortunately the fairest system of election has consistently shown that the majority of votes cast are in favour of retaining the system that you are constantly trying to tell us is wrong. Ask yourself why.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: Go away Cameron. We don't want you in Southampton. We don't want you in this country. You and your cabinet cronies are just little posh boys who know NOTHING of the real world.[/p][/quote]Whether we like the out of touch arrogant posh boys or dislike them, they are not going to 'go away' just because some of us are allergic to ConDem government. Our democratic system has put them into the positions of power, admittedly with the help of NuLabourites who for 13 years kept on betraying Labour values, and by implementing Thatcherism made Tories electable once again. So nation is paying the price for the follies of Blair and Brown led virtual Tory government, of which Milliband and most of his mob were integral part. Only way to get rid of these puppets of the super rich and parasites of the ordinary working class is to recreate political party with different ideology than all the main parties, which are virtually the same i.e. pro super rich and anti working class[/p][/quote]Over the years there have been various partys formed with left leaning tendencies that were going to right all of the perceived wrongs of capitalism. Unfortunately the fairest system of election has consistently shown that the majority of votes cast are in favour of retaining the system that you are constantly trying to tell us is wrong. Ask yourself why. Torchie1

4:43pm Thu 2 Jan 14

andysaints007 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Welcome to Southampton David, you have saved this country after Labour's terrible over spending and lack of controls.
I cant believe how you can post such a cringeworthy and such an embarassingly poor piece such as this.
.
Still ...... i supposes that it typifies you ......... Just not in touch with anything.
,,,, ...... Excuse me whilst i vomit
Nearly as bad as the usual tripe you come out with rectum ranger !
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Welcome to Southampton David, you have saved this country after Labour's terrible over spending and lack of controls.[/p][/quote]I cant believe how you can post such a cringeworthy and such an embarassingly poor piece such as this. . Still ...... i supposes that it typifies you ......... Just not in touch with anything. ,,,, ...... Excuse me whilst i vomit[/p][/quote]Nearly as bad as the usual tripe you come out with rectum ranger ! andysaints007

4:54pm Thu 2 Jan 14

IronLady2010 says...

I'm just in shock Southy hasn't taken over the comment section. My dear friend Mr Bahia was quick to join in.

Glad Cameron could find time to join us, many thanks.
I'm just in shock Southy hasn't taken over the comment section. My dear friend Mr Bahia was quick to join in. Glad Cameron could find time to join us, many thanks. IronLady2010

5:10pm Thu 2 Jan 14

03alpe01 says...

Did someone ask him how much a loaf of bread costs?
Did someone ask him how much a loaf of bread costs? 03alpe01

5:22pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
Go away Cameron. We don't want you in Southampton. We don't want you in this country. You and your cabinet cronies are just little posh boys who know NOTHING of the real world.
Whether we like the out of touch arrogant posh boys or dislike them, they are not going to 'go away' just because some of us are allergic to ConDem government.

Our democratic system has put them into the positions of power, admittedly with the help of NuLabourites who for 13 years kept on betraying Labour values, and by implementing Thatcherism made Tories electable once again. So nation is paying the price for the follies of Blair and Brown led virtual Tory government, of which Milliband and most of his mob were integral part.

Only way to get rid of these puppets of the super rich and parasites of the ordinary working class is to recreate political party with different ideology than all the main parties, which are virtually the same i.e. pro super rich and anti working class
Over the years there have been various partys formed with left leaning tendencies that were going to right all of the perceived wrongs of capitalism. Unfortunately the fairest system of election has consistently shown that the majority of votes cast are in favour of retaining the system that you are constantly trying to tell us is wrong. Ask yourself why.
May be on its last legs but while the season of goodwill is still around, I may agree with your basic point!!!

Our main problem of the left is cannibalism; most of us waste more time on attacking each other than tackling the real problem, the parties of the right.

Socialism's biggest enemy is inbuilt greed, which has become part of the human DNA. Difficult but not impossible mountain to climb. Sadly many get frustrated and give up. So advantage capitalism.

Unlike others most on the left, including me, tend to trust fellow members of the human race too much. So often get infiltrated by opportunists, like son of a hard line Thatcherite Blair or son of a priest Brown etc did.

They stitch up genuine socialists within the movement and hijack parties of the left for promoting their own career. Politically Dodgy Denham and his mates of Junction Mafia did it in Southampton, and former priest pretending to be communist Stalin hijacked communism in Russia and damaged brand name ‘Socialism’ in a big way.

Sadly everybody in this world is not highly principled like Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela, which is our biggest handicap. But that has never and hope will not deter me and many others from keep on ‘trying’ to follow their foot steps. Some may think it to be addiction to mental masturbation, too much idealism or what ever but at the end of the day we will die with clean conscience, and won’t have to start doing confessions to some paedophile priests when on the death bed, as NuLabour is pretending to do these days for having betrayed its core supporters during 13 years in power, which not only created crisis but also proved that capitalism and economic disasters are the two names of the same evil
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: Go away Cameron. We don't want you in Southampton. We don't want you in this country. You and your cabinet cronies are just little posh boys who know NOTHING of the real world.[/p][/quote]Whether we like the out of touch arrogant posh boys or dislike them, they are not going to 'go away' just because some of us are allergic to ConDem government. Our democratic system has put them into the positions of power, admittedly with the help of NuLabourites who for 13 years kept on betraying Labour values, and by implementing Thatcherism made Tories electable once again. So nation is paying the price for the follies of Blair and Brown led virtual Tory government, of which Milliband and most of his mob were integral part. Only way to get rid of these puppets of the super rich and parasites of the ordinary working class is to recreate political party with different ideology than all the main parties, which are virtually the same i.e. pro super rich and anti working class[/p][/quote]Over the years there have been various partys formed with left leaning tendencies that were going to right all of the perceived wrongs of capitalism. Unfortunately the fairest system of election has consistently shown that the majority of votes cast are in favour of retaining the system that you are constantly trying to tell us is wrong. Ask yourself why.[/p][/quote]May be on its last legs but while the season of goodwill is still around, I may agree with your basic point!!! Our main problem of the left is cannibalism; most of us waste more time on attacking each other than tackling the real problem, the parties of the right. Socialism's biggest enemy is inbuilt greed, which has become part of the human DNA. Difficult but not impossible mountain to climb. Sadly many get frustrated and give up. So advantage capitalism. Unlike others most on the left, including me, tend to trust fellow members of the human race too much. So often get infiltrated by opportunists, like son of a hard line Thatcherite Blair or son of a priest Brown etc did. They stitch up genuine socialists within the movement and hijack parties of the left for promoting their own career. Politically Dodgy Denham and his mates of Junction Mafia did it in Southampton, and former priest pretending to be communist Stalin hijacked communism in Russia and damaged brand name ‘Socialism’ in a big way. Sadly everybody in this world is not highly principled like Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela, which is our biggest handicap. But that has never and hope will not deter me and many others from keep on ‘trying’ to follow their foot steps. Some may think it to be addiction to mental masturbation, too much idealism or what ever but at the end of the day we will die with clean conscience, and won’t have to start doing confessions to some paedophile priests when on the death bed, as NuLabour is pretending to do these days for having betrayed its core supporters during 13 years in power, which not only created crisis but also proved that capitalism and economic disasters are the two names of the same evil Paramjit Bahia

5:23pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Redhaired22 says...

03alpe01 wrote:
Did someone ask him how much a loaf of bread costs?
Wonder if that lady wants to show him her electric/gas bills!!

JogOn off CamMoron, you're not welcome here!
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Did someone ask him how much a loaf of bread costs?[/p][/quote]Wonder if that lady wants to show him her electric/gas bills!! JogOn off CamMoron, you're not welcome here! Redhaired22

5:26pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

03alpe01 wrote:
Did someone ask him how much a loaf of bread costs?
In local Tesco or Harrrdos, the posh people's shopping mecca not far from Downing Street?
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Did someone ask him how much a loaf of bread costs?[/p][/quote]In local Tesco or Harrrdos, the posh people's shopping mecca not far from Downing Street? Paramjit Bahia

5:27pm Thu 2 Jan 14

aldermoorboy says...

Lone Ranger, may I suggest you go to finishing school to improve your manners, then the doctor's for this continuing bitterness.
Lone Ranger, may I suggest you go to finishing school to improve your manners, then the doctor's for this continuing bitterness. aldermoorboy

6:00pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Linesman says...

sburman wrote:
Linesman wrote:
sburman wrote:
For pity sake wrote:
sburman wrote:
I could never understand why our problems are always the politician’s fault no matter which party they belong to. No matter what problem exists, be it the economy, social services, media, crime, NHS and all the rest it always seems to be down to the government of the day. I have never heard any organisation or individual outside government stand up and say `THIS PROBLEM WAS OUR FAULT`
We have a media that instantly jumps on all negative aspects of life as long as it is slagging off the political party they do not support.
We have an NHS that, if you listen to the Media, is a downright dangerous place to visit where the truth is far from that. NOTE: all the ambulance chaser claims get paid out of the Hospital budget and so takes money from us all.
We have a Population that thinks all responsibilities and problems of life belong to either national or local government.
For every right (for our self) we have we also have a responsibility (to others).
No - only 25% is due to the government of the day. The rest is due to the inheritance of Thatcher.
If you are talking about the way the Thatcher government relaxed the banking rules, this lends credence to what I said.
They set out a policy for growth, it was the banks that acted irresponsibly with their lending and it was all of us that borrowed irresponsibly without any thought of the cost. Hence, years later, when the ferryman asked for his fare, all hell broke loose, which the government of the day ( labour ) where left no other choice but to bail the banks out which, in turn, left the present government no other choice than to try and reduce our out of control national debt.
So you see that, given the above, very little of our present financial woes are down to either the old Labour government or the present Tory one. They both where forced to react to circumstances created by out of control banks and their irresponsible borrowers.
They also sold off the country's assets, claiming that competition would keep prices down and improve efficiency.

Gas prices up considerably faster than inflation, and mainly owned by foreign companies.

Electricity. The same as gas.

Transport.
Where once we had the Corporation Bus Service, that SERVED the community, we now have bus Companies, that put profit before service and shareholders before customers.

Railways.
This was fragmented, not for efficiency, but to make it virtually impossible for it to be re-nationalised. This has not resulted in the better service and cheaper fares that we were told that privatisation and competition would bring, but higher fares, poorer service, but we, the tax-payers, are still subsidising the railways and the shareholders are picking up a dividend.
Maybe because the nationalised industries of the day where too much under control of the over politicised unions. Unions who should have been looking after the interest of their members were too busy making political stands. Unions who were making this country the laughing stock of Europe. Unions who stood in the way of modernisation of industries, hence these industries went into an irreversible decline. Did you notice that the next Labour government did nothing to reverse these Thatcher industrial policies

Please note: I was a shop steward in one of these said same unions and listened with dismay to some of the things that were done and said in the name of socialism.
So you prefer them to be in foreign ownership.

Perhaps you could tell me what benefits you have witnessed from this sell-off.
[quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]For pity sake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: I could never understand why our problems are always the politician’s fault no matter which party they belong to. No matter what problem exists, be it the economy, social services, media, crime, NHS and all the rest it always seems to be down to the government of the day. I have never heard any organisation or individual outside government stand up and say `THIS PROBLEM WAS OUR FAULT` We have a media that instantly jumps on all negative aspects of life as long as it is slagging off the political party they do not support. We have an NHS that, if you listen to the Media, is a downright dangerous place to visit where the truth is far from that. NOTE: all the ambulance chaser claims get paid out of the Hospital budget and so takes money from us all. We have a Population that thinks all responsibilities and problems of life belong to either national or local government. For every right (for our self) we have we also have a responsibility (to others).[/p][/quote]No - only 25% is due to the government of the day. The rest is due to the inheritance of Thatcher.[/p][/quote]If you are talking about the way the Thatcher government relaxed the banking rules, this lends credence to what I said. They set out a policy for growth, it was the banks that acted irresponsibly with their lending and it was all of us that borrowed irresponsibly without any thought of the cost. Hence, years later, when the ferryman asked for his fare, all hell broke loose, which the government of the day ( labour ) where left no other choice but to bail the banks out which, in turn, left the present government no other choice than to try and reduce our out of control national debt. So you see that, given the above, very little of our present financial woes are down to either the old Labour government or the present Tory one. They both where forced to react to circumstances created by out of control banks and their irresponsible borrowers.[/p][/quote]They also sold off the country's assets, claiming that competition would keep prices down and improve efficiency. Gas prices up considerably faster than inflation, and mainly owned by foreign companies. Electricity. The same as gas. Transport. Where once we had the Corporation Bus Service, that SERVED the community, we now have bus Companies, that put profit before service and shareholders before customers. Railways. This was fragmented, not for efficiency, but to make it virtually impossible for it to be re-nationalised. This has not resulted in the better service and cheaper fares that we were told that privatisation and competition would bring, but higher fares, poorer service, but we, the tax-payers, are still subsidising the railways and the shareholders are picking up a dividend.[/p][/quote]Maybe because the nationalised industries of the day where too much under control of the over politicised unions. Unions who should have been looking after the interest of their members were too busy making political stands. Unions who were making this country the laughing stock of Europe. Unions who stood in the way of modernisation of industries, hence these industries went into an irreversible decline. Did you notice that the next Labour government did nothing to reverse these Thatcher industrial policies Please note: I was a shop steward in one of these said same unions and listened with dismay to some of the things that were done and said in the name of socialism.[/p][/quote]So you prefer them to be in foreign ownership. Perhaps you could tell me what benefits you have witnessed from this sell-off. Linesman

6:04pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Linesman says...

sburman wrote:
Maybe because the nationalised industries of the day where too much under control of the over politicised unions. Unions who should have been looking after the interest of their members were too busy making political stands. Unions who were making this country the laughing stock of Europe. Unions who stood in the way of modernisation of industries, hence these industries went into an irreversible decline. Did you notice that the next Labour government did nothing to reverse these Thatcher industrial policies

Please note: I was a shop steward in one of these said same unions and listened with dismay to some of the things that were done and said in the name of socialism.
As you claim that you were listening with dismay to some of the thing that were done and said in the name of socialism, what did you do about it?

Any Union is as good as its membership makes it.

Did you sit back and do nothing, or did you put your name forward for election to a position where you could have done something positive?

My betting is that you sat back and did nothing.
[quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: Maybe because the nationalised industries of the day where too much under control of the over politicised unions. Unions who should have been looking after the interest of their members were too busy making political stands. Unions who were making this country the laughing stock of Europe. Unions who stood in the way of modernisation of industries, hence these industries went into an irreversible decline. Did you notice that the next Labour government did nothing to reverse these Thatcher industrial policies Please note: I was a shop steward in one of these said same unions and listened with dismay to some of the things that were done and said in the name of socialism.[/p][/quote]As you claim that you were listening with dismay to some of the thing that were done and said in the name of socialism, what did you do about it? Any Union is as good as its membership makes it. Did you sit back and do nothing, or did you put your name forward for election to a position where you could have done something positive? My betting is that you sat back and did nothing. Linesman

6:12pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Lone Ranger, may I suggest you go to finishing school to improve your manners, then the doctor's for this continuing bitterness.
Oh dear aldermoorboy ........ If you post on an open forum, as we both do, you must be grown up enough to accept a bit of criticism from others.
.
I dont believe anything in my original post was inaccurate in aany way as it described my interpretation of your post.
.
To be quite honest i am quite surprised that you would have posted it in the first place ......... additionally, there are other posts that are far more shall we say "descriptive" than mine aimed at you yet you cose to ignore those ... Why ? .........
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Lone Ranger, may I suggest you go to finishing school to improve your manners, then the doctor's for this continuing bitterness.[/p][/quote]Oh dear aldermoorboy ........ If you post on an open forum, as we both do, you must be grown up enough to accept a bit of criticism from others. . I dont believe anything in my original post was inaccurate in aany way as it described my interpretation of your post. . To be quite honest i am quite surprised that you would have posted it in the first place ......... additionally, there are other posts that are far more shall we say "descriptive" than mine aimed at you yet you cose to ignore those ... Why ? ......... Lone Ranger.

7:31pm Thu 2 Jan 14

03alpe01 says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Did someone ask him how much a loaf of bread costs?
In local Tesco or Harrrdos, the posh people's shopping mecca not far from Downing Street?
the local Tesco. The one normal people would use
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Did someone ask him how much a loaf of bread costs?[/p][/quote]In local Tesco or Harrrdos, the posh people's shopping mecca not far from Downing Street?[/p][/quote]the local Tesco. The one normal people would use 03alpe01

7:34pm Thu 2 Jan 14

mickey01 says...

when i saw the raw sewerage leaks in to town headline i thought i had mixed up the stories .... seems not
when i saw the raw sewerage leaks in to town headline i thought i had mixed up the stories .... seems not mickey01

7:44pm Thu 2 Jan 14

good-gosh says...

03alpe01 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Did someone ask him how much a loaf of bread costs?
In local Tesco or Harrrdos, the posh people's shopping mecca not far from Downing Street?
the local Tesco. The one normal people would use
I've never checked the bread price but I know how much the whisky is :)
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Did someone ask him how much a loaf of bread costs?[/p][/quote]In local Tesco or Harrrdos, the posh people's shopping mecca not far from Downing Street?[/p][/quote]the local Tesco. The one normal people would use[/p][/quote]I've never checked the bread price but I know how much the whisky is :) good-gosh

7:48pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Torchie1 says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
Go away Cameron. We don't want you in Southampton. We don't want you in this country. You and your cabinet cronies are just little posh boys who know NOTHING of the real world.
Whether we like the out of touch arrogant posh boys or dislike them, they are not going to 'go away' just because some of us are allergic to ConDem government.

Our democratic system has put them into the positions of power, admittedly with the help of NuLabourites who for 13 years kept on betraying Labour values, and by implementing Thatcherism made Tories electable once again. So nation is paying the price for the follies of Blair and Brown led virtual Tory government, of which Milliband and most of his mob were integral part.

Only way to get rid of these puppets of the super rich and parasites of the ordinary working class is to recreate political party with different ideology than all the main parties, which are virtually the same i.e. pro super rich and anti working class
Over the years there have been various partys formed with left leaning tendencies that were going to right all of the perceived wrongs of capitalism. Unfortunately the fairest system of election has consistently shown that the majority of votes cast are in favour of retaining the system that you are constantly trying to tell us is wrong. Ask yourself why.
May be on its last legs but while the season of goodwill is still around, I may agree with your basic point!!!

Our main problem of the left is cannibalism; most of us waste more time on attacking each other than tackling the real problem, the parties of the right.

Socialism's biggest enemy is inbuilt greed, which has become part of the human DNA. Difficult but not impossible mountain to climb. Sadly many get frustrated and give up. So advantage capitalism.

Unlike others most on the left, including me, tend to trust fellow members of the human race too much. So often get infiltrated by opportunists, like son of a hard line Thatcherite Blair or son of a priest Brown etc did.

They stitch up genuine socialists within the movement and hijack parties of the left for promoting their own career. Politically Dodgy Denham and his mates of Junction Mafia did it in Southampton, and former priest pretending to be communist Stalin hijacked communism in Russia and damaged brand name ‘Socialism’ in a big way.

Sadly everybody in this world is not highly principled like Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela, which is our biggest handicap. But that has never and hope will not deter me and many others from keep on ‘trying’ to follow their foot steps. Some may think it to be addiction to mental masturbation, too much idealism or what ever but at the end of the day we will die with clean conscience, and won’t have to start doing confessions to some paedophile priests when on the death bed, as NuLabour is pretending to do these days for having betrayed its core supporters during 13 years in power, which not only created crisis but also proved that capitalism and economic disasters are the two names of the same evil
You continually berate Blair for creating Nu-Labour and moving from your core values but when no-one would vote for Kinnock and Foot, Blair modernised the party and saved it from a lingering death. You might like to claim the moral high ground but socialism was the vehicle that allowed the imposition of hard left politics on half of Europe with no hope of free elections to throw off that yoke. It's ingrained in history and enough people fear it's effect to prevent it's return in free and fair elections. Leaving aside that Hitler was an extreme right version of Stalin, at least he was voted in to power by the people who didn't know that he would subsequently suspend elections. This is why you can't move forward with your plans because all of the people who are currently free to dream of winning millions on the lottery or improving their lot in life through their own efforts know that socialism will choke those dreams at birth. Life will never be perfect but the UK swings gently around the middle ground because that's what the majority want. Look around the world at some of the country's that you could live in and be grateful that you live in the UK.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: Go away Cameron. We don't want you in Southampton. We don't want you in this country. You and your cabinet cronies are just little posh boys who know NOTHING of the real world.[/p][/quote]Whether we like the out of touch arrogant posh boys or dislike them, they are not going to 'go away' just because some of us are allergic to ConDem government. Our democratic system has put them into the positions of power, admittedly with the help of NuLabourites who for 13 years kept on betraying Labour values, and by implementing Thatcherism made Tories electable once again. So nation is paying the price for the follies of Blair and Brown led virtual Tory government, of which Milliband and most of his mob were integral part. Only way to get rid of these puppets of the super rich and parasites of the ordinary working class is to recreate political party with different ideology than all the main parties, which are virtually the same i.e. pro super rich and anti working class[/p][/quote]Over the years there have been various partys formed with left leaning tendencies that were going to right all of the perceived wrongs of capitalism. Unfortunately the fairest system of election has consistently shown that the majority of votes cast are in favour of retaining the system that you are constantly trying to tell us is wrong. Ask yourself why.[/p][/quote]May be on its last legs but while the season of goodwill is still around, I may agree with your basic point!!! Our main problem of the left is cannibalism; most of us waste more time on attacking each other than tackling the real problem, the parties of the right. Socialism's biggest enemy is inbuilt greed, which has become part of the human DNA. Difficult but not impossible mountain to climb. Sadly many get frustrated and give up. So advantage capitalism. Unlike others most on the left, including me, tend to trust fellow members of the human race too much. So often get infiltrated by opportunists, like son of a hard line Thatcherite Blair or son of a priest Brown etc did. They stitch up genuine socialists within the movement and hijack parties of the left for promoting their own career. Politically Dodgy Denham and his mates of Junction Mafia did it in Southampton, and former priest pretending to be communist Stalin hijacked communism in Russia and damaged brand name ‘Socialism’ in a big way. Sadly everybody in this world is not highly principled like Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela, which is our biggest handicap. But that has never and hope will not deter me and many others from keep on ‘trying’ to follow their foot steps. Some may think it to be addiction to mental masturbation, too much idealism or what ever but at the end of the day we will die with clean conscience, and won’t have to start doing confessions to some paedophile priests when on the death bed, as NuLabour is pretending to do these days for having betrayed its core supporters during 13 years in power, which not only created crisis but also proved that capitalism and economic disasters are the two names of the same evil[/p][/quote]You continually berate Blair for creating Nu-Labour and moving from your core values but when no-one would vote for Kinnock and Foot, Blair modernised the party and saved it from a lingering death. You might like to claim the moral high ground but socialism was the vehicle that allowed the imposition of hard left politics on half of Europe with no hope of free elections to throw off that yoke. It's ingrained in history and enough people fear it's effect to prevent it's return in free and fair elections. Leaving aside that Hitler was an extreme right version of Stalin, at least he was voted in to power by the people who didn't know that he would subsequently suspend elections. This is why you can't move forward with your plans because all of the people who are currently free to dream of winning millions on the lottery or improving their lot in life through their own efforts know that socialism will choke those dreams at birth. Life will never be perfect but the UK swings gently around the middle ground because that's what the majority want. Look around the world at some of the country's that you could live in and be grateful that you live in the UK. Torchie1

8:15pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Graeme Harrison says...

sburman wrote:
I could never understand why our problems are always the politician’s fault no matter which party they belong to. No matter what problem exists, be it the economy, social services, media, crime, NHS and all the rest it always seems to be down to the government of the day. I have never heard any organisation or individual outside government stand up and say `THIS PROBLEM WAS OUR FAULT`
We have a media that instantly jumps on all negative aspects of life as long as it is slagging off the political party they do not support.
We have an NHS that, if you listen to the Media, is a downright dangerous place to visit where the truth is far from that. NOTE: all the ambulance chaser claims get paid out of the Hospital budget and so takes money from us all.
We have a Population that thinks all responsibilities and problems of life belong to either national or local government.
For every right (for our self) we have we also have a responsibility (to others).
The best way to stop 'ambulance chaser claims' is to stop the NHS providing negligent treatment.
[quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: I could never understand why our problems are always the politician’s fault no matter which party they belong to. No matter what problem exists, be it the economy, social services, media, crime, NHS and all the rest it always seems to be down to the government of the day. I have never heard any organisation or individual outside government stand up and say `THIS PROBLEM WAS OUR FAULT` We have a media that instantly jumps on all negative aspects of life as long as it is slagging off the political party they do not support. We have an NHS that, if you listen to the Media, is a downright dangerous place to visit where the truth is far from that. NOTE: all the ambulance chaser claims get paid out of the Hospital budget and so takes money from us all. We have a Population that thinks all responsibilities and problems of life belong to either national or local government. For every right (for our self) we have we also have a responsibility (to others).[/p][/quote]The best way to stop 'ambulance chaser claims' is to stop the NHS providing negligent treatment. Graeme Harrison

8:28pm Thu 2 Jan 14

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

Graeme Harrison wrote:
sburman wrote:
I could never understand why our problems are always the politician’s fault no matter which party they belong to. No matter what problem exists, be it the economy, social services, media, crime, NHS and all the rest it always seems to be down to the government of the day. I have never heard any organisation or individual outside government stand up and say `THIS PROBLEM WAS OUR FAULT`
We have a media that instantly jumps on all negative aspects of life as long as it is slagging off the political party they do not support.
We have an NHS that, if you listen to the Media, is a downright dangerous place to visit where the truth is far from that. NOTE: all the ambulance chaser claims get paid out of the Hospital budget and so takes money from us all.
We have a Population that thinks all responsibilities and problems of life belong to either national or local government.
For every right (for our self) we have we also have a responsibility (to others).
The best way to stop 'ambulance chaser claims' is to stop the NHS providing negligent treatment.
thats because they are downright dangerous places to visit ,lethal infact.
[quote][p][bold]Graeme Harrison[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: I could never understand why our problems are always the politician’s fault no matter which party they belong to. No matter what problem exists, be it the economy, social services, media, crime, NHS and all the rest it always seems to be down to the government of the day. I have never heard any organisation or individual outside government stand up and say `THIS PROBLEM WAS OUR FAULT` We have a media that instantly jumps on all negative aspects of life as long as it is slagging off the political party they do not support. We have an NHS that, if you listen to the Media, is a downright dangerous place to visit where the truth is far from that. NOTE: all the ambulance chaser claims get paid out of the Hospital budget and so takes money from us all. We have a Population that thinks all responsibilities and problems of life belong to either national or local government. For every right (for our self) we have we also have a responsibility (to others).[/p][/quote]The best way to stop 'ambulance chaser claims' is to stop the NHS providing negligent treatment.[/p][/quote]thats because they are downright dangerous places to visit ,lethal infact. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.

10:10pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Kyoboshi says...

I'm not a Tory supporter neither am I a posh person but this whining about the fact Tory's are posh is just pathetic, as if they are horrible people just because they are well educated. Most Labour politicians went to public school and live in large houses and send their kids to private education too which makes them actually more hypocritical. So wipe those chips off your shoulders those who play the " I'm so working class and they are posh card ". The state of this country is largely due to the banks over lending and peoples greed and the modern thinking that people think they are entitled to have everything even if they can't afford it. Labour bankrupted the country and the Tory's are too spineless to do anything about it.
I'm not a Tory supporter neither am I a posh person but this whining about the fact Tory's are posh is just pathetic, as if they are horrible people just because they are well educated. Most Labour politicians went to public school and live in large houses and send their kids to private education too which makes them actually more hypocritical. So wipe those chips off your shoulders those who play the " I'm so working class and they are posh card ". The state of this country is largely due to the banks over lending and peoples greed and the modern thinking that people think they are entitled to have everything even if they can't afford it. Labour bankrupted the country and the Tory's are too spineless to do anything about it. Kyoboshi

10:22pm Thu 2 Jan 14

howardpeck says...

On the 8 Jan 2014 we are holding a protest out side house of commons suggesting David Cameron lied at the Levisons enquiry we have the evidence.The Levisons enquiry covered up phone hacking and mail hacking in government offices including 10 downing street and cabinet office we have the evidence.
On the 8 Jan 2014 we are holding a protest out side house of commons suggesting David Cameron lied at the Levisons enquiry we have the evidence.The Levisons enquiry covered up phone hacking and mail hacking in government offices including 10 downing street and cabinet office we have the evidence. howardpeck

1:31am Fri 3 Jan 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
Go away Cameron. We don't want you in Southampton. We don't want you in this country. You and your cabinet cronies are just little posh boys who know NOTHING of the real world.
Whether we like the out of touch arrogant posh boys or dislike them, they are not going to 'go away' just because some of us are allergic to ConDem government.

Our democratic system has put them into the positions of power, admittedly with the help of NuLabourites who for 13 years kept on betraying Labour values, and by implementing Thatcherism made Tories electable once again. So nation is paying the price for the follies of Blair and Brown led virtual Tory government, of which Milliband and most of his mob were integral part.

Only way to get rid of these puppets of the super rich and parasites of the ordinary working class is to recreate political party with different ideology than all the main parties, which are virtually the same i.e. pro super rich and anti working class
Over the years there have been various partys formed with left leaning tendencies that were going to right all of the perceived wrongs of capitalism. Unfortunately the fairest system of election has consistently shown that the majority of votes cast are in favour of retaining the system that you are constantly trying to tell us is wrong. Ask yourself why.
May be on its last legs but while the season of goodwill is still around, I may agree with your basic point!!!

Our main problem of the left is cannibalism; most of us waste more time on attacking each other than tackling the real problem, the parties of the right.

Socialism's biggest enemy is inbuilt greed, which has become part of the human DNA. Difficult but not impossible mountain to climb. Sadly many get frustrated and give up. So advantage capitalism.

Unlike others most on the left, including me, tend to trust fellow members of the human race too much. So often get infiltrated by opportunists, like son of a hard line Thatcherite Blair or son of a priest Brown etc did.

They stitch up genuine socialists within the movement and hijack parties of the left for promoting their own career. Politically Dodgy Denham and his mates of Junction Mafia did it in Southampton, and former priest pretending to be communist Stalin hijacked communism in Russia and damaged brand name ‘Socialism’ in a big way.

Sadly everybody in this world is not highly principled like Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela, which is our biggest handicap. But that has never and hope will not deter me and many others from keep on ‘trying’ to follow their foot steps. Some may think it to be addiction to mental masturbation, too much idealism or what ever but at the end of the day we will die with clean conscience, and won’t have to start doing confessions to some paedophile priests when on the death bed, as NuLabour is pretending to do these days for having betrayed its core supporters during 13 years in power, which not only created crisis but also proved that capitalism and economic disasters are the two names of the same evil
You continually berate Blair for creating Nu-Labour and moving from your core values but when no-one would vote for Kinnock and Foot, Blair modernised the party and saved it from a lingering death. You might like to claim the moral high ground but socialism was the vehicle that allowed the imposition of hard left politics on half of Europe with no hope of free elections to throw off that yoke. It's ingrained in history and enough people fear it's effect to prevent it's return in free and fair elections. Leaving aside that Hitler was an extreme right version of Stalin, at least he was voted in to power by the people who didn't know that he would subsequently suspend elections. This is why you can't move forward with your plans because all of the people who are currently free to dream of winning millions on the lottery or improving their lot in life through their own efforts know that socialism will choke those dreams at birth. Life will never be perfect but the UK swings gently around the middle ground because that's what the majority want. Look around the world at some of the country's that you could live in and be grateful that you live in the UK.
If your favourite capitalist system is utopia why does it keep on running into massive problems and then people like late Maggie Thatcher and former President Bush had to use basically socialist methods to bail it out?

Maggie had to nationalise Rolls Royce when it nearly went bankrupt and government of USA had no choice but to put public money in to rescue banks, and Tories in UK did not object to NuLabour holding majority shares in major UK banks.

Yes some Germans were stupid enough to vote for that evil monster Hitler, but was it not a Tory prime minister who also signed up friendship with the same devil in Munich and whom strangely even that great man Churchill tried to meet in in the same city few years before that, but Hitler could not be bothered as at that time Winston Chrchill in his view was not important.

I most certainly do not share your view that by ditching Labour values Blair won 1997 election. Tories had managed to creat plenty of bad publicity for themselves.

Yes everything in former Eastren Block was not right, but while I may not agree with plenty of Stalin's methods, it can't be denied that at the time of revolution Russia was one of world's most backward nation, and despite war and other problems ended up becoming a world power. Even now it may have lost its status, but unlike USA, which owes many trillions to China alone, Russia is self sufficient nation. Can you say the same about UK under Cameron and Clegg?

This favourite policy of Tories encouraging people to buy houses by borrowing more than their means, is virtually the same stupidity that created the problems few years ago. It will push the prices up making it impossible for youngsters to afford roof of their own. Yet another wonder of your capitalism/ Conservatism?
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: Go away Cameron. We don't want you in Southampton. We don't want you in this country. You and your cabinet cronies are just little posh boys who know NOTHING of the real world.[/p][/quote]Whether we like the out of touch arrogant posh boys or dislike them, they are not going to 'go away' just because some of us are allergic to ConDem government. Our democratic system has put them into the positions of power, admittedly with the help of NuLabourites who for 13 years kept on betraying Labour values, and by implementing Thatcherism made Tories electable once again. So nation is paying the price for the follies of Blair and Brown led virtual Tory government, of which Milliband and most of his mob were integral part. Only way to get rid of these puppets of the super rich and parasites of the ordinary working class is to recreate political party with different ideology than all the main parties, which are virtually the same i.e. pro super rich and anti working class[/p][/quote]Over the years there have been various partys formed with left leaning tendencies that were going to right all of the perceived wrongs of capitalism. Unfortunately the fairest system of election has consistently shown that the majority of votes cast are in favour of retaining the system that you are constantly trying to tell us is wrong. Ask yourself why.[/p][/quote]May be on its last legs but while the season of goodwill is still around, I may agree with your basic point!!! Our main problem of the left is cannibalism; most of us waste more time on attacking each other than tackling the real problem, the parties of the right. Socialism's biggest enemy is inbuilt greed, which has become part of the human DNA. Difficult but not impossible mountain to climb. Sadly many get frustrated and give up. So advantage capitalism. Unlike others most on the left, including me, tend to trust fellow members of the human race too much. So often get infiltrated by opportunists, like son of a hard line Thatcherite Blair or son of a priest Brown etc did. They stitch up genuine socialists within the movement and hijack parties of the left for promoting their own career. Politically Dodgy Denham and his mates of Junction Mafia did it in Southampton, and former priest pretending to be communist Stalin hijacked communism in Russia and damaged brand name ‘Socialism’ in a big way. Sadly everybody in this world is not highly principled like Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela, which is our biggest handicap. But that has never and hope will not deter me and many others from keep on ‘trying’ to follow their foot steps. Some may think it to be addiction to mental masturbation, too much idealism or what ever but at the end of the day we will die with clean conscience, and won’t have to start doing confessions to some paedophile priests when on the death bed, as NuLabour is pretending to do these days for having betrayed its core supporters during 13 years in power, which not only created crisis but also proved that capitalism and economic disasters are the two names of the same evil[/p][/quote]You continually berate Blair for creating Nu-Labour and moving from your core values but when no-one would vote for Kinnock and Foot, Blair modernised the party and saved it from a lingering death. You might like to claim the moral high ground but socialism was the vehicle that allowed the imposition of hard left politics on half of Europe with no hope of free elections to throw off that yoke. It's ingrained in history and enough people fear it's effect to prevent it's return in free and fair elections. Leaving aside that Hitler was an extreme right version of Stalin, at least he was voted in to power by the people who didn't know that he would subsequently suspend elections. This is why you can't move forward with your plans because all of the people who are currently free to dream of winning millions on the lottery or improving their lot in life through their own efforts know that socialism will choke those dreams at birth. Life will never be perfect but the UK swings gently around the middle ground because that's what the majority want. Look around the world at some of the country's that you could live in and be grateful that you live in the UK.[/p][/quote]If your favourite capitalist system is utopia why does it keep on running into massive problems and then people like late Maggie Thatcher and former President Bush had to use basically socialist methods to bail it out? Maggie had to nationalise Rolls Royce when it nearly went bankrupt and government of USA had no choice but to put public money in to rescue banks, and Tories in UK did not object to NuLabour holding majority shares in major UK banks. Yes some Germans were stupid enough to vote for that evil monster Hitler, but was it not a Tory prime minister who also signed up friendship with the same devil in Munich and whom strangely even that great man Churchill tried to meet in in the same city few years before that, but Hitler could not be bothered as at that time Winston Chrchill in his view was not important. I most certainly do not share your view that by ditching Labour values Blair won 1997 election. Tories had managed to creat plenty of bad publicity for themselves. Yes everything in former Eastren Block was not right, but while I may not agree with plenty of Stalin's methods, it can't be denied that at the time of revolution Russia was one of world's most backward nation, and despite war and other problems ended up becoming a world power. Even now it may have lost its status, but unlike USA, which owes many trillions to China alone, Russia is self sufficient nation. Can you say the same about UK under Cameron and Clegg? This favourite policy of Tories encouraging people to buy houses by borrowing more than their means, is virtually the same stupidity that created the problems few years ago. It will push the prices up making it impossible for youngsters to afford roof of their own. Yet another wonder of your capitalism/ Conservatism? Paramjit Bahia

4:45pm Fri 3 Jan 14

roofspace says...

sburman wrote:
I could never understand why our problems are always the politician’s fault no matter which party they belong to. No matter what problem exists, be it the economy, social services, media, crime, NHS and all the rest it always seems to be down to the government of the day. I have never heard any organisation or individual outside government stand up and say `THIS PROBLEM WAS OUR FAULT`
We have a media that instantly jumps on all negative aspects of life as long as it is slagging off the political party they do not support.
We have an NHS that, if you listen to the Media, is a downright dangerous place to visit where the truth is far from that. NOTE: all the ambulance chaser claims get paid out of the Hospital budget and so takes money from us all.
We have a Population that thinks all responsibilities and problems of life belong to either national or local government.
For every right (for our self) we have we also have a responsibility (to others).
" I have never heard any organisation or individual outside government stand up and say `THIS PROBLEM WAS OUR FAULT"
Followed by (as an example) " NOTE: all the ambulance chaser claims get paid out of the Hospital budget and so takes money from us all."
There would be no ambulance chasing If the Tory government had had not passed legislation to:-

a) Allow solicitors to advertise.
b) Allow them to take on no win no fee.

Which meant everybodies insurance premiums for ANYTHING have gone through the roof..

But it is not all bad news as we now have solicitors who are multimillionaires and the city able to pay themselves billions in bonuses.
[quote][p][bold]sburman[/bold] wrote: I could never understand why our problems are always the politician’s fault no matter which party they belong to. No matter what problem exists, be it the economy, social services, media, crime, NHS and all the rest it always seems to be down to the government of the day. I have never heard any organisation or individual outside government stand up and say `THIS PROBLEM WAS OUR FAULT` We have a media that instantly jumps on all negative aspects of life as long as it is slagging off the political party they do not support. We have an NHS that, if you listen to the Media, is a downright dangerous place to visit where the truth is far from that. NOTE: all the ambulance chaser claims get paid out of the Hospital budget and so takes money from us all. We have a Population that thinks all responsibilities and problems of life belong to either national or local government. For every right (for our self) we have we also have a responsibility (to others).[/p][/quote]" I have never heard any organisation or individual outside government stand up and say `THIS PROBLEM WAS OUR FAULT" Followed by (as an example) " NOTE: all the ambulance chaser claims get paid out of the Hospital budget and so takes money from us all." There would be no ambulance chasing If the Tory government had had not passed legislation to:- a) Allow solicitors to advertise. b) Allow them to take on no win no fee. Which meant everybodies insurance premiums for ANYTHING have gone through the roof.. But it is not all bad news as we now have solicitors who are multimillionaires and the city able to pay themselves billions in bonuses. roofspace

10:30pm Fri 3 Jan 14

miltonarcher says...

Ha ha ha love reading through the posts from left wing bitter and twisted labourites. They can't stand the fact things are looking up after the shambles of brown Blair balls and darling. Love it love it love it.
Ha ha ha love reading through the posts from left wing bitter and twisted labourites. They can't stand the fact things are looking up after the shambles of brown Blair balls and darling. Love it love it love it. miltonarcher

10:18pm Sat 4 Jan 14

shabbycaddy says...

Looks like the visit with the single mum was a bit of a set up! Have a look at this: http://legalaidandme
.proboards.com/threa
d/8301/audacity-came
ron-hypocrisy-help-b
uy?post-20923=undefi
ned
Looks like the visit with the single mum was a bit of a set up! Have a look at this: http://legalaidandme .proboards.com/threa d/8301/audacity-came ron-hypocrisy-help-b uy?post-20923=undefi ned shabbycaddy

8:30am Sun 5 Jan 14

theresasurprise says...

shabbycaddy wrote:
Looks like the visit with the single mum was a bit of a set up! Have a look at this: http://legalaidandme

.proboards.com/threa

d/8301/audacity-came

ron-hypocrisy-help-b

uy?post-20923=undefi

ned
was about to share the find when I saw your comment .....

............Ms Sharon Ray is really Sharon Louise O'Donnell Sales Director at Enfields Property Services......
[quote][p][bold]shabbycaddy[/bold] wrote: Looks like the visit with the single mum was a bit of a set up! Have a look at this: http://legalaidandme .proboards.com/threa d/8301/audacity-came ron-hypocrisy-help-b uy?post-20923=undefi ned[/p][/quote]was about to share the find when I saw your comment ..... ............Ms Sharon Ray is really Sharon Louise O'Donnell Sales Director at Enfields Property Services...... theresasurprise

8:39am Sun 5 Jan 14

shabbycaddy says...

Makes you wonder how much else is faked for the media and public
Makes you wonder how much else is faked for the media and public shabbycaddy

11:20am Sun 5 Jan 14

Bwaltham30 says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Welcome to Southampton David, you have saved this country after Labour's terrible over spending and lack of controls.
http://legalaidandme
.proboards.com/threa
d/8301/audacity-came
ron-hypocrisy-help-b
uy?page=1#post-20923


Still feel the same? Clever spin doctoring Dave, now tell the whole truth! This lady didn't need the help despite the stereo typical label did she.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Welcome to Southampton David, you have saved this country after Labour's terrible over spending and lack of controls.[/p][/quote]http://legalaidandme .proboards.com/threa d/8301/audacity-came ron-hypocrisy-help-b uy?page=1#post-20923 Still feel the same? Clever spin doctoring Dave, now tell the whole truth! This lady didn't need the help despite the stereo typical label did she. Bwaltham30

6:09pm Sun 5 Jan 14

__KTF__ says...

I was just about to post the same link.

It would be a surprise if this whole thing wasn't one big PR setup and the thread on that forum proves that to be the case.

Great internet detective skills and proves that the great unwashed will lap up anything they read in print which is the whole aim of stunts like this.
I was just about to post the same link. It would be a surprise if this whole thing wasn't one big PR setup and the thread on that forum proves that to be the case. Great internet detective skills and proves that the great unwashed will lap up anything they read in print which is the whole aim of stunts like this. __KTF__

6:57pm Sun 5 Jan 14

theresasurprise says...

shabbycaddy wrote:
Makes you wonder how much else is faked for the media and public
Perhaps we should all email ms O'Donnell and tell her what a great ambassador she is for mr Cameron .........saying that estate agents and politicians do run parallel with each other ......then we could email Cameron and tell him what a t**t he is !!!!
[quote][p][bold]shabbycaddy[/bold] wrote: Makes you wonder how much else is faked for the media and public[/p][/quote]Perhaps we should all email ms O'Donnell and tell her what a great ambassador she is for mr Cameron .........saying that estate agents and politicians do run parallel with each other ......then we could email Cameron and tell him what a t**t he is !!!! theresasurprise

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