Calls for Southampton City Council to introduce 20mph limits in Harefield

Daily Echo: Council Royston Smith Council Royston Smith

CIVIC chiefs in Southampton have been urged to introduce 20mph speed limits in a city community.

Labour city council bosses introduced a pilot 20mph area in Maybush in November – and now there are calls to introduce one in Harefield.

Harefield ward councillor and Conservative opposition leader Royston Smith says lowering the limit in the Dean Road and Cheriton Avenue area could improve safety for residents.

The Maybush scheme is understood to have cost £60,000 and the council will monitor its success over the coming weeks.

The area has had 20mph signs put up at its boundaries, as well as extra reminder signs and road markings.

The 20mph areas differ from 20mph “zones”, which use physical traffic calming measures such as speed humps and are more expensive to implement.

Cllr Smith says there has long been a problem with speeding motorists in Dean Road and Cheriton Avenue, and has called on Labour to introduce another 20mph area.

He says there is broad support from residents in the area for the measure.

He said: “It’s popular, it’s cheap, it’s safe and it’s cutting down on accidents – it’s not the panacea for everything but it would really help.

“Even if people don’t slow down to 20mph I think it will change the behaviour of many of them. Some people drive along those roads at 60 to 70 mph, so this would bring it down to a safer level.

“It would be a cheap option too, as all the council would have to do is change the signage.”

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11:27am Thu 2 Jan 14

Ozmosis says...

"Even if people don’t slow down to 20mph I think it will change the behaviour of many of them. Some people drive along those roads at 60 to 70 mph, so this would bring it down to a safer level."

What on earth is he basing this on? Certainly not previous traffic studies which will pretty much disprove this. If people are doing 60mph in a 30, then a 20mph limit will not slow them down by itself. It will take calming and enforcement too. As a slight aside, Councils tend not to implement slower speeds in areas where it is apparent that the majority of motorists will ignore the new speed.
"Even if people don’t slow down to 20mph I think it will change the behaviour of many of them. Some people drive along those roads at 60 to 70 mph, so this would bring it down to a safer level." What on earth is he basing this on? Certainly not previous traffic studies which will pretty much disprove this. If people are doing 60mph in a 30, then a 20mph limit will not slow them down by itself. It will take calming and enforcement too. As a slight aside, Councils tend not to implement slower speeds in areas where it is apparent that the majority of motorists will ignore the new speed. Ozmosis

12:03pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Hampshire Corn and Bread says...

Even cheaper in Dean Rd would be to remove the double yellows now we don't have buses using it ( the original reasons for the installation).

Speeding is a problem there.
Even cheaper in Dean Rd would be to remove the double yellows now we don't have buses using it ( the original reasons for the installation). Speeding is a problem there. Hampshire Corn and Bread

12:23pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Bagamn says...

The last buses to use Dean Rd were Hants and Dorset going out of Bitterne. How many years ago was that?
The last buses to use Dean Rd were Hants and Dorset going out of Bitterne. How many years ago was that? Bagamn

12:58pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Maine Lobster says...

More than one eye on the forthcoming ward election here, no doubt! If he felt it was so important, why didn't he do it when he ran the Council?
More than one eye on the forthcoming ward election here, no doubt! If he felt it was so important, why didn't he do it when he ran the Council? Maine Lobster

2:45pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Big Mac says...

If people are driving at 60-70mph in the area, then get the speed camera vans down there. In about a weel they'd have imposed enough fines to pay for the scheme.
If people are driving at 60-70mph in the area, then get the speed camera vans down there. In about a weel they'd have imposed enough fines to pay for the scheme. Big Mac

3:07pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Niel says...

20 mph limits sound good, but drivers become even less focused on driving, either spending more time looking at the speedo or playing with their toys texting etc. Then there's the adverse effect on pedestrian behavior, where they believe they can simply step out and drivers will be able to stop in time. Of course the council's like Southampton and Portsmouth like 20 limits as the roads maintenance standards are even lower than 30 limits, meaning a saving on top of the already dreadful state of the roads in Southampton. Report a road problem like a pothole to Southampton CC and the usual response is that it doesn't meet intervention level, or it's simply a 'ride quality issue', using the lowest standards for 4 wheeled transport. A 'ride quality issue' for a car is often dangerous to those on single track two wheeled transport, be it a PTW or pedal powered! At least 'smuff's councils contractors actually repair problems when reported to them...
20 mph limits sound good, but drivers become even less focused on driving, either spending more time looking at the speedo or playing with their toys texting etc. Then there's the adverse effect on pedestrian behavior, where they believe they can simply step out and drivers will be able to stop in time. Of course the council's like Southampton and Portsmouth like 20 limits as the roads maintenance standards are even lower than 30 limits, meaning a saving on top of the already dreadful state of the roads in Southampton. Report a road problem like a pothole to Southampton CC and the usual response is that it doesn't meet intervention level, or it's simply a 'ride quality issue', using the lowest standards for 4 wheeled transport. A 'ride quality issue' for a car is often dangerous to those on single track two wheeled transport, be it a PTW or pedal powered! At least 'smuff's councils contractors actually repair problems when reported to them... Niel

4:39pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

With speed limit of 20 Mr. Smith's Jag may become surplus to requirement.

In which case, yes he may lose some money, but will end up saving a lot on emissions based high road tax and expensive insurance.

He certainly is a clever man.

And Cllr. Letts is no fool either. The NuLabourites will be saving on traffic calming measures but after a while may go for speed/greed cameras, so if not Council some other part of the establishment will end up minting money.

The real problem is irresponsible drivers, who can possible find a cure for those?
With speed limit of 20 Mr. Smith's Jag may become surplus to requirement. In which case, yes he may lose some money, but will end up saving a lot on emissions based high road tax and expensive insurance. He certainly is a clever man. And Cllr. Letts is no fool either. The NuLabourites will be saving on traffic calming measures but after a while may go for speed/greed cameras, so if not Council some other part of the establishment will end up minting money. The real problem is irresponsible drivers, who can possible find a cure for those? Paramjit Bahia

4:39pm Thu 2 Jan 14

The Watcher says...

Is the Daily Echo running Royston's campaign for Parliament?
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20mph limits have already been introduced by the current administration (following the change in guidelines from Westminster) and it has been stated they will be rolled out if they prove a success, both in terms of a reduction in accidents and having public support.
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So no idea why Cllr Smith is jumping on the bandwagon now! He's either looking to ride on the coat tails of a good bit of policy from national Govt or trying to steal the thunder of the local Govt.
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Is the Daily Echo running Royston's campaign for Parliament? . 20mph limits have already been introduced by the current administration (following the change in guidelines from Westminster) and it has been stated they will be rolled out if they prove a success, both in terms of a reduction in accidents and having public support. . So no idea why Cllr Smith is jumping on the bandwagon now! He's either looking to ride on the coat tails of a good bit of policy from national Govt or trying to steal the thunder of the local Govt. . The Watcher

4:47pm Thu 2 Jan 14

andysaints007 says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
More than one eye on the forthcoming ward election here, no doubt! If he felt it was so important, why didn't he do it when he ran the Council?
Read the story properly numbnuts
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: More than one eye on the forthcoming ward election here, no doubt! If he felt it was so important, why didn't he do it when he ran the Council?[/p][/quote]Read the story properly numbnuts andysaints007

6:37pm Thu 2 Jan 14

cantthinkofone says...

Shirley too please. I'm sick of people zooming down Regents Park Road (a residential street) simply because it's wide and a commuting artery.
Shirley too please. I'm sick of people zooming down Regents Park Road (a residential street) simply because it's wide and a commuting artery. cantthinkofone

6:57pm Thu 2 Jan 14

one in a million says...

Speeding and bad driving is becoming the norm and something needs to be done but this is not the solution as these signs will be ignored same as all the others. Zero tolerance is needed .
Speeding and bad driving is becoming the norm and something needs to be done but this is not the solution as these signs will be ignored same as all the others. Zero tolerance is needed . one in a million

7:04pm Thu 2 Jan 14

jackois says...

You can put all the speed limit signs in the world, but if you don't bother with the enforcement side they mean nothing...

as per yellow lines, cycle lanes & motorists using their mobile phones...
You can put all the speed limit signs in the world, but if you don't bother with the enforcement side they mean nothing... as per yellow lines, cycle lanes & motorists using their mobile phones... jackois

7:42pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Harefield boy says...

As a resident in Harefield I can say that I often see vehicles traveling at more than the allowed 30mph along Cheriton Avenue.
Also the buses have to mount the kerbside to pass the parked vehicles when there is ample green area which could be utilized as a parking area as done on many other Southampton estates..
As a resident in Harefield I can say that I often see vehicles traveling at more than the allowed 30mph along Cheriton Avenue. Also the buses have to mount the kerbside to pass the parked vehicles when there is ample green area which could be utilized as a parking area as done on many other Southampton estates.. Harefield boy

9:25pm Thu 2 Jan 14

loosehead says...

i live in the channel island estate Lordshill & we've got 20mph speed limits which really are a joke.
driving at that speed down st Boniface crescent is usually the norm because of the two blind corners but I have had a taxi blowing his horn at me cars over taking me & council & utility vans doing more than 30mph.
it's okay coming up with these schemes but how on earth do you enforce it?
do you have speed cameras along every single road?
i live in the channel island estate Lordshill & we've got 20mph speed limits which really are a joke. driving at that speed down st Boniface crescent is usually the norm because of the two blind corners but I have had a taxi blowing his horn at me cars over taking me & council & utility vans doing more than 30mph. it's okay coming up with these schemes but how on earth do you enforce it? do you have speed cameras along every single road? loosehead

12:30pm Fri 3 Jan 14

stevelorek says...

£60,000 would pay for two police officers. I do not accept that it is cheap or a good use of taxpayer's money, especially given that the results are unproven.
£60,000 would pay for two police officers. I do not accept that it is cheap or a good use of taxpayer's money, especially given that the results are unproven. stevelorek

1:08pm Fri 3 Jan 14

southy says...

with the lower speed of 20 mph will come higher pollution
with the lower speed of 20 mph will come higher pollution southy

8:11pm Fri 3 Jan 14

issacchunt says...

Royston, 20mph? Whatever next, you'll be insuring your Jag and sorting the comb-over. Only Dineage can carry off a comb-over, get it sorted.
Royston, 20mph? Whatever next, you'll be insuring your Jag and sorting the comb-over. Only Dineage can carry off a comb-over, get it sorted. issacchunt

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