Man in his 40s dies after collision at Waltham Chase

Daily Echo: The scene of the incident in Waltham Chase today. The scene of the incident in Waltham Chase today.

A MOTORCYCLIST has been killed in a collision in a Hampshire village this afternoon.

At around 1.45pm today a motorcycle was in collision with a BMW car on the B2177 Winchester Road, Waltham Chase.

The motorcyclist, a man in his 40s, was pronounced dead at the scene.

The car driver, a 23-year-old woman, was treated for shock but otherwise uninjured.

Winchester Road remains closed between Paradise Lane and Clewers Hill while police recover and investigate the scene. Closures are likely to remain in place for approximately the next two hours.

Police would like to hear from anyone who witnessed the collision or saw either vehicle driving prior to it.

Anyone with information is asked to contact Inspector Steve Wakeford at Fratton Roads Policing unit on 101 quoting Operation Betula.

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6:36pm Thu 2 Jan 14

mike coll says...

BMW Driver, says it all really. as a biker I feel for this chap, in his 40s so no fool.
BMW Driver, says it all really. as a biker I feel for this chap, in his 40s so no fool. mike coll

6:53pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Huffter says...

mike coll wrote:
BMW Driver, says it all really. as a biker I feel for this chap, in his 40s so no fool.
What does BMW Driver say?
[quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: BMW Driver, says it all really. as a biker I feel for this chap, in his 40s so no fool.[/p][/quote]What does BMW Driver say? Huffter

7:00pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Toptech says...

mike coll wrote:
BMW Driver, says it all really. as a biker I feel for this chap, in his 40s so no fool.
Mike coll. Are you some sort of c@@k? Just because it is a bmw, what gives you the right to blame the driver. Not all bmw drivers are arseholes. All makes and models have arseholes that drive them! Just because he was in his 40s does not make him a sensible rider! Look at the weather we have had, ever heard the word accident? How about giving some thought to both people involved and pay some respect. Get back in your own little world you jumped up wannabee police officer. Rip to the biket and condolences to his family
[quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: BMW Driver, says it all really. as a biker I feel for this chap, in his 40s so no fool.[/p][/quote]Mike coll. Are you some sort of c@@k? Just because it is a bmw, what gives you the right to blame the driver. Not all bmw drivers are arseholes. All makes and models have arseholes that drive them! Just because he was in his 40s does not make him a sensible rider! Look at the weather we have had, ever heard the word accident? How about giving some thought to both people involved and pay some respect. Get back in your own little world you jumped up wannabee police officer. Rip to the biket and condolences to his family Toptech

7:03pm Thu 2 Jan 14

tw2003 says...

I'm sorry but watch what you say. BMW driver was my cousin. So please feel free to explain!!!!
I'm sorry but watch what you say. BMW driver was my cousin. So please feel free to explain!!!! tw2003

7:05pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Toptech says...

Tw2003. Well said police should pay mike coll a visit for slander! What car do you drive then mike coll?
Tw2003. Well said police should pay mike coll a visit for slander! What car do you drive then mike coll? Toptech

7:28pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Torchie1 says...

mike coll wrote:
BMW Driver, says it all really. as a biker I feel for this chap, in his 40s so no fool.
What you see in a BMW driver, other people see in bikers.
[quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: BMW Driver, says it all really. as a biker I feel for this chap, in his 40s so no fool.[/p][/quote]What you see in a BMW driver, other people see in bikers. Torchie1

7:30pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Charlie Bucket says...

mike coll wrote:
BMW Driver, says it all really. as a biker I feel for this chap, in his 40s so no fool.
It does indeed. They're uninjured. Good solid cars, those.
[quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: BMW Driver, says it all really. as a biker I feel for this chap, in his 40s so no fool.[/p][/quote]It does indeed. They're uninjured. Good solid cars, those. Charlie Bucket

8:08pm Thu 2 Jan 14

JTollis says...

Must be tough being the cousin of the driver. Imagine how the poor daughter of the biker feels, or his partner and family?!

Lets leave the police to play judge. Hopefully the truth will come out what ever it may be.
Must be tough being the cousin of the driver. Imagine how the poor daughter of the biker feels, or his partner and family?! Lets leave the police to play judge. Hopefully the truth will come out what ever it may be. JTollis

8:08pm Thu 2 Jan 14

skqueen says...

tw2003: would you be able to explain what happened then? and the actions of both rider and driver which lead to the bikers death?
tw2003: would you be able to explain what happened then? and the actions of both rider and driver which lead to the bikers death? skqueen

8:09pm Thu 2 Jan 14

ManQu1 says...

Well to hit the inner side does raise a question or two...hope witnesses come forwards.....
Well to hit the inner side does raise a question or two...hope witnesses come forwards..... ManQu1

8:21pm Thu 2 Jan 14

25Clark says...

Today a lovely, kind man was killed in this crash! He was a close friend of our family!! I am disgusted to see the images of the crash on here! And as for the driver as 23 year old this poor young lady has to live with what she witnessed for the rest of her life! Regardless if anyone was at fault a wonderful man died today so leave your comments for somewhere else!
Today a lovely, kind man was killed in this crash! He was a close friend of our family!! I am disgusted to see the images of the crash on here! And as for the driver as 23 year old this poor young lady has to live with what she witnessed for the rest of her life! Regardless if anyone was at fault a wonderful man died today so leave your comments for somewhere else! 25Clark

8:25pm Thu 2 Jan 14

tw2003 says...

skqueen wrote:
tw2003: would you be able to explain what happened then? and the actions of both rider and driver which lead to the bikers death?
I do not know any details other than what is on here. Driver shaken as expected. I'm sure the Daily Echo will post updates when more details are released.
[quote][p][bold]skqueen[/bold] wrote: tw2003: would you be able to explain what happened then? and the actions of both rider and driver which lead to the bikers death?[/p][/quote]I do not know any details other than what is on here. Driver shaken as expected. I'm sure the Daily Echo will post updates when more details are released. tw2003

9:14pm Thu 2 Jan 14

mike coll says...

This is unreal, I express an opinion, its not racist, its not rude, its an opinion of those who drive a make of car,
Charlie Bucket says, good solid cars them! now that's silly,
Top tec says the police should give me a visit, good call, one day to fly here, overnight in a hotel, then a rtn flight, well you pay for the hants police I don't, to be interviewed for an opinion, its your money you are wasting.
TW2003, tells me to watch what I say?, I wrote this I did not speak it, its my opinion, I could stand at speakers corner in London where I used to watch free speech and opinion when I was a U.K resident. To write that I should watch what I say shows knuckle dragging,
A biker is lost, let me repeat that, a biker is lost, and some choose to defend a car make, some chose to get PC plod to silence others and TW2003 sends a disguised threat. Well done.
This is unreal, I express an opinion, its not racist, its not rude, its an opinion of those who drive a make of car, Charlie Bucket says, good solid cars them! now that's silly, Top tec says the police should give me a visit, good call, one day to fly here, overnight in a hotel, then a rtn flight, well you pay for the hants police I don't, to be interviewed for an opinion, its your money you are wasting. TW2003, tells me to watch what I say?, I wrote this I did not speak it, its my opinion, I could stand at speakers corner in London where I used to watch free speech and opinion when I was a U.K resident. To write that I should watch what I say shows knuckle dragging, A biker is lost, let me repeat that, a biker is lost, and some choose to defend a car make, some chose to get PC plod to silence others and TW2003 sends a disguised threat. Well done. mike coll

9:35pm Thu 2 Jan 14

sapenny says...

No one should be speculating on who did what, both families of the car driver and the motorcyclist are going to be totally shocked and devasted.
RIP motorcyclist
No one should be speculating on who did what, both families of the car driver and the motorcyclist are going to be totally shocked and devasted. RIP motorcyclist sapenny

9:36pm Thu 2 Jan 14

tw2003 says...

mike coll wrote:
This is unreal, I express an opinion, its not racist, its not rude, its an opinion of those who drive a make of car,
Charlie Bucket says, good solid cars them! now that's silly,
Top tec says the police should give me a visit, good call, one day to fly here, overnight in a hotel, then a rtn flight, well you pay for the hants police I don't, to be interviewed for an opinion, its your money you are wasting.
TW2003, tells me to watch what I say?, I wrote this I did not speak it, its my opinion, I could stand at speakers corner in London where I used to watch free speech and opinion when I was a U.K resident. To write that I should watch what I say shows knuckle dragging,
A biker is lost, let me repeat that, a biker is lost, and some choose to defend a car make, some chose to get PC plod to silence others and TW2003 sends a disguised threat. Well done.
I'm sorry but it's how it was said. "BMW driver, says it all." That's implying that as thy drive a BMW it must be their fault. Any my comment was by no means a threat. Maybe people should keep their opinions to themselves from the beginning. My condolences go out to the family of the bike rider and my thoughts are with the girl and her family to. Enough said!!!
[quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: This is unreal, I express an opinion, its not racist, its not rude, its an opinion of those who drive a make of car, Charlie Bucket says, good solid cars them! now that's silly, Top tec says the police should give me a visit, good call, one day to fly here, overnight in a hotel, then a rtn flight, well you pay for the hants police I don't, to be interviewed for an opinion, its your money you are wasting. TW2003, tells me to watch what I say?, I wrote this I did not speak it, its my opinion, I could stand at speakers corner in London where I used to watch free speech and opinion when I was a U.K resident. To write that I should watch what I say shows knuckle dragging, A biker is lost, let me repeat that, a biker is lost, and some choose to defend a car make, some chose to get PC plod to silence others and TW2003 sends a disguised threat. Well done.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but it's how it was said. "BMW driver, says it all." That's implying that as thy drive a BMW it must be their fault. Any my comment was by no means a threat. Maybe people should keep their opinions to themselves from the beginning. My condolences go out to the family of the bike rider and my thoughts are with the girl and her family to. Enough said!!! tw2003

10:00pm Thu 2 Jan 14

miltonarcher says...

mike coll wrote:
BMW Driver, says it all really. as a biker I feel for this chap, in his 40s so no fool.
You complete and utter cretin.
[quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: BMW Driver, says it all really. as a biker I feel for this chap, in his 40s so no fool.[/p][/quote]You complete and utter cretin. miltonarcher

10:03pm Thu 2 Jan 14

pompeyfaith says...

Unfair to lay blame at any party so early on because looking at that image there are so many danger spots and as someone rightly said here the weather could have played a big part.

My thoughts are with both families.
Unfair to lay blame at any party so early on because looking at that image there are so many danger spots and as someone rightly said here the weather could have played a big part. My thoughts are with both families. pompeyfaith

10:14pm Thu 2 Jan 14

thesouth says...

mike coll wrote:
BMW Driver, says it all really. as a biker I feel for this chap, in his 40s so no fool.
So how would you like it if I said 'bikers...says it all' ...?
[quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: BMW Driver, says it all really. as a biker I feel for this chap, in his 40s so no fool.[/p][/quote]So how would you like it if I said 'bikers...says it all' ...? thesouth

10:27pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Bwaltham30 says...

Do you have any respect? He's a friend, and his family a reading this!

Your having a dispute over BMW drivers. A truly lovely man has lost his life today. It was a tragic accident regardless of where blame lies. The young lady driving will be just as devastated, so please have respect and leave your opinions to yourself.
Do you have any respect? He's a friend, and his family a reading this! Your having a dispute over BMW drivers. A truly lovely man has lost his life today. It was a tragic accident regardless of where blame lies. The young lady driving will be just as devastated, so please have respect and leave your opinions to yourself. Bwaltham30

11:06pm Thu 2 Jan 14

dolomiteman says...

Bwaltham30 wrote:
Do you have any respect? He's a friend, and his family a reading this!

Your having a dispute over BMW drivers. A truly lovely man has lost his life today. It was a tragic accident regardless of where blame lies. The young lady driving will be just as devastated, so please have respect and leave your opinions to yourself.
Sorry for your lose, but this is the Daily echo who consider their advert based revenue more important than lose of life.
They (DE) will continue to print pictures of the incident scene and allow comments on deaths unless it is one of their own staff or family members, yes really the yare selective, sadly they are allowed to report the facts and so not have to delete comments unless they are 'offensive or racist' what constitutes offensive is of course at the mercy of the heartless (paid to print these stories) editor.

RIP biker.
[quote][p][bold]Bwaltham30[/bold] wrote: Do you have any respect? He's a friend, and his family a reading this! Your having a dispute over BMW drivers. A truly lovely man has lost his life today. It was a tragic accident regardless of where blame lies. The young lady driving will be just as devastated, so please have respect and leave your opinions to yourself.[/p][/quote]Sorry for your lose, but this is the Daily echo who consider their advert based revenue more important than lose of life. They (DE) will continue to print pictures of the incident scene and allow comments on deaths unless it is one of their own staff or family members, yes really the yare selective, sadly they are allowed to report the facts and so not have to delete comments unless they are 'offensive or racist' what constitutes offensive is of course at the mercy of the heartless (paid to print these stories) editor. RIP biker. dolomiteman

11:40pm Thu 2 Jan 14

krobbie3 says...

Mike coll your comments are dispicable! I happen to be the sister of the bmw driver and I also know the nice man who died today!! My thoughts are obviously for his family and these are the tragic consequences of riding a fast bike at 100 mph in a 50 mph limit and undertaking in bad road conditions. As you wernt a witness to this event I will be reporting you for your comments, you are nothing but a complete and utter disgusting arrogant ****.
Mike coll your comments are dispicable! I happen to be the sister of the bmw driver and I also know the nice man who died today!! My thoughts are obviously for his family and these are the tragic consequences of riding a fast bike at 100 mph in a 50 mph limit and undertaking in bad road conditions. As you wernt a witness to this event I will be reporting you for your comments, you are nothing but a complete and utter disgusting arrogant ****. krobbie3

6:29am Fri 3 Jan 14

Charlie Bucket says...

mike coll wrote:
This is unreal, I express an opinion, its not racist, its not rude, its an opinion of those who drive a make of car,
Charlie Bucket says, good solid cars them! now that's silly,
Top tec says the police should give me a visit, good call, one day to fly here, overnight in a hotel, then a rtn flight, well you pay for the hants police I don't, to be interviewed for an opinion, its your money you are wasting.
TW2003, tells me to watch what I say?, I wrote this I did not speak it, its my opinion, I could stand at speakers corner in London where I used to watch free speech and opinion when I was a U.K resident. To write that I should watch what I say shows knuckle dragging,
A biker is lost, let me repeat that, a biker is lost, and some choose to defend a car make, some chose to get PC plod to silence others and TW2003 sends a disguised threat. Well done.
Oh, boo hoo. You made a comment about BMW drivers, in the hope of upsetting people. Don't start whining now that it's had the desired effect. Idiot.
[quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: This is unreal, I express an opinion, its not racist, its not rude, its an opinion of those who drive a make of car, Charlie Bucket says, good solid cars them! now that's silly, Top tec says the police should give me a visit, good call, one day to fly here, overnight in a hotel, then a rtn flight, well you pay for the hants police I don't, to be interviewed for an opinion, its your money you are wasting. TW2003, tells me to watch what I say?, I wrote this I did not speak it, its my opinion, I could stand at speakers corner in London where I used to watch free speech and opinion when I was a U.K resident. To write that I should watch what I say shows knuckle dragging, A biker is lost, let me repeat that, a biker is lost, and some choose to defend a car make, some chose to get PC plod to silence others and TW2003 sends a disguised threat. Well done.[/p][/quote]Oh, boo hoo. You made a comment about BMW drivers, in the hope of upsetting people. Don't start whining now that it's had the desired effect. Idiot. Charlie Bucket

6:59am Fri 3 Jan 14

motorizer says...

mike coll wrote:
This is unreal, I express an opinion, its not racist, its not rude, its an opinion of those who drive a make of car,
Charlie Bucket says, good solid cars them! now that's silly,
Top tec says the police should give me a visit, good call, one day to fly here, overnight in a hotel, then a rtn flight, well you pay for the hants police I don't, to be interviewed for an opinion, its your money you are wasting.
TW2003, tells me to watch what I say?, I wrote this I did not speak it, its my opinion, I could stand at speakers corner in London where I used to watch free speech and opinion when I was a U.K resident. To write that I should watch what I say shows knuckle dragging,
A biker is lost, let me repeat that, a biker is lost, and some choose to defend a car make, some chose to get PC plod to silence others and TW2003 sends a disguised threat. Well done.
pri*k
[quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote: This is unreal, I express an opinion, its not racist, its not rude, its an opinion of those who drive a make of car, Charlie Bucket says, good solid cars them! now that's silly, Top tec says the police should give me a visit, good call, one day to fly here, overnight in a hotel, then a rtn flight, well you pay for the hants police I don't, to be interviewed for an opinion, its your money you are wasting. TW2003, tells me to watch what I say?, I wrote this I did not speak it, its my opinion, I could stand at speakers corner in London where I used to watch free speech and opinion when I was a U.K resident. To write that I should watch what I say shows knuckle dragging, A biker is lost, let me repeat that, a biker is lost, and some choose to defend a car make, some chose to get PC plod to silence others and TW2003 sends a disguised threat. Well done.[/p][/quote]pri*k motorizer

7:50am Fri 3 Jan 14

pmfwatson says...

Unfortunately this is not the first and will not be the last unnecessary accident and loss of life. As a driving instructor I see every day poor driving with drivers ignoring road rules and speeding, I also see very rude discourteous and aggressive attitude toward other drivers. I believe this is one of the major causes of accidents, as well as specifically speeding, tailgating and poor observational and planning skills. Many tailgate learners which is in my view completely insane, as any driver tailgating a learner needs to ask themselves, is this a first lesson or twenty first? If only all drivers could obey rules, speed limits, and consider other fellow motorists the roads would be a safer place and there would be fewer deaths. I see both car drivers and motorcyclists abusing their privileges of having a licence; they will continue to tempt fate to potentially, and sadly become a statistic like this motorcyclist has.
Unfortunately this is not the first and will not be the last unnecessary accident and loss of life. As a driving instructor I see every day poor driving with drivers ignoring road rules and speeding, I also see very rude discourteous and aggressive attitude toward other drivers. I believe this is one of the major causes of accidents, as well as specifically speeding, tailgating and poor observational and planning skills. Many tailgate learners which is in my view completely insane, as any driver tailgating a learner needs to ask themselves, is this a first lesson or twenty first? If only all drivers could obey rules, speed limits, and consider other fellow motorists the roads would be a safer place and there would be fewer deaths. I see both car drivers and motorcyclists abusing their privileges of having a licence; they will continue to tempt fate to potentially, and sadly become a statistic like this motorcyclist has. pmfwatson

9:23am Fri 3 Jan 14

Bwaltham30 says...

pmfwatson wrote:
Unfortunately this is not the first and will not be the last unnecessary accident and loss of life. As a driving instructor I see every day poor driving with drivers ignoring road rules and speeding, I also see very rude discourteous and aggressive attitude toward other drivers. I believe this is one of the major causes of accidents, as well as specifically speeding, tailgating and poor observational and planning skills. Many tailgate learners which is in my view completely insane, as any driver tailgating a learner needs to ask themselves, is this a first lesson or twenty first? If only all drivers could obey rules, speed limits, and consider other fellow motorists the roads would be a safer place and there would be fewer deaths. I see both car drivers and motorcyclists abusing their privileges of having a licence; they will continue to tempt fate to potentially, and sadly become a statistic like this motorcyclist has.
Yes this is the daily echo, but how often does anyone stop and remember that each story written there is families attached to them? Your experience as a driving instructor I am sure is valued to your pupils etc, but can just stop please. We are all devastated this has happened, and the families don't need to hear it.

No one was tempting fate, accidents happen and especially on that road.
[quote][p][bold]pmfwatson[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately this is not the first and will not be the last unnecessary accident and loss of life. As a driving instructor I see every day poor driving with drivers ignoring road rules and speeding, I also see very rude discourteous and aggressive attitude toward other drivers. I believe this is one of the major causes of accidents, as well as specifically speeding, tailgating and poor observational and planning skills. Many tailgate learners which is in my view completely insane, as any driver tailgating a learner needs to ask themselves, is this a first lesson or twenty first? If only all drivers could obey rules, speed limits, and consider other fellow motorists the roads would be a safer place and there would be fewer deaths. I see both car drivers and motorcyclists abusing their privileges of having a licence; they will continue to tempt fate to potentially, and sadly become a statistic like this motorcyclist has.[/p][/quote]Yes this is the daily echo, but how often does anyone stop and remember that each story written there is families attached to them? Your experience as a driving instructor I am sure is valued to your pupils etc, but can just stop please. We are all devastated this has happened, and the families don't need to hear it. No one was tempting fate, accidents happen and especially on that road. Bwaltham30

11:12am Fri 3 Jan 14

pmfwatson says...

Bwaltham30 wrote:
pmfwatson wrote:
Unfortunately this is not the first and will not be the last unnecessary accident and loss of life. As a driving instructor I see every day poor driving with drivers ignoring road rules and speeding, I also see very rude discourteous and aggressive attitude toward other drivers. I believe this is one of the major causes of accidents, as well as specifically speeding, tailgating and poor observational and planning skills. Many tailgate learners which is in my view completely insane, as any driver tailgating a learner needs to ask themselves, is this a first lesson or twenty first? If only all drivers could obey rules, speed limits, and consider other fellow motorists the roads would be a safer place and there would be fewer deaths. I see both car drivers and motorcyclists abusing their privileges of having a licence; they will continue to tempt fate to potentially, and sadly become a statistic like this motorcyclist has.
Yes this is the daily echo, but how often does anyone stop and remember that each story written there is families attached to them? Your experience as a driving instructor I am sure is valued to your pupils etc, but can just stop please. We are all devastated this has happened, and the families don't need to hear it.

No one was tempting fate, accidents happen and especially on that road.
My sympathy is with all the families involved. Is it not more important now to help prevent further grief? I'm sure that the families who are involved have better and more important things to do than read our discussions here on this page do they not? I however will not be silenced by the likes of you (Bwaltham 30), as I am attempting to help save lives, what exactly are you doing towards saving any lives on our roads in this area?
[quote][p][bold]Bwaltham30[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pmfwatson[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately this is not the first and will not be the last unnecessary accident and loss of life. As a driving instructor I see every day poor driving with drivers ignoring road rules and speeding, I also see very rude discourteous and aggressive attitude toward other drivers. I believe this is one of the major causes of accidents, as well as specifically speeding, tailgating and poor observational and planning skills. Many tailgate learners which is in my view completely insane, as any driver tailgating a learner needs to ask themselves, is this a first lesson or twenty first? If only all drivers could obey rules, speed limits, and consider other fellow motorists the roads would be a safer place and there would be fewer deaths. I see both car drivers and motorcyclists abusing their privileges of having a licence; they will continue to tempt fate to potentially, and sadly become a statistic like this motorcyclist has.[/p][/quote]Yes this is the daily echo, but how often does anyone stop and remember that each story written there is families attached to them? Your experience as a driving instructor I am sure is valued to your pupils etc, but can just stop please. We are all devastated this has happened, and the families don't need to hear it. No one was tempting fate, accidents happen and especially on that road.[/p][/quote]My sympathy is with all the families involved. Is it not more important now to help prevent further grief? I'm sure that the families who are involved have better and more important things to do than read our discussions here on this page do they not? I however will not be silenced by the likes of you (Bwaltham 30), as I am attempting to help save lives, what exactly are you doing towards saving any lives on our roads in this area? pmfwatson

2:10pm Fri 3 Jan 14

JTollis says...

How do you know he was doing 100 and undertaking you idiot? Its just as likely that your sister pulled out from that turning and didn't see him. Difference is he's not here to defend himself.

Don't go putting out opinions as facts. Your sister or not, she is highly unlikely to say it was her fault - if it was of course.
How do you know he was doing 100 and undertaking you idiot? Its just as likely that your sister pulled out from that turning and didn't see him. Difference is he's not here to defend himself. Don't go putting out opinions as facts. Your sister or not, she is highly unlikely to say it was her fault - if it was of course. JTollis

4:47pm Fri 3 Jan 14

Mary80 says...

Love how without proof its magically the car at fault when its more than likely a combination of both. The guy died who the frak gives a hoot what happened HE...STILL...DIED
Love how without proof its magically the car at fault when its more than likely a combination of both. The guy died who the frak gives a hoot what happened HE...STILL...DIED Mary80

5:36pm Fri 3 Jan 14

krobbie3 says...

Actually J Tollis I was on the scene! You are just yet another arrogant dipstick with a stupid opinion and like I said the man who lost his life was also a friend. If you knew either of them which you don't keep your pathetic and stupid opinions to yourself! You know absolutely nothing!
Actually J Tollis I was on the scene! You are just yet another arrogant dipstick with a stupid opinion and like I said the man who lost his life was also a friend. If you knew either of them which you don't keep your pathetic and stupid opinions to yourself! You know absolutely nothing! krobbie3

5:42pm Fri 3 Jan 14

krobbie3 says...

Actually J Trollis I was on the scene! You are just another arrogant dipstick you thinks they know everything!! Yes the driver was my sister and like I said the man who died was a friend and we did everything we could to save him. So again you are just a complete arrogant **** like mike coll.
Actually J Trollis I was on the scene! You are just another arrogant dipstick you thinks they know everything!! Yes the driver was my sister and like I said the man who died was a friend and we did everything we could to save him. So again you are just a complete arrogant **** like mike coll. krobbie3

6:14pm Fri 3 Jan 14

JTollis says...

Actually krobbie I do know both, and the story elsewhere is that your sister pulled out from the junction with the brown gates. Now I know the road well and it is very straight with good visability. Even if the biker was speeding he would have been seen. He didn't help himself no doubt by speeding but my point is there are two sides to this story. You are accusing a man that cant defend himself. How would you feel if it was your sisters daughter that was being told a parent had been lost? This isn't about accusing people, it's about getting to the truth. Like I said earlier (if you read!) there are many IFs to which we may never know the answer. Your sister has to live with what sadly happened. Everybody makes mistakes and in this case I feel the blame does not lie completely with 1 party.
Actually krobbie I do know both, and the story elsewhere is that your sister pulled out from the junction with the brown gates. Now I know the road well and it is very straight with good visability. Even if the biker was speeding he would have been seen. He didn't help himself no doubt by speeding but my point is there are two sides to this story. You are accusing a man that cant defend himself. How would you feel if it was your sisters daughter that was being told a parent had been lost? This isn't about accusing people, it's about getting to the truth. Like I said earlier (if you read!) there are many IFs to which we may never know the answer. Your sister has to live with what sadly happened. Everybody makes mistakes and in this case I feel the blame does not lie completely with 1 party. JTollis

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