Southampton port expansion will happen at Dibden Bay, says outgoing boss Doug Morrison

Southampton Docks, left, and Dibden Bay, right

Southampton Docks, left, and Dibden Bay, right

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author Exclusive by , Eastleigh Chief Reporter

IT was the controversial scheme that sparked one of the biggest planning battles Britain had seen in years.

But despite being rejected a decade ago, a new £600m docks expansion at Dibden Bay WILL get the green light eventually, according to the man who has been in charge of Southampton docks for a decade.

Moves to build a vast new terminal on reclaimed land opposite Southampton Docks were dramatically thrown out by the Labour Government in 2004 following a heated year-long public inquiry.

The idea, which provoked fury among opponents on the Waterside, has not been abandoned by those in charge at Associated British Ports.

Over the last ten years, the company has catered for ever-increasing demand in the city by expanding within their own boundaries by making preparations to host new super containers and building upwards with multi-deck car parks.

But Doug Morrison, who is retiring from his nine-year spell as ABP chief executive in Southampton, is confident Dibden Bay will one day get the green light – a claim that has already been rejected by critics of the idea.

Mr Morrison told the Daily Echo: “I’m convinced Dibden Bay will happen at some point in the future, but I think it is a long time away.

“There’s nowhere else.

“Goods will always come from where manufacturing is cheapest. It will always come by sea. At some point or other, where else have you got 800 acres of land next to deep water anywhere else in the country? I can’t think of any without spending billions upon billions like Boris’s Airport in the Thames.

Hopeful “It’s there, it just needs a new quay and surfacing.”

And he revealed the company is very hopeful of securing 100 acres at Marchwood Military Port and converting it to help handle imports and exports of some one million cars a year by 2018.

This move alone, he claims, would create at least 400 new jobs and would push back the need to reconsider Dibden Bay as an expansion plan.

As reported in the Daily Echo, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) may decide to sell the military port under plans to raise £500m by disposing of sites across the UK. Defence chiefs will consider three options for the port – retaining it as it is, selling the site but keeping an MoD presence, or vacating the land entirely.

Military presence Any sale would be completed by April 2015.

And a deal with ABP would preserve a military presence at Marchwood, which is home to 17 Port and Maritime Regiment.

But local councillors and residents have voiced concern over the prospect, saying the scheme could lead to major traffic issues in the Marchwood area.

Mr Morrison said: “We obviously cast an envious eye over at Marchwood Military Port.

“But I think before everyone on that side of the water starts jumping up and down and screaming, it will all be for cars and let’s be honest seeing lots of new cars over there is not exactly an eyesore. It’s got great rail connections and a lot of the cars are coming in by rail.

“It would need some surfacing and probably needs tens of millions spent but not hundreds of millions spent on it.

“Just think how much more business you could bring to this city. We actually turn away business simply because we don’t have the space.

“I don’t know of a time span for Dibden Bay, but if you get Marchwood I just can’t see any Dibden Bay application for many, many years.”

It is not the first time Mr Morrison has predicted the Dibden Bay scheme will get the go-ahead and in the past he has said it will be operational sometime between 2020 and 2030.

At a business conference in 2009 he vowed to press on with the plan for a four-berth facility, which would double the capacity of the container port and create up to 3,000 jobs.

Hampshire County Councillor David Harrison, who was involved in the initial battle to stop development at Dibden Bay, has dismissed Mr Morrison’s latest claims – and vowed to fight any future proposal.

“It is plain wrong. I think the feeling is stronger than ever. We have a wonderful port of Southampton, but it should not be a port of Southampton and the New Forest.”

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6:20am Sat 4 Jan 14

The Wickham Man says...

Let's hope the next Planning Inspector isn't bought off by a couple of residents of Hythe Marina Village.
Let's hope the next Planning Inspector isn't bought off by a couple of residents of Hythe Marina Village. The Wickham Man
  • Score: -12

6:48am Sat 4 Jan 14

issacchunt says...

Of course he's right, much like pubs and Mcdonalds big business always gets it's way. Oil the right wheels are even the local media will come onside!!!
Of course he's right, much like pubs and Mcdonalds big business always gets it's way. Oil the right wheels are even the local media will come onside!!! issacchunt
  • Score: -10

7:27am Sat 4 Jan 14

Ellwood says...

issacchunt wrote:
Of course he's right, much like pubs and Mcdonalds big business always gets it's way. Oil the right wheels are even the local media will come onside!!!
......... If big business ALWAYS gets its way, then how come this proposal was soundly rejected when it was put forward before?
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Of course he's right, much like pubs and Mcdonalds big business always gets it's way. Oil the right wheels are even the local media will come onside!!![/p][/quote]......... If big business ALWAYS gets its way, then how come this proposal was soundly rejected when it was put forward before? Ellwood
  • Score: 18

7:38am Sat 4 Jan 14

aldermoorboy says...

Great news if it happens, more jobs for Southampton, lets hope so.
Great news if it happens, more jobs for Southampton, lets hope so. aldermoorboy
  • Score: -5

8:06am Sat 4 Jan 14

issacchunt says...

Ellwood wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Of course he's right, much like pubs and Mcdonalds big business always gets it's way. Oil the right wheels are even the local media will come onside!!!
......... If big business ALWAYS gets its way, then how come this proposal was soundly rejected when it was put forward before?
It'll happen, they are playing a waiting game. If it were dead and buried this report would'nt be in the paper today. Once the world gets back to full strength after this long recession and we have a independent government it'll happen.

Crossing your fingers won't stop it.
[quote][p][bold]Ellwood[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Of course he's right, much like pubs and Mcdonalds big business always gets it's way. Oil the right wheels are even the local media will come onside!!![/p][/quote]......... If big business ALWAYS gets its way, then how come this proposal was soundly rejected when it was put forward before?[/p][/quote]It'll happen, they are playing a waiting game. If it were dead and buried this report would'nt be in the paper today. Once the world gets back to full strength after this long recession and we have a independent government it'll happen. Crossing your fingers won't stop it. issacchunt
  • Score: -9

8:13am Sat 4 Jan 14

forest hump says...

Let's hope common sense prevails and develop this project to bring much needed investment and employment to the Waterside area. The selfish and misguided minority need to understand this is a huge opportunity and not continue with their BANANA NIMBY attitude. Good luck ABP, the area needs your innovation.
Let's hope common sense prevails and develop this project to bring much needed investment and employment to the Waterside area. The selfish and misguided minority need to understand this is a huge opportunity and not continue with their BANANA NIMBY attitude. Good luck ABP, the area needs your innovation. forest hump
  • Score: -2

8:21am Sat 4 Jan 14

Ellwood says...

issacchunt wrote:
Ellwood wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Of course he's right, much like pubs and Mcdonalds big business always gets it's way. Oil the right wheels are even the local media will come onside!!!
......... If big business ALWAYS gets its way, then how come this proposal was soundly rejected when it was put forward before?
It'll happen, they are playing a waiting game. If it were dead and buried this report would'nt be in the paper today. Once the world gets back to full strength after this long recession and we have a independent government it'll happen.

Crossing your fingers won't stop it.
issacchunt says....It'll happen, they are playing a waiting game. If it were dead and buried this report would'nt be in the paper today. Once the world gets back to full strength after this long recession and we have a independent government it'll happen.

Crossing your fingers won't stop it.

Of course they are playing a 'waiting game' but this strategy is certainly NO GUARANTEE that their plans and proposals will be nodded through IF and WHEN they are next put forward.
Simple truth here, is that this report reflects no more than one persons ambition, mixed with more than a little guess work.
The reason that this report IS in the papers today, is BECAUSE big business doesn't always get its way..........thankfu
lly!
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ellwood[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Of course he's right, much like pubs and Mcdonalds big business always gets it's way. Oil the right wheels are even the local media will come onside!!![/p][/quote]......... If big business ALWAYS gets its way, then how come this proposal was soundly rejected when it was put forward before?[/p][/quote]It'll happen, they are playing a waiting game. If it were dead and buried this report would'nt be in the paper today. Once the world gets back to full strength after this long recession and we have a independent government it'll happen. Crossing your fingers won't stop it.[/p][/quote]issacchunt says....It'll happen, they are playing a waiting game. If it were dead and buried this report would'nt be in the paper today. Once the world gets back to full strength after this long recession and we have a independent government it'll happen. Crossing your fingers won't stop it. Of course they are playing a 'waiting game' but this strategy is certainly NO GUARANTEE that their plans and proposals will be nodded through IF and WHEN they are next put forward. Simple truth here, is that this report reflects no more than one persons ambition, mixed with more than a little guess work. The reason that this report IS in the papers today, is BECAUSE big business doesn't always get its way..........thankfu lly! Ellwood
  • Score: 11

9:46am Sat 4 Jan 14

loosehead says...

now's the time for those waterside residents in favour of Dibden to come out & say so.
we've had many a post saying they're for it now let's see them get vocal!
Marchwood military port as a car bay with trains & transporter lorries taking them away or bringing them & the local NIMBY's are on about the increase in traffic? GOD how many transporters are there in this country?
let's get real these idiots don't want jobs for the waterside they just want to make believe they still live in the countryside but they don't they live in what's called an urban sprawl.
so come on pro jobs watersiders let's be having you(hearing)
now's the time for those waterside residents in favour of Dibden to come out & say so. we've had many a post saying they're for it now let's see them get vocal! Marchwood military port as a car bay with trains & transporter lorries taking them away or bringing them & the local NIMBY's are on about the increase in traffic? GOD how many transporters are there in this country? let's get real these idiots don't want jobs for the waterside they just want to make believe they still live in the countryside but they don't they live in what's called an urban sprawl. so come on pro jobs watersiders let's be having you(hearing) loosehead
  • Score: -9

9:55am Sat 4 Jan 14

Datarater says...

It's time Southampton annexed the West side of Southampton Water.
It's time Southampton annexed the West side of Southampton Water. Datarater
  • Score: -7

10:06am Sat 4 Jan 14

issacchunt says...

Ellwood, I don't want it to happen but have little doubt it will. The area was reclaimed anyway and very wealthy investers who have the best legal teamhauliersind away.

maybe Jake and God can come to the resue, you could be on a mission. good luck to all that don't want it, southampton council have managed to move all hauliers over to Marchwood so they could build on lorry parks in the city. The City is full and now trying to expand outwards.
Ellwood, I don't want it to happen but have little doubt it will. The area was reclaimed anyway and very wealthy investers who have the best legal teamhauliersind away. maybe Jake and God can come to the resue, you could be on a mission. good luck to all that don't want it, southampton council have managed to move all hauliers over to Marchwood so they could build on lorry parks in the city. The City is full and now trying to expand outwards. issacchunt
  • Score: -5

10:16am Sat 4 Jan 14

phil maccavity says...

forest hump wrote:
Let's hope common sense prevails and develop this project to bring much needed investment and employment to the Waterside area. The selfish and misguided minority need to understand this is a huge opportunity and not continue with their BANANA NIMBY attitude. Good luck ABP, the area needs your innovation.
FH

If you read the Inspectors final summary within the Dibden bay report you will see that he recognised that it was an extremely close decision and on another day with a different person looking at the facts, a different decision would have been made.
However having said that it is noticeable that the out going Port Director has said that any development at Dibden Bay would not be for 'many, many years' so that probably puts this beyond the horizon of many of us so I doubt whether many of those, of a certain age, opposing the scheme will have much to worry about
Meanwhile Councillor Harrison's stance is somewhat mystifying
The Marchwood Sea Mounting Centre is effectively a port. If ABP take it over (for the declared reason to provide car storage fro export vehicles arriving mainly by train) then, I suggest, there would not be major effects on local residents (perhaps it might even pump prime investment in a rail commuter service on the Waterside and additionally delay ABP's interest in Dibden Bay even further.
The alternatives could see either the Military eventually moving out of Marchwood and the site given over to housing or an extension of the Marchwood Industrial estate (possibly resulting in even more local traffic) or a rival bid wins the day, in which case Marchwood Port is likely to be used for the same purpose as ABP's but under the control of rival commercial port interests.
Perhaps Mr Harrison and co would best serve the interests of the whole Waterside community by entering into a dialogue with interested parties to provide a balanced view to the community rather than promote continuous negativity which only plays to the gallery.
If ABP don't t
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Let's hope common sense prevails and develop this project to bring much needed investment and employment to the Waterside area. The selfish and misguided minority need to understand this is a huge opportunity and not continue with their BANANA NIMBY attitude. Good luck ABP, the area needs your innovation.[/p][/quote]FH If you read the Inspectors final summary within the Dibden bay report you will see that he recognised that it was an extremely close decision and on another day with a different person looking at the facts, a different decision would have been made. However having said that it is noticeable that the out going Port Director has said that any development at Dibden Bay would not be for 'many, many years' so that probably puts this beyond the horizon of many of us so I doubt whether many of those, of a certain age, opposing the scheme will have much to worry about Meanwhile Councillor Harrison's stance is somewhat mystifying The Marchwood Sea Mounting Centre is effectively a port. If ABP take it over (for the declared reason to provide car storage fro export vehicles arriving mainly by train) then, I suggest, there would not be major effects on local residents (perhaps it might even pump prime investment in a rail commuter service on the Waterside and additionally delay ABP's interest in Dibden Bay even further. The alternatives could see either the Military eventually moving out of Marchwood and the site given over to housing or an extension of the Marchwood Industrial estate (possibly resulting in even more local traffic) or a rival bid wins the day, in which case Marchwood Port is likely to be used for the same purpose as ABP's but under the control of rival commercial port interests. Perhaps Mr Harrison and co would best serve the interests of the whole Waterside community by entering into a dialogue with interested parties to provide a balanced view to the community rather than promote continuous negativity which only plays to the gallery. If ABP don't t phil maccavity
  • Score: 3

10:38am Sat 4 Jan 14

Ellwood says...

issacchunt says... Ellwood, I don't want it to happen but have little doubt it will. The area was reclaimed anyway and very wealthy investers who have the best legal teamhauliersind away.

maybe Jake and God can come to the resue, you could be on a mission. good luck to all that don't want it, southampton council have managed to move all hauliers over to Marchwood so they could build on lorry parks in the city. The City is full and now trying to expand outwards.

..............ICH...
. I may have given the impression from my comments that I'm against the concept of expansion at ABP. If that's the case then I need to clarify.
I was merely pointing out that, quite rightly, big business shouldn't always get its own way....because often the proposals that are put forward are not in the best interests of those that they pertain to be.

Now, in the case of Dibden Bay, the issue is one that is both complex and sensitive & I don't doubt, that at some point in the future a compromise will have to be reached in order for progress to be made on this issue.
issacchunt says... Ellwood, I don't want it to happen but have little doubt it will. The area was reclaimed anyway and very wealthy investers who have the best legal teamhauliersind away. maybe Jake and God can come to the resue, you could be on a mission. good luck to all that don't want it, southampton council have managed to move all hauliers over to Marchwood so they could build on lorry parks in the city. The City is full and now trying to expand outwards. ..............ICH... . I may have given the impression from my comments that I'm against the concept of expansion at ABP. If that's the case then I need to clarify. I was merely pointing out that, quite rightly, big business shouldn't always get its own way....because often the proposals that are put forward are not in the best interests of those that they pertain to be. Now, in the case of Dibden Bay, the issue is one that is both complex and sensitive & I don't doubt, that at some point in the future a compromise will have to be reached in order for progress to be made on this issue. Ellwood
  • Score: 2

11:58am Sat 4 Jan 14

southy says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Great news if it happens, more jobs for Southampton, lets hope so.
If it happens then it will be separate from Southampton, it will not mean extra jobs as the people who will work on site are all ready employed with the docks and it be a case of if and when needed jobs.

Dibden bay would not be down to us to decide, this concerns the people who live in the area and not us, as for the reclaim land it self a Quay wall for the loading and unloading ships would not be allowed under the original agreement, this land was or is subject to dock related work and not for dock work, the idea was to use the land as laying down area for ship repairs and building ships and other marine vessels, like the oil rig that was built on the laying down area that use to be between Millbrook Point road and Dry Dock 7 was to be moved over to Dibden Bay reclaim land, but this type of work as dry up.
This country do not need any more docks, what is needed is better use of what docks we have and Southampton needs to specialise and choose which type of dock work it want to get into and not try and hog them all, it will be there downfall sooner or later and they will end up losing the lot to another port.
And remember ABPj as no loyalty,s to any Town or City it can up root and go to any other ABPj port in the UK at any time it choose to
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Great news if it happens, more jobs for Southampton, lets hope so.[/p][/quote]If it happens then it will be separate from Southampton, it will not mean extra jobs as the people who will work on site are all ready employed with the docks and it be a case of if and when needed jobs. Dibden bay would not be down to us to decide, this concerns the people who live in the area and not us, as for the reclaim land it self a Quay wall for the loading and unloading ships would not be allowed under the original agreement, this land was or is subject to dock related work and not for dock work, the idea was to use the land as laying down area for ship repairs and building ships and other marine vessels, like the oil rig that was built on the laying down area that use to be between Millbrook Point road and Dry Dock 7 was to be moved over to Dibden Bay reclaim land, but this type of work as dry up. This country do not need any more docks, what is needed is better use of what docks we have and Southampton needs to specialise and choose which type of dock work it want to get into and not try and hog them all, it will be there downfall sooner or later and they will end up losing the lot to another port. And remember ABPj as no loyalty,s to any Town or City it can up root and go to any other ABPj port in the UK at any time it choose to southy
  • Score: -1

12:10pm Sat 4 Jan 14

AD1234 says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
Let's hope the next Planning Inspector isn't bought off by a couple of residents of Hythe Marina Village.
Oh dear. Another bitter and envious little Socialist who didn't work hard enough at school.

Me? Mum was a cleaner; Dad a milkman. Council estate upbringing and a Sec Mod 'education'. But I worked bl@@dy hard, and now in my later years I live in Hythe Marina..

Don't be bitter, mate - work harder.
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: Let's hope the next Planning Inspector isn't bought off by a couple of residents of Hythe Marina Village.[/p][/quote]Oh dear. Another bitter and envious little Socialist who didn't work hard enough at school. Me? Mum was a cleaner; Dad a milkman. Council estate upbringing and a Sec Mod 'education'. But I worked bl@@dy hard, and now in my later years I live in Hythe Marina.. Don't be bitter, mate - work harder. AD1234
  • Score: 3

12:19pm Sat 4 Jan 14

forest hump says...

southy wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Great news if it happens, more jobs for Southampton, lets hope so.
If it happens then it will be separate from Southampton, it will not mean extra jobs as the people who will work on site are all ready employed with the docks and it be a case of if and when needed jobs.

Dibden bay would not be down to us to decide, this concerns the people who live in the area and not us, as for the reclaim land it self a Quay wall for the loading and unloading ships would not be allowed under the original agreement, this land was or is subject to dock related work and not for dock work, the idea was to use the land as laying down area for ship repairs and building ships and other marine vessels, like the oil rig that was built on the laying down area that use to be between Millbrook Point road and Dry Dock 7 was to be moved over to Dibden Bay reclaim land, but this type of work as dry up.
This country do not need any more docks, what is needed is better use of what docks we have and Southampton needs to specialise and choose which type of dock work it want to get into and not try and hog them all, it will be there downfall sooner or later and they will end up losing the lot to another port.
And remember ABPj as no loyalty,s to any Town or City it can up root and go to any other ABPj port in the UK at any time it choose to
"uproot and move" ? Southy, you always seem to ignore facts and dream up crazy scenarios from outdated claptrap.

Read the following.....I doubt, after 145 million invested, will they be uprooting and moving anywhere. Strategically, Southampton is in a prime location and the only changes will be to grow. Look at facts, they cannot be ignored.

Former Southampton Port Director Doug Morrison, who retired in December 2013, has been awarded an OBE in the New Year's Honours list.

The honour is recognition of a lifetime devoted to working in the UK's ports, including Southampton, where he has been port director since 2005.

Since Mr. Morrison's appointment, the Port of Southampton has cemented its position as the UK's premier cruise port, with passenger numbers swelling from 500,000 in 2004 to 1.7 million in 2013.

The port has become the most efficient container port in Europe and is on course to become the UK's number one for car handling.

Mr. Morrison has overseen huge investment at the port, including £45 million for new cruise facilities and over £100 million for improvements to the port's container terminal.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Great news if it happens, more jobs for Southampton, lets hope so.[/p][/quote]If it happens then it will be separate from Southampton, it will not mean extra jobs as the people who will work on site are all ready employed with the docks and it be a case of if and when needed jobs. Dibden bay would not be down to us to decide, this concerns the people who live in the area and not us, as for the reclaim land it self a Quay wall for the loading and unloading ships would not be allowed under the original agreement, this land was or is subject to dock related work and not for dock work, the idea was to use the land as laying down area for ship repairs and building ships and other marine vessels, like the oil rig that was built on the laying down area that use to be between Millbrook Point road and Dry Dock 7 was to be moved over to Dibden Bay reclaim land, but this type of work as dry up. This country do not need any more docks, what is needed is better use of what docks we have and Southampton needs to specialise and choose which type of dock work it want to get into and not try and hog them all, it will be there downfall sooner or later and they will end up losing the lot to another port. And remember ABPj as no loyalty,s to any Town or City it can up root and go to any other ABPj port in the UK at any time it choose to[/p][/quote]"uproot and move" ? Southy, you always seem to ignore facts and dream up crazy scenarios from outdated claptrap. Read the following.....I doubt, after 145 million invested, will they be uprooting and moving anywhere. Strategically, Southampton is in a prime location and the only changes will be to grow. Look at facts, they cannot be ignored. Former Southampton Port Director Doug Morrison, who retired in December 2013, has been awarded an OBE in the New Year's Honours list. The honour is recognition of a lifetime devoted to working in the UK's ports, including Southampton, where he has been port director since 2005. Since Mr. Morrison's appointment, the Port of Southampton has cemented its position as the UK's premier cruise port, with passenger numbers swelling from 500,000 in 2004 to 1.7 million in 2013. The port has become the most efficient container port in Europe and is on course to become the UK's number one for car handling. Mr. Morrison has overseen huge investment at the port, including £45 million for new cruise facilities and over £100 million for improvements to the port's container terminal. forest hump
  • Score: -1

12:31pm Sat 4 Jan 14

forest hump says...

phil maccavity wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Let's hope common sense prevails and develop this project to bring much needed investment and employment to the Waterside area. The selfish and misguided minority need to understand this is a huge opportunity and not continue with their BANANA NIMBY attitude. Good luck ABP, the area needs your innovation.
FH

If you read the Inspectors final summary within the Dibden bay report you will see that he recognised that it was an extremely close decision and on another day with a different person looking at the facts, a different decision would have been made.
However having said that it is noticeable that the out going Port Director has said that any development at Dibden Bay would not be for 'many, many years' so that probably puts this beyond the horizon of many of us so I doubt whether many of those, of a certain age, opposing the scheme will have much to worry about
Meanwhile Councillor Harrison's stance is somewhat mystifying
The Marchwood Sea Mounting Centre is effectively a port. If ABP take it over (for the declared reason to provide car storage fro export vehicles arriving mainly by train) then, I suggest, there would not be major effects on local residents (perhaps it might even pump prime investment in a rail commuter service on the Waterside and additionally delay ABP's interest in Dibden Bay even further.
The alternatives could see either the Military eventually moving out of Marchwood and the site given over to housing or an extension of the Marchwood Industrial estate (possibly resulting in even more local traffic) or a rival bid wins the day, in which case Marchwood Port is likely to be used for the same purpose as ABP's but under the control of rival commercial port interests.
Perhaps Mr Harrison and co would best serve the interests of the whole Waterside community by entering into a dialogue with interested parties to provide a balanced view to the community rather than promote continuous negativity which only plays to the gallery.
If ABP don't t
Phil, I fully agree that Councillor Harrison has some strange agendas. As loosehead inferred in an earlier post, the silent majority need to stand up and be counted. Not let the outspoken minority prevail with their ill-informed ideas. The world of politics is full of individuals working their own agendas and not representing the often-correct majority.
Dibden Bay/Marchwood Sea Mounting Centre (either/or/both) present an excellent case for infrastructure improvements. Not only, but including dualling the A-326 (required now without the port extension) and improvement of rail links with national network.
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Let's hope common sense prevails and develop this project to bring much needed investment and employment to the Waterside area. The selfish and misguided minority need to understand this is a huge opportunity and not continue with their BANANA NIMBY attitude. Good luck ABP, the area needs your innovation.[/p][/quote]FH If you read the Inspectors final summary within the Dibden bay report you will see that he recognised that it was an extremely close decision and on another day with a different person looking at the facts, a different decision would have been made. However having said that it is noticeable that the out going Port Director has said that any development at Dibden Bay would not be for 'many, many years' so that probably puts this beyond the horizon of many of us so I doubt whether many of those, of a certain age, opposing the scheme will have much to worry about Meanwhile Councillor Harrison's stance is somewhat mystifying The Marchwood Sea Mounting Centre is effectively a port. If ABP take it over (for the declared reason to provide car storage fro export vehicles arriving mainly by train) then, I suggest, there would not be major effects on local residents (perhaps it might even pump prime investment in a rail commuter service on the Waterside and additionally delay ABP's interest in Dibden Bay even further. The alternatives could see either the Military eventually moving out of Marchwood and the site given over to housing or an extension of the Marchwood Industrial estate (possibly resulting in even more local traffic) or a rival bid wins the day, in which case Marchwood Port is likely to be used for the same purpose as ABP's but under the control of rival commercial port interests. Perhaps Mr Harrison and co would best serve the interests of the whole Waterside community by entering into a dialogue with interested parties to provide a balanced view to the community rather than promote continuous negativity which only plays to the gallery. If ABP don't t[/p][/quote]Phil, I fully agree that Councillor Harrison has some strange agendas. As loosehead inferred in an earlier post, the silent majority need to stand up and be counted. Not let the outspoken minority prevail with their ill-informed ideas. The world of politics is full of individuals working their own agendas and not representing the often-correct majority. Dibden Bay/Marchwood Sea Mounting Centre (either/or/both) present an excellent case for infrastructure improvements. Not only, but including dualling the A-326 (required now without the port extension) and improvement of rail links with national network. forest hump
  • Score: -2

12:49pm Sat 4 Jan 14

befriendly says...

People moan about the Government not doing enough to help them by providing jobs and investment, but then those same people moan about the jobs and investment being where they live. This country will keep going backwards until these moaners realize the jobs and investment has to go somewhere and that somewhere is where it is most suitable and practical. We are hampered from progressing in the world from weak politicians and to much nimbysm. When the channel tunnel was being built the French built a high speed line to cater for it while our politicians held inquiries and consultations for years after.
People moan about the Government not doing enough to help them by providing jobs and investment, but then those same people moan about the jobs and investment being where they live. This country will keep going backwards until these moaners realize the jobs and investment has to go somewhere and that somewhere is where it is most suitable and practical. We are hampered from progressing in the world from weak politicians and to much nimbysm. When the channel tunnel was being built the French built a high speed line to cater for it while our politicians held inquiries and consultations for years after. befriendly
  • Score: -4

12:55pm Sat 4 Jan 14

southy says...

forest hump wrote:
southy wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Great news if it happens, more jobs for Southampton, lets hope so.
If it happens then it will be separate from Southampton, it will not mean extra jobs as the people who will work on site are all ready employed with the docks and it be a case of if and when needed jobs.

Dibden bay would not be down to us to decide, this concerns the people who live in the area and not us, as for the reclaim land it self a Quay wall for the loading and unloading ships would not be allowed under the original agreement, this land was or is subject to dock related work and not for dock work, the idea was to use the land as laying down area for ship repairs and building ships and other marine vessels, like the oil rig that was built on the laying down area that use to be between Millbrook Point road and Dry Dock 7 was to be moved over to Dibden Bay reclaim land, but this type of work as dry up.
This country do not need any more docks, what is needed is better use of what docks we have and Southampton needs to specialise and choose which type of dock work it want to get into and not try and hog them all, it will be there downfall sooner or later and they will end up losing the lot to another port.
And remember ABPj as no loyalty,s to any Town or City it can up root and go to any other ABPj port in the UK at any time it choose to
"uproot and move" ? Southy, you always seem to ignore facts and dream up crazy scenarios from outdated claptrap.

Read the following.....I doubt, after 145 million invested, will they be uprooting and moving anywhere. Strategically, Southampton is in a prime location and the only changes will be to grow. Look at facts, they cannot be ignored.

Former Southampton Port Director Doug Morrison, who retired in December 2013, has been awarded an OBE in the New Year's Honours list.

The honour is recognition of a lifetime devoted to working in the UK's ports, including Southampton, where he has been port director since 2005.

Since Mr. Morrison's appointment, the Port of Southampton has cemented its position as the UK's premier cruise port, with passenger numbers swelling from 500,000 in 2004 to 1.7 million in 2013.

The port has become the most efficient container port in Europe and is on course to become the UK's number one for car handling.

Mr. Morrison has overseen huge investment at the port, including £45 million for new cruise facilities and over £100 million for improvements to the port's container terminal.
They can uproot at any time they ABP'J don't just own ports in the UK now they also own ports else where, they have no loyalty to any town or city they are a corporation and will go where the biggest profit is.
Cruise Passengers will drop sooner or later people taste will change on how they take there holiday it would be subject to any other fad it will have its rise and its fall, The port is not the most efficient container port in Europe it is one of the most in the UK in line with the other 2 major container ports, stop over rating the port, Southampton don't see the longest container ships in the world but the 2 eastern ports do, the longest container ships don't come up this river, the prevailing cross winds that we get puts a stop for them coming here and is why they use the eastern ports as they would be heading into the wind giving them more steerage control.
The money spent in our dock by ABP'j is money that they would of spent any way all ports gets a lot of money spent on them its an on going maintenance and up grading program, the future container port for the south and east coast will be the new container port at Shell Heaven, when work is completed it will be the major container port.
As for cars there is no hope of them becoming number one, more so now that Fords as closed its Transit factory here, Turkey Transits are all ready coming into the country though Dagenham quay wall and at Portbury/Avonmouth docks, Avonmouth and Portbury docks are the biggest car handlers in the country they have a car storage area that you can fit the whole of Southampton docks in and that is just cars, there are talks about building a fruit handling area, theres all ready been test piling on the River Severn for a new container port and the rail link up with Shell heaven as all ready been started first stage is conpleted
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Great news if it happens, more jobs for Southampton, lets hope so.[/p][/quote]If it happens then it will be separate from Southampton, it will not mean extra jobs as the people who will work on site are all ready employed with the docks and it be a case of if and when needed jobs. Dibden bay would not be down to us to decide, this concerns the people who live in the area and not us, as for the reclaim land it self a Quay wall for the loading and unloading ships would not be allowed under the original agreement, this land was or is subject to dock related work and not for dock work, the idea was to use the land as laying down area for ship repairs and building ships and other marine vessels, like the oil rig that was built on the laying down area that use to be between Millbrook Point road and Dry Dock 7 was to be moved over to Dibden Bay reclaim land, but this type of work as dry up. This country do not need any more docks, what is needed is better use of what docks we have and Southampton needs to specialise and choose which type of dock work it want to get into and not try and hog them all, it will be there downfall sooner or later and they will end up losing the lot to another port. And remember ABPj as no loyalty,s to any Town or City it can up root and go to any other ABPj port in the UK at any time it choose to[/p][/quote]"uproot and move" ? Southy, you always seem to ignore facts and dream up crazy scenarios from outdated claptrap. Read the following.....I doubt, after 145 million invested, will they be uprooting and moving anywhere. Strategically, Southampton is in a prime location and the only changes will be to grow. Look at facts, they cannot be ignored. Former Southampton Port Director Doug Morrison, who retired in December 2013, has been awarded an OBE in the New Year's Honours list. The honour is recognition of a lifetime devoted to working in the UK's ports, including Southampton, where he has been port director since 2005. Since Mr. Morrison's appointment, the Port of Southampton has cemented its position as the UK's premier cruise port, with passenger numbers swelling from 500,000 in 2004 to 1.7 million in 2013. The port has become the most efficient container port in Europe and is on course to become the UK's number one for car handling. Mr. Morrison has overseen huge investment at the port, including £45 million for new cruise facilities and over £100 million for improvements to the port's container terminal.[/p][/quote]They can uproot at any time they ABP'J don't just own ports in the UK now they also own ports else where, they have no loyalty to any town or city they are a corporation and will go where the biggest profit is. Cruise Passengers will drop sooner or later people taste will change on how they take there holiday it would be subject to any other fad it will have its rise and its fall, The port is not the most efficient container port in Europe it is one of the most in the UK in line with the other 2 major container ports, stop over rating the port, Southampton don't see the longest container ships in the world but the 2 eastern ports do, the longest container ships don't come up this river, the prevailing cross winds that we get puts a stop for them coming here and is why they use the eastern ports as they would be heading into the wind giving them more steerage control. The money spent in our dock by ABP'j is money that they would of spent any way all ports gets a lot of money spent on them its an on going maintenance and up grading program, the future container port for the south and east coast will be the new container port at Shell Heaven, when work is completed it will be the major container port. As for cars there is no hope of them becoming number one, more so now that Fords as closed its Transit factory here, Turkey Transits are all ready coming into the country though Dagenham quay wall and at Portbury/Avonmouth docks, Avonmouth and Portbury docks are the biggest car handlers in the country they have a car storage area that you can fit the whole of Southampton docks in and that is just cars, there are talks about building a fruit handling area, theres all ready been test piling on the River Severn for a new container port and the rail link up with Shell heaven as all ready been started first stage is conpleted southy
  • Score: -2

1:22pm Sat 4 Jan 14

forest hump says...

southy wrote:
forest hump wrote:
southy wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Great news if it happens, more jobs for Southampton, lets hope so.
If it happens then it will be separate from Southampton, it will not mean extra jobs as the people who will work on site are all ready employed with the docks and it be a case of if and when needed jobs.

Dibden bay would not be down to us to decide, this concerns the people who live in the area and not us, as for the reclaim land it self a Quay wall for the loading and unloading ships would not be allowed under the original agreement, this land was or is subject to dock related work and not for dock work, the idea was to use the land as laying down area for ship repairs and building ships and other marine vessels, like the oil rig that was built on the laying down area that use to be between Millbrook Point road and Dry Dock 7 was to be moved over to Dibden Bay reclaim land, but this type of work as dry up.
This country do not need any more docks, what is needed is better use of what docks we have and Southampton needs to specialise and choose which type of dock work it want to get into and not try and hog them all, it will be there downfall sooner or later and they will end up losing the lot to another port.
And remember ABPj as no loyalty,s to any Town or City it can up root and go to any other ABPj port in the UK at any time it choose to
"uproot and move" ? Southy, you always seem to ignore facts and dream up crazy scenarios from outdated claptrap.

Read the following.....I doubt, after 145 million invested, will they be uprooting and moving anywhere. Strategically, Southampton is in a prime location and the only changes will be to grow. Look at facts, they cannot be ignored.

Former Southampton Port Director Doug Morrison, who retired in December 2013, has been awarded an OBE in the New Year's Honours list.

The honour is recognition of a lifetime devoted to working in the UK's ports, including Southampton, where he has been port director since 2005.

Since Mr. Morrison's appointment, the Port of Southampton has cemented its position as the UK's premier cruise port, with passenger numbers swelling from 500,000 in 2004 to 1.7 million in 2013.

The port has become the most efficient container port in Europe and is on course to become the UK's number one for car handling.

Mr. Morrison has overseen huge investment at the port, including £45 million for new cruise facilities and over £100 million for improvements to the port's container terminal.
They can uproot at any time they ABP'J don't just own ports in the UK now they also own ports else where, they have no loyalty to any town or city they are a corporation and will go where the biggest profit is.
Cruise Passengers will drop sooner or later people taste will change on how they take there holiday it would be subject to any other fad it will have its rise and its fall, The port is not the most efficient container port in Europe it is one of the most in the UK in line with the other 2 major container ports, stop over rating the port, Southampton don't see the longest container ships in the world but the 2 eastern ports do, the longest container ships don't come up this river, the prevailing cross winds that we get puts a stop for them coming here and is why they use the eastern ports as they would be heading into the wind giving them more steerage control.
The money spent in our dock by ABP'j is money that they would of spent any way all ports gets a lot of money spent on them its an on going maintenance and up grading program, the future container port for the south and east coast will be the new container port at Shell Heaven, when work is completed it will be the major container port.
As for cars there is no hope of them becoming number one, more so now that Fords as closed its Transit factory here, Turkey Transits are all ready coming into the country though Dagenham quay wall and at Portbury/Avonmouth docks, Avonmouth and Portbury docks are the biggest car handlers in the country they have a car storage area that you can fit the whole of Southampton docks in and that is just cars, there are talks about building a fruit handling area, theres all ready been test piling on the River Severn for a new container port and the rail link up with Shell heaven as all ready been started first stage is conpleted
Good to see you are so supportive and upbeat about the future of the Port of Southampton. You need to get off of your communist political soapbox and enter the real world. Stop dreaming man, if you are that smart you ought to know you are spouting drivel. Perhaps you do???
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Great news if it happens, more jobs for Southampton, lets hope so.[/p][/quote]If it happens then it will be separate from Southampton, it will not mean extra jobs as the people who will work on site are all ready employed with the docks and it be a case of if and when needed jobs. Dibden bay would not be down to us to decide, this concerns the people who live in the area and not us, as for the reclaim land it self a Quay wall for the loading and unloading ships would not be allowed under the original agreement, this land was or is subject to dock related work and not for dock work, the idea was to use the land as laying down area for ship repairs and building ships and other marine vessels, like the oil rig that was built on the laying down area that use to be between Millbrook Point road and Dry Dock 7 was to be moved over to Dibden Bay reclaim land, but this type of work as dry up. This country do not need any more docks, what is needed is better use of what docks we have and Southampton needs to specialise and choose which type of dock work it want to get into and not try and hog them all, it will be there downfall sooner or later and they will end up losing the lot to another port. And remember ABPj as no loyalty,s to any Town or City it can up root and go to any other ABPj port in the UK at any time it choose to[/p][/quote]"uproot and move" ? Southy, you always seem to ignore facts and dream up crazy scenarios from outdated claptrap. Read the following.....I doubt, after 145 million invested, will they be uprooting and moving anywhere. Strategically, Southampton is in a prime location and the only changes will be to grow. Look at facts, they cannot be ignored. Former Southampton Port Director Doug Morrison, who retired in December 2013, has been awarded an OBE in the New Year's Honours list. The honour is recognition of a lifetime devoted to working in the UK's ports, including Southampton, where he has been port director since 2005. Since Mr. Morrison's appointment, the Port of Southampton has cemented its position as the UK's premier cruise port, with passenger numbers swelling from 500,000 in 2004 to 1.7 million in 2013. The port has become the most efficient container port in Europe and is on course to become the UK's number one for car handling. Mr. Morrison has overseen huge investment at the port, including £45 million for new cruise facilities and over £100 million for improvements to the port's container terminal.[/p][/quote]They can uproot at any time they ABP'J don't just own ports in the UK now they also own ports else where, they have no loyalty to any town or city they are a corporation and will go where the biggest profit is. Cruise Passengers will drop sooner or later people taste will change on how they take there holiday it would be subject to any other fad it will have its rise and its fall, The port is not the most efficient container port in Europe it is one of the most in the UK in line with the other 2 major container ports, stop over rating the port, Southampton don't see the longest container ships in the world but the 2 eastern ports do, the longest container ships don't come up this river, the prevailing cross winds that we get puts a stop for them coming here and is why they use the eastern ports as they would be heading into the wind giving them more steerage control. The money spent in our dock by ABP'j is money that they would of spent any way all ports gets a lot of money spent on them its an on going maintenance and up grading program, the future container port for the south and east coast will be the new container port at Shell Heaven, when work is completed it will be the major container port. As for cars there is no hope of them becoming number one, more so now that Fords as closed its Transit factory here, Turkey Transits are all ready coming into the country though Dagenham quay wall and at Portbury/Avonmouth docks, Avonmouth and Portbury docks are the biggest car handlers in the country they have a car storage area that you can fit the whole of Southampton docks in and that is just cars, there are talks about building a fruit handling area, theres all ready been test piling on the River Severn for a new container port and the rail link up with Shell heaven as all ready been started first stage is conpleted[/p][/quote]Good to see you are so supportive and upbeat about the future of the Port of Southampton. You need to get off of your communist political soapbox and enter the real world. Stop dreaming man, if you are that smart you ought to know you are spouting drivel. Perhaps you do??? forest hump
  • Score: -2

1:30pm Sat 4 Jan 14

southy says...

forest hump wrote:
southy wrote:
forest hump wrote:
southy wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Great news if it happens, more jobs for Southampton, lets hope so.
If it happens then it will be separate from Southampton, it will not mean extra jobs as the people who will work on site are all ready employed with the docks and it be a case of if and when needed jobs.

Dibden bay would not be down to us to decide, this concerns the people who live in the area and not us, as for the reclaim land it self a Quay wall for the loading and unloading ships would not be allowed under the original agreement, this land was or is subject to dock related work and not for dock work, the idea was to use the land as laying down area for ship repairs and building ships and other marine vessels, like the oil rig that was built on the laying down area that use to be between Millbrook Point road and Dry Dock 7 was to be moved over to Dibden Bay reclaim land, but this type of work as dry up.
This country do not need any more docks, what is needed is better use of what docks we have and Southampton needs to specialise and choose which type of dock work it want to get into and not try and hog them all, it will be there downfall sooner or later and they will end up losing the lot to another port.
And remember ABPj as no loyalty,s to any Town or City it can up root and go to any other ABPj port in the UK at any time it choose to
"uproot and move" ? Southy, you always seem to ignore facts and dream up crazy scenarios from outdated claptrap.

Read the following.....I doubt, after 145 million invested, will they be uprooting and moving anywhere. Strategically, Southampton is in a prime location and the only changes will be to grow. Look at facts, they cannot be ignored.

Former Southampton Port Director Doug Morrison, who retired in December 2013, has been awarded an OBE in the New Year's Honours list.

The honour is recognition of a lifetime devoted to working in the UK's ports, including Southampton, where he has been port director since 2005.

Since Mr. Morrison's appointment, the Port of Southampton has cemented its position as the UK's premier cruise port, with passenger numbers swelling from 500,000 in 2004 to 1.7 million in 2013.

The port has become the most efficient container port in Europe and is on course to become the UK's number one for car handling.

Mr. Morrison has overseen huge investment at the port, including £45 million for new cruise facilities and over £100 million for improvements to the port's container terminal.
They can uproot at any time they ABP'J don't just own ports in the UK now they also own ports else where, they have no loyalty to any town or city they are a corporation and will go where the biggest profit is.
Cruise Passengers will drop sooner or later people taste will change on how they take there holiday it would be subject to any other fad it will have its rise and its fall, The port is not the most efficient container port in Europe it is one of the most in the UK in line with the other 2 major container ports, stop over rating the port, Southampton don't see the longest container ships in the world but the 2 eastern ports do, the longest container ships don't come up this river, the prevailing cross winds that we get puts a stop for them coming here and is why they use the eastern ports as they would be heading into the wind giving them more steerage control.
The money spent in our dock by ABP'j is money that they would of spent any way all ports gets a lot of money spent on them its an on going maintenance and up grading program, the future container port for the south and east coast will be the new container port at Shell Heaven, when work is completed it will be the major container port.
As for cars there is no hope of them becoming number one, more so now that Fords as closed its Transit factory here, Turkey Transits are all ready coming into the country though Dagenham quay wall and at Portbury/Avonmouth docks, Avonmouth and Portbury docks are the biggest car handlers in the country they have a car storage area that you can fit the whole of Southampton docks in and that is just cars, there are talks about building a fruit handling area, theres all ready been test piling on the River Severn for a new container port and the rail link up with Shell heaven as all ready been started first stage is conpleted
Good to see you are so supportive and upbeat about the future of the Port of Southampton. You need to get off of your communist political soapbox and enter the real world. Stop dreaming man, if you are that smart you ought to know you are spouting drivel. Perhaps you do???
Be realist do not a'peel to you do it, there,s nothing communist about it at all just common Capitalist logic no loyalty to any one apart from them selfs greed is the order of the day, that is just 1 capitalist motto, there,s no drivel whats so ever just plain facts of what is
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Great news if it happens, more jobs for Southampton, lets hope so.[/p][/quote]If it happens then it will be separate from Southampton, it will not mean extra jobs as the people who will work on site are all ready employed with the docks and it be a case of if and when needed jobs. Dibden bay would not be down to us to decide, this concerns the people who live in the area and not us, as for the reclaim land it self a Quay wall for the loading and unloading ships would not be allowed under the original agreement, this land was or is subject to dock related work and not for dock work, the idea was to use the land as laying down area for ship repairs and building ships and other marine vessels, like the oil rig that was built on the laying down area that use to be between Millbrook Point road and Dry Dock 7 was to be moved over to Dibden Bay reclaim land, but this type of work as dry up. This country do not need any more docks, what is needed is better use of what docks we have and Southampton needs to specialise and choose which type of dock work it want to get into and not try and hog them all, it will be there downfall sooner or later and they will end up losing the lot to another port. And remember ABPj as no loyalty,s to any Town or City it can up root and go to any other ABPj port in the UK at any time it choose to[/p][/quote]"uproot and move" ? Southy, you always seem to ignore facts and dream up crazy scenarios from outdated claptrap. Read the following.....I doubt, after 145 million invested, will they be uprooting and moving anywhere. Strategically, Southampton is in a prime location and the only changes will be to grow. Look at facts, they cannot be ignored. Former Southampton Port Director Doug Morrison, who retired in December 2013, has been awarded an OBE in the New Year's Honours list. The honour is recognition of a lifetime devoted to working in the UK's ports, including Southampton, where he has been port director since 2005. Since Mr. Morrison's appointment, the Port of Southampton has cemented its position as the UK's premier cruise port, with passenger numbers swelling from 500,000 in 2004 to 1.7 million in 2013. The port has become the most efficient container port in Europe and is on course to become the UK's number one for car handling. Mr. Morrison has overseen huge investment at the port, including £45 million for new cruise facilities and over £100 million for improvements to the port's container terminal.[/p][/quote]They can uproot at any time they ABP'J don't just own ports in the UK now they also own ports else where, they have no loyalty to any town or city they are a corporation and will go where the biggest profit is. Cruise Passengers will drop sooner or later people taste will change on how they take there holiday it would be subject to any other fad it will have its rise and its fall, The port is not the most efficient container port in Europe it is one of the most in the UK in line with the other 2 major container ports, stop over rating the port, Southampton don't see the longest container ships in the world but the 2 eastern ports do, the longest container ships don't come up this river, the prevailing cross winds that we get puts a stop for them coming here and is why they use the eastern ports as they would be heading into the wind giving them more steerage control. The money spent in our dock by ABP'j is money that they would of spent any way all ports gets a lot of money spent on them its an on going maintenance and up grading program, the future container port for the south and east coast will be the new container port at Shell Heaven, when work is completed it will be the major container port. As for cars there is no hope of them becoming number one, more so now that Fords as closed its Transit factory here, Turkey Transits are all ready coming into the country though Dagenham quay wall and at Portbury/Avonmouth docks, Avonmouth and Portbury docks are the biggest car handlers in the country they have a car storage area that you can fit the whole of Southampton docks in and that is just cars, there are talks about building a fruit handling area, theres all ready been test piling on the River Severn for a new container port and the rail link up with Shell heaven as all ready been started first stage is conpleted[/p][/quote]Good to see you are so supportive and upbeat about the future of the Port of Southampton. You need to get off of your communist political soapbox and enter the real world. Stop dreaming man, if you are that smart you ought to know you are spouting drivel. Perhaps you do???[/p][/quote]Be realist do not a'peel to you do it, there,s nothing communist about it at all just common Capitalist logic no loyalty to any one apart from them selfs greed is the order of the day, that is just 1 capitalist motto, there,s no drivel whats so ever just plain facts of what is southy
  • Score: 0

1:36pm Sat 4 Jan 14

phil maccavity says...

southy wrote:
forest hump wrote:
southy wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Great news if it happens, more jobs for Southampton, lets hope so.
If it happens then it will be separate from Southampton, it will not mean extra jobs as the people who will work on site are all ready employed with the docks and it be a case of if and when needed jobs.

Dibden bay would not be down to us to decide, this concerns the people who live in the area and not us, as for the reclaim land it self a Quay wall for the loading and unloading ships would not be allowed under the original agreement, this land was or is subject to dock related work and not for dock work, the idea was to use the land as laying down area for ship repairs and building ships and other marine vessels, like the oil rig that was built on the laying down area that use to be between Millbrook Point road and Dry Dock 7 was to be moved over to Dibden Bay reclaim land, but this type of work as dry up.
This country do not need any more docks, what is needed is better use of what docks we have and Southampton needs to specialise and choose which type of dock work it want to get into and not try and hog them all, it will be there downfall sooner or later and they will end up losing the lot to another port.
And remember ABPj as no loyalty,s to any Town or City it can up root and go to any other ABPj port in the UK at any time it choose to
"uproot and move" ? Southy, you always seem to ignore facts and dream up crazy scenarios from outdated claptrap.

Read the following.....I doubt, after 145 million invested, will they be uprooting and moving anywhere. Strategically, Southampton is in a prime location and the only changes will be to grow. Look at facts, they cannot be ignored.

Former Southampton Port Director Doug Morrison, who retired in December 2013, has been awarded an OBE in the New Year's Honours list.

The honour is recognition of a lifetime devoted to working in the UK's ports, including Southampton, where he has been port director since 2005.

Since Mr. Morrison's appointment, the Port of Southampton has cemented its position as the UK's premier cruise port, with passenger numbers swelling from 500,000 in 2004 to 1.7 million in 2013.

The port has become the most efficient container port in Europe and is on course to become the UK's number one for car handling.

Mr. Morrison has overseen huge investment at the port, including £45 million for new cruise facilities and over £100 million for improvements to the port's container terminal.
They can uproot at any time they ABP'J don't just own ports in the UK now they also own ports else where, they have no loyalty to any town or city they are a corporation and will go where the biggest profit is.
Cruise Passengers will drop sooner or later people taste will change on how they take there holiday it would be subject to any other fad it will have its rise and its fall, The port is not the most efficient container port in Europe it is one of the most in the UK in line with the other 2 major container ports, stop over rating the port, Southampton don't see the longest container ships in the world but the 2 eastern ports do, the longest container ships don't come up this river, the prevailing cross winds that we get puts a stop for them coming here and is why they use the eastern ports as they would be heading into the wind giving them more steerage control.
The money spent in our dock by ABP'j is money that they would of spent any way all ports gets a lot of money spent on them its an on going maintenance and up grading program, the future container port for the south and east coast will be the new container port at Shell Heaven, when work is completed it will be the major container port.
As for cars there is no hope of them becoming number one, more so now that Fords as closed its Transit factory here, Turkey Transits are all ready coming into the country though Dagenham quay wall and at Portbury/Avonmouth docks, Avonmouth and Portbury docks are the biggest car handlers in the country they have a car storage area that you can fit the whole of Southampton docks in and that is just cars, there are talks about building a fruit handling area, theres all ready been test piling on the River Severn for a new container port and the rail link up with Shell heaven as all ready been started first stage is conpleted
Southy
As usual quite a few inaccuracies here.
According to any info I can find ABP do not own any ports outside the UK
The worlds largest container ships do visit Soton eg 'Marco Polo' at 396m
Wind problems? Interesting that there is more wind stoppages in Felixstowe than Soton.
Unless Govt statistics are incorrect Portbury/Avonmouth don't handle the most car imports/exports in the Uk
According to latest figures this honour lies with Grimsby & Immingham with Southampton shading Newcastle for 2nd place.
Portbury/Avonmouth down in 4th place!!!
Also their Fruit Handling terminal has been operational for a few years (not very successfully) and they have more or less given up on the Container Terminal project
Oh and 'Shell heaven' (actually known as London Gateway) is now operational (but it only has one small customer) and that is why there wont be any development at Dibden Bay for many years unless there is a demand for really Mega container ships unable to be handled at current UK facilities.
All this information is readily available at Soton Library or on the Internet
It is worth brushing up on facts rather than assumptions
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Great news if it happens, more jobs for Southampton, lets hope so.[/p][/quote]If it happens then it will be separate from Southampton, it will not mean extra jobs as the people who will work on site are all ready employed with the docks and it be a case of if and when needed jobs. Dibden bay would not be down to us to decide, this concerns the people who live in the area and not us, as for the reclaim land it self a Quay wall for the loading and unloading ships would not be allowed under the original agreement, this land was or is subject to dock related work and not for dock work, the idea was to use the land as laying down area for ship repairs and building ships and other marine vessels, like the oil rig that was built on the laying down area that use to be between Millbrook Point road and Dry Dock 7 was to be moved over to Dibden Bay reclaim land, but this type of work as dry up. This country do not need any more docks, what is needed is better use of what docks we have and Southampton needs to specialise and choose which type of dock work it want to get into and not try and hog them all, it will be there downfall sooner or later and they will end up losing the lot to another port. And remember ABPj as no loyalty,s to any Town or City it can up root and go to any other ABPj port in the UK at any time it choose to[/p][/quote]"uproot and move" ? Southy, you always seem to ignore facts and dream up crazy scenarios from outdated claptrap. Read the following.....I doubt, after 145 million invested, will they be uprooting and moving anywhere. Strategically, Southampton is in a prime location and the only changes will be to grow. Look at facts, they cannot be ignored. Former Southampton Port Director Doug Morrison, who retired in December 2013, has been awarded an OBE in the New Year's Honours list. The honour is recognition of a lifetime devoted to working in the UK's ports, including Southampton, where he has been port director since 2005. Since Mr. Morrison's appointment, the Port of Southampton has cemented its position as the UK's premier cruise port, with passenger numbers swelling from 500,000 in 2004 to 1.7 million in 2013. The port has become the most efficient container port in Europe and is on course to become the UK's number one for car handling. Mr. Morrison has overseen huge investment at the port, including £45 million for new cruise facilities and over £100 million for improvements to the port's container terminal.[/p][/quote]They can uproot at any time they ABP'J don't just own ports in the UK now they also own ports else where, they have no loyalty to any town or city they are a corporation and will go where the biggest profit is. Cruise Passengers will drop sooner or later people taste will change on how they take there holiday it would be subject to any other fad it will have its rise and its fall, The port is not the most efficient container port in Europe it is one of the most in the UK in line with the other 2 major container ports, stop over rating the port, Southampton don't see the longest container ships in the world but the 2 eastern ports do, the longest container ships don't come up this river, the prevailing cross winds that we get puts a stop for them coming here and is why they use the eastern ports as they would be heading into the wind giving them more steerage control. The money spent in our dock by ABP'j is money that they would of spent any way all ports gets a lot of money spent on them its an on going maintenance and up grading program, the future container port for the south and east coast will be the new container port at Shell Heaven, when work is completed it will be the major container port. As for cars there is no hope of them becoming number one, more so now that Fords as closed its Transit factory here, Turkey Transits are all ready coming into the country though Dagenham quay wall and at Portbury/Avonmouth docks, Avonmouth and Portbury docks are the biggest car handlers in the country they have a car storage area that you can fit the whole of Southampton docks in and that is just cars, there are talks about building a fruit handling area, theres all ready been test piling on the River Severn for a new container port and the rail link up with Shell heaven as all ready been started first stage is conpleted[/p][/quote]Southy As usual quite a few inaccuracies here. According to any info I can find ABP do not own any ports outside the UK The worlds largest container ships do visit Soton eg 'Marco Polo' at 396m Wind problems? Interesting that there is more wind stoppages in Felixstowe than Soton. Unless Govt statistics are incorrect Portbury/Avonmouth don't handle the most car imports/exports in the Uk According to latest figures this honour lies with Grimsby & Immingham with Southampton shading Newcastle for 2nd place. Portbury/Avonmouth down in 4th place!!! Also their Fruit Handling terminal has been operational for a few years (not very successfully) and they have more or less given up on the Container Terminal project Oh and 'Shell heaven' (actually known as London Gateway) is now operational (but it only has one small customer) and that is why there wont be any development at Dibden Bay for many years unless there is a demand for really Mega container ships unable to be handled at current UK facilities. All this information is readily available at Soton Library or on the Internet It is worth brushing up on facts rather than assumptions phil maccavity
  • Score: 6

2:28pm Sat 4 Jan 14

southy says...

Marco polo is not the longest container ship, the 4 longest container ships do not call into Southampton apart from maybe call by if the weather is favourable.
Marco Polo is 396 meters from bow to stern, with a 54 meter beam.
Mc-Kinney, Majestic, Mary and Marie are 398 meters bow to stern and a beam of 58.
Emma, Estelle, Eleonora,
Marco polo is not the longest container ship, the 4 longest container ships do not call into Southampton apart from maybe call by if the weather is favourable. Marco Polo is 396 meters from bow to stern, with a 54 meter beam. Mc-Kinney, Majestic, Mary and Marie are 398 meters bow to stern and a beam of 58. Emma, Estelle, Eleonora, southy
  • Score: -2

2:35pm Sat 4 Jan 14

southy says...

southy wrote:
Marco polo is not the longest container ship, the 4 longest container ships do not call into Southampton apart from maybe call by if the weather is favourable.
Marco Polo is 396 meters from bow to stern, with a 54 meter beam.
Mc-Kinney, Majestic, Mary and Marie are 398 meters bow to stern and a beam of 58.
Emma, Estelle, Eleonora,
Emma, Estelle, Eleonora, Evelyn, Ebba, Elly, Edith and Eugen are also longer with a length of 397.7 meters and 56.4 beam and they too do not call into Southampton.
Note on the Emma she still is the longest ship at the water line / loading line
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Marco polo is not the longest container ship, the 4 longest container ships do not call into Southampton apart from maybe call by if the weather is favourable. Marco Polo is 396 meters from bow to stern, with a 54 meter beam. Mc-Kinney, Majestic, Mary and Marie are 398 meters bow to stern and a beam of 58. Emma, Estelle, Eleonora,[/p][/quote]Emma, Estelle, Eleonora, Evelyn, Ebba, Elly, Edith and Eugen are also longer with a length of 397.7 meters and 56.4 beam and they too do not call into Southampton. Note on the Emma she still is the longest ship at the water line / loading line southy
  • Score: -2

2:43pm Sat 4 Jan 14

forest hump says...

southy wrote:
southy wrote:
Marco polo is not the longest container ship, the 4 longest container ships do not call into Southampton apart from maybe call by if the weather is favourable.
Marco Polo is 396 meters from bow to stern, with a 54 meter beam.
Mc-Kinney, Majestic, Mary and Marie are 398 meters bow to stern and a beam of 58.
Emma, Estelle, Eleonora,
Emma, Estelle, Eleonora, Evelyn, Ebba, Elly, Edith and Eugen are also longer with a length of 397.7 meters and 56.4 beam and they too do not call into Southampton.
Note on the Emma she still is the longest ship at the water line / loading line
Mr Pedant, my dad is bigger than yours
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Marco polo is not the longest container ship, the 4 longest container ships do not call into Southampton apart from maybe call by if the weather is favourable. Marco Polo is 396 meters from bow to stern, with a 54 meter beam. Mc-Kinney, Majestic, Mary and Marie are 398 meters bow to stern and a beam of 58. Emma, Estelle, Eleonora,[/p][/quote]Emma, Estelle, Eleonora, Evelyn, Ebba, Elly, Edith and Eugen are also longer with a length of 397.7 meters and 56.4 beam and they too do not call into Southampton. Note on the Emma she still is the longest ship at the water line / loading line[/p][/quote]Mr Pedant, my dad is bigger than yours forest hump
  • Score: 0

2:50pm Sat 4 Jan 14

southy says...

Every car transporter that calls into Southampton you will see in Avonmouth and Portbury docks also and a number that don't call into Southampton.
The fruit terminal that is used now is the old one, they are talking about new sheds with each having there own chiller up on the Severn beach quay, the old oil quay along Severn Beach is to be closed down and moved up river. The Container port that is going to be built on the Severn is on hold while they look at a new location north of the Severn Bridge.
Shell heaven only got one quay wall working at the moment the rest is still in process, bit like how they started here in Southampton Container port first you have berth 201 and 202 only before 203 came into operation, but shell heaven when they have finished I believe there will be more quay mooring wall, a much larger container storage area, a lot more rail tracks for loading and unloading and a direct link to the West coast
Every car transporter that calls into Southampton you will see in Avonmouth and Portbury docks also and a number that don't call into Southampton. The fruit terminal that is used now is the old one, they are talking about new sheds with each having there own chiller up on the Severn beach quay, the old oil quay along Severn Beach is to be closed down and moved up river. The Container port that is going to be built on the Severn is on hold while they look at a new location north of the Severn Bridge. Shell heaven only got one quay wall working at the moment the rest is still in process, bit like how they started here in Southampton Container port first you have berth 201 and 202 only before 203 came into operation, but shell heaven when they have finished I believe there will be more quay mooring wall, a much larger container storage area, a lot more rail tracks for loading and unloading and a direct link to the West coast southy
  • Score: -3

2:54pm Sat 4 Jan 14

southy says...

forest hump wrote:
southy wrote:
southy wrote:
Marco polo is not the longest container ship, the 4 longest container ships do not call into Southampton apart from maybe call by if the weather is favourable.
Marco Polo is 396 meters from bow to stern, with a 54 meter beam.
Mc-Kinney, Majestic, Mary and Marie are 398 meters bow to stern and a beam of 58.
Emma, Estelle, Eleonora,
Emma, Estelle, Eleonora, Evelyn, Ebba, Elly, Edith and Eugen are also longer with a length of 397.7 meters and 56.4 beam and they too do not call into Southampton.
Note on the Emma she still is the longest ship at the water line / loading line
Mr Pedant, my dad is bigger than yours
You saying you don't get it, but it remains a fact that the longest ships do not call into Southampton apart from the one off visit calling if the weather is ok to allow them to do so
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Marco polo is not the longest container ship, the 4 longest container ships do not call into Southampton apart from maybe call by if the weather is favourable. Marco Polo is 396 meters from bow to stern, with a 54 meter beam. Mc-Kinney, Majestic, Mary and Marie are 398 meters bow to stern and a beam of 58. Emma, Estelle, Eleonora,[/p][/quote]Emma, Estelle, Eleonora, Evelyn, Ebba, Elly, Edith and Eugen are also longer with a length of 397.7 meters and 56.4 beam and they too do not call into Southampton. Note on the Emma she still is the longest ship at the water line / loading line[/p][/quote]Mr Pedant, my dad is bigger than yours[/p][/quote]You saying you don't get it, but it remains a fact that the longest ships do not call into Southampton apart from the one off visit calling if the weather is ok to allow them to do so southy
  • Score: -3

3:19pm Sat 4 Jan 14

03alpe01 says...

Well of course it will. Big businesses ALWAYS win.
Well of course it will. Big businesses ALWAYS win. 03alpe01
  • Score: -5

3:23pm Sat 4 Jan 14

forest hump says...

southy wrote:
forest hump wrote:
southy wrote:
southy wrote:
Marco polo is not the longest container ship, the 4 longest container ships do not call into Southampton apart from maybe call by if the weather is favourable.
Marco Polo is 396 meters from bow to stern, with a 54 meter beam.
Mc-Kinney, Majestic, Mary and Marie are 398 meters bow to stern and a beam of 58.
Emma, Estelle, Eleonora,
Emma, Estelle, Eleonora, Evelyn, Ebba, Elly, Edith and Eugen are also longer with a length of 397.7 meters and 56.4 beam and they too do not call into Southampton.
Note on the Emma she still is the longest ship at the water line / loading line
Mr Pedant, my dad is bigger than yours
You saying you don't get it, but it remains a fact that the longest ships do not call into Southampton apart from the one off visit calling if the weather is ok to allow them to do so
How wrong you are! I do get it. The point I am making?.....what difference is an extra six feet when the vessel is already 1300 feet long?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Marco polo is not the longest container ship, the 4 longest container ships do not call into Southampton apart from maybe call by if the weather is favourable. Marco Polo is 396 meters from bow to stern, with a 54 meter beam. Mc-Kinney, Majestic, Mary and Marie are 398 meters bow to stern and a beam of 58. Emma, Estelle, Eleonora,[/p][/quote]Emma, Estelle, Eleonora, Evelyn, Ebba, Elly, Edith and Eugen are also longer with a length of 397.7 meters and 56.4 beam and they too do not call into Southampton. Note on the Emma she still is the longest ship at the water line / loading line[/p][/quote]Mr Pedant, my dad is bigger than yours[/p][/quote]You saying you don't get it, but it remains a fact that the longest ships do not call into Southampton apart from the one off visit calling if the weather is ok to allow them to do so[/p][/quote]How wrong you are! I do get it. The point I am making?.....what difference is an extra six feet when the vessel is already 1300 feet long? forest hump
  • Score: 0

3:39pm Sat 4 Jan 14

loosehead says...

So here we go again our resident wrong Socialist crazy history expert siding with Hythe Marina NIUMBY's?
What exactly was there before the marina was built & what would be there if the locals had objected to it?
Let's get it right the whole of the waterside was made up of small villages not what we now have & the places like Marchwood,Hythe etc which needs employment for it's residents but many who no longer work object to the creation of jobs why?
Where in this world would there be objections to the creation of jobs as there is here?
Liverpool want's bigger container & cruise ships so has gotten a grant to dredge the Mersey & build new facilities do you hear the locals objecting to this job creation?
This C++p about "this is the waterside/New Forest not Southampton" as a reason not to build docks on Dibden(not a bay anymore) & now some lame arse excuse to stop a Port being used for port activities is unbelievable,
so lets shut our docks send all shipping to Liverpool make Southy & the NIMBY's happy but then see the massive job losses to the whole area not just the City Of Southampton & then let's see who's cheering(Liverpool?)
So here we go again our resident wrong Socialist crazy history expert siding with Hythe Marina NIUMBY's? What exactly was there before the marina was built & what would be there if the locals had objected to it? Let's get it right the whole of the waterside was made up of small villages not what we now have & the places like Marchwood,Hythe etc which needs employment for it's residents but many who no longer work object to the creation of jobs why? Where in this world would there be objections to the creation of jobs as there is here? Liverpool want's bigger container & cruise ships so has gotten a grant to dredge the Mersey & build new facilities do you hear the locals objecting to this job creation? This C++p about "this is the waterside/New Forest not Southampton" as a reason not to build docks on Dibden(not a bay anymore) & now some lame arse excuse to stop a Port being used for port activities is unbelievable, so lets shut our docks send all shipping to Liverpool make Southy & the NIMBY's happy but then see the massive job losses to the whole area not just the City Of Southampton & then let's see who's cheering(Liverpool?) loosehead
  • Score: -5

3:56pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Nothing else on that side bar Fawley a simple solution to the traffic problem build a Multi use Rail and Road Bridge it aint Rocket Science then you will avoid the Bottle Neck at Totton!
Nothing else on that side bar Fawley a simple solution to the traffic problem build a Multi use Rail and Road Bridge it aint Rocket Science then you will avoid the Bottle Neck at Totton! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: 3

5:11pm Sat 4 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
Nothing else on that side bar Fawley a simple solution to the traffic problem build a Multi use Rail and Road Bridge it aint Rocket Science then you will avoid the Bottle Neck at Totton!
they already said all cargo from either Dibden or the Military Port could go around by rail to Southampton & then loaded on Lorries & anything by train can be loaded at those two locations so the excuse of more traffic is absolute bull
[quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: Nothing else on that side bar Fawley a simple solution to the traffic problem build a Multi use Rail and Road Bridge it aint Rocket Science then you will avoid the Bottle Neck at Totton![/p][/quote]they already said all cargo from either Dibden or the Military Port could go around by rail to Southampton & then loaded on Lorries & anything by train can be loaded at those two locations so the excuse of more traffic is absolute bull loosehead
  • Score: 1

6:15pm Sat 4 Jan 14

good-gosh says...

When the port expansion becomes a national requirement, it will be built, along with all the necessary transport links. Until then, locals are free to oppose it.
When the port expansion becomes a national requirement, it will be built, along with all the necessary transport links. Until then, locals are free to oppose it. good-gosh
  • Score: 0

7:57pm Sat 4 Jan 14

The Wickham Man says...

AD1234 wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
Let's hope the next Planning Inspector isn't bought off by a couple of residents of Hythe Marina Village.
Oh dear. Another bitter and envious little Socialist who didn't work hard enough at school.

Me? Mum was a cleaner; Dad a milkman. Council estate upbringing and a Sec Mod 'education'. But I worked bl@@dy hard, and now in my later years I live in Hythe Marina..

Don't be bitter, mate - work harder.
I live in better and more salubrious surroundings than you "comrade" and your ridiculous assumptions are baseless as well as irrelevant. Hythe Marina Village residents as one pretended they knew nothing about the port proposals when it was common knowledge on Waterside. Were you one of them? You may have fooled a gullible and partial inspector once but lightrning wouldn't happen twice. You might want to up your game a little - you'll need to.
[quote][p][bold]AD1234[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: Let's hope the next Planning Inspector isn't bought off by a couple of residents of Hythe Marina Village.[/p][/quote]Oh dear. Another bitter and envious little Socialist who didn't work hard enough at school. Me? Mum was a cleaner; Dad a milkman. Council estate upbringing and a Sec Mod 'education'. But I worked bl@@dy hard, and now in my later years I live in Hythe Marina.. Don't be bitter, mate - work harder.[/p][/quote]I live in better and more salubrious surroundings than you "comrade" and your ridiculous assumptions are baseless as well as irrelevant. Hythe Marina Village residents as one pretended they knew nothing about the port proposals when it was common knowledge on Waterside. Were you one of them? You may have fooled a gullible and partial inspector once but lightrning wouldn't happen twice. You might want to up your game a little - you'll need to. The Wickham Man
  • Score: -3

8:04pm Sat 4 Jan 14

phil maccavity says...

southy wrote:
Every car transporter that calls into Southampton you will see in Avonmouth and Portbury docks also and a number that don't call into Southampton.
The fruit terminal that is used now is the old one, they are talking about new sheds with each having there own chiller up on the Severn beach quay, the old oil quay along Severn Beach is to be closed down and moved up river. The Container port that is going to be built on the Severn is on hold while they look at a new location north of the Severn Bridge.
Shell heaven only got one quay wall working at the moment the rest is still in process, bit like how they started here in Southampton Container port first you have berth 201 and 202 only before 203 came into operation, but shell heaven when they have finished I believe there will be more quay mooring wall, a much larger container storage area, a lot more rail tracks for loading and unloading and a direct link to the West coast
More dodgy info
Big Car carriers will only call Portbury because the lock is big enough
They are too large to enter Avonmouth
Also it is completely untrue that 'every' car transporter vessel calling in Southampton calls in Bristol
Just look at the relative port information sites
Also there is only one Fruit Terminal in Bristol and this is fairly new
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Every car transporter that calls into Southampton you will see in Avonmouth and Portbury docks also and a number that don't call into Southampton. The fruit terminal that is used now is the old one, they are talking about new sheds with each having there own chiller up on the Severn beach quay, the old oil quay along Severn Beach is to be closed down and moved up river. The Container port that is going to be built on the Severn is on hold while they look at a new location north of the Severn Bridge. Shell heaven only got one quay wall working at the moment the rest is still in process, bit like how they started here in Southampton Container port first you have berth 201 and 202 only before 203 came into operation, but shell heaven when they have finished I believe there will be more quay mooring wall, a much larger container storage area, a lot more rail tracks for loading and unloading and a direct link to the West coast[/p][/quote]More dodgy info Big Car carriers will only call Portbury because the lock is big enough They are too large to enter Avonmouth Also it is completely untrue that 'every' car transporter vessel calling in Southampton calls in Bristol Just look at the relative port information sites Also there is only one Fruit Terminal in Bristol and this is fairly new phil maccavity
  • Score: 2

8:10am Sun 5 Jan 14

skeptik says...

Time marches on - one day we will look out of the window - and there it will be.
Time marches on - one day we will look out of the window - and there it will be. skeptik
  • Score: 2

11:37am Sun 5 Jan 14

southy says...

forest hump wrote:
southy wrote:
forest hump wrote:
southy wrote:
southy wrote:
Marco polo is not the longest container ship, the 4 longest container ships do not call into Southampton apart from maybe call by if the weather is favourable.
Marco Polo is 396 meters from bow to stern, with a 54 meter beam.
Mc-Kinney, Majestic, Mary and Marie are 398 meters bow to stern and a beam of 58.
Emma, Estelle, Eleonora,
Emma, Estelle, Eleonora, Evelyn, Ebba, Elly, Edith and Eugen are also longer with a length of 397.7 meters and 56.4 beam and they too do not call into Southampton.
Note on the Emma she still is the longest ship at the water line / loading line
Mr Pedant, my dad is bigger than yours
You saying you don't get it, but it remains a fact that the longest ships do not call into Southampton apart from the one off visit calling if the weather is ok to allow them to do so
How wrong you are! I do get it. The point I am making?.....what difference is an extra six feet when the vessel is already 1300 feet long?
I can now see your lack of under standing on matters of marine forest hump.

If you was out in open deep sea then 6 foot would not matter, but your talking about a man made narrow channel where even 1 inch would matter to ship size.
The added problem to container ships is all those containers stack above the deck they will act like a sail in the wind and when ships come up the River Test Southampton Waters is that we have a prevailing cross winds that will push a container ship towards the beach, We all ready had container ships grounded because of the cross wind, I remember 1 container ship getting grounded on Calshot spit because of the wind push it and that was with tugs and a grounded ship is lost money.
Phil was right in pointing how many days was lost due to the wind stoppages, BUT Phil forgot to say those days that was lost due to the wind in Felixstowe the Ship was tied up along side dock wall, where in Southampton case we lose working time due the ship not being able to enter Southampton Waters (and don't get counted as days lost) let alone getting moored on the dock wall. and the Marco Polo came in on near perfect weather and tide conditions, with a 14.6 draft she can only enter port on mid range or higher spring tides here in Southampton, the Marco Polo is due in Southampton mid range tides on the 8th, if she missing this day then she will pass by.
A boat/ship do not react in the same way as a car, it takes longer to stop and to turn a ship/boat than a car and once the wind gets hold its harder to bring it back on course, reaction time between ship steerage and helmsman is a second or two where as in a car its a split of a second.

I give you an experiment to try for your self and you will see how much the size difference matters no matter how small that size is, Do this on your own get your self a Canadian canoe go canoeing on a day when there is strong cross wind on the river and you will see what it takes to control that canoe in a hard cross wind on your own, it will change your mind on what a small difference in size can make, remember the longer the ship the less room you have for steerage
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Marco polo is not the longest container ship, the 4 longest container ships do not call into Southampton apart from maybe call by if the weather is favourable. Marco Polo is 396 meters from bow to stern, with a 54 meter beam. Mc-Kinney, Majestic, Mary and Marie are 398 meters bow to stern and a beam of 58. Emma, Estelle, Eleonora,[/p][/quote]Emma, Estelle, Eleonora, Evelyn, Ebba, Elly, Edith and Eugen are also longer with a length of 397.7 meters and 56.4 beam and they too do not call into Southampton. Note on the Emma she still is the longest ship at the water line / loading line[/p][/quote]Mr Pedant, my dad is bigger than yours[/p][/quote]You saying you don't get it, but it remains a fact that the longest ships do not call into Southampton apart from the one off visit calling if the weather is ok to allow them to do so[/p][/quote]How wrong you are! I do get it. The point I am making?.....what difference is an extra six feet when the vessel is already 1300 feet long?[/p][/quote]I can now see your lack of under standing on matters of marine forest hump. If you was out in open deep sea then 6 foot would not matter, but your talking about a man made narrow channel where even 1 inch would matter to ship size. The added problem to container ships is all those containers stack above the deck they will act like a sail in the wind and when ships come up the River Test Southampton Waters is that we have a prevailing cross winds that will push a container ship towards the beach, We all ready had container ships grounded because of the cross wind, I remember 1 container ship getting grounded on Calshot spit because of the wind push it and that was with tugs and a grounded ship is lost money. Phil was right in pointing how many days was lost due to the wind stoppages, BUT Phil forgot to say those days that was lost due to the wind in Felixstowe the Ship was tied up along side dock wall, where in Southampton case we lose working time due the ship not being able to enter Southampton Waters (and don't get counted as days lost) let alone getting moored on the dock wall. and the Marco Polo came in on near perfect weather and tide conditions, with a 14.6 draft she can only enter port on mid range or higher spring tides here in Southampton, the Marco Polo is due in Southampton mid range tides on the 8th, if she missing this day then she will pass by. A boat/ship do not react in the same way as a car, it takes longer to stop and to turn a ship/boat than a car and once the wind gets hold its harder to bring it back on course, reaction time between ship steerage and helmsman is a second or two where as in a car its a split of a second. I give you an experiment to try for your self and you will see how much the size difference matters no matter how small that size is, Do this on your own get your self a Canadian canoe go canoeing on a day when there is strong cross wind on the river and you will see what it takes to control that canoe in a hard cross wind on your own, it will change your mind on what a small difference in size can make, remember the longer the ship the less room you have for steerage southy
  • Score: -2

11:54am Sun 5 Jan 14

southy says...

phil maccavity wrote:
southy wrote:
Every car transporter that calls into Southampton you will see in Avonmouth and Portbury docks also and a number that don't call into Southampton.
The fruit terminal that is used now is the old one, they are talking about new sheds with each having there own chiller up on the Severn beach quay, the old oil quay along Severn Beach is to be closed down and moved up river. The Container port that is going to be built on the Severn is on hold while they look at a new location north of the Severn Bridge.
Shell heaven only got one quay wall working at the moment the rest is still in process, bit like how they started here in Southampton Container port first you have berth 201 and 202 only before 203 came into operation, but shell heaven when they have finished I believe there will be more quay mooring wall, a much larger container storage area, a lot more rail tracks for loading and unloading and a direct link to the West coast
More dodgy info
Big Car carriers will only call Portbury because the lock is big enough
They are too large to enter Avonmouth
Also it is completely untrue that 'every' car transporter vessel calling in Southampton calls in Bristol
Just look at the relative port information sites
Also there is only one Fruit Terminal in Bristol and this is fairly new
Its the old sheds that they are using they are not new just refurbish sheds (its just an newish order) the plan is to build brand new up along Severn Beach dock wall at the moment this area as oil storage tanks standing there.
No its fact that every car transporter that calls into Southampton will call in to the Bristol Docks, the only thing that will stop a ship entering inside Avonmouth dock if the ship is to wide to pass though the locks, a long ship they will bring in on the top or bottom of the tide and have both sets locks open, if they can't get in because they are to wide there are open quay mooring walls in the River Severn at Avonmouth and Portbury where the ship do not pass though locks.
You know there was a time when ships moored in Southampton docks had to pass though locks
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Every car transporter that calls into Southampton you will see in Avonmouth and Portbury docks also and a number that don't call into Southampton. The fruit terminal that is used now is the old one, they are talking about new sheds with each having there own chiller up on the Severn beach quay, the old oil quay along Severn Beach is to be closed down and moved up river. The Container port that is going to be built on the Severn is on hold while they look at a new location north of the Severn Bridge. Shell heaven only got one quay wall working at the moment the rest is still in process, bit like how they started here in Southampton Container port first you have berth 201 and 202 only before 203 came into operation, but shell heaven when they have finished I believe there will be more quay mooring wall, a much larger container storage area, a lot more rail tracks for loading and unloading and a direct link to the West coast[/p][/quote]More dodgy info Big Car carriers will only call Portbury because the lock is big enough They are too large to enter Avonmouth Also it is completely untrue that 'every' car transporter vessel calling in Southampton calls in Bristol Just look at the relative port information sites Also there is only one Fruit Terminal in Bristol and this is fairly new[/p][/quote]Its the old sheds that they are using they are not new just refurbish sheds (its just an newish order) the plan is to build brand new up along Severn Beach dock wall at the moment this area as oil storage tanks standing there. No its fact that every car transporter that calls into Southampton will call in to the Bristol Docks, the only thing that will stop a ship entering inside Avonmouth dock if the ship is to wide to pass though the locks, a long ship they will bring in on the top or bottom of the tide and have both sets locks open, if they can't get in because they are to wide there are open quay mooring walls in the River Severn at Avonmouth and Portbury where the ship do not pass though locks. You know there was a time when ships moored in Southampton docks had to pass though locks southy
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1:49pm Sun 5 Jan 14

phil maccavity says...

southy wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
southy wrote:
Every car transporter that calls into Southampton you will see in Avonmouth and Portbury docks also and a number that don't call into Southampton.
The fruit terminal that is used now is the old one, they are talking about new sheds with each having there own chiller up on the Severn beach quay, the old oil quay along Severn Beach is to be closed down and moved up river. The Container port that is going to be built on the Severn is on hold while they look at a new location north of the Severn Bridge.
Shell heaven only got one quay wall working at the moment the rest is still in process, bit like how they started here in Southampton Container port first you have berth 201 and 202 only before 203 came into operation, but shell heaven when they have finished I believe there will be more quay mooring wall, a much larger container storage area, a lot more rail tracks for loading and unloading and a direct link to the West coast
More dodgy info
Big Car carriers will only call Portbury because the lock is big enough
They are too large to enter Avonmouth
Also it is completely untrue that 'every' car transporter vessel calling in Southampton calls in Bristol
Just look at the relative port information sites
Also there is only one Fruit Terminal in Bristol and this is fairly new
Its the old sheds that they are using they are not new just refurbish sheds (its just an newish order) the plan is to build brand new up along Severn Beach dock wall at the moment this area as oil storage tanks standing there.
No its fact that every car transporter that calls into Southampton will call in to the Bristol Docks, the only thing that will stop a ship entering inside Avonmouth dock if the ship is to wide to pass though the locks, a long ship they will bring in on the top or bottom of the tide and have both sets locks open, if they can't get in because they are to wide there are open quay mooring walls in the River Severn at Avonmouth and Portbury where the ship do not pass though locks.
You know there was a time when ships moored in Southampton docks had to pass though locks
Southy

You say..'it is a fact that every car transporter that calls Southampton will call in Bristol docks..'
I think you have a very strange interpretation of the word 'fact'
If you look at the relative Southampton and Bristol Port shipping lists there are not many car transporter ships which show at both ports.
Also the main car shipping line out of Southampton is Wallenius Wilhelmsen. Have a look at their web site which shows which UK ports are served for their South African, Oceania, North American and Asian services.
Southampton is their main port of call.
Bristol is not even mentioned
And as for the comment that ships too wide to enter the lock at Portbury can moor at open berths outside the lock system where they would be subject to the very wide Severn tidal range is about as believable as the comment you once made that it is possible to walk across Southampton water at low tide!!!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Every car transporter that calls into Southampton you will see in Avonmouth and Portbury docks also and a number that don't call into Southampton. The fruit terminal that is used now is the old one, they are talking about new sheds with each having there own chiller up on the Severn beach quay, the old oil quay along Severn Beach is to be closed down and moved up river. The Container port that is going to be built on the Severn is on hold while they look at a new location north of the Severn Bridge. Shell heaven only got one quay wall working at the moment the rest is still in process, bit like how they started here in Southampton Container port first you have berth 201 and 202 only before 203 came into operation, but shell heaven when they have finished I believe there will be more quay mooring wall, a much larger container storage area, a lot more rail tracks for loading and unloading and a direct link to the West coast[/p][/quote]More dodgy info Big Car carriers will only call Portbury because the lock is big enough They are too large to enter Avonmouth Also it is completely untrue that 'every' car transporter vessel calling in Southampton calls in Bristol Just look at the relative port information sites Also there is only one Fruit Terminal in Bristol and this is fairly new[/p][/quote]Its the old sheds that they are using they are not new just refurbish sheds (its just an newish order) the plan is to build brand new up along Severn Beach dock wall at the moment this area as oil storage tanks standing there. No its fact that every car transporter that calls into Southampton will call in to the Bristol Docks, the only thing that will stop a ship entering inside Avonmouth dock if the ship is to wide to pass though the locks, a long ship they will bring in on the top or bottom of the tide and have both sets locks open, if they can't get in because they are to wide there are open quay mooring walls in the River Severn at Avonmouth and Portbury where the ship do not pass though locks. You know there was a time when ships moored in Southampton docks had to pass though locks[/p][/quote]Southy You say..'it is a fact that every car transporter that calls Southampton will call in Bristol docks..' I think you have a very strange interpretation of the word 'fact' If you look at the relative Southampton and Bristol Port shipping lists there are not many car transporter ships which show at both ports. Also the main car shipping line out of Southampton is Wallenius Wilhelmsen. Have a look at their web site which shows which UK ports are served for their South African, Oceania, North American and Asian services. Southampton is their main port of call. Bristol is not even mentioned And as for the comment that ships too wide to enter the lock at Portbury can moor at open berths outside the lock system where they would be subject to the very wide Severn tidal range is about as believable as the comment you once made that it is possible to walk across Southampton water at low tide!!! phil maccavity
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2:37pm Sun 5 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Using my name (Wayne Hobson) I wrote a letter outlining what the effects on the south of Hampshire if this city loses it's Cruise & Container ships & the docks shut (what other ships?).
It would see companies that are based in this area who use the docks disappear to the nearest working docks this wouldn't just be in this city it would effect the waterside.Portsmouth
,Winchester & many towns.
So why the hell can't the people of Hythe Marina & that idiot Cllr Harrison see this?
don't they want employment for people? don't they care ?
Either this docks (Southampton) expands or it dies & so do thousands of jobs.
I didn't want to lose Millbrook Point nor did the hundreds of households who went there in the summer, Never wanted to lose the American Dump/Western Shore but to bring work to the area this city needed new roads hence the loss of the shore & to go with the times we needed a container port hence the loss of Millbrook Point.
WE the residents of this city have given much to keep work & to keep the docks.
Now a Port is being looked at to be bought to carry on being a Port & there's protestors against it?
A Bay that's no longer a bay but was filled in with the sole purpose of being a part of the Docks was stopped & by who? people who now live in reclaimed land at Hythe Marina?
Did the people of Millbrook & Freemantle give up so much for nothing?
Using my name (Wayne Hobson) I wrote a letter outlining what the effects on the south of Hampshire if this city loses it's Cruise & Container ships & the docks shut (what other ships?). It would see companies that are based in this area who use the docks disappear to the nearest working docks this wouldn't just be in this city it would effect the waterside.Portsmouth ,Winchester & many towns. So why the hell can't the people of Hythe Marina & that idiot Cllr Harrison see this? don't they want employment for people? don't they care ? Either this docks (Southampton) expands or it dies & so do thousands of jobs. I didn't want to lose Millbrook Point nor did the hundreds of households who went there in the summer, Never wanted to lose the American Dump/Western Shore but to bring work to the area this city needed new roads hence the loss of the shore & to go with the times we needed a container port hence the loss of Millbrook Point. WE the residents of this city have given much to keep work & to keep the docks. Now a Port is being looked at to be bought to carry on being a Port & there's protestors against it? A Bay that's no longer a bay but was filled in with the sole purpose of being a part of the Docks was stopped & by who? people who now live in reclaimed land at Hythe Marina? Did the people of Millbrook & Freemantle give up so much for nothing? loosehead
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10:33am Mon 6 Jan 14

The Wickham Man says...

southy wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Great news if it happens, more jobs for Southampton, lets hope so.
If it happens then it will be separate from Southampton, it will not mean extra jobs as the people who will work on site are all ready employed with the docks and it be a case of if and when needed jobs.

Dibden bay would not be down to us to decide, this concerns the people who live in the area and not us, as for the reclaim land it self a Quay wall for the loading and unloading ships would not be allowed under the original agreement, this land was or is subject to dock related work and not for dock work, the idea was to use the land as laying down area for ship repairs and building ships and other marine vessels, like the oil rig that was built on the laying down area that use to be between Millbrook Point road and Dry Dock 7 was to be moved over to Dibden Bay reclaim land, but this type of work as dry up.
This country do not need any more docks, what is needed is better use of what docks we have and Southampton needs to specialise and choose which type of dock work it want to get into and not try and hog them all, it will be there downfall sooner or later and they will end up losing the lot to another port.
And remember ABPj as no loyalty,s to any Town or City it can up root and go to any other ABPj port in the UK at any time it choose to
SOuthy if you checked your facts properly instead of just believing what equally ignorant nobodies tell you you'd stop making yourself look like such a fool. In your eyes the port should just sit back and wait for its business to disapear - in fact the opposite is happening through active and aggresive marketing of new and better facilities including transport infrastructure - check here http://www.lloydsloa
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That is from Lloyd's List, not gossip from some unemployed rigger down the Trades Club. You still don't seem to understand the first thing about how primary industries such as a port support thousands more jobs indirectly. You told us the Thorn Channel was too shallow for post Panamax ships - wrong. You told us it is too windy to take the largest ships - wrong -(have you compared it to the channel into Antwerp?) And you have continuously stated error after error over Portbury. Don't you hear the laughter Pete?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Great news if it happens, more jobs for Southampton, lets hope so.[/p][/quote]If it happens then it will be separate from Southampton, it will not mean extra jobs as the people who will work on site are all ready employed with the docks and it be a case of if and when needed jobs. Dibden bay would not be down to us to decide, this concerns the people who live in the area and not us, as for the reclaim land it self a Quay wall for the loading and unloading ships would not be allowed under the original agreement, this land was or is subject to dock related work and not for dock work, the idea was to use the land as laying down area for ship repairs and building ships and other marine vessels, like the oil rig that was built on the laying down area that use to be between Millbrook Point road and Dry Dock 7 was to be moved over to Dibden Bay reclaim land, but this type of work as dry up. This country do not need any more docks, what is needed is better use of what docks we have and Southampton needs to specialise and choose which type of dock work it want to get into and not try and hog them all, it will be there downfall sooner or later and they will end up losing the lot to another port. And remember ABPj as no loyalty,s to any Town or City it can up root and go to any other ABPj port in the UK at any time it choose to[/p][/quote]SOuthy if you checked your facts properly instead of just believing what equally ignorant nobodies tell you you'd stop making yourself look like such a fool. In your eyes the port should just sit back and wait for its business to disapear - in fact the opposite is happening through active and aggresive marketing of new and better facilities including transport infrastructure - check here http://www.lloydsloa dinglist.com/freight -directory/news/tham esport-loses-three-d eepsea-services/2001 8065386.htm?source=e zine&utm_source=Lloy d%27s+Loading+List+D aily+News+Bulletin&u tm_campaign=4c6e1f88 fb-LLL_Tues_13_Aug8_ 13_2013&utm_medium=e mail&utm_term=0_1a5c 244239-4c6e1f88fb-25 6676829#.UsqDI7S8dcp That is from Lloyd's List, not gossip from some unemployed rigger down the Trades Club. You still don't seem to understand the first thing about how primary industries such as a port support thousands more jobs indirectly. You told us the Thorn Channel was too shallow for post Panamax ships - wrong. You told us it is too windy to take the largest ships - wrong -(have you compared it to the channel into Antwerp?) And you have continuously stated error after error over Portbury. Don't you hear the laughter Pete? The Wickham Man
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