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Southampton traffic at a standstill once again

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Dan Kerins, Digital Editor

Traffic jams clogging city centre

  • Five cruise ships alongside today
  • Many major routes into city centre at a standstill for hours
  • Traffic began easing after 4pm
  • Took some drivers hours to travel short distances in city centre

  • Comments


    allsaintsnocurves 2:15pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    To be fair there are road works down there as they are looking to improve this and all the way along the waterfront but building more down at West Quay and Ocean Village is not going to help not to mention Mayflower Park!

    Score: 6
    SaintAsh1964 2:32pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    Biggest problem is dumb drivers sitting halfway across any junction and being stuck there when the lights change, Lorry/Coach/Bus/whit
    e van man!

    Score: 7
    Costa Baz 2:53pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    I think they should move the docks to the top end of the Avenue.
    That would put a stop to this problem.

    There might be a flaw in this plan, but darned if I can see it;0)

    Score: 15
    [deleted] 3:20pm Fri 10 Jan 14
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    Score: 0
    mickey01 3:22pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    more down to the greedy council letting these large stores open in an area where the roadworks cannot cope with the traffic it brings. it was bad enough when the i.o.w ferry came in in the summer for years and you would have thought that any sane person would realise what would happpen in the future

    Score: 9
    Swissowned 3:41pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    I've lived in this city for over 15 years now, initially arriving as a student and then staying here through employment. The traffic problems have just got worse and worse in that time. Thankfully I cycle most days.

    There has been some minor changes in that time to improve things but on the whole things have got worse. The increase in the number of cars on the roads now just doesn't help but the way I see it, one of the big problems is the number of traffic lights in the city. How can the city flow freely with so many? The answer to that is it can't, hence why some of them are having to be manually operated today!

    Bad planning with things like IKEA in the city centre doesn't help! Goodness knows why anyone thought that was a good idea when the majority of IKEA customers need some form of transport for the flat packed goods they purchase!

    Perhaps it's time to consider limiting the number of drivers on the roads. Maybe limiting the number of licenses issued per year? Or maybe a driving ban means a ban for life or having to join a list to wait to retake a test with a small quota for how many can be earned back per year?

    Score: 2
    southy 3:52pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    Costa Baz wrote…


    I think they should move the docks to the top end of the Avenue.
    That would put a stop to this problem.

    There might be a flaw in this plan, but darned if I can see it;0)

    Well it would be ready for the raise in so called sea levels

    Score: -3
    southy 3:55pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    This traffic que reminds me when millibrook road was a mono road, when art rush hour the traffic use to stem right across the city and all the way to totton by-pass where a traffic cop use to direct the traffic going into totton or to the by-pass

    Score: -7
    bigfella777 3:57pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    It never used to be like that when you could drive all the way down Western Esplanade past Dimplex and the swimming baths. There should be a tunnel underneath West quay.

    Score: 5
    zuki12 3:59pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    Heavy traffic due to five criuse ships in dock, Did they come by road then

    Score: 1
    Nod 4:05pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    I was Driving my wife to work just before 2.00 and we were stuck in the left hand lane of Eastbound Mountbatten Way simply because some selfish driver attempted to jump the queue and then push into the middle lane just before the traffic lights onto West Quay Road. Naturally, as the traffic wasn't moving they couldn't barge in. They felt the need to wait there for FIFTEEN minutes needlessly holding up the entire lane behind them.

    Score: 2
    OSPREYSAINT 4:26pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    I went along to Mayflower Park (on foot) around 13:00 traffic going west bound was flowing freely, traffic going east passed the Royal Pier was at a stand and didn't actually move for a long, long time. Seems to me they need to open up some of the cul de sacs which force everything into the same road, to give alternative routes to exit the City.

    Score: 0
    R_Craw 4:31pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    The thing is these roadworks have been going on for several weeks, and the council hasn't done anything to prevent any further congestion. This was the third time it got this bad, surely they should have implemented a plan to sort this out. Clearly they don't have a plan. But they were very quick to introduce the after 6 o'clock parking charges.
    I walked by Dock Gate 4 today just after 10 o'clock, and I couldn't see one single person doing any kind of work!

    Perhaps it's time Ms Rayment thinks about whether she's suitable for the job rather than blaming other agencies and companies for the massive traffic jams.

    Score: 9
    Dave Juson 4:41pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    The obvious solution is to close the docks and flatten and tarmac the entire town south of Cumberland Place and Brunswick Place and East of Herbert Walker Avenue as far as the Itchen. Then then would be plenty of room for all the cars and absolturly no reason for them to come to Southampton, other than there would be no congestion and no parking problems.
    It's a matter of priorities. What is more important: a satisfactory environment for cars, or one for people? You can't have both.
    The Echo voted by moving to Redbridge.

    Score: -3
    Ciaran 4:47pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    With days like today, we have neither a satisfactory environment for cars, or one for people.

    Heaven forbid people complain about a farcical situation, but luckily you're quite happy to make glib comments.

    I don't see what the Echo has to do with any of this, mind you.

    Score: 2
    ToastyTea 4:56pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    park and ride ?

    Score: 4
    saintinpattaya 4:57pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    He he. Useless councillors.

    Score: 6
    Smartiepants 5:10pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    Words, Ms Rayment, You're good at that but hopeless at putting anything into action. Why don't you do all the people in Southampton a favour and retire?

    Score: 9
    Mary80 5:17pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    Perhaps having FIVE cruise liners dock at once isn't helping the problem, with the road works it just creates way more traffic the area cannot handle

    Score: 1
    03alpe01 5:18pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    You do realise that the Council don't actually give a flying toss about this right? As long as they get money and West Quay is extended, traffic never will be an issue.

    Score: 6
    Linesman 5:27pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    It is always nice to have the benefits of being the Cruise Capital being reported, otherwise there may be complaints.

    Score: -2
    Good Looking Man About Town. 5:35pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    How can a city that has docks for years be so rubbish at servicing them. What a great impression it gives to visitors to the city bet they cant wait to sail away or get home. With Liverpool breathing down the cities necks in terms of ports we are not helping ourselves.

    Score: 7
    phil maccavity 5:39pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    First of all commiserations for all those who were stuck in traffic today.
    Unfortunately I was one of them and, like plenty of others, I was the only one in the car.
    In my experience the City's road system has done pretty well to accommodate increased traffic bearing in mind West Quay, Ikea, increased Cruise Ships, Boat Show, St Mary's stadium etc.
    However the two sets of simultaneous road works have caused considerable short term pain for, hopefully. long term gain.
    As someone who often has to travel throughout the UK by road, it seemed that traffic levels had decreased quite a bit after 2009.
    However in the last 6 months or so traffic levels everywhere appear to have shot up. Is this due to the economic recovery or reduction and cost of public transport?
    Still putting things in perspective I remember it taking ages to get home to Bitterne years ago on the bus so nothing changes except our aspirations.

    Score: -5
    saintslad 5:46pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    I know,..... why don't they get rid of the traffic lights at the end of the bridge and put in a roundabout to keep the traffic flowing ....divert the cycle lanes left and under the bridge it will also save 1,7 million ! What do you say Mrs Rayment??????

    Score: 1
    Graeme Harrison 5:55pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    If only Southampton had an ice-rink ...

    Score: 2
    03alpe01 6:01pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    Graeme Harrison wrote…


    If only Southampton had an ice-rink ...

    Oh dear. Someone just had to have a pop didn't they!

    Score: -1
    Fatty x Ford Worker 6:04pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    Port of Southampton cloggers you are having a laugh aint you!

    Score: -2
    focus19 6:05pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    The City cant cope Plain and Simple .... The council has cut Public Transport, There are hardly any bus routes across the city anymore only ''Preferred routes '' that make money for the profit hungry Bus Companies First No.7 and Bluestar 18 run around in packs Half empty whilst other areas suffer with lack of bus service. No wonder why People use there cars which now seems to be choking OUR city. Take a good look at A 1970'S Bus Route map and a route map for today. The council need to invest in bus Routes across the cit.y USE parking fines and other road offence fines to pay for public transport like other city's , STOP silly dangerous road scheme e.g widening pavements as in Shirley and London Road. NOT ALL Sotonian's are OBESE lol Use the cash for the transport infrastructure Turn off SOME traffic lights ease congestion and save electric. Come Daily Echo campaign for a better transport network for Southampton. Liverpool have a good case on winning the cruise ships on Transport infrastructure alone...

    Score: 6
    OSPREYSAINT 6:07pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    Sadly one of the Cruise ships was on it's last cruise, Saga Ruby, the former Caronia.

    Score: -1
    loosehead 6:10pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    I went to West Quay Argos this afternoon & found it okay until I got to the Coach Station most of the traffic wasn't heading for the New Docks but for the Itchen Bridge so exactly how longs the road works going to last?

    Score: 1
    Good Looking Man About Town. 6:14pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    With focus19 in getting rid of some of the traffic lights most could get replaced by roundabouts half the time you are sat there with nothing going on. In Hill Lane next to the old dell the lights were out for maintenance and flowed the best it ever has. Plus road works were you hardly see anyone working on it is a wind up.

    Score: 3
    UncleF 6:19pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    I like 'we had to change our baby's nappy in the car. We called the Police and traffic control, but they did nothing to help'....like what, exactly? Lift up some cars to make your journey quicker? Offer to take you to a dedicated roadside baby changing area? Close their eyes and wish really hard that you were where you needed to be?
    Chump.

    Score: 6
    focus19 6:34pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    loosehead wrote…


    I went to West Quay Argos this afternoon & found it okay until I got to the Coach Station most of the traffic wasn't heading for the New Docks but for the Itchen Bridge so exactly how longs the road works going to last?

    Due to finish sometime in 2015, if they ever get the **** into gear and stopped drinking Tea ! LOL

    Score: 3
    Positively4thStreet 6:42pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    Park and ride,re introduction of trams(or similar bus routes),re opening of Northam and Terminus stations,15 minute shuttle trains between all the suburban stations,and the formation of some kind of ring road,would all help ease congestion considerably in town,because unfortunately,Southa
    mpton can only be approached or exited from three directions(the forth being bounded by the sea)which means congestion relief for the city,will always be restricted anyway.

    Score: 3
    klappdrachen 6:52pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    I too get incredibly frustrated, grinding through road works on the bus, only to see NO work being done. Just lots of people in fluorescent waistcoats leaning on shovels or pneumatic drills!
    Whilst the boss (you know he's the boss because he can afford the sleeves to his fluorescent jacket) points at things self-importantly whilst holding a clipboard. If I had a fiver for every time I've seen that scene on Millbrook flyover I could BUY the bus!

    Score: 1
    Costa Baz 7:01pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    ToastyTea wrote…


    park and ride ?

    I've used Park and Ride, in Leicester, and it was simplicity itself.
    Not sure how well it would work in Southampton, as there seem to be so many bottleneck areas, where bus lanes disappear and the benefit of using the bus, disappears with it.

    What would be better is for the buses to come back under the control of the city, so they can be run for the people, making a modest profit, as a result of fairer fares, luring car users back onto them.
    The bus service in London wasn't privatised, and as a result it is possible, by using the Oyster Card, to make lengthy bus journeys for just £1.40. There is also a fixed limit on the card, so if you want to spend the day, just riding buses, it will never exceed the daily limit, something like £8.00, I think. Even without an Oyster Card, a journey will be a set price, such as £2.80, for going 1stop or to the end of it's journey.
    Privatisation has been the scourge of this nation, with billions of pounds of profits going into private pockets, with more money being lost owing to the tax avoidance schemes used by those companies, especially the utilities.

    Score: 4
    klappdrachen 7:12pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    Well said ToastyTea, you 've hit the bulls eye fair and square. It's not about service anymore, it's about pleasing shareholders.

    Score: 1
    Seedhouse the Unrepentant 8:07pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    Mary80 wrote…


    Perhaps having FIVE cruise liners dock at once isn't helping the problem, with the road works it just creates way more traffic the area cannot handle

    We're having a spat with Liverpool and the government about who gets the cruise ships. Do you think if we said 'FIVE is too many we can't cope' that it would help our cause? We might end up with ONE or NONE that way.

    Score: 0
    robj1969 8:23pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    Smartiepants wrote…


    Words, Ms Rayment, You're good at that but hopeless at putting anything into action. Why don't you do all the people in Southampton a favour and retire?

    just vote her out....less dignified!

    Score: 1
    loosehead 9:00pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    focus19 wrote…


    loosehead wrote…


    I went to West Quay Argos this afternoon & found it okay until I got to the Coach Station most of the traffic wasn't heading for the New Docks but for the Itchen Bridge so exactly how longs the road works going to last?
    Due to finish sometime in 2015, if they ever get the **** into gear and stopped drinking Tea ! LOL

    what! is this the work at the park?
    dig up some of the park lay new road block off another road takes that long?

    Score: 0
    loosehead 9:12pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    you all go on about park & ride i got a bus to Shirley from Upper brownhill/Romsey rd one way it cost £1.75 if I drove my car it would have been quicker & cheaper so how does P&R work?
    do you pay to get on the bus? or do you park up & get free transport?
    if it's free please put it next to me as I'll park my car & go for free if you have to pay full fare how many will be going by bus?
    I remember the roads through town(city centre) right down to the Northam bridge being chocker with cars all day yet it's relatively calm now so where have all the cars gone to?
    Itchen Bridge & Western esplanade maybe?
    I was a trainee accounts clerk in the docks with every berth filled still with only single lane roads into town we never had this problem so to even mention the cruise ships is a red herring & we should be looking at the real problem.
    My ex neighbour has just today come back from a cruise he got a taxi home it wanted to go through town & said it would take ages my friend said "Why?" driver " because of the ships" friend " why not drive down to dock gate twenty?" driver was shocked but went there & was held up for a while because of a train.
    but why aren't all taxi's & all other cruise ship traffic not taking this option if they can go that way?

    Score: 1
    Mary80 9:25pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…


    Mary80 wrote…


    Perhaps having FIVE cruise liners dock at once isn't helping the problem, with the road works it just creates way more traffic the area cannot handle
    We're having a spat with Liverpool and the government about who gets the cruise ships. Do you think if we said 'FIVE is too many we can't cope' that it would help our cause? We might end up with ONE or NONE that way.

    the traffic when more than one dock triples its not like the car fairy magicked them on the road

    Score: 0
    dolomiteman 9:59pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    Carol and Tony Russell said: “We are very angry. We have phoned the police and traffic control but they haven’t done anything to help".

    Why did they phone the police about a traffic jam and what were they expecting the police to do?

    Score: 1
    Rjhsoton 10:32pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    why did the council not plan these roadworks when the cruise ships are on their world cruises then they would not have the extra traffic with the turnarounds when we have a few ships in port
    but then again that would be too easy an option

    Score: 0
    03alpe01 10:39pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    dolomiteman wrote…


    Carol and Tony Russell said: “We are very angry. We have phoned the police and traffic control but they haven’t done anything to help".

    Why did they phone the police about a traffic jam and what were they expecting the police to do?

    Shoot every car thus getting rid of the traffic jam?

    Score: 0
    gristle 10:48pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    As cities go, Southampton is a tiny place. But the local media like to report 'gridlocks' - 'traffic jams' - etc in a way that conjures up images of a vast city with millions of vehicles battling for progress. At worst, there might be a few delays now and then - the sort of thing that happens everywhere during busy periods.
    And very often such delays are caused by roadwork traffic lights. It happens all over the country - no big deal.

    Score: 1
    timewaster1 11:37pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    Had to get a taxi from Lordshill to Shirley this morning at about 8.45 because there was no suitable bus. The taxi arrived late because of the traffic build up and there was traffic hold ups in Shirley. Went to catch the bus home at 10.22 and the traffic in Shirley was hardly moving. It didn't help that buses turned up together. We counted 8 in a row (not mine I hasten to add). Mine arrived late because of the traffic build up. Once we got out of Shirley the traffic was normal.

    Score: 0
    Donald2000 11:47pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    UncleF wrote…


    I like 'we had to change our baby's nappy in the car. We called the Police and traffic control, but they did nothing to help'....like what, exactly? Lift up some cars to make your journey quicker? Offer to take you to a dedicated roadside baby changing area? Close their eyes and wish really hard that you were where you needed to be?
    Chump.

    You failed to enquire whether or not they changed their own nappies at the same time, or whether they always make such infantile remarks.

    I agree with your posting but never mind, I am sure the servants would have been along shortly to clear that nasty traffic away.

    Score: 1
    jonnyx 11:54pm Fri 10 Jan 14

    in the past two weeks I've driven to the Randolph hotel *bang* in the centre of Oxford -a city not renowned for driving - from the A34 to the hotel - 15/20 mins (including a wrong turn). and I've driven to Sophia gardens in Cardiff, off the m4, five minutes on the link road then 7/8 minutes and I'm parked up a seven minute walk later (through the beautiful bute park arboretum and past the castle) and i'm right in the shopping centre. last Saturday I started from midanbury at one pm by one fifteen i'm past London road, between London road and the podium car park it takes me one and three quarter hours. no lying, i'm serious - unbelievable. I was sat at traffic lights while they went through five, six seven and even eight cycles - that's just not right is it? this city is a nightmare to drive in.

    Score: 4
    Ginger_cyclist 2:54am Sat 11 Jan 14

    To many cars and traffic lights is the problem, not the cruise ships.

    Score: 1
    Huey 6:55am Sat 11 Jan 14

    Can't we send all these cruise ships to Liverpool, I hear they are up for it

    Score: 5
    loosehead 7:17am Sat 11 Jan 14

    Ginger_cyclist wrote…


    To many cars and traffic lights is the problem, not the cruise ships.

    if you read the above post they said it was bad in Shirley! this is where a two laned road was cut to a single lane & the pavements tripled in size as a traffic calming measure years ago now if you get a bus traffic builds up so I wonder is that the cruise ships fault or the busses fault?
    now I do feel taxi drivers & regular drivers to the docks should be using dock gate 20 if at all possible

    Score: 0
    Lone Ranger. 10:22am Sat 11 Jan 14

    jonnyx wrote…


    in the past two weeks I've driven to the Randolph hotel *bang* in the centre of Oxford -a city not renowned for driving - from the A34 to the hotel - 15/20 mins (including a wrong turn). and I've driven to Sophia gardens in Cardiff, off the m4, five minutes on the link road then 7/8 minutes and I'm parked up a seven minute walk later (through the beautiful bute park arboretum and past the castle) and i'm right in the shopping centre. last Saturday I started from midanbury at one pm by one fifteen i'm past London road, between London road and the podium car park it takes me one and three quarter hours. no lying, i'm serious - unbelievable. I was sat at traffic lights while they went through five, six seven and even eight cycles - that's just not right is it? this city is a nightmare to drive in.

    What tosh ......
    .
    I have driven in Oxford ....... i have driven in Cardiff ...... so what.
    .
    99.9% of times when idrive into or through Southampton there is not one issue of traffic problems ........ and i would expect that is the experience of most drivers

    Score: -1
    Ginger_cyclist 1:19pm Sat 11 Jan 14

    loosehead wrote…


    Ginger_cyclist wrote…


    To many cars and traffic lights is the problem, not the cruise ships.
    if you read the above post they said it was bad in Shirley! this is where a two laned road was cut to a single lane & the pavements tripled in size as a traffic calming measure years ago now if you get a bus traffic builds up so I wonder is that the cruise ships fault or the busses fault?
    now I do feel taxi drivers & regular drivers to the docks should be using dock gate 20 if at all possible

    Can still be just as dangerous on Shirley High street with people speeding and pulling out from places like mcdonalds without looking.

    Score: 0
    in search of the truth 1:41pm Sat 11 Jan 14

    Market forces will sort this mess out.
    When the cruise passengers put in their complaints to the cruise operators and an analysis of passenger addresses is made the cruise companies will quickly realise that some of the ships should be based at other home ports than Southampton. The fact that people are expected to travel hundreds of miles in order to pick up a cruise ship at the cruise ship bus stops situated in Southampton is utterly ridiculous and this farce highlights the fact to existing passengers, potential passengers and the cruise lines.
    There is very little in Southampton to interest to cruise passengers who are in transit, it's hardly an international city with a cultural diversity where one might stay for any period before or after a cruise, after this little episode it is clear that Southampton cannot cope with problems that affect most cities from time to time ( roadworks ).
    The vast majority of these passengers never look around or spend money in Southampton and therefore Southampton gains no appreciable benefit from them, they are purely clogging up the roads to the cruise ship bus stops, in future however they may vote with their feet and complain to the cruise companies that this time, enough is enough and the cruise companies who have no particular loyalty may st5arting basing ships in other more interesting and closer ports to their customers.

    Score: 3
    loosehead 3:31pm Sat 11 Jan 14

    in search of the truth wrote…


    Market forces will sort this mess out.
    When the cruise passengers put in their complaints to the cruise operators and an analysis of passenger addresses is made the cruise companies will quickly realise that some of the ships should be based at other home ports than Southampton. The fact that people are expected to travel hundreds of miles in order to pick up a cruise ship at the cruise ship bus stops situated in Southampton is utterly ridiculous and this farce highlights the fact to existing passengers, potential passengers and the cruise lines.
    There is very little in Southampton to interest to cruise passengers who are in transit, it's hardly an international city with a cultural diversity where one might stay for any period before or after a cruise, after this little episode it is clear that Southampton cannot cope with problems that affect most cities from time to time ( roadworks ).
    The vast majority of these passengers never look around or spend money in Southampton and therefore Southampton gains no appreciable benefit from them, they are purely clogging up the roads to the cruise ship bus stops, in future however they may vote with their feet and complain to the cruise companies that this time, enough is enough and the cruise companies who have no particular loyalty may st5arting basing ships in other more interesting and closer ports to their customers.

    I've been to Liverpool I've seen how busy the Strand can get what would happen if cruise ships went there?
    I get where your coming from & I'm looking to move either up to Liverpool or to Thailand but let's get it straight you have a massive shopping area called Liverpool1 where are the car parks? we have them but I noticed relatively none compared to this city?
    where are the green spaces next to your terminal? you see your not perfect but if the residents & the paper of this city keep on complaining & blaming the cruise ships you might get your wish!
    does it rain a lot in Liverpool?

    Score: -1
    in search of the truth 12:47am Sun 12 Jan 14

    loosehead wrote…


    in search of the truth wrote…


    Market forces will sort this mess out.
    When the cruise passengers put in their complaints to the cruise operators and an analysis of passenger addresses is made the cruise companies will quickly realise that some of the ships should be based at other home ports than Southampton. The fact that people are expected to travel hundreds of miles in order to pick up a cruise ship at the cruise ship bus stops situated in Southampton is utterly ridiculous and this farce highlights the fact to existing passengers, potential passengers and the cruise lines.
    There is very little in Southampton to interest to cruise passengers who are in transit, it's hardly an international city with a cultural diversity where one might stay for any period before or after a cruise, after this little episode it is clear that Southampton cannot cope with problems that affect most cities from time to time ( roadworks ).
    The vast majority of these passengers never look around or spend money in Southampton and therefore Southampton gains no appreciable benefit from them, they are purely clogging up the roads to the cruise ship bus stops, in future however they may vote with their feet and complain to the cruise companies that this time, enough is enough and the cruise companies who have no particular loyalty may st5arting basing ships in other more interesting and closer ports to their customers.
    I've been to Liverpool I've seen how busy the Strand can get what would happen if cruise ships went there?
    I get where your coming from & I'm looking to move either up to Liverpool or to Thailand but let's get it straight you have a massive shopping area called Liverpool1 where are the car parks? we have them but I noticed relatively none compared to this city?
    where are the green spaces next to your terminal? you see your not perfect but if the residents & the paper of this city keep on complaining & blaming the cruise ships you might get your wish!
    does it rain a lot in Liverpool?

    There is a 3,000 space underground carpark built beneath Chavasse Park within Liverpool One. The entrance is via an underground slip road off the Strand near The Albert Dock. The John Lewis department store also has its own multi-storey car park next to the store and there are other carparks nearby.

    Score: 3
    loosehead 9:08am Sun 12 Jan 14

    in search of the truth wrote…


    loosehead wrote…


    in search of the truth wrote…


    Market forces will sort this mess out.
    When the cruise passengers put in their complaints to the cruise operators and an analysis of passenger addresses is made the cruise companies will quickly realise that some of the ships should be based at other home ports than Southampton. The fact that people are expected to travel hundreds of miles in order to pick up a cruise ship at the cruise ship bus stops situated in Southampton is utterly ridiculous and this farce highlights the fact to existing passengers, potential passengers and the cruise lines.
    There is very little in Southampton to interest to cruise passengers who are in transit, it's hardly an international city with a cultural diversity where one might stay for any period before or after a cruise, after this little episode it is clear that Southampton cannot cope with problems that affect most cities from time to time ( roadworks ).
    The vast majority of these passengers never look around or spend money in Southampton and therefore Southampton gains no appreciable benefit from them, they are purely clogging up the roads to the cruise ship bus stops, in future however they may vote with their feet and complain to the cruise companies that this time, enough is enough and the cruise companies who have no particular loyalty may st5arting basing ships in other more interesting and closer ports to their customers.
    I've been to Liverpool I've seen how busy the Strand can get what would happen if cruise ships went there?
    I get where your coming from & I'm looking to move either up to Liverpool or to Thailand but let's get it straight you have a massive shopping area called Liverpool1 where are the car parks? we have them but I noticed relatively none compared to this city?
    where are the green spaces next to your terminal? you see your not perfect but if the residents & the paper of this city keep on complaining & blaming the cruise ships you might get your wish!
    does it rain a lot in Liverpool?
    There is a 3,000 space underground carpark built beneath Chavasse Park within Liverpool One. The entrance is via an underground slip road off the Strand near The Albert Dock. The John Lewis department store also has its own multi-storey car park next to the store and there are other carparks nearby.

    saw the one at John Lewis but didn't realise it was that big so thank you.
    I asked about the rain as I've been verbally attacked when I've said we might move to Liverpool & the weather was given as a reason not to move there so what's it like?

    Score: 0
    in search of the truth 9:33am Sun 12 Jan 14

    loosehead wrote…


    in search of the truth wrote…


    loosehead wrote…


    in search of the truth wrote…


    Market forces will sort this mess out.
    When the cruise passengers put in their complaints to the cruise operators and an analysis of passenger addresses is made the cruise companies will quickly realise that some of the ships should be based at other home ports than Southampton. The fact that people are expected to travel hundreds of miles in order to pick up a cruise ship at the cruise ship bus stops situated in Southampton is utterly ridiculous and this farce highlights the fact to existing passengers, potential passengers and the cruise lines.
    There is very little in Southampton to interest to cruise passengers who are in transit, it's hardly an international city with a cultural diversity where one might stay for any period before or after a cruise, after this little episode it is clear that Southampton cannot cope with problems that affect most cities from time to time ( roadworks ).
    The vast majority of these passengers never look around or spend money in Southampton and therefore Southampton gains no appreciable benefit from them, they are purely clogging up the roads to the cruise ship bus stops, in future however they may vote with their feet and complain to the cruise companies that this time, enough is enough and the cruise companies who have no particular loyalty may st5arting basing ships in other more interesting and closer ports to their customers.
    I've been to Liverpool I've seen how busy the Strand can get what would happen if cruise ships went there?
    I get where your coming from & I'm looking to move either up to Liverpool or to Thailand but let's get it straight you have a massive shopping area called Liverpool1 where are the car parks? we have them but I noticed relatively none compared to this city?
    where are the green spaces next to your terminal? you see your not perfect but if the residents & the paper of this city keep on complaining & blaming the cruise ships you might get your wish!
    does it rain a lot in Liverpool?
    There is a 3,000 space underground carpark built beneath Chavasse Park within Liverpool One. The entrance is via an underground slip road off the Strand near The Albert Dock. The John Lewis department store also has its own multi-storey car park next to the store and there are other carparks nearby.
    saw the one at John Lewis but didn't realise it was that big so thank you.
    I asked about the rain as I've been verbally attacked when I've said we might move to Liverpool & the weather was given as a reason not to move there so what's it like?

    Liverpool benefits from the Gulf Stream and has very mild winters with snow on very rare occasions, any snow usually lasts for only a day at most.
    Liverpool is sheltered by the the high ground in North Wales and most rain bearing cloud passes over Liverpool , tending to fall just west of the Penines hence Manchester is notoriously known for its constant rain.
    I lived in Coventry for 2 years in the 1970's and they had terribly cold wet winters and fog that hung around constantly all day long. We have mild winters and any fog which is rare ( possibly once or twice a year ) tends to clear within an hour or so.

    Score: 3
    loosehead 1:23pm Sun 12 Jan 14

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    Market forces will sort this mess out.
    When the cruise passengers put in their complaints to the cruise operators and an analysis of passenger addresses is made the cruise companies will quickly realise that some of the ships should be based at other home ports than Southampton. The fact that people are expected to travel hundreds of miles in order to pick up a cruise ship at the cruise ship bus stops situated in Southampton is utterly ridiculous and this farce highlights the fact to existing passengers, potential passengers and the cruise lines.
    There is very little in Southampton to interest to cruise passengers who are in transit, it's hardly an international city with a cultural diversity where one might stay for any period before or after a cruise, after this little episode it is clear that Southampton cannot cope with problems that affect most cities from time to time ( roadworks ).
    The vast majority of these passengers never look around or spend money in Southampton and therefore Southampton gains no appreciable benefit from them, they are purely clogging up the roads to the cruise ship bus stops, in future however they may vote with their feet and complain to the cruise companies that this time, enough is enough and the cruise companies who have no particular loyalty may st5arting basing ships in other more interesting and closer ports to their customers.
    I've been to Liverpool I've seen how busy the Strand can get what would happen if cruise ships went there?
    I get where your coming from & I'm looking to move either up to Liverpool or to Thailand but let's get it straight you have a massive shopping area called Liverpool1 where are the car parks? we have them but I noticed relatively none compared to this city?
    where are the green spaces next to your terminal? you see your not perfect but if the residents & the paper of this city keep on complaining & blaming the cruise ships you might get your wish!
    does it rain a lot in Liverpool?
    There is a 3,000 space underground carpark built beneath Chavasse Park within Liverpool One. The entrance is via an underground slip road off the Strand near The Albert Dock. The John Lewis department store also has its own multi-storey car park next to the store and there are other carparks nearby.
    saw the one at John Lewis but didn't realise it was that big so thank you.
    I asked about the rain as I've been verbally attacked when I've said we might move to Liverpool & the weather was given as a reason not to move there so what's it like?
    Liverpool benefits from the Gulf Stream and has very mild winters with snow on very rare occasions, any snow usually lasts for only a day at most.
    Liverpool is sheltered by the the high ground in North Wales and most rain bearing cloud passes over Liverpool , tending to fall just west of the Penines hence Manchester is notoriously known for its constant rain.
    I lived in Coventry for 2 years in the 1970's and they had terribly cold wet winters and fog that hung around constantly all day long. We have mild winters and any fog which is rare ( possibly once or twice a year ) tends to clear within an hour or so.

    Well thank you that helps me out considerably. my wifes Thai & can't stand our winters & the attacks about the weather scared her so thank you for the above!
    I hope both cities can work together to the good for both of them if it means any way in which ABP can send trade to Liverpool with out adversely effecting this Port then let it happen.
    The first thing that happened to me when I went there & jumped into a Taxi was a question of where I'm from then I was told We hated Liverpool & it's peoples, I replied NO the Politicians have c=cked up & the papers have jumped on paper selling headlines that's what's happening.
    luckily we went on to house prices here & there & he was shocked at our prices

    Score: 1

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