Traffic chaos 'means people will never come to Southampton again' say taxi bosses

Daily Echo: Traffic in Southampton yesterday Traffic in Southampton yesterday

FUMING taxi bosses last night rounded on Southampton’s transport chiefs as traffic chaos decimated their takings for the third time in six weeks.

Scores of minicab and private hire drivers were stranded for more than three hours in monster jams at Southampton Docks yesterday.

Drivers reported journeys taking up to five times longer than expected as the combination of major roadworks and five cruise ships arriving at Dock Gate 4 caused congestion chaos.

Frustrated cabbies were forced to wave fares for furious customers and were unable to reach new fares before competing companies arrived.

Bosses warned it was hitting their pockets hard, with one company even threatening to withdraw pick-ups from the docks until Southampton City Council improves the situation.

Bitterne Cars managing director Alan Taylor said one driver spent 70 minutes to complete the 15 minute journey from Bitterne to Dock Gate 4 The usual 10 minute trip crossing the Itchen Bridge took 30 minutes.

Daily Echo:

He said “It’s completely ridiculous. The drivers are self employed and it’s been hitting their takings.

“Customers have been getting angry and we’ve had to give a couple of freebies.

“It’s very embarrassing because we are the biggest cruise terminal in England and but if it’s going to take three hours to go a mile it makes us look awful.

“If something’s not sorted the whole city is going to come to a standstill.”

Meanwhile drivers at Viking Cars based in Bursledon reported two trips from Hamble and Swanwick to Dock Gate 4 took 90 minutes.

Manager Donna Richards said: “It was a nightmare.

“We organise a standard fare rather than having metres in the car so it’s the same price regardless.

Daily Echo:

“We’ve had some irate customers and we’ve had to farm out some of our business to other companies because we haven’t been able to get our cars back in time.

“They shouldn’t have five cruise ships in at the same time if there aren’t roads to cope.”

Owner Roger Vivian took the unusual step of getting into a cab to serve as an extra driver.

He got stuck on West Quay Road for 25 minutes on his way to pick up customers from the port who eventually got into hackney cabs waiting there.

He said: “We’re getting to a stage where there is little point in us picking people up from the docks.

“It’s not financially viable for the company if you are just sitting in a queue. It’s embarrassing.

“The council goes on about how they want to promote the city but anyone who comes here and is stuck in traffic for nearly two hours won’t want to come back.

“They need to be talking to the ports and moving ships to different dock gates.”

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8:19am Sat 11 Jan 14

issacchunt says...

Echo, your 2 page paper story will play into Liverpool's hands. The roadworks have to happen, almost impossible for them not to have a short term impact but for long term gain.

the cruise companies could help here, the constant pIanning of having multiple vessels in on the same day puts too much pressure on everything. Why not the old sanatagen adage "one a day", just needs planning surely when creating the next years itineries.

Sending all traffic down the m271 when we have 2 other directions into the city is also naive.
Echo, your 2 page paper story will play into Liverpool's hands. The roadworks have to happen, almost impossible for them not to have a short term impact but for long term gain. the cruise companies could help here, the constant pIanning of having multiple vessels in on the same day puts too much pressure on everything. Why not the old sanatagen adage "one a day", just needs planning surely when creating the next years itineries. Sending all traffic down the m271 when we have 2 other directions into the city is also naive. issacchunt
  • Score: 20

8:38am Sat 11 Jan 14

Db1985 says...

This is not good however the taxi firms are not helping themselves by quoting four times the usual taxi fair on New Year's Eve. I refuse to pay that and am aware that there were a lot of taxi drivers out of business that night as people opted to stay at home rather than being taken for a ride.
This is not good however the taxi firms are not helping themselves by quoting four times the usual taxi fair on New Year's Eve. I refuse to pay that and am aware that there were a lot of taxi drivers out of business that night as people opted to stay at home rather than being taken for a ride. Db1985
  • Score: 15

8:45am Sat 11 Jan 14

Micle1974 says...

Build the M27 J6, M272, M273 and M274.
Then build some new bridges over the rivers and railway lines that cut up the city's roads.
Build the M27 J6, M272, M273 and M274. Then build some new bridges over the rivers and railway lines that cut up the city's roads. Micle1974
  • Score: 14

8:49am Sat 11 Jan 14

Nod says...

There needs to be electronic signs for traffic warnings coming into the city

1/ Southbound on the M3 before the M27 East West Split
2/ before the Nursling juction southbound on the Motorway
3/ near the roundabout at the top of the Avenue
4/ Before Regents Park Road / Millbrook Road Traffic Lights

and elsewhere across the city.

We MUST be given better warning so locals and others can seek alternate routes and not add to queues.
There needs to be electronic signs for traffic warnings coming into the city 1/ Southbound on the M3 before the M27 East West Split 2/ before the Nursling juction southbound on the Motorway 3/ near the roundabout at the top of the Avenue 4/ Before Regents Park Road / Millbrook Road Traffic Lights and elsewhere across the city. We MUST be given better warning so locals and others can seek alternate routes and not add to queues. Nod
  • Score: 27

8:50am Sat 11 Jan 14

Rockhopper says...

It is true, rather than visiting Southampton out of choice it has now become a case of only visiting when no other option is available and at an off-peak tme.
It is true, rather than visiting Southampton out of choice it has now become a case of only visiting when no other option is available and at an off-peak tme. Rockhopper
  • Score: 26

9:17am Sat 11 Jan 14

Datarater says...

Labour and planning, what fun.
Labour and planning, what fun. Datarater
  • Score: -7

9:19am Sat 11 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

Db1985 wrote:
This is not good however the taxi firms are not helping themselves by quoting four times the usual taxi fair on New Year's Eve. I refuse to pay that and am aware that there were a lot of taxi drivers out of business that night as people opted to stay at home rather than being taken for a ride.
If event organisers went to SCC and said we want to have the Mela festival in Hoglands park, the Thai festival in Mayflower park, a Saints home game at Saint Marys, a pop festival on the common, the Sky ride through the city centre all on the same day, would they be stupid enough to agree to it???
I think probably not, so who exactly is it that allows 5 cruise ships to come in on the same day??
Is it the council or the port? Who has the final say, who makes the decision??
Why should the cruise industry be to the detriment of not just cabbies but every other business in the city, imagine all the businesses trying to move goods around, restaurants waiting for deliveries of food, people trying to get to red funnel, people trying to reach the train station, maybe somebody waiting for an ambulance?
Somebody sort it out so no more than 2 cruise ships can come in and then at different dock gates.
[quote][p][bold]Db1985[/bold] wrote: This is not good however the taxi firms are not helping themselves by quoting four times the usual taxi fair on New Year's Eve. I refuse to pay that and am aware that there were a lot of taxi drivers out of business that night as people opted to stay at home rather than being taken for a ride.[/p][/quote]If event organisers went to SCC and said we want to have the Mela festival in Hoglands park, the Thai festival in Mayflower park, a Saints home game at Saint Marys, a pop festival on the common, the Sky ride through the city centre all on the same day, would they be stupid enough to agree to it??? I think probably not, so who exactly is it that allows 5 cruise ships to come in on the same day?? Is it the council or the port? Who has the final say, who makes the decision?? Why should the cruise industry be to the detriment of not just cabbies but every other business in the city, imagine all the businesses trying to move goods around, restaurants waiting for deliveries of food, people trying to get to red funnel, people trying to reach the train station, maybe somebody waiting for an ambulance? Somebody sort it out so no more than 2 cruise ships can come in and then at different dock gates. bigfella777
  • Score: 22

9:24am Sat 11 Jan 14

THEKILLER says...

Correct I have not shopped in the city for over 2 years, so many better places to go, don't even go to the Mayflower Theater any more prefer the BIC
Correct I have not shopped in the city for over 2 years, so many better places to go, don't even go to the Mayflower Theater any more prefer the BIC THEKILLER
  • Score: 18

9:25am Sat 11 Jan 14

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

liverpool will soon get all this trade , southampton is handing it to them on a plate.
liverpool will soon get all this trade , southampton is handing it to them on a plate. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.
  • Score: 14

9:30am Sat 11 Jan 14

sotonbusdriver says...

The cities roads are just not built for the volume of traffic that is pouring into the city these days...
To arrange 5 cruise ships all at the same time is bonkers.
The roads around town Quay, ocean Village are just not big enough or wide enough to cope with the extra traffic that cruise ships bring... As it is not just passengers but lorries with supplies for the ship too...
The better option if Southampton is to continue with LINERS, would be to move them to the Western docks, with all traffic sent via Dock Gate 20...
It wouldn't halt traffic congestions, but being it is off the dual carriageway, it means that the 2 outer lanes may flow into town and beyond the problem slightly better... Which is a better idea than drawing all the traffic right across the heart of the city, and into a very poor road serviced area of town.
The cities roads are just not built for the volume of traffic that is pouring into the city these days... To arrange 5 cruise ships all at the same time is bonkers. The roads around town Quay, ocean Village are just not big enough or wide enough to cope with the extra traffic that cruise ships bring... As it is not just passengers but lorries with supplies for the ship too... The better option if Southampton is to continue with LINERS, would be to move them to the Western docks, with all traffic sent via Dock Gate 20... It wouldn't halt traffic congestions, but being it is off the dual carriageway, it means that the 2 outer lanes may flow into town and beyond the problem slightly better... Which is a better idea than drawing all the traffic right across the heart of the city, and into a very poor road serviced area of town. sotonbusdriver
  • Score: 8

9:33am Sat 11 Jan 14

Danae says...

Carnival: Include a well-negotiated, and discounted, railfare in everyone's cruise ticket.

'Up country' visitors will be able to get swiftly down to Southampton changing if necessary in London where there is plenty of off peak capacity in the transport system.

Customers then won't have the hassle and expense of driving, nor experience the Southampton gridlock to which they contribute, plus they will avoid parking costs while away.

Win, Win Win!
Carnival: Include a well-negotiated, and discounted, railfare in everyone's cruise ticket. 'Up country' visitors will be able to get swiftly down to Southampton changing if necessary in London where there is plenty of off peak capacity in the transport system. Customers then won't have the hassle and expense of driving, nor experience the Southampton gridlock to which they contribute, plus they will avoid parking costs while away. Win, Win Win! Danae
  • Score: 13

9:35am Sat 11 Jan 14

edwardsgregory says...

Have Southampton City not thought about joining forces with nalional rail and reinstating the Train lines that are already in the docks. This would encourage the cruse liner travelers off the roads and on the the rails??
Or even a park and ride using some of the Ford factory's car parks ?
Have Southampton City not thought about joining forces with nalional rail and reinstating the Train lines that are already in the docks. This would encourage the cruse liner travelers off the roads and on the the rails?? Or even a park and ride using some of the Ford factory's car parks ? edwardsgregory
  • Score: 33

9:36am Sat 11 Jan 14

elvisimo says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Db1985 wrote:
This is not good however the taxi firms are not helping themselves by quoting four times the usual taxi fair on New Year's Eve. I refuse to pay that and am aware that there were a lot of taxi drivers out of business that night as people opted to stay at home rather than being taken for a ride.
If event organisers went to SCC and said we want to have the Mela festival in Hoglands park, the Thai festival in Mayflower park, a Saints home game at Saint Marys, a pop festival on the common, the Sky ride through the city centre all on the same day, would they be stupid enough to agree to it???
I think probably not, so who exactly is it that allows 5 cruise ships to come in on the same day??
Is it the council or the port? Who has the final say, who makes the decision??
Why should the cruise industry be to the detriment of not just cabbies but every other business in the city, imagine all the businesses trying to move goods around, restaurants waiting for deliveries of food, people trying to get to red funnel, people trying to reach the train station, maybe somebody waiting for an ambulance?
Somebody sort it out so no more than 2 cruise ships can come in and then at different dock gates.
How many taxis do you think there are operating in the city? They and the cruise ships are not the issue. It's not as if cruise passengers have cars! It is purey down to managing road works so that the do not over lap. The morons at the council do not seem to understand this basic principle.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Db1985[/bold] wrote: This is not good however the taxi firms are not helping themselves by quoting four times the usual taxi fair on New Year's Eve. I refuse to pay that and am aware that there were a lot of taxi drivers out of business that night as people opted to stay at home rather than being taken for a ride.[/p][/quote]If event organisers went to SCC and said we want to have the Mela festival in Hoglands park, the Thai festival in Mayflower park, a Saints home game at Saint Marys, a pop festival on the common, the Sky ride through the city centre all on the same day, would they be stupid enough to agree to it??? I think probably not, so who exactly is it that allows 5 cruise ships to come in on the same day?? Is it the council or the port? Who has the final say, who makes the decision?? Why should the cruise industry be to the detriment of not just cabbies but every other business in the city, imagine all the businesses trying to move goods around, restaurants waiting for deliveries of food, people trying to get to red funnel, people trying to reach the train station, maybe somebody waiting for an ambulance? Somebody sort it out so no more than 2 cruise ships can come in and then at different dock gates.[/p][/quote]How many taxis do you think there are operating in the city? They and the cruise ships are not the issue. It's not as if cruise passengers have cars! It is purey down to managing road works so that the do not over lap. The morons at the council do not seem to understand this basic principle. elvisimo
  • Score: 14

9:37am Sat 11 Jan 14

Huffter says...

Taxi drivers forced to wave fares, metres in cabs - some things even a spellchecker can't correct.
Taxi drivers forced to wave fares, metres in cabs - some things even a spellchecker can't correct. Huffter
  • Score: 7

10:00am Sat 11 Jan 14

wembley one day says...

An even stronger reason why Liverpool might be successful in attracting much of the cruise business away from Southampton - nice one City Council!
An even stronger reason why Liverpool might be successful in attracting much of the cruise business away from Southampton - nice one City Council! wembley one day
  • Score: 11

10:02am Sat 11 Jan 14

issacchunt says...

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
liverpool will soon get all this trade , southampton is handing it to them on a plate.
It will get better here, people should of negotiated with the cruise lines to spread the ship visits while the road works progress.

liverpool can have road works and delays at some point I'm sure. The idea of cruise ship specials (trians) straight into the docks is a good idea but then the taxi's and hotels here would not benefit?

As a city we don't gain that much from the cruise ships other than taxi's and hotels. You imagine coming here the day before your cruise, other than the pointless overpriced sea city museum celebrating the sinking of a ship the day before you sail what is there?
[quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: liverpool will soon get all this trade , southampton is handing it to them on a plate.[/p][/quote]It will get better here, people should of negotiated with the cruise lines to spread the ship visits while the road works progress. liverpool can have road works and delays at some point I'm sure. The idea of cruise ship specials (trians) straight into the docks is a good idea but then the taxi's and hotels here would not benefit? As a city we don't gain that much from the cruise ships other than taxi's and hotels. You imagine coming here the day before your cruise, other than the pointless overpriced sea city museum celebrating the sinking of a ship the day before you sail what is there? issacchunt
  • Score: 6

10:08am Sat 11 Jan 14

loosehead says...

bunch of hypocrites! why do Taxi drivers picking up cruise ship passengers from the New Docks insist on driving through town?
As I've said in another article My Friend came back on Friday from a cruise he lives in Tremona Rd.
he got a taxi that told him towns traffic was horrendous & it would take ages to get him home?
My friend said okay go through dock gate 20 the driver wasn't happy about this but did it.
now I went along Western Esplanade going out of town & the traffic up to where the police station is both ways was light so why aren't these drivers using this dock gate or dock gate 20?
It's okay for them to whinge on here but look at the pictures & see that taxi where's he come from?
The last council were in talks with ABP about the use of dock gate 20 for all traffic into the new docks did this council continue with those talks?
bunch of hypocrites! why do Taxi drivers picking up cruise ship passengers from the New Docks insist on driving through town? As I've said in another article My Friend came back on Friday from a cruise he lives in Tremona Rd. he got a taxi that told him towns traffic was horrendous & it would take ages to get him home? My friend said okay go through dock gate 20 the driver wasn't happy about this but did it. now I went along Western Esplanade going out of town & the traffic up to where the police station is both ways was light so why aren't these drivers using this dock gate or dock gate 20? It's okay for them to whinge on here but look at the pictures & see that taxi where's he come from? The last council were in talks with ABP about the use of dock gate 20 for all traffic into the new docks did this council continue with those talks? loosehead
  • Score: 7

10:09am Sat 11 Jan 14

rightway says...

The price taxi's charge before a cab even moves, will make it hard for taxi firms to get any sympathy for their plight.
The price taxi's charge before a cab even moves, will make it hard for taxi firms to get any sympathy for their plight. rightway
  • Score: 12

10:20am Sat 11 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

rightway wrote:
The price taxi's charge before a cab even moves, will make it hard for taxi firms to get any sympathy for their plight.
What £1.80 with West Quay? I think it's ok.
[quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: The price taxi's charge before a cab even moves, will make it hard for taxi firms to get any sympathy for their plight.[/p][/quote]What £1.80 with West Quay? I think it's ok. bigfella777
  • Score: -5

10:25am Sat 11 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

elvisimo wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Db1985 wrote:
This is not good however the taxi firms are not helping themselves by quoting four times the usual taxi fair on New Year's Eve. I refuse to pay that and am aware that there were a lot of taxi drivers out of business that night as people opted to stay at home rather than being taken for a ride.
If event organisers went to SCC and said we want to have the Mela festival in Hoglands park, the Thai festival in Mayflower park, a Saints home game at Saint Marys, a pop festival on the common, the Sky ride through the city centre all on the same day, would they be stupid enough to agree to it???
I think probably not, so who exactly is it that allows 5 cruise ships to come in on the same day??
Is it the council or the port? Who has the final say, who makes the decision??
Why should the cruise industry be to the detriment of not just cabbies but every other business in the city, imagine all the businesses trying to move goods around, restaurants waiting for deliveries of food, people trying to get to red funnel, people trying to reach the train station, maybe somebody waiting for an ambulance?
Somebody sort it out so no more than 2 cruise ships can come in and then at different dock gates.
How many taxis do you think there are operating in the city? They and the cruise ships are not the issue. It's not as if cruise passengers have cars! It is purey down to managing road works so that the do not over lap. The morons at the council do not seem to understand this basic principle.
You obviously have not seen the huge car parks for the cruise passengers in the docks then I take it. People get to central station then want a cab to the terminal, also from the airport and coach station
They arrive in cabs from all over the country not just our cabs, work it out one big cruise ship= 4500 passengers getting off and another 4500 getting on, the have to travel somehow.
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Db1985[/bold] wrote: This is not good however the taxi firms are not helping themselves by quoting four times the usual taxi fair on New Year's Eve. I refuse to pay that and am aware that there were a lot of taxi drivers out of business that night as people opted to stay at home rather than being taken for a ride.[/p][/quote]If event organisers went to SCC and said we want to have the Mela festival in Hoglands park, the Thai festival in Mayflower park, a Saints home game at Saint Marys, a pop festival on the common, the Sky ride through the city centre all on the same day, would they be stupid enough to agree to it??? I think probably not, so who exactly is it that allows 5 cruise ships to come in on the same day?? Is it the council or the port? Who has the final say, who makes the decision?? Why should the cruise industry be to the detriment of not just cabbies but every other business in the city, imagine all the businesses trying to move goods around, restaurants waiting for deliveries of food, people trying to get to red funnel, people trying to reach the train station, maybe somebody waiting for an ambulance? Somebody sort it out so no more than 2 cruise ships can come in and then at different dock gates.[/p][/quote]How many taxis do you think there are operating in the city? They and the cruise ships are not the issue. It's not as if cruise passengers have cars! It is purey down to managing road works so that the do not over lap. The morons at the council do not seem to understand this basic principle.[/p][/quote]You obviously have not seen the huge car parks for the cruise passengers in the docks then I take it. People get to central station then want a cab to the terminal, also from the airport and coach station They arrive in cabs from all over the country not just our cabs, work it out one big cruise ship= 4500 passengers getting off and another 4500 getting on, the have to travel somehow. bigfella777
  • Score: 3

10:27am Sat 11 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

loosehead wrote:
bunch of hypocrites! why do Taxi drivers picking up cruise ship passengers from the New Docks insist on driving through town?
As I've said in another article My Friend came back on Friday from a cruise he lives in Tremona Rd.
he got a taxi that told him towns traffic was horrendous & it would take ages to get him home?
My friend said okay go through dock gate 20 the driver wasn't happy about this but did it.
now I went along Western Esplanade going out of town & the traffic up to where the police station is both ways was light so why aren't these drivers using this dock gate or dock gate 20?
It's okay for them to whinge on here but look at the pictures & see that taxi where's he come from?
The last council were in talks with ABP about the use of dock gate 20 for all traffic into the new docks did this council continue with those talks?
How do you get to dock gate 4 through dock gate 20, think before you comment.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: bunch of hypocrites! why do Taxi drivers picking up cruise ship passengers from the New Docks insist on driving through town? As I've said in another article My Friend came back on Friday from a cruise he lives in Tremona Rd. he got a taxi that told him towns traffic was horrendous & it would take ages to get him home? My friend said okay go through dock gate 20 the driver wasn't happy about this but did it. now I went along Western Esplanade going out of town & the traffic up to where the police station is both ways was light so why aren't these drivers using this dock gate or dock gate 20? It's okay for them to whinge on here but look at the pictures & see that taxi where's he come from? The last council were in talks with ABP about the use of dock gate 20 for all traffic into the new docks did this council continue with those talks?[/p][/quote]How do you get to dock gate 4 through dock gate 20, think before you comment. bigfella777
  • Score: 4

10:29am Sat 11 Jan 14

redsnapper says...

issacchunt wrote:
Echo, your 2 page paper story will play into Liverpool's hands. The roadworks have to happen, almost impossible for them not to have a short term impact but for long term gain.

the cruise companies could help here, the constant pIanning of having multiple vessels in on the same day puts too much pressure on everything. Why not the old sanatagen adage "one a day", just needs planning surely when creating the next years itineries.

Sending all traffic down the m271 when we have 2 other directions into the city is also naive.
Wrong. This shambles lies 100% at the desks at City Council.incompetent, no vision and no idea doesn't.t even begin to describe their uselessness.
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Echo, your 2 page paper story will play into Liverpool's hands. The roadworks have to happen, almost impossible for them not to have a short term impact but for long term gain. the cruise companies could help here, the constant pIanning of having multiple vessels in on the same day puts too much pressure on everything. Why not the old sanatagen adage "one a day", just needs planning surely when creating the next years itineries. Sending all traffic down the m271 when we have 2 other directions into the city is also naive.[/p][/quote]Wrong. This shambles lies 100% at the desks at City Council.incompetent, no vision and no idea doesn't.t even begin to describe their uselessness. redsnapper
  • Score: 10

10:30am Sat 11 Jan 14

loosehead says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Db1985 wrote:
This is not good however the taxi firms are not helping themselves by quoting four times the usual taxi fair on New Year's Eve. I refuse to pay that and am aware that there were a lot of taxi drivers out of business that night as people opted to stay at home rather than being taken for a ride.
If event organisers went to SCC and said we want to have the Mela festival in Hoglands park, the Thai festival in Mayflower park, a Saints home game at Saint Marys, a pop festival on the common, the Sky ride through the city centre all on the same day, would they be stupid enough to agree to it???
I think probably not, so who exactly is it that allows 5 cruise ships to come in on the same day??
Is it the council or the port? Who has the final say, who makes the decision??
Why should the cruise industry be to the detriment of not just cabbies but every other business in the city, imagine all the businesses trying to move goods around, restaurants waiting for deliveries of food, people trying to get to red funnel, people trying to reach the train station, maybe somebody waiting for an ambulance?
Somebody sort it out so no more than 2 cruise ships can come in and then at different dock gates.
so you want this city to die then? the docks have been here longer than most of us & I've seen it when all berths have been full so let's not blame the ships.
why do so many people use this route when they know of the road works ?
surely there's Northam road or jump on the motorway & go around?
Why not shut the Itchen bridge for three days & see if this solves the problem?
I just wish people who can cast their minds back before the Itchen Bridge was built & try to remember what it was like across Northam Bridge?
Why is there no mention of the traffic on match days?
5thousand passengers on 5 cruise ships according to this joke of a paper brings chaos & even then they got it wrong there are not 5 cruise ships at dock gate 4 there are 2 but why is it with 25,000-28,000 football fans descending on St Mary's on a Saturday there are no reports of traffic chaos?
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Db1985[/bold] wrote: This is not good however the taxi firms are not helping themselves by quoting four times the usual taxi fair on New Year's Eve. I refuse to pay that and am aware that there were a lot of taxi drivers out of business that night as people opted to stay at home rather than being taken for a ride.[/p][/quote]If event organisers went to SCC and said we want to have the Mela festival in Hoglands park, the Thai festival in Mayflower park, a Saints home game at Saint Marys, a pop festival on the common, the Sky ride through the city centre all on the same day, would they be stupid enough to agree to it??? I think probably not, so who exactly is it that allows 5 cruise ships to come in on the same day?? Is it the council or the port? Who has the final say, who makes the decision?? Why should the cruise industry be to the detriment of not just cabbies but every other business in the city, imagine all the businesses trying to move goods around, restaurants waiting for deliveries of food, people trying to get to red funnel, people trying to reach the train station, maybe somebody waiting for an ambulance? Somebody sort it out so no more than 2 cruise ships can come in and then at different dock gates.[/p][/quote]so you want this city to die then? the docks have been here longer than most of us & I've seen it when all berths have been full so let's not blame the ships. why do so many people use this route when they know of the road works ? surely there's Northam road or jump on the motorway & go around? Why not shut the Itchen bridge for three days & see if this solves the problem? I just wish people who can cast their minds back before the Itchen Bridge was built & try to remember what it was like across Northam Bridge? Why is there no mention of the traffic on match days? 5thousand passengers on 5 cruise ships according to this joke of a paper brings chaos & even then they got it wrong there are not 5 cruise ships at dock gate 4 there are 2 but why is it with 25,000-28,000 football fans descending on St Mary's on a Saturday there are no reports of traffic chaos? loosehead
  • Score: 2

10:40am Sat 11 Jan 14

Just another reader says...

Makes you wonder if this is contrived as a way of justifying introducing a congestion charge. Control the lights to cause chaos on a busy day,create a furore, then slowly put out the feelers!
Makes you wonder if this is contrived as a way of justifying introducing a congestion charge. Control the lights to cause chaos on a busy day,create a furore, then slowly put out the feelers! Just another reader
  • Score: 5

10:40am Sat 11 Jan 14

issacchunt says...

redsnapper wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Echo, your 2 page paper story will play into Liverpool's hands. The roadworks have to happen, almost impossible for them not to have a short term impact but for long term gain.

the cruise companies could help here, the constant pIanning of having multiple vessels in on the same day puts too much pressure on everything. Why not the old sanatagen adage "one a day", just needs planning surely when creating the next years itineries.

Sending all traffic down the m271 when we have 2 other directions into the city is also naive.
Wrong. This shambles lies 100% at the desks at City Council.incompetent, no vision and no idea doesn't.t even begin to describe their uselessness.
Go on then, how and when could they dig up the road without causing a delay. It's not a 5 minute job. Not wrong at all, cruise companies could of helped by managing the visits better and the council should of directed a given amount of traffic on othrr routes.

They could even of switched lights to a better sequence to manage movements but roadworks cause delays no matter who runs the council.
[quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Echo, your 2 page paper story will play into Liverpool's hands. The roadworks have to happen, almost impossible for them not to have a short term impact but for long term gain. the cruise companies could help here, the constant pIanning of having multiple vessels in on the same day puts too much pressure on everything. Why not the old sanatagen adage "one a day", just needs planning surely when creating the next years itineries. Sending all traffic down the m271 when we have 2 other directions into the city is also naive.[/p][/quote]Wrong. This shambles lies 100% at the desks at City Council.incompetent, no vision and no idea doesn't.t even begin to describe their uselessness.[/p][/quote]Go on then, how and when could they dig up the road without causing a delay. It's not a 5 minute job. Not wrong at all, cruise companies could of helped by managing the visits better and the council should of directed a given amount of traffic on othrr routes. They could even of switched lights to a better sequence to manage movements but roadworks cause delays no matter who runs the council. issacchunt
  • Score: 1

10:46am Sat 11 Jan 14

Cyber__Fug says...

The headline could also read

"Taxi rip off merchants 'means people will never come to Southampton again' say Traffic bosses"
The headline could also read "Taxi rip off merchants 'means people will never come to Southampton again' say Traffic bosses" Cyber__Fug
  • Score: 6

10:47am Sat 11 Jan 14

adamello says...

Two years ago there was 7 boats in, no real issue. Cruise schedulers can plan up to two years ahead of time. Ie they should have to change knowing the city can cope with that many boats.. And who should change, should carnival adjust, or RCL? Or one of the other cruise lines.. Should 4000 be told that their holidays because some roadworks have since been agreed?

The dockgate 4 roadworks are long term, so they are going to affect traffic and cruise ships at somepoint. Some people haven't even realised that the point of those road works is to ease access and congestion.. It has to be done at some point, there has to be some short term affect, otherwise we'd get nowhere
Two years ago there was 7 boats in, no real issue. Cruise schedulers can plan up to two years ahead of time. Ie they should have to change knowing the city can cope with that many boats.. And who should change, should carnival adjust, or RCL? Or one of the other cruise lines.. Should 4000 be told that their holidays because some roadworks have since been agreed? The dockgate 4 roadworks are long term, so they are going to affect traffic and cruise ships at somepoint. Some people haven't even realised that the point of those road works is to ease access and congestion.. It has to be done at some point, there has to be some short term affect, otherwise we'd get nowhere adamello
  • Score: 4

10:56am Sat 11 Jan 14

rightway says...

bigfella777 wrote:
rightway wrote:
The price taxi's charge before a cab even moves, will make it hard for taxi firms to get any sympathy for their plight.
What £1.80 with West Quay? I think it's ok.
If you're happy to pay twice, firstly to sit in the cab then the fare for your actual journey, well done you.
Most people, in my humble opinion would prefer to only pay for the service provided, not for what is about to happen.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: The price taxi's charge before a cab even moves, will make it hard for taxi firms to get any sympathy for their plight.[/p][/quote]What £1.80 with West Quay? I think it's ok.[/p][/quote]If you're happy to pay twice, firstly to sit in the cab then the fare for your actual journey, well done you. Most people, in my humble opinion would prefer to only pay for the service provided, not for what is about to happen. rightway
  • Score: 5

11:02am Sat 11 Jan 14

redsnapper says...

edwardsgregory wrote:
Have Southampton City not thought about joining forces with nalional rail and reinstating the Train lines that are already in the docks. This would encourage the cruse liner travelers off the roads and on the the rails??
Or even a park and ride using some of the Ford factory's car parks ?
Southampton City Council and Rayment don't Think . They are clueless and useless. The road systems have hardly changed in 40 yrs despite the huge changes in car use, cruising demand etc etc. The City.s railway station likewise.
Southampton has been shockingly served by its council for years.

It should be a premier European City..instead it is becoming a congested dump.
[quote][p][bold]edwardsgregory[/bold] wrote: Have Southampton City not thought about joining forces with nalional rail and reinstating the Train lines that are already in the docks. This would encourage the cruse liner travelers off the roads and on the the rails?? Or even a park and ride using some of the Ford factory's car parks ?[/p][/quote]Southampton City Council and Rayment don't Think . They are clueless and useless. The road systems have hardly changed in 40 yrs despite the huge changes in car use, cruising demand etc etc. The City.s railway station likewise. Southampton has been shockingly served by its council for years. It should be a premier European City..instead it is becoming a congested dump. redsnapper
  • Score: 9

11:02am Sat 11 Jan 14

redsnapper says...

edwardsgregory wrote:
Have Southampton City not thought about joining forces with nalional rail and reinstating the Train lines that are already in the docks. This would encourage the cruse liner travelers off the roads and on the the rails??
Or even a park and ride using some of the Ford factory's car parks ?
Southampton City Council and Rayment don't Think . They are clueless and useless. The road systems have hardly changed in 40 yrs despite the huge changes in car use, cruising demand etc etc. The City.s railway station likewise.
Southampton has been shockingly served by its council for years.

It should be a premier European City..instead it is becoming a congested dump.
[quote][p][bold]edwardsgregory[/bold] wrote: Have Southampton City not thought about joining forces with nalional rail and reinstating the Train lines that are already in the docks. This would encourage the cruse liner travelers off the roads and on the the rails?? Or even a park and ride using some of the Ford factory's car parks ?[/p][/quote]Southampton City Council and Rayment don't Think . They are clueless and useless. The road systems have hardly changed in 40 yrs despite the huge changes in car use, cruising demand etc etc. The City.s railway station likewise. Southampton has been shockingly served by its council for years. It should be a premier European City..instead it is becoming a congested dump. redsnapper
  • Score: 4

11:10am Sat 11 Jan 14

Graeme Harrison says...

If only we had an ice-rink, none of this would happen.
If only we had an ice-rink, none of this would happen. Graeme Harrison
  • Score: 5

11:16am Sat 11 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

rightway wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
rightway wrote:
The price taxi's charge before a cab even moves, will make it hard for taxi firms to get any sympathy for their plight.
What £1.80 with West Quay? I think it's ok.
If you're happy to pay twice, firstly to sit in the cab then the fare for your actual journey, well done you.
Most people, in my humble opinion would prefer to only pay for the service provided, not for what is about to happen.
It's called a flag and goes back to the days of original Hackney carriages and means that you have entered into a contract with the driver for a service of travel, you obviously have no idea of how much it costs to run a cab.
Good for you don't use them.
[quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: The price taxi's charge before a cab even moves, will make it hard for taxi firms to get any sympathy for their plight.[/p][/quote]What £1.80 with West Quay? I think it's ok.[/p][/quote]If you're happy to pay twice, firstly to sit in the cab then the fare for your actual journey, well done you. Most people, in my humble opinion would prefer to only pay for the service provided, not for what is about to happen.[/p][/quote]It's called a flag and goes back to the days of original Hackney carriages and means that you have entered into a contract with the driver for a service of travel, you obviously have no idea of how much it costs to run a cab. Good for you don't use them. bigfella777
  • Score: -1

11:18am Sat 11 Jan 14

southy says...

THEKILLER wrote:
Correct I have not shopped in the city for over 2 years, so many better places to go, don't even go to the Mayflower Theater any more prefer the BIC
There was a time when you have 10 ships coming in on the same day, you had a problem them because the mono roads but it was no where near as bad as it as been in the last few years.
This traffic jam was happening even before any road works was happening, just that this is the worse it ever been, it was not this bad back in the 60's when you had a lot more ships to contend with in a single day.
[quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: Correct I have not shopped in the city for over 2 years, so many better places to go, don't even go to the Mayflower Theater any more prefer the BIC[/p][/quote]There was a time when you have 10 ships coming in on the same day, you had a problem them because the mono roads but it was no where near as bad as it as been in the last few years. This traffic jam was happening even before any road works was happening, just that this is the worse it ever been, it was not this bad back in the 60's when you had a lot more ships to contend with in a single day. southy
  • Score: 1

11:20am Sat 11 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

loosehead wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Db1985 wrote:
This is not good however the taxi firms are not helping themselves by quoting four times the usual taxi fair on New Year's Eve. I refuse to pay that and am aware that there were a lot of taxi drivers out of business that night as people opted to stay at home rather than being taken for a ride.
If event organisers went to SCC and said we want to have the Mela festival in Hoglands park, the Thai festival in Mayflower park, a Saints home game at Saint Marys, a pop festival on the common, the Sky ride through the city centre all on the same day, would they be stupid enough to agree to it???
I think probably not, so who exactly is it that allows 5 cruise ships to come in on the same day??
Is it the council or the port? Who has the final say, who makes the decision??
Why should the cruise industry be to the detriment of not just cabbies but every other business in the city, imagine all the businesses trying to move goods around, restaurants waiting for deliveries of food, people trying to get to red funnel, people trying to reach the train station, maybe somebody waiting for an ambulance?
Somebody sort it out so no more than 2 cruise ships can come in and then at different dock gates.
so you want this city to die then? the docks have been here longer than most of us & I've seen it when all berths have been full so let's not blame the ships.
why do so many people use this route when they know of the road works ?
surely there's Northam road or jump on the motorway & go around?
Why not shut the Itchen bridge for three days & see if this solves the problem?
I just wish people who can cast their minds back before the Itchen Bridge was built & try to remember what it was like across Northam Bridge?
Why is there no mention of the traffic on match days?
5thousand passengers on 5 cruise ships according to this joke of a paper brings chaos & even then they got it wrong there are not 5 cruise ships at dock gate 4 there are 2 but why is it with 25,000-28,000 football fans descending on St Mary's on a Saturday there are no reports of traffic chaos?
You are really making yourself look silly today, 5000 passengers on 5 cruise ships?
Try 4500 on each one and don't forget 4500 get off and then 4500 get on I make that at least 45000 people and you need to get out more if you think St Marys doesn't cause gridlock.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Db1985[/bold] wrote: This is not good however the taxi firms are not helping themselves by quoting four times the usual taxi fair on New Year's Eve. I refuse to pay that and am aware that there were a lot of taxi drivers out of business that night as people opted to stay at home rather than being taken for a ride.[/p][/quote]If event organisers went to SCC and said we want to have the Mela festival in Hoglands park, the Thai festival in Mayflower park, a Saints home game at Saint Marys, a pop festival on the common, the Sky ride through the city centre all on the same day, would they be stupid enough to agree to it??? I think probably not, so who exactly is it that allows 5 cruise ships to come in on the same day?? Is it the council or the port? Who has the final say, who makes the decision?? Why should the cruise industry be to the detriment of not just cabbies but every other business in the city, imagine all the businesses trying to move goods around, restaurants waiting for deliveries of food, people trying to get to red funnel, people trying to reach the train station, maybe somebody waiting for an ambulance? Somebody sort it out so no more than 2 cruise ships can come in and then at different dock gates.[/p][/quote]so you want this city to die then? the docks have been here longer than most of us & I've seen it when all berths have been full so let's not blame the ships. why do so many people use this route when they know of the road works ? surely there's Northam road or jump on the motorway & go around? Why not shut the Itchen bridge for three days & see if this solves the problem? I just wish people who can cast their minds back before the Itchen Bridge was built & try to remember what it was like across Northam Bridge? Why is there no mention of the traffic on match days? 5thousand passengers on 5 cruise ships according to this joke of a paper brings chaos & even then they got it wrong there are not 5 cruise ships at dock gate 4 there are 2 but why is it with 25,000-28,000 football fans descending on St Mary's on a Saturday there are no reports of traffic chaos?[/p][/quote]You are really making yourself look silly today, 5000 passengers on 5 cruise ships? Try 4500 on each one and don't forget 4500 get off and then 4500 get on I make that at least 45000 people and you need to get out more if you think St Marys doesn't cause gridlock. bigfella777
  • Score: 6

11:26am Sat 11 Jan 14

downfader says...

southy wrote:
THEKILLER wrote:
Correct I have not shopped in the city for over 2 years, so many better places to go, don't even go to the Mayflower Theater any more prefer the BIC
There was a time when you have 10 ships coming in on the same day, you had a problem them because the mono roads but it was no where near as bad as it as been in the last few years.
This traffic jam was happening even before any road works was happening, just that this is the worse it ever been, it was not this bad back in the 60's when you had a lot more ships to contend with in a single day.
There were less cars on the road in the 1960s. Plus the community was more spread out. Now we've probably a 3rd extra in population and every household now has 1.5 cars average.

People have got to start looking at the alternatives.Taxis can help, true, but I agree they need to lower the fares before this becomes viable. Same with bus/rail fares which are massively out of whack with earnings.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]THEKILLER[/bold] wrote: Correct I have not shopped in the city for over 2 years, so many better places to go, don't even go to the Mayflower Theater any more prefer the BIC[/p][/quote]There was a time when you have 10 ships coming in on the same day, you had a problem them because the mono roads but it was no where near as bad as it as been in the last few years. This traffic jam was happening even before any road works was happening, just that this is the worse it ever been, it was not this bad back in the 60's when you had a lot more ships to contend with in a single day.[/p][/quote]There were less cars on the road in the 1960s. Plus the community was more spread out. Now we've probably a 3rd extra in population and every household now has 1.5 cars average. People have got to start looking at the alternatives.Taxis can help, true, but I agree they need to lower the fares before this becomes viable. Same with bus/rail fares which are massively out of whack with earnings. downfader
  • Score: 4

11:33am Sat 11 Jan 14

Positively4thStreet says...

50 years ago boat train expresses ran regularly from the docks when the ocean liners docked,and the only hold ups were in Canute Road when they crossed over from the docks,to Southampton Terminus station in route to London.
The old Terminus station should be reopened as a rail transfer point for the cruise liners,as it is practically in the docks,and passengers could be bussed to the terminal,in airport style fashion.
One of the biggest mistakes made however,and one which can never be rectified, was the termination of the M3 at Chilworth, and not taking it directly down into the town,and the docks.
50 years ago boat train expresses ran regularly from the docks when the ocean liners docked,and the only hold ups were in Canute Road when they crossed over from the docks,to Southampton Terminus station in route to London. The old Terminus station should be reopened as a rail transfer point for the cruise liners,as it is practically in the docks,and passengers could be bussed to the terminal,in airport style fashion. One of the biggest mistakes made however,and one which can never be rectified, was the termination of the M3 at Chilworth, and not taking it directly down into the town,and the docks. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 5

11:35am Sat 11 Jan 14

Totton Ric says...

Very simple solution, railway lines in to both parts of the dock, run cruse line trains again, they stopped last year !, also back until the late 80s they ran a Boat Train from Waterloo for the big liners !
Very simple solution, railway lines in to both parts of the dock, run cruse line trains again, they stopped last year !, also back until the late 80s they ran a Boat Train from Waterloo for the big liners ! Totton Ric
  • Score: 6

11:53am Sat 11 Jan 14

On the inside says...

redsnapper wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Echo, your 2 page paper story will play into Liverpool's hands. The roadworks have to happen, almost impossible for them not to have a short term impact but for long term gain.

the cruise companies could help here, the constant pIanning of having multiple vessels in on the same day puts too much pressure on everything. Why not the old sanatagen adage "one a day", just needs planning surely when creating the next years itineries.

Sending all traffic down the m271 when we have 2 other directions into the city is also naive.
Wrong. This shambles lies 100% at the desks at City Council.incompetent, no vision and no idea doesn't.t even begin to describe their uselessness.
You are a complete moron. On what planet do you believe the council has the powers to instruct cruise companies on when ship may dock or not.
[quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Echo, your 2 page paper story will play into Liverpool's hands. The roadworks have to happen, almost impossible for them not to have a short term impact but for long term gain. the cruise companies could help here, the constant pIanning of having multiple vessels in on the same day puts too much pressure on everything. Why not the old sanatagen adage "one a day", just needs planning surely when creating the next years itineries. Sending all traffic down the m271 when we have 2 other directions into the city is also naive.[/p][/quote]Wrong. This shambles lies 100% at the desks at City Council.incompetent, no vision and no idea doesn't.t even begin to describe their uselessness.[/p][/quote]You are a complete moron. On what planet do you believe the council has the powers to instruct cruise companies on when ship may dock or not. On the inside
  • Score: 2

11:55am Sat 11 Jan 14

chimneysweep 1234 says...

Who cares about bittern cabs anyway there a joke rude staff so no one cares
Who cares about bittern cabs anyway there a joke rude staff so no one cares chimneysweep 1234
  • Score: 4

11:59am Sat 11 Jan 14

downfader says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
50 years ago boat train expresses ran regularly from the docks when the ocean liners docked,and the only hold ups were in Canute Road when they crossed over from the docks,to Southampton Terminus station in route to London.
The old Terminus station should be reopened as a rail transfer point for the cruise liners,as it is practically in the docks,and passengers could be bussed to the terminal,in airport style fashion.
One of the biggest mistakes made however,and one which can never be rectified, was the termination of the M3 at Chilworth, and not taking it directly down into the town,and the docks.
As I said earlier there was very little private motor ownership. Its different now as everyone expects to be able to drive.

And true, the trains were more organised back then. But now its all done via haulage and HGV. I'm doubtful the haulage industry would accept a rail option.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: 50 years ago boat train expresses ran regularly from the docks when the ocean liners docked,and the only hold ups were in Canute Road when they crossed over from the docks,to Southampton Terminus station in route to London. The old Terminus station should be reopened as a rail transfer point for the cruise liners,as it is practically in the docks,and passengers could be bussed to the terminal,in airport style fashion. One of the biggest mistakes made however,and one which can never be rectified, was the termination of the M3 at Chilworth, and not taking it directly down into the town,and the docks.[/p][/quote]As I said earlier there was very little private motor ownership. Its different now as everyone expects to be able to drive. And true, the trains were more organised back then. But now its all done via haulage and HGV. I'm doubtful the haulage industry would accept a rail option. downfader
  • Score: 0

12:08pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

On the inside wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Echo, your 2 page paper story will play into Liverpool's hands. The roadworks have to happen, almost impossible for them not to have a short term impact but for long term gain.

the cruise companies could help here, the constant pIanning of having multiple vessels in on the same day puts too much pressure on everything. Why not the old sanatagen adage "one a day", just needs planning surely when creating the next years itineries.

Sending all traffic down the m271 when we have 2 other directions into the city is also naive.
Wrong. This shambles lies 100% at the desks at City Council.incompetent, no vision and no idea doesn't.t even begin to describe their uselessness.
You are a complete moron. On what planet do you believe the council has the powers to instruct cruise companies on when ship may dock or not.
Yes the word COMPLETE is very accurate ....... ha has left no stone unturned to achieve perfection
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Echo, your 2 page paper story will play into Liverpool's hands. The roadworks have to happen, almost impossible for them not to have a short term impact but for long term gain. the cruise companies could help here, the constant pIanning of having multiple vessels in on the same day puts too much pressure on everything. Why not the old sanatagen adage "one a day", just needs planning surely when creating the next years itineries. Sending all traffic down the m271 when we have 2 other directions into the city is also naive.[/p][/quote]Wrong. This shambles lies 100% at the desks at City Council.incompetent, no vision and no idea doesn't.t even begin to describe their uselessness.[/p][/quote]You are a complete moron. On what planet do you believe the council has the powers to instruct cruise companies on when ship may dock or not.[/p][/quote]Yes the word COMPLETE is very accurate ....... ha has left no stone unturned to achieve perfection Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 0

12:10pm Sat 11 Jan 14

rightway says...

bigfella777 wrote:
rightway wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
rightway wrote:
The price taxi's charge before a cab even moves, will make it hard for taxi firms to get any sympathy for their plight.
What £1.80 with West Quay? I think it's ok.
If you're happy to pay twice, firstly to sit in the cab then the fare for your actual journey, well done you.
Most people, in my humble opinion would prefer to only pay for the service provided, not for what is about to happen.
It's called a flag and goes back to the days of original Hackney carriages and means that you have entered into a contract with the driver for a service of travel, you obviously have no idea of how much it costs to run a cab.
Good for you don't use them.
Then the flag should be abolished so Hackney carriages can move with the times, no other mode of transport charges twice for the same fare.
If the cost to run a taxi is so great, why then are their so many, or is because being a taxi driver means you can sit on your back side all day moaning, whilst ripping punters of with outdated practices and extortionate fares.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: The price taxi's charge before a cab even moves, will make it hard for taxi firms to get any sympathy for their plight.[/p][/quote]What £1.80 with West Quay? I think it's ok.[/p][/quote]If you're happy to pay twice, firstly to sit in the cab then the fare for your actual journey, well done you. Most people, in my humble opinion would prefer to only pay for the service provided, not for what is about to happen.[/p][/quote]It's called a flag and goes back to the days of original Hackney carriages and means that you have entered into a contract with the driver for a service of travel, you obviously have no idea of how much it costs to run a cab. Good for you don't use them.[/p][/quote]Then the flag should be abolished so Hackney carriages can move with the times, no other mode of transport charges twice for the same fare. If the cost to run a taxi is so great, why then are their so many, or is because being a taxi driver means you can sit on your back side all day moaning, whilst ripping punters of with outdated practices and extortionate fares. rightway
  • Score: 5

12:11pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

bigfella777 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Db1985 wrote:
This is not good however the taxi firms are not helping themselves by quoting four times the usual taxi fair on New Year's Eve. I refuse to pay that and am aware that there were a lot of taxi drivers out of business that night as people opted to stay at home rather than being taken for a ride.
If event organisers went to SCC and said we want to have the Mela festival in Hoglands park, the Thai festival in Mayflower park, a Saints home game at Saint Marys, a pop festival on the common, the Sky ride through the city centre all on the same day, would they be stupid enough to agree to it???
I think probably not, so who exactly is it that allows 5 cruise ships to come in on the same day??
Is it the council or the port? Who has the final say, who makes the decision??
Why should the cruise industry be to the detriment of not just cabbies but every other business in the city, imagine all the businesses trying to move goods around, restaurants waiting for deliveries of food, people trying to get to red funnel, people trying to reach the train station, maybe somebody waiting for an ambulance?
Somebody sort it out so no more than 2 cruise ships can come in and then at different dock gates.
so you want this city to die then? the docks have been here longer than most of us & I've seen it when all berths have been full so let's not blame the ships.
why do so many people use this route when they know of the road works ?
surely there's Northam road or jump on the motorway & go around?
Why not shut the Itchen bridge for three days & see if this solves the problem?
I just wish people who can cast their minds back before the Itchen Bridge was built & try to remember what it was like across Northam Bridge?
Why is there no mention of the traffic on match days?
5thousand passengers on 5 cruise ships according to this joke of a paper brings chaos & even then they got it wrong there are not 5 cruise ships at dock gate 4 there are 2 but why is it with 25,000-28,000 football fans descending on St Mary's on a Saturday there are no reports of traffic chaos?
You are really making yourself look silly today, 5000 passengers on 5 cruise ships?
Try 4500 on each one and don't forget 4500 get off and then 4500 get on I make that at least 45000 people and you need to get out more if you think St Marys doesn't cause gridlock.
Ye you are quite correct.
.
In addition ... many of those people come by car ..... which is collected by a parking company and taken from the docke to park.
.
Furthermore .... the returning passengers have their cars delivered back to the docks from outside
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Db1985[/bold] wrote: This is not good however the taxi firms are not helping themselves by quoting four times the usual taxi fair on New Year's Eve. I refuse to pay that and am aware that there were a lot of taxi drivers out of business that night as people opted to stay at home rather than being taken for a ride.[/p][/quote]If event organisers went to SCC and said we want to have the Mela festival in Hoglands park, the Thai festival in Mayflower park, a Saints home game at Saint Marys, a pop festival on the common, the Sky ride through the city centre all on the same day, would they be stupid enough to agree to it??? I think probably not, so who exactly is it that allows 5 cruise ships to come in on the same day?? Is it the council or the port? Who has the final say, who makes the decision?? Why should the cruise industry be to the detriment of not just cabbies but every other business in the city, imagine all the businesses trying to move goods around, restaurants waiting for deliveries of food, people trying to get to red funnel, people trying to reach the train station, maybe somebody waiting for an ambulance? Somebody sort it out so no more than 2 cruise ships can come in and then at different dock gates.[/p][/quote]so you want this city to die then? the docks have been here longer than most of us & I've seen it when all berths have been full so let's not blame the ships. why do so many people use this route when they know of the road works ? surely there's Northam road or jump on the motorway & go around? Why not shut the Itchen bridge for three days & see if this solves the problem? I just wish people who can cast their minds back before the Itchen Bridge was built & try to remember what it was like across Northam Bridge? Why is there no mention of the traffic on match days? 5thousand passengers on 5 cruise ships according to this joke of a paper brings chaos & even then they got it wrong there are not 5 cruise ships at dock gate 4 there are 2 but why is it with 25,000-28,000 football fans descending on St Mary's on a Saturday there are no reports of traffic chaos?[/p][/quote]You are really making yourself look silly today, 5000 passengers on 5 cruise ships? Try 4500 on each one and don't forget 4500 get off and then 4500 get on I make that at least 45000 people and you need to get out more if you think St Marys doesn't cause gridlock.[/p][/quote]Ye you are quite correct. . In addition ... many of those people come by car ..... which is collected by a parking company and taken from the docke to park. . Furthermore .... the returning passengers have their cars delivered back to the docks from outside Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 0

12:11pm Sat 11 Jan 14

rightway says...

Then the flag should be abolished so Hackney carriages can move with the times, no other mode of transport charges twice for the same fare.
If the cost to run a taxi is so great, why then are their so many, or is because being a taxi driver means you can sit on your back side all day moaning, whilst ripping punters of with outdated practices and extortionate fares.
Then the flag should be abolished so Hackney carriages can move with the times, no other mode of transport charges twice for the same fare. If the cost to run a taxi is so great, why then are their so many, or is because being a taxi driver means you can sit on your back side all day moaning, whilst ripping punters of with outdated practices and extortionate fares. rightway
  • Score: 0

12:41pm Sat 11 Jan 14

03alpe01 says...

Graeme Harrison wrote:
If only we had an ice-rink, none of this would happen.
You are not funny.
[quote][p][bold]Graeme Harrison[/bold] wrote: If only we had an ice-rink, none of this would happen.[/p][/quote]You are not funny. 03alpe01
  • Score: -6

12:50pm Sat 11 Jan 14

in search of the truth says...

issacchunt wrote:
Echo, your 2 page paper story will play into Liverpool's hands. The roadworks have to happen, almost impossible for them not to have a short term impact but for long term gain.

the cruise companies could help here, the constant pIanning of having multiple vessels in on the same day puts too much pressure on everything. Why not the old sanatagen adage "one a day", just needs planning surely when creating the next years itineries.

Sending all traffic down the m271 when we have 2 other directions into the city is also naive.
Market forces will sort this mess out.
When the cruise passengers put in their complaints to the cruise operators and an analysis of passenger addresses is made the cruise companies will quickly realise that some of the ships should be based at other home ports than Southampton. The fact that people are expected to travel hundreds of miles in order to pick up a cruise ship at the cruise ship bus stops situated in Southampton is utterly ridiculous and this farce highlights the fact to existing passengers, potential passengers and the cruise lines.
There is very little in Southampton to interest to cruise passengers who are in transit, it's hardly an international city with a cultural diversity where one might stay for any period before or after a cruise, after this little episode it is clear that Southampton cannot cope with problems that affect most cities from time to time ( roadworks ).
The vast majority of these passengers never look around or spend money in Southampton and therefore Southampton gains no appreciable benefit from them, they are purely clogging up the roads to the cruise ship bus stops, in future however they may vote with their feet and complain to the cruise companies that this time, enough is enough and the cruise companies who have no particular loyalty may st5arting basing ships in other more interesting and closer ports to their customers.
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Echo, your 2 page paper story will play into Liverpool's hands. The roadworks have to happen, almost impossible for them not to have a short term impact but for long term gain. the cruise companies could help here, the constant pIanning of having multiple vessels in on the same day puts too much pressure on everything. Why not the old sanatagen adage "one a day", just needs planning surely when creating the next years itineries. Sending all traffic down the m271 when we have 2 other directions into the city is also naive.[/p][/quote]Market forces will sort this mess out. When the cruise passengers put in their complaints to the cruise operators and an analysis of passenger addresses is made the cruise companies will quickly realise that some of the ships should be based at other home ports than Southampton. The fact that people are expected to travel hundreds of miles in order to pick up a cruise ship at the cruise ship bus stops situated in Southampton is utterly ridiculous and this farce highlights the fact to existing passengers, potential passengers and the cruise lines. There is very little in Southampton to interest to cruise passengers who are in transit, it's hardly an international city with a cultural diversity where one might stay for any period before or after a cruise, after this little episode it is clear that Southampton cannot cope with problems that affect most cities from time to time ( roadworks ). The vast majority of these passengers never look around or spend money in Southampton and therefore Southampton gains no appreciable benefit from them, they are purely clogging up the roads to the cruise ship bus stops, in future however they may vote with their feet and complain to the cruise companies that this time, enough is enough and the cruise companies who have no particular loyalty may st5arting basing ships in other more interesting and closer ports to their customers. in search of the truth
  • Score: 4

12:50pm Sat 11 Jan 14

in search of the truth says...

issacchunt wrote:
Echo, your 2 page paper story will play into Liverpool's hands. The roadworks have to happen, almost impossible for them not to have a short term impact but for long term gain.

the cruise companies could help here, the constant pIanning of having multiple vessels in on the same day puts too much pressure on everything. Why not the old sanatagen adage "one a day", just needs planning surely when creating the next years itineries.

Sending all traffic down the m271 when we have 2 other directions into the city is also naive.
Market forces will sort this mess out.
When the cruise passengers put in their complaints to the cruise operators and an analysis of passenger addresses is made the cruise companies will quickly realise that some of the ships should be based at other home ports than Southampton. The fact that people are expected to travel hundreds of miles in order to pick up a cruise ship at the cruise ship bus stops situated in Southampton is utterly ridiculous and this farce highlights the fact to existing passengers, potential passengers and the cruise lines.
There is very little in Southampton to interest to cruise passengers who are in transit, it's hardly an international city with a cultural diversity where one might stay for any period before or after a cruise, after this little episode it is clear that Southampton cannot cope with problems that affect most cities from time to time ( roadworks ).
The vast majority of these passengers never look around or spend money in Southampton and therefore Southampton gains no appreciable benefit from them, they are purely clogging up the roads to the cruise ship bus stops, in future however they may vote with their feet and complain to the cruise companies that this time, enough is enough and the cruise companies who have no particular loyalty may st5arting basing ships in other more interesting and closer ports to their customers.
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Echo, your 2 page paper story will play into Liverpool's hands. The roadworks have to happen, almost impossible for them not to have a short term impact but for long term gain. the cruise companies could help here, the constant pIanning of having multiple vessels in on the same day puts too much pressure on everything. Why not the old sanatagen adage "one a day", just needs planning surely when creating the next years itineries. Sending all traffic down the m271 when we have 2 other directions into the city is also naive.[/p][/quote]Market forces will sort this mess out. When the cruise passengers put in their complaints to the cruise operators and an analysis of passenger addresses is made the cruise companies will quickly realise that some of the ships should be based at other home ports than Southampton. The fact that people are expected to travel hundreds of miles in order to pick up a cruise ship at the cruise ship bus stops situated in Southampton is utterly ridiculous and this farce highlights the fact to existing passengers, potential passengers and the cruise lines. There is very little in Southampton to interest to cruise passengers who are in transit, it's hardly an international city with a cultural diversity where one might stay for any period before or after a cruise, after this little episode it is clear that Southampton cannot cope with problems that affect most cities from time to time ( roadworks ). The vast majority of these passengers never look around or spend money in Southampton and therefore Southampton gains no appreciable benefit from them, they are purely clogging up the roads to the cruise ship bus stops, in future however they may vote with their feet and complain to the cruise companies that this time, enough is enough and the cruise companies who have no particular loyalty may st5arting basing ships in other more interesting and closer ports to their customers. in search of the truth
  • Score: 0

12:51pm Sat 11 Jan 14

03alpe01 says...

All hail King Liverpool. The REAL Cruise Capital!
All hail King Liverpool. The REAL Cruise Capital! 03alpe01
  • Score: -3

12:54pm Sat 11 Jan 14

issacchunt says...

On the inside wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
issacchunt wrote: Echo, your 2 page paper story will play into Liverpool's hands. The roadworks have to happen, almost impossible for them not to have a short term impact but for long term gain. the cruise companies could help here, the constant pIanning of having multiple vessels in on the same day puts too much pressure on everything. Why not the old sanatagen adage "one a day", just needs planning surely when creating the next years itineries. Sending all traffic down the m271 when we have 2 other directions into the city is also naive.
Wrong. This shambles lies 100% at the desks at City Council.incompetent, no vision and no idea doesn't.t even begin to describe their uselessness.
You are a complete moron. On what planet do you believe the council has the powers to instruct cruise companies on when ship may dock or not.
Negotiating not instructing, "moron"? Feel free to atrack but find a decent point first. Read what I'd written rather than interpret it wrongly. Cap and fit springs to mind.

cruise companies, council and everyone else will benefit with discussion and planning you numpty!

Where did I say instruct?????
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Echo, your 2 page paper story will play into Liverpool's hands. The roadworks have to happen, almost impossible for them not to have a short term impact but for long term gain. the cruise companies could help here, the constant pIanning of having multiple vessels in on the same day puts too much pressure on everything. Why not the old sanatagen adage "one a day", just needs planning surely when creating the next years itineries. Sending all traffic down the m271 when we have 2 other directions into the city is also naive.[/p][/quote]Wrong. This shambles lies 100% at the desks at City Council.incompetent, no vision and no idea doesn't.t even begin to describe their uselessness.[/p][/quote]You are a complete moron. On what planet do you believe the council has the powers to instruct cruise companies on when ship may dock or not.[/p][/quote]Negotiating not instructing, "moron"? Feel free to atrack but find a decent point first. Read what I'd written rather than interpret it wrongly. Cap and fit springs to mind. cruise companies, council and everyone else will benefit with discussion and planning you numpty! Where did I say instruct????? issacchunt
  • Score: 0

1:11pm Sat 11 Jan 14

warrens 76 says...

loosehead wrote:
bunch of hypocrites! why do Taxi drivers picking up cruise ship passengers from the New Docks insist on driving through town?
As I've said in another article My Friend came back on Friday from a cruise he lives in Tremona Rd.
he got a taxi that told him towns traffic was horrendous & it would take ages to get him home?
My friend said okay go through dock gate 20 the driver wasn't happy about this but did it.
now I went along Western Esplanade going out of town & the traffic up to where the police station is both ways was light so why aren't these drivers using this dock gate or dock gate 20?
It's okay for them to whinge on here but look at the pictures & see that taxi where's he come from?
The last council were in talks with ABP about the use of dock gate 20 for all traffic into the new docks did this council continue with those talks?
Ttraind are the key gorgive the pun…a drop off point like Parkway and a special cruise train could SO stop this nonsense..
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: bunch of hypocrites! why do Taxi drivers picking up cruise ship passengers from the New Docks insist on driving through town? As I've said in another article My Friend came back on Friday from a cruise he lives in Tremona Rd. he got a taxi that told him towns traffic was horrendous & it would take ages to get him home? My friend said okay go through dock gate 20 the driver wasn't happy about this but did it. now I went along Western Esplanade going out of town & the traffic up to where the police station is both ways was light so why aren't these drivers using this dock gate or dock gate 20? It's okay for them to whinge on here but look at the pictures & see that taxi where's he come from? The last council were in talks with ABP about the use of dock gate 20 for all traffic into the new docks did this council continue with those talks?[/p][/quote]Ttraind are the key gorgive the pun…a drop off point like Parkway and a special cruise train could SO stop this nonsense.. warrens 76
  • Score: 1

3:16pm Sat 11 Jan 14

loosehead says...

bigfella777 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Db1985 wrote:
This is not good however the taxi firms are not helping themselves by quoting four times the usual taxi fair on New Year's Eve. I refuse to pay that and am aware that there were a lot of taxi drivers out of business that night as people opted to stay at home rather than being taken for a ride.
If event organisers went to SCC and said we want to have the Mela festival in Hoglands park, the Thai festival in Mayflower park, a Saints home game at Saint Marys, a pop festival on the common, the Sky ride through the city centre all on the same day, would they be stupid enough to agree to it???
I think probably not, so who exactly is it that allows 5 cruise ships to come in on the same day??
Is it the council or the port? Who has the final say, who makes the decision??
Why should the cruise industry be to the detriment of not just cabbies but every other business in the city, imagine all the businesses trying to move goods around, restaurants waiting for deliveries of food, people trying to get to red funnel, people trying to reach the train station, maybe somebody waiting for an ambulance?
Somebody sort it out so no more than 2 cruise ships can come in and then at different dock gates.
so you want this city to die then? the docks have been here longer than most of us & I've seen it when all berths have been full so let's not blame the ships.
why do so many people use this route when they know of the road works ?
surely there's Northam road or jump on the motorway & go around?
Why not shut the Itchen bridge for three days & see if this solves the problem?
I just wish people who can cast their minds back before the Itchen Bridge was built & try to remember what it was like across Northam Bridge?
Why is there no mention of the traffic on match days?
5thousand passengers on 5 cruise ships according to this joke of a paper brings chaos & even then they got it wrong there are not 5 cruise ships at dock gate 4 there are 2 but why is it with 25,000-28,000 football fans descending on St Mary's on a Saturday there are no reports of traffic chaos?
You are really making yourself look silly today, 5000 passengers on 5 cruise ships?
Try 4500 on each one and don't forget 4500 get off and then 4500 get on I make that at least 45000 people and you need to get out more if you think St Marys doesn't cause gridlock.
you attack my post but did you really read it? I was trying to get the point over that the Echo & other posters on here seem to think it's only the cruise ships that cause this problem yet no mention of St Mary's on match days?
You have two bottlenecks on this route around the old part of town .
you start with a dual carriageway called western esplanade then bottleneck called the Royal pier & Red Funnels then it opened up to one way traffic which they're now altering at dock gate 4 then you have another bottleneck at the old BBC building down to the bridge.
how are we going to widen the roads at those two points? make traffic going to the bridge one way turning left at that building & over the other bridge & traffic from Itchen bridge turning left down to dock gate 4?
I can't see the problem from the east of the city going away with or with out the cruise ships unless this type of action happens.
from the west all traffic going into the new docks must enter at dock gate 20 or 10 ( flour mill) & exit these gates but really on Friday at 15.00 traffic going out of town that way was quite quiet & the in road was quiet as well so again this all seems to point out to the entrance & exit of Itchen Bridge so again street planners/traffic control must look at how to get this traffic free flowing.
People must stop blaming Cruise ships or let Liverpool rub it's hands with glee as the ships sail on up there
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Db1985[/bold] wrote: This is not good however the taxi firms are not helping themselves by quoting four times the usual taxi fair on New Year's Eve. I refuse to pay that and am aware that there were a lot of taxi drivers out of business that night as people opted to stay at home rather than being taken for a ride.[/p][/quote]If event organisers went to SCC and said we want to have the Mela festival in Hoglands park, the Thai festival in Mayflower park, a Saints home game at Saint Marys, a pop festival on the common, the Sky ride through the city centre all on the same day, would they be stupid enough to agree to it??? I think probably not, so who exactly is it that allows 5 cruise ships to come in on the same day?? Is it the council or the port? Who has the final say, who makes the decision?? Why should the cruise industry be to the detriment of not just cabbies but every other business in the city, imagine all the businesses trying to move goods around, restaurants waiting for deliveries of food, people trying to get to red funnel, people trying to reach the train station, maybe somebody waiting for an ambulance? Somebody sort it out so no more than 2 cruise ships can come in and then at different dock gates.[/p][/quote]so you want this city to die then? the docks have been here longer than most of us & I've seen it when all berths have been full so let's not blame the ships. why do so many people use this route when they know of the road works ? surely there's Northam road or jump on the motorway & go around? Why not shut the Itchen bridge for three days & see if this solves the problem? I just wish people who can cast their minds back before the Itchen Bridge was built & try to remember what it was like across Northam Bridge? Why is there no mention of the traffic on match days? 5thousand passengers on 5 cruise ships according to this joke of a paper brings chaos & even then they got it wrong there are not 5 cruise ships at dock gate 4 there are 2 but why is it with 25,000-28,000 football fans descending on St Mary's on a Saturday there are no reports of traffic chaos?[/p][/quote]You are really making yourself look silly today, 5000 passengers on 5 cruise ships? Try 4500 on each one and don't forget 4500 get off and then 4500 get on I make that at least 45000 people and you need to get out more if you think St Marys doesn't cause gridlock.[/p][/quote]you attack my post but did you really read it? I was trying to get the point over that the Echo & other posters on here seem to think it's only the cruise ships that cause this problem yet no mention of St Mary's on match days? You have two bottlenecks on this route around the old part of town . you start with a dual carriageway called western esplanade then bottleneck called the Royal pier & Red Funnels then it opened up to one way traffic which they're now altering at dock gate 4 then you have another bottleneck at the old BBC building down to the bridge. how are we going to widen the roads at those two points? make traffic going to the bridge one way turning left at that building & over the other bridge & traffic from Itchen bridge turning left down to dock gate 4? I can't see the problem from the east of the city going away with or with out the cruise ships unless this type of action happens. from the west all traffic going into the new docks must enter at dock gate 20 or 10 ( flour mill) & exit these gates but really on Friday at 15.00 traffic going out of town that way was quite quiet & the in road was quiet as well so again this all seems to point out to the entrance & exit of Itchen Bridge so again street planners/traffic control must look at how to get this traffic free flowing. People must stop blaming Cruise ships or let Liverpool rub it's hands with glee as the ships sail on up there loosehead
  • Score: 3

3:18pm Sat 11 Jan 14

loosehead says...

bigfella777 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bunch of hypocrites! why do Taxi drivers picking up cruise ship passengers from the New Docks insist on driving through town?
As I've said in another article My Friend came back on Friday from a cruise he lives in Tremona Rd.
he got a taxi that told him towns traffic was horrendous & it would take ages to get him home?
My friend said okay go through dock gate 20 the driver wasn't happy about this but did it.
now I went along Western Esplanade going out of town & the traffic up to where the police station is both ways was light so why aren't these drivers using this dock gate or dock gate 20?
It's okay for them to whinge on here but look at the pictures & see that taxi where's he come from?
The last council were in talks with ABP about the use of dock gate 20 for all traffic into the new docks did this council continue with those talks?
How do you get to dock gate 4 through dock gate 20, think before you comment.
bigfella my friends ship along with two more weren't in dock gate 4 they were in the new docks.
It was trhe Echo who somehow put 5 ships at dock gate4
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: bunch of hypocrites! why do Taxi drivers picking up cruise ship passengers from the New Docks insist on driving through town? As I've said in another article My Friend came back on Friday from a cruise he lives in Tremona Rd. he got a taxi that told him towns traffic was horrendous & it would take ages to get him home? My friend said okay go through dock gate 20 the driver wasn't happy about this but did it. now I went along Western Esplanade going out of town & the traffic up to where the police station is both ways was light so why aren't these drivers using this dock gate or dock gate 20? It's okay for them to whinge on here but look at the pictures & see that taxi where's he come from? The last council were in talks with ABP about the use of dock gate 20 for all traffic into the new docks did this council continue with those talks?[/p][/quote]How do you get to dock gate 4 through dock gate 20, think before you comment.[/p][/quote]bigfella my friends ship along with two more weren't in dock gate 4 they were in the new docks. It was trhe Echo who somehow put 5 ships at dock gate4 loosehead
  • Score: 0

3:43pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Micle1974 says...

The Avenue & Thomas Lewis Way should have propped painted lines to show 2 lanes of traffic in each direction.
The Avenue & Thomas Lewis Way should have propped painted lines to show 2 lanes of traffic in each direction. Micle1974
  • Score: -3

5:00pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Mary80 says...

Southampton needs a monorail!
Southampton needs a monorail! Mary80
  • Score: 4

6:20pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Yura Nicced says...

Db1985 wrote:
This is not good however the taxi firms are not helping themselves by quoting four times the usual taxi fair on New Year's Eve. I refuse to pay that and am aware that there were a lot of taxi drivers out of business that night as people opted to stay at home rather than being taken for a ride.
It was NOT four times but double the day fare - presumably another dodgy taxi driver trying it on - did u bother to report the driver, I doubt it - a d therein lies the problem
[quote][p][bold]Db1985[/bold] wrote: This is not good however the taxi firms are not helping themselves by quoting four times the usual taxi fair on New Year's Eve. I refuse to pay that and am aware that there were a lot of taxi drivers out of business that night as people opted to stay at home rather than being taken for a ride.[/p][/quote]It was NOT four times but double the day fare - presumably another dodgy taxi driver trying it on - did u bother to report the driver, I doubt it - a d therein lies the problem Yura Nicced
  • Score: 0

7:02pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Turtlebay says...

It's not rocket science!

Only allow one cruise ship in per day.

Problem solved!
It's not rocket science! Only allow one cruise ship in per day. Problem solved! Turtlebay
  • Score: 1

9:06pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Mary80 says...

Taxis are far far cheaper up north no idea why they charge so much down here
Taxis are far far cheaper up north no idea why they charge so much down here Mary80
  • Score: 2

10:18pm Sat 11 Jan 14

03alpe01 says...

Graeme Harrison wrote:
If only we had an ice-rink, none of this would happen.
Actually you're right. I went to the ice rink in Basingstoke this evening and despite it being jam packed and feasibility studies having shown that if an ice rink was in the right place and run by the right people down here it would work and run at a profit I think it would help solve the traffic problems. Nobody would go to the ice rink, thus causing the City Centre to become a ghost town and ending the traffic misery in the City Centre. Using your logic.
[quote][p][bold]Graeme Harrison[/bold] wrote: If only we had an ice-rink, none of this would happen.[/p][/quote]Actually you're right. I went to the ice rink in Basingstoke this evening and despite it being jam packed and feasibility studies having shown that if an ice rink was in the right place and run by the right people down here it would work and run at a profit I think it would help solve the traffic problems. Nobody would go to the ice rink, thus causing the City Centre to become a ghost town and ending the traffic misery in the City Centre. Using your logic. 03alpe01
  • Score: -2

3:12pm Sun 12 Jan 14

gilbertratchet says...

Decimated? I presume he has documentary evidence of this. Or does he not know what the word actually means?
Decimated? I presume he has documentary evidence of this. Or does he not know what the word actually means? gilbertratchet
  • Score: 1

4:36pm Sun 12 Jan 14

george h says...

Datarater wrote:
Labour and planning, what fun.
Labour and planning in the same sentence is an oxymoron.
[quote][p][bold]Datarater[/bold] wrote: Labour and planning, what fun.[/p][/quote]Labour and planning in the same sentence is an oxymoron. george h
  • Score: 0

4:52pm Sun 12 Jan 14

george h says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
50 years ago boat train expresses ran regularly from the docks when the ocean liners docked,and the only hold ups were in Canute Road when they crossed over from the docks,to Southampton Terminus station in route to London.
The old Terminus station should be reopened as a rail transfer point for the cruise liners,as it is practically in the docks,and passengers could be bussed to the terminal,in airport style fashion.
One of the biggest mistakes made however,and one which can never be rectified, was the termination of the M3 at Chilworth, and not taking it directly down into the town,and the docks.
"One of the biggest mistakes made however,and one which can never be rectified, was the termination of the M3 at Chilworth, and not taking it directly down into the town,and the docks."

Precisely!

And another victory for Labour planning with the utterly useless John Arnold as the then Labour Group Leader. Or should the be Failed-Leader?

Arnold chose to cancel the motorway connection into the city with a terminal where IKEA is now, because it would run though the predominantly Labour-voting areas of Bevois.

As always Labour put Party before duty to the city.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: 50 years ago boat train expresses ran regularly from the docks when the ocean liners docked,and the only hold ups were in Canute Road when they crossed over from the docks,to Southampton Terminus station in route to London. The old Terminus station should be reopened as a rail transfer point for the cruise liners,as it is practically in the docks,and passengers could be bussed to the terminal,in airport style fashion. One of the biggest mistakes made however,and one which can never be rectified, was the termination of the M3 at Chilworth, and not taking it directly down into the town,and the docks.[/p][/quote]"One of the biggest mistakes made however,and one which can never be rectified, was the termination of the M3 at Chilworth, and not taking it directly down into the town,and the docks." Precisely! And another victory for Labour planning with the utterly useless John Arnold as the then Labour Group Leader. Or should the be Failed-Leader? Arnold chose to cancel the motorway connection into the city with a terminal where IKEA is now, because it would run though the predominantly Labour-voting areas of Bevois. As always Labour put Party before duty to the city. george h
  • Score: 1

4:54pm Sun 12 Jan 14

george h says...

Mary80 wrote:
Taxis are far far cheaper up north no idea why they charge so much down here
The answer is simple enough Mary.

GREED.
[quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: Taxis are far far cheaper up north no idea why they charge so much down here[/p][/quote]The answer is simple enough Mary. GREED. george h
  • Score: -2

4:58pm Sun 12 Jan 14

george h says...

Turtlebay wrote:
It's not rocket science!

Only allow one cruise ship in per day.

Problem solved!
Sadly you are not very knowledgeable on rocket science.

Shipping companies are infinitely flexible. If this port doesn't want them at a time of their choosing they'll berth elsewhere. Liverpool perhaps.

Problem solved!
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: It's not rocket science! Only allow one cruise ship in per day. Problem solved![/p][/quote]Sadly you are not very knowledgeable on rocket science. Shipping companies are infinitely flexible. If this port doesn't want them at a time of their choosing they'll berth elsewhere. Liverpool perhaps. Problem solved! george h
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8:21pm Sun 12 Jan 14

st1halo says...

Of course people will want to come to Southampton.
We have surely amassed one of the greatest collections of traffic lights in the world. The best way to see this collection is by a slow meandering drive through the city.

Good work SCC!
Of course people will want to come to Southampton. We have surely amassed one of the greatest collections of traffic lights in the world. The best way to see this collection is by a slow meandering drive through the city. Good work SCC! st1halo
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8:30pm Sun 12 Jan 14

in search of the truth says...

Having studied postings on this site over many months , your own posters seem to agree with what I am trying to say , mainly that Southampton has no idea how to project and market itself so as to benefit from what is essentially a captive audience ( In plain language, making the most of the visitors that it gets within its city boundary who are here to embark or disembark on a cruise ). Most people who post on this site ( check for yourself if you don't believe me ), state that Southampton has virtually nothing to interest people passing through it , therefore it is simply a cruise ship bus stop and nothing more.
Having studied postings on this site over many months , your own posters seem to agree with what I am trying to say , mainly that Southampton has no idea how to project and market itself so as to benefit from what is essentially a captive audience ( In plain language, making the most of the visitors that it gets within its city boundary who are here to embark or disembark on a cruise ). Most people who post on this site ( check for yourself if you don't believe me ), state that Southampton has virtually nothing to interest people passing through it , therefore it is simply a cruise ship bus stop and nothing more. in search of the truth
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9:01pm Sun 12 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Turtlebay wrote:
It's not rocket science!

Only allow one cruise ship in per day.

Problem solved!
so your saying to a thriving industry we're going to curtail your business?
do you really want to see the death of the docks & the loss of jobs that will be lost when the docks is no longer a functioning port?
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: It's not rocket science! Only allow one cruise ship in per day. Problem solved![/p][/quote]so your saying to a thriving industry we're going to curtail your business? do you really want to see the death of the docks & the loss of jobs that will be lost when the docks is no longer a functioning port? loosehead
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9:13pm Sun 12 Jan 14

loosehead says...

in search of the truth wrote:
Having studied postings on this site over many months , your own posters seem to agree with what I am trying to say , mainly that Southampton has no idea how to project and market itself so as to benefit from what is essentially a captive audience ( In plain language, making the most of the visitors that it gets within its city boundary who are here to embark or disembark on a cruise ). Most people who post on this site ( check for yourself if you don't believe me ), state that Southampton has virtually nothing to interest people passing through it , therefore it is simply a cruise ship bus stop and nothing more.
If we actually restored or made safe many of the Historic buildings we have here which by the way are far older than anything I saw in Liverpool & opened them to the public the Tourists would flock here.
we have King Canutes Palace & the place where he tried to stop the water/waves.
We have the place where HenryV held court we have many of the walls & gates of the old castle of Southampton so we do have a lot of old & modern sites of interest.
Our problem is two fold 1/ no one has made the old buildings safe(not all of them) for people to look around I remember going up & looking over the battlements of the Bargate as far as I know we can't do that now.
2/ unlike your hotels there's no map given out to the guests at the hotels showing places to go & of interest here the tory council were in talks with the cruise lines & hotels to make something like this happen but the unions forced them out of power.
If those two things could happen maybe the passengers & others would stay here & look at our city but then I guess people would be on here complaining there were to many tourists & that's why our roads are chocker instead of looking closer at home just look for a scapegoat seems to be the attitude of some of this city
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: Having studied postings on this site over many months , your own posters seem to agree with what I am trying to say , mainly that Southampton has no idea how to project and market itself so as to benefit from what is essentially a captive audience ( In plain language, making the most of the visitors that it gets within its city boundary who are here to embark or disembark on a cruise ). Most people who post on this site ( check for yourself if you don't believe me ), state that Southampton has virtually nothing to interest people passing through it , therefore it is simply a cruise ship bus stop and nothing more.[/p][/quote]If we actually restored or made safe many of the Historic buildings we have here which by the way are far older than anything I saw in Liverpool & opened them to the public the Tourists would flock here. we have King Canutes Palace & the place where he tried to stop the water/waves. We have the place where HenryV held court we have many of the walls & gates of the old castle of Southampton so we do have a lot of old & modern sites of interest. Our problem is two fold 1/ no one has made the old buildings safe(not all of them) for people to look around I remember going up & looking over the battlements of the Bargate as far as I know we can't do that now. 2/ unlike your hotels there's no map given out to the guests at the hotels showing places to go & of interest here the tory council were in talks with the cruise lines & hotels to make something like this happen but the unions forced them out of power. If those two things could happen maybe the passengers & others would stay here & look at our city but then I guess people would be on here complaining there were to many tourists & that's why our roads are chocker instead of looking closer at home just look for a scapegoat seems to be the attitude of some of this city loosehead
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10:59pm Sun 12 Jan 14

in search of the truth says...

loosehead wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
Having studied postings on this site over many months , your own posters seem to agree with what I am trying to say , mainly that Southampton has no idea how to project and market itself so as to benefit from what is essentially a captive audience ( In plain language, making the most of the visitors that it gets within its city boundary who are here to embark or disembark on a cruise ). Most people who post on this site ( check for yourself if you don't believe me ), state that Southampton has virtually nothing to interest people passing through it , therefore it is simply a cruise ship bus stop and nothing more.
If we actually restored or made safe many of the Historic buildings we have here which by the way are far older than anything I saw in Liverpool & opened them to the public the Tourists would flock here.
we have King Canutes Palace & the place where he tried to stop the water/waves.
We have the place where HenryV held court we have many of the walls & gates of the old castle of Southampton so we do have a lot of old & modern sites of interest.
Our problem is two fold 1/ no one has made the old buildings safe(not all of them) for people to look around I remember going up & looking over the battlements of the Bargate as far as I know we can't do that now.
2/ unlike your hotels there's no map given out to the guests at the hotels showing places to go & of interest here the tory council were in talks with the cruise lines & hotels to make something like this happen but the unions forced them out of power.
If those two things could happen maybe the passengers & others would stay here & look at our city but then I guess people would be on here complaining there were to many tourists & that's why our roads are chocker instead of looking closer at home just look for a scapegoat seems to be the attitude of some of this city
It is up to the people of Southampton to put pressure on their Councillors to properly present and promote your city. The city must have some sort of tourist information department and an organisation representing the hotels in the city, these need to work together to showcase whatever Southampton has to offer visitors. Some people think that this sort of thing is a waste of resources, believe me the tourist industry is worth milions of pounds to any city that has the balls to invest in it.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: Having studied postings on this site over many months , your own posters seem to agree with what I am trying to say , mainly that Southampton has no idea how to project and market itself so as to benefit from what is essentially a captive audience ( In plain language, making the most of the visitors that it gets within its city boundary who are here to embark or disembark on a cruise ). Most people who post on this site ( check for yourself if you don't believe me ), state that Southampton has virtually nothing to interest people passing through it , therefore it is simply a cruise ship bus stop and nothing more.[/p][/quote]If we actually restored or made safe many of the Historic buildings we have here which by the way are far older than anything I saw in Liverpool & opened them to the public the Tourists would flock here. we have King Canutes Palace & the place where he tried to stop the water/waves. We have the place where HenryV held court we have many of the walls & gates of the old castle of Southampton so we do have a lot of old & modern sites of interest. Our problem is two fold 1/ no one has made the old buildings safe(not all of them) for people to look around I remember going up & looking over the battlements of the Bargate as far as I know we can't do that now. 2/ unlike your hotels there's no map given out to the guests at the hotels showing places to go & of interest here the tory council were in talks with the cruise lines & hotels to make something like this happen but the unions forced them out of power. If those two things could happen maybe the passengers & others would stay here & look at our city but then I guess people would be on here complaining there were to many tourists & that's why our roads are chocker instead of looking closer at home just look for a scapegoat seems to be the attitude of some of this city[/p][/quote]It is up to the people of Southampton to put pressure on their Councillors to properly present and promote your city. The city must have some sort of tourist information department and an organisation representing the hotels in the city, these need to work together to showcase whatever Southampton has to offer visitors. Some people think that this sort of thing is a waste of resources, believe me the tourist industry is worth milions of pounds to any city that has the balls to invest in it. in search of the truth
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11:40pm Sun 12 Jan 14

03alpe01 says...

in search of the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
Having studied postings on this site over many months , your own posters seem to agree with what I am trying to say , mainly that Southampton has no idea how to project and market itself so as to benefit from what is essentially a captive audience ( In plain language, making the most of the visitors that it gets within its city boundary who are here to embark or disembark on a cruise ). Most people who post on this site ( check for yourself if you don't believe me ), state that Southampton has virtually nothing to interest people passing through it , therefore it is simply a cruise ship bus stop and nothing more.
If we actually restored or made safe many of the Historic buildings we have here which by the way are far older than anything I saw in Liverpool & opened them to the public the Tourists would flock here.
we have King Canutes Palace & the place where he tried to stop the water/waves.
We have the place where HenryV held court we have many of the walls & gates of the old castle of Southampton so we do have a lot of old & modern sites of interest.
Our problem is two fold 1/ no one has made the old buildings safe(not all of them) for people to look around I remember going up & looking over the battlements of the Bargate as far as I know we can't do that now.
2/ unlike your hotels there's no map given out to the guests at the hotels showing places to go & of interest here the tory council were in talks with the cruise lines & hotels to make something like this happen but the unions forced them out of power.
If those two things could happen maybe the passengers & others would stay here & look at our city but then I guess people would be on here complaining there were to many tourists & that's why our roads are chocker instead of looking closer at home just look for a scapegoat seems to be the attitude of some of this city
It is up to the people of Southampton to put pressure on their Councillors to properly present and promote your city. The city must have some sort of tourist information department and an organisation representing the hotels in the city, these need to work together to showcase whatever Southampton has to offer visitors. Some people think that this sort of thing is a waste of resources, believe me the tourist industry is worth milions of pounds to any city that has the balls to invest in it.
The people of Southampton do put pressure on the Council to promote the City and to give it to things that will bring people in, problem is they don't listen. They claim to have no money and think that they know best. Most of what Southampton needs done can be part-funded by a Heritage Grant, such as the historic buildings etc and the Spitfire Memorial, but nope. There is no such thing as a tourist information department here, just a poxy computer in that overpriced junk museum. Concert Arena would bring people in. An Ice Rink would bring people in, despite what you might read on here, promoting our history would bring people in. But hey, let's just extend West Quay and not give a toss about anything else because we are Southampton City Council and we know best!
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: Having studied postings on this site over many months , your own posters seem to agree with what I am trying to say , mainly that Southampton has no idea how to project and market itself so as to benefit from what is essentially a captive audience ( In plain language, making the most of the visitors that it gets within its city boundary who are here to embark or disembark on a cruise ). Most people who post on this site ( check for yourself if you don't believe me ), state that Southampton has virtually nothing to interest people passing through it , therefore it is simply a cruise ship bus stop and nothing more.[/p][/quote]If we actually restored or made safe many of the Historic buildings we have here which by the way are far older than anything I saw in Liverpool & opened them to the public the Tourists would flock here. we have King Canutes Palace & the place where he tried to stop the water/waves. We have the place where HenryV held court we have many of the walls & gates of the old castle of Southampton so we do have a lot of old & modern sites of interest. Our problem is two fold 1/ no one has made the old buildings safe(not all of them) for people to look around I remember going up & looking over the battlements of the Bargate as far as I know we can't do that now. 2/ unlike your hotels there's no map given out to the guests at the hotels showing places to go & of interest here the tory council were in talks with the cruise lines & hotels to make something like this happen but the unions forced them out of power. If those two things could happen maybe the passengers & others would stay here & look at our city but then I guess people would be on here complaining there were to many tourists & that's why our roads are chocker instead of looking closer at home just look for a scapegoat seems to be the attitude of some of this city[/p][/quote]It is up to the people of Southampton to put pressure on their Councillors to properly present and promote your city. The city must have some sort of tourist information department and an organisation representing the hotels in the city, these need to work together to showcase whatever Southampton has to offer visitors. Some people think that this sort of thing is a waste of resources, believe me the tourist industry is worth milions of pounds to any city that has the balls to invest in it.[/p][/quote]The people of Southampton do put pressure on the Council to promote the City and to give it to things that will bring people in, problem is they don't listen. They claim to have no money and think that they know best. Most of what Southampton needs done can be part-funded by a Heritage Grant, such as the historic buildings etc and the Spitfire Memorial, but nope. There is no such thing as a tourist information department here, just a poxy computer in that overpriced junk museum. Concert Arena would bring people in. An Ice Rink would bring people in, despite what you might read on here, promoting our history would bring people in. But hey, let's just extend West Quay and not give a toss about anything else because we are Southampton City Council and we know best! 03alpe01
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9:27am Mon 13 Jan 14

in search of the truth says...

03alpe01 wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
Having studied postings on this site over many months , your own posters seem to agree with what I am trying to say , mainly that Southampton has no idea how to project and market itself so as to benefit from what is essentially a captive audience ( In plain language, making the most of the visitors that it gets within its city boundary who are here to embark or disembark on a cruise ). Most people who post on this site ( check for yourself if you don't believe me ), state that Southampton has virtually nothing to interest people passing through it , therefore it is simply a cruise ship bus stop and nothing more.
If we actually restored or made safe many of the Historic buildings we have here which by the way are far older than anything I saw in Liverpool & opened them to the public the Tourists would flock here.
we have King Canutes Palace & the place where he tried to stop the water/waves.
We have the place where HenryV held court we have many of the walls & gates of the old castle of Southampton so we do have a lot of old & modern sites of interest.
Our problem is two fold 1/ no one has made the old buildings safe(not all of them) for people to look around I remember going up & looking over the battlements of the Bargate as far as I know we can't do that now.
2/ unlike your hotels there's no map given out to the guests at the hotels showing places to go & of interest here the tory council were in talks with the cruise lines & hotels to make something like this happen but the unions forced them out of power.
If those two things could happen maybe the passengers & others would stay here & look at our city but then I guess people would be on here complaining there were to many tourists & that's why our roads are chocker instead of looking closer at home just look for a scapegoat seems to be the attitude of some of this city
It is up to the people of Southampton to put pressure on their Councillors to properly present and promote your city. The city must have some sort of tourist information department and an organisation representing the hotels in the city, these need to work together to showcase whatever Southampton has to offer visitors. Some people think that this sort of thing is a waste of resources, believe me the tourist industry is worth milions of pounds to any city that has the balls to invest in it.
The people of Southampton do put pressure on the Council to promote the City and to give it to things that will bring people in, problem is they don't listen. They claim to have no money and think that they know best. Most of what Southampton needs done can be part-funded by a Heritage Grant, such as the historic buildings etc and the Spitfire Memorial, but nope. There is no such thing as a tourist information department here, just a poxy computer in that overpriced junk museum. Concert Arena would bring people in. An Ice Rink would bring people in, despite what you might read on here, promoting our history would bring people in. But hey, let's just extend West Quay and not give a toss about anything else because we are Southampton City Council and we know best!
All I can say as an outsider reading your reply is :-

" SOUTHAMPTON DON'T STAND A HOPE IN HELL OF EVER PROJECTING THEMSELVES AS A FORWARD LOOKING DYNAMIC CITY THAT KNOWS WHERE IT WANTS TO BE IN 10 YEARS TIME "

Your council are absolute rubbish ( no matter which party is in power ), things will not change until you put pressure on your council to act responsibly in the interests of your city and its people.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: Having studied postings on this site over many months , your own posters seem to agree with what I am trying to say , mainly that Southampton has no idea how to project and market itself so as to benefit from what is essentially a captive audience ( In plain language, making the most of the visitors that it gets within its city boundary who are here to embark or disembark on a cruise ). Most people who post on this site ( check for yourself if you don't believe me ), state that Southampton has virtually nothing to interest people passing through it , therefore it is simply a cruise ship bus stop and nothing more.[/p][/quote]If we actually restored or made safe many of the Historic buildings we have here which by the way are far older than anything I saw in Liverpool & opened them to the public the Tourists would flock here. we have King Canutes Palace & the place where he tried to stop the water/waves. We have the place where HenryV held court we have many of the walls & gates of the old castle of Southampton so we do have a lot of old & modern sites of interest. Our problem is two fold 1/ no one has made the old buildings safe(not all of them) for people to look around I remember going up & looking over the battlements of the Bargate as far as I know we can't do that now. 2/ unlike your hotels there's no map given out to the guests at the hotels showing places to go & of interest here the tory council were in talks with the cruise lines & hotels to make something like this happen but the unions forced them out of power. If those two things could happen maybe the passengers & others would stay here & look at our city but then I guess people would be on here complaining there were to many tourists & that's why our roads are chocker instead of looking closer at home just look for a scapegoat seems to be the attitude of some of this city[/p][/quote]It is up to the people of Southampton to put pressure on their Councillors to properly present and promote your city. The city must have some sort of tourist information department and an organisation representing the hotels in the city, these need to work together to showcase whatever Southampton has to offer visitors. Some people think that this sort of thing is a waste of resources, believe me the tourist industry is worth milions of pounds to any city that has the balls to invest in it.[/p][/quote]The people of Southampton do put pressure on the Council to promote the City and to give it to things that will bring people in, problem is they don't listen. They claim to have no money and think that they know best. Most of what Southampton needs done can be part-funded by a Heritage Grant, such as the historic buildings etc and the Spitfire Memorial, but nope. There is no such thing as a tourist information department here, just a poxy computer in that overpriced junk museum. Concert Arena would bring people in. An Ice Rink would bring people in, despite what you might read on here, promoting our history would bring people in. But hey, let's just extend West Quay and not give a toss about anything else because we are Southampton City Council and we know best![/p][/quote]All I can say as an outsider reading your reply is :- " SOUTHAMPTON DON'T STAND A HOPE IN HELL OF EVER PROJECTING THEMSELVES AS A FORWARD LOOKING DYNAMIC CITY THAT KNOWS WHERE IT WANTS TO BE IN 10 YEARS TIME " Your council are absolute rubbish ( no matter which party is in power ), things will not change until you put pressure on your council to act responsibly in the interests of your city and its people. in search of the truth
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