People forced to urinate in road after getting stuck for three hours on major Southampton road

Daily Echo: Demands for answers after drivers trapped for three hours in Southampton gridlock Demands for answers after drivers trapped for three hours in Southampton gridlock

SERIOUS questions were today being asked of Southampton's transport chiefs after parts of the city came to a standstill - again.

Another horrendous day of city centre gridlock left furious motorists stuck in traffic for more than three hours as they tried to negotiate a major route to the docks.

The city’s traffic network failed to cope with the boarding of five cruise ships and buckled with the added pressure of extensive road works.

The chaos – last night branded “an embarrassment” – led to nearly three miles of tailbacks as traffic backed up from Millbrook Road West to past Ocean Village from as early as 6am yesterday.

And as the day wore on things failed to improve – they just got worse.

Cruise passengers were forced to abandon their taxis and drag heavy luggage to cruise terminals in pouring rain, while businesses in the area said they hit in the pocket by the congestion.

There were even reports of people, including a pensioner, having to urinate on the side of the road after the wait became unbearable.

Today serious questions are being asked about why nothing was done to ease the gridlock on one of the busiest days in the city – which had been in the planning for months.

But those questions fell on deaf ears last night with Cllr Jacqui Rayment, the city councillor and Cabinet member responsible for transport, nowhere to be found.

Instead, a statement attributed to her was released by Southampton City Council’s press office in which she said: “We’re aware that drivers have been experiencing delays in the city centre and we regret any inconvenience caused.”

‘Not good enough’, say opposition councillors, who described the disruption as “embarrassing” and labelled Cllr Rayment’s response as a “PR disaster”.

Even the city’s taxi firms said the jams hit them in the pocket and one company considered stopping sending cabs to the congested area.

But Cllr Royston Smith, leader of Southampton’s Conservative party, said the “buck stops” with Cllr Rayment.

He said: “I think it’s dreadful. The last time it happened we had the same line from them.

“There is no point of being aware of the problem, someone needs to do something about it.

“It’s not the first time, or the ||second time, it’s happening reg ularly and the buck stops with her.

“Passengers are going to remember the experience they had getting to ships, or trying to leave them at the end of the holiday. It’s a cop-out and I would say it’s embarrassing.

“She needs to get a grip on the situation – it’s a PR disaster and it’s starting to look like incompetence.”

Daily Echo:

The tailbacks have been blamed on the high numbers of passengers catching and leaving one of five cruise ships docked in Southampton combined with ongoing roadworks at Platform Road.

Motorist Roger Holsworth, from Yorkshire, was hoping to board Queen Mary 2. He told the Daily Echo at the scene: “We have been here for two hours. It took us four hours from Yorkshire and now this – it’s awful.”

Carol and Tony Russell, from Suffolk, have been coming to Southampton to board Queen Elizabeth for the past few years.

They said: “We have been rolling along for three hours. I'm sorry but they knew this was happening. I’ve been on the phone with the police and traffic control and they’re just pathetic.

“We come every year and have never seen anything like this.”

Businesses around West Quay Road were hit as customers avoided the area.

Alex Jackson, manager of Richmond Motor Group, said the firm lost £10,000 in sales after five customers cancelled appointments.

He said: “A customer from Romsey spent three hours in traffic before cancelling.

“Test drives and road tests have been hindered.”

Daily Echo reader Roger Macnamara said: “The people who run this poor excuse for a city must be the biggest bunch of imbeciles that were put on this earth.”

Hampshire Constabulary confirmed it received calls from several members of the public stuck in traffic, including a broken down motorist.

A spokesman said: “We advise people to contact the council about traffic issues.”

Andy Hamilton, design and construction manager at Balfour Beatty, said engineers were unable to lift road traffic management measures, including temporary traffic lights, to cope with the increase in motorists on the roads.

He said: “It was not safe to do so and it would take longer to get all of the work completed in a time when there are less cruise ships through the winter.

“It’s not the first time and there was congestion before Christmas, but when there is a major cruise in the docks there will be some congestion.

“We anticipate there will be significant traffic next Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday, but we will have measures in place to try to accommodate that.”

 

Here's what transport boss Cllr Jacqui Rayment's statement said:
“We're aware that drivers have been experiencing delays in the city centre and we regret any inconvenience caused.
“The council and its highways partner are constantly reviewing and implementing measures to improve peak time traffic flow and reduce congestion, including modifying traffic management arrangements and signal phasing, extending the hours when manual control of signals is used, and working with ABP to increase staff levels at Dock Gate 4. All this will help to speed up traffic entering and leaving the port, as far as is possible.
“There were five large cruise ships in port on Friday and as a result there were considerably more vehicles on the roads in the city centre. The ongoing improvement works at Platform Road can have an impact on journey times around Dock Gate 4, particularly when more than one cruise liner is in port and passengers are disembarking and joining the ships.”

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11:04am Sat 11 Jan 14

issacchunt says...

5 ships in, major road works, loads of exra vehicles that equal traffic choas. Answered , now move on. " perfect storm".
5 ships in, major road works, loads of exra vehicles that equal traffic choas. Answered , now move on. " perfect storm". issacchunt
  • Score: -1

11:07am Sat 11 Jan 14

Cyber__Fug says...

issacchunt wrote:
5 ships in, major road works, loads of exra vehicles that equal traffic choas. Answered , now move on. " perfect storm".
You forgot the mention the ridiculous amount of traffic lights that hinder traffic movement.
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: 5 ships in, major road works, loads of exra vehicles that equal traffic choas. Answered , now move on. " perfect storm".[/p][/quote]You forgot the mention the ridiculous amount of traffic lights that hinder traffic movement. Cyber__Fug
  • Score: 51

11:10am Sat 11 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

From a Christian point of view cruising embodies most of the seven deadly sins anyway, Greed, Envy ,Sloth, Gluttony and **** and then the jams cause Anger then all that is left is Pride .Maybe it is Gods will.
From a Christian point of view cruising embodies most of the seven deadly sins anyway, Greed, Envy ,Sloth, Gluttony and **** and then the jams cause Anger then all that is left is Pride .Maybe it is Gods will. bigfella777
  • Score: -76

11:11am Sat 11 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

bigfella777 wrote:
From a Christian point of view cruising embodies most of the seven deadly sins anyway, Greed, Envy ,Sloth, Gluttony and **** and then the jams cause Anger then all that is left is Pride .Maybe it is Gods will.
Apparently 1ust is a swear word now.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: From a Christian point of view cruising embodies most of the seven deadly sins anyway, Greed, Envy ,Sloth, Gluttony and **** and then the jams cause Anger then all that is left is Pride .Maybe it is Gods will.[/p][/quote]Apparently 1ust is a swear word now. bigfella777
  • Score: -11

11:13am Sat 11 Jan 14

southy says...

Its cause though having every thing thrown in the bottom of Town.
Its cause though having every thing thrown in the bottom of Town. southy
  • Score: 11

11:15am Sat 11 Jan 14

SOULJACKER says...

The fact is Southampton council are arrogant & uselss, period!
A friend of mine always remembers hearing a comment from someone in the council from years back & he was heard to say 'we want to make it as difficult as possible for car sdrivers to get around town & that way people won't drive into the city centre'.
When you are faced with useless & arroant people apparently ruinning the city the people have no chance & the council will always get their way, be it right or be it wrong.
We should've had someone like 'Popcorn Sutton' running this town & things would have sure been different then :D
The fact is Southampton council are arrogant & uselss, period! A friend of mine always remembers hearing a comment from someone in the council from years back & he was heard to say 'we want to make it as difficult as possible for car sdrivers to get around town & that way people won't drive into the city centre'. When you are faced with useless & arroant people apparently ruinning the city the people have no chance & the council will always get their way, be it right or be it wrong. We should've had someone like 'Popcorn Sutton' running this town & things would have sure been different then :D SOULJACKER
  • Score: 40

11:17am Sat 11 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

issacchunt wrote:
5 ships in, major road works, loads of exra vehicles that equal traffic choas. Answered , now move on. " perfect storm".
We know what happened, the question is how to avoid it again in the future, is there no Police involvement these day? I am sure pointing vehicles in other directions to get away from the problem might help. The problem seems to be everything being funnelled in the one direction straight into the road works.
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: 5 ships in, major road works, loads of exra vehicles that equal traffic choas. Answered , now move on. " perfect storm".[/p][/quote]We know what happened, the question is how to avoid it again in the future, is there no Police involvement these day? I am sure pointing vehicles in other directions to get away from the problem might help. The problem seems to be everything being funnelled in the one direction straight into the road works. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 6

11:18am Sat 11 Jan 14

Northamboy says...

Would it not help to open dock gate 20 to cruise passengers with cars and leave Dock gate 10 to coaches, taxis and lorries? From 20 to the cruise terminal is as close as 10 to the terminal but more to the point passenger car parking area is more accessible from gate 20. The only difference is there would have to be a shuttle bus from the car park to the terminal for passengers and luggage.

Perhaps I am missing something that would not make my idea work?
Would it not help to open dock gate 20 to cruise passengers with cars and leave Dock gate 10 to coaches, taxis and lorries? From 20 to the cruise terminal is as close as 10 to the terminal but more to the point passenger car parking area is more accessible from gate 20. The only difference is there would have to be a shuttle bus from the car park to the terminal for passengers and luggage. Perhaps I am missing something that would not make my idea work? Northamboy
  • Score: 33

11:18am Sat 11 Jan 14

Avery T Decanary says...

I drove past the roadworks on Thursday at about 2.30pm. There were just four blokes working and one of them was just watching. Surely to goodness there must be a legion of people looking for work who could get stuck in. As for the Rayment creature, if she had any honour she would resign.
I drove past the roadworks on Thursday at about 2.30pm. There were just four blokes working and one of them was just watching. Surely to goodness there must be a legion of people looking for work who could get stuck in. As for the Rayment creature, if she had any honour she would resign. Avery T Decanary
  • Score: 37

11:21am Sat 11 Jan 14

funchal says...

Cllr Rayment has no answers because she hasn't got a clue how to sort this out. SACK her for failing to do her job properly. Any person with a brain would call all parties together and sort it out at a special meeting. We don't want to lose the cruise ship business which we have had for many years just because of a totally inadequate Cllr like Rayment.
Cllr Rayment has no answers because she hasn't got a clue how to sort this out. SACK her for failing to do her job properly. Any person with a brain would call all parties together and sort it out at a special meeting. We don't want to lose the cruise ship business which we have had for many years just because of a totally inadequate Cllr like Rayment. funchal
  • Score: 43

11:25am Sat 11 Jan 14

seven777. says...

perfect storm my @rse someone should explain the 5 Ps to this useless waste of a skin Cllr Jacqui Rayment, Prior Planning Prevents Pi$$poor Performance.
perfect storm my @rse someone should explain the 5 Ps to this useless waste of a skin Cllr Jacqui Rayment, Prior Planning Prevents Pi$$poor Performance. seven777.
  • Score: 31

11:36am Sat 11 Jan 14

Maine Lobster says...

A new and separate access need to be provided for cruise terminal access that prevents traffic having to queue up towards West Quay. Until that happens there needs to be a system whereby we don't have all these cruise ships in port at once. Space their arrivals out a bit, it is not rocket science!
A new and separate access need to be provided for cruise terminal access that prevents traffic having to queue up towards West Quay. Until that happens there needs to be a system whereby we don't have all these cruise ships in port at once. Space their arrivals out a bit, it is not rocket science! Maine Lobster
  • Score: 11

11:38am Sat 11 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

southy wrote:
Its cause though having every thing thrown in the bottom of Town.
The question is why? There are plenty of options that could be implemented without the use of rocket science, a quick look down on a Google map will offer up loads of different roads that could be opened up, even if only on a temporary basis, the obsession with cul de sacs has always puzzled me, especially with problems they create for emergency services. They are talking about a 20 mph speed restriction, fair enough, but in the current situation it is more of a target.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Its cause though having every thing thrown in the bottom of Town.[/p][/quote]The question is why? There are plenty of options that could be implemented without the use of rocket science, a quick look down on a Google map will offer up loads of different roads that could be opened up, even if only on a temporary basis, the obsession with cul de sacs has always puzzled me, especially with problems they create for emergency services. They are talking about a 20 mph speed restriction, fair enough, but in the current situation it is more of a target. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

11:43am Sat 11 Jan 14

SOULJACKER says...

funchal wrote:
Cllr Rayment has no answers because she hasn't got a clue how to sort this out. SACK her for failing to do her job properly. Any person with a brain would call all parties together and sort it out at a special meeting. We don't want to lose the cruise ship business which we have had for many years just because of a totally inadequate Cllr like Rayment.
Fact of the matter is it will always be someone elses fault & not theirs.
Our council has never done anything wrong apparently.
Like I said before they are arrogant, they make poor decisions, they are overpaid & basically they are not fit for purpose.
[quote][p][bold]funchal[/bold] wrote: Cllr Rayment has no answers because she hasn't got a clue how to sort this out. SACK her for failing to do her job properly. Any person with a brain would call all parties together and sort it out at a special meeting. We don't want to lose the cruise ship business which we have had for many years just because of a totally inadequate Cllr like Rayment.[/p][/quote]Fact of the matter is it will always be someone elses fault & not theirs. Our council has never done anything wrong apparently. Like I said before they are arrogant, they make poor decisions, they are overpaid & basically they are not fit for purpose. SOULJACKER
  • Score: 24

11:47am Sat 11 Jan 14

redsnapper says...

Rayment should be forced to resign even though the problem is decades in the making but her complete lack of ability to improve or suggest changes let alone communicate with public are reason enough to go before she slides off with "stress" or some other excuse.

Get rid now before she loses the cruise business to the Scousers and gifts all the retail business to the skates.
Rayment should be forced to resign even though the problem is decades in the making but her complete lack of ability to improve or suggest changes let alone communicate with public are reason enough to go before she slides off with "stress" or some other excuse. Get rid now before she loses the cruise business to the Scousers and gifts all the retail business to the skates. redsnapper
  • Score: 36

11:48am Sat 11 Jan 14

Frank28 says...

Maybe Cllr Rayment was stuck in the traffic jam! That congestion must be sorted out, as it impedes the Police from driving in or out of the new Police Station, leaving them unable to respond to emergencies.
Maybe Cllr Rayment was stuck in the traffic jam! That congestion must be sorted out, as it impedes the Police from driving in or out of the new Police Station, leaving them unable to respond to emergencies. Frank28
  • Score: 13

11:53am Sat 11 Jan 14

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

funchal wrote:
Cllr Rayment has no answers because she hasn't got a clue how to sort this out. SACK her for failing to do her job properly. Any person with a brain would call all parties together and sort it out at a special meeting. We don't want to lose the cruise ship business which we have had for many years just because of a totally inadequate Cllr like Rayment.
they dance to the corporate tune , the people of southampton come a distant last ,they just pay their wages.
[quote][p][bold]funchal[/bold] wrote: Cllr Rayment has no answers because she hasn't got a clue how to sort this out. SACK her for failing to do her job properly. Any person with a brain would call all parties together and sort it out at a special meeting. We don't want to lose the cruise ship business which we have had for many years just because of a totally inadequate Cllr like Rayment.[/p][/quote]they dance to the corporate tune , the people of southampton come a distant last ,they just pay their wages. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.
  • Score: 26

12:08pm Sat 11 Jan 14

southy says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
southy wrote:
Its cause though having every thing thrown in the bottom of Town.
The question is why? There are plenty of options that could be implemented without the use of rocket science, a quick look down on a Google map will offer up loads of different roads that could be opened up, even if only on a temporary basis, the obsession with cul de sacs has always puzzled me, especially with problems they create for emergency services. They are talking about a 20 mph speed restriction, fair enough, but in the current situation it is more of a target.
The whole city and this area of Hampshire needs a rethink and re-planing, the Docks it self needs to be moved down river from the Hamble River to Sewage Works at Woolston, a suspension bridge connecting up the M27 to Fawley road and another bridge at dock gate 20 linking up with Marchwood by-pass. there are a number of things that can be done that would improve transport in the city, but it will not be done as this is long term planning and not the quick buck turn around planning
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Its cause though having every thing thrown in the bottom of Town.[/p][/quote]The question is why? There are plenty of options that could be implemented without the use of rocket science, a quick look down on a Google map will offer up loads of different roads that could be opened up, even if only on a temporary basis, the obsession with cul de sacs has always puzzled me, especially with problems they create for emergency services. They are talking about a 20 mph speed restriction, fair enough, but in the current situation it is more of a target.[/p][/quote]The whole city and this area of Hampshire needs a rethink and re-planing, the Docks it self needs to be moved down river from the Hamble River to Sewage Works at Woolston, a suspension bridge connecting up the M27 to Fawley road and another bridge at dock gate 20 linking up with Marchwood by-pass. there are a number of things that can be done that would improve transport in the city, but it will not be done as this is long term planning and not the quick buck turn around planning southy
  • Score: 7

12:14pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Luma1984 says...

Without your Council, the City would fall apart! Have you been to Sunderland or Liverpool?
Having 5 Ships in at the same time is ridiculous!
Blame the operations team of the cruise companies that bring all the ships in in one go! It's called a lack of communication on there part! Not the Council.
Royston Smith can't say much, he's just as useful as a chocolate tea pot!
Rant Over!
Without your Council, the City would fall apart! Have you been to Sunderland or Liverpool? Having 5 Ships in at the same time is ridiculous! Blame the operations team of the cruise companies that bring all the ships in in one go! It's called a lack of communication on there part! Not the Council. Royston Smith can't say much, he's just as useful as a chocolate tea pot! Rant Over! Luma1984
  • Score: 1

12:27pm Sat 11 Jan 14

hulla baloo says...

Luma1984 wrote:
Without your Council, the City would fall apart! Have you been to Sunderland or Liverpool?
Having 5 Ships in at the same time is ridiculous!
Blame the operations team of the cruise companies that bring all the ships in in one go! It's called a lack of communication on there part! Not the Council.
Royston Smith can't say much, he's just as useful as a chocolate tea pot!
Rant Over!
It is not the cruise operators fault the city cannot cope, and why should they reorganise their schedules to make an incompotent council look better?
This situation has been coming for years, and to some degree, happening for years, and nothing has been done.
Shame on all the councils.
[quote][p][bold]Luma1984[/bold] wrote: Without your Council, the City would fall apart! Have you been to Sunderland or Liverpool? Having 5 Ships in at the same time is ridiculous! Blame the operations team of the cruise companies that bring all the ships in in one go! It's called a lack of communication on there part! Not the Council. Royston Smith can't say much, he's just as useful as a chocolate tea pot! Rant Over![/p][/quote]It is not the cruise operators fault the city cannot cope, and why should they reorganise their schedules to make an incompotent council look better? This situation has been coming for years, and to some degree, happening for years, and nothing has been done. Shame on all the councils. hulla baloo
  • Score: 22

12:37pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Cyber__Fug says...

southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
southy wrote:
Its cause though having every thing thrown in the bottom of Town.
The question is why? There are plenty of options that could be implemented without the use of rocket science, a quick look down on a Google map will offer up loads of different roads that could be opened up, even if only on a temporary basis, the obsession with cul de sacs has always puzzled me, especially with problems they create for emergency services. They are talking about a 20 mph speed restriction, fair enough, but in the current situation it is more of a target.
The whole city and this area of Hampshire needs a rethink and re-planing, the Docks it self needs to be moved down river from the Hamble River to Sewage Works at Woolston, a suspension bridge connecting up the M27 to Fawley road and another bridge at dock gate 20 linking up with Marchwood by-pass. there are a number of things that can be done that would improve transport in the city, but it will not be done as this is long term planning and not the quick buck turn around planning
And who will pay for all this ?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Its cause though having every thing thrown in the bottom of Town.[/p][/quote]The question is why? There are plenty of options that could be implemented without the use of rocket science, a quick look down on a Google map will offer up loads of different roads that could be opened up, even if only on a temporary basis, the obsession with cul de sacs has always puzzled me, especially with problems they create for emergency services. They are talking about a 20 mph speed restriction, fair enough, but in the current situation it is more of a target.[/p][/quote]The whole city and this area of Hampshire needs a rethink and re-planing, the Docks it self needs to be moved down river from the Hamble River to Sewage Works at Woolston, a suspension bridge connecting up the M27 to Fawley road and another bridge at dock gate 20 linking up with Marchwood by-pass. there are a number of things that can be done that would improve transport in the city, but it will not be done as this is long term planning and not the quick buck turn around planning[/p][/quote]And who will pay for all this ? Cyber__Fug
  • Score: 2

12:41pm Sat 11 Jan 14

in search of the truth says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
A new and separate access need to be provided for cruise terminal access that prevents traffic having to queue up towards West Quay. Until that happens there needs to be a system whereby we don't have all these cruise ships in port at once. Space their arrivals out a bit, it is not rocket science!
Market forces will sort this mess out.
When the cruise passengers put in their complaints to the cruise operators and an analysis of passenger addresses is made the cruise companies will quickly realise that some of the ships should be based at other home ports than Southampton. The fact that people are expected to travel hundreds of miles in order to pick up a cruise ship at the cruise ship bus stops situated in Southampton is utterly ridiculous and this farce highlights the fact to existing passengers, potential passengers and the cruise lines.
There is very little in Southampton to interest to cruise passengers who are in transit, it's hardly an international city with a cultural diversity where one might stay for any period before or after a cruise, after this little episode it is clear that Southampton cannot cope with problems that affect most cities from time to time ( roadworks ).
The vast majority of these passengers never look around or spend money in Southampton and therefore Southampton gains no appreciable benefit from them, they are purely clogging up the roads to the cruise ship bus stops, in future however they may vote with their feet and complain to the cruise companies that this time, enough is enough and the cruise companies who have no particular loyalty may st5arting basing ships in other more interesting and closer ports to their customers.
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: A new and separate access need to be provided for cruise terminal access that prevents traffic having to queue up towards West Quay. Until that happens there needs to be a system whereby we don't have all these cruise ships in port at once. Space their arrivals out a bit, it is not rocket science![/p][/quote]Market forces will sort this mess out. When the cruise passengers put in their complaints to the cruise operators and an analysis of passenger addresses is made the cruise companies will quickly realise that some of the ships should be based at other home ports than Southampton. The fact that people are expected to travel hundreds of miles in order to pick up a cruise ship at the cruise ship bus stops situated in Southampton is utterly ridiculous and this farce highlights the fact to existing passengers, potential passengers and the cruise lines. There is very little in Southampton to interest to cruise passengers who are in transit, it's hardly an international city with a cultural diversity where one might stay for any period before or after a cruise, after this little episode it is clear that Southampton cannot cope with problems that affect most cities from time to time ( roadworks ). The vast majority of these passengers never look around or spend money in Southampton and therefore Southampton gains no appreciable benefit from them, they are purely clogging up the roads to the cruise ship bus stops, in future however they may vote with their feet and complain to the cruise companies that this time, enough is enough and the cruise companies who have no particular loyalty may st5arting basing ships in other more interesting and closer ports to their customers. in search of the truth
  • Score: 1

12:44pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

It makes me smile that the "usual supects" demands answers to the traffic chaos ..... and all whipped into a frenzy by the Echo.
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The local politicians stating the words "incompeteance" ..... yet have such a selective memory that they forget when they rode roughshod over this city with traffic chaos in 2008 to 2012 ........ and did absolutely NOTHING to ease the situation but only add to it.
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Business leaders ...... who exactly ....... Quote:- Alex Jackson, manager of Richmond Motor Group, said the firm lost £10,000 in sales after five customers cancelled appointments. ............ Yeah right Mr Jackson.....
I assume that you had the order in your hand did you ..... or were they just coming for a test drive.
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Dont go much on Mr Jacksons sales or business ability if that the best he can come up with .......... If your deals are that good i am sure that your "customers" will be back !!!
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It makes me smile that the "usual supects" demands answers to the traffic chaos ..... and all whipped into a frenzy by the Echo. . The local politicians stating the words "incompeteance" ..... yet have such a selective memory that they forget when they rode roughshod over this city with traffic chaos in 2008 to 2012 ........ and did absolutely NOTHING to ease the situation but only add to it. . Business leaders ...... who exactly ....... Quote:- Alex Jackson, manager of Richmond Motor Group, said the firm lost £10,000 in sales after five customers cancelled appointments. ............ Yeah right Mr Jackson..... I assume that you had the order in your hand did you ..... or were they just coming for a test drive. . Dont go much on Mr Jacksons sales or business ability if that the best he can come up with .......... If your deals are that good i am sure that your "customers" will be back !!! . Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 1

12:46pm Sat 11 Jan 14

issacchunt says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
issacchunt wrote: 5 ships in, major road works, loads of exra vehicles that equal traffic choas. Answered , now move on. " perfect storm".
We know what happened, the question is how to avoid it again in the future, is there no Police involvement these day? I am sure pointing vehicles in other directions to get away from the problem might help. The problem seems to be everything being funnelled in the one direction straight into the road works.
The headline was when I typed was "answers wanted", it was not "how do we avoid it. Echo have a usual changed the headline mid-way through comments.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: 5 ships in, major road works, loads of exra vehicles that equal traffic choas. Answered , now move on. " perfect storm".[/p][/quote]We know what happened, the question is how to avoid it again in the future, is there no Police involvement these day? I am sure pointing vehicles in other directions to get away from the problem might help. The problem seems to be everything being funnelled in the one direction straight into the road works.[/p][/quote]The headline was when I typed was "answers wanted", it was not "how do we avoid it. Echo have a usual changed the headline mid-way through comments. issacchunt
  • Score: 15

12:50pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Solbol says...

The problem is the Traffic lights outside DG4, they used to be for pedestrains only and the flow of traffic was only interupted for a short while. Now they control the traffic and hold everything up!!! why can't anybody else see this!!!
The problem is the Traffic lights outside DG4, they used to be for pedestrains only and the flow of traffic was only interupted for a short while. Now they control the traffic and hold everything up!!! why can't anybody else see this!!! Solbol
  • Score: 15

1:04pm Sat 11 Jan 14

westendsaint says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
The fact is Southampton council are arrogant & uselss, period!
A friend of mine always remembers hearing a comment from someone in the council from years back & he was heard to say 'we want to make it as difficult as possible for car sdrivers to get around town & that way people won't drive into the city centre'.
When you are faced with useless & arroant people apparently ruinning the city the people have no chance & the council will always get their way, be it right or be it wrong.
We should've had someone like 'Popcorn Sutton' running this town & things would have sure been different then :D
By Hook or Crook, Southampton City Council WILL get all residents to RIDE PUSHBIKES & sell their cars.
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: The fact is Southampton council are arrogant & uselss, period! A friend of mine always remembers hearing a comment from someone in the council from years back & he was heard to say 'we want to make it as difficult as possible for car sdrivers to get around town & that way people won't drive into the city centre'. When you are faced with useless & arroant people apparently ruinning the city the people have no chance & the council will always get their way, be it right or be it wrong. We should've had someone like 'Popcorn Sutton' running this town & things would have sure been different then :D[/p][/quote]By Hook or Crook, Southampton City Council WILL get all residents to RIDE PUSHBIKES & sell their cars. westendsaint
  • Score: 7

1:04pm Sat 11 Jan 14

westendsaint says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
The fact is Southampton council are arrogant & uselss, period!
A friend of mine always remembers hearing a comment from someone in the council from years back & he was heard to say 'we want to make it as difficult as possible for car sdrivers to get around town & that way people won't drive into the city centre'.
When you are faced with useless & arroant people apparently ruinning the city the people have no chance & the council will always get their way, be it right or be it wrong.
We should've had someone like 'Popcorn Sutton' running this town & things would have sure been different then :D
By Hook or Crook, Southampton City Council WILL get all residents to RIDE PUSHBIKES & sell their cars.
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: The fact is Southampton council are arrogant & uselss, period! A friend of mine always remembers hearing a comment from someone in the council from years back & he was heard to say 'we want to make it as difficult as possible for car sdrivers to get around town & that way people won't drive into the city centre'. When you are faced with useless & arroant people apparently ruinning the city the people have no chance & the council will always get their way, be it right or be it wrong. We should've had someone like 'Popcorn Sutton' running this town & things would have sure been different then :D[/p][/quote]By Hook or Crook, Southampton City Council WILL get all residents to RIDE PUSHBIKES & sell their cars. westendsaint
  • Score: 0

1:04pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Mr saint76 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
It makes me smile that the "usual supects" demands answers to the traffic chaos ..... and all whipped into a frenzy by the Echo.
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The local politicians stating the words "incompeteance" ..... yet have such a selective memory that they forget when they rode roughshod over this city with traffic chaos in 2008 to 2012 ........ and did absolutely NOTHING to ease the situation but only add to it.
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Business leaders ...... who exactly ....... Quote:- Alex Jackson, manager of Richmond Motor Group, said the firm lost £10,000 in sales after five customers cancelled appointments. ............ Yeah right Mr Jackson.....
I assume that you had the order in your hand did you ..... or were they just coming for a test drive.
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Dont go much on Mr Jacksons sales or business ability if that the best he can come up with .......... If your deals are that good i am sure that your "customers" will be back !!!
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Infrastructure is rubbish, ikea is a big problem. Last Saturday it cost an old lady almost 10 pounds to get from the train station to the De vere. Just because people were trying to get into the ikea car park . Remember people get paid tens if not hundreds of thousands of pounds to allow decisions like these in our city. By the way stay away from northam, Chapel, St Marys etc if you want to avoid the traffic today. Another bright idea.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: It makes me smile that the "usual supects" demands answers to the traffic chaos ..... and all whipped into a frenzy by the Echo. . The local politicians stating the words "incompeteance" ..... yet have such a selective memory that they forget when they rode roughshod over this city with traffic chaos in 2008 to 2012 ........ and did absolutely NOTHING to ease the situation but only add to it. . Business leaders ...... who exactly ....... Quote:- Alex Jackson, manager of Richmond Motor Group, said the firm lost £10,000 in sales after five customers cancelled appointments. ............ Yeah right Mr Jackson..... I assume that you had the order in your hand did you ..... or were they just coming for a test drive. . Dont go much on Mr Jacksons sales or business ability if that the best he can come up with .......... If your deals are that good i am sure that your "customers" will be back !!! .[/p][/quote]Infrastructure is rubbish, ikea is a big problem. Last Saturday it cost an old lady almost 10 pounds to get from the train station to the De vere. Just because people were trying to get into the ikea car park . Remember people get paid tens if not hundreds of thousands of pounds to allow decisions like these in our city. By the way stay away from northam, Chapel, St Marys etc if you want to avoid the traffic today. Another bright idea. Mr saint76
  • Score: 8

1:07pm Sat 11 Jan 14

westendsaint says...

Solbol wrote:
The problem is the Traffic lights outside DG4, they used to be for pedestrains only and the flow of traffic was only interupted for a short while. Now they control the traffic and hold everything up!!! why can't anybody else see this!!!
Was just about to post same.
There used to be dedicated lane of uninterupted traffic in & out of Dock Gate 4
[quote][p][bold]Solbol[/bold] wrote: The problem is the Traffic lights outside DG4, they used to be for pedestrains only and the flow of traffic was only interupted for a short while. Now they control the traffic and hold everything up!!! why can't anybody else see this!!![/p][/quote]Was just about to post same. There used to be dedicated lane of uninterupted traffic in & out of Dock Gate 4 westendsaint
  • Score: 7

1:10pm Sat 11 Jan 14

steviecuk says...

Maybe Southampton needs a Park and Ride! All the surrounding Cities have them!!
Maybe Southampton needs a Park and Ride! All the surrounding Cities have them!! steviecuk
  • Score: 9

1:11pm Sat 11 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

issacchunt wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
issacchunt wrote: 5 ships in, major road works, loads of exra vehicles that equal traffic choas. Answered , now move on. " perfect storm".
We know what happened, the question is how to avoid it again in the future, is there no Police involvement these day? I am sure pointing vehicles in other directions to get away from the problem might help. The problem seems to be everything being funnelled in the one direction straight into the road works.
The headline was when I typed was "answers wanted", it was not "how do we avoid it. Echo have a usual changed the headline mid-way through comments.
I noticed that there was a comment about people having to urinate in the road that appeared too, well the Council got rid of all the Public Conveniences so that they didn't have to spend a penny on them.
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: 5 ships in, major road works, loads of exra vehicles that equal traffic choas. Answered , now move on. " perfect storm".[/p][/quote]We know what happened, the question is how to avoid it again in the future, is there no Police involvement these day? I am sure pointing vehicles in other directions to get away from the problem might help. The problem seems to be everything being funnelled in the one direction straight into the road works.[/p][/quote]The headline was when I typed was "answers wanted", it was not "how do we avoid it. Echo have a usual changed the headline mid-way through comments.[/p][/quote]I noticed that there was a comment about people having to urinate in the road that appeared too, well the Council got rid of all the Public Conveniences so that they didn't have to spend a penny on them. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 14

1:13pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Too many cars and traffic lights is the cause, the answer is to reduce numbers of cars and traffic lights.
Too many cars and traffic lights is the cause, the answer is to reduce numbers of cars and traffic lights. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -11

1:21pm Sat 11 Jan 14

phil maccavity says...

in search of the truth wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
A new and separate access need to be provided for cruise terminal access that prevents traffic having to queue up towards West Quay. Until that happens there needs to be a system whereby we don't have all these cruise ships in port at once. Space their arrivals out a bit, it is not rocket science!
Market forces will sort this mess out.
When the cruise passengers put in their complaints to the cruise operators and an analysis of passenger addresses is made the cruise companies will quickly realise that some of the ships should be based at other home ports than Southampton. The fact that people are expected to travel hundreds of miles in order to pick up a cruise ship at the cruise ship bus stops situated in Southampton is utterly ridiculous and this farce highlights the fact to existing passengers, potential passengers and the cruise lines.
There is very little in Southampton to interest to cruise passengers who are in transit, it's hardly an international city with a cultural diversity where one might stay for any period before or after a cruise, after this little episode it is clear that Southampton cannot cope with problems that affect most cities from time to time ( roadworks ).
The vast majority of these passengers never look around or spend money in Southampton and therefore Southampton gains no appreciable benefit from them, they are purely clogging up the roads to the cruise ship bus stops, in future however they may vote with their feet and complain to the cruise companies that this time, enough is enough and the cruise companies who have no particular loyalty may st5arting basing ships in other more interesting and closer ports to their customers.
So if Southampton is a cultural desert and is poorly served by road access , perhaps there is a very good case to be made for some external assistance to improve matters.
In the sense of fairness, Southampton should receive the same £2 BILLION worth of Grant Aid that has been lavished on another city, with cruise aspirations, which is often promoted from its supporters from afar in the Southampton Echo comment pages as a comparative Utopia..
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: A new and separate access need to be provided for cruise terminal access that prevents traffic having to queue up towards West Quay. Until that happens there needs to be a system whereby we don't have all these cruise ships in port at once. Space their arrivals out a bit, it is not rocket science![/p][/quote]Market forces will sort this mess out. When the cruise passengers put in their complaints to the cruise operators and an analysis of passenger addresses is made the cruise companies will quickly realise that some of the ships should be based at other home ports than Southampton. The fact that people are expected to travel hundreds of miles in order to pick up a cruise ship at the cruise ship bus stops situated in Southampton is utterly ridiculous and this farce highlights the fact to existing passengers, potential passengers and the cruise lines. There is very little in Southampton to interest to cruise passengers who are in transit, it's hardly an international city with a cultural diversity where one might stay for any period before or after a cruise, after this little episode it is clear that Southampton cannot cope with problems that affect most cities from time to time ( roadworks ). The vast majority of these passengers never look around or spend money in Southampton and therefore Southampton gains no appreciable benefit from them, they are purely clogging up the roads to the cruise ship bus stops, in future however they may vote with their feet and complain to the cruise companies that this time, enough is enough and the cruise companies who have no particular loyalty may st5arting basing ships in other more interesting and closer ports to their customers.[/p][/quote]So if Southampton is a cultural desert and is poorly served by road access , perhaps there is a very good case to be made for some external assistance to improve matters. In the sense of fairness, Southampton should receive the same £2 BILLION worth of Grant Aid that has been lavished on another city, with cruise aspirations, which is often promoted from its supporters from afar in the Southampton Echo comment pages as a comparative Utopia.. phil maccavity
  • Score: 8

1:28pm Sat 11 Jan 14

OV Resident says...

westendsaint wrote:
Solbol wrote:
The problem is the Traffic lights outside DG4, they used to be for pedestrains only and the flow of traffic was only interupted for a short while. Now they control the traffic and hold everything up!!! why can't anybody else see this!!!
Was just about to post same.
There used to be dedicated lane of uninterupted traffic in & out of Dock Gate 4
This is EXACTLY the problem. I know this junction very well as both a pedestrian and motorist. This one set of traffic lights on the Platform Rd roadworks I believe is mostly to blame for the traffic chaos that fans out through the city. Please stop reporting that 'five ships in port simultaneously' is what's to blame. Southampton used to be able to handle this situation routinely, in its stride. The roadworks is the only thing that has changed. Such poor management by Balfour and absolutely no oversight by SCC or the police. It's a shambles.

On the old road layout, before they started messing with it, it was a gyratory system with traffic coming out of the docks merging in to the constantly flowing traffic. There was a dedicated lane for the port and the only stop to the flow of traffic was the occasional pedestrian crossing over into Queens Park.

Now traffic is being stopped constantly at the new temporary lights, on a recurring schedule. They even had to take out the pedestrian crossing because that was causing further delays, so pedestrians are having to take a deep breath before dodging between the cars. It’s incredibly unsafe and demonstrates a total lack of foresight or planning.

Balfour’s answer to this situation so far? To put a guy from their stupid sub-sub-contractor LUX on a control panel to manually control the flow whenever there are ships in town. And the council’s answer? “Oh yeah, that’s not us, that’s our sub-contractor.” Cretinous. They seem to have forgotten that they work for the taxpayers of this city!!
[quote][p][bold]westendsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Solbol[/bold] wrote: The problem is the Traffic lights outside DG4, they used to be for pedestrains only and the flow of traffic was only interupted for a short while. Now they control the traffic and hold everything up!!! why can't anybody else see this!!![/p][/quote]Was just about to post same. There used to be dedicated lane of uninterupted traffic in & out of Dock Gate 4[/p][/quote]This is EXACTLY the problem. I know this junction very well as both a pedestrian and motorist. This one set of traffic lights on the Platform Rd roadworks I believe is mostly to blame for the traffic chaos that fans out through the city. Please stop reporting that 'five ships in port simultaneously' is what's to blame. Southampton used to be able to handle this situation routinely, in its stride. The roadworks is the only thing that has changed. Such poor management by Balfour and absolutely no oversight by SCC or the police. It's a shambles. On the old road layout, before they started messing with it, it was a gyratory system with traffic coming out of the docks merging in to the constantly flowing traffic. There was a dedicated lane for the port and the only stop to the flow of traffic was the occasional pedestrian crossing over into Queens Park. Now traffic is being stopped constantly at the new temporary lights, on a recurring schedule. They even had to take out the pedestrian crossing because that was causing further delays, so pedestrians are having to take a deep breath before dodging between the cars. It’s incredibly unsafe and demonstrates a total lack of foresight or planning. Balfour’s answer to this situation so far? To put a guy from their stupid sub-sub-contractor LUX on a control panel to manually control the flow whenever there are ships in town. And the council’s answer? “Oh yeah, that’s not us, that’s our sub-contractor.” Cretinous. They seem to have forgotten that they work for the taxpayers of this city!! OV Resident
  • Score: 25

1:48pm Sat 11 Jan 14

ritchy says...

I think a new road should be built connecting dock 4 to 8 with a overpass over the red funnel or move it. When we have ships in dock 4 there is always traffic. Cruise passengers do spent in the city (they stay in many hotels, and visit local restaurant/bars). Many of them come 1 or 2 days before they head out of southampton
I think a new road should be built connecting dock 4 to 8 with a overpass over the red funnel or move it. When we have ships in dock 4 there is always traffic. Cruise passengers do spent in the city (they stay in many hotels, and visit local restaurant/bars). Many of them come 1 or 2 days before they head out of southampton ritchy
  • Score: 4

1:48pm Sat 11 Jan 14

elvisimo says...

southy wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
southy wrote:
Its cause though having every thing thrown in the bottom of Town.
The question is why? There are plenty of options that could be implemented without the use of rocket science, a quick look down on a Google map will offer up loads of different roads that could be opened up, even if only on a temporary basis, the obsession with cul de sacs has always puzzled me, especially with problems they create for emergency services. They are talking about a 20 mph speed restriction, fair enough, but in the current situation it is more of a target.
The whole city and this area of Hampshire needs a rethink and re-planing, the Docks it self needs to be moved down river from the Hamble River to Sewage Works at Woolston, a suspension bridge connecting up the M27 to Fawley road and another bridge at dock gate 20 linking up with Marchwood by-pass. there are a number of things that can be done that would improve transport in the city, but it will not be done as this is long term planning and not the quick buck turn around planning
And it would be a little bit expensive?....
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Its cause though having every thing thrown in the bottom of Town.[/p][/quote]The question is why? There are plenty of options that could be implemented without the use of rocket science, a quick look down on a Google map will offer up loads of different roads that could be opened up, even if only on a temporary basis, the obsession with cul de sacs has always puzzled me, especially with problems they create for emergency services. They are talking about a 20 mph speed restriction, fair enough, but in the current situation it is more of a target.[/p][/quote]The whole city and this area of Hampshire needs a rethink and re-planing, the Docks it self needs to be moved down river from the Hamble River to Sewage Works at Woolston, a suspension bridge connecting up the M27 to Fawley road and another bridge at dock gate 20 linking up with Marchwood by-pass. there are a number of things that can be done that would improve transport in the city, but it will not be done as this is long term planning and not the quick buck turn around planning[/p][/quote]And it would be a little bit expensive?.... elvisimo
  • Score: 2

1:52pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Rockhopper says...

Agree that being ultimately responsible Rayment should resign but also the Council officers in the transport department who manage the roads on a daily basis and advise Councillors should be sacked for incompetence.
Agree that being ultimately responsible Rayment should resign but also the Council officers in the transport department who manage the roads on a daily basis and advise Councillors should be sacked for incompetence. Rockhopper
  • Score: 8

1:59pm Sat 11 Jan 14

funchal says...

Rockhopper wrote:
Agree that being ultimately responsible Rayment should resign but also the Council officers in the transport department who manage the roads on a daily basis and advise Councillors should be sacked for incompetence.
I agree totally with you Rockhopper. Also the contractors should have a serious look at their way of handling the situation.
[quote][p][bold]Rockhopper[/bold] wrote: Agree that being ultimately responsible Rayment should resign but also the Council officers in the transport department who manage the roads on a daily basis and advise Councillors should be sacked for incompetence.[/p][/quote]I agree totally with you Rockhopper. Also the contractors should have a serious look at their way of handling the situation. funchal
  • Score: 7

2:09pm Sat 11 Jan 14

bluecougar says...

This is why I no longer have a car - most of my time was sitting in traffic and wasting petrol etc. I now use the train and can be in central Southampton in around 15 minutes - you have to pay for the convenience of a car nowadays and the parking is atrocious - change your way of travelling and stop thinking that car owners are the only people that travel into Southampton for work or shopping.
This is why I no longer have a car - most of my time was sitting in traffic and wasting petrol etc. I now use the train and can be in central Southampton in around 15 minutes - you have to pay for the convenience of a car nowadays and the parking is atrocious - change your way of travelling and stop thinking that car owners are the only people that travel into Southampton for work or shopping. bluecougar
  • Score: 6

2:13pm Sat 11 Jan 14

vpharm says...

Have a mandatory out of town park & ride whereby cruise passengers have to park out of town & get a free coach into the cruise terminal!
That will keep a huge number of private cars out of the city on cruise days!
Have a mandatory out of town park & ride whereby cruise passengers have to park out of town & get a free coach into the cruise terminal! That will keep a huge number of private cars out of the city on cruise days! vpharm
  • Score: 2

2:17pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Mary80 says...

Its a combo of badly designed roads not fit for the sheer amount of cars, the stupid amount of traffic lights all in that one area near the roundabout. The dumb idea to have several major road works all going on AT ONCE.
Its a combo of badly designed roads not fit for the sheer amount of cars, the stupid amount of traffic lights all in that one area near the roundabout. The dumb idea to have several major road works all going on AT ONCE. Mary80
  • Score: 10

2:22pm Sat 11 Jan 14

mickey01 says...

i blame the cyclists
i blame the cyclists mickey01
  • Score: 9

2:30pm Sat 11 Jan 14

SOULJACKER says...

When I manage jobs that may have a knock on effect (such as roadworks etc..)the client will more often than not put liquidated damages in the contract to ensure that the contrctor pulls their finger out to get the job asap.
Surely it easier for Balfours or whoever to get their guys to work day & night to get the job done.
Does the council have liquidated damages?.......if not then maybe they should!
When I manage jobs that may have a knock on effect (such as roadworks etc..)the client will more often than not put liquidated damages in the contract to ensure that the contrctor pulls their finger out to get the job asap. Surely it easier for Balfours or whoever to get their guys to work day & night to get the job done. Does the council have liquidated damages?.......if not then maybe they should! SOULJACKER
  • Score: 4

2:59pm Sat 11 Jan 14

jackois says...

It's the old story... who does the council work for?

The answer of course is themselves.

Two of the largest planning descisions in the time I've lived here were the siting of Saints football ground & IKEA. Everyone I know barring the council thought they should have been built out of town so that they had motorway access. Oddly enough they both ended up in town and add a significant amount of traffic chaos into town.

This council, whether labour or conservative run, needs to take a good look at both themselves and the sub-contractors they employ and decide whether they are doing the job they are supposed to.

Most of my friends rarely go into the town centre anymore as it is devoid of much other than major stores around the high street and you can access the same stores elsewhere with less hassle & lower parking fees.

Don't forget that they've started charging to park in the evening in Southampton now.
It's the old story... who does the council work for? The answer of course is themselves. Two of the largest planning descisions in the time I've lived here were the siting of Saints football ground & IKEA. Everyone I know barring the council thought they should have been built out of town so that they had motorway access. Oddly enough they both ended up in town and add a significant amount of traffic chaos into town. This council, whether labour or conservative run, needs to take a good look at both themselves and the sub-contractors they employ and decide whether they are doing the job they are supposed to. Most of my friends rarely go into the town centre anymore as it is devoid of much other than major stores around the high street and you can access the same stores elsewhere with less hassle & lower parking fees. Don't forget that they've started charging to park in the evening in Southampton now. jackois
  • Score: 16

3:42pm Sat 11 Jan 14

loosehead says...

So one cruise ship at dock gate 4 ? look at the dockgate to the new docks where the rest of the cruise ships are it's clear so it's not the cruise ship passengers so what else makes locals drive down that section of the city?
now I'm not a road builder but I'd thought before shutting a road I'd widen the road by taking the parkland & making it into a driving surface then open it up & closing the one way street or isn't that what they're doing?
surely no road closure or lights would be needed if that's the way they're doing it?
otherwise the closing of this road to all other traffic besides dock traffic or local companies seems to be the only alternative
So one cruise ship at dock gate 4 ? look at the dockgate to the new docks where the rest of the cruise ships are it's clear so it's not the cruise ship passengers so what else makes locals drive down that section of the city? now I'm not a road builder but I'd thought before shutting a road I'd widen the road by taking the parkland & making it into a driving surface then open it up & closing the one way street or isn't that what they're doing? surely no road closure or lights would be needed if that's the way they're doing it? otherwise the closing of this road to all other traffic besides dock traffic or local companies seems to be the only alternative loosehead
  • Score: 1

3:49pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Positively4thStreet says...

bluecougar wrote:
This is why I no longer have a car - most of my time was sitting in traffic and wasting petrol etc. I now use the train and can be in central Southampton in around 15 minutes - you have to pay for the convenience of a car nowadays and the parking is atrocious - change your way of travelling and stop thinking that car owners are the only people that travel into Southampton for work or shopping.
Agree,the whole area is well served by railways,and more thought needs to go into the possibility of introducing a more intensive suburban service around the area,which at present only comprises of the Romsey "round the houses"service.
Also,the opportunity to utilise the line through Northam (past St.Marys) to Ocean Village,by reopening stations at Northam and Southampton Terminus,is one that has been too long overlooked, given that it would give open up so much ease of access to areas of the town that are currently so inconvenient to access by car.
[quote][p][bold]bluecougar[/bold] wrote: This is why I no longer have a car - most of my time was sitting in traffic and wasting petrol etc. I now use the train and can be in central Southampton in around 15 minutes - you have to pay for the convenience of a car nowadays and the parking is atrocious - change your way of travelling and stop thinking that car owners are the only people that travel into Southampton for work or shopping.[/p][/quote]Agree,the whole area is well served by railways,and more thought needs to go into the possibility of introducing a more intensive suburban service around the area,which at present only comprises of the Romsey "round the houses"service. Also,the opportunity to utilise the line through Northam (past St.Marys) to Ocean Village,by reopening stations at Northam and Southampton Terminus,is one that has been too long overlooked, given that it would give open up so much ease of access to areas of the town that are currently so inconvenient to access by car. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 3

4:12pm Sat 11 Jan 14

eastsidemush says...

bigfella777 wrote:
From a Christian point of view cruising embodies most of the seven deadly sins anyway, Greed, Envy ,Sloth, Gluttony and **** and then the jams cause Anger then all that is left is Pride .Maybe it is Gods will.
Do tell us bigfella. Were you born a total idiot, or did you have to work hard to master it?
All your posts, the on whatever toplc, are complete cr@p.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: From a Christian point of view cruising embodies most of the seven deadly sins anyway, Greed, Envy ,Sloth, Gluttony and **** and then the jams cause Anger then all that is left is Pride .Maybe it is Gods will.[/p][/quote]Do tell us bigfella. Were you born a total idiot, or did you have to work hard to master it? All your posts, the on whatever toplc, are complete cr@p. eastsidemush
  • Score: 8

4:32pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Nearly an OAP says...

Councillor Rayment should realise that when the new cruise terminals are completed at Liverpool in the near future people north of Birmingham won't be heading south to Southampton to catch their cruise liners as the shipping lines will be falling over themselves to use Liverpool.
Councillor Rayment should realise that when the new cruise terminals are completed at Liverpool in the near future people north of Birmingham won't be heading south to Southampton to catch their cruise liners as the shipping lines will be falling over themselves to use Liverpool. Nearly an OAP
  • Score: 5

4:48pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Nearly an OAP wrote:
Councillor Rayment should realise that when the new cruise terminals are completed at Liverpool in the near future people north of Birmingham won't be heading south to Southampton to catch their cruise liners as the shipping lines will be falling over themselves to use Liverpool.
Well, that would probably happen in anycase.
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The roads around the docks area have been poor for at least 6-7 years and have never been given hardly any attention by any council, particulary the last one
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5 cruise ships all in at once, roadworks ........ poor roads ..... whats your answer Einstein
[quote][p][bold]Nearly an OAP[/bold] wrote: Councillor Rayment should realise that when the new cruise terminals are completed at Liverpool in the near future people north of Birmingham won't be heading south to Southampton to catch their cruise liners as the shipping lines will be falling over themselves to use Liverpool.[/p][/quote]Well, that would probably happen in anycase. . The roads around the docks area have been poor for at least 6-7 years and have never been given hardly any attention by any council, particulary the last one . 5 cruise ships all in at once, roadworks ........ poor roads ..... whats your answer Einstein Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -3

5:58pm Sat 11 Jan 14

wilsoncastaway says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
The fact is Southampton council are arrogant & uselss, period!
A friend of mine always remembers hearing a comment from someone in the council from years back & he was heard to say 'we want to make it as difficult as possible for car sdrivers to get around town & that way people won't drive into the city centre'.
When you are faced with useless & arroant people apparently ruinning the city the people have no chance & the council will always get their way, be it right or be it wrong.
We should've had someone like 'Popcorn Sutton' running this town & things would have sure been different then :D
Don't want vehicles in the city centre ..but build tons of flats..
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: The fact is Southampton council are arrogant & uselss, period! A friend of mine always remembers hearing a comment from someone in the council from years back & he was heard to say 'we want to make it as difficult as possible for car sdrivers to get around town & that way people won't drive into the city centre'. When you are faced with useless & arroant people apparently ruinning the city the people have no chance & the council will always get their way, be it right or be it wrong. We should've had someone like 'Popcorn Sutton' running this town & things would have sure been different then :D[/p][/quote]Don't want vehicles in the city centre ..but build tons of flats.. wilsoncastaway
  • Score: 7

6:29pm Sat 11 Jan 14

vogon says...

To try to minimise all this congestion perhaps the highways department should try the following when the cruise ships are in the Eastern Docks.

1 Make the Town Quay Road / High Street junction a yellow box junction so that traffic can turn right from Town Quay Road into the High Street and not cause traffic to back-up along Platform Road.
2. Suspend the bus lane around the north side of Queen's Park and mark it for through traffic only and make the lane nearest the park Dock Gate 4 only.
3. On the south side of the park make the left hand lane dock gate 4 only and the right hand lane for through traffic.
4. Do away with the traffic lights at the exit of dock gate 4 and have traffic exiting the docks feed into Platform road like it used to before these road works started.
5. To assist pedestrians to cross from the park to gate 4 put in a Zebra Crossing.
6. Make the left hand lane on Canute Road approaching Queen's Park Dock Gate 4 only and the right hand lane through traffic only.
To try to minimise all this congestion perhaps the highways department should try the following when the cruise ships are in the Eastern Docks. 1 Make the Town Quay Road / High Street junction a yellow box junction so that traffic can turn right from Town Quay Road into the High Street and not cause traffic to back-up along Platform Road. 2. Suspend the bus lane around the north side of Queen's Park and mark it for through traffic only and make the lane nearest the park Dock Gate 4 only. 3. On the south side of the park make the left hand lane dock gate 4 only and the right hand lane for through traffic. 4. Do away with the traffic lights at the exit of dock gate 4 and have traffic exiting the docks feed into Platform road like it used to before these road works started. 5. To assist pedestrians to cross from the park to gate 4 put in a Zebra Crossing. 6. Make the left hand lane on Canute Road approaching Queen's Park Dock Gate 4 only and the right hand lane through traffic only. vogon
  • Score: 12

6:41pm Sat 11 Jan 14

SOULJACKER says...

jackois wrote:
It's the old story... who does the council work for?

The answer of course is themselves.

Two of the largest planning descisions in the time I've lived here were the siting of Saints football ground & IKEA. Everyone I know barring the council thought they should have been built out of town so that they had motorway access. Oddly enough they both ended up in town and add a significant amount of traffic chaos into town.

This council, whether labour or conservative run, needs to take a good look at both themselves and the sub-contractors they employ and decide whether they are doing the job they are supposed to.

Most of my friends rarely go into the town centre anymore as it is devoid of much other than major stores around the high street and you can access the same stores elsewhere with less hassle & lower parking fees.

Don't forget that they've started charging to park in the evening in Southampton now.
Certainly wit Ikea, the council aid they HAD to have it in the city centre.
Ikea wanted to go down on the Millbrook but nah, the council weren't havin' any of it.
Councils have done nothing but destroy our city for years now becuse tghey couldn't make it as real politicians & it's high time they should be taught that 'THEY WORK FOR US', it ain't the other way round.
They are civil 'SERVANTS' but they are detatched from the rest of the people of our fair city!
[quote][p][bold]jackois[/bold] wrote: It's the old story... who does the council work for? The answer of course is themselves. Two of the largest planning descisions in the time I've lived here were the siting of Saints football ground & IKEA. Everyone I know barring the council thought they should have been built out of town so that they had motorway access. Oddly enough they both ended up in town and add a significant amount of traffic chaos into town. This council, whether labour or conservative run, needs to take a good look at both themselves and the sub-contractors they employ and decide whether they are doing the job they are supposed to. Most of my friends rarely go into the town centre anymore as it is devoid of much other than major stores around the high street and you can access the same stores elsewhere with less hassle & lower parking fees. Don't forget that they've started charging to park in the evening in Southampton now.[/p][/quote]Certainly wit Ikea, the council aid they HAD to have it in the city centre. Ikea wanted to go down on the Millbrook but nah, the council weren't havin' any of it. Councils have done nothing but destroy our city for years now becuse tghey couldn't make it as real politicians & it's high time they should be taught that 'THEY WORK FOR US', it ain't the other way round. They are civil 'SERVANTS' but they are detatched from the rest of the people of our fair city! SOULJACKER
  • Score: 8

6:42pm Sat 11 Jan 14

SOULJACKER says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
jackois wrote:
It's the old story... who does the council work for?

The answer of course is themselves.

Two of the largest planning descisions in the time I've lived here were the siting of Saints football ground & IKEA. Everyone I know barring the council thought they should have been built out of town so that they had motorway access. Oddly enough they both ended up in town and add a significant amount of traffic chaos into town.

This council, whether labour or conservative run, needs to take a good look at both themselves and the sub-contractors they employ and decide whether they are doing the job they are supposed to.

Most of my friends rarely go into the town centre anymore as it is devoid of much other than major stores around the high street and you can access the same stores elsewhere with less hassle & lower parking fees.

Don't forget that they've started charging to park in the evening in Southampton now.
Certainly wit Ikea, the council aid they HAD to have it in the city centre.
Ikea wanted to go down on the Millbrook but nah, the council weren't havin' any of it.
Councils have done nothing but destroy our city for years now becuse tghey couldn't make it as real politicians & it's high time they should be taught that 'THEY WORK FOR US', it ain't the other way round.
They are civil 'SERVANTS' but they are detatched from the rest of the people of our fair city!
Sorry about the spelling there, I deserve to be ripped apart for that but I done had me a drink :)
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jackois[/bold] wrote: It's the old story... who does the council work for? The answer of course is themselves. Two of the largest planning descisions in the time I've lived here were the siting of Saints football ground & IKEA. Everyone I know barring the council thought they should have been built out of town so that they had motorway access. Oddly enough they both ended up in town and add a significant amount of traffic chaos into town. This council, whether labour or conservative run, needs to take a good look at both themselves and the sub-contractors they employ and decide whether they are doing the job they are supposed to. Most of my friends rarely go into the town centre anymore as it is devoid of much other than major stores around the high street and you can access the same stores elsewhere with less hassle & lower parking fees. Don't forget that they've started charging to park in the evening in Southampton now.[/p][/quote]Certainly wit Ikea, the council aid they HAD to have it in the city centre. Ikea wanted to go down on the Millbrook but nah, the council weren't havin' any of it. Councils have done nothing but destroy our city for years now becuse tghey couldn't make it as real politicians & it's high time they should be taught that 'THEY WORK FOR US', it ain't the other way round. They are civil 'SERVANTS' but they are detatched from the rest of the people of our fair city![/p][/quote]Sorry about the spelling there, I deserve to be ripped apart for that but I done had me a drink :) SOULJACKER
  • Score: 1

6:44pm Sat 11 Jan 14

SOULJACKER says...

wilsoncastaway wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
The fact is Southampton council are arrogant & uselss, period!
A friend of mine always remembers hearing a comment from someone in the council from years back & he was heard to say 'we want to make it as difficult as possible for car sdrivers to get around town & that way people won't drive into the city centre'.
When you are faced with useless & arroant people apparently ruinning the city the people have no chance & the council will always get their way, be it right or be it wrong.
We should've had someone like 'Popcorn Sutton' running this town & things would have sure been different then :D
Don't want vehicles in the city centre ..but build tons of flats..
Like I done told you before, they are useless & arrogant!
[quote][p][bold]wilsoncastaway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: The fact is Southampton council are arrogant & uselss, period! A friend of mine always remembers hearing a comment from someone in the council from years back & he was heard to say 'we want to make it as difficult as possible for car sdrivers to get around town & that way people won't drive into the city centre'. When you are faced with useless & arroant people apparently ruinning the city the people have no chance & the council will always get their way, be it right or be it wrong. We should've had someone like 'Popcorn Sutton' running this town & things would have sure been different then :D[/p][/quote]Don't want vehicles in the city centre ..but build tons of flats..[/p][/quote]Like I done told you before, they are useless & arrogant! SOULJACKER
  • Score: 3

6:58pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Turtlebay says...

Why is it even necessary to have 5 cruise liners in all on the same day?

Can't the cruise firms agree to stagger them so there's only one each day?

Ultimately they'll be the losers from the bad publicity if they can't get their act together!
Why is it even necessary to have 5 cruise liners in all on the same day? Can't the cruise firms agree to stagger them so there's only one each day? Ultimately they'll be the losers from the bad publicity if they can't get their act together! Turtlebay
  • Score: 0

7:00pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Total shambles we closed the best link railway station what next a ghost Port!
Total shambles we closed the best link railway station what next a ghost Port! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: 5

7:08pm Sat 11 Jan 14

in search of the truth says...

The events of yesterday will not go away, people trying to get to their cruise ships will remember what happened and will go home thinking " IS IT WORTH TRAVELING ALL THAT WAY TO SOUTHAMPTON TO PICK UP A CRUISE SHIP AT THE CRUISE SHIP BUS STOPS WHEN IT INVOLVES SO MUCH EXPENSE AND EXTRA MILEAGE TO GET THERE, AND WHEN YOU GET THERE YOU ARE TREATED TO ENDLESS TRAFFIC CONGESTION ".
Then they will write to the cruise companies and demand more locally based home ports and the cruise companies who have no particular loyalty to Southampton or any port will look again at their business plan in the coming seasons and may decide that for once the customer is voting with their feet and they had better serve their customers , because if they won't then a competitor cruise line will.
The events of yesterday will not go away, people trying to get to their cruise ships will remember what happened and will go home thinking " IS IT WORTH TRAVELING ALL THAT WAY TO SOUTHAMPTON TO PICK UP A CRUISE SHIP AT THE CRUISE SHIP BUS STOPS WHEN IT INVOLVES SO MUCH EXPENSE AND EXTRA MILEAGE TO GET THERE, AND WHEN YOU GET THERE YOU ARE TREATED TO ENDLESS TRAFFIC CONGESTION ". Then they will write to the cruise companies and demand more locally based home ports and the cruise companies who have no particular loyalty to Southampton or any port will look again at their business plan in the coming seasons and may decide that for once the customer is voting with their feet and they had better serve their customers , because if they won't then a competitor cruise line will. in search of the truth
  • Score: 6

7:18pm Sat 11 Jan 14

S Pance says...

Is it my imagination? Whenever something goes wrong with the running of Southampton does Jacqui Rayment's name come up??

She's a one-woman disaster area and should stand down, IMHO.
Is it my imagination? Whenever something goes wrong with the running of Southampton does Jacqui Rayment's name come up?? She's a one-woman disaster area and should stand down, IMHO. S Pance
  • Score: 11

7:20pm Sat 11 Jan 14

sotonboy84 says...

in search of the truth wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
A new and separate access need to be provided for cruise terminal access that prevents traffic having to queue up towards West Quay. Until that happens there needs to be a system whereby we don't have all these cruise ships in port at once. Space their arrivals out a bit, it is not rocket science!
Market forces will sort this mess out.
When the cruise passengers put in their complaints to the cruise operators and an analysis of passenger addresses is made the cruise companies will quickly realise that some of the ships should be based at other home ports than Southampton. The fact that people are expected to travel hundreds of miles in order to pick up a cruise ship at the cruise ship bus stops situated in Southampton is utterly ridiculous and this farce highlights the fact to existing passengers, potential passengers and the cruise lines.
There is very little in Southampton to interest to cruise passengers who are in transit, it's hardly an international city with a cultural diversity where one might stay for any period before or after a cruise, after this little episode it is clear that Southampton cannot cope with problems that affect most cities from time to time ( roadworks ).
The vast majority of these passengers never look around or spend money in Southampton and therefore Southampton gains no appreciable benefit from them, they are purely clogging up the roads to the cruise ship bus stops, in future however they may vote with their feet and complain to the cruise companies that this time, enough is enough and the cruise companies who have no particular loyalty may st5arting basing ships in other more interesting and closer ports to their customers.
Because all cruise passengers come from the North...

Well done, you didn't mention Liverpool once.
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: A new and separate access need to be provided for cruise terminal access that prevents traffic having to queue up towards West Quay. Until that happens there needs to be a system whereby we don't have all these cruise ships in port at once. Space their arrivals out a bit, it is not rocket science![/p][/quote]Market forces will sort this mess out. When the cruise passengers put in their complaints to the cruise operators and an analysis of passenger addresses is made the cruise companies will quickly realise that some of the ships should be based at other home ports than Southampton. The fact that people are expected to travel hundreds of miles in order to pick up a cruise ship at the cruise ship bus stops situated in Southampton is utterly ridiculous and this farce highlights the fact to existing passengers, potential passengers and the cruise lines. There is very little in Southampton to interest to cruise passengers who are in transit, it's hardly an international city with a cultural diversity where one might stay for any period before or after a cruise, after this little episode it is clear that Southampton cannot cope with problems that affect most cities from time to time ( roadworks ). The vast majority of these passengers never look around or spend money in Southampton and therefore Southampton gains no appreciable benefit from them, they are purely clogging up the roads to the cruise ship bus stops, in future however they may vote with their feet and complain to the cruise companies that this time, enough is enough and the cruise companies who have no particular loyalty may st5arting basing ships in other more interesting and closer ports to their customers.[/p][/quote]Because all cruise passengers come from the North... Well done, you didn't mention Liverpool once. sotonboy84
  • Score: -2

7:24pm Sat 11 Jan 14

sotonmum says...

Why can't they do the roadworks at night when traffic is very light?
Why can't they do the roadworks at night when traffic is very light? sotonmum
  • Score: 6

7:26pm Sat 11 Jan 14

sotonboy84 says...

in search of the truth wrote:
The events of yesterday will not go away, people trying to get to their cruise ships will remember what happened and will go home thinking " IS IT WORTH TRAVELING ALL THAT WAY TO SOUTHAMPTON TO PICK UP A CRUISE SHIP AT THE CRUISE SHIP BUS STOPS WHEN IT INVOLVES SO MUCH EXPENSE AND EXTRA MILEAGE TO GET THERE, AND WHEN YOU GET THERE YOU ARE TREATED TO ENDLESS TRAFFIC CONGESTION ".
Then they will write to the cruise companies and demand more locally based home ports and the cruise companies who have no particular loyalty to Southampton or any port will look again at their business plan in the coming seasons and may decide that for once the customer is voting with their feet and they had better serve their customers , because if they won't then a competitor cruise line will.
You're talking about a few cruise passengers that may not even go on another cruise & doubt will even complain because the traffic in the city is no fault of the cruise lines. Hardly enough for international companies to change their business plans over.

Also, these passengers make a choice where they'll depart from when they book their holiday so they're not being forced to come to Southampton!!
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: The events of yesterday will not go away, people trying to get to their cruise ships will remember what happened and will go home thinking " IS IT WORTH TRAVELING ALL THAT WAY TO SOUTHAMPTON TO PICK UP A CRUISE SHIP AT THE CRUISE SHIP BUS STOPS WHEN IT INVOLVES SO MUCH EXPENSE AND EXTRA MILEAGE TO GET THERE, AND WHEN YOU GET THERE YOU ARE TREATED TO ENDLESS TRAFFIC CONGESTION ". Then they will write to the cruise companies and demand more locally based home ports and the cruise companies who have no particular loyalty to Southampton or any port will look again at their business plan in the coming seasons and may decide that for once the customer is voting with their feet and they had better serve their customers , because if they won't then a competitor cruise line will.[/p][/quote]You're talking about a few cruise passengers that may not even go on another cruise & doubt will even complain because the traffic in the city is no fault of the cruise lines. Hardly enough for international companies to change their business plans over. Also, these passengers make a choice where they'll depart from when they book their holiday so they're not being forced to come to Southampton!! sotonboy84
  • Score: 1

7:29pm Sat 11 Jan 14

SFC-Matt says...

Nearly an OAP wrote:
Councillor Rayment should realise that when the new cruise terminals are completed at Liverpool in the near future people north of Birmingham won't be heading south to Southampton to catch their cruise liners as the shipping lines will be falling over themselves to use Liverpool.
This is simply not true. Liverpool cruise terminal does not have the infrastructure compared with Southampton with regards to delivery of hotel stores and technical stores. For Norwegian, Baltic or Mediterranean cruises the extra Sea day required from turn around at Liverpool is not desirable.
[quote][p][bold]Nearly an OAP[/bold] wrote: Councillor Rayment should realise that when the new cruise terminals are completed at Liverpool in the near future people north of Birmingham won't be heading south to Southampton to catch their cruise liners as the shipping lines will be falling over themselves to use Liverpool.[/p][/quote]This is simply not true. Liverpool cruise terminal does not have the infrastructure compared with Southampton with regards to delivery of hotel stores and technical stores. For Norwegian, Baltic or Mediterranean cruises the extra Sea day required from turn around at Liverpool is not desirable. SFC-Matt
  • Score: 3

7:30pm Sat 11 Jan 14

SFC-Matt says...

Turtlebay wrote:
Why is it even necessary to have 5 cruise liners in all on the same day? Can't the cruise firms agree to stagger them so there's only one each day? Ultimately they'll be the losers from the bad publicity if they can't get their act together!
Absurd comment
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Why is it even necessary to have 5 cruise liners in all on the same day? Can't the cruise firms agree to stagger them so there's only one each day? Ultimately they'll be the losers from the bad publicity if they can't get their act together![/p][/quote]Absurd comment SFC-Matt
  • Score: -1

7:34pm Sat 11 Jan 14

SFC-Matt says...

in search of the truth wrote:
The events of yesterday will not go away, people trying to get to their cruise ships will remember what happened and will go home thinking " IS IT WORTH TRAVELING ALL THAT WAY TO SOUTHAMPTON TO PICK UP A CRUISE SHIP AT THE CRUISE SHIP BUS STOPS WHEN IT INVOLVES SO MUCH EXPENSE AND EXTRA MILEAGE TO GET THERE, AND WHEN YOU GET THERE YOU ARE TREATED TO ENDLESS TRAFFIC CONGESTION ". Then they will write to the cruise companies and demand more locally based home ports and the cruise companies who have no particular loyalty to Southampton or any port will look again at their business plan in the coming seasons and may decide that for once the customer is voting with their feet and they had better serve their customers , because if they won't then a competitor cruise line will.
Clueless
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: The events of yesterday will not go away, people trying to get to their cruise ships will remember what happened and will go home thinking " IS IT WORTH TRAVELING ALL THAT WAY TO SOUTHAMPTON TO PICK UP A CRUISE SHIP AT THE CRUISE SHIP BUS STOPS WHEN IT INVOLVES SO MUCH EXPENSE AND EXTRA MILEAGE TO GET THERE, AND WHEN YOU GET THERE YOU ARE TREATED TO ENDLESS TRAFFIC CONGESTION ". Then they will write to the cruise companies and demand more locally based home ports and the cruise companies who have no particular loyalty to Southampton or any port will look again at their business plan in the coming seasons and may decide that for once the customer is voting with their feet and they had better serve their customers , because if they won't then a competitor cruise line will.[/p][/quote]Clueless SFC-Matt
  • Score: -5

8:18pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Estrella says...

For those cretins that are misinformed, opinionated and actually incorrect re Councillor Rayment's lack of response yesterday, I'm sure you will be surprised to know that she is also a human being with other responsibilities, she was hardly hiding and was actually at Southampton General Hospital with her daughter and poorly granddaughter. But you of course wouldn't know that because you read what the Echo have written and take it as gospel... If you keyboard warriors are that troubled by this report contact Councillor Rayment yourself.. Her details are freely available.

In future you would do well to fact find before you cast aspersions
For those cretins that are misinformed, opinionated and actually incorrect re Councillor Rayment's lack of response yesterday, I'm sure you will be surprised to know that she is also a human being with other responsibilities, she was hardly hiding and was actually at Southampton General Hospital with her daughter and poorly granddaughter. But you of course wouldn't know that because you read what the Echo have written and take it as gospel... If you keyboard warriors are that troubled by this report contact Councillor Rayment yourself.. Her details are freely available. In future you would do well to fact find before you cast aspersions Estrella
  • Score: -10

8:21pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Niel says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
The fact is Southampton council are arrogant & uselss, period!
A friend of mine always remembers hearing a comment from someone in the council from years back & he was heard to say 'we want to make it as difficult as possible for car sdrivers to get around town & that way people won't drive into the city centre'.
When you are faced with useless & arroant people apparently ruinning the city the people have no chance & the council will always get their way, be it right or be it wrong.
We should've had someone like 'Popcorn Sutton' running this town & things would have sure been different then :D
Yup, and whenever there's a problem on the M27 they throw the 'go even slower' switch to discourage anyone attempting to keep moving by using the cities roads. Who remembers the much improved traffic flows when the traffic lights were turned off for a week some years ago?
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: The fact is Southampton council are arrogant & uselss, period! A friend of mine always remembers hearing a comment from someone in the council from years back & he was heard to say 'we want to make it as difficult as possible for car sdrivers to get around town & that way people won't drive into the city centre'. When you are faced with useless & arroant people apparently ruinning the city the people have no chance & the council will always get their way, be it right or be it wrong. We should've had someone like 'Popcorn Sutton' running this town & things would have sure been different then :D[/p][/quote]Yup, and whenever there's a problem on the M27 they throw the 'go even slower' switch to discourage anyone attempting to keep moving by using the cities roads. Who remembers the much improved traffic flows when the traffic lights were turned off for a week some years ago? Niel
  • Score: 5

8:25pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Niel says...

Northamboy wrote:
Would it not help to open dock gate 20 to cruise passengers with cars and leave Dock gate 10 to coaches, taxis and lorries? From 20 to the cruise terminal is as close as 10 to the terminal but more to the point passenger car parking area is more accessible from gate 20. The only difference is there would have to be a shuttle bus from the car park to the terminal for passengers and luggage.

Perhaps I am missing something that would not make my idea work?
From when I worked there you would want visitors using 20 with all the container traffic, often the road from 20 is jammed with trucks waiting to load/unload containers...
[quote][p][bold]Northamboy[/bold] wrote: Would it not help to open dock gate 20 to cruise passengers with cars and leave Dock gate 10 to coaches, taxis and lorries? From 20 to the cruise terminal is as close as 10 to the terminal but more to the point passenger car parking area is more accessible from gate 20. The only difference is there would have to be a shuttle bus from the car park to the terminal for passengers and luggage. Perhaps I am missing something that would not make my idea work?[/p][/quote]From when I worked there you would want visitors using 20 with all the container traffic, often the road from 20 is jammed with trucks waiting to load/unload containers... Niel
  • Score: 2

9:14pm Sat 11 Jan 14

robj1969 says...

Niel wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
The fact is Southampton council are arrogant & uselss, period!
A friend of mine always remembers hearing a comment from someone in the council from years back & he was heard to say 'we want to make it as difficult as possible for car sdrivers to get around town & that way people won't drive into the city centre'.
When you are faced with useless & arroant people apparently ruinning the city the people have no chance & the council will always get their way, be it right or be it wrong.
We should've had someone like 'Popcorn Sutton' running this town & things would have sure been different then :D
Yup, and whenever there's a problem on the M27 they throw the 'go even slower' switch to discourage anyone attempting to keep moving by using the cities roads. Who remembers the much improved traffic flows when the traffic lights were turned off for a week some years ago?
I think a phone call to the council is now due to find out when the next council meeting is and for lots of us mortal taxpayers to turn up and get some straight answers from the useless Rayment person..... viva la revolution.........
[quote][p][bold]Niel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: The fact is Southampton council are arrogant & uselss, period! A friend of mine always remembers hearing a comment from someone in the council from years back & he was heard to say 'we want to make it as difficult as possible for car sdrivers to get around town & that way people won't drive into the city centre'. When you are faced with useless & arroant people apparently ruinning the city the people have no chance & the council will always get their way, be it right or be it wrong. We should've had someone like 'Popcorn Sutton' running this town & things would have sure been different then :D[/p][/quote]Yup, and whenever there's a problem on the M27 they throw the 'go even slower' switch to discourage anyone attempting to keep moving by using the cities roads. Who remembers the much improved traffic flows when the traffic lights were turned off for a week some years ago?[/p][/quote]I think a phone call to the council is now due to find out when the next council meeting is and for lots of us mortal taxpayers to turn up and get some straight answers from the useless Rayment person..... viva la revolution......... robj1969
  • Score: 3

9:21pm Sat 11 Jan 14

westendsaint says...

Northamboy wrote:
Would it not help to open dock gate 20 to cruise passengers with cars and leave Dock gate 10 to coaches, taxis and lorries? From 20 to the cruise terminal is as close as 10 to the terminal but more to the point passenger car parking area is more accessible from gate 20. The only difference is there would have to be a shuttle bus from the car park to the terminal for passengers and luggage.

Perhaps I am missing something that would not make my idea work?
Traffic Lights at Dock Gate 4 are the problem.
[quote][p][bold]Northamboy[/bold] wrote: Would it not help to open dock gate 20 to cruise passengers with cars and leave Dock gate 10 to coaches, taxis and lorries? From 20 to the cruise terminal is as close as 10 to the terminal but more to the point passenger car parking area is more accessible from gate 20. The only difference is there would have to be a shuttle bus from the car park to the terminal for passengers and luggage. Perhaps I am missing something that would not make my idea work?[/p][/quote]Traffic Lights at Dock Gate 4 are the problem. westendsaint
  • Score: 7

10:19pm Sat 11 Jan 14

03alpe01 says...

Ice Rink please! That's the only solution!
Ice Rink please! That's the only solution! 03alpe01
  • Score: 6

11:17pm Sat 11 Jan 14

Turtlebay says...

SFC-Matt wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
Why is it even necessary to have 5 cruise liners in all on the same day? Can't the cruise firms agree to stagger them so there's only one each day? Ultimately they'll be the losers from the bad publicity if they can't get their act together!
Absurd comment
What's absurd about it? Seems the logical answer. Please explain why you think it's absurd?
[quote][p][bold]SFC-Matt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Why is it even necessary to have 5 cruise liners in all on the same day? Can't the cruise firms agree to stagger them so there's only one each day? Ultimately they'll be the losers from the bad publicity if they can't get their act together![/p][/quote]Absurd comment[/p][/quote]What's absurd about it? Seems the logical answer. Please explain why you think it's absurd? Turtlebay
  • Score: -2

11:28pm Sat 11 Jan 14

miltonarcher says...

eastsidemush wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
From a Christian point of view cruising embodies most of the seven deadly sins anyway, Greed, Envy ,Sloth, Gluttony and **** and then the jams cause Anger then all that is left is Pride .Maybe it is Gods will.
Do tell us bigfella. Were you born a total idiot, or did you have to work hard to master it?
All your posts, the on whatever toplc, are complete cr@p.
Correct, the man is a cretin.
[quote][p][bold]eastsidemush[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: From a Christian point of view cruising embodies most of the seven deadly sins anyway, Greed, Envy ,Sloth, Gluttony and **** and then the jams cause Anger then all that is left is Pride .Maybe it is Gods will.[/p][/quote]Do tell us bigfella. Were you born a total idiot, or did you have to work hard to master it? All your posts, the on whatever toplc, are complete cr@p.[/p][/quote]Correct, the man is a cretin. miltonarcher
  • Score: 2

2:21am Sun 12 Jan 14

redsnapper says...

Estrella wrote:
For those cretins that are misinformed, opinionated and actually incorrect re Councillor Rayment's lack of response yesterday, I'm sure you will be surprised to know that she is also a human being with other responsibilities, she was hardly hiding and was actually at Southampton General Hospital with her daughter and poorly granddaughter. But you of course wouldn't know that because you read what the Echo have written and take it as gospel... If you keyboard warriors are that troubled by this report contact Councillor Rayment yourself.. Her details are freely available.

In future you would do well to fact find before you cast aspersions
This has nothing to do with the argument. The City is a mess and the Council is to blame.

As you seem to know the invisible councillor maybe you can answer this:-

What qualifications does Rayment have to improve, develop the Transport infrastructure. ANY???
[quote][p][bold]Estrella[/bold] wrote: For those cretins that are misinformed, opinionated and actually incorrect re Councillor Rayment's lack of response yesterday, I'm sure you will be surprised to know that she is also a human being with other responsibilities, she was hardly hiding and was actually at Southampton General Hospital with her daughter and poorly granddaughter. But you of course wouldn't know that because you read what the Echo have written and take it as gospel... If you keyboard warriors are that troubled by this report contact Councillor Rayment yourself.. Her details are freely available. In future you would do well to fact find before you cast aspersions[/p][/quote]This has nothing to do with the argument. The City is a mess and the Council is to blame. As you seem to know the invisible councillor maybe you can answer this:- What qualifications does Rayment have to improve, develop the Transport infrastructure. ANY??? redsnapper
  • Score: 7

5:30am Sun 12 Jan 14

SotonGreen says...

Rayment is a fat waste of space and should be sacked. The solution to the current problems is obvious; do the roadworks at night when traffic is light. They won't because they don't get a flying #%}! about the people they inconviennience.
Rayment is a fat waste of space and should be sacked. The solution to the current problems is obvious; do the roadworks at night when traffic is light. They won't because they don't get a flying #%}! about the people they inconviennience. SotonGreen
  • Score: 6

9:15am Sun 12 Jan 14

loosehead says...

I can't believe car drivers are blaming a successful docks for this chaos?
So a company is doing well with orders coming in has to refuse orders because of drivers who can't plan a trip away from road works? company loses work so closes is what would happen especially when there are several competitors out there waiting to gobble up the work so how can people say the docks shouldn't allow 5 cruise ships in at the same time even when 3 of those ships are in the new docks & there's no problem there?
I can't believe car drivers are blaming a successful docks for this chaos? So a company is doing well with orders coming in has to refuse orders because of drivers who can't plan a trip away from road works? company loses work so closes is what would happen especially when there are several competitors out there waiting to gobble up the work so how can people say the docks shouldn't allow 5 cruise ships in at the same time even when 3 of those ships are in the new docks & there's no problem there? loosehead
  • Score: 1

9:16am Sun 12 Jan 14

loosehead says...

vogon wrote:
To try to minimise all this congestion perhaps the highways department should try the following when the cruise ships are in the Eastern Docks.

1 Make the Town Quay Road / High Street junction a yellow box junction so that traffic can turn right from Town Quay Road into the High Street and not cause traffic to back-up along Platform Road.
2. Suspend the bus lane around the north side of Queen's Park and mark it for through traffic only and make the lane nearest the park Dock Gate 4 only.
3. On the south side of the park make the left hand lane dock gate 4 only and the right hand lane for through traffic.
4. Do away with the traffic lights at the exit of dock gate 4 and have traffic exiting the docks feed into Platform road like it used to before these road works started.
5. To assist pedestrians to cross from the park to gate 4 put in a Zebra Crossing.
6. Make the left hand lane on Canute Road approaching Queen's Park Dock Gate 4 only and the right hand lane through traffic only.
totally agree with this idea
[quote][p][bold]vogon[/bold] wrote: To try to minimise all this congestion perhaps the highways department should try the following when the cruise ships are in the Eastern Docks. 1 Make the Town Quay Road / High Street junction a yellow box junction so that traffic can turn right from Town Quay Road into the High Street and not cause traffic to back-up along Platform Road. 2. Suspend the bus lane around the north side of Queen's Park and mark it for through traffic only and make the lane nearest the park Dock Gate 4 only. 3. On the south side of the park make the left hand lane dock gate 4 only and the right hand lane for through traffic. 4. Do away with the traffic lights at the exit of dock gate 4 and have traffic exiting the docks feed into Platform road like it used to before these road works started. 5. To assist pedestrians to cross from the park to gate 4 put in a Zebra Crossing. 6. Make the left hand lane on Canute Road approaching Queen's Park Dock Gate 4 only and the right hand lane through traffic only.[/p][/quote]totally agree with this idea loosehead
  • Score: 1

9:24am Sun 12 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Nearly an OAP wrote:
Councillor Rayment should realise that when the new cruise terminals are completed at Liverpool in the near future people north of Birmingham won't be heading south to Southampton to catch their cruise liners as the shipping lines will be falling over themselves to use Liverpool.
Well, that would probably happen in anycase.
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The roads around the docks area have been poor for at least 6-7 years and have never been given hardly any attention by any council, particulary the last one
.
5 cruise ships all in at once, roadworks ........ poor roads ..... whats your answer Einstein
sorry I was agreeing with you until you said about the last one, the Tory council applied for the grant for the road improvements at dock gate4 which with out altering the road layout to the Itchen bridge I was against.
Your council(Labour) went ahead with this new road lay out again with out any plans to alter the flow of the traffic from dock gate 4 to the bridge.
I & vogon have put forward ideas but here goes mine again. 1/ all traffic coming from the itchen bridge follow the route it now takes into a one way system down to dock gat 4 .
2/ all traffic after dock gate 4 going to the Itchen bridge folloe the one way traffic route left at the old BBC building over the bridge & down to the Itchen bridge,
Now unless we can take a chunk of the land from the Pier side of the road & widen that road we have a bottle neck or pinch point & I would love to hear your ideas for easing this point besides anything to do with ships?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nearly an OAP[/bold] wrote: Councillor Rayment should realise that when the new cruise terminals are completed at Liverpool in the near future people north of Birmingham won't be heading south to Southampton to catch their cruise liners as the shipping lines will be falling over themselves to use Liverpool.[/p][/quote]Well, that would probably happen in anycase. . The roads around the docks area have been poor for at least 6-7 years and have never been given hardly any attention by any council, particulary the last one . 5 cruise ships all in at once, roadworks ........ poor roads ..... whats your answer Einstein[/p][/quote]sorry I was agreeing with you until you said about the last one, the Tory council applied for the grant for the road improvements at dock gate4 which with out altering the road layout to the Itchen bridge I was against. Your council(Labour) went ahead with this new road lay out again with out any plans to alter the flow of the traffic from dock gate 4 to the bridge. I & vogon have put forward ideas but here goes mine again. 1/ all traffic coming from the itchen bridge follow the route it now takes into a one way system down to dock gat 4 . 2/ all traffic after dock gate 4 going to the Itchen bridge folloe the one way traffic route left at the old BBC building over the bridge & down to the Itchen bridge, Now unless we can take a chunk of the land from the Pier side of the road & widen that road we have a bottle neck or pinch point & I would love to hear your ideas for easing this point besides anything to do with ships? loosehead
  • Score: 0

10:43am Sun 12 Jan 14

common_sense_101 says...

Turtlebay wrote:
Why is it even necessary to have 5 cruise liners in all on the same day?

Can't the cruise firms agree to stagger them so there's only one each day?

Ultimately they'll be the losers from the bad publicity if they can't get their act together!
I think it will ultimately be the city that loses out to Liverpool or another port if we can't coordinate and get passengers to the vessels while still maintaining order on our roads etc. Why shouldn't we host 5 liners on the same day? If we are serious about being an international maritime city there should be no capacity issue and restraints.
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Why is it even necessary to have 5 cruise liners in all on the same day? Can't the cruise firms agree to stagger them so there's only one each day? Ultimately they'll be the losers from the bad publicity if they can't get their act together![/p][/quote]I think it will ultimately be the city that loses out to Liverpool or another port if we can't coordinate and get passengers to the vessels while still maintaining order on our roads etc. Why shouldn't we host 5 liners on the same day? If we are serious about being an international maritime city there should be no capacity issue and restraints. common_sense_101
  • Score: 2

12:32pm Sun 12 Jan 14

redsnapper says...

Rayment is completely out of her depth. Like all Councillors everywhere she revels in the title but delivers no solutions.

Councillors are generally local busy bodies with delusions of grandeur and no qualifications or experience to deal with the problems.

Hopefully this waste of space will be replaced by someone who cares.
Rayment is completely out of her depth. Like all Councillors everywhere she revels in the title but delivers no solutions. Councillors are generally local busy bodies with delusions of grandeur and no qualifications or experience to deal with the problems. Hopefully this waste of space will be replaced by someone who cares. redsnapper
  • Score: 1

12:49pm Sun 12 Jan 14

in search of the truth says...

common_sense_101 wrote:
Turtlebay wrote:
Why is it even necessary to have 5 cruise liners in all on the same day?

Can't the cruise firms agree to stagger them so there's only one each day?

Ultimately they'll be the losers from the bad publicity if they can't get their act together!
I think it will ultimately be the city that loses out to Liverpool or another port if we can't coordinate and get passengers to the vessels while still maintaining order on our roads etc. Why shouldn't we host 5 liners on the same day? If we are serious about being an international maritime city there should be no capacity issue and restraints.
Market forces will sort this mess out.
When the cruise passengers put in their complaints to the cruise operators and an analysis of passenger addresses is made the cruise companies will quickly realise that some of the ships should be based at other home ports than Southampton. The fact that people are expected to travel hundreds of miles in order to pick up a cruise ship at the cruise ship bus stops situated in Southampton is utterly ridiculous and this farce highlights the fact to existing passengers, potential passengers and the cruise lines.
There is very little in Southampton to interest to cruise passengers who are in transit, it's hardly an international city with a cultural diversity where one might stay for any period before or after a cruise, after this little episode it is clear that Southampton cannot cope with problems that affect most cities from time to time ( roadworks ).
The vast majority of these passengers never look around or spend money in Southampton and therefore Southampton gains no appreciable benefit from them, they are purely clogging up the roads to the cruise ship bus stops, in future however they may vote with their feet and complain to the cruise companies that this time, enough is enough and the cruise companies who have no particular loyalty may st5arting basing ships in other more interesting and closer ports to their customers.
[quote][p][bold]common_sense_101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: Why is it even necessary to have 5 cruise liners in all on the same day? Can't the cruise firms agree to stagger them so there's only one each day? Ultimately they'll be the losers from the bad publicity if they can't get their act together![/p][/quote]I think it will ultimately be the city that loses out to Liverpool or another port if we can't coordinate and get passengers to the vessels while still maintaining order on our roads etc. Why shouldn't we host 5 liners on the same day? If we are serious about being an international maritime city there should be no capacity issue and restraints.[/p][/quote]Market forces will sort this mess out. When the cruise passengers put in their complaints to the cruise operators and an analysis of passenger addresses is made the cruise companies will quickly realise that some of the ships should be based at other home ports than Southampton. The fact that people are expected to travel hundreds of miles in order to pick up a cruise ship at the cruise ship bus stops situated in Southampton is utterly ridiculous and this farce highlights the fact to existing passengers, potential passengers and the cruise lines. There is very little in Southampton to interest to cruise passengers who are in transit, it's hardly an international city with a cultural diversity where one might stay for any period before or after a cruise, after this little episode it is clear that Southampton cannot cope with problems that affect most cities from time to time ( roadworks ). The vast majority of these passengers never look around or spend money in Southampton and therefore Southampton gains no appreciable benefit from them, they are purely clogging up the roads to the cruise ship bus stops, in future however they may vote with their feet and complain to the cruise companies that this time, enough is enough and the cruise companies who have no particular loyalty may st5arting basing ships in other more interesting and closer ports to their customers. in search of the truth
  • Score: -1

1:06pm Sun 12 Jan 14

wilsoncastaway says...

Yesterday I was in the city centre . I was surrounded by staff from the liners.So anyone who says that no one from a cruise shops in Southampton is talking pants.Incidently, what lovely people they are too.
Yesterday I was in the city centre . I was surrounded by staff from the liners.So anyone who says that no one from a cruise shops in Southampton is talking pants.Incidently, what lovely people they are too. wilsoncastaway
  • Score: 2

1:21pm Sun 12 Jan 14

in search of the truth says...

wilsoncastaway wrote:
Yesterday I was in the city centre . I was surrounded by staff from the liners.So anyone who says that no one from a cruise shops in Southampton is talking pants.Incidently, what lovely people they are too.
The staff off the ships may have been in the shops , but as I said very few cruise passengers bother to look around and spend money in Southampton.
[quote][p][bold]wilsoncastaway[/bold] wrote: Yesterday I was in the city centre . I was surrounded by staff from the liners.So anyone who says that no one from a cruise shops in Southampton is talking pants.Incidently, what lovely people they are too.[/p][/quote]The staff off the ships may have been in the shops , but as I said very few cruise passengers bother to look around and spend money in Southampton. in search of the truth
  • Score: 0

1:29pm Sun 12 Jan 14

loosehead says...

in search of the truth wrote:
wilsoncastaway wrote:
Yesterday I was in the city centre . I was surrounded by staff from the liners.So anyone who says that no one from a cruise shops in Southampton is talking pants.Incidently, what lovely people they are too.
The staff off the ships may have been in the shops , but as I said very few cruise passengers bother to look around and spend money in Southampton.
staying in the IBIS when I first came back from Thailand there were a lot of passengers & coach drivers who came down early & looked around the city.
If all passengers came down at different stages before the day of the cruise they could enjoy this city.
if it ever happened & all the cruise lines left for Liverpool you'd find many wouldn't stay as they use to but would turn up on the day then you will see what it's like as proven here the locals who know it's going to happen especially with roadworks(several) still don't change their route & many still make unnecessary trips into the city & you'll see Liverpool residents complaining about the ships with no thought it might be their fault!
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wilsoncastaway[/bold] wrote: Yesterday I was in the city centre . I was surrounded by staff from the liners.So anyone who says that no one from a cruise shops in Southampton is talking pants.Incidently, what lovely people they are too.[/p][/quote]The staff off the ships may have been in the shops , but as I said very few cruise passengers bother to look around and spend money in Southampton.[/p][/quote]staying in the IBIS when I first came back from Thailand there were a lot of passengers & coach drivers who came down early & looked around the city. If all passengers came down at different stages before the day of the cruise they could enjoy this city. if it ever happened & all the cruise lines left for Liverpool you'd find many wouldn't stay as they use to but would turn up on the day then you will see what it's like as proven here the locals who know it's going to happen especially with roadworks(several) still don't change their route & many still make unnecessary trips into the city & you'll see Liverpool residents complaining about the ships with no thought it might be their fault! loosehead
  • Score: 1

1:38pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Down but not out says...

in search of the truth wrote:
wilsoncastaway wrote:
Yesterday I was in the city centre . I was surrounded by staff from the liners.So anyone who says that no one from a cruise shops in Southampton is talking pants.Incidently, what lovely people they are too.
The staff off the ships may have been in the shops , but as I said very few cruise passengers bother to look around and spend money in Southampton.
Cruise passengers contribute a huge amount to Southampton's economy in a variety ways. Pre and post cruise hotel stays generate income for hotel rooms, and passengers overnighting will probably spend further in shops and restaurants. Then there are taxis, baggage companies and the many other ancillary services associated with a vessel turnaround, not to mention the huge numbers of people that rely on these calls for employment .... and no doubt in turn spending their wages in the city ..... enough said!
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wilsoncastaway[/bold] wrote: Yesterday I was in the city centre . I was surrounded by staff from the liners.So anyone who says that no one from a cruise shops in Southampton is talking pants.Incidently, what lovely people they are too.[/p][/quote]The staff off the ships may have been in the shops , but as I said very few cruise passengers bother to look around and spend money in Southampton.[/p][/quote]Cruise passengers contribute a huge amount to Southampton's economy in a variety ways. Pre and post cruise hotel stays generate income for hotel rooms, and passengers overnighting will probably spend further in shops and restaurants. Then there are taxis, baggage companies and the many other ancillary services associated with a vessel turnaround, not to mention the huge numbers of people that rely on these calls for employment .... and no doubt in turn spending their wages in the city ..... enough said! Down but not out
  • Score: 4

2:25pm Sun 12 Jan 14

in search of the truth says...

Down but not out wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
wilsoncastaway wrote:
Yesterday I was in the city centre . I was surrounded by staff from the liners.So anyone who says that no one from a cruise shops in Southampton is talking pants.Incidently, what lovely people they are too.
The staff off the ships may have been in the shops , but as I said very few cruise passengers bother to look around and spend money in Southampton.
Cruise passengers contribute a huge amount to Southampton's economy in a variety ways. Pre and post cruise hotel stays generate income for hotel rooms, and passengers overnighting will probably spend further in shops and restaurants. Then there are taxis, baggage companies and the many other ancillary services associated with a vessel turnaround, not to mention the huge numbers of people that rely on these calls for employment .... and no doubt in turn spending their wages in the city ..... enough said!
Having studied postings on this site over many months , your own posters seem to agree with what I am trying to say , mainly that Southampton has no idea how to project and market itself so as to benefit from what is essentially a captured market ( In plain language, making the most of the visitors that it gets within its city boundary who are here to embark or disembark on a cruise ). Most people who post on this site ( check for yourself if you don't believe me ), state that Southampton has virtually nothing to interest people passing through it , therefore it is simply a cruise ship bus stop and nothing more.
[quote][p][bold]Down but not out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wilsoncastaway[/bold] wrote: Yesterday I was in the city centre . I was surrounded by staff from the liners.So anyone who says that no one from a cruise shops in Southampton is talking pants.Incidently, what lovely people they are too.[/p][/quote]The staff off the ships may have been in the shops , but as I said very few cruise passengers bother to look around and spend money in Southampton.[/p][/quote]Cruise passengers contribute a huge amount to Southampton's economy in a variety ways. Pre and post cruise hotel stays generate income for hotel rooms, and passengers overnighting will probably spend further in shops and restaurants. Then there are taxis, baggage companies and the many other ancillary services associated with a vessel turnaround, not to mention the huge numbers of people that rely on these calls for employment .... and no doubt in turn spending their wages in the city ..... enough said![/p][/quote]Having studied postings on this site over many months , your own posters seem to agree with what I am trying to say , mainly that Southampton has no idea how to project and market itself so as to benefit from what is essentially a captured market ( In plain language, making the most of the visitors that it gets within its city boundary who are here to embark or disembark on a cruise ). Most people who post on this site ( check for yourself if you don't believe me ), state that Southampton has virtually nothing to interest people passing through it , therefore it is simply a cruise ship bus stop and nothing more. in search of the truth
  • Score: 0

2:34pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Graeme Harrison says...

in search of the truth wrote:
Down but not out wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
wilsoncastaway wrote:
Yesterday I was in the city centre . I was surrounded by staff from the liners.So anyone who says that no one from a cruise shops in Southampton is talking pants.Incidently, what lovely people they are too.
The staff off the ships may have been in the shops , but as I said very few cruise passengers bother to look around and spend money in Southampton.
Cruise passengers contribute a huge amount to Southampton's economy in a variety ways. Pre and post cruise hotel stays generate income for hotel rooms, and passengers overnighting will probably spend further in shops and restaurants. Then there are taxis, baggage companies and the many other ancillary services associated with a vessel turnaround, not to mention the huge numbers of people that rely on these calls for employment .... and no doubt in turn spending their wages in the city ..... enough said!
Having studied postings on this site over many months , your own posters seem to agree with what I am trying to say , mainly that Southampton has no idea how to project and market itself so as to benefit from what is essentially a captured market ( In plain language, making the most of the visitors that it gets within its city boundary who are here to embark or disembark on a cruise ). Most people who post on this site ( check for yourself if you don't believe me ), state that Southampton has virtually nothing to interest people passing through it , therefore it is simply a cruise ship bus stop and nothing more.
If only we had an ice-rink, people could skate round and round in circles for hours/days before they boarded their ships. It'd be a win/win situation, relieving congestion and getting people fit at the same time. Why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why why oh why why doesn't Southampton have an ice-rink?
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Down but not out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wilsoncastaway[/bold] wrote: Yesterday I was in the city centre . I was surrounded by staff from the liners.So anyone who says that no one from a cruise shops in Southampton is talking pants.Incidently, what lovely people they are too.[/p][/quote]The staff off the ships may have been in the shops , but as I said very few cruise passengers bother to look around and spend money in Southampton.[/p][/quote]Cruise passengers contribute a huge amount to Southampton's economy in a variety ways. Pre and post cruise hotel stays generate income for hotel rooms, and passengers overnighting will probably spend further in shops and restaurants. Then there are taxis, baggage companies and the many other ancillary services associated with a vessel turnaround, not to mention the huge numbers of people that rely on these calls for employment .... and no doubt in turn spending their wages in the city ..... enough said![/p][/quote]Having studied postings on this site over many months , your own posters seem to agree with what I am trying to say , mainly that Southampton has no idea how to project and market itself so as to benefit from what is essentially a captured market ( In plain language, making the most of the visitors that it gets within its city boundary who are here to embark or disembark on a cruise ). Most people who post on this site ( check for yourself if you don't believe me ), state that Southampton has virtually nothing to interest people passing through it , therefore it is simply a cruise ship bus stop and nothing more.[/p][/quote]If only we had an ice-rink, people could skate round and round in circles for hours/days before they boarded their ships. It'd be a win/win situation, relieving congestion and getting people fit at the same time. Why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why why oh why why doesn't Southampton have an ice-rink? Graeme Harrison
  • Score: -2

2:37pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

in search of the truth wrote:
Down but not out wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
wilsoncastaway wrote:
Yesterday I was in the city centre . I was surrounded by staff from the liners.So anyone who says that no one from a cruise shops in Southampton is talking pants.Incidently, what lovely people they are too.
The staff off the ships may have been in the shops , but as I said very few cruise passengers bother to look around and spend money in Southampton.
Cruise passengers contribute a huge amount to Southampton's economy in a variety ways. Pre and post cruise hotel stays generate income for hotel rooms, and passengers overnighting will probably spend further in shops and restaurants. Then there are taxis, baggage companies and the many other ancillary services associated with a vessel turnaround, not to mention the huge numbers of people that rely on these calls for employment .... and no doubt in turn spending their wages in the city ..... enough said!
Having studied postings on this site over many months , your own posters seem to agree with what I am trying to say , mainly that Southampton has no idea how to project and market itself so as to benefit from what is essentially a captured market ( In plain language, making the most of the visitors that it gets within its city boundary who are here to embark or disembark on a cruise ). Most people who post on this site ( check for yourself if you don't believe me ), state that Southampton has virtually nothing to interest people passing through it , therefore it is simply a cruise ship bus stop and nothing more.
They should open up more of the old buildings as museums and maybe find somewhere to put all the art that is under lock and key on display, some more leisure activities besides cinemas and gambling would be a good idea too, maybe rebuild Royal pier while they're at it.
[quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Down but not out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wilsoncastaway[/bold] wrote: Yesterday I was in the city centre . I was surrounded by staff from the liners.So anyone who says that no one from a cruise shops in Southampton is talking pants.Incidently, what lovely people they are too.[/p][/quote]The staff off the ships may have been in the shops , but as I said very few cruise passengers bother to look around and spend money in Southampton.[/p][/quote]Cruise passengers contribute a huge amount to Southampton's economy in a variety ways. Pre and post cruise hotel stays generate income for hotel rooms, and passengers overnighting will probably spend further in shops and restaurants. Then there are taxis, baggage companies and the many other ancillary services associated with a vessel turnaround, not to mention the huge numbers of people that rely on these calls for employment .... and no doubt in turn spending their wages in the city ..... enough said![/p][/quote]Having studied postings on this site over many months , your own posters seem to agree with what I am trying to say , mainly that Southampton has no idea how to project and market itself so as to benefit from what is essentially a captured market ( In plain language, making the most of the visitors that it gets within its city boundary who are here to embark or disembark on a cruise ). Most people who post on this site ( check for yourself if you don't believe me ), state that Southampton has virtually nothing to interest people passing through it , therefore it is simply a cruise ship bus stop and nothing more.[/p][/quote]They should open up more of the old buildings as museums and maybe find somewhere to put all the art that is under lock and key on display, some more leisure activities besides cinemas and gambling would be a good idea too, maybe rebuild Royal pier while they're at it. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 0

2:45pm Sun 12 Jan 14

thinklikealocal says...

redsnapper wrote:
Rayment is completely out of her depth. Like all Councillors everywhere she revels in the title but delivers no solutions.

Councillors are generally local busy bodies with delusions of grandeur and no qualifications or experience to deal with the problems.

Hopefully this waste of space will be replaced by someone who cares.
decide what it is you want out of a Councillor. You complain that Councillors often have no experience or qualifications and then hope for one that cares next time.... Caring doesn't mean you have experience or qualifications!
[quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: Rayment is completely out of her depth. Like all Councillors everywhere she revels in the title but delivers no solutions. Councillors are generally local busy bodies with delusions of grandeur and no qualifications or experience to deal with the problems. Hopefully this waste of space will be replaced by someone who cares.[/p][/quote]decide what it is you want out of a Councillor. You complain that Councillors often have no experience or qualifications and then hope for one that cares next time.... Caring doesn't mean you have experience or qualifications! thinklikealocal
  • Score: 2

3:06pm Sun 12 Jan 14

redsnapper says...

thinklikealocal wrote:
redsnapper wrote:
Rayment is completely out of her depth. Like all Councillors everywhere she revels in the title but delivers no solutions.

Councillors are generally local busy bodies with delusions of grandeur and no qualifications or experience to deal with the problems.

Hopefully this waste of space will be replaced by someone who cares.
decide what it is you want out of a Councillor. You complain that Councillors often have no experience or qualifications and then hope for one that cares next time.... Caring doesn't mean you have experience or qualifications!
You are right, I meant someone who has qualification and at least some passion to fix the problems we are all agreed are ruining the city.s ability to function and make the necessary changes for the future.

It is clear that Rayment and her bosses have neither.
[quote][p][bold]thinklikealocal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: Rayment is completely out of her depth. Like all Councillors everywhere she revels in the title but delivers no solutions. Councillors are generally local busy bodies with delusions of grandeur and no qualifications or experience to deal with the problems. Hopefully this waste of space will be replaced by someone who cares.[/p][/quote]decide what it is you want out of a Councillor. You complain that Councillors often have no experience or qualifications and then hope for one that cares next time.... Caring doesn't mean you have experience or qualifications![/p][/quote]You are right, I meant someone who has qualification and at least some passion to fix the problems we are all agreed are ruining the city.s ability to function and make the necessary changes for the future. It is clear that Rayment and her bosses have neither. redsnapper
  • Score: 0

3:06pm Sun 12 Jan 14

03alpe01 says...

Graeme Harrison wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
Down but not out wrote:
in search of the truth wrote:
wilsoncastaway wrote:
Yesterday I was in the city centre . I was surrounded by staff from the liners.So anyone who says that no one from a cruise shops in Southampton is talking pants.Incidently, what lovely people they are too.
The staff off the ships may have been in the shops , but as I said very few cruise passengers bother to look around and spend money in Southampton.
Cruise passengers contribute a huge amount to Southampton's economy in a variety ways. Pre and post cruise hotel stays generate income for hotel rooms, and passengers overnighting will probably spend further in shops and restaurants. Then there are taxis, baggage companies and the many other ancillary services associated with a vessel turnaround, not to mention the huge numbers of people that rely on these calls for employment .... and no doubt in turn spending their wages in the city ..... enough said!
Having studied postings on this site over many months , your own posters seem to agree with what I am trying to say , mainly that Southampton has no idea how to project and market itself so as to benefit from what is essentially a captured market ( In plain language, making the most of the visitors that it gets within its city boundary who are here to embark or disembark on a cruise ). Most people who post on this site ( check for yourself if you don't believe me ), state that Southampton has virtually nothing to interest people passing through it , therefore it is simply a cruise ship bus stop and nothing more.
If only we had an ice-rink, people could skate round and round in circles for hours/days before they boarded their ships. It'd be a win/win situation, relieving congestion and getting people fit at the same time. Why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why why oh why why doesn't Southampton have an ice-rink?
I know, it would end all the traffic misery as well. Stick it in the City Centre = nobody going to the City Centre. Come on Southampton, get an ice rink!
[quote][p][bold]Graeme Harrison[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Down but not out[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]in search of the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wilsoncastaway[/bold] wrote: Yesterday I was in the city centre . I was surrounded by staff from the liners.So anyone who says that no one from a cruise shops in Southampton is talking pants.Incidently, what lovely people they are too.[/p][/quote]The staff off the ships may have been in the shops , but as I said very few cruise passengers bother to look around and spend money in Southampton.[/p][/quote]Cruise passengers contribute a huge amount to Southampton's economy in a variety ways. Pre and post cruise hotel stays generate income for hotel rooms, and passengers overnighting will probably spend further in shops and restaurants. Then there are taxis, baggage companies and the many other ancillary services associated with a vessel turnaround, not to mention the huge numbers of people that rely on these calls for employment .... and no doubt in turn spending their wages in the city ..... enough said![/p][/quote]Having studied postings on this site over many months , your own posters seem to agree with what I am trying to say , mainly that Southampton has no idea how to project and market itself so as to benefit from what is essentially a captured market ( In plain language, making the most of the visitors that it gets within its city boundary who are here to embark or disembark on a cruise ). Most people who post on this site ( check for yourself if you don't believe me ), state that Southampton has virtually nothing to interest people passing through it , therefore it is simply a cruise ship bus stop and nothing more.[/p][/quote]If only we had an ice-rink, people could skate round and round in circles for hours/days before they boarded their ships. It'd be a win/win situation, relieving congestion and getting people fit at the same time. Why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why why oh why why doesn't Southampton have an ice-rink?[/p][/quote]I know, it would end all the traffic misery as well. Stick it in the City Centre = nobody going to the City Centre. Come on Southampton, get an ice rink! 03alpe01
  • Score: -4

4:18pm Sun 12 Jan 14

george h says...

Estrella wrote:
For those cretins that are misinformed, opinionated and actually incorrect re Councillor Rayment's lack of response yesterday, I'm sure you will be surprised to know that she is also a human being with other responsibilities, she was hardly hiding and was actually at Southampton General Hospital with her daughter and poorly granddaughter. But you of course wouldn't know that because you read what the Echo have written and take it as gospel... If you keyboard warriors are that troubled by this report contact Councillor Rayment yourself.. Her details are freely available.

In future you would do well to fact find before you cast aspersions
Just a minute Estrella!

Is the Cllr a nurse too? Or a doctor? Her presence at SGH was not needed. Her ill grandchild would be in the perfectly good hands of the staff and her mother. Rayment, on the other hand stood for election, and pushed herself forward in the Labour Group for a top, high-flying job to help keep the city moving. Then on the one day that she might, just might, make some difference, she goes AWOL when the voters need her to be on top of the job she asked for.

Now I realise you are a friend, or maybe a relative with privileged access to Jacqui Rayment's social diary; but that hardly makes you unbiased. Rayment went AWOL at a critical time. The blame lies with her. She should offer her own excuses; not have a relative do it for her while she remains hidden. By any standard, that's cowardice.

There are many who haven't forgotten or forgiven her cretinous behaviour when she stabbed in the back her former leader, and then lied shamelessly about it. As the official inquiry found.
[quote][p][bold]Estrella[/bold] wrote: For those cretins that are misinformed, opinionated and actually incorrect re Councillor Rayment's lack of response yesterday, I'm sure you will be surprised to know that she is also a human being with other responsibilities, she was hardly hiding and was actually at Southampton General Hospital with her daughter and poorly granddaughter. But you of course wouldn't know that because you read what the Echo have written and take it as gospel... If you keyboard warriors are that troubled by this report contact Councillor Rayment yourself.. Her details are freely available. In future you would do well to fact find before you cast aspersions[/p][/quote]Just a minute Estrella! Is the Cllr a nurse too? Or a doctor? Her presence at SGH was not needed. Her ill grandchild would be in the perfectly good hands of the staff and her mother. Rayment, on the other hand stood for election, and pushed herself forward in the Labour Group for a top, high-flying job to help keep the city moving. Then on the one day that she might, just might, make some difference, she goes AWOL when the voters need her to be on top of the job she asked for. Now I realise you are a friend, or maybe a relative with privileged access to Jacqui Rayment's social diary; but that hardly makes you unbiased. Rayment went AWOL at a critical time. The blame lies with her. She should offer her own excuses; not have a relative do it for her while she remains hidden. By any standard, that's cowardice. There are many who haven't forgotten or forgiven her cretinous behaviour when she stabbed in the back her former leader, and then lied shamelessly about it. As the official inquiry found. george h
  • Score: 5

9:55pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Hampshire Hog says...

Well i use to always shop in Southampton always have since i was a teenager. However i no longer even think about going to Southampton unless its an absolute must. Even without their being any big event happening the place is now a complete nightmare to get into mainly because they have more traffic lights than anywhere in Europe so i believe from this being one of the Daily Echo's headlines a good few years ago. If i do have to go i intend to take the train rather than drive.
Well i use to always shop in Southampton always have since i was a teenager. However i no longer even think about going to Southampton unless its an absolute must. Even without their being any big event happening the place is now a complete nightmare to get into mainly because they have more traffic lights than anywhere in Europe so i believe from this being one of the Daily Echo's headlines a good few years ago. If i do have to go i intend to take the train rather than drive. Hampshire Hog
  • Score: 0

5:18am Mon 13 Jan 14

Luma1984 says...

hulla baloo wrote:
Luma1984 wrote: Without your Council, the City would fall apart! Have you been to Sunderland or Liverpool? Having 5 Ships in at the same time is ridiculous! Blame the operations team of the cruise companies that bring all the ships in in one go! It's called a lack of communication on there part! Not the Council. Royston Smith can't say much, he's just as useful as a chocolate tea pot! Rant Over!
It is not the cruise operators fault the city cannot cope, and why should they reorganise their schedules to make an incompotent council look better? This situation has been coming for years, and to some degree, happening for years, and nothing has been done. Shame on all the councils.
hulla baloo... Do you really expect Southampton with normal day to day triffic (Rush Hour or Not) add another 10,000 "passengers for the 5 cruise ships" travelling into Southampton via coach, bus or taxi all going into one area of Southampton to cope in one day??? No City would be able to cope!
The only way to manage the traffic on our roads in this incident is to communicate with the cruise liners and organise which one will arrive/depart and the cruise liners can choose a date so that the is one arriving and departing per day.
I totally agree that this should have been organised well before the ships came into dock, but hey nobody is perfect. The Council and Cruise liners will have to look at eachother and say "We should allow 1 ship per day to keep traffic levels flowing.
The roads leading to Dock Gate 4 & 10 are tight and very busy all the time.
Once again, the general public like to point the finger straight at the council, but it takes 2 to tango! Carnival & the other co's need to look and help out too... Simples
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Luma1984[/bold] wrote: Without your Council, the City would fall apart! Have you been to Sunderland or Liverpool? Having 5 Ships in at the same time is ridiculous! Blame the operations team of the cruise companies that bring all the ships in in one go! It's called a lack of communication on there part! Not the Council. Royston Smith can't say much, he's just as useful as a chocolate tea pot! Rant Over![/p][/quote]It is not the cruise operators fault the city cannot cope, and why should they reorganise their schedules to make an incompotent council look better? This situation has been coming for years, and to some degree, happening for years, and nothing has been done. Shame on all the councils.[/p][/quote]hulla baloo... Do you really expect Southampton with normal day to day triffic (Rush Hour or Not) add another 10,000 "passengers for the 5 cruise ships" travelling into Southampton via coach, bus or taxi all going into one area of Southampton to cope in one day??? No City would be able to cope! The only way to manage the traffic on our roads in this incident is to communicate with the cruise liners and organise which one will arrive/depart and the cruise liners can choose a date so that the is one arriving and departing per day. I totally agree that this should have been organised well before the ships came into dock, but hey nobody is perfect. The Council and Cruise liners will have to look at eachother and say "We should allow 1 ship per day to keep traffic levels flowing. The roads leading to Dock Gate 4 & 10 are tight and very busy all the time. Once again, the general public like to point the finger straight at the council, but it takes 2 to tango! Carnival & the other co's need to look and help out too... Simples Luma1984
  • Score: 0

6:48am Mon 13 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Luma1984 wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Luma1984 wrote: Without your Council, the City would fall apart! Have you been to Sunderland or Liverpool? Having 5 Ships in at the same time is ridiculous! Blame the operations team of the cruise companies that bring all the ships in in one go! It's called a lack of communication on there part! Not the Council. Royston Smith can't say much, he's just as useful as a chocolate tea pot! Rant Over!
It is not the cruise operators fault the city cannot cope, and why should they reorganise their schedules to make an incompotent council look better? This situation has been coming for years, and to some degree, happening for years, and nothing has been done. Shame on all the councils.
hulla baloo... Do you really expect Southampton with normal day to day triffic (Rush Hour or Not) add another 10,000 "passengers for the 5 cruise ships" travelling into Southampton via coach, bus or taxi all going into one area of Southampton to cope in one day??? No City would be able to cope!
The only way to manage the traffic on our roads in this incident is to communicate with the cruise liners and organise which one will arrive/depart and the cruise liners can choose a date so that the is one arriving and departing per day.
I totally agree that this should have been organised well before the ships came into dock, but hey nobody is perfect. The Council and Cruise liners will have to look at eachother and say "We should allow 1 ship per day to keep traffic levels flowing.
The roads leading to Dock Gate 4 & 10 are tight and very busy all the time.
Once again, the general public like to point the finger straight at the council, but it takes 2 to tango! Carnival & the other co's need to look and help out too... Simples
again another poster who's got it so badly wrong! the roads to dockgate ten were empty & the gate by trust house fortes/mayflower park & there was three cruise ships in those docks.
If anyone tries to tell the cruise companies how many ships can come in at one time then kiss goodbye to those companies & all the jobs in the docks & the hotels.
Surely the council make it clear on when road works are to take place & for how long then the people with any intelligence will look for alternative routes won't they?
Why not tell West Quay it has to shut & only open so many shops per day to ease the traffic? after all the ships were here way before West Quay so let's see what Ikea & all the other shops will say to that idea?
[quote][p][bold]Luma1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Luma1984[/bold] wrote: Without your Council, the City would fall apart! Have you been to Sunderland or Liverpool? Having 5 Ships in at the same time is ridiculous! Blame the operations team of the cruise companies that bring all the ships in in one go! It's called a lack of communication on there part! Not the Council. Royston Smith can't say much, he's just as useful as a chocolate tea pot! Rant Over![/p][/quote]It is not the cruise operators fault the city cannot cope, and why should they reorganise their schedules to make an incompotent council look better? This situation has been coming for years, and to some degree, happening for years, and nothing has been done. Shame on all the councils.[/p][/quote]hulla baloo... Do you really expect Southampton with normal day to day triffic (Rush Hour or Not) add another 10,000 "passengers for the 5 cruise ships" travelling into Southampton via coach, bus or taxi all going into one area of Southampton to cope in one day??? No City would be able to cope! The only way to manage the traffic on our roads in this incident is to communicate with the cruise liners and organise which one will arrive/depart and the cruise liners can choose a date so that the is one arriving and departing per day. I totally agree that this should have been organised well before the ships came into dock, but hey nobody is perfect. The Council and Cruise liners will have to look at eachother and say "We should allow 1 ship per day to keep traffic levels flowing. The roads leading to Dock Gate 4 & 10 are tight and very busy all the time. Once again, the general public like to point the finger straight at the council, but it takes 2 to tango! Carnival & the other co's need to look and help out too... Simples[/p][/quote]again another poster who's got it so badly wrong! the roads to dockgate ten were empty & the gate by trust house fortes/mayflower park & there was three cruise ships in those docks. If anyone tries to tell the cruise companies how many ships can come in at one time then kiss goodbye to those companies & all the jobs in the docks & the hotels. Surely the council make it clear on when road works are to take place & for how long then the people with any intelligence will look for alternative routes won't they? Why not tell West Quay it has to shut & only open so many shops per day to ease the traffic? after all the ships were here way before West Quay so let's see what Ikea & all the other shops will say to that idea? loosehead
  • Score: 0

12:13pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Kiera_Malone says...

The fact that cruise ships are in are NOT the issue. THIS IS A CRUISE PORT!!! For years it has coped with increasing passenger numbers and ships. The REAL reason is the stupid roadworks they have decided to put in place without serious considerations.

How come is it that a few days ago there were severe holdups along the main roads into Southampton when there were NO CRUISE SHIPS IN PORT!!! This shows that the ships are not the reason behind the issues.
The fact that cruise ships are in are NOT the issue. THIS IS A CRUISE PORT!!! For years it has coped with increasing passenger numbers and ships. The REAL reason is the stupid roadworks they have decided to put in place without serious considerations. How come is it that a few days ago there were severe holdups along the main roads into Southampton when there were NO CRUISE SHIPS IN PORT!!! This shows that the ships are not the reason behind the issues. Kiera_Malone
  • Score: 2

12:46pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Luma1984 wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Luma1984 wrote: Without your Council, the City would fall apart! Have you been to Sunderland or Liverpool? Having 5 Ships in at the same time is ridiculous! Blame the operations team of the cruise companies that bring all the ships in in one go! It's called a lack of communication on there part! Not the Council. Royston Smith can't say much, he's just as useful as a chocolate tea pot! Rant Over!
It is not the cruise operators fault the city cannot cope, and why should they reorganise their schedules to make an incompotent council look better? This situation has been coming for years, and to some degree, happening for years, and nothing has been done. Shame on all the councils.
hulla baloo... Do you really expect Southampton with normal day to day triffic (Rush Hour or Not) add another 10,000 "passengers for the 5 cruise ships" travelling into Southampton via coach, bus or taxi all going into one area of Southampton to cope in one day??? No City would be able to cope!
The only way to manage the traffic on our roads in this incident is to communicate with the cruise liners and organise which one will arrive/depart and the cruise liners can choose a date so that the is one arriving and departing per day.
I totally agree that this should have been organised well before the ships came into dock, but hey nobody is perfect. The Council and Cruise liners will have to look at eachother and say "We should allow 1 ship per day to keep traffic levels flowing.
The roads leading to Dock Gate 4 & 10 are tight and very busy all the time.
Once again, the general public like to point the finger straight at the council, but it takes 2 to tango! Carnival & the other co's need to look and help out too... Simples
Rotterdam can handle 5 or more at once but then their port is serviced by road, rail, inland ships and coastal ships, not to mention water taxi's.
[quote][p][bold]Luma1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Luma1984[/bold] wrote: Without your Council, the City would fall apart! Have you been to Sunderland or Liverpool? Having 5 Ships in at the same time is ridiculous! Blame the operations team of the cruise companies that bring all the ships in in one go! It's called a lack of communication on there part! Not the Council. Royston Smith can't say much, he's just as useful as a chocolate tea pot! Rant Over![/p][/quote]It is not the cruise operators fault the city cannot cope, and why should they reorganise their schedules to make an incompotent council look better? This situation has been coming for years, and to some degree, happening for years, and nothing has been done. Shame on all the councils.[/p][/quote]hulla baloo... Do you really expect Southampton with normal day to day triffic (Rush Hour or Not) add another 10,000 "passengers for the 5 cruise ships" travelling into Southampton via coach, bus or taxi all going into one area of Southampton to cope in one day??? No City would be able to cope! The only way to manage the traffic on our roads in this incident is to communicate with the cruise liners and organise which one will arrive/depart and the cruise liners can choose a date so that the is one arriving and departing per day. I totally agree that this should have been organised well before the ships came into dock, but hey nobody is perfect. The Council and Cruise liners will have to look at eachother and say "We should allow 1 ship per day to keep traffic levels flowing. The roads leading to Dock Gate 4 & 10 are tight and very busy all the time. Once again, the general public like to point the finger straight at the council, but it takes 2 to tango! Carnival & the other co's need to look and help out too... Simples[/p][/quote]Rotterdam can handle 5 or more at once but then their port is serviced by road, rail, inland ships and coastal ships, not to mention water taxi's. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 0

5:57pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

A nice Port but its the age of the Car we used to have a great Railway but its now a Car Park now is the time for a Docklands Railway linking the Port and far flung places!
A nice Port but its the age of the Car we used to have a great Railway but its now a Car Park now is the time for a Docklands Railway linking the Port and far flung places! Fatty x Ford Worker
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