Southampton's traffic jams were ‘not enough’ to start crisis plan, says city council

Daily Echo: GRIDLOCK: Motorists faced three-hour delays on roads in Southampton on Friday GRIDLOCK: Motorists faced three-hour delays on roads in Southampton on Friday

CIVIC chiefs did not put Southampton’s emergency traffic plan into action when the city’s roads ground to a halt on Friday, the Daily Echo can reveal.

Motorists were stuck in three hours of gridlock, forcing some cruise passengers to abandon their cars and taxis and pensioners to urinate in the street.

The standstill that saw three-mile tailbacks centred on West Quay Road was described as an “embarrassment” to the city.

But despite the chaos, city council chiefs have confirmed that although an emergency traffic plan exists, it was not put into action on Friday.

Instead the city council put out a statement in the name of transport supremo Cllr Jacqui Rayment saying: “We are aware that drivers have been experiencing delays in the city centre and we regret any inconvenience caused.”

Last night Cllr Rayment, said: “There is an emergency traffic plan in place.

“It was not used on Friday as this is designed to provide procedures for dealing with ‘emergency situations’ such as major accidents or a significant gas leak on the network.

“The traffic build-up across the network on Friday could not be resolved by the emergency traffic plan.”

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Friday’s gridlock was the third time in as many months that the city centre had been brought to a standstill by traffic jams.

Major roadworks are taking place at both Platform Road and the Itchen Bridge.

And with thousands of people driving in and out of the city to make their way to the five cruise ships docked in the port, traffic ground to a halt throughout the city.

Tailbacks were reported as far away as the M271.

Yesterday the Daily Echo revealed that transport chiefs would be holding crisis talks to make sure the traffic chaos was not repeated.

Labour council bosses, highways contractor Balfour Beatty and port chiefs were due to meet today after council leader Simon Letts vowed to take action.

 

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11:21am Tue 14 Jan 14

CarlyKin says...

Cant believe they have admitted to having this and not putting it in place. Surely Friday is a perfect example of when it should be used!!!! Await the backlash Soton City Council. Jackie Rayment needs to step down - her position is surely untenable now.
Cant believe they have admitted to having this and not putting it in place. Surely Friday is a perfect example of when it should be used!!!! Await the backlash Soton City Council. Jackie Rayment needs to step down - her position is surely untenable now. CarlyKin
  • Score: 25

11:23am Tue 14 Jan 14

adamello says...

CarlyKin wrote:
Cant believe they have admitted to having this and not putting it in place. Surely Friday is a perfect example of when it should be used!!!! Await the backlash Soton City Council. Jackie Rayment needs to step down - her position is surely untenable now.
but it also said, if the plan was put in place it would not solve the problem, it would not magic the cars away!
[quote][p][bold]CarlyKin[/bold] wrote: Cant believe they have admitted to having this and not putting it in place. Surely Friday is a perfect example of when it should be used!!!! Await the backlash Soton City Council. Jackie Rayment needs to step down - her position is surely untenable now.[/p][/quote]but it also said, if the plan was put in place it would not solve the problem, it would not magic the cars away! adamello
  • Score: 14

11:34am Tue 14 Jan 14

chimneysweep 1234 says...

Worst council in uk
Worst council in uk chimneysweep 1234
  • Score: 22

11:39am Tue 14 Jan 14

every day is like sunday says...

So what *is* the emergency plan, Echo?
So what *is* the emergency plan, Echo? every day is like sunday
  • Score: 13

11:54am Tue 14 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

chimneysweep 1234 wrote:
Worst council in uk
You need to get out more
[quote][p][bold]chimneysweep 1234[/bold] wrote: Worst council in uk[/p][/quote]You need to get out more Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -9

11:55am Tue 14 Jan 14

Micle1974 says...

They should have digital LED traffic signs on route into the city to give drivers advice.
The avenue and thomas lewis way should be widened slightly and paint 4 clear lanes to aloow alternative roughtes other than the M271.
M27 J6 should have been built
Build a park and ride.
They should have digital LED traffic signs on route into the city to give drivers advice. The avenue and thomas lewis way should be widened slightly and paint 4 clear lanes to aloow alternative roughtes other than the M271. M27 J6 should have been built Build a park and ride. Micle1974
  • Score: 22

11:57am Tue 14 Jan 14

jen1 says...

I too would love to see this plan. The best plan IMO would be have a massive rethink of the whole of Southampton. We have so much traffic trying to get to the same place and roads that criss cross each other and why on earth was IKEA allowed to go there, adding to the problems?

I hate going into Southampton so much that I avoid it as much as possible, coming from the West and queueing at traffic lights for ages, is stressful.
I too would love to see this plan. The best plan IMO would be have a massive rethink of the whole of Southampton. We have so much traffic trying to get to the same place and roads that criss cross each other and why on earth was IKEA allowed to go there, adding to the problems? I hate going into Southampton so much that I avoid it as much as possible, coming from the West and queueing at traffic lights for ages, is stressful. jen1
  • Score: 14

12:17pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Mary80 says...

That roundabout leading to Ikea is without fail always clogged its why i use the road that takes you into Woolston, its quicker and less clogged to get into town
That roundabout leading to Ikea is without fail always clogged its why i use the road that takes you into Woolston, its quicker and less clogged to get into town Mary80
  • Score: 6

12:27pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Smeeinnit says...

When the cruise ship companies leave Southampton and move to Liverpool, don't say you wasn't warned Southampton City Council.
When the cruise ship companies leave Southampton and move to Liverpool, don't say you wasn't warned Southampton City Council. Smeeinnit
  • Score: 30

12:35pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Brusher Mills says...

You travel into southampton at the weekend you have to start queuing by Millbrook Station on Millbrook Road. I prefere Winchester now on a Sunday, free parking, traditional high street out in the fresh air, nice markets to browse and all the shops I need. It's more attractive and less stressful.
You travel into southampton at the weekend you have to start queuing by Millbrook Station on Millbrook Road. I prefere Winchester now on a Sunday, free parking, traditional high street out in the fresh air, nice markets to browse and all the shops I need. It's more attractive and less stressful. Brusher Mills
  • Score: 25

12:38pm Tue 14 Jan 14

S!monOn says...

Mary80 wrote:
That roundabout leading to Ikea is without fail always clogged its why i use the road that takes you into Woolston, its quicker and less clogged to get into town
Sorry, but how does "the road that takes you into Woolston" help those people trying to reach the docks or Ikea or West Quay?
[quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: That roundabout leading to Ikea is without fail always clogged its why i use the road that takes you into Woolston, its quicker and less clogged to get into town[/p][/quote]Sorry, but how does "the road that takes you into Woolston" help those people trying to reach the docks or Ikea or West Quay? S!monOn
  • Score: 8

12:38pm Tue 14 Jan 14

anniswindsor says...

Smeeinnit wrote:
When the cruise ship companies leave Southampton and move to Liverpool, don't say you wasn't warned Southampton City Council.
My sentiments exactly. It just shows how little the councillors and SCC think of Southampton. Maybe they should remember who pays their wages!!
[quote][p][bold]Smeeinnit[/bold] wrote: When the cruise ship companies leave Southampton and move to Liverpool, don't say you wasn't warned Southampton City Council.[/p][/quote]My sentiments exactly. It just shows how little the councillors and SCC think of Southampton. Maybe they should remember who pays their wages!! anniswindsor
  • Score: 20

12:46pm Tue 14 Jan 14

sotonboy84 says...

Maybe Councillor Rayment should add "gridlocked for hours due to cruise ships, road works and incompetent council" to her list of emergencies.
Maybe Councillor Rayment should add "gridlocked for hours due to cruise ships, road works and incompetent council" to her list of emergencies. sotonboy84
  • Score: 17

1:06pm Tue 14 Jan 14

sotonboy84 says...

Smeeinnit wrote:
When the cruise ship companies leave Southampton and move to Liverpool, don't say you wasn't warned Southampton City Council.
But why would they move to Liverpool? There may be a cruise industry in Liverpool but geographically, the industry will never completely leave the South for the North.
[quote][p][bold]Smeeinnit[/bold] wrote: When the cruise ship companies leave Southampton and move to Liverpool, don't say you wasn't warned Southampton City Council.[/p][/quote]But why would they move to Liverpool? There may be a cruise industry in Liverpool but geographically, the industry will never completely leave the South for the North. sotonboy84
  • Score: -1

1:13pm Tue 14 Jan 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

So they have an emergency traffic plan but this is only for emergency services...so basically they don't have a plan for excess traffic jams! This is what has been suspected all along. It is brought up every time a new development gets the green light in the area and every time it is ignored. I now look forward to this traffic problem escalating and hope it deters visitors to the city. The Sea City museum will soon have to close down as will a lot of shops in the area but hey at least there's a nice park to walk through on the few sunny days each year!
So they have an emergency traffic plan but this is only for emergency services...so basically they don't have a plan for excess traffic jams! This is what has been suspected all along. It is brought up every time a new development gets the green light in the area and every time it is ignored. I now look forward to this traffic problem escalating and hope it deters visitors to the city. The Sea City museum will soon have to close down as will a lot of shops in the area but hey at least there's a nice park to walk through on the few sunny days each year! allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 8

1:15pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Brusher Mills wrote:
You travel into southampton at the weekend you have to start queuing by Millbrook Station on Millbrook Road. I prefere Winchester now on a Sunday, free parking, traditional high street out in the fresh air, nice markets to browse and all the shops I need. It's more attractive and less stressful.
Here here Brusher!
[quote][p][bold]Brusher Mills[/bold] wrote: You travel into southampton at the weekend you have to start queuing by Millbrook Station on Millbrook Road. I prefere Winchester now on a Sunday, free parking, traditional high street out in the fresh air, nice markets to browse and all the shops I need. It's more attractive and less stressful.[/p][/quote]Here here Brusher! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 8

1:19pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Positively4thStreet says...

adamello wrote:
CarlyKin wrote:
Cant believe they have admitted to having this and not putting it in place. Surely Friday is a perfect example of when it should be used!!!! Await the backlash Soton City Council. Jackie Rayment needs to step down - her position is surely untenable now.
but it also said, if the plan was put in place it would not solve the problem, it would not magic the cars away!
The plan will be used in the event of a nuclear war.
[quote][p][bold]adamello[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CarlyKin[/bold] wrote: Cant believe they have admitted to having this and not putting it in place. Surely Friday is a perfect example of when it should be used!!!! Await the backlash Soton City Council. Jackie Rayment needs to step down - her position is surely untenable now.[/p][/quote]but it also said, if the plan was put in place it would not solve the problem, it would not magic the cars away![/p][/quote]The plan will be used in the event of a nuclear war. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

1:21pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Avery T Decanary says...

How is the Rayment person qualified? I would trust her to run a tap let alone this city's transport. No doubt she spent Friday, eyes shut, fingers in her ears shouting la la la.
How is the Rayment person qualified? I would trust her to run a tap let alone this city's transport. No doubt she spent Friday, eyes shut, fingers in her ears shouting la la la. Avery T Decanary
  • Score: 12

1:23pm Tue 14 Jan 14

tootle says...

Not an emergency situation? Hmm? Maybe the criteria should be "are the roads passable by the emergency services"? If not then something should have been done. IMO Cllr Rayments position should have been untenable when the previous leader resigned. She is hardly going to stand down over a traffic jam!
Not an emergency situation? Hmm? Maybe the criteria should be "are the roads passable by the emergency services"? If not then something should have been done. IMO Cllr Rayments position should have been untenable when the previous leader resigned. She is hardly going to stand down over a traffic jam! tootle
  • Score: 11

1:31pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Smartiepants says...

Jackie Rayment, you and your council are useless. Why don't you do us all a favour and leave us to put our disfunctional city back together.
Jackie Rayment, you and your council are useless. Why don't you do us all a favour and leave us to put our disfunctional city back together. Smartiepants
  • Score: 15

1:43pm Tue 14 Jan 14

loosehead says...

why not ask Jeremy Moulton what was said between ABP.cruise Companies & the then Tory council?
it seems crazy that a person who's been proven to lie to the press & the electorate in such an important role (Rayment).
maybe as with the Green grant they should talk to the Tories & see what proposals were put forward at Jeremy Moultons talks?
Then sack the idiot who allowed the cycle way works to go ahead whilst the road works were taking place at dock gate 4.
most traffic I saw wasn't heading into West Quay or Ikea but to the Itchen Bridge so the reason for these traffic jams lay squarely at the road works & the person who let them take place at the same time doesn't it?
any way local elections soon who ya gonna vote for? this waste of space council?
why not ask Jeremy Moulton what was said between ABP.cruise Companies & the then Tory council? it seems crazy that a person who's been proven to lie to the press & the electorate in such an important role (Rayment). maybe as with the Green grant they should talk to the Tories & see what proposals were put forward at Jeremy Moultons talks? Then sack the idiot who allowed the cycle way works to go ahead whilst the road works were taking place at dock gate 4. most traffic I saw wasn't heading into West Quay or Ikea but to the Itchen Bridge so the reason for these traffic jams lay squarely at the road works & the person who let them take place at the same time doesn't it? any way local elections soon who ya gonna vote for? this waste of space council? loosehead
  • Score: 2

1:53pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
why not ask Jeremy Moulton what was said between ABP.cruise Companies & the then Tory council?
it seems crazy that a person who's been proven to lie to the press & the electorate in such an important role (Rayment).
maybe as with the Green grant they should talk to the Tories & see what proposals were put forward at Jeremy Moultons talks?
Then sack the idiot who allowed the cycle way works to go ahead whilst the road works were taking place at dock gate 4.
most traffic I saw wasn't heading into West Quay or Ikea but to the Itchen Bridge so the reason for these traffic jams lay squarely at the road works & the person who let them take place at the same time doesn't it?
any way local elections soon who ya gonna vote for? this waste of space council?
Who ya gonna vote for !!! ....... definately not the mob that allows a public health issue with bin bags rotting on the side of the roads for weeks .........
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: why not ask Jeremy Moulton what was said between ABP.cruise Companies & the then Tory council? it seems crazy that a person who's been proven to lie to the press & the electorate in such an important role (Rayment). maybe as with the Green grant they should talk to the Tories & see what proposals were put forward at Jeremy Moultons talks? Then sack the idiot who allowed the cycle way works to go ahead whilst the road works were taking place at dock gate 4. most traffic I saw wasn't heading into West Quay or Ikea but to the Itchen Bridge so the reason for these traffic jams lay squarely at the road works & the person who let them take place at the same time doesn't it? any way local elections soon who ya gonna vote for? this waste of space council?[/p][/quote]Who ya gonna vote for !!! ....... definately not the mob that allows a public health issue with bin bags rotting on the side of the roads for weeks ......... Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -1

1:56pm Tue 14 Jan 14

AndyWinch says...

I think the Avenue is one of the weakest links.

Paint proper lanes, ideally reversible at peak times and reprogram the signals on the way to give priority to the heaviest flow - ie. inbound / outbound trafic in morning / evening.

Reversible lanes could easily see cycle lanes and 2 outbound / 1 inbound lanes with proper markings without needing to widen the road in most places.
I think the Avenue is one of the weakest links. Paint proper lanes, ideally reversible at peak times and reprogram the signals on the way to give priority to the heaviest flow - ie. inbound / outbound trafic in morning / evening. Reversible lanes could easily see cycle lanes and 2 outbound / 1 inbound lanes with proper markings without needing to widen the road in most places. AndyWinch
  • Score: 1

2:01pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Brizzler says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Smeeinnit wrote:
When the cruise ship companies leave Southampton and move to Liverpool, don't say you wasn't warned Southampton City Council.
But why would they move to Liverpool? There may be a cruise industry in Liverpool but geographically, the industry will never completely leave the South for the North.
I think you're wrong. Yes geographically the South makes sense, however if passengers can't get to the terminal to get to their ship in good time why would they bother coming south? It's not even as if Southampton is an attractive place to visit anymore. Also you should consider that Bristol are trying to get more & more cruises to leave from here. If they succeed and Southampton continues to falter then its not a massive leap in imagination to see passengers using Bristol instead of Southampton.

If I was planning a cruise right now, I would balance it like this: (I'm estimating it takes about an hour to get parked, check in and get on the ship) It would take me 3 hours to get to Liverpool from Bristol. I'll get to the terminal, go straight in and be on my ship all in approx 4 hours.

Alternatively, I could drive 2 hours to get to Southampton from Bristol, queue for approx 3 hours (maybe longer) just to get to the terminal and then get in and get on the ship. So in total around 6 hours.

So I could lose 2 hours of my life leaving from Southampton or I can leave from Liverpool and spend the additional two hours looking around Liverpool \ enjoying the ship.

Bit of a no-brainer for me and I'm sure it's the same for plenty of other cruise goers.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Smeeinnit[/bold] wrote: When the cruise ship companies leave Southampton and move to Liverpool, don't say you wasn't warned Southampton City Council.[/p][/quote]But why would they move to Liverpool? There may be a cruise industry in Liverpool but geographically, the industry will never completely leave the South for the North.[/p][/quote]I think you're wrong. Yes geographically the South makes sense, however if passengers can't get to the terminal to get to their ship in good time why would they bother coming south? It's not even as if Southampton is an attractive place to visit anymore. Also you should consider that Bristol are trying to get more & more cruises to leave from here. If they succeed and Southampton continues to falter then its not a massive leap in imagination to see passengers using Bristol instead of Southampton. If I was planning a cruise right now, I would balance it like this: (I'm estimating it takes about an hour to get parked, check in and get on the ship) It would take me 3 hours to get to Liverpool from Bristol. I'll get to the terminal, go straight in and be on my ship all in approx 4 hours. Alternatively, I could drive 2 hours to get to Southampton from Bristol, queue for approx 3 hours (maybe longer) just to get to the terminal and then get in and get on the ship. So in total around 6 hours. So I could lose 2 hours of my life leaving from Southampton or I can leave from Liverpool and spend the additional two hours looking around Liverpool \ enjoying the ship. Bit of a no-brainer for me and I'm sure it's the same for plenty of other cruise goers. Brizzler
  • Score: 4

2:18pm Tue 14 Jan 14

vpharm says...

Gridlocked roads equals police, fire & ambulances are delayed!
Surely that should mean major incident plans be put into action?

Why don't they build a cruise terminal on the isle of wight with a tunnel or bridge crossing thus bypassing southampton completely?
The island could do with the cruise & dock jobs.
Gridlocked roads equals police, fire & ambulances are delayed! Surely that should mean major incident plans be put into action? Why don't they build a cruise terminal on the isle of wight with a tunnel or bridge crossing thus bypassing southampton completely? The island could do with the cruise & dock jobs. vpharm
  • Score: 4

2:19pm Tue 14 Jan 14

redsnapper says...

May I suggest the DE stops using the ridiculous descriptions of the bumbling idiots as Cheifs and Supremos. They are nothing of the sort, They have consistently failed to deliver any improvement or any solutions for the future.

Raiment can apologise and cry crocodile tears but the sooner she is moved to traffic warden duty the better.

Keep up the good work Echo and continue to expose how ineffective these imbeciles all are.
May I suggest the DE stops using the ridiculous descriptions of the bumbling idiots as Cheifs and Supremos. They are nothing of the sort, They have consistently failed to deliver any improvement or any solutions for the future. Raiment can apologise and cry crocodile tears but the sooner she is moved to traffic warden duty the better. Keep up the good work Echo and continue to expose how ineffective these imbeciles all are. redsnapper
  • Score: 7

2:33pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Costa Baz says...

I don't have any knowledge of the roads, outside or leading to Liverpool Docks, so does anyone actually know if they would cope any better, in a similar situation?
Just asking.
I don't have any knowledge of the roads, outside or leading to Liverpool Docks, so does anyone actually know if they would cope any better, in a similar situation? Just asking. Costa Baz
  • Score: 2

2:40pm Tue 14 Jan 14

aldermoorboy says...

Vote Tory for an honest decent council.
Vote Tory for an honest decent council. aldermoorboy
  • Score: -2

3:02pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Portswood Pete says...

Brizzler wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Smeeinnit wrote: When the cruise ship companies leave Southampton and move to Liverpool, don't say you wasn't warned Southampton City Council.
But why would they move to Liverpool? There may be a cruise industry in Liverpool but geographically, the industry will never completely leave the South for the North.
I think you're wrong. Yes geographically the South makes sense, however if passengers can't get to the terminal to get to their ship in good time why would they bother coming south? It's not even as if Southampton is an attractive place to visit anymore. Also you should consider that Bristol are trying to get more & more cruises to leave from here. If they succeed and Southampton continues to falter then its not a massive leap in imagination to see passengers using Bristol instead of Southampton. If I was planning a cruise right now, I would balance it like this: (I'm estimating it takes about an hour to get parked, check in and get on the ship) It would take me 3 hours to get to Liverpool from Bristol. I'll get to the terminal, go straight in and be on my ship all in approx 4 hours. Alternatively, I could drive 2 hours to get to Southampton from Bristol, queue for approx 3 hours (maybe longer) just to get to the terminal and then get in and get on the ship. So in total around 6 hours. So I could lose 2 hours of my life leaving from Southampton or I can leave from Liverpool and spend the additional two hours looking around Liverpool \ enjoying the ship. Bit of a no-brainer for me and I'm sure it's the same for plenty of other cruise goers.
I have no idea myself but could Bristol cope with 5 cruise ships in at the same time? I doubt it.
The Platform Road works were needed, the only real problem was A) scheduling the Itchen Bridge works at the same time and B) doing the Itchen Bridge works at all! Totally needless.
[quote][p][bold]Brizzler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Smeeinnit[/bold] wrote: When the cruise ship companies leave Southampton and move to Liverpool, don't say you wasn't warned Southampton City Council.[/p][/quote]But why would they move to Liverpool? There may be a cruise industry in Liverpool but geographically, the industry will never completely leave the South for the North.[/p][/quote]I think you're wrong. Yes geographically the South makes sense, however if passengers can't get to the terminal to get to their ship in good time why would they bother coming south? It's not even as if Southampton is an attractive place to visit anymore. Also you should consider that Bristol are trying to get more & more cruises to leave from here. If they succeed and Southampton continues to falter then its not a massive leap in imagination to see passengers using Bristol instead of Southampton. If I was planning a cruise right now, I would balance it like this: (I'm estimating it takes about an hour to get parked, check in and get on the ship) It would take me 3 hours to get to Liverpool from Bristol. I'll get to the terminal, go straight in and be on my ship all in approx 4 hours. Alternatively, I could drive 2 hours to get to Southampton from Bristol, queue for approx 3 hours (maybe longer) just to get to the terminal and then get in and get on the ship. So in total around 6 hours. So I could lose 2 hours of my life leaving from Southampton or I can leave from Liverpool and spend the additional two hours looking around Liverpool \ enjoying the ship. Bit of a no-brainer for me and I'm sure it's the same for plenty of other cruise goers.[/p][/quote]I have no idea myself but could Bristol cope with 5 cruise ships in at the same time? I doubt it. The Platform Road works were needed, the only real problem was A) scheduling the Itchen Bridge works at the same time and B) doing the Itchen Bridge works at all! Totally needless. Portswood Pete
  • Score: 5

3:04pm Tue 14 Jan 14

dango says...

every day is like sunday wrote:
So what *is* the emergency plan, Echo?
I bet there isn't one.
[quote][p][bold]every day is like sunday[/bold] wrote: So what *is* the emergency plan, Echo?[/p][/quote]I bet there isn't one. dango
  • Score: 4

3:07pm Tue 14 Jan 14

dango says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
adamello wrote:
CarlyKin wrote:
Cant believe they have admitted to having this and not putting it in place. Surely Friday is a perfect example of when it should be used!!!! Await the backlash Soton City Council. Jackie Rayment needs to step down - her position is surely untenable now.
but it also said, if the plan was put in place it would not solve the problem, it would not magic the cars away!
The plan will be used in the event of a nuclear war.
well at least is there's one, they can completely rethink the road layout afterwards :D
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adamello[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CarlyKin[/bold] wrote: Cant believe they have admitted to having this and not putting it in place. Surely Friday is a perfect example of when it should be used!!!! Await the backlash Soton City Council. Jackie Rayment needs to step down - her position is surely untenable now.[/p][/quote]but it also said, if the plan was put in place it would not solve the problem, it would not magic the cars away![/p][/quote]The plan will be used in the event of a nuclear war.[/p][/quote]well at least is there's one, they can completely rethink the road layout afterwards :D dango
  • Score: 2

3:25pm Tue 14 Jan 14

malcher says...

Bristol could not handle the larger cruise ships at the moment and both Bristol and Liverpool would suffer the same access problems that our docks does. The difference that they would surely do something about it!
Much as it is something we would like, we cannot pander too much to our clcist friends. The geography of our city does not allow it without serious investment. More is required than a few lines painted on existing roads, which just resricts traffic flow. (try St. Denys Road from Thomas Lewis Way towards Cobden Bridge!)
Whoever the genius was who designed the bottle neck at the entrance to Mayflower Park where four lanes are reduced to two should be sent there to see the results of there decision.
Why can,t the council talk to tne port operators about ways to use dock gate 20 at busy times for access to cruise terminals in tne Western Docks. What about boat trains?
At the moment it is farcical and we will loose business passenger and commercial, unless access to the port is improved.
Bristol could not handle the larger cruise ships at the moment and both Bristol and Liverpool would suffer the same access problems that our docks does. The difference that they would surely do something about it! Much as it is something we would like, we cannot pander too much to our clcist friends. The geography of our city does not allow it without serious investment. More is required than a few lines painted on existing roads, which just resricts traffic flow. (try St. Denys Road from Thomas Lewis Way towards Cobden Bridge!) Whoever the genius was who designed the bottle neck at the entrance to Mayflower Park where four lanes are reduced to two should be sent there to see the results of there decision. Why can,t the council talk to tne port operators about ways to use dock gate 20 at busy times for access to cruise terminals in tne Western Docks. What about boat trains? At the moment it is farcical and we will loose business passenger and commercial, unless access to the port is improved. malcher
  • Score: 2

3:29pm Tue 14 Jan 14

mickey01 says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Vote Tory for an honest decent council.
is there such a thing as an honest or decent council ????
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Vote Tory for an honest decent council.[/p][/quote]is there such a thing as an honest or decent council ???? mickey01
  • Score: 5

3:32pm Tue 14 Jan 14

befriendly says...

Avoid all the hassle by parking in Hythe and using the ferry like I do. Let ABP buy Marchwood docks so they can run a ferry service for boat passengers. There's already a cruise parking place there
Avoid all the hassle by parking in Hythe and using the ferry like I do. Let ABP buy Marchwood docks so they can run a ferry service for boat passengers. There's already a cruise parking place there befriendly
  • Score: 1

3:52pm Tue 14 Jan 14

southy says...

malcher wrote:
Bristol could not handle the larger cruise ships at the moment and both Bristol and Liverpool would suffer the same access problems that our docks does. The difference that they would surely do something about it!
Much as it is something we would like, we cannot pander too much to our clcist friends. The geography of our city does not allow it without serious investment. More is required than a few lines painted on existing roads, which just resricts traffic flow. (try St. Denys Road from Thomas Lewis Way towards Cobden Bridge!)
Whoever the genius was who designed the bottle neck at the entrance to Mayflower Park where four lanes are reduced to two should be sent there to see the results of there decision.
Why can,t the council talk to tne port operators about ways to use dock gate 20 at busy times for access to cruise terminals in tne Western Docks. What about boat trains?
At the moment it is farcical and we will loose business passenger and commercial, unless access to the port is improved.
Bristol was never really a passenger ship port it was and still is more into cargo, it would have no problem mooring these large passengers ships on Severn Beach quay its taken bigger ships, the Severn Beach quay is a bit longer than our Western docks, if they really wanted passenger ships it would be very easy to convert to, Liverpool was more into passengers on the west coast.
Bristol as direct link to the motorway all 3 ports do, all 3 also have rail links, they just don't have the buildings for passengers
[quote][p][bold]malcher[/bold] wrote: Bristol could not handle the larger cruise ships at the moment and both Bristol and Liverpool would suffer the same access problems that our docks does. The difference that they would surely do something about it! Much as it is something we would like, we cannot pander too much to our clcist friends. The geography of our city does not allow it without serious investment. More is required than a few lines painted on existing roads, which just resricts traffic flow. (try St. Denys Road from Thomas Lewis Way towards Cobden Bridge!) Whoever the genius was who designed the bottle neck at the entrance to Mayflower Park where four lanes are reduced to two should be sent there to see the results of there decision. Why can,t the council talk to tne port operators about ways to use dock gate 20 at busy times for access to cruise terminals in tne Western Docks. What about boat trains? At the moment it is farcical and we will loose business passenger and commercial, unless access to the port is improved.[/p][/quote]Bristol was never really a passenger ship port it was and still is more into cargo, it would have no problem mooring these large passengers ships on Severn Beach quay its taken bigger ships, the Severn Beach quay is a bit longer than our Western docks, if they really wanted passenger ships it would be very easy to convert to, Liverpool was more into passengers on the west coast. Bristol as direct link to the motorway all 3 ports do, all 3 also have rail links, they just don't have the buildings for passengers southy
  • Score: -2

4:01pm Tue 14 Jan 14

03alpe01 says...

When gridlock happened in Portsmouth a while back, the Council refunded everyone's parking as a way of saying "we're sorry". When the same thing happens in Southampton the Council don't care and I bet they are secretly talking about introducing a congestion charge.
When gridlock happened in Portsmouth a while back, the Council refunded everyone's parking as a way of saying "we're sorry". When the same thing happens in Southampton the Council don't care and I bet they are secretly talking about introducing a congestion charge. 03alpe01
  • Score: 4

4:03pm Tue 14 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

Move to Portsmouth
Move to Portsmouth bigfella777
  • Score: 2

4:07pm Tue 14 Jan 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

befriendly wrote:
Avoid all the hassle by parking in Hythe and using the ferry like I do. Let ABP buy Marchwood docks so they can run a ferry service for boat passengers. There's already a cruise parking place there
And how do you get to Hythe? You have to drive on the M271 that is as clogged up in the morning as the bottom end of town. This doesn't solve anything it just moves the problem along.

The best place for a park and ride service is somewhere near the airport or rownhams but I've been saying for nearly 10 years now Southampton should be forward thinking and plan a transportation system in the centre like a monorail service. There is plenty to link up and it would be a great way for passengers to get off the cruise ships and link up to other parts of the city centre. I've have raised this 100 times and in the latest blueprints for the city centre for the next 20 years. Nowhere in those future plans does it cater for all the increased amounts of traffic. The main reason for this is...the council doesn't want cars in the city. It should therefore, move the cruise industry and shops elsewhere because last time I checked cars were quite important for transportation!
[quote][p][bold]befriendly[/bold] wrote: Avoid all the hassle by parking in Hythe and using the ferry like I do. Let ABP buy Marchwood docks so they can run a ferry service for boat passengers. There's already a cruise parking place there[/p][/quote]And how do you get to Hythe? You have to drive on the M271 that is as clogged up in the morning as the bottom end of town. This doesn't solve anything it just moves the problem along. The best place for a park and ride service is somewhere near the airport or rownhams but I've been saying for nearly 10 years now Southampton should be forward thinking and plan a transportation system in the centre like a monorail service. There is plenty to link up and it would be a great way for passengers to get off the cruise ships and link up to other parts of the city centre. I've have raised this 100 times and in the latest blueprints for the city centre for the next 20 years. Nowhere in those future plans does it cater for all the increased amounts of traffic. The main reason for this is...the council doesn't want cars in the city. It should therefore, move the cruise industry and shops elsewhere because last time I checked cars were quite important for transportation! allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 0

4:41pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Positively4thStreet says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
befriendly wrote:
Avoid all the hassle by parking in Hythe and using the ferry like I do. Let ABP buy Marchwood docks so they can run a ferry service for boat passengers. There's already a cruise parking place there
And how do you get to Hythe? You have to drive on the M271 that is as clogged up in the morning as the bottom end of town. This doesn't solve anything it just moves the problem along.

The best place for a park and ride service is somewhere near the airport or rownhams but I've been saying for nearly 10 years now Southampton should be forward thinking and plan a transportation system in the centre like a monorail service. There is plenty to link up and it would be a great way for passengers to get off the cruise ships and link up to other parts of the city centre. I've have raised this 100 times and in the latest blueprints for the city centre for the next 20 years. Nowhere in those future plans does it cater for all the increased amounts of traffic. The main reason for this is...the council doesn't want cars in the city. It should therefore, move the cruise industry and shops elsewhere because last time I checked cars were quite important for transportation!
The Ford site would be ideal for park and ride then;plus its close to the railway,and big enough to cater for other developments as well.
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]befriendly[/bold] wrote: Avoid all the hassle by parking in Hythe and using the ferry like I do. Let ABP buy Marchwood docks so they can run a ferry service for boat passengers. There's already a cruise parking place there[/p][/quote]And how do you get to Hythe? You have to drive on the M271 that is as clogged up in the morning as the bottom end of town. This doesn't solve anything it just moves the problem along. The best place for a park and ride service is somewhere near the airport or rownhams but I've been saying for nearly 10 years now Southampton should be forward thinking and plan a transportation system in the centre like a monorail service. There is plenty to link up and it would be a great way for passengers to get off the cruise ships and link up to other parts of the city centre. I've have raised this 100 times and in the latest blueprints for the city centre for the next 20 years. Nowhere in those future plans does it cater for all the increased amounts of traffic. The main reason for this is...the council doesn't want cars in the city. It should therefore, move the cruise industry and shops elsewhere because last time I checked cars were quite important for transportation![/p][/quote]The Ford site would be ideal for park and ride then;plus its close to the railway,and big enough to cater for other developments as well. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 3

5:19pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Zexagon says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
befriendly wrote:
Avoid all the hassle by parking in Hythe and using the ferry like I do. Let ABP buy Marchwood docks so they can run a ferry service for boat passengers. There's already a cruise parking place there
And how do you get to Hythe? You have to drive on the M271 that is as clogged up in the morning as the bottom end of town. This doesn't solve anything it just moves the problem along.

The best place for a park and ride service is somewhere near the airport or rownhams but I've been saying for nearly 10 years now Southampton should be forward thinking and plan a transportation system in the centre like a monorail service. There is plenty to link up and it would be a great way for passengers to get off the cruise ships and link up to other parts of the city centre. I've have raised this 100 times and in the latest blueprints for the city centre for the next 20 years. Nowhere in those future plans does it cater for all the increased amounts of traffic. The main reason for this is...the council doesn't want cars in the city. It should therefore, move the cruise industry and shops elsewhere because last time I checked cars were quite important for transportation!
You'd probably come off the next junction and avoid the 271
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]befriendly[/bold] wrote: Avoid all the hassle by parking in Hythe and using the ferry like I do. Let ABP buy Marchwood docks so they can run a ferry service for boat passengers. There's already a cruise parking place there[/p][/quote]And how do you get to Hythe? You have to drive on the M271 that is as clogged up in the morning as the bottom end of town. This doesn't solve anything it just moves the problem along. The best place for a park and ride service is somewhere near the airport or rownhams but I've been saying for nearly 10 years now Southampton should be forward thinking and plan a transportation system in the centre like a monorail service. There is plenty to link up and it would be a great way for passengers to get off the cruise ships and link up to other parts of the city centre. I've have raised this 100 times and in the latest blueprints for the city centre for the next 20 years. Nowhere in those future plans does it cater for all the increased amounts of traffic. The main reason for this is...the council doesn't want cars in the city. It should therefore, move the cruise industry and shops elsewhere because last time I checked cars were quite important for transportation![/p][/quote]You'd probably come off the next junction and avoid the 271 Zexagon
  • Score: 0

5:29pm Tue 14 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
why not ask Jeremy Moulton what was said between ABP.cruise Companies & the then Tory council?
it seems crazy that a person who's been proven to lie to the press & the electorate in such an important role (Rayment).
maybe as with the Green grant they should talk to the Tories & see what proposals were put forward at Jeremy Moultons talks?
Then sack the idiot who allowed the cycle way works to go ahead whilst the road works were taking place at dock gate 4.
most traffic I saw wasn't heading into West Quay or Ikea but to the Itchen Bridge so the reason for these traffic jams lay squarely at the road works & the person who let them take place at the same time doesn't it?
any way local elections soon who ya gonna vote for? this waste of space council?
Who ya gonna vote for !!! ....... definately not the mob that allows a public health issue with bin bags rotting on the side of the roads for weeks .........
sorry you mean the political strike which at no time did Labour speak out against even though as you put it was causing a public health issue?
or a Labour Party that even when the council agreed to go to ACAS with the unions they the unions refused to negotiate as they had done from the start said nothing to condemn the unions for there no negotiation stance?
so come on be honest it was in Labours best interest to see the residents suffer at the hands of Labours pay masters & after Falkirk their actual masters wasn't it!
So yes I'll vote Conservative to get rid of the most shambolic council we've had since I was eighteen & I'm 57 tomorrow & when you consider the corrupt Labour councils Of the past that's saying something!
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: why not ask Jeremy Moulton what was said between ABP.cruise Companies & the then Tory council? it seems crazy that a person who's been proven to lie to the press & the electorate in such an important role (Rayment). maybe as with the Green grant they should talk to the Tories & see what proposals were put forward at Jeremy Moultons talks? Then sack the idiot who allowed the cycle way works to go ahead whilst the road works were taking place at dock gate 4. most traffic I saw wasn't heading into West Quay or Ikea but to the Itchen Bridge so the reason for these traffic jams lay squarely at the road works & the person who let them take place at the same time doesn't it? any way local elections soon who ya gonna vote for? this waste of space council?[/p][/quote]Who ya gonna vote for !!! ....... definately not the mob that allows a public health issue with bin bags rotting on the side of the roads for weeks .........[/p][/quote]sorry you mean the political strike which at no time did Labour speak out against even though as you put it was causing a public health issue? or a Labour Party that even when the council agreed to go to ACAS with the unions they the unions refused to negotiate as they had done from the start said nothing to condemn the unions for there no negotiation stance? so come on be honest it was in Labours best interest to see the residents suffer at the hands of Labours pay masters & after Falkirk their actual masters wasn't it! So yes I'll vote Conservative to get rid of the most shambolic council we've had since I was eighteen & I'm 57 tomorrow & when you consider the corrupt Labour councils Of the past that's saying something! loosehead
  • Score: 0

5:38pm Tue 14 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Costa Baz wrote:
I don't have any knowledge of the roads, outside or leading to Liverpool Docks, so does anyone actually know if they would cope any better, in a similar situation?
Just asking.
there's at least one motorway going straight into Liverpool city centre & it is joined by the strand which is a dual carriageway which runs alongside the Mersey & their docks.
we have a perfect road for new docks traffic which starts at dock gate 20 but it's the traffic going to Totton & the waterside that blocks this route as a direct route from the motorway here.
maybe tarmac Dibden run a ferry from there to the old docks for passengers of cruise ships that dock in the old docks could be an idea.
build a bridge ( road) over the rail lines at the bottom of Regents Park road & into the new docks for all dock ( new) traffic could be another solution?
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: I don't have any knowledge of the roads, outside or leading to Liverpool Docks, so does anyone actually know if they would cope any better, in a similar situation? Just asking.[/p][/quote]there's at least one motorway going straight into Liverpool city centre & it is joined by the strand which is a dual carriageway which runs alongside the Mersey & their docks. we have a perfect road for new docks traffic which starts at dock gate 20 but it's the traffic going to Totton & the waterside that blocks this route as a direct route from the motorway here. maybe tarmac Dibden run a ferry from there to the old docks for passengers of cruise ships that dock in the old docks could be an idea. build a bridge ( road) over the rail lines at the bottom of Regents Park road & into the new docks for all dock ( new) traffic could be another solution? loosehead
  • Score: 1

5:41pm Tue 14 Jan 14

loosehead says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
befriendly wrote:
Avoid all the hassle by parking in Hythe and using the ferry like I do. Let ABP buy Marchwood docks so they can run a ferry service for boat passengers. There's already a cruise parking place there
And how do you get to Hythe? You have to drive on the M271 that is as clogged up in the morning as the bottom end of town. This doesn't solve anything it just moves the problem along.

The best place for a park and ride service is somewhere near the airport or rownhams but I've been saying for nearly 10 years now Southampton should be forward thinking and plan a transportation system in the centre like a monorail service. There is plenty to link up and it would be a great way for passengers to get off the cruise ships and link up to other parts of the city centre. I've have raised this 100 times and in the latest blueprints for the city centre for the next 20 years. Nowhere in those future plans does it cater for all the increased amounts of traffic. The main reason for this is...the council doesn't want cars in the city. It should therefore, move the cruise industry and shops elsewhere because last time I checked cars were quite important for transportation!
I wrote letters to the Echo praising the one good idea Alan Whitehead had & that was the monorail I'd love to see if this Labour chaotic council could revise this ifea
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]befriendly[/bold] wrote: Avoid all the hassle by parking in Hythe and using the ferry like I do. Let ABP buy Marchwood docks so they can run a ferry service for boat passengers. There's already a cruise parking place there[/p][/quote]And how do you get to Hythe? You have to drive on the M271 that is as clogged up in the morning as the bottom end of town. This doesn't solve anything it just moves the problem along. The best place for a park and ride service is somewhere near the airport or rownhams but I've been saying for nearly 10 years now Southampton should be forward thinking and plan a transportation system in the centre like a monorail service. There is plenty to link up and it would be a great way for passengers to get off the cruise ships and link up to other parts of the city centre. I've have raised this 100 times and in the latest blueprints for the city centre for the next 20 years. Nowhere in those future plans does it cater for all the increased amounts of traffic. The main reason for this is...the council doesn't want cars in the city. It should therefore, move the cruise industry and shops elsewhere because last time I checked cars were quite important for transportation![/p][/quote]I wrote letters to the Echo praising the one good idea Alan Whitehead had & that was the monorail I'd love to see if this Labour chaotic council could revise this ifea loosehead
  • Score: 2

5:57pm Tue 14 Jan 14

phil maccavity says...

Zexagon wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote:
befriendly wrote:
Avoid all the hassle by parking in Hythe and using the ferry like I do. Let ABP buy Marchwood docks so they can run a ferry service for boat passengers. There's already a cruise parking place there
And how do you get to Hythe? You have to drive on the M271 that is as clogged up in the morning as the bottom end of town. This doesn't solve anything it just moves the problem along.

The best place for a park and ride service is somewhere near the airport or rownhams but I've been saying for nearly 10 years now Southampton should be forward thinking and plan a transportation system in the centre like a monorail service. There is plenty to link up and it would be a great way for passengers to get off the cruise ships and link up to other parts of the city centre. I've have raised this 100 times and in the latest blueprints for the city centre for the next 20 years. Nowhere in those future plans does it cater for all the increased amounts of traffic. The main reason for this is...the council doesn't want cars in the city. It should therefore, move the cruise industry and shops elsewhere because last time I checked cars were quite important for transportation!
You'd probably come off the next junction and avoid the 271
As I understand it there were blueprints for at least one Park & Ride facility serving Soton.
This was at a site just off the M271 (left hand side) coming into Soton.
However there was a suggestion that either the City Council could not access the Govt grant available to set up a Park & Ride scheme due to the large amount of parking in the City Centre (notice that On Street and expensive to build Multi Deck car parks are rarely full) or that the Council wanted to keep the site for other activity.
Unfortunately the availability of accessible car parking in the City Centre adds to congestion
[quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]befriendly[/bold] wrote: Avoid all the hassle by parking in Hythe and using the ferry like I do. Let ABP buy Marchwood docks so they can run a ferry service for boat passengers. There's already a cruise parking place there[/p][/quote]And how do you get to Hythe? You have to drive on the M271 that is as clogged up in the morning as the bottom end of town. This doesn't solve anything it just moves the problem along. The best place for a park and ride service is somewhere near the airport or rownhams but I've been saying for nearly 10 years now Southampton should be forward thinking and plan a transportation system in the centre like a monorail service. There is plenty to link up and it would be a great way for passengers to get off the cruise ships and link up to other parts of the city centre. I've have raised this 100 times and in the latest blueprints for the city centre for the next 20 years. Nowhere in those future plans does it cater for all the increased amounts of traffic. The main reason for this is...the council doesn't want cars in the city. It should therefore, move the cruise industry and shops elsewhere because last time I checked cars were quite important for transportation![/p][/quote]You'd probably come off the next junction and avoid the 271[/p][/quote]As I understand it there were blueprints for at least one Park & Ride facility serving Soton. This was at a site just off the M271 (left hand side) coming into Soton. However there was a suggestion that either the City Council could not access the Govt grant available to set up a Park & Ride scheme due to the large amount of parking in the City Centre (notice that On Street and expensive to build Multi Deck car parks are rarely full) or that the Council wanted to keep the site for other activity. Unfortunately the availability of accessible car parking in the City Centre adds to congestion phil maccavity
  • Score: 1

5:59pm Tue 14 Jan 14

in search of the truth says...

Costa Baz wrote:
I don't have any knowledge of the roads, outside or leading to Liverpool Docks, so does anyone actually know if they would cope any better, in a similar situation?
Just asking.
We cope when there are crowds in excess of 100,000 + visitors from the UK and abroad attending one of our spectacular events in our city,
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: I don't have any knowledge of the roads, outside or leading to Liverpool Docks, so does anyone actually know if they would cope any better, in a similar situation? Just asking.[/p][/quote]We cope when there are crowds in excess of 100,000 + visitors from the UK and abroad attending one of our spectacular events in our city, in search of the truth
  • Score: 0

6:00pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Brizzler says...

southy wrote:
malcher wrote:
Bristol could not handle the larger cruise ships at the moment and both Bristol and Liverpool would suffer the same access problems that our docks does. The difference that they would surely do something about it!
Much as it is something we would like, we cannot pander too much to our clcist friends. The geography of our city does not allow it without serious investment. More is required than a few lines painted on existing roads, which just resricts traffic flow. (try St. Denys Road from Thomas Lewis Way towards Cobden Bridge!)
Whoever the genius was who designed the bottle neck at the entrance to Mayflower Park where four lanes are reduced to two should be sent there to see the results of there decision.
Why can,t the council talk to tne port operators about ways to use dock gate 20 at busy times for access to cruise terminals in tne Western Docks. What about boat trains?
At the moment it is farcical and we will loose business passenger and commercial, unless access to the port is improved.
Bristol was never really a passenger ship port it was and still is more into cargo, it would have no problem mooring these large passengers ships on Severn Beach quay its taken bigger ships, the Severn Beach quay is a bit longer than our Western docks, if they really wanted passenger ships it would be very easy to convert to, Liverpool was more into passengers on the west coast.
Bristol as direct link to the motorway all 3 ports do, all 3 also have rail links, they just don't have the buildings for passengers
Bristol cruises depart from Avonmouth or Portbury. Both sites are within 5 minutes of the M5\M4 and along the main A4. I live in on the A4 and while we do get jams, they are away from the cruise liners. The only thing that would get in the way of getting to the cruise ships would be a *major* accident on the motorway. Even then you wouldn't be queing for 3 hours to get to the docks as its so close to the motorway.

Liverpool docks is along the A5036, I know a little less about this road but there are road works there at the moment (down to one lane) and they aren't experiencing three hour delays.

Bristol is only just getting into the cruise business, I think last year was the first year they tried it although I could be wrong. As more and more people opt to travel from here the bigger ships will come. This year there are already additional cruises scheduled to leave from Bristol.

As for the comment "could Bristol cope with 5 cruises at the moment" no they can't - but neither can Southampton at the moment either!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]malcher[/bold] wrote: Bristol could not handle the larger cruise ships at the moment and both Bristol and Liverpool would suffer the same access problems that our docks does. The difference that they would surely do something about it! Much as it is something we would like, we cannot pander too much to our clcist friends. The geography of our city does not allow it without serious investment. More is required than a few lines painted on existing roads, which just resricts traffic flow. (try St. Denys Road from Thomas Lewis Way towards Cobden Bridge!) Whoever the genius was who designed the bottle neck at the entrance to Mayflower Park where four lanes are reduced to two should be sent there to see the results of there decision. Why can,t the council talk to tne port operators about ways to use dock gate 20 at busy times for access to cruise terminals in tne Western Docks. What about boat trains? At the moment it is farcical and we will loose business passenger and commercial, unless access to the port is improved.[/p][/quote]Bristol was never really a passenger ship port it was and still is more into cargo, it would have no problem mooring these large passengers ships on Severn Beach quay its taken bigger ships, the Severn Beach quay is a bit longer than our Western docks, if they really wanted passenger ships it would be very easy to convert to, Liverpool was more into passengers on the west coast. Bristol as direct link to the motorway all 3 ports do, all 3 also have rail links, they just don't have the buildings for passengers[/p][/quote]Bristol cruises depart from Avonmouth or Portbury. Both sites are within 5 minutes of the M5\M4 and along the main A4. I live in on the A4 and while we do get jams, they are away from the cruise liners. The only thing that would get in the way of getting to the cruise ships would be a *major* accident on the motorway. Even then you wouldn't be queing for 3 hours to get to the docks as its so close to the motorway. Liverpool docks is along the A5036, I know a little less about this road but there are road works there at the moment (down to one lane) and they aren't experiencing three hour delays. Bristol is only just getting into the cruise business, I think last year was the first year they tried it although I could be wrong. As more and more people opt to travel from here the bigger ships will come. This year there are already additional cruises scheduled to leave from Bristol. As for the comment "could Bristol cope with 5 cruises at the moment" no they can't - but neither can Southampton at the moment either! Brizzler
  • Score: 1

6:04pm Tue 14 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Brizzler wrote:
southy wrote:
malcher wrote:
Bristol could not handle the larger cruise ships at the moment and both Bristol and Liverpool would suffer the same access problems that our docks does. The difference that they would surely do something about it!
Much as it is something we would like, we cannot pander too much to our clcist friends. The geography of our city does not allow it without serious investment. More is required than a few lines painted on existing roads, which just resricts traffic flow. (try St. Denys Road from Thomas Lewis Way towards Cobden Bridge!)
Whoever the genius was who designed the bottle neck at the entrance to Mayflower Park where four lanes are reduced to two should be sent there to see the results of there decision.
Why can,t the council talk to tne port operators about ways to use dock gate 20 at busy times for access to cruise terminals in tne Western Docks. What about boat trains?
At the moment it is farcical and we will loose business passenger and commercial, unless access to the port is improved.
Bristol was never really a passenger ship port it was and still is more into cargo, it would have no problem mooring these large passengers ships on Severn Beach quay its taken bigger ships, the Severn Beach quay is a bit longer than our Western docks, if they really wanted passenger ships it would be very easy to convert to, Liverpool was more into passengers on the west coast.
Bristol as direct link to the motorway all 3 ports do, all 3 also have rail links, they just don't have the buildings for passengers
Bristol cruises depart from Avonmouth or Portbury. Both sites are within 5 minutes of the M5\M4 and along the main A4. I live in on the A4 and while we do get jams, they are away from the cruise liners. The only thing that would get in the way of getting to the cruise ships would be a *major* accident on the motorway. Even then you wouldn't be queing for 3 hours to get to the docks as its so close to the motorway.

Liverpool docks is along the A5036, I know a little less about this road but there are road works there at the moment (down to one lane) and they aren't experiencing three hour delays.

Bristol is only just getting into the cruise business, I think last year was the first year they tried it although I could be wrong. As more and more people opt to travel from here the bigger ships will come. This year there are already additional cruises scheduled to leave from Bristol.

As for the comment "could Bristol cope with 5 cruises at the moment" no they can't - but neither can Southampton at the moment either!
our docks can & with out some idiot giving permission for two major road works at the same time our roads can
[quote][p][bold]Brizzler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]malcher[/bold] wrote: Bristol could not handle the larger cruise ships at the moment and both Bristol and Liverpool would suffer the same access problems that our docks does. The difference that they would surely do something about it! Much as it is something we would like, we cannot pander too much to our clcist friends. The geography of our city does not allow it without serious investment. More is required than a few lines painted on existing roads, which just resricts traffic flow. (try St. Denys Road from Thomas Lewis Way towards Cobden Bridge!) Whoever the genius was who designed the bottle neck at the entrance to Mayflower Park where four lanes are reduced to two should be sent there to see the results of there decision. Why can,t the council talk to tne port operators about ways to use dock gate 20 at busy times for access to cruise terminals in tne Western Docks. What about boat trains? At the moment it is farcical and we will loose business passenger and commercial, unless access to the port is improved.[/p][/quote]Bristol was never really a passenger ship port it was and still is more into cargo, it would have no problem mooring these large passengers ships on Severn Beach quay its taken bigger ships, the Severn Beach quay is a bit longer than our Western docks, if they really wanted passenger ships it would be very easy to convert to, Liverpool was more into passengers on the west coast. Bristol as direct link to the motorway all 3 ports do, all 3 also have rail links, they just don't have the buildings for passengers[/p][/quote]Bristol cruises depart from Avonmouth or Portbury. Both sites are within 5 minutes of the M5\M4 and along the main A4. I live in on the A4 and while we do get jams, they are away from the cruise liners. The only thing that would get in the way of getting to the cruise ships would be a *major* accident on the motorway. Even then you wouldn't be queing for 3 hours to get to the docks as its so close to the motorway. Liverpool docks is along the A5036, I know a little less about this road but there are road works there at the moment (down to one lane) and they aren't experiencing three hour delays. Bristol is only just getting into the cruise business, I think last year was the first year they tried it although I could be wrong. As more and more people opt to travel from here the bigger ships will come. This year there are already additional cruises scheduled to leave from Bristol. As for the comment "could Bristol cope with 5 cruises at the moment" no they can't - but neither can Southampton at the moment either![/p][/quote]our docks can & with out some idiot giving permission for two major road works at the same time our roads can loosehead
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6:05pm Tue 14 Jan 14

The Good Ship Hardy says...

03alpe01 wrote:
When gridlock happened in Portsmouth a while back, the Council refunded everyone's parking as a way of saying "we're sorry". When the same thing happens in Southampton the Council don't care and I bet they are secretly talking about introducing a congestion charge.
Not quite true, They did wave all parking fines issued by Traffic Wardens, The Council Leader blamed Colas for the shambles that hot Saturday. However it was of course the Council who had given Colas permission to shut 3 x m275 lanes on such a busy Saturday (Armed Forces Weekend, Ferries busy etc etc).. They are all clueless
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: When gridlock happened in Portsmouth a while back, the Council refunded everyone's parking as a way of saying "we're sorry". When the same thing happens in Southampton the Council don't care and I bet they are secretly talking about introducing a congestion charge.[/p][/quote]Not quite true, They did wave all parking fines issued by Traffic Wardens, The Council Leader blamed Colas for the shambles that hot Saturday. However it was of course the Council who had given Colas permission to shut 3 x m275 lanes on such a busy Saturday (Armed Forces Weekend, Ferries busy etc etc).. They are all clueless The Good Ship Hardy
  • Score: 0

6:15pm Tue 14 Jan 14

03alpe01 says...

The Good Ship Hardy wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
When gridlock happened in Portsmouth a while back, the Council refunded everyone's parking as a way of saying "we're sorry". When the same thing happens in Southampton the Council don't care and I bet they are secretly talking about introducing a congestion charge.
Not quite true, They did wave all parking fines issued by Traffic Wardens, The Council Leader blamed Colas for the shambles that hot Saturday. However it was of course the Council who had given Colas permission to shut 3 x m275 lanes on such a busy Saturday (Armed Forces Weekend, Ferries busy etc etc).. They are all clueless
Either way you wouldn't get that in Southampton. They'd insist you paid up whether you were at fault or not. And no matter what great ideas we may all have for the Ford site, we all know it will be nothing bar housing!
[quote][p][bold]The Good Ship Hardy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: When gridlock happened in Portsmouth a while back, the Council refunded everyone's parking as a way of saying "we're sorry". When the same thing happens in Southampton the Council don't care and I bet they are secretly talking about introducing a congestion charge.[/p][/quote]Not quite true, They did wave all parking fines issued by Traffic Wardens, The Council Leader blamed Colas for the shambles that hot Saturday. However it was of course the Council who had given Colas permission to shut 3 x m275 lanes on such a busy Saturday (Armed Forces Weekend, Ferries busy etc etc).. They are all clueless[/p][/quote]Either way you wouldn't get that in Southampton. They'd insist you paid up whether you were at fault or not. And no matter what great ideas we may all have for the Ford site, we all know it will be nothing bar housing! 03alpe01
  • Score: 1

7:24pm Tue 14 Jan 14

phil maccavity says...

Brizzler wrote:
southy wrote:
malcher wrote:
Bristol could not handle the larger cruise ships at the moment and both Bristol and Liverpool would suffer the same access problems that our docks does. The difference that they would surely do something about it!
Much as it is something we would like, we cannot pander too much to our clcist friends. The geography of our city does not allow it without serious investment. More is required than a few lines painted on existing roads, which just resricts traffic flow. (try St. Denys Road from Thomas Lewis Way towards Cobden Bridge!)
Whoever the genius was who designed the bottle neck at the entrance to Mayflower Park where four lanes are reduced to two should be sent there to see the results of there decision.
Why can,t the council talk to tne port operators about ways to use dock gate 20 at busy times for access to cruise terminals in tne Western Docks. What about boat trains?
At the moment it is farcical and we will loose business passenger and commercial, unless access to the port is improved.
Bristol was never really a passenger ship port it was and still is more into cargo, it would have no problem mooring these large passengers ships on Severn Beach quay its taken bigger ships, the Severn Beach quay is a bit longer than our Western docks, if they really wanted passenger ships it would be very easy to convert to, Liverpool was more into passengers on the west coast.
Bristol as direct link to the motorway all 3 ports do, all 3 also have rail links, they just don't have the buildings for passengers
Bristol cruises depart from Avonmouth or Portbury. Both sites are within 5 minutes of the M5\M4 and along the main A4. I live in on the A4 and while we do get jams, they are away from the cruise liners. The only thing that would get in the way of getting to the cruise ships would be a *major* accident on the motorway. Even then you wouldn't be queing for 3 hours to get to the docks as its so close to the motorway.

Liverpool docks is along the A5036, I know a little less about this road but there are road works there at the moment (down to one lane) and they aren't experiencing three hour delays.

Bristol is only just getting into the cruise business, I think last year was the first year they tried it although I could be wrong. As more and more people opt to travel from here the bigger ships will come. This year there are already additional cruises scheduled to leave from Bristol.

As for the comment "could Bristol cope with 5 cruises at the moment" no they can't - but neither can Southampton at the moment either!
Bristol Cruise Passenger Terminal is at S Berth in Avonmouth Docks, which is a converted cargo shed.
Fairly basic but ironically the port has won business from Cruise & Maritime Services ships which previously used Liverpool as their main west coast home port.
Bristol have also poached some Fred Olsen business that both Liverpool and Portsmouth were hoping to get.
No grant money was available to Bristol to start their fledgling cruise business so fair play to them.
[quote][p][bold]Brizzler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]malcher[/bold] wrote: Bristol could not handle the larger cruise ships at the moment and both Bristol and Liverpool would suffer the same access problems that our docks does. The difference that they would surely do something about it! Much as it is something we would like, we cannot pander too much to our clcist friends. The geography of our city does not allow it without serious investment. More is required than a few lines painted on existing roads, which just resricts traffic flow. (try St. Denys Road from Thomas Lewis Way towards Cobden Bridge!) Whoever the genius was who designed the bottle neck at the entrance to Mayflower Park where four lanes are reduced to two should be sent there to see the results of there decision. Why can,t the council talk to tne port operators about ways to use dock gate 20 at busy times for access to cruise terminals in tne Western Docks. What about boat trains? At the moment it is farcical and we will loose business passenger and commercial, unless access to the port is improved.[/p][/quote]Bristol was never really a passenger ship port it was and still is more into cargo, it would have no problem mooring these large passengers ships on Severn Beach quay its taken bigger ships, the Severn Beach quay is a bit longer than our Western docks, if they really wanted passenger ships it would be very easy to convert to, Liverpool was more into passengers on the west coast. Bristol as direct link to the motorway all 3 ports do, all 3 also have rail links, they just don't have the buildings for passengers[/p][/quote]Bristol cruises depart from Avonmouth or Portbury. Both sites are within 5 minutes of the M5\M4 and along the main A4. I live in on the A4 and while we do get jams, they are away from the cruise liners. The only thing that would get in the way of getting to the cruise ships would be a *major* accident on the motorway. Even then you wouldn't be queing for 3 hours to get to the docks as its so close to the motorway. Liverpool docks is along the A5036, I know a little less about this road but there are road works there at the moment (down to one lane) and they aren't experiencing three hour delays. Bristol is only just getting into the cruise business, I think last year was the first year they tried it although I could be wrong. As more and more people opt to travel from here the bigger ships will come. This year there are already additional cruises scheduled to leave from Bristol. As for the comment "could Bristol cope with 5 cruises at the moment" no they can't - but neither can Southampton at the moment either![/p][/quote]Bristol Cruise Passenger Terminal is at S Berth in Avonmouth Docks, which is a converted cargo shed. Fairly basic but ironically the port has won business from Cruise & Maritime Services ships which previously used Liverpool as their main west coast home port. Bristol have also poached some Fred Olsen business that both Liverpool and Portsmouth were hoping to get. No grant money was available to Bristol to start their fledgling cruise business so fair play to them. phil maccavity
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7:27pm Tue 14 Jan 14

bobbyboy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
loosehead wrote:
why not ask Jeremy Moulton what was said between ABP.cruise Companies & the then Tory council?
it seems crazy that a person who's been proven to lie to the press & the electorate in such an important role (Rayment).
maybe as with the Green grant they should talk to the Tories & see what proposals were put forward at Jeremy Moultons talks?
Then sack the idiot who allowed the cycle way works to go ahead whilst the road works were taking place at dock gate 4.
most traffic I saw wasn't heading into West Quay or Ikea but to the Itchen Bridge so the reason for these traffic jams lay squarely at the road works & the person who let them take place at the same time doesn't it?
any way local elections soon who ya gonna vote for? this waste of space council?
Who ya gonna vote for !!! ....... definately not the mob that allows a public health issue with bin bags rotting on the side of the roads for weeks .........
the tory administration didnt do that the Unions did and for what they still allowed there puppets to remove more jobs that was going to be Redirected in the first place so get it right before you splutter.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: why not ask Jeremy Moulton what was said between ABP.cruise Companies & the then Tory council? it seems crazy that a person who's been proven to lie to the press & the electorate in such an important role (Rayment). maybe as with the Green grant they should talk to the Tories & see what proposals were put forward at Jeremy Moultons talks? Then sack the idiot who allowed the cycle way works to go ahead whilst the road works were taking place at dock gate 4. most traffic I saw wasn't heading into West Quay or Ikea but to the Itchen Bridge so the reason for these traffic jams lay squarely at the road works & the person who let them take place at the same time doesn't it? any way local elections soon who ya gonna vote for? this waste of space council?[/p][/quote]Who ya gonna vote for !!! ....... definately not the mob that allows a public health issue with bin bags rotting on the side of the roads for weeks .........[/p][/quote]the tory administration didnt do that the Unions did and for what they still allowed there puppets to remove more jobs that was going to be Redirected in the first place so get it right before you splutter. bobbyboy
  • Score: 1

7:50pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Bowmore says...

Complete gridlock is only caused by stupid drivers, like those in the picture at the top, blocking junctions so that vehicles in a different direction can't move because the junction is blocked when the road beyond the junction is clear of traffic.
Complete gridlock is only caused by stupid drivers, like those in the picture at the top, blocking junctions so that vehicles in a different direction can't move because the junction is blocked when the road beyond the junction is clear of traffic. Bowmore
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