Southampton firm hopes people go green with electric bikes

Chris Pope, wife Karen and daughter Kathryn watch Mark Loveridge of A2B with one of their bikes

Chris Pope, wife Karen and daughter Kathryn watch Mark Loveridge of A2B with one of their bikes

First published in News

COULD this be this year’s must-have for the environmentally-conscious commuter?

Electric bikes are billed as a cleaner, greener method of travel that can also help people become fitter and healthier.

Previously seen as a niche product, they have been tipped by experts to be a hit in 2014.

Southampton firm e-2wheels is certainly hoping so.

Chris Pope, director of the Commercial Road business, held an open day giving customers an insight into the products on offer.

He hopes the trendy A2B electric bikes can save users thousands of pounds per year in fuel costs and cut journey times by avoiding rush hour traffic jams.

He said: “With electrical bikes, most people don’t get what they are. It’s just riding a bike with a bit of help.

“As soon as people ride the bikes, they come back smiling.

“Since I have had this shop, even from day one, I use one to get to work and back.

“Straight away I saved £40 per week on fuel and it takes me 15 minutes to get to work – it doesn’t matter how bad the traffic is.”

Mr Pope said a number of shoppers tried the bikes out for themselves.

But he added that councils needed to be more accommodating for cyclists by creating more cycle routes, which will result in more people jumping on to the saddle.

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1:06pm Wed 15 Jan 14

ToastyTea says...

I walk by that shop every day and never see anybody in there and wonder if they ever actually sell any bikes (as they are quite expensive around £1K). Sadly I can't see them staying in business very long but good luck to em.
I walk by that shop every day and never see anybody in there and wonder if they ever actually sell any bikes (as they are quite expensive around £1K). Sadly I can't see them staying in business very long but good luck to em. ToastyTea
  • Score: 1

3:12pm Wed 15 Jan 14

geoff51 says...

As they now have a motor these bikes should have insurance, number plates, road tax and the rider should have to pass a motorcycle test.
Before the usual suspects protest these bikes are no different to a below 50cc moped and should be treated as such or the regulations removed from mopeds and that wont happen.
Debate!
As they now have a motor these bikes should have insurance, number plates, road tax and the rider should have to pass a motorcycle test. Before the usual suspects protest these bikes are no different to a below 50cc moped and should be treated as such or the regulations removed from mopeds and that wont happen. Debate! geoff51
  • Score: -3

3:25pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

geoff51 wrote:
As they now have a motor these bikes should have insurance, number plates, road tax and the rider should have to pass a motorcycle test.
Before the usual suspects protest these bikes are no different to a below 50cc moped and should be treated as such or the regulations removed from mopeds and that wont happen.
Debate!
Actually, they are very different, they are electrical assist bikes, they still have pedals and are still legally classed as pedal cycles as they can NOT acheive more than 12 to 15mph when using the motor on it's own, it's even been written into the law that this is so, also, even if it had to have a tax disc displayed, the rider wouldn't be required to pay a single penny(like the owners of electric and hybrid vehicles such as the prius, zoe or twizzy or even the electric TNT delivery trucks don't have to pay) as it would be a band A vehicle which is exempt from VED which is an emissions tax, "road tax" no longer exists, hasn't done so since 1937.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: As they now have a motor these bikes should have insurance, number plates, road tax and the rider should have to pass a motorcycle test. Before the usual suspects protest these bikes are no different to a below 50cc moped and should be treated as such or the regulations removed from mopeds and that wont happen. Debate![/p][/quote]Actually, they are very different, they are electrical assist bikes, they still have pedals and are still legally classed as pedal cycles as they can NOT acheive more than 12 to 15mph when using the motor on it's own, it's even been written into the law that this is so, also, even if it had to have a tax disc displayed, the rider wouldn't be required to pay a single penny(like the owners of electric and hybrid vehicles such as the prius, zoe or twizzy or even the electric TNT delivery trucks don't have to pay) as it would be a band A vehicle which is exempt from VED which is an emissions tax, "road tax" no longer exists, hasn't done so since 1937. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 3

3:57pm Wed 15 Jan 14

geoff51 says...

Stop being picky about the nonclemanture of what you pay to be on the road, what is now a motor vehicle and is capable of speeds that could kill or damage a pedestrian must now be insured and have some means of identifying them for the purposes of public liability and for fines to be sent to when the law is broken.
25 mph from a fit cyclist plus 15 mph electrical assist equals 40 mph which is illegal in built up areas and must be regulated as other motor vehicles.
Stop being picky about the nonclemanture of what you pay to be on the road, what is now a motor vehicle and is capable of speeds that could kill or damage a pedestrian must now be insured and have some means of identifying them for the purposes of public liability and for fines to be sent to when the law is broken. 25 mph from a fit cyclist plus 15 mph electrical assist equals 40 mph which is illegal in built up areas and must be regulated as other motor vehicles. geoff51
  • Score: -5

4:41pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

geoff51 wrote:
Stop being picky about the nonclemanture of what you pay to be on the road, what is now a motor vehicle and is capable of speeds that could kill or damage a pedestrian must now be insured and have some means of identifying them for the purposes of public liability and for fines to be sent to when the law is broken.
25 mph from a fit cyclist plus 15 mph electrical assist equals 40 mph which is illegal in built up areas and must be regulated as other motor vehicles.
The motor has a magnetic braking effect preventing the bike from doing more than 15mph while the motor is in use, plus it's not a fit cyclist that would be using one of these and even if they did, the motor would not add anything to their speed, in fact it would reduce their speed as not only would they be lugging around excess weight but they'd also be fighting the motor that wants to slow down to prevent itself from burning out or destroying the batteries, now, if we were talking about a stealth electric mountain bike, then you would be correct as a stealth electric mountain bike is capable of up to 60mph on the motor alone but they are FAR beyond the price range of most average cyclists.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: Stop being picky about the nonclemanture of what you pay to be on the road, what is now a motor vehicle and is capable of speeds that could kill or damage a pedestrian must now be insured and have some means of identifying them for the purposes of public liability and for fines to be sent to when the law is broken. 25 mph from a fit cyclist plus 15 mph electrical assist equals 40 mph which is illegal in built up areas and must be regulated as other motor vehicles.[/p][/quote]The motor has a magnetic braking effect preventing the bike from doing more than 15mph while the motor is in use, plus it's not a fit cyclist that would be using one of these and even if they did, the motor would not add anything to their speed, in fact it would reduce their speed as not only would they be lugging around excess weight but they'd also be fighting the motor that wants to slow down to prevent itself from burning out or destroying the batteries, now, if we were talking about a stealth electric mountain bike, then you would be correct as a stealth electric mountain bike is capable of up to 60mph on the motor alone but they are FAR beyond the price range of most average cyclists. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 3

7:25pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Hampshire Corn and Bread says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
Stop being picky about the nonclemanture of what you pay to be on the road, what is now a motor vehicle and is capable of speeds that could kill or damage a pedestrian must now be insured and have some means of identifying them for the purposes of public liability and for fines to be sent to when the law is broken.
25 mph from a fit cyclist plus 15 mph electrical assist equals 40 mph which is illegal in built up areas and must be regulated as other motor vehicles.
The motor has a magnetic braking effect preventing the bike from doing more than 15mph while the motor is in use, plus it's not a fit cyclist that would be using one of these and even if they did, the motor would not add anything to their speed, in fact it would reduce their speed as not only would they be lugging around excess weight but they'd also be fighting the motor that wants to slow down to prevent itself from burning out or destroying the batteries, now, if we were talking about a stealth electric mountain bike, then you would be correct as a stealth electric mountain bike is capable of up to 60mph on the motor alone but they are FAR beyond the price range of most average cyclists.
Blimey, just looked up Stealth mountain bike...now I know what I want for next Christmas.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: Stop being picky about the nonclemanture of what you pay to be on the road, what is now a motor vehicle and is capable of speeds that could kill or damage a pedestrian must now be insured and have some means of identifying them for the purposes of public liability and for fines to be sent to when the law is broken. 25 mph from a fit cyclist plus 15 mph electrical assist equals 40 mph which is illegal in built up areas and must be regulated as other motor vehicles.[/p][/quote]The motor has a magnetic braking effect preventing the bike from doing more than 15mph while the motor is in use, plus it's not a fit cyclist that would be using one of these and even if they did, the motor would not add anything to their speed, in fact it would reduce their speed as not only would they be lugging around excess weight but they'd also be fighting the motor that wants to slow down to prevent itself from burning out or destroying the batteries, now, if we were talking about a stealth electric mountain bike, then you would be correct as a stealth electric mountain bike is capable of up to 60mph on the motor alone but they are FAR beyond the price range of most average cyclists.[/p][/quote]Blimey, just looked up Stealth mountain bike...now I know what I want for next Christmas. Hampshire Corn and Bread
  • Score: 3

7:45pm Wed 15 Jan 14

downfader says...

ToastyTea wrote:
I walk by that shop every day and never see anybody in there and wonder if they ever actually sell any bikes (as they are quite expensive around £1K). Sadly I can't see them staying in business very long but good luck to em.
IIRC he sells a few through mail order/internet, too. I often go in the musical instrument shops next door and have looked in the window of the bike shop a few times. I have seen people in there - mostly on Saturdays.
[quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: I walk by that shop every day and never see anybody in there and wonder if they ever actually sell any bikes (as they are quite expensive around £1K). Sadly I can't see them staying in business very long but good luck to em.[/p][/quote]IIRC he sells a few through mail order/internet, too. I often go in the musical instrument shops next door and have looked in the window of the bike shop a few times. I have seen people in there - mostly on Saturdays. downfader
  • Score: 0

7:49pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Hampshire Corn and Bread wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
Stop being picky about the nonclemanture of what you pay to be on the road, what is now a motor vehicle and is capable of speeds that could kill or damage a pedestrian must now be insured and have some means of identifying them for the purposes of public liability and for fines to be sent to when the law is broken.
25 mph from a fit cyclist plus 15 mph electrical assist equals 40 mph which is illegal in built up areas and must be regulated as other motor vehicles.
The motor has a magnetic braking effect preventing the bike from doing more than 15mph while the motor is in use, plus it's not a fit cyclist that would be using one of these and even if they did, the motor would not add anything to their speed, in fact it would reduce their speed as not only would they be lugging around excess weight but they'd also be fighting the motor that wants to slow down to prevent itself from burning out or destroying the batteries, now, if we were talking about a stealth electric mountain bike, then you would be correct as a stealth electric mountain bike is capable of up to 60mph on the motor alone but they are FAR beyond the price range of most average cyclists.
Blimey, just looked up Stealth mountain bike...now I know what I want for next Christmas.
lol Yeah, they're technically not road legal though you can get them restricted but they're mostly for downhill stuff, the motor is for getting back up the hill.
[quote][p][bold]Hampshire Corn and Bread[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: Stop being picky about the nonclemanture of what you pay to be on the road, what is now a motor vehicle and is capable of speeds that could kill or damage a pedestrian must now be insured and have some means of identifying them for the purposes of public liability and for fines to be sent to when the law is broken. 25 mph from a fit cyclist plus 15 mph electrical assist equals 40 mph which is illegal in built up areas and must be regulated as other motor vehicles.[/p][/quote]The motor has a magnetic braking effect preventing the bike from doing more than 15mph while the motor is in use, plus it's not a fit cyclist that would be using one of these and even if they did, the motor would not add anything to their speed, in fact it would reduce their speed as not only would they be lugging around excess weight but they'd also be fighting the motor that wants to slow down to prevent itself from burning out or destroying the batteries, now, if we were talking about a stealth electric mountain bike, then you would be correct as a stealth electric mountain bike is capable of up to 60mph on the motor alone but they are FAR beyond the price range of most average cyclists.[/p][/quote]Blimey, just looked up Stealth mountain bike...now I know what I want for next Christmas.[/p][/quote]lol Yeah, they're technically not road legal though you can get them restricted but they're mostly for downhill stuff, the motor is for getting back up the hill. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 2

7:50pm Wed 15 Jan 14

downfader says...

geoff51 wrote:
As they now have a motor these bikes should have insurance, number plates, road tax and the rider should have to pass a motorcycle test.
Before the usual suspects protest these bikes are no different to a below 50cc moped and should be treated as such or the regulations removed from mopeds and that wont happen.
Debate!
No they are very different.

Electric bikes are a hell of a lot lighter than even a 50cc.

They're cheaper to run, far cheaper (about 50p a week for my workmate, Brother's costs about £2 of electricity)

They only do 15mph assisted. A 50cc does 30 unassisted and thats part of the reason they have different regulations.

Electrics dont produce any noise or pollution from the vehicle. They can also be charged from solar panels, mini wind turbines etc (a couple of people on forums do this - free electricity and free travel!)
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: As they now have a motor these bikes should have insurance, number plates, road tax and the rider should have to pass a motorcycle test. Before the usual suspects protest these bikes are no different to a below 50cc moped and should be treated as such or the regulations removed from mopeds and that wont happen. Debate![/p][/quote]No they are very different. Electric bikes are a hell of a lot lighter than even a 50cc. They're cheaper to run, far cheaper (about 50p a week for my workmate, Brother's costs about £2 of electricity) They only do 15mph assisted. A 50cc does 30 unassisted and thats part of the reason they have different regulations. Electrics dont produce any noise or pollution from the vehicle. They can also be charged from solar panels, mini wind turbines etc (a couple of people on forums do this - free electricity and free travel!) downfader
  • Score: 1

8:47pm Wed 15 Jan 14

geoff51 says...

downfader wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
As they now have a motor these bikes should have insurance, number plates, road tax and the rider should have to pass a motorcycle test.
Before the usual suspects protest these bikes are no different to a below 50cc moped and should be treated as such or the regulations removed from mopeds and that wont happen.
Debate!
No they are very different.

Electric bikes are a hell of a lot lighter than even a 50cc.

They're cheaper to run, far cheaper (about 50p a week for my workmate, Brother's costs about £2 of electricity)

They only do 15mph assisted. A 50cc does 30 unassisted and thats part of the reason they have different regulations.

Electrics dont produce any noise or pollution from the vehicle. They can also be charged from solar panels, mini wind turbines etc (a couple of people on forums do this - free electricity and free travel!)
As a motorised vehicle they should have insurance and number plates whatever the speed they are capable of and a test of some sort to prove competence to ride.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: As they now have a motor these bikes should have insurance, number plates, road tax and the rider should have to pass a motorcycle test. Before the usual suspects protest these bikes are no different to a below 50cc moped and should be treated as such or the regulations removed from mopeds and that wont happen. Debate![/p][/quote]No they are very different. Electric bikes are a hell of a lot lighter than even a 50cc. They're cheaper to run, far cheaper (about 50p a week for my workmate, Brother's costs about £2 of electricity) They only do 15mph assisted. A 50cc does 30 unassisted and thats part of the reason they have different regulations. Electrics dont produce any noise or pollution from the vehicle. They can also be charged from solar panels, mini wind turbines etc (a couple of people on forums do this - free electricity and free travel!)[/p][/quote]As a motorised vehicle they should have insurance and number plates whatever the speed they are capable of and a test of some sort to prove competence to ride. geoff51
  • Score: -6

11:00pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

geoff51 wrote:
downfader wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
As they now have a motor these bikes should have insurance, number plates, road tax and the rider should have to pass a motorcycle test.
Before the usual suspects protest these bikes are no different to a below 50cc moped and should be treated as such or the regulations removed from mopeds and that wont happen.
Debate!
No they are very different.

Electric bikes are a hell of a lot lighter than even a 50cc.

They're cheaper to run, far cheaper (about 50p a week for my workmate, Brother's costs about £2 of electricity)

They only do 15mph assisted. A 50cc does 30 unassisted and thats part of the reason they have different regulations.

Electrics dont produce any noise or pollution from the vehicle. They can also be charged from solar panels, mini wind turbines etc (a couple of people on forums do this - free electricity and free travel!)
As a motorised vehicle they should have insurance and number plates whatever the speed they are capable of and a test of some sort to prove competence to ride.
Stop, just stop, you're making yourself look an even bigger moron and a prat than you already are, so just stop spouting nonsensicle tripe would you?
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: As they now have a motor these bikes should have insurance, number plates, road tax and the rider should have to pass a motorcycle test. Before the usual suspects protest these bikes are no different to a below 50cc moped and should be treated as such or the regulations removed from mopeds and that wont happen. Debate![/p][/quote]No they are very different. Electric bikes are a hell of a lot lighter than even a 50cc. They're cheaper to run, far cheaper (about 50p a week for my workmate, Brother's costs about £2 of electricity) They only do 15mph assisted. A 50cc does 30 unassisted and thats part of the reason they have different regulations. Electrics dont produce any noise or pollution from the vehicle. They can also be charged from solar panels, mini wind turbines etc (a couple of people on forums do this - free electricity and free travel!)[/p][/quote]As a motorised vehicle they should have insurance and number plates whatever the speed they are capable of and a test of some sort to prove competence to ride.[/p][/quote]Stop, just stop, you're making yourself look an even bigger moron and a prat than you already are, so just stop spouting nonsensicle tripe would you? Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 3

11:10pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Turtlebay says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
downfader wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
As they now have a motor these bikes should have insurance, number plates, road tax and the rider should have to pass a motorcycle test.
Before the usual suspects protest these bikes are no different to a below 50cc moped and should be treated as such or the regulations removed from mopeds and that wont happen.
Debate!
No they are very different.

Electric bikes are a hell of a lot lighter than even a 50cc.

They're cheaper to run, far cheaper (about 50p a week for my workmate, Brother's costs about £2 of electricity)

They only do 15mph assisted. A 50cc does 30 unassisted and thats part of the reason they have different regulations.

Electrics dont produce any noise or pollution from the vehicle. They can also be charged from solar panels, mini wind turbines etc (a couple of people on forums do this - free electricity and free travel!)
As a motorised vehicle they should have insurance and number plates whatever the speed they are capable of and a test of some sort to prove competence to ride.
Stop, just stop, you're making yourself look an even bigger moron and a prat than you already are, so just stop spouting nonsensicle tripe would you?
Ginger_cyclist says.....


Well we all know Ginger Cyclist don't we!
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: As they now have a motor these bikes should have insurance, number plates, road tax and the rider should have to pass a motorcycle test. Before the usual suspects protest these bikes are no different to a below 50cc moped and should be treated as such or the regulations removed from mopeds and that wont happen. Debate![/p][/quote]No they are very different. Electric bikes are a hell of a lot lighter than even a 50cc. They're cheaper to run, far cheaper (about 50p a week for my workmate, Brother's costs about £2 of electricity) They only do 15mph assisted. A 50cc does 30 unassisted and thats part of the reason they have different regulations. Electrics dont produce any noise or pollution from the vehicle. They can also be charged from solar panels, mini wind turbines etc (a couple of people on forums do this - free electricity and free travel!)[/p][/quote]As a motorised vehicle they should have insurance and number plates whatever the speed they are capable of and a test of some sort to prove competence to ride.[/p][/quote]Stop, just stop, you're making yourself look an even bigger moron and a prat than you already are, so just stop spouting nonsensicle tripe would you?[/p][/quote]Ginger_cyclist says..... Well we all know Ginger Cyclist don't we! Turtlebay
  • Score: -2

6:12am Thu 16 Jan 14

downfader says...

geoff51 wrote:
downfader wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
As they now have a motor these bikes should have insurance, number plates, road tax and the rider should have to pass a motorcycle test.
Before the usual suspects protest these bikes are no different to a below 50cc moped and should be treated as such or the regulations removed from mopeds and that wont happen.
Debate!
No they are very different.

Electric bikes are a hell of a lot lighter than even a 50cc.

They're cheaper to run, far cheaper (about 50p a week for my workmate, Brother's costs about £2 of electricity)

They only do 15mph assisted. A 50cc does 30 unassisted and thats part of the reason they have different regulations.

Electrics dont produce any noise or pollution from the vehicle. They can also be charged from solar panels, mini wind turbines etc (a couple of people on forums do this - free electricity and free travel!)
As a motorised vehicle they should have insurance and number plates whatever the speed they are capable of and a test of some sort to prove competence to ride.
Those things will only come in when something is proven to have been a risk towards others. There is, to my knowledge, no record of anyone on an electric bike ever having caused a crash or injury to another party.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: As they now have a motor these bikes should have insurance, number plates, road tax and the rider should have to pass a motorcycle test. Before the usual suspects protest these bikes are no different to a below 50cc moped and should be treated as such or the regulations removed from mopeds and that wont happen. Debate![/p][/quote]No they are very different. Electric bikes are a hell of a lot lighter than even a 50cc. They're cheaper to run, far cheaper (about 50p a week for my workmate, Brother's costs about £2 of electricity) They only do 15mph assisted. A 50cc does 30 unassisted and thats part of the reason they have different regulations. Electrics dont produce any noise or pollution from the vehicle. They can also be charged from solar panels, mini wind turbines etc (a couple of people on forums do this - free electricity and free travel!)[/p][/quote]As a motorised vehicle they should have insurance and number plates whatever the speed they are capable of and a test of some sort to prove competence to ride.[/p][/quote]Those things will only come in when something is proven to have been a risk towards others. There is, to my knowledge, no record of anyone on an electric bike ever having caused a crash or injury to another party. downfader
  • Score: 0

10:25am Thu 16 Jan 14

GrahamSimmons says...

geoff51 wrote:
downfader wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
As they now have a motor these bikes should have insurance, number plates, road tax and the rider should have to pass a motorcycle test.
Before the usual suspects protest these bikes are no different to a below 50cc moped and should be treated as such or the regulations removed from mopeds and that wont happen.
Debate!
No they are very different.

Electric bikes are a hell of a lot lighter than even a 50cc.

They're cheaper to run, far cheaper (about 50p a week for my workmate, Brother's costs about £2 of electricity)

They only do 15mph assisted. A 50cc does 30 unassisted and thats part of the reason they have different regulations.

Electrics dont produce any noise or pollution from the vehicle. They can also be charged from solar panels, mini wind turbines etc (a couple of people on forums do this - free electricity and free travel!)
As a motorised vehicle they should have insurance and number plates whatever the speed they are capable of and a test of some sort to prove competence to ride.
You're nuts. Electric bikes are slower than racing bikes.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: As they now have a motor these bikes should have insurance, number plates, road tax and the rider should have to pass a motorcycle test. Before the usual suspects protest these bikes are no different to a below 50cc moped and should be treated as such or the regulations removed from mopeds and that wont happen. Debate![/p][/quote]No they are very different. Electric bikes are a hell of a lot lighter than even a 50cc. They're cheaper to run, far cheaper (about 50p a week for my workmate, Brother's costs about £2 of electricity) They only do 15mph assisted. A 50cc does 30 unassisted and thats part of the reason they have different regulations. Electrics dont produce any noise or pollution from the vehicle. They can also be charged from solar panels, mini wind turbines etc (a couple of people on forums do this - free electricity and free travel!)[/p][/quote]As a motorised vehicle they should have insurance and number plates whatever the speed they are capable of and a test of some sort to prove competence to ride.[/p][/quote]You're nuts. Electric bikes are slower than racing bikes. GrahamSimmons
  • Score: 1

8:12pm Thu 16 Jan 14

geoff51 says...

GrahamSimmons wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
downfader wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
As they now have a motor these bikes should have insurance, number plates, road tax and the rider should have to pass a motorcycle test.
Before the usual suspects protest these bikes are no different to a below 50cc moped and should be treated as such or the regulations removed from mopeds and that wont happen.
Debate!
No they are very different.

Electric bikes are a hell of a lot lighter than even a 50cc.

They're cheaper to run, far cheaper (about 50p a week for my workmate, Brother's costs about £2 of electricity)

They only do 15mph assisted. A 50cc does 30 unassisted and thats part of the reason they have different regulations.

Electrics dont produce any noise or pollution from the vehicle. They can also be charged from solar panels, mini wind turbines etc (a couple of people on forums do this - free electricity and free travel!)
As a motorised vehicle they should have insurance and number plates whatever the speed they are capable of and a test of some sort to prove competence to ride.
You're nuts. Electric bikes are slower than racing bikes.
When did they let you out of the asylum? you haven't threatened anyone on here for ages!
[quote][p][bold]GrahamSimmons[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: As they now have a motor these bikes should have insurance, number plates, road tax and the rider should have to pass a motorcycle test. Before the usual suspects protest these bikes are no different to a below 50cc moped and should be treated as such or the regulations removed from mopeds and that wont happen. Debate![/p][/quote]No they are very different. Electric bikes are a hell of a lot lighter than even a 50cc. They're cheaper to run, far cheaper (about 50p a week for my workmate, Brother's costs about £2 of electricity) They only do 15mph assisted. A 50cc does 30 unassisted and thats part of the reason they have different regulations. Electrics dont produce any noise or pollution from the vehicle. They can also be charged from solar panels, mini wind turbines etc (a couple of people on forums do this - free electricity and free travel!)[/p][/quote]As a motorised vehicle they should have insurance and number plates whatever the speed they are capable of and a test of some sort to prove competence to ride.[/p][/quote]You're nuts. Electric bikes are slower than racing bikes.[/p][/quote]When did they let you out of the asylum? you haven't threatened anyone on here for ages! geoff51
  • Score: -1

8:15pm Thu 16 Jan 14

geoff51 says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
downfader wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
As they now have a motor these bikes should have insurance, number plates, road tax and the rider should have to pass a motorcycle test.
Before the usual suspects protest these bikes are no different to a below 50cc moped and should be treated as such or the regulations removed from mopeds and that wont happen.
Debate!
No they are very different.

Electric bikes are a hell of a lot lighter than even a 50cc.

They're cheaper to run, far cheaper (about 50p a week for my workmate, Brother's costs about £2 of electricity)

They only do 15mph assisted. A 50cc does 30 unassisted and thats part of the reason they have different regulations.

Electrics dont produce any noise or pollution from the vehicle. They can also be charged from solar panels, mini wind turbines etc (a couple of people on forums do this - free electricity and free travel!)
As a motorised vehicle they should have insurance and number plates whatever the speed they are capable of and a test of some sort to prove competence to ride.
Stop, just stop, you're making yourself look an even bigger moron and a prat than you already are, so just stop spouting nonsensicle tripe would you?
I am just putting the other side of the argument that these are motorised vehicles and as such should be treated differently to push bikes. If you cant put your side of the debate without resorting to insults then you have lost for your side.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: As they now have a motor these bikes should have insurance, number plates, road tax and the rider should have to pass a motorcycle test. Before the usual suspects protest these bikes are no different to a below 50cc moped and should be treated as such or the regulations removed from mopeds and that wont happen. Debate![/p][/quote]No they are very different. Electric bikes are a hell of a lot lighter than even a 50cc. They're cheaper to run, far cheaper (about 50p a week for my workmate, Brother's costs about £2 of electricity) They only do 15mph assisted. A 50cc does 30 unassisted and thats part of the reason they have different regulations. Electrics dont produce any noise or pollution from the vehicle. They can also be charged from solar panels, mini wind turbines etc (a couple of people on forums do this - free electricity and free travel!)[/p][/quote]As a motorised vehicle they should have insurance and number plates whatever the speed they are capable of and a test of some sort to prove competence to ride.[/p][/quote]Stop, just stop, you're making yourself look an even bigger moron and a prat than you already are, so just stop spouting nonsensicle tripe would you?[/p][/quote]I am just putting the other side of the argument that these are motorised vehicles and as such should be treated differently to push bikes. If you cant put your side of the debate without resorting to insults then you have lost for your side. geoff51
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8:19pm Thu 16 Jan 14

geoff51 says...

downfader wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
downfader wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
As they now have a motor these bikes should have insurance, number plates, road tax and the rider should have to pass a motorcycle test.
Before the usual suspects protest these bikes are no different to a below 50cc moped and should be treated as such or the regulations removed from mopeds and that wont happen.
Debate!
No they are very different.

Electric bikes are a hell of a lot lighter than even a 50cc.

They're cheaper to run, far cheaper (about 50p a week for my workmate, Brother's costs about £2 of electricity)

They only do 15mph assisted. A 50cc does 30 unassisted and thats part of the reason they have different regulations.

Electrics dont produce any noise or pollution from the vehicle. They can also be charged from solar panels, mini wind turbines etc (a couple of people on forums do this - free electricity and free travel!)
As a motorised vehicle they should have insurance and number plates whatever the speed they are capable of and a test of some sort to prove competence to ride.
Those things will only come in when something is proven to have been a risk towards others. There is, to my knowledge, no record of anyone on an electric bike ever having caused a crash or injury to another party.
Thankfully you are capable of a sensible debate unlike your mates, I could actually get to like you a bit, instead of taking the pee like I do with your chums
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: As they now have a motor these bikes should have insurance, number plates, road tax and the rider should have to pass a motorcycle test. Before the usual suspects protest these bikes are no different to a below 50cc moped and should be treated as such or the regulations removed from mopeds and that wont happen. Debate![/p][/quote]No they are very different. Electric bikes are a hell of a lot lighter than even a 50cc. They're cheaper to run, far cheaper (about 50p a week for my workmate, Brother's costs about £2 of electricity) They only do 15mph assisted. A 50cc does 30 unassisted and thats part of the reason they have different regulations. Electrics dont produce any noise or pollution from the vehicle. They can also be charged from solar panels, mini wind turbines etc (a couple of people on forums do this - free electricity and free travel!)[/p][/quote]As a motorised vehicle they should have insurance and number plates whatever the speed they are capable of and a test of some sort to prove competence to ride.[/p][/quote]Those things will only come in when something is proven to have been a risk towards others. There is, to my knowledge, no record of anyone on an electric bike ever having caused a crash or injury to another party.[/p][/quote]Thankfully you are capable of a sensible debate unlike your mates, I could actually get to like you a bit, instead of taking the pee like I do with your chums geoff51
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8:23pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

geoff51 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
downfader wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
As they now have a motor these bikes should have insurance, number plates, road tax and the rider should have to pass a motorcycle test.
Before the usual suspects protest these bikes are no different to a below 50cc moped and should be treated as such or the regulations removed from mopeds and that wont happen.
Debate!
No they are very different.

Electric bikes are a hell of a lot lighter than even a 50cc.

They're cheaper to run, far cheaper (about 50p a week for my workmate, Brother's costs about £2 of electricity)

They only do 15mph assisted. A 50cc does 30 unassisted and thats part of the reason they have different regulations.

Electrics dont produce any noise or pollution from the vehicle. They can also be charged from solar panels, mini wind turbines etc (a couple of people on forums do this - free electricity and free travel!)
As a motorised vehicle they should have insurance and number plates whatever the speed they are capable of and a test of some sort to prove competence to ride.
Stop, just stop, you're making yourself look an even bigger moron and a prat than you already are, so just stop spouting nonsensicle tripe would you?
I am just putting the other side of the argument that these are motorised vehicles and as such should be treated differently to push bikes. If you cant put your side of the debate without resorting to insults then you have lost for your side.
But they're not classed as motorised vehicles as you have to be pedaling while holding a button or similar switch like device for the motor to work and because they can't exceed 15mph an weigh less than 40KG without the rider.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: As they now have a motor these bikes should have insurance, number plates, road tax and the rider should have to pass a motorcycle test. Before the usual suspects protest these bikes are no different to a below 50cc moped and should be treated as such or the regulations removed from mopeds and that wont happen. Debate![/p][/quote]No they are very different. Electric bikes are a hell of a lot lighter than even a 50cc. They're cheaper to run, far cheaper (about 50p a week for my workmate, Brother's costs about £2 of electricity) They only do 15mph assisted. A 50cc does 30 unassisted and thats part of the reason they have different regulations. Electrics dont produce any noise or pollution from the vehicle. They can also be charged from solar panels, mini wind turbines etc (a couple of people on forums do this - free electricity and free travel!)[/p][/quote]As a motorised vehicle they should have insurance and number plates whatever the speed they are capable of and a test of some sort to prove competence to ride.[/p][/quote]Stop, just stop, you're making yourself look an even bigger moron and a prat than you already are, so just stop spouting nonsensicle tripe would you?[/p][/quote]I am just putting the other side of the argument that these are motorised vehicles and as such should be treated differently to push bikes. If you cant put your side of the debate without resorting to insults then you have lost for your side.[/p][/quote]But they're not classed as motorised vehicles as you have to be pedaling while holding a button or similar switch like device for the motor to work and because they can't exceed 15mph an weigh less than 40KG without the rider. Ginger_cyclist
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