Campaigners call for cheaper public transport

Campaigners call for cheaper public transport

Campaigners call for cheaper public transport

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MAKE public transport cheaper and more accessible – that was the general consensus of a meeting of green campaigners.

Approximately 40 Winchester residents attended the meeting, organised by Winchester Action on Climate Change (WinACC) and Winchester Friends of the Earth, to discuss solutions for reducing congestion in the city centre, and making Winchester a greener city.

WinACC’s Phil Gagg said: “There needs to be a modal shift where possible.

Make it easier for people to use public transport, get around efficiently, and try to drum up appetite for change.

“There needs to be fewer people using private transport, and more using public transport.”

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12:53pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

I usually walk from Swaythling to the city centre, especially as I refuse to pay parking charges for my car and it's sometimes quicker than using my bus pass. However the other day due to an excessive amount of wet in the air I got the bus into town,. as I sat down I saw a ticket on the seat for my journey in reverse, the cost of using the bus for a distsnce I usually walk was nearly £2. No wonder the buses are nearly empty most of the time.
I usually walk from Swaythling to the city centre, especially as I refuse to pay parking charges for my car and it's sometimes quicker than using my bus pass. However the other day due to an excessive amount of wet in the air I got the bus into town,. as I sat down I saw a ticket on the seat for my journey in reverse, the cost of using the bus for a distsnce I usually walk was nearly £2. No wonder the buses are nearly empty most of the time. Inform Al
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3:05pm Sun 19 Jan 14

sotonbusdriver says...

Inform Al wrote:
I usually walk from Swaythling to the city centre, especially as I refuse to pay parking charges for my car and it's sometimes quicker than using my bus pass. However the other day due to an excessive amount of wet in the air I got the bus into town,. as I sat down I saw a ticket on the seat for my journey in reverse, the cost of using the bus for a distsnce I usually walk was nearly £2. No wonder the buses are nearly empty most of the time.
The problem with reducing costs of bus travel, isn't an easy question.
The costs of financing a bus itself runs into £200,000 each vehicle. There are 6 tyres on every bus, at the cost of £1000 approx each. then bear in mind they only do about 6-10 miles to a gallon of diesel, which is £6.50 ish a gallon. The drivers ask for a reasonable rate of pay, but local most Companies have realistically reduce the wages in retrospect, as rises have been below inflation for some 8 years or more.
Bus have to have a full service every 4-5 weeks, and a safety inspection twice a year, along with MOT yearly.. The last time I looked at a road fund disc on a bus it was almost £1000 for a year.
Because drivers are fed up with the public abuse they get. One company who employs some 300 drivers, has a turn over of 4-6 drivers a fortnight because they leave from regular abusive passengers. SO their training school runs 50 weeks of the year, taking 2-3 weeks to train and get a licence for each driver, then a further 4 weeks of on the job training to get the new drivers familiar with routes and tickets.
That is without taking vandalism into account. Which probably costs about £25,000 a month.
All in all it is not cheap transport.....
If you compare the costs in Southampton, with the IOW, where there is not Council subside, the trip from Swaythlng to Town which you have said costs £2. Would be about £5 on the Island for the same distance
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: I usually walk from Swaythling to the city centre, especially as I refuse to pay parking charges for my car and it's sometimes quicker than using my bus pass. However the other day due to an excessive amount of wet in the air I got the bus into town,. as I sat down I saw a ticket on the seat for my journey in reverse, the cost of using the bus for a distsnce I usually walk was nearly £2. No wonder the buses are nearly empty most of the time.[/p][/quote]The problem with reducing costs of bus travel, isn't an easy question. The costs of financing a bus itself runs into £200,000 each vehicle. There are 6 tyres on every bus, at the cost of £1000 approx each. then bear in mind they only do about 6-10 miles to a gallon of diesel, which is £6.50 ish a gallon. The drivers ask for a reasonable rate of pay, but local most Companies have realistically reduce the wages in retrospect, as rises have been below inflation for some 8 years or more. Bus have to have a full service every 4-5 weeks, and a safety inspection twice a year, along with MOT yearly.. The last time I looked at a road fund disc on a bus it was almost £1000 for a year. Because drivers are fed up with the public abuse they get. One company who employs some 300 drivers, has a turn over of 4-6 drivers a fortnight because they leave from regular abusive passengers. SO their training school runs 50 weeks of the year, taking 2-3 weeks to train and get a licence for each driver, then a further 4 weeks of on the job training to get the new drivers familiar with routes and tickets. That is without taking vandalism into account. Which probably costs about £25,000 a month. All in all it is not cheap transport..... If you compare the costs in Southampton, with the IOW, where there is not Council subside, the trip from Swaythlng to Town which you have said costs £2. Would be about £5 on the Island for the same distance sotonbusdriver
  • Score: 3

3:14pm Sun 19 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

sotonbusdriver wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
I usually walk from Swaythling to the city centre, especially as I refuse to pay parking charges for my car and it's sometimes quicker than using my bus pass. However the other day due to an excessive amount of wet in the air I got the bus into town,. as I sat down I saw a ticket on the seat for my journey in reverse, the cost of using the bus for a distsnce I usually walk was nearly £2. No wonder the buses are nearly empty most of the time.
The problem with reducing costs of bus travel, isn't an easy question.
The costs of financing a bus itself runs into £200,000 each vehicle. There are 6 tyres on every bus, at the cost of £1000 approx each. then bear in mind they only do about 6-10 miles to a gallon of diesel, which is £6.50 ish a gallon. The drivers ask for a reasonable rate of pay, but local most Companies have realistically reduce the wages in retrospect, as rises have been below inflation for some 8 years or more.
Bus have to have a full service every 4-5 weeks, and a safety inspection twice a year, along with MOT yearly.. The last time I looked at a road fund disc on a bus it was almost £1000 for a year.
Because drivers are fed up with the public abuse they get. One company who employs some 300 drivers, has a turn over of 4-6 drivers a fortnight because they leave from regular abusive passengers. SO their training school runs 50 weeks of the year, taking 2-3 weeks to train and get a licence for each driver, then a further 4 weeks of on the job training to get the new drivers familiar with routes and tickets.
That is without taking vandalism into account. Which probably costs about £25,000 a month.
All in all it is not cheap transport.....
If you compare the costs in Southampton, with the IOW, where there is not Council subside, the trip from Swaythlng to Town which you have said costs £2. Would be about £5 on the Island for the same distance
One of my sons drives those 'orrible big things for Arriva in the Medway Towns so I know that what you have said above is true, especially since the fares there are even higher than they are here. However, if some parts of town such as Meggason Avenue did not get a bus every 7 minutes First may be able to give a proper service to places such as Swaythling, and not run so many empty buses. Nearly every No. 7 I see seems to be nearly empty. However, the best thing would be for the buses to be back in local authority control, provided the accounting was ring fenced from General Fund and the Housing Revenue Account.
[quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: I usually walk from Swaythling to the city centre, especially as I refuse to pay parking charges for my car and it's sometimes quicker than using my bus pass. However the other day due to an excessive amount of wet in the air I got the bus into town,. as I sat down I saw a ticket on the seat for my journey in reverse, the cost of using the bus for a distsnce I usually walk was nearly £2. No wonder the buses are nearly empty most of the time.[/p][/quote]The problem with reducing costs of bus travel, isn't an easy question. The costs of financing a bus itself runs into £200,000 each vehicle. There are 6 tyres on every bus, at the cost of £1000 approx each. then bear in mind they only do about 6-10 miles to a gallon of diesel, which is £6.50 ish a gallon. The drivers ask for a reasonable rate of pay, but local most Companies have realistically reduce the wages in retrospect, as rises have been below inflation for some 8 years or more. Bus have to have a full service every 4-5 weeks, and a safety inspection twice a year, along with MOT yearly.. The last time I looked at a road fund disc on a bus it was almost £1000 for a year. Because drivers are fed up with the public abuse they get. One company who employs some 300 drivers, has a turn over of 4-6 drivers a fortnight because they leave from regular abusive passengers. SO their training school runs 50 weeks of the year, taking 2-3 weeks to train and get a licence for each driver, then a further 4 weeks of on the job training to get the new drivers familiar with routes and tickets. That is without taking vandalism into account. Which probably costs about £25,000 a month. All in all it is not cheap transport..... If you compare the costs in Southampton, with the IOW, where there is not Council subside, the trip from Swaythlng to Town which you have said costs £2. Would be about £5 on the Island for the same distance[/p][/quote]One of my sons drives those 'orrible big things for Arriva in the Medway Towns so I know that what you have said above is true, especially since the fares there are even higher than they are here. However, if some parts of town such as Meggason Avenue did not get a bus every 7 minutes First may be able to give a proper service to places such as Swaythling, and not run so many empty buses. Nearly every No. 7 I see seems to be nearly empty. However, the best thing would be for the buses to be back in local authority control, provided the accounting was ring fenced from General Fund and the Housing Revenue Account. Inform Al
  • Score: 4

5:56pm Sun 19 Jan 14

jackois says...

Whilst agreeing in general with respect to the previous comments,

"However, the best thing would be for the buses to be back in local authority control, provided the accounting was ring fenced from General Fund and the Housing Revenue Account."

We no longer have the quality of local authority to manage any of the services that were routine back in the sixties and seventies... Even more so, as our council have got to the point where they have no more minions to fire so that they can increase their own wages... if things go on the way they are, the council will eventually disappear up it's own orifice.
Whilst agreeing in general with respect to the previous comments, "However, the best thing would be for the buses to be back in local authority control, provided the accounting was ring fenced from General Fund and the Housing Revenue Account." We no longer have the quality of local authority to manage any of the services that were routine back in the sixties and seventies... Even more so, as our council have got to the point where they have no more minions to fire so that they can increase their own wages... if things go on the way they are, the council will eventually disappear up it's own orifice. jackois
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