Probe launched into how police handled death crash that left hundreds of motorist stranded for SEVEN hours

Daily Echo: Probe launched into how police handled death crash that left hundreds of motorist stranded for SEVEN hours Probe launched into how police handled death crash that left hundreds of motorist stranded for SEVEN hours

An investigation has been launched into the way police handled a fatal accident that left hundreds of drivers stranded in their cars on a busy Hampshire road for seven hours last night.

Hampshire Police have referred themselves to the Independent Police Complaints Commission after traffic on the A31 was allowed to proceed - despite reports a horse loose on the road.

The westbound carriageway was subsequently closed near Picket Post after two motorcyclists were in collision with the animal.

A 31-year-old Bournemouth man was killed in the accident and the other rider, a 47-year-old Broadstone man was taken Southampton General Hospital with serious but not life threatening.

The horse died at the scene.

Daily Echo:

A police spokesman said: “Both riders had been held in a queue of traffic while police initially responded to reports of a horse loose on the carriageway.

“Officers were advising motorists to proceed with caution regarding the possibility of animals in the carriageway.

“This element of the incident has been referred by Hampshire Constabulary to the Independent Police Complaints Commission and we await its decision on how this will be investigated.”

Police Superintendent Chris Brown added: "This was a very tragic incident, and our thoughts today are with the family of the motorcyclist who died and with the motorcyclist who remains in hospital.

"We understand how difficult and frustrating it can be to be stuck in traffic whilst incidents such as this are dealt with, and we would like to thank motorists for their patience while we responded to the incident which involved a comprehensive investigation and an extremely complex scene.

"The decision to close a road, particularly a main road such as the A31, is never taken lightly, and I appreciate the disruption this caused.

Daily Echo:

“We sent all available officers to the scene swiftly and they worked hard to get the scene moving as soon as possible, including turning vehicles round and providing police-led relief diversions.

“We also took the very unusual step of re-opening a lane of the carriageway many hours before the road fully re-opened, whilst keeping the other lanes closed in order to conduct a full road death investigation.

“This decision was made purely to get traffic flowing, ease congestion and help frustrated motorists progress on their journey.

“This was a very complicated scene. We were dealing with what looked at the time to be a potential double fatal and the death of a horse on a main road, all of which has to be recovered with great care and diligence, and the scene forensically examined.

Daily Echo:

“The reality is that it is unavoidably time consuming, and the logistics and geography of this part of the A31 meant that the consequent impact to that road and the motorists that use it are huge.

“Our officers at the scene were 100 per cent focussed on clearing the scene as swiftly as possible.

“Road death investigations are by their nature very thorough and detailed, to prepare a file for any potential criminal proceedings, a file for the coroner, and vitally, we owe that as a duty of care to the family of the victim.

Daily Echo:

“Road traffic alerts were quickly issued on local radio detailing the road closure, and social media was updated, but at that time on a week night, a large volume of traffic is always going to be caught up in the area and unable to avoid the tailbacks.

“We will look to see whether there are any other methods we can use to enhance our system of communicating with drivers caught up in such tailbacks outside of conventional media.

“Our investigation continues, and we would ask anyone with information about this collision and who has not yet spoken to us, to please contact us now.”

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4:49pm Thu 23 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Yesterday, they were complaining about being delayed for ten minutes at a level crossing, this caps that big time. Who is actually responsible for traffic management these days? Not very good are they?
Yesterday, they were complaining about being delayed for ten minutes at a level crossing, this caps that big time. Who is actually responsible for traffic management these days? Not very good are they? OSPREYSAINT

5:03pm Thu 23 Jan 14

SotonGreen says...

Someone has died, you spanner, have a bit of bloody respect, it was your loved one you would want it done proper.
Someone has died, you spanner, have a bit of bloody respect, it was your loved one you would want it done proper. SotonGreen

5:13pm Thu 23 Jan 14

thesouth says...

SotonGreen wrote:
Someone has died, you spanner, have a bit of bloody respect, it was your loved one you would want it done proper.
I agreed but don't waste your breath, a lot of people these days are too selfish to care that someone has died.
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: Someone has died, you spanner, have a bit of bloody respect, it was your loved one you would want it done proper.[/p][/quote]I agreed but don't waste your breath, a lot of people these days are too selfish to care that someone has died. thesouth

5:16pm Thu 23 Jan 14

stukeith1 says...

I left work at 1045 last night and it was still shut! luckly I leave at junction 2. Gotta feel sorry for the fellow biker though! Last week a donkey was killed on the bypass just before J2 with 3 cars involved. Shame.
I left work at 1045 last night and it was still shut! luckly I leave at junction 2. Gotta feel sorry for the fellow biker though! Last week a donkey was killed on the bypass just before J2 with 3 cars involved. Shame. stukeith1

5:29pm Thu 23 Jan 14

red/whitearmy says...

R.I.P. Dan , The motorcyclist who died. Bubbly man . He was always saying that this whole stretch was a grand prix stretch. He worked in Eastleigh and lived in a flat over looking bournemouth beach. I have driven this stretch many times and motorists just love speeding along here at least 90. Plus you get the tail gaters who want to push you faster or force you to move over. I top speed this at 70 , some times 80 if over taking. Thats all it needs along here.
R.I.P. Dan , The motorcyclist who died. Bubbly man . He was always saying that this whole stretch was a grand prix stretch. He worked in Eastleigh and lived in a flat over looking bournemouth beach. I have driven this stretch many times and motorists just love speeding along here at least 90. Plus you get the tail gaters who want to push you faster or force you to move over. I top speed this at 70 , some times 80 if over taking. Thats all it needs along here. red/whitearmy

5:40pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Huey says...

Get rid off all horses near roads. Including those in the forest. Not fair on them or us. What is the need for horses these days anyway? What century are we living in? They are totally to blame for this.
Get rid off all horses near roads. Including those in the forest. Not fair on them or us. What is the need for horses these days anyway? What century are we living in? They are totally to blame for this. Huey

5:50pm Thu 23 Jan 14

issacchunt says...

red/whitearmy wrote:
R.I.P. Dan , The motorcyclist who died. Bubbly man . He was always saying that this whole stretch was a grand prix stretch. He worked in Eastleigh and lived in a flat over looking bournemouth beach. I have driven this stretch many times and motorists just love speeding along here at least 90. Plus you get the tail gaters who want to push you faster or force you to move over. I top speed this at 70 , some times 80 if over taking. Thats all it needs along here.
None of that is relevent, there was a horse in the road!
[quote][p][bold]red/whitearmy[/bold] wrote: R.I.P. Dan , The motorcyclist who died. Bubbly man . He was always saying that this whole stretch was a grand prix stretch. He worked in Eastleigh and lived in a flat over looking bournemouth beach. I have driven this stretch many times and motorists just love speeding along here at least 90. Plus you get the tail gaters who want to push you faster or force you to move over. I top speed this at 70 , some times 80 if over taking. Thats all it needs along here.[/p][/quote]None of that is relevent, there was a horse in the road! issacchunt

6:03pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Eric Pickles says...

Huey wrote:
Get rid off all horses near roads. Including those in the forest. Not fair on them or us. What is the need for horses these days anyway? What century are we living in? They are totally to blame for this.
Tedious little troll
[quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Get rid off all horses near roads. Including those in the forest. Not fair on them or us. What is the need for horses these days anyway? What century are we living in? They are totally to blame for this.[/p][/quote]Tedious little troll Eric Pickles

6:03pm Thu 23 Jan 14

eurogordi says...

If Hampshire Police has referred this to the IPCC, it must mean that Hampshire Police are admitted some liability to this incident. It seems to me that the problem started when Police began looking for the horse at the spot where it had been seen. Horses move and torches would have been pretty useless in locating a moving animal. Had the Police helicopter been scrambled with infra red cameras, the horse could have been quickly located and caught. There would not have been a seven hour delay on the A31 and, perhaps more importantly, there would not have been a fatality. So why didn't the Police do this and does the lack of such action suggest that the Police are fully responsible for everything that happened yesterday evening?
If Hampshire Police has referred this to the IPCC, it must mean that Hampshire Police are admitted some liability to this incident. It seems to me that the problem started when Police began looking for the horse at the spot where it had been seen. Horses move and torches would have been pretty useless in locating a moving animal. Had the Police helicopter been scrambled with infra red cameras, the horse could have been quickly located and caught. There would not have been a seven hour delay on the A31 and, perhaps more importantly, there would not have been a fatality. So why didn't the Police do this and does the lack of such action suggest that the Police are fully responsible for everything that happened yesterday evening? eurogordi

6:04pm Thu 23 Jan 14

gilbertratchet says...

Can we stop berating everyone for having the audacity to say something other than "RIP"? People are allowed to discuss the story which by the way is about the traffic problems and how they were handled, not the tragic death itself.
Can we stop berating everyone for having the audacity to say something other than "RIP"? People are allowed to discuss the story which by the way is about the traffic problems and how they were handled, not the tragic death itself. gilbertratchet

6:26pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Mary80 says...

red/whitearmy wrote:
R.I.P. Dan , The motorcyclist who died. Bubbly man . He was always saying that this whole stretch was a grand prix stretch. He worked in Eastleigh and lived in a flat over looking bournemouth beach. I have driven this stretch many times and motorists just love speeding along here at least 90. Plus you get the tail gaters who want to push you faster or force you to move over. I top speed this at 70 , some times 80 if over taking. Thats all it needs along here.
Sadly some idiots have downvoted your post. No shock really they downvote posts that dont' deserve it. Shame on EVERYONE who downvoted this post, does it make you feel big knowing you downvoted someone who may have KNOWN the victim? Classless as ever for the DE comment section
[quote][p][bold]red/whitearmy[/bold] wrote: R.I.P. Dan , The motorcyclist who died. Bubbly man . He was always saying that this whole stretch was a grand prix stretch. He worked in Eastleigh and lived in a flat over looking bournemouth beach. I have driven this stretch many times and motorists just love speeding along here at least 90. Plus you get the tail gaters who want to push you faster or force you to move over. I top speed this at 70 , some times 80 if over taking. Thats all it needs along here.[/p][/quote]Sadly some idiots have downvoted your post. No shock really they downvote posts that dont' deserve it. Shame on EVERYONE who downvoted this post, does it make you feel big knowing you downvoted someone who may have KNOWN the victim? Classless as ever for the DE comment section Mary80

7:40pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Mary80 says...

can DE remove the post vote thing its being abused by people
can DE remove the post vote thing its being abused by people Mary80

7:50pm Thu 23 Jan 14

gilbertratchet says...

Mary80 wrote:
can DE remove the post vote thing its being abused by people
Have to ask: why do you care? They're meaningless.
[quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: can DE remove the post vote thing its being abused by people[/p][/quote]Have to ask: why do you care? They're meaningless. gilbertratchet

7:50pm Thu 23 Jan 14

News Fanatic says...

eurogordi wrote:
If Hampshire Police has referred this to the IPCC, it must mean that Hampshire Police are admitted some liability to this incident. It seems to me that the problem started when Police began looking for the horse at the spot where it had been seen. Horses move and torches would have been pretty useless in locating a moving animal. Had the Police helicopter been scrambled with infra red cameras, the horse could have been quickly located and caught. There would not have been a seven hour delay on the A31 and, perhaps more importantly, there would not have been a fatality. So why didn't the Police do this and does the lack of such action suggest that the Police are fully responsible for everything that happened yesterday evening?
The police regularly refer cases to the IPCC even when they are most obviosuly not to blame for what happened. It is no admission of liability.

How would you have stopped a horse, weighing perhaps a ton, on a fast road at night?
[quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: If Hampshire Police has referred this to the IPCC, it must mean that Hampshire Police are admitted some liability to this incident. It seems to me that the problem started when Police began looking for the horse at the spot where it had been seen. Horses move and torches would have been pretty useless in locating a moving animal. Had the Police helicopter been scrambled with infra red cameras, the horse could have been quickly located and caught. There would not have been a seven hour delay on the A31 and, perhaps more importantly, there would not have been a fatality. So why didn't the Police do this and does the lack of such action suggest that the Police are fully responsible for everything that happened yesterday evening?[/p][/quote]The police regularly refer cases to the IPCC even when they are most obviosuly not to blame for what happened. It is no admission of liability. How would you have stopped a horse, weighing perhaps a ton, on a fast road at night? News Fanatic

7:51pm Thu 23 Jan 14

gilbertratchet says...

Mary80 wrote:
can DE remove the post vote thing its being abused by people
Also, it isn't abuse just because you disagree with it.
[quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: can DE remove the post vote thing its being abused by people[/p][/quote]Also, it isn't abuse just because you disagree with it. gilbertratchet

7:58pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Mary80 says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
Mary80 wrote:
can DE remove the post vote thing its being abused by people
Also, it isn't abuse just because you disagree with it.
When people are downvoting just to be obnoxious it IS abuse
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: can DE remove the post vote thing its being abused by people[/p][/quote]Also, it isn't abuse just because you disagree with it.[/p][/quote]When people are downvoting just to be obnoxious it IS abuse Mary80

8:25pm Thu 23 Jan 14

S Pance says...

A death occurred in an incident connected to a Police operation, thus the Police automatically refer it to the IPCC regardless. It's standard procedure in these sorts of incidents.

It's very sad that someone died but removing a startled horse from a very busy road that's carrying traffic is an incredibly difficult and risk things to do. The Police won't have had time to close the carriageway before this tragedy occurred.

Sincere condolences to the family and also to the officers involved, as they'll be seriously cut-up by the fact someone died.
A death occurred in an incident connected to a Police operation, thus the Police automatically refer it to the IPCC regardless. It's standard procedure in these sorts of incidents. It's very sad that someone died but removing a startled horse from a very busy road that's carrying traffic is an incredibly difficult and risk things to do. The Police won't have had time to close the carriageway before this tragedy occurred. Sincere condolences to the family and also to the officers involved, as they'll be seriously cut-up by the fact someone died. S Pance

8:33pm Thu 23 Jan 14

S Pance says...

If it transpires that speed was a factor then Hampshire County Council have blood on their hands for not reducing the speed limit on the A31 as locals requested.
If it transpires that speed was a factor then Hampshire County Council have blood on their hands for not reducing the speed limit on the A31 as locals requested. S Pance

8:46pm Thu 23 Jan 14

The Mad Dog says...

S Pance wrote:
If it transpires that speed was a factor then Hampshire County Council have blood on their hands for not reducing the speed limit on the A31 as locals requested.
Posted on an earlier version of this story:
This is from the New Forest District Council website:

Planning and transportation review 2008

2.5
Police and Highways Agency Officers have studied that accident information available and concluded that:
• most casualties are due to rear end collisions
• speed is not the main cause of these accidents.
• lowering the speed limit would not significantly reduce the number of recorded injury accidents.
• consideration should be given to engineering measures to reduce the number of rear end collisions.
[quote][p][bold]S Pance[/bold] wrote: If it transpires that speed was a factor then Hampshire County Council have blood on their hands for not reducing the speed limit on the A31 as locals requested.[/p][/quote]Posted on an earlier version of this story: This is from the New Forest District Council website: Planning and transportation review 2008 2.5 Police and Highways Agency Officers have studied that accident information available and concluded that: • most casualties are due to rear end collisions • speed is not the main cause of these accidents. • lowering the speed limit would not significantly reduce the number of recorded injury accidents. • consideration should be given to engineering measures to reduce the number of rear end collisions. The Mad Dog

8:58pm Thu 23 Jan 14

red/whitearmy says...

issacchunt wrote:
red/whitearmy wrote:
R.I.P. Dan , The motorcyclist who died. Bubbly man . He was always saying that this whole stretch was a grand prix stretch. He worked in Eastleigh and lived in a flat over looking bournemouth beach. I have driven this stretch many times and motorists just love speeding along here at least 90. Plus you get the tail gaters who want to push you faster or force you to move over. I top speed this at 70 , some times 80 if over taking. Thats all it needs along here.
None of that is relevent, there was a horse in the road!
Regardless of the freaking horse you numpty , speed is a factor along here. I feel sorry for the horse , dan and the other motor cyclist. It does not matter if there was a horse or not , motorists still speed along here. So if there was no horse involved does that make such a difference. Ive seen accidents along here and cars tail gating too close , All im saying is for motorists to use sense and slow down. I dont care if you agree or dis agree . Knowing a horse was involved with these motorcyclists just makes it worse.
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]red/whitearmy[/bold] wrote: R.I.P. Dan , The motorcyclist who died. Bubbly man . He was always saying that this whole stretch was a grand prix stretch. He worked in Eastleigh and lived in a flat over looking bournemouth beach. I have driven this stretch many times and motorists just love speeding along here at least 90. Plus you get the tail gaters who want to push you faster or force you to move over. I top speed this at 70 , some times 80 if over taking. Thats all it needs along here.[/p][/quote]None of that is relevent, there was a horse in the road![/p][/quote]Regardless of the freaking horse you numpty , speed is a factor along here. I feel sorry for the horse , dan and the other motor cyclist. It does not matter if there was a horse or not , motorists still speed along here. So if there was no horse involved does that make such a difference. Ive seen accidents along here and cars tail gating too close , All im saying is for motorists to use sense and slow down. I dont care if you agree or dis agree . Knowing a horse was involved with these motorcyclists just makes it worse. red/whitearmy

9:01pm Thu 23 Jan 14

red/whitearmy says...

Huey wrote:
Get rid off all horses near roads. Including those in the forest. Not fair on them or us. What is the need for horses these days anyway? What century are we living in? They are totally to blame for this.
Is that a joke. Considering the new forest is the home of animals such as ponies and horses. They were there before cars.
[quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Get rid off all horses near roads. Including those in the forest. Not fair on them or us. What is the need for horses these days anyway? What century are we living in? They are totally to blame for this.[/p][/quote]Is that a joke. Considering the new forest is the home of animals such as ponies and horses. They were there before cars. red/whitearmy

9:25pm Thu 23 Jan 14

SotonGreen says...

To be fair I wasnt berating him for saying something other than R.I.P. I was berating for complaining about the length of time the police dedicated to properly investigating a fatal accident. As I said if it was your loved one you would want all the facts to come out and for everything to be done properly.
To be fair I wasnt berating him for saying something other than R.I.P. I was berating for complaining about the length of time the police dedicated to properly investigating a fatal accident. As I said if it was your loved one you would want all the facts to come out and for everything to be done properly. SotonGreen

10:53pm Thu 23 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

SotonGreen wrote:
Someone has died, you spanner, have a bit of bloody respect, it was your loved one you would want it done proper.
..and you think that doesn't go without saying? I am as upset as anyone that a person and an innocent horse died, my remark is about the fact that it was avoidable, someone has failed to do their job correctly, both before the accident and afterwards. I have long been tub thumping about keeping animals behind fences in the Forest, failure to do so will see more accidents in the future.
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: Someone has died, you spanner, have a bit of bloody respect, it was your loved one you would want it done proper.[/p][/quote]..and you think that doesn't go without saying? I am as upset as anyone that a person and an innocent horse died, my remark is about the fact that it was avoidable, someone has failed to do their job correctly, both before the accident and afterwards. I have long been tub thumping about keeping animals behind fences in the Forest, failure to do so will see more accidents in the future. OSPREYSAINT

11:10pm Thu 23 Jan 14

eurogordi says...

For those who claim it would have been difficult to remove the horse, that's why the traffic was stopped in the first place while the Police were searching the area where the horse had been seen. Unfortunately the horse decided to move and was found 3/4 miles from its original sighting.

This could have been avoided if the Police had realised that horses have legs, which is why a helicopter with infra red cameras would have quickly located the horse. The verderers and possible a vet should have also been called, and I am certain that the horse would have been caught.
For those who claim it would have been difficult to remove the horse, that's why the traffic was stopped in the first place while the Police were searching the area where the horse had been seen. Unfortunately the horse decided to move and was found 3/4 miles from its original sighting. This could have been avoided if the Police had realised that horses have legs, which is why a helicopter with infra red cameras would have quickly located the horse. The verderers and possible a vet should have also been called, and I am certain that the horse would have been caught. eurogordi

11:27pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

SotonGreen wrote:
Someone has died, you spanner, have a bit of bloody respect, it was your loved one you would want it done proper.
Well said
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: Someone has died, you spanner, have a bit of bloody respect, it was your loved one you would want it done proper.[/p][/quote]Well said Paramjit Bahia

12:45am Fri 24 Jan 14

BeyondImagination says...

Obviously casualties have to be given priority in injury accidents, but that doesn't take 7 hours. Once they have been cared for, more consideration should be given to turning around trapped traffic. Investigations usually take several hours and to simply leave hundreds of motorists waiting for them to be completed is unacceptable. It may not be appropriate to move vehicles close to the crash scene but prompt action should be taken to stop more traffic joining the end of the queue and providing a safe exit for those who are trapped. If it adds a couple of hours to the investigation and recovery of vehicles, so what?
Obviously casualties have to be given priority in injury accidents, but that doesn't take 7 hours. Once they have been cared for, more consideration should be given to turning around trapped traffic. Investigations usually take several hours and to simply leave hundreds of motorists waiting for them to be completed is unacceptable. It may not be appropriate to move vehicles close to the crash scene but prompt action should be taken to stop more traffic joining the end of the queue and providing a safe exit for those who are trapped. If it adds a couple of hours to the investigation and recovery of vehicles, so what? BeyondImagination

2:30am Fri 24 Jan 14

Poppy22 says...

A tragic accident. I did wonder if perhaps there could be emergency "gates" on that stretch of road central reservation so that the Police could escort cars from one carriageway onto the other to go back in the direction they came from? Very sad if horses and donkey are getting onto the carriageway. That must mean that better fencing is needed. I think too, with all the horses being killed or injured in the Forest, it's time to either drop the limit to 20mph, put cameras along the roads or fence off parts of the Forest for the horses, cattle etc in order to keep them safe. With more and more cars in the area, and the speeds people travel in the Forest and along the A31, something needs to be done now.
A tragic accident. I did wonder if perhaps there could be emergency "gates" on that stretch of road central reservation so that the Police could escort cars from one carriageway onto the other to go back in the direction they came from? Very sad if horses and donkey are getting onto the carriageway. That must mean that better fencing is needed. I think too, with all the horses being killed or injured in the Forest, it's time to either drop the limit to 20mph, put cameras along the roads or fence off parts of the Forest for the horses, cattle etc in order to keep them safe. With more and more cars in the area, and the speeds people travel in the Forest and along the A31, something needs to be done now. Poppy22

8:38am Fri 24 Jan 14

missopinion2014 says...

BeyondImagination wrote:
Obviously casualties have to be given priority in injury accidents, but that doesn't take 7 hours. Once they have been cared for, more consideration should be given to turning around trapped traffic. Investigations usually take several hours and to simply leave hundreds of motorists waiting for them to be completed is unacceptable. It may not be appropriate to move vehicles close to the crash scene but prompt action should be taken to stop more traffic joining the end of the queue and providing a safe exit for those who are trapped. If it adds a couple of hours to the investigation and recovery of vehicles, so what?
When completing accident investigations, time is of the essence. Forensic evidence can be 'washed away or altered' for example due to factors such as rain. While I do agree that the situation could of been handled better... Giving accurate and honest information to the family of the biker should ALWAYS be the priority. Someone lost their life.. all anyone else lost was a couple of hours. The average person lives just under 701,000 hours... to lose 7 hours when somebody lost their life.. small sacrifice I say and I would galdly give up 7 hours to give a family closure and compassion on losing their loved one. If you've lost someone you really love, you will understand that mentality. To everyone else - think about the bigger picture rather than yourself.
[quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote: Obviously casualties have to be given priority in injury accidents, but that doesn't take 7 hours. Once they have been cared for, more consideration should be given to turning around trapped traffic. Investigations usually take several hours and to simply leave hundreds of motorists waiting for them to be completed is unacceptable. It may not be appropriate to move vehicles close to the crash scene but prompt action should be taken to stop more traffic joining the end of the queue and providing a safe exit for those who are trapped. If it adds a couple of hours to the investigation and recovery of vehicles, so what?[/p][/quote]When completing accident investigations, time is of the essence. Forensic evidence can be 'washed away or altered' for example due to factors such as rain. While I do agree that the situation could of been handled better... Giving accurate and honest information to the family of the biker should ALWAYS be the priority. Someone lost their life.. all anyone else lost was a couple of hours. The average person lives just under 701,000 hours... to lose 7 hours when somebody lost their life.. small sacrifice I say and I would galdly give up 7 hours to give a family closure and compassion on losing their loved one. If you've lost someone you really love, you will understand that mentality. To everyone else - think about the bigger picture rather than yourself. missopinion2014

9:00am Fri 24 Jan 14

gilbertratchet says...

Mary80 wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
Mary80 wrote:
can DE remove the post vote thing its being abused by people
Also, it isn't abuse just because you disagree with it.
When people are downvoting just to be obnoxious it IS abuse
How? It's their right to do so.
[quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: can DE remove the post vote thing its being abused by people[/p][/quote]Also, it isn't abuse just because you disagree with it.[/p][/quote]When people are downvoting just to be obnoxious it IS abuse[/p][/quote]How? It's their right to do so. gilbertratchet

9:06am Fri 24 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Poppy22 wrote:
A tragic accident. I did wonder if perhaps there could be emergency "gates" on that stretch of road central reservation so that the Police could escort cars from one carriageway onto the other to go back in the direction they came from? Very sad if horses and donkey are getting onto the carriageway. That must mean that better fencing is needed. I think too, with all the horses being killed or injured in the Forest, it's time to either drop the limit to 20mph, put cameras along the roads or fence off parts of the Forest for the horses, cattle etc in order to keep them safe. With more and more cars in the area, and the speeds people travel in the Forest and along the A31, something needs to be done now.
Spot on, but nobody is listening.
[quote][p][bold]Poppy22[/bold] wrote: A tragic accident. I did wonder if perhaps there could be emergency "gates" on that stretch of road central reservation so that the Police could escort cars from one carriageway onto the other to go back in the direction they came from? Very sad if horses and donkey are getting onto the carriageway. That must mean that better fencing is needed. I think too, with all the horses being killed or injured in the Forest, it's time to either drop the limit to 20mph, put cameras along the roads or fence off parts of the Forest for the horses, cattle etc in order to keep them safe. With more and more cars in the area, and the speeds people travel in the Forest and along the A31, something needs to be done now.[/p][/quote]Spot on, but nobody is listening. OSPREYSAINT

9:20am Fri 24 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
Someone has died, you spanner, have a bit of bloody respect, it was your loved one you would want it done proper.
Well said
Sorry I disagree, firstly I don't appreciate being abused by a sanctimonious poster who could have worded his/her response just by saying that we should express our regrets before going on to discuss the subject of the thread. For me it goes without saying that the deaths were distressing and didn't need to be repeated. As I said in the first place this incident was preventable and should have been handled better. This is not an isolated event, attitudes must change about road layouts, this one in particular is a nightmare road with an appaling record which needs to be addressed, as it it is there will be more deaths and injuries until the authorities and the road users come to their senses.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: Someone has died, you spanner, have a bit of bloody respect, it was your loved one you would want it done proper.[/p][/quote]Well said[/p][/quote]Sorry I disagree, firstly I don't appreciate being abused by a sanctimonious poster who could have worded his/her response just by saying that we should express our regrets before going on to discuss the subject of the thread. For me it goes without saying that the deaths were distressing and didn't need to be repeated. As I said in the first place this incident was preventable and should have been handled better. This is not an isolated event, attitudes must change about road layouts, this one in particular is a nightmare road with an appaling record which needs to be addressed, as it it is there will be more deaths and injuries until the authorities and the road users come to their senses. OSPREYSAINT

9:26am Fri 24 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

SotonGreen wrote:
To be fair I wasnt berating him for saying something other than R.I.P. I was berating for complaining about the length of time the police dedicated to properly investigating a fatal accident. As I said if it was your loved one you would want all the facts to come out and for everything to be done properly.
You were abusive and that is why I think you are out of order, you see me as the villain, you have assumed that I don't care, you obviously don't know me, whereas I was responding to the subject of the thread itself. Make your point, fair enough but not by breaking the rules of the site. "Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious".
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: To be fair I wasnt berating him for saying something other than R.I.P. I was berating for complaining about the length of time the police dedicated to properly investigating a fatal accident. As I said if it was your loved one you would want all the facts to come out and for everything to be done properly.[/p][/quote]You were abusive and that is why I think you are out of order, you see me as the villain, you have assumed that I don't care, you obviously don't know me, whereas I was responding to the subject of the thread itself. Make your point, fair enough but not by breaking the rules of the site. "Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious". OSPREYSAINT

9:33am Fri 24 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Mary80 wrote:
red/whitearmy wrote:
R.I.P. Dan , The motorcyclist who died. Bubbly man . He was always saying that this whole stretch was a grand prix stretch. He worked in Eastleigh and lived in a flat over looking bournemouth beach. I have driven this stretch many times and motorists just love speeding along here at least 90. Plus you get the tail gaters who want to push you faster or force you to move over. I top speed this at 70 , some times 80 if over taking. Thats all it needs along here.
Sadly some idiots have downvoted your post. No shock really they downvote posts that dont' deserve it. Shame on EVERYONE who downvoted this post, does it make you feel big knowing you downvoted someone who may have KNOWN the victim? Classless as ever for the DE comment section
Does it not occur to you that some have down voted it because he has actually pleaded guilty to be breaking the law, he has admitted speeding, he has committed an offence and seems proud of the fact.
[quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]red/whitearmy[/bold] wrote: R.I.P. Dan , The motorcyclist who died. Bubbly man . He was always saying that this whole stretch was a grand prix stretch. He worked in Eastleigh and lived in a flat over looking bournemouth beach. I have driven this stretch many times and motorists just love speeding along here at least 90. Plus you get the tail gaters who want to push you faster or force you to move over. I top speed this at 70 , some times 80 if over taking. Thats all it needs along here.[/p][/quote]Sadly some idiots have downvoted your post. No shock really they downvote posts that dont' deserve it. Shame on EVERYONE who downvoted this post, does it make you feel big knowing you downvoted someone who may have KNOWN the victim? Classless as ever for the DE comment section[/p][/quote]Does it not occur to you that some have down voted it because he has actually pleaded guilty to be breaking the law, he has admitted speeding, he has committed an offence and seems proud of the fact. OSPREYSAINT

9:41am Fri 24 Jan 14

biggus2 says...

Very Tragic incident. Two things to bare in mind here one you need to get the investigation team to the scene to investigate the collision and also a lot of resources to close the A31. Unfortunately the Police have limited resources and those traffic resources they have to get there from all over the county. To turn traffic around and send it back down the road the wrong way you have to have all those resources in place and be 100% sure you have total control of the traffic. As for air support Hampshire don't have their own its a national resource based elsewhere like 35 mins away. But that is not going to ease the traffic. If anyone has a better solution then contact Hampshire Police
Very Tragic incident. Two things to bare in mind here one you need to get the investigation team to the scene to investigate the collision and also a lot of resources to close the A31. Unfortunately the Police have limited resources and those traffic resources they have to get there from all over the county. To turn traffic around and send it back down the road the wrong way you have to have all those resources in place and be 100% sure you have total control of the traffic. As for air support Hampshire don't have their own its a national resource based elsewhere like 35 mins away. But that is not going to ease the traffic. If anyone has a better solution then contact Hampshire Police biggus2

11:15am Fri 24 Jan 14

gilbertratchet says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
To be fair I wasnt berating him for saying something other than R.I.P. I was berating for complaining about the length of time the police dedicated to properly investigating a fatal accident. As I said if it was your loved one you would want all the facts to come out and for everything to be done properly.
You were abusive and that is why I think you are out of order, you see me as the villain, you have assumed that I don't care, you obviously don't know me, whereas I was responding to the subject of the thread itself. Make your point, fair enough but not by breaking the rules of the site. "Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious".
Good post. This story is about the police handling of the incident, not the tragedy itself. We should be free to discuss that without reproach.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: To be fair I wasnt berating him for saying something other than R.I.P. I was berating for complaining about the length of time the police dedicated to properly investigating a fatal accident. As I said if it was your loved one you would want all the facts to come out and for everything to be done properly.[/p][/quote]You were abusive and that is why I think you are out of order, you see me as the villain, you have assumed that I don't care, you obviously don't know me, whereas I was responding to the subject of the thread itself. Make your point, fair enough but not by breaking the rules of the site. "Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious".[/p][/quote]Good post. This story is about the police handling of the incident, not the tragedy itself. We should be free to discuss that without reproach. gilbertratchet

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