Hampshire's Police and Crime Commissioner refuses to reveal how much Alpha Park was sold for

Police chief refuses to reveal size of loss on HQ

Police chief refuses to reveal size of loss on HQ

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Hampshire police chief Simon Hayes today refused to reveal how much Alpha Park, the controversial new base, had been sold for.

As reported in the Daily Echo earlier this week, the sale of the offices in Chandler's Ford was going through with an unnamed purchaser.

The site was bought in 2008 for £9.6m before the recession.

Today Police and Crime Commissioner Simon Hayes told the Police and Crime Panel: “We have accepted an offer. I have signed my part. The potential purchaser has signed theirs. We have exchanged and are waiting for surveys to be completed. It should be completed in two-to-three weeks.”

Mr Hayes added: “We have sold for less than the police authority purchased it for. That is not new news either. I talked about this when I launched our estates strategy last April. I have agreed not to release the sale price or say anything about it whatsoever.”

Cllr John Beavis, panel member, asked whether Mr Hayes would be able to maintain that stance if a Freedom of Information request was made.

Mr Hayes said: “Good point. I don't know the answer. I'm happy when the deal is done to discuss the price. There is no interest from me not to. It is a request from the purchaser.”

Cllr Adrian Collett said: “No doubt selling Alpha Park is the right thing to do. It was purchased before Lehman Brothers crashed and the austerity we now face so clearly it would have been silly to keep hold of it. Did you consider the timing of the sale from the point of view whether you could get a better price from holding on?”

Mr Hayes said: “The answer is yes. We did hold back for a little while and were able to realise a few more pennies than otherwise. I said I was prepared not to sell if we didn't get a favourable price.”

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12:37pm Fri 24 Jan 14

good-gosh says...

Cash in the hand is always better than owning an unused building - it costs money to keep empty.
Cash in the hand is always better than owning an unused building - it costs money to keep empty. good-gosh
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1:55pm Fri 24 Jan 14

newsknight says...

The survey will make interesting reading - after the Americans screwed us over on the price of the building it was left unattended and the pikeys moved in smashing holes in the windows at the side of the building and removing metal and cables ... its trashed basically!! Then someone employed security after that.....to the cost of the taxpayers of course!!
The survey will make interesting reading - after the Americans screwed us over on the price of the building it was left unattended and the pikeys moved in smashing holes in the windows at the side of the building and removing metal and cables ... its trashed basically!! Then someone employed security after that.....to the cost of the taxpayers of course!! newsknight
  • Score: 3

3:07pm Fri 24 Jan 14

in search of the truth says...

When the sale is completed the Land Registry will have full details about the purchase price, I know you can find out about the prices houses go for through the Land Registry, surely the same applies to none residential buildings ?
When the sale is completed the Land Registry will have full details about the purchase price, I know you can find out about the prices houses go for through the Land Registry, surely the same applies to none residential buildings ? in search of the truth
  • Score: 3

3:35pm Fri 24 Jan 14

southy says...

Well Well i never as normal the Right wing lot still carrying on operating a close book
Well Well i never as normal the Right wing lot still carrying on operating a close book southy
  • Score: -7

3:43pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Well Well i never as normal the Right wing lot still carrying on operating a close book
'No its not and i don,t use every single story as a political only the ones that have been effected by political agenda, and this article is highly political, if he don't like it then don't read it simple as that.'

You are trolling. Try to hold your wad and stop it.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Well Well i never as normal the Right wing lot still carrying on operating a close book[/p][/quote]'No its not and i don,t use every single story as a political only the ones that have been effected by political agenda, and this article is highly political, if he don't like it then don't read it simple as that.' You are trolling. Try to hold your wad and stop it. Shoong
  • Score: 5

4:02pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Red1918 says...

Looks like everyone has forgotten that this is another (very expensive)shambles overseen by Jaquie Rayment when she was Chair of the Police Authority. That is, before she moved on to creating gridlock on Southampton's roads. Seems the more stunningly incompetent you are the easier it is to move on and create mayhem elsewhere.
Looks like everyone has forgotten that this is another (very expensive)shambles overseen by Jaquie Rayment when she was Chair of the Police Authority. That is, before she moved on to creating gridlock on Southampton's roads. Seems the more stunningly incompetent you are the easier it is to move on and create mayhem elsewhere. Red1918
  • Score: 18

5:11pm Fri 24 Jan 14

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Well Well i never as normal the Right wing lot still carrying on operating a close book
'No its not and i don,t use every single story as a political only the ones that have been effected by political agenda, and this article is highly political, if he don't like it then don't read it simple as that.'

You are trolling. Try to hold your wad and stop it.
Ah the stalker troll Shoong who don't like politics, and do not want the truth to get out, You live in a political world, it is a very political times we live in, Get Use To It, suggestion if you don't like it then don't read it or post.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Well Well i never as normal the Right wing lot still carrying on operating a close book[/p][/quote]'No its not and i don,t use every single story as a political only the ones that have been effected by political agenda, and this article is highly political, if he don't like it then don't read it simple as that.' You are trolling. Try to hold your wad and stop it.[/p][/quote]Ah the stalker troll Shoong who don't like politics, and do not want the truth to get out, You live in a political world, it is a very political times we live in, Get Use To It, suggestion if you don't like it then don't read it or post. southy
  • Score: -8

5:12pm Fri 24 Jan 14

southy says...

Red1918 wrote:
Looks like everyone has forgotten that this is another (very expensive)shambles overseen by Jaquie Rayment when she was Chair of the Police Authority. That is, before she moved on to creating gridlock on Southampton's roads. Seems the more stunningly incompetent you are the easier it is to move on and create mayhem elsewhere.
To be honest with you Labour are as bad as the Torys, both have created mayhem both Nationally and locally
[quote][p][bold]Red1918[/bold] wrote: Looks like everyone has forgotten that this is another (very expensive)shambles overseen by Jaquie Rayment when she was Chair of the Police Authority. That is, before she moved on to creating gridlock on Southampton's roads. Seems the more stunningly incompetent you are the easier it is to move on and create mayhem elsewhere.[/p][/quote]To be honest with you Labour are as bad as the Torys, both have created mayhem both Nationally and locally southy
  • Score: -6

5:51pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote: Well Well i never as normal the Right wing lot still carrying on operating a close book
'No its not and i don,t use every single story as a political only the ones that have been effected by political agenda, and this article is highly political, if he don't like it then don't read it simple as that.' You are trolling. Try to hold your wad and stop it.
Ah the stalker troll Shoong who don't like politics, and do not want the truth to get out, You live in a political world, it is a very political times we live in, Get Use To It, suggestion if you don't like it then don't read it or post.
You can't call me something you are to exonerate your own misdemeanors.

Don't like politics? You do have a funny idea regarding the definition of politics.

Wrong again hypocrite, you can call me a 'stalker troll' all you like, but I was raised to challenge liars and charlatans.

So yes, you are in the firing line.

I love politics, it's one of the benefits of living in a free democracy. Your requests to only get the 'right things' published gives away your agenda.

Under the regime you hanker for, I suspect only the 'right things' would be published and those who question it vanish suddenly.

One thing is clear: the evidence suggests real world politics doesn't like you.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Well Well i never as normal the Right wing lot still carrying on operating a close book[/p][/quote]'No its not and i don,t use every single story as a political only the ones that have been effected by political agenda, and this article is highly political, if he don't like it then don't read it simple as that.' You are trolling. Try to hold your wad and stop it.[/p][/quote]Ah the stalker troll Shoong who don't like politics, and do not want the truth to get out, You live in a political world, it is a very political times we live in, Get Use To It, suggestion if you don't like it then don't read it or post.[/p][/quote]You can't call me something you are to exonerate your own misdemeanors. Don't like politics? You do have a funny idea regarding the definition of politics. Wrong again hypocrite, you can call me a 'stalker troll' all you like, but I was raised to challenge liars and charlatans. So yes, you are in the firing line. I love politics, it's one of the benefits of living in a free democracy. Your requests to only get the 'right things' published gives away your agenda. Under the regime you hanker for, I suspect only the 'right things' would be published and those who question it vanish suddenly. One thing is clear: the evidence suggests real world politics doesn't like you. Shoong
  • Score: 7

6:41pm Fri 24 Jan 14

george h says...

Red1918 wrote:
Looks like everyone has forgotten that this is another (very expensive)shambles overseen by Jaquie Rayment when she was Chair of the Police Authority. That is, before she moved on to creating gridlock on Southampton's roads. Seems the more stunningly incompetent you are the easier it is to move on and create mayhem elsewhere.
Well put Red.
[quote][p][bold]Red1918[/bold] wrote: Looks like everyone has forgotten that this is another (very expensive)shambles overseen by Jaquie Rayment when she was Chair of the Police Authority. That is, before she moved on to creating gridlock on Southampton's roads. Seems the more stunningly incompetent you are the easier it is to move on and create mayhem elsewhere.[/p][/quote]Well put Red. george h
  • Score: 4

7:05pm Fri 24 Jan 14

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote: Well Well i never as normal the Right wing lot still carrying on operating a close book
'No its not and i don,t use every single story as a political only the ones that have been effected by political agenda, and this article is highly political, if he don't like it then don't read it simple as that.' You are trolling. Try to hold your wad and stop it.
Ah the stalker troll Shoong who don't like politics, and do not want the truth to get out, You live in a political world, it is a very political times we live in, Get Use To It, suggestion if you don't like it then don't read it or post.
You can't call me something you are to exonerate your own misdemeanors.

Don't like politics? You do have a funny idea regarding the definition of politics.

Wrong again hypocrite, you can call me a 'stalker troll' all you like, but I was raised to challenge liars and charlatans.

So yes, you are in the firing line.

I love politics, it's one of the benefits of living in a free democracy. Your requests to only get the 'right things' published gives away your agenda.

Under the regime you hanker for, I suspect only the 'right things' would be published and those who question it vanish suddenly.

One thing is clear: the evidence suggests real world politics doesn't like you.
http://vodlocker.com
/owrxp2zzog1x
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Well Well i never as normal the Right wing lot still carrying on operating a close book[/p][/quote]'No its not and i don,t use every single story as a political only the ones that have been effected by political agenda, and this article is highly political, if he don't like it then don't read it simple as that.' You are trolling. Try to hold your wad and stop it.[/p][/quote]Ah the stalker troll Shoong who don't like politics, and do not want the truth to get out, You live in a political world, it is a very political times we live in, Get Use To It, suggestion if you don't like it then don't read it or post.[/p][/quote]You can't call me something you are to exonerate your own misdemeanors. Don't like politics? You do have a funny idea regarding the definition of politics. Wrong again hypocrite, you can call me a 'stalker troll' all you like, but I was raised to challenge liars and charlatans. So yes, you are in the firing line. I love politics, it's one of the benefits of living in a free democracy. Your requests to only get the 'right things' published gives away your agenda. Under the regime you hanker for, I suspect only the 'right things' would be published and those who question it vanish suddenly. One thing is clear: the evidence suggests real world politics doesn't like you.[/p][/quote]http://vodlocker.com /owrxp2zzog1x southy
  • Score: -3

7:32pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Linesman says...

Red1918 wrote:
Looks like everyone has forgotten that this is another (very expensive)shambles overseen by Jaquie Rayment when she was Chair of the Police Authority. That is, before she moved on to creating gridlock on Southampton's roads. Seems the more stunningly incompetent you are the easier it is to move on and create mayhem elsewhere.
She was Chairperson of the Police Authority.

The Chairman of any committee rarely has a vote, only when the committee they are chairing has reached deadlock, and then they have the casting vote.

In this case, did Jaqui Rayment have the casting vote?

I think that if you check it out, she did not.

While you are checking that out, perhaps you would care to check out how many members there were on that committee, and which political party they belonged to.
[quote][p][bold]Red1918[/bold] wrote: Looks like everyone has forgotten that this is another (very expensive)shambles overseen by Jaquie Rayment when she was Chair of the Police Authority. That is, before she moved on to creating gridlock on Southampton's roads. Seems the more stunningly incompetent you are the easier it is to move on and create mayhem elsewhere.[/p][/quote]She was Chairperson of the Police Authority. The Chairman of any committee rarely has a vote, only when the committee they are chairing has reached deadlock, and then they have the casting vote. In this case, did Jaqui Rayment have the casting vote? I think that if you check it out, she did not. While you are checking that out, perhaps you would care to check out how many members there were on that committee, and which political party they belonged to. Linesman
  • Score: -3

8:06pm Fri 24 Jan 14

southy says...

Linesman wrote:
Red1918 wrote:
Looks like everyone has forgotten that this is another (very expensive)shambles overseen by Jaquie Rayment when she was Chair of the Police Authority. That is, before she moved on to creating gridlock on Southampton's roads. Seems the more stunningly incompetent you are the easier it is to move on and create mayhem elsewhere.
She was Chairperson of the Police Authority.

The Chairman of any committee rarely has a vote, only when the committee they are chairing has reached deadlock, and then they have the casting vote.

In this case, did Jaqui Rayment have the casting vote?

I think that if you check it out, she did not.

While you are checking that out, perhaps you would care to check out how many members there were on that committee, and which political party they belonged to.
Think you find she did not need to vote, But I would not trust Labour any more than I would trust Tory,s Lines
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Red1918[/bold] wrote: Looks like everyone has forgotten that this is another (very expensive)shambles overseen by Jaquie Rayment when she was Chair of the Police Authority. That is, before she moved on to creating gridlock on Southampton's roads. Seems the more stunningly incompetent you are the easier it is to move on and create mayhem elsewhere.[/p][/quote]She was Chairperson of the Police Authority. The Chairman of any committee rarely has a vote, only when the committee they are chairing has reached deadlock, and then they have the casting vote. In this case, did Jaqui Rayment have the casting vote? I think that if you check it out, she did not. While you are checking that out, perhaps you would care to check out how many members there were on that committee, and which political party they belonged to.[/p][/quote]Think you find she did not need to vote, But I would not trust Labour any more than I would trust Tory,s Lines southy
  • Score: -2

8:39pm Fri 24 Jan 14

elvisimo says...

southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Red1918 wrote:
Looks like everyone has forgotten that this is another (very expensive)shambles overseen by Jaquie Rayment when she was Chair of the Police Authority. That is, before she moved on to creating gridlock on Southampton's roads. Seems the more stunningly incompetent you are the easier it is to move on and create mayhem elsewhere.
She was Chairperson of the Police Authority.

The Chairman of any committee rarely has a vote, only when the committee they are chairing has reached deadlock, and then they have the casting vote.

In this case, did Jaqui Rayment have the casting vote?

I think that if you check it out, she did not.

While you are checking that out, perhaps you would care to check out how many members there were on that committee, and which political party they belonged to.
Think you find she did not need to vote, But I would not trust Labour any more than I would trust Tory,s Lines
This woman should be shot. How dare she or indeed the police pay the market price for a property without the clairvoyance to foresee a property crash and recession ...
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Red1918[/bold] wrote: Looks like everyone has forgotten that this is another (very expensive)shambles overseen by Jaquie Rayment when she was Chair of the Police Authority. That is, before she moved on to creating gridlock on Southampton's roads. Seems the more stunningly incompetent you are the easier it is to move on and create mayhem elsewhere.[/p][/quote]She was Chairperson of the Police Authority. The Chairman of any committee rarely has a vote, only when the committee they are chairing has reached deadlock, and then they have the casting vote. In this case, did Jaqui Rayment have the casting vote? I think that if you check it out, she did not. While you are checking that out, perhaps you would care to check out how many members there were on that committee, and which political party they belonged to.[/p][/quote]Think you find she did not need to vote, But I would not trust Labour any more than I would trust Tory,s Lines[/p][/quote]This woman should be shot. How dare she or indeed the police pay the market price for a property without the clairvoyance to foresee a property crash and recession ... elvisimo
  • Score: 4

8:45pm Fri 24 Jan 14

sparkster says...

0ne word really apart from waste of taxpayers money SHAMBLES
0ne word really apart from waste of taxpayers money SHAMBLES sparkster
  • Score: 2

10:53pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Linesman says...

southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Red1918 wrote:
Looks like everyone has forgotten that this is another (very expensive)shambles overseen by Jaquie Rayment when she was Chair of the Police Authority. That is, before she moved on to creating gridlock on Southampton's roads. Seems the more stunningly incompetent you are the easier it is to move on and create mayhem elsewhere.
She was Chairperson of the Police Authority.

The Chairman of any committee rarely has a vote, only when the committee they are chairing has reached deadlock, and then they have the casting vote.

In this case, did Jaqui Rayment have the casting vote?

I think that if you check it out, she did not.

While you are checking that out, perhaps you would care to check out how many members there were on that committee, and which political party they belonged to.
Think you find she did not need to vote, But I would not trust Labour any more than I would trust Tory,s Lines
I think that. as successive election results have shown, precious few people support the party that you support.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Red1918[/bold] wrote: Looks like everyone has forgotten that this is another (very expensive)shambles overseen by Jaquie Rayment when she was Chair of the Police Authority. That is, before she moved on to creating gridlock on Southampton's roads. Seems the more stunningly incompetent you are the easier it is to move on and create mayhem elsewhere.[/p][/quote]She was Chairperson of the Police Authority. The Chairman of any committee rarely has a vote, only when the committee they are chairing has reached deadlock, and then they have the casting vote. In this case, did Jaqui Rayment have the casting vote? I think that if you check it out, she did not. While you are checking that out, perhaps you would care to check out how many members there were on that committee, and which political party they belonged to.[/p][/quote]Think you find she did not need to vote, But I would not trust Labour any more than I would trust Tory,s Lines[/p][/quote]I think that. as successive election results have shown, precious few people support the party that you support. Linesman
  • Score: 6

2:58am Sat 25 Jan 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

george h wrote:
Red1918 wrote:
Looks like everyone has forgotten that this is another (very expensive)shambles overseen by Jaquie Rayment when she was Chair of the Police Authority. That is, before she moved on to creating gridlock on Southampton's roads. Seems the more stunningly incompetent you are the easier it is to move on and create mayhem elsewhere.
Well put Red.
Agree with George H that Red1981 has very good memory and guts to remind people the truth about NuLabour's favourite mess maker Cllr Jacqui Rayment.

Only hope Red1918 will not come across some fanatical thugs belonging to Miliband's mob in some dark side street, and if he does they do not recognise him/her.

Costly decision to public purse, buying unsuitable for the purpose over priced property, by the Police Authority under the Chairmanship of Cllr. Rayment was not the only almighty blunder. Perhaps somebody with better memory than this old man or Cllr. Rayment herself will correct me if I am wrong, was she also not involved in opening her big cake hole to certain section of the media and gifting hacks with confidential information?

Apart from Himalyan proportions bad decisions at the Police Authority she was also exposed by an independent inquiry that investigated her and former Leader of Southampton Council, for having told whoppers to the press and misleading Southampton Council. At least Richard Williams eventually did the decent thing, resigned, but Cllr. Rayment kept hanging on; obviously in NuLabour these days they only expell principled people like two councillors from Coxford Ward and harass hard working people like Alan Lloyd but they protect and respect likes of Cllr. Rayment.

By the way considering another person has posted a comment regarding some American business from which the PA bought the property at very high price, I find it amazing that despite advice of officers against wasting millions on that deal PA decided to deal with people like those. Which also begs the question could there be some other reasons that we the people do not know?
[quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Red1918[/bold] wrote: Looks like everyone has forgotten that this is another (very expensive)shambles overseen by Jaquie Rayment when she was Chair of the Police Authority. That is, before she moved on to creating gridlock on Southampton's roads. Seems the more stunningly incompetent you are the easier it is to move on and create mayhem elsewhere.[/p][/quote]Well put Red.[/p][/quote]Agree with George H that Red1981 has very good memory and guts to remind people the truth about NuLabour's favourite mess maker Cllr Jacqui Rayment. Only hope Red1918 will not come across some fanatical thugs belonging to Miliband's mob in some dark side street, and if he does they do not recognise him/her. Costly decision to public purse, buying unsuitable for the purpose over priced property, by the Police Authority under the Chairmanship of Cllr. Rayment was not the only almighty blunder. Perhaps somebody with better memory than this old man or Cllr. Rayment herself will correct me if I am wrong, was she also not involved in opening her big cake hole to certain section of the media and gifting hacks with confidential information? Apart from Himalyan proportions bad decisions at the Police Authority she was also exposed by an independent inquiry that investigated her and former Leader of Southampton Council, for having told whoppers to the press and misleading Southampton Council. At least Richard Williams eventually did the decent thing, resigned, but Cllr. Rayment kept hanging on; obviously in NuLabour these days they only expell principled people like two councillors from Coxford Ward and harass hard working people like Alan Lloyd but they protect and respect likes of Cllr. Rayment. By the way considering another person has posted a comment regarding some American business from which the PA bought the property at very high price, I find it amazing that despite advice of officers against wasting millions on that deal PA decided to deal with people like those. Which also begs the question could there be some other reasons that we the people do not know? Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 1

3:40am Sat 25 Jan 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Linesman wrote:
Red1918 wrote:
Looks like everyone has forgotten that this is another (very expensive)shambles overseen by Jaquie Rayment when she was Chair of the Police Authority. That is, before she moved on to creating gridlock on Southampton's roads. Seems the more stunningly incompetent you are the easier it is to move on and create mayhem elsewhere.
She was Chairperson of the Police Authority.

The Chairman of any committee rarely has a vote, only when the committee they are chairing has reached deadlock, and then they have the casting vote.

In this case, did Jaqui Rayment have the casting vote?

I think that if you check it out, she did not.

While you are checking that out, perhaps you would care to check out how many members there were on that committee, and which political party they belonged to.
Dear Linesman, I admire your loyalty to NuLabour and ability to convince even bald headed old man like me to get hair cut and buy combs!

My memory may be becoming victim of old age, as all the old age pensioners became victims of your last NuLabour government when politically dodgy Denham and co insulted them with 75p per week pay rise, but many MPs were claiming lots of pounds for their cup of coffee and some sandwich. BUT I think few months ago the same excuses were also made for making Cllr. Jacqui Rayment appear blameless/ good.

I remember having explained the standing orders and procedures of Police Authority meeting, because I had known those as former member of the Police Authority.

Because I respect you for your reasonably progressive and well informed views, I am disappointed that you have started playing very old worn out gramophone once again.

Chairman of the Policec Authority enjoyed right to vote just like all other members, During my time Tory Chairs often exercised that vote. I was clearly advised by the Clerk of Authority that in case of tied vote the Chair also had the right to exercise casting vote. But during my nearly 13 years on PA that situation never arose.

Considering your desire to blame Tories for everything (which I may not mind!!!) your line of attack in blame game is that the PA had majority of Tories on it. But your argument is flawed:

For a hard line Tories dominated body to keep on electing a NuLabour councillor as its Chair to me only proves that she could not have been a socialist.

You should also remember that when last time you and your NuLabourite colleagues were busy inventing lame excuses for Cllr. Rayment the same time she was quoted in Daily Echo as still supporting the decision of PA to buy unfit for the purpose property against the advice of experts/officers.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Red1918[/bold] wrote: Looks like everyone has forgotten that this is another (very expensive)shambles overseen by Jaquie Rayment when she was Chair of the Police Authority. That is, before she moved on to creating gridlock on Southampton's roads. Seems the more stunningly incompetent you are the easier it is to move on and create mayhem elsewhere.[/p][/quote]She was Chairperson of the Police Authority. The Chairman of any committee rarely has a vote, only when the committee they are chairing has reached deadlock, and then they have the casting vote. In this case, did Jaqui Rayment have the casting vote? I think that if you check it out, she did not. While you are checking that out, perhaps you would care to check out how many members there were on that committee, and which political party they belonged to.[/p][/quote]Dear Linesman, I admire your loyalty to NuLabour and ability to convince even bald headed old man like me to get hair cut and buy combs! My memory may be becoming victim of old age, as all the old age pensioners became victims of your last NuLabour government when politically dodgy Denham and co insulted them with 75p per week pay rise, but many MPs were claiming lots of pounds for their cup of coffee and some sandwich. BUT I think few months ago the same excuses were also made for making Cllr. Jacqui Rayment appear blameless/ good. I remember having explained the standing orders and procedures of Police Authority meeting, because I had known those as former member of the Police Authority. Because I respect you for your reasonably progressive and well informed views, I am disappointed that you have started playing very old worn out gramophone once again. Chairman of the Policec Authority enjoyed right to vote just like all other members, During my time Tory Chairs often exercised that vote. I was clearly advised by the Clerk of Authority that in case of tied vote the Chair also had the right to exercise casting vote. But during my nearly 13 years on PA that situation never arose. Considering your desire to blame Tories for everything (which I may not mind!!!) your line of attack in blame game is that the PA had majority of Tories on it. But your argument is flawed: For a hard line Tories dominated body to keep on electing a NuLabour councillor as its Chair to me only proves that she could not have been a socialist. You should also remember that when last time you and your NuLabourite colleagues were busy inventing lame excuses for Cllr. Rayment the same time she was quoted in Daily Echo as still supporting the decision of PA to buy unfit for the purpose property against the advice of experts/officers. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 0

3:54am Sat 25 Jan 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Red1918 wrote:
Looks like everyone has forgotten that this is another (very expensive)shambles overseen by Jaquie Rayment when she was Chair of the Police Authority. That is, before she moved on to creating gridlock on Southampton's roads. Seems the more stunningly incompetent you are the easier it is to move on and create mayhem elsewhere.
She was Chairperson of the Police Authority.

The Chairman of any committee rarely has a vote, only when the committee they are chairing has reached deadlock, and then they have the casting vote.

In this case, did Jaqui Rayment have the casting vote?

I think that if you check it out, she did not.

While you are checking that out, perhaps you would care to check out how many members there were on that committee, and which political party they belonged to.
Think you find she did not need to vote, But I would not trust Labour any more than I would trust Tory,s Lines
Peter few months ago this waste of money by the Police Authority was in the news on the same website. I remember Cllr. Jacqui Rayment was quoted as defending the decision.

As a socialists we must give credit even to opponents and even NuLabourites like Cllr. Rayment.

Unlike her supporters trying to spin the facts for blaming other unofficial half of their party, which is known as Tories, Cllr. Rayment was honest and brave enough to defend spending money on Alpha Park.

So I fail to understand why linesman still keep on making excuses. May be he enjoys snookering himself!!!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Red1918[/bold] wrote: Looks like everyone has forgotten that this is another (very expensive)shambles overseen by Jaquie Rayment when she was Chair of the Police Authority. That is, before she moved on to creating gridlock on Southampton's roads. Seems the more stunningly incompetent you are the easier it is to move on and create mayhem elsewhere.[/p][/quote]She was Chairperson of the Police Authority. The Chairman of any committee rarely has a vote, only when the committee they are chairing has reached deadlock, and then they have the casting vote. In this case, did Jaqui Rayment have the casting vote? I think that if you check it out, she did not. While you are checking that out, perhaps you would care to check out how many members there were on that committee, and which political party they belonged to.[/p][/quote]Think you find she did not need to vote, But I would not trust Labour any more than I would trust Tory,s Lines[/p][/quote]Peter few months ago this waste of money by the Police Authority was in the news on the same website. I remember Cllr. Jacqui Rayment was quoted as defending the decision. As a socialists we must give credit even to opponents and even NuLabourites like Cllr. Rayment. Unlike her supporters trying to spin the facts for blaming other unofficial half of their party, which is known as Tories, Cllr. Rayment was honest and brave enough to defend spending money on Alpha Park. So I fail to understand why linesman still keep on making excuses. May be he enjoys snookering himself!!! Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 1

8:29am Sat 25 Jan 14

thesouth says...

Why isn't he revealing why it sold for? When the sale goes through the sold price will be in the public domain for us all to see anyway
Why isn't he revealing why it sold for? When the sale goes through the sold price will be in the public domain for us all to see anyway thesouth
  • Score: 0

9:35am Sat 25 Jan 14

robj1969 says...

Can't the Daily Echo put in a freedom of information request and then report back?
Can't the Daily Echo put in a freedom of information request and then report back? robj1969
  • Score: 1

10:17am Sat 25 Jan 14

good-gosh says...

Ah, the perfect political trap. They are wrong if they keep it unused and wrong if they sell at current low value. So, how to avoid the trap? Answer - don’t tell anyone anything. Cute, eh.
Ah, the perfect political trap. They are wrong if they keep it unused and wrong if they sell at current low value. So, how to avoid the trap? Answer - don’t tell anyone anything. Cute, eh. good-gosh
  • Score: 1

10:53am Sat 25 Jan 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Red1918 wrote:
Looks like everyone has forgotten that this is another (very expensive)shambles overseen by Jaquie Rayment when she was Chair of the Police Authority. That is, before she moved on to creating gridlock on Southampton's roads. Seems the more stunningly incompetent you are the easier it is to move on and create mayhem elsewhere.
She was Chairperson of the Police Authority.

The Chairman of any committee rarely has a vote, only when the committee they are chairing has reached deadlock, and then they have the casting vote.

In this case, did Jaqui Rayment have the casting vote?

I think that if you check it out, she did not.

While you are checking that out, perhaps you would care to check out how many members there were on that committee, and which political party they belonged to.
Think you find she did not need to vote, But I would not trust Labour any more than I would trust Tory,s Lines
Makes sense, after all your party are responsible for diverting votes to the Labour party on a regular basis.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Red1918[/bold] wrote: Looks like everyone has forgotten that this is another (very expensive)shambles overseen by Jaquie Rayment when she was Chair of the Police Authority. That is, before she moved on to creating gridlock on Southampton's roads. Seems the more stunningly incompetent you are the easier it is to move on and create mayhem elsewhere.[/p][/quote]She was Chairperson of the Police Authority. The Chairman of any committee rarely has a vote, only when the committee they are chairing has reached deadlock, and then they have the casting vote. In this case, did Jaqui Rayment have the casting vote? I think that if you check it out, she did not. While you are checking that out, perhaps you would care to check out how many members there were on that committee, and which political party they belonged to.[/p][/quote]Think you find she did not need to vote, But I would not trust Labour any more than I would trust Tory,s Lines[/p][/quote]Makes sense, after all your party are responsible for diverting votes to the Labour party on a regular basis. Shoong
  • Score: 1

11:54am Sat 25 Jan 14

southy says...

good-gosh wrote:
Ah, the perfect political trap. They are wrong if they keep it unused and wrong if they sell at current low value. So, how to avoid the trap? Answer - don’t tell anyone anything. Cute, eh.
This is what happens when you run a close book
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Ah, the perfect political trap. They are wrong if they keep it unused and wrong if they sell at current low value. So, how to avoid the trap? Answer - don’t tell anyone anything. Cute, eh.[/p][/quote]This is what happens when you run a close book southy
  • Score: -3

12:03pm Sat 25 Jan 14

southy says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Red1918 wrote:
Looks like everyone has forgotten that this is another (very expensive)shambles overseen by Jaquie Rayment when she was Chair of the Police Authority. That is, before she moved on to creating gridlock on Southampton's roads. Seems the more stunningly incompetent you are the easier it is to move on and create mayhem elsewhere.
She was Chairperson of the Police Authority.

The Chairman of any committee rarely has a vote, only when the committee they are chairing has reached deadlock, and then they have the casting vote.

In this case, did Jaqui Rayment have the casting vote?

I think that if you check it out, she did not.

While you are checking that out, perhaps you would care to check out how many members there were on that committee, and which political party they belonged to.
Think you find she did not need to vote, But I would not trust Labour any more than I would trust Tory,s Lines
Peter few months ago this waste of money by the Police Authority was in the news on the same website. I remember Cllr. Jacqui Rayment was quoted as defending the decision.

As a socialists we must give credit even to opponents and even NuLabourites like Cllr. Rayment.

Unlike her supporters trying to spin the facts for blaming other unofficial half of their party, which is known as Tories, Cllr. Rayment was honest and brave enough to defend spending money on Alpha Park.

So I fail to understand why linesman still keep on making excuses. May be he enjoys snookering himself!!!
Maybe he do, I tell ya when i see you next, But as for Rayment she was saved from having to vote, but she would of had a say in the matter just before the vote was taking and would of pointed in a direction that she would of voted if her vote was needed, all would depend on if she was long winded or not
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Red1918[/bold] wrote: Looks like everyone has forgotten that this is another (very expensive)shambles overseen by Jaquie Rayment when she was Chair of the Police Authority. That is, before she moved on to creating gridlock on Southampton's roads. Seems the more stunningly incompetent you are the easier it is to move on and create mayhem elsewhere.[/p][/quote]She was Chairperson of the Police Authority. The Chairman of any committee rarely has a vote, only when the committee they are chairing has reached deadlock, and then they have the casting vote. In this case, did Jaqui Rayment have the casting vote? I think that if you check it out, she did not. While you are checking that out, perhaps you would care to check out how many members there were on that committee, and which political party they belonged to.[/p][/quote]Think you find she did not need to vote, But I would not trust Labour any more than I would trust Tory,s Lines[/p][/quote]Peter few months ago this waste of money by the Police Authority was in the news on the same website. I remember Cllr. Jacqui Rayment was quoted as defending the decision. As a socialists we must give credit even to opponents and even NuLabourites like Cllr. Rayment. Unlike her supporters trying to spin the facts for blaming other unofficial half of their party, which is known as Tories, Cllr. Rayment was honest and brave enough to defend spending money on Alpha Park. So I fail to understand why linesman still keep on making excuses. May be he enjoys snookering himself!!![/p][/quote]Maybe he do, I tell ya when i see you next, But as for Rayment she was saved from having to vote, but she would of had a say in the matter just before the vote was taking and would of pointed in a direction that she would of voted if her vote was needed, all would depend on if she was long winded or not southy
  • Score: -1

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