3,600 jobs to be created by multi-million pound scheme at Adanac park on edge of Southampton

3,600 jobs to be created by multi-million pound scheme

Adanac Park

Adanac Park

Adanac Park

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A multi-million pound vision for a huge new development that could create 3,600 jobs in Hampshire has been revealed today.

Disused land on the outskirts of Southampton could become a thriving complex featuring offices, warehouses, a care home and houses.

The Daily Echo can today exclusively reveal the starting gun has been fired on the bold plans to bring dozens of new businesses and thousands of jobs to the region.

Plans handed in to both Test Valley Borough Council and Southampton City Council are the first steps towards making those ambitious plans a reality.

The 78 acre site at Adanac Park is owned by the Barker-Mill Estates, one of Hampshire's biggest landowners.

It lies next to the M271, and was originally earmarked as the potential site of an international company's headquarters.

Part of the site is already occupied by the Ordnance Survey's £40million headquarters, completed in 2010, and a Holiday Inn.

The new plans for the site were revealed by the Daily Echo last year, and a series of public exhibitions were held which were attended by hundreds of residents from neighbouring areas.

But now we can reveal what the scheme may actually look like.

The new master plan put forward for the site features a wide range of different types of employment space, including offices, industrial units and storage operations.

It features more than 47,000sq m of business space spread over four plots of land, including a redeveloped Yew Tree Farm building.

There would be 31,700sq m of storage and distribution space, including one enormous, 27,600sq m storage and distribution centre directly to the north of the Ordnance Survey headquarters.

The plan also contains two separate housing plots - one would be is at the far north of the site off Nursling Street which would have 26 homes and an 80-bed care home.

And the second is around Bargain Farm, which would feature 23 homes. Adjacent to that spot there would be a restaurant.

Barker-Mill Estates estimates that, if the master plan comes to fruition, about 3,600 new jobs will be created.

Although full planning permission would be required before any of the new buildings are built, gaining outline permission will make the site far more attractive to businesses interested in setting up there.

Despite planning permission being granted for a large company headquarters in 2008 and 2009, Barker-Mill Estates was unable to find a firm to occupy the entire site.

But Barker-Mill Estates says there has already been “a lot of interest” from a variety of businesses in the new proposals, who have been attracted by the less restrictive nature of the master plan.

Barker-Mill Estates trustee Tim Jobling said: “This is an exciting opportunity for the area that focuses on enormous amounts of inward investment and thousands of jobs - both things that south Hampshire is crying out for.

“We all know the UK needs further kick-starting to break out of slow growth. The vibrant proposition offered by the Adanac Park master plan is the push that might do the same for our local region.”

The councils' planning committees are due to make decisions on the applications by May 16 Panel on reaction ONE of the main stumbling blocks for the scheme could be the reaction of councillors at Test Valley, with the authority's leader already expressing concern about the amount of houses in the proposed development.

The Conservative-run authority's leader, Ian Carr, said: “I would welcome a development for employment and a boost for jobs in the borough, but we have plenty of houses being built elsewhere and we don't see that there should be housing on a site which has been designed for employment.

“This is a very important site and it is designed for good quality development and headquarters buildings, or a similar development.”

Bosses at Southampton City Council have already lent their backing to the plans.

The Labour-run council's leader, Simon Letts, said: “It's important that there is a sufficient supply of land in the area that can support economic growth.

“Barker-Mill Estates is working to provide this, with a flexible approach to the development at Adanac Park, bringing job opportunities to the area whilst also delivering much-needed housing in the region.”

But they have met with a more cautious reaction from the leader of Test Valley Borough Council.

And Romsey and Southampton North's Conservative MP Caroline Nokes said: “Adanac Park has long been designated for business use, and whilst we have the prestigious Ordnance Survey site, we also need the rest of the scheme to be completed.

“It is important that the wider area can attract the right sort of business, high end jobs and that the Solent Region benefits from the improvement in the economy.”

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7:09am Thu 30 Jan 14

loosehead says...

not knocking the future prospects of jobs but why didn't Barker Mills offer this site to Lidls for their new warehouse?
it's okay saying 3,600 jobs but are these confirmed jobs or are these units going to sit empty?
will all traffic go straight into this site from the motorway or will the existing road structures take the extra volume?
I hope this amount of jobs are created for the good of the area!
not knocking the future prospects of jobs but why didn't Barker Mills offer this site to Lidls for their new warehouse? it's okay saying 3,600 jobs but are these confirmed jobs or are these units going to sit empty? will all traffic go straight into this site from the motorway or will the existing road structures take the extra volume? I hope this amount of jobs are created for the good of the area! loosehead
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7:25am Thu 30 Jan 14

wwozzer says...

What about all the existing commercial and office space that's been empty for years all over southampton? Why build more when there is clearly not enough demand for what already exists?
What about all the existing commercial and office space that's been empty for years all over southampton? Why build more when there is clearly not enough demand for what already exists? wwozzer
  • Score: 19

8:20am Thu 30 Jan 14

Brite Spark says...

It used to be miles of green fields there when I was a kid, I remember the M271 being constructed, watching the huge JCB doing their stuff, it was fascinating. Not too much H and S those days me and my mates would watch from a safe distance on the edge of Test Playing Fields, I expect they'll all be swallowed up soon (the fields, not my old mates).
It used to be miles of green fields there when I was a kid, I remember the M271 being constructed, watching the huge JCB doing their stuff, it was fascinating. Not too much H and S those days me and my mates would watch from a safe distance on the edge of Test Playing Fields, I expect they'll all be swallowed up soon (the fields, not my old mates). Brite Spark
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8:26am Thu 30 Jan 14

Zeo says...

Why not reopen Nursling Railway Station - Dairy Lane goes right from the former station right up to the M271, build a footbridge going across the motorway and your at your new job.
Why not reopen Nursling Railway Station - Dairy Lane goes right from the former station right up to the M271, build a footbridge going across the motorway and your at your new job. Zeo
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8:41am Thu 30 Jan 14

elvisimo says...

wwozzer wrote:
What about all the existing commercial and office space that's been empty for years all over southampton? Why build more when there is clearly not enough demand for what already exists?
most of it is obsolete. does not suit the requirements of current occupiers hence reason lots gets either redeveloped or converted to residential/ hotel use. The upper end of the market is actually holding up well.
[quote][p][bold]wwozzer[/bold] wrote: What about all the existing commercial and office space that's been empty for years all over southampton? Why build more when there is clearly not enough demand for what already exists?[/p][/quote]most of it is obsolete. does not suit the requirements of current occupiers hence reason lots gets either redeveloped or converted to residential/ hotel use. The upper end of the market is actually holding up well. elvisimo
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9:12am Thu 30 Jan 14

sotonboy84 says...

If there's such a shortage of houses, why not use areas like this just for housing and not offices and warehouses to save even more of our beautiful countryside and villages from being overdeveloped and destroyed?
If there's such a shortage of houses, why not use areas like this just for housing and not offices and warehouses to save even more of our beautiful countryside and villages from being overdeveloped and destroyed? sotonboy84
  • Score: 4

9:44am Thu 30 Jan 14

alan.of.eastleigh says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
If there's such a shortage of houses, why not use areas like this just for housing and not offices and warehouses to save even more of our beautiful countryside and villages from being overdeveloped and destroyed?
No point in building houses unless there are jobs to go with them.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: If there's such a shortage of houses, why not use areas like this just for housing and not offices and warehouses to save even more of our beautiful countryside and villages from being overdeveloped and destroyed?[/p][/quote]No point in building houses unless there are jobs to go with them. alan.of.eastleigh
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10:03am Thu 30 Jan 14

sotonboy84 says...

alan.of.eastleigh wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
If there's such a shortage of houses, why not use areas like this just for housing and not offices and warehouses to save even more of our beautiful countryside and villages from being overdeveloped and destroyed?
No point in building houses unless there are jobs to go with them.
The jobs would be in building the houses. Housing developments on the edge of big cities don't have to contain their own employers to be of any benefit or otherwise you're suggesting that these houses have to be for the sole use of employees in the propsed offices and warehouses. As cities grow (such as Southampton), housing needs grow with it.
[quote][p][bold]alan.of.eastleigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: If there's such a shortage of houses, why not use areas like this just for housing and not offices and warehouses to save even more of our beautiful countryside and villages from being overdeveloped and destroyed?[/p][/quote]No point in building houses unless there are jobs to go with them.[/p][/quote]The jobs would be in building the houses. Housing developments on the edge of big cities don't have to contain their own employers to be of any benefit or otherwise you're suggesting that these houses have to be for the sole use of employees in the propsed offices and warehouses. As cities grow (such as Southampton), housing needs grow with it. sotonboy84
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10:04am Thu 30 Jan 14

hulla baloo says...

alan.of.eastleigh wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
If there's such a shortage of houses, why not use areas like this just for housing and not offices and warehouses to save even more of our beautiful countryside and villages from being overdeveloped and destroyed?
No point in building houses unless there are jobs to go with them.
But houses are being built all over, and into green belt areas.
Besides, isn't house building also creating jobs? Not just or builders, but the associated trades, suppliers etc.
[quote][p][bold]alan.of.eastleigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: If there's such a shortage of houses, why not use areas like this just for housing and not offices and warehouses to save even more of our beautiful countryside and villages from being overdeveloped and destroyed?[/p][/quote]No point in building houses unless there are jobs to go with them.[/p][/quote]But houses are being built all over, and into green belt areas. Besides, isn't house building also creating jobs? Not just or builders, but the associated trades, suppliers etc. hulla baloo
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10:39am Thu 30 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
If there's such a shortage of houses, why not use areas like this just for housing and not offices and warehouses to save even more of our beautiful countryside and villages from being overdeveloped and destroyed?
300 homes planned for Rownhams Lane = Uproar from local councils.
.
350 homes proposed by Barker Mills in Nursling = Uproar from local council and the "protection" of the "Green Gap"
.
Looks like they are trying .... but too many Nimby's
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: If there's such a shortage of houses, why not use areas like this just for housing and not offices and warehouses to save even more of our beautiful countryside and villages from being overdeveloped and destroyed?[/p][/quote]300 homes planned for Rownhams Lane = Uproar from local councils. . 350 homes proposed by Barker Mills in Nursling = Uproar from local council and the "protection" of the "Green Gap" . Looks like they are trying .... but too many Nimby's Lone Ranger.
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10:59am Thu 30 Jan 14

sotonboy84 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
If there's such a shortage of houses, why not use areas like this just for housing and not offices and warehouses to save even more of our beautiful countryside and villages from being overdeveloped and destroyed?
300 homes planned for Rownhams Lane = Uproar from local councils.
.
350 homes proposed by Barker Mills in Nursling = Uproar from local council and the "protection" of the "Green Gap"
.
Looks like they are trying .... but too many Nimby's
Quite often though, housing developments are driven by developers profits and the need for housing and residents concerns comes second. There should be more emphasis on housing needs and if a site is earmarked for development and meets planning guidelines and is environmentally considerate, then these developments should be put out to tender to all developers with residents and local planners having more control and not the developers.

Currently, developers look for sites, do their homework as to what would be profitable for them then make sure they tick all the planning boxes which doesn't always mean it's what's the most suitable or most needed.

There's a proposed development in Stockbridge by David Wilson Homes for a small number of houses. They orginally planned to build many hundreds of homes on a field but this was rejected due to access. The new proposed site is right next to the rejected site and would open up access even though they maintain they don't intend to build any more homes. The same David Wilson Homes also instructed a third party company to survey the area and ask residents about local housing needs under the pretence that they were an independent company accessing the housing needs for the local area but in fact had been commissioned by David Wilson Homes, but all this was omitted from the literature. They then used these reuslts in their argument. Also, a councillor who sits on the local planning committee has a conflict of interest as his family own the land that they propse to build on!

Housing needs highlighted in areas are also based on assumption as obviously we can't see into the future but this makes these needs variable. There is no use publishing predicted figures on what might be and then using these figures as a proven need for a certain number of houses.

The point I'm making is there should be far more transparency with developers and building on countryside and in villages should be tightly controlled. It's not about Nimbyism but protecting our countryside and villages.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: If there's such a shortage of houses, why not use areas like this just for housing and not offices and warehouses to save even more of our beautiful countryside and villages from being overdeveloped and destroyed?[/p][/quote]300 homes planned for Rownhams Lane = Uproar from local councils. . 350 homes proposed by Barker Mills in Nursling = Uproar from local council and the "protection" of the "Green Gap" . Looks like they are trying .... but too many Nimby's[/p][/quote]Quite often though, housing developments are driven by developers profits and the need for housing and residents concerns comes second. There should be more emphasis on housing needs and if a site is earmarked for development and meets planning guidelines and is environmentally considerate, then these developments should be put out to tender to all developers with residents and local planners having more control and not the developers. Currently, developers look for sites, do their homework as to what would be profitable for them then make sure they tick all the planning boxes which doesn't always mean it's what's the most suitable or most needed. There's a proposed development in Stockbridge by David Wilson Homes for a small number of houses. They orginally planned to build many hundreds of homes on a field but this was rejected due to access. The new proposed site is right next to the rejected site and would open up access even though they maintain they don't intend to build any more homes. The same David Wilson Homes also instructed a third party company to survey the area and ask residents about local housing needs under the pretence that they were an independent company accessing the housing needs for the local area but in fact had been commissioned by David Wilson Homes, but all this was omitted from the literature. They then used these reuslts in their argument. Also, a councillor who sits on the local planning committee has a conflict of interest as his family own the land that they propse to build on! Housing needs highlighted in areas are also based on assumption as obviously we can't see into the future but this makes these needs variable. There is no use publishing predicted figures on what might be and then using these figures as a proven need for a certain number of houses. The point I'm making is there should be far more transparency with developers and building on countryside and in villages should be tightly controlled. It's not about Nimbyism but protecting our countryside and villages. sotonboy84
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11:33am Thu 30 Jan 14

miltonarcher says...

This is good news for the area. However, I see the glass half empty brigade are out in force.
This is good news for the area. However, I see the glass half empty brigade are out in force. miltonarcher
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11:48am Thu 30 Jan 14

gilbertratchet says...

miltonarcher wrote:
This is good news for the area. However, I see the glass half empty brigade are out in force.
These idiots would still complain if the planet won some intergalactic lottery and none of us ever had to work again, but instead could live a life of luxury, with our every desire fulfilled for us.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: This is good news for the area. However, I see the glass half empty brigade are out in force.[/p][/quote]These idiots would still complain if the planet won some intergalactic lottery and none of us ever had to work again, but instead could live a life of luxury, with our every desire fulfilled for us. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 0

12:01pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Danae says...

Perhaps, just now, we should permit nothing to be built in South Hampshire.

No homes, no offices, no retail, no warehousing, factories nor cultural facilities.

The object would be to force the issue that we have to put development where there is some capacity in the transport system and indeed the housing markets.

If we continue to do what we are doing now, we shall continue to get the same results.
Perhaps, just now, we should permit nothing to be built in South Hampshire. No homes, no offices, no retail, no warehousing, factories nor cultural facilities. The object would be to force the issue that we have to put development where there is some capacity in the transport system and indeed the housing markets. If we continue to do what we are doing now, we shall continue to get the same results. Danae
  • Score: 3

12:02pm Thu 30 Jan 14

loosehead says...

okay look at where Barker Mills is develop[ing. Farmland at the top of Redbridge Lane take away 5Acres & there's no longer a gap between Nursling & southampton so complaints were made.
Bottom of Redbridge Rd /Lower Brownhill rd Where yet again farmland is being lost & the first development they said the area needed more homes yet are knocking down 6 homes in the second development for a Lidl warehouse now they promised to employ 400 local people the proof will be in the pudding.
Now here's a massive site that could quite easily house the Lidl warehouse plus more with no houses close to it so why didn't they offer it to Lidl's?
Look I was all for Lidl's warehouse & the jobs it will create but I didn't realise Barker Mills owned Adanac Park.
I would love to see the size of job creation they promise but just ask is this going to happen what companies are already signed up to this development or will it just be a ghost town?
okay look at where Barker Mills is develop[ing. Farmland at the top of Redbridge Lane take away 5Acres & there's no longer a gap between Nursling & southampton so complaints were made. Bottom of Redbridge Rd /Lower Brownhill rd Where yet again farmland is being lost & the first development they said the area needed more homes yet are knocking down 6 homes in the second development for a Lidl warehouse now they promised to employ 400 local people the proof will be in the pudding. Now here's a massive site that could quite easily house the Lidl warehouse plus more with no houses close to it so why didn't they offer it to Lidl's? Look I was all for Lidl's warehouse & the jobs it will create but I didn't realise Barker Mills owned Adanac Park. I would love to see the size of job creation they promise but just ask is this going to happen what companies are already signed up to this development or will it just be a ghost town? loosehead
  • Score: -1

12:42pm Thu 30 Jan 14

robich says...

"IF the master plan comes to fruition, about 3,600 new jobs will be created" - possibly!
"IF the master plan comes to fruition, [and IF firms canbe persuaded to buy and set up there] about 3,600 new jobs will be created" - possibly! robich
  • Score: -1

3:02pm Thu 30 Jan 14

03alpe01 says...

Wasn't this all announced months ago?
Wasn't this all announced months ago? 03alpe01
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3:33pm Thu 30 Jan 14

loosehead says...

so who can't be bothered to reply to my posts then?
so who can't be bothered to reply to my posts then? loosehead
  • Score: -3

3:45pm Thu 30 Jan 14

gilbertratchet says...

loosehead wrote:
so who can't be bothered to reply to my posts then?
Me.

Oh, dammit.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: so who can't be bothered to reply to my posts then?[/p][/quote]Me. Oh, dammit. gilbertratchet
  • Score: -1

3:53pm Thu 30 Jan 14

loosehead says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
loosehead wrote:
so who can't be bothered to reply to my posts then?
Me.

Oh, dammit.
why not say why you think my post was wrong & needs a thumbs down? as you must have read I was all for job creation but really I think Barker Mills isn't being a good neighbour to any of us.
I went to the display of the housing development in Redbridge lane at Nursling village hall with my neighbour & a rep from Barker Mills told us there was a dire need for housing in the area hence this development no mention of paying off a divorce settlement with the profits?
So when they said they were knocking down 6 houses to build Lidl's warehouse this seemed to be contradictory but 400 local jobs help to local Rugby & other sports clubs okay support it but to then find out they own a derelict Adanac park where Lidl could have entry straight out to the motorway I questioned why didn't they (Barker Mills) offer this site to Lidl's? so why a thumbs down tell me why you didn't like my post?
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: so who can't be bothered to reply to my posts then?[/p][/quote]Me. Oh, dammit.[/p][/quote]why not say why you think my post was wrong & needs a thumbs down? as you must have read I was all for job creation but really I think Barker Mills isn't being a good neighbour to any of us. I went to the display of the housing development in Redbridge lane at Nursling village hall with my neighbour & a rep from Barker Mills told us there was a dire need for housing in the area hence this development no mention of paying off a divorce settlement with the profits? So when they said they were knocking down 6 houses to build Lidl's warehouse this seemed to be contradictory but 400 local jobs help to local Rugby & other sports clubs okay support it but to then find out they own a derelict Adanac park where Lidl could have entry straight out to the motorway I questioned why didn't they (Barker Mills) offer this site to Lidl's? so why a thumbs down tell me why you didn't like my post? loosehead
  • Score: -1

4:08pm Thu 30 Jan 14

befriendly says...

loosehead wrote:
okay look at where Barker Mills is develop
Would love to argue with you loosehead, but can't find anything wrong in your post other than to say the whole strip of land down M271 is not viably economic to farming. Not big enough to make a profit when you factor in having to constantly move heavy equipment in and out and I think there'd be complaints about herds of cattle on the roads when you moved them. Land only suitable for local people to graze their horses on. An ice rink, laughter and moans, would provide a hundred jobs so you could work off the excesses from McFats etc that could also provide more jobs. Any development with that number of jobs is bound to have one or two.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: okay look at where Barker Mills is develop[ing. Farmland at the top of Redbridge Lane take away 5Acres & there's no longer a gap between Nursling & southampton so complaints were made. Bottom of Redbridge Rd /Lower Brownhill rd Where yet again farmland is being lost & the first development they said the area needed more homes yet are knocking down 6 homes in the second development for a Lidl warehouse now they promised to employ 400 local people the proof will be in the pudding. Now here's a massive site that could quite easily house the Lidl warehouse plus more with no houses close to it so why didn't they offer it to Lidl's? Look I was all for Lidl's warehouse & the jobs it will create but I didn't realise Barker Mills owned Adanac Park. I would love to see the size of job creation they promise but just ask is this going to happen what companies are already signed up to this development or will it just be a ghost town?[/p][/quote]Would love to argue with you loosehead, but can't find anything wrong in your post other than to say the whole strip of land down M271 is not viably economic to farming. Not big enough to make a profit when you factor in having to constantly move heavy equipment in and out and I think there'd be complaints about herds of cattle on the roads when you moved them. Land only suitable for local people to graze their horses on. An ice rink, laughter and moans, would provide a hundred jobs so you could work off the excesses from McFats etc that could also provide more jobs. Any development with that number of jobs is bound to have one or two. befriendly
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4:43pm Thu 30 Jan 14

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
not knocking the future prospects of jobs but why didn't Barker Mills offer this site to Lidls for their new warehouse?
it's okay saying 3,600 jobs but are these confirmed jobs or are these units going to sit empty?
will all traffic go straight into this site from the motorway or will the existing road structures take the extra volume?
I hope this amount of jobs are created for the good of the area!
Most of these jobs will be in construction contracts once all is built then more likely be around 200 jobs at zero contract hours
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: not knocking the future prospects of jobs but why didn't Barker Mills offer this site to Lidls for their new warehouse? it's okay saying 3,600 jobs but are these confirmed jobs or are these units going to sit empty? will all traffic go straight into this site from the motorway or will the existing road structures take the extra volume? I hope this amount of jobs are created for the good of the area![/p][/quote]Most of these jobs will be in construction contracts once all is built then more likely be around 200 jobs at zero contract hours southy
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6:18pm Thu 30 Jan 14

loosehead says...

befriendly wrote:
loosehead wrote:
okay look at where Barker Mills is develop
Would love to argue with you loosehead, but can't find anything wrong in your post other than to say the whole strip of land down M271 is not viably economic to farming. Not big enough to make a profit when you factor in having to constantly move heavy equipment in and out and I think there'd be complaints about herds of cattle on the roads when you moved them. Land only suitable for local people to graze their horses on. An ice rink, laughter and moans, would provide a hundred jobs so you could work off the excesses from McFats etc that could also provide more jobs. Any development with that number of jobs is bound to have one or two.
the areas I was talking about are in Redbridge Lane & I agree with you about not near the motorway
[quote][p][bold]befriendly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: okay look at where Barker Mills is develop[ing. Farmland at the top of Redbridge Lane take away 5Acres & there's no longer a gap between Nursling & southampton so complaints were made. Bottom of Redbridge Rd /Lower Brownhill rd Where yet again farmland is being lost & the first development they said the area needed more homes yet are knocking down 6 homes in the second development for a Lidl warehouse now they promised to employ 400 local people the proof will be in the pudding. Now here's a massive site that could quite easily house the Lidl warehouse plus more with no houses close to it so why didn't they offer it to Lidl's? Look I was all for Lidl's warehouse & the jobs it will create but I didn't realise Barker Mills owned Adanac Park. I would love to see the size of job creation they promise but just ask is this going to happen what companies are already signed up to this development or will it just be a ghost town?[/p][/quote]Would love to argue with you loosehead, but can't find anything wrong in your post other than to say the whole strip of land down M271 is not viably economic to farming. Not big enough to make a profit when you factor in having to constantly move heavy equipment in and out and I think there'd be complaints about herds of cattle on the roads when you moved them. Land only suitable for local people to graze their horses on. An ice rink, laughter and moans, would provide a hundred jobs so you could work off the excesses from McFats etc that could also provide more jobs. Any development with that number of jobs is bound to have one or two.[/p][/quote]the areas I was talking about are in Redbridge Lane & I agree with you about not near the motorway loosehead
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6:46pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
not knocking the future prospects of jobs but why didn't Barker Mills offer this site to Lidls for their new warehouse?
it's okay saying 3,600 jobs but are these confirmed jobs or are these units going to sit empty?
will all traffic go straight into this site from the motorway or will the existing road structures take the extra volume?
I hope this amount of jobs are created for the good of the area!
Most of these jobs will be in construction contracts once all is built then more likely be around 200 jobs at zero contract hours
How many jobs have you created?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: not knocking the future prospects of jobs but why didn't Barker Mills offer this site to Lidls for their new warehouse? it's okay saying 3,600 jobs but are these confirmed jobs or are these units going to sit empty? will all traffic go straight into this site from the motorway or will the existing road structures take the extra volume? I hope this amount of jobs are created for the good of the area![/p][/quote]Most of these jobs will be in construction contracts once all is built then more likely be around 200 jobs at zero contract hours[/p][/quote]How many jobs have you created? Torchie1
  • Score: 1

9:22pm Thu 30 Jan 14

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
not knocking the future prospects of jobs but why didn't Barker Mills offer this site to Lidls for their new warehouse?
it's okay saying 3,600 jobs but are these confirmed jobs or are these units going to sit empty?
will all traffic go straight into this site from the motorway or will the existing road structures take the extra volume?
I hope this amount of jobs are created for the good of the area!
Most of these jobs will be in construction contracts once all is built then more likely be around 200 jobs at zero contract hours
southy unless al the units are going to be run by robots then there will be far more than 200 jobs going if they fill the site with companies
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: not knocking the future prospects of jobs but why didn't Barker Mills offer this site to Lidls for their new warehouse? it's okay saying 3,600 jobs but are these confirmed jobs or are these units going to sit empty? will all traffic go straight into this site from the motorway or will the existing road structures take the extra volume? I hope this amount of jobs are created for the good of the area![/p][/quote]Most of these jobs will be in construction contracts once all is built then more likely be around 200 jobs at zero contract hours[/p][/quote]southy unless al the units are going to be run by robots then there will be far more than 200 jobs going if they fill the site with companies loosehead
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10:30pm Thu 30 Jan 14

miltonarcher says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
not knocking the future prospects of jobs but why didn't Barker Mills offer this site to Lidls for their new warehouse?
it's okay saying 3,600 jobs but are these confirmed jobs or are these units going to sit empty?
will all traffic go straight into this site from the motorway or will the existing road structures take the extra volume?
I hope this amount of jobs are created for the good of the area!
Most of these jobs will be in construction contracts once all is built then more likely be around 200 jobs at zero contract hours
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha how predictable. You can't stand all this good news can you, you snivelling little man!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: not knocking the future prospects of jobs but why didn't Barker Mills offer this site to Lidls for their new warehouse? it's okay saying 3,600 jobs but are these confirmed jobs or are these units going to sit empty? will all traffic go straight into this site from the motorway or will the existing road structures take the extra volume? I hope this amount of jobs are created for the good of the area![/p][/quote]Most of these jobs will be in construction contracts once all is built then more likely be around 200 jobs at zero contract hours[/p][/quote]Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha how predictable. You can't stand all this good news can you, you snivelling little man! miltonarcher
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1:21pm Fri 31 Jan 14

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
not knocking the future prospects of jobs but why didn't Barker Mills offer this site to Lidls for their new warehouse?
it's okay saying 3,600 jobs but are these confirmed jobs or are these units going to sit empty?
will all traffic go straight into this site from the motorway or will the existing road structures take the extra volume?
I hope this amount of jobs are created for the good of the area!
Most of these jobs will be in construction contracts once all is built then more likely be around 200 jobs at zero contract hours
southy unless al the units are going to be run by robots then there will be far more than 200 jobs going if they fill the site with companies
Unlikely loose now days business are run on a shoe string when it come to employing people keeping the business under staff and over work.
If you know any thing about construction then you realise this is where the bulk of the people will be employed on a short term contract, When I was working with Harbour and General in Millbrook treatment plant, building the new works, there was a over 1500 people employed in different parts of the building contracts, to do that contract from start to start up and hand over, only 6 people are employed to operate the new treatment plant.
People do not realise how many people are employed in the construction industry, like with this build how many planners, architect and surveyors been employed so far and this is before any ground work been done.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: not knocking the future prospects of jobs but why didn't Barker Mills offer this site to Lidls for their new warehouse? it's okay saying 3,600 jobs but are these confirmed jobs or are these units going to sit empty? will all traffic go straight into this site from the motorway or will the existing road structures take the extra volume? I hope this amount of jobs are created for the good of the area![/p][/quote]Most of these jobs will be in construction contracts once all is built then more likely be around 200 jobs at zero contract hours[/p][/quote]southy unless al the units are going to be run by robots then there will be far more than 200 jobs going if they fill the site with companies[/p][/quote]Unlikely loose now days business are run on a shoe string when it come to employing people keeping the business under staff and over work. If you know any thing about construction then you realise this is where the bulk of the people will be employed on a short term contract, When I was working with Harbour and General in Millbrook treatment plant, building the new works, there was a over 1500 people employed in different parts of the building contracts, to do that contract from start to start up and hand over, only 6 people are employed to operate the new treatment plant. People do not realise how many people are employed in the construction industry, like with this build how many planners, architect and surveyors been employed so far and this is before any ground work been done. southy
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2:32pm Fri 31 Jan 14

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
not knocking the future prospects of jobs but why didn't Barker Mills offer this site to Lidls for their new warehouse?
it's okay saying 3,600 jobs but are these confirmed jobs or are these units going to sit empty?
will all traffic go straight into this site from the motorway or will the existing road structures take the extra volume?
I hope this amount of jobs are created for the good of the area!
Most of these jobs will be in construction contracts once all is built then more likely be around 200 jobs at zero contract hours
How many jobs have you created?
more likely a lot more that you have done.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: not knocking the future prospects of jobs but why didn't Barker Mills offer this site to Lidls for their new warehouse? it's okay saying 3,600 jobs but are these confirmed jobs or are these units going to sit empty? will all traffic go straight into this site from the motorway or will the existing road structures take the extra volume? I hope this amount of jobs are created for the good of the area![/p][/quote]Most of these jobs will be in construction contracts once all is built then more likely be around 200 jobs at zero contract hours[/p][/quote]How many jobs have you created?[/p][/quote]more likely a lot more that you have done. southy
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3:27pm Fri 31 Jan 14

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
not knocking the future prospects of jobs but why didn't Barker Mills offer this site to Lidls for their new warehouse?
it's okay saying 3,600 jobs but are these confirmed jobs or are these units going to sit empty?
will all traffic go straight into this site from the motorway or will the existing road structures take the extra volume?
I hope this amount of jobs are created for the good of the area!
Most of these jobs will be in construction contracts once all is built then more likely be around 200 jobs at zero contract hours
How many jobs have you created?
more likely a lot more that you have done.
do you remember the plans for Solent City?
If you do tell us about it!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: not knocking the future prospects of jobs but why didn't Barker Mills offer this site to Lidls for their new warehouse? it's okay saying 3,600 jobs but are these confirmed jobs or are these units going to sit empty? will all traffic go straight into this site from the motorway or will the existing road structures take the extra volume? I hope this amount of jobs are created for the good of the area![/p][/quote]Most of these jobs will be in construction contracts once all is built then more likely be around 200 jobs at zero contract hours[/p][/quote]How many jobs have you created?[/p][/quote]more likely a lot more that you have done.[/p][/quote]do you remember the plans for Solent City? If you do tell us about it! loosehead
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5:06pm Fri 31 Jan 14

southy says...

loose you find all about it here.

https://www.gov.uk/g
overnment/policies/g
iving-more-power-bac
k-to-cities-through-
city-deals

this was the back bone of the Solent City deal.
loose you find all about it here. https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/policies/g iving-more-power-bac k-to-cities-through- city-deals this was the back bone of the Solent City deal. southy
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5:15pm Fri 31 Jan 14

southy says...

southy wrote:
loose you find all about it here.

https://www.gov.uk/g

overnment/policies/g

iving-more-power-bac

k-to-cities-through-

city-deals

this was the back bone of the Solent City deal.
Or are you talking even earlier back in 65, when the idea was to limit growth between Portsmouth and Southampton, which in 1974 it was thrown out by Ted Heath and the area went unchecked.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: loose you find all about it here. https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/policies/g iving-more-power-bac k-to-cities-through- city-deals this was the back bone of the Solent City deal.[/p][/quote]Or are you talking even earlier back in 65, when the idea was to limit growth between Portsmouth and Southampton, which in 1974 it was thrown out by Ted Heath and the area went unchecked. southy
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6:01pm Fri 31 Jan 14

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
southy wrote:
loose you find all about it here.

https://www.gov.uk/g


overnment/policies/g


iving-more-power-bac


k-to-cities-through-


city-deals

this was the back bone of the Solent City deal.
Or are you talking even earlier back in 65, when the idea was to limit growth between Portsmouth and Southampton, which in 1974 it was thrown out by Ted Heath and the area went unchecked.
1965 & don't you think it's getting much closer now?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: loose you find all about it here. https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/policies/g iving-more-power-bac k-to-cities-through- city-deals this was the back bone of the Solent City deal.[/p][/quote]Or are you talking even earlier back in 65, when the idea was to limit growth between Portsmouth and Southampton, which in 1974 it was thrown out by Ted Heath and the area went unchecked.[/p][/quote]1965 & don't you think it's getting much closer now? loosehead
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