'I have to go to Romania to find staff who want work', says Jason Harris, boss of IMS Group in Ringwood

Daily Echo: Jason Harris Jason Harris

A HAMPSHIRE businessman says he may be forced to fly to Romania to find staff after failing to recruit locally.

Jason Harris, director of the Ringwood-based IMS Group, says his attempts to fill vacancies have yielded only one suitable applicant.

He said: “After emerging from the deepest recession in living memory, many businesses are looking to grow their workforce – but it’s harder than many imagine.

“It’s unbelievable that with 2.3m unemployed I’m having to look to eastern Europe to fill vacancies that UK jobseekers don’t seem to want.”

But Desmond Swayne, Tory MP for New Forest West, accused British firms of being “addicted” to foreign labour.

He added: “At the latest count there were 616 people in New Forest West claiming job-seekers allowance.

“I find it hard to believe that they cannot meet the needs of our local employers. If they can’t, we need to know.”

IMS, a media and publishing company, employs five staff and is looking to recruit another two workers – in telesales and marketing. But job adverts on local and national websites have yielded only one applicant, even though 116 Ringwood residents are out of work.

Mr Harris, who won’t divulge the salary but said it was well above the minimum wage, said: “I haven’t booked my flight to Romania but it’s what I’m contemplating, and if I have to fly there I will.”

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10:57am Thu 30 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

Why don't you divulge the wage then we can have a sensible discussion, what he means is he cant find people to work for a non living wage who have to pay proper rent and not hotbed 12 to a house. He should ask himself if he could live on the wage offered or not?
Why don't you divulge the wage then we can have a sensible discussion, what he means is he cant find people to work for a non living wage who have to pay proper rent and not hotbed 12 to a house. He should ask himself if he could live on the wage offered or not? bigfella777

11:00am Thu 30 Jan 14

sameoldscene says...

Absolute rubbish. You just don't want to pay the going rate to any decent hard working British person, or graduate. Same old story, you want to pay peanuts and use the Romanian cheap labour to your advantage.
Absolute rubbish. You just don't want to pay the going rate to any decent hard working British person, or graduate. Same old story, you want to pay peanuts and use the Romanian cheap labour to your advantage. sameoldscene

11:10am Thu 30 Jan 14

bsjc1234 says...

I disagree, I have just done the correct thing and have called them up, really helpful, I know the wage and yet I am submitting my application today, good story thanks Echo
I disagree, I have just done the correct thing and have called them up, really helpful, I know the wage and yet I am submitting my application today, good story thanks Echo bsjc1234

11:26am Thu 30 Jan 14

downfader says...

Is this the petrochemical engineering firm? Would be nice if the Echo elaborated on what his business actually was so others could find out more.
Is this the petrochemical engineering firm? Would be nice if the Echo elaborated on what his business actually was so others could find out more. downfader

11:32am Thu 30 Jan 14

Torchie1 says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Why don't you divulge the wage then we can have a sensible discussion, what he means is he cant find people to work for a non living wage who have to pay proper rent and not hotbed 12 to a house. He should ask himself if he could live on the wage offered or not?
The UK is part of the EU and Romania is now also part of it. Seeking to use the labour force from Europe instead of that closer to home is no different to choosing to buy from Lidl instead of Waitrose. It's called competition.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Why don't you divulge the wage then we can have a sensible discussion, what he means is he cant find people to work for a non living wage who have to pay proper rent and not hotbed 12 to a house. He should ask himself if he could live on the wage offered or not?[/p][/quote]The UK is part of the EU and Romania is now also part of it. Seeking to use the labour force from Europe instead of that closer to home is no different to choosing to buy from Lidl instead of Waitrose. It's called competition. Torchie1

11:42am Thu 30 Jan 14

Service-defender says...

If it's in telesales I'm not surprised, worst job in the world.

Also quote “I find it hard to believe that they cannot meet the needs of our local employers. If they can’t, we need to know.”

So is it that no one wants the work or they just don't suit your needs?
If it's in telesales I'm not surprised, worst job in the world. Also quote “I find it hard to believe that they cannot meet the needs of our local employers. If they can’t, we need to know.” So is it that no one wants the work or they just don't suit your needs? Service-defender

11:45am Thu 30 Jan 14

Vix1 says...

I am sick of people saying that the British don't want to work!! I have applied for a number of jobs and haven't even been given the courtesy of a reply!! All because I devoted 14 years to bringing up my daughter. Perhaps if employers were willing to think outside the box and employ people who may not currently have the skills, but are willing to learn; then they could fill their posts with British staff!!
I am sick of people saying that the British don't want to work!! I have applied for a number of jobs and haven't even been given the courtesy of a reply!! All because I devoted 14 years to bringing up my daughter. Perhaps if employers were willing to think outside the box and employ people who may not currently have the skills, but are willing to learn; then they could fill their posts with British staff!! Vix1

11:45am Thu 30 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Mr Harris, who won’t divulge the salary but said it was well above the minimum wage, said: “I haven’t booked my flight to Romania but it’s what I’m contemplating, and if I have to fly there I will.”
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Well in actual fact i think this guy was on Radio Solent this morning and stated that the starting wage was £16,000 ...... £20k on target and about £24k with additional bonuses. In addition he stated that he had an employee earning £32k.
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So the comments above about "greedy little man" ... "Same old story, you want to pay peanuts and use the Romanian cheap labour to your advantage" ........... are from the usual illinformed muppets.
Mr Harris, who won’t divulge the salary but said it was well above the minimum wage, said: “I haven’t booked my flight to Romania but it’s what I’m contemplating, and if I have to fly there I will.” . Well in actual fact i think this guy was on Radio Solent this morning and stated that the starting wage was £16,000 ...... £20k on target and about £24k with additional bonuses. In addition he stated that he had an employee earning £32k. . So the comments above about "greedy little man" ... "Same old story, you want to pay peanuts and use the Romanian cheap labour to your advantage" ........... are from the usual illinformed muppets. Lone Ranger.

11:46am Thu 30 Jan 14

downfader says...

Torchie1 wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Why don't you divulge the wage then we can have a sensible discussion, what he means is he cant find people to work for a non living wage who have to pay proper rent and not hotbed 12 to a house. He should ask himself if he could live on the wage offered or not?
The UK is part of the EU and Romania is now also part of it. Seeking to use the labour force from Europe instead of that closer to home is no different to choosing to buy from Lidl instead of Waitrose. It's called competition.
Except that competition cannot be used to drive down already low wages, as many firms do now. Look at the building sector, since Polish immigration wages have stalled for around 4 years. No blame to immigrants - they're just doing what they can for their families, I blame companies that exploit this, and exploit the fact that immigrants dont often know their full rights.

If competition was so important then company structures would change and expensive restaurant lunches and bonuses would go, and top wages would have plateaued. They would have adapted to suit the competition.

Anyway, this is all a side issue. There are workers here it just needs proper promotion.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Why don't you divulge the wage then we can have a sensible discussion, what he means is he cant find people to work for a non living wage who have to pay proper rent and not hotbed 12 to a house. He should ask himself if he could live on the wage offered or not?[/p][/quote]The UK is part of the EU and Romania is now also part of it. Seeking to use the labour force from Europe instead of that closer to home is no different to choosing to buy from Lidl instead of Waitrose. It's called competition.[/p][/quote]Except that competition cannot be used to drive down already low wages, as many firms do now. Look at the building sector, since Polish immigration wages have stalled for around 4 years. No blame to immigrants - they're just doing what they can for their families, I blame companies that exploit this, and exploit the fact that immigrants dont often know their full rights. If competition was so important then company structures would change and expensive restaurant lunches and bonuses would go, and top wages would have plateaued. They would have adapted to suit the competition. Anyway, this is all a side issue. There are workers here it just needs proper promotion. downfader

11:52am Thu 30 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

I'm probably not alone in ignoring foreign accents on my phone when they are trying to interest me in a new service from my broadband supplier, so I suspect Roumanians so employed could have a problem meeting targets.
I'm probably not alone in ignoring foreign accents on my phone when they are trying to interest me in a new service from my broadband supplier, so I suspect Roumanians so employed could have a problem meeting targets. Inform Al

11:52am Thu 30 Jan 14

gilbertratchet says...

Vix1 wrote:
I am sick of people saying that the British don't want to work!! I have applied for a number of jobs and haven't even been given the courtesy of a reply!! All because I devoted 14 years to bringing up my daughter. Perhaps if employers were willing to think outside the box and employ people who may not currently have the skills, but are willing to learn; then they could fill their posts with British staff!!
I feel for you, but in all honesty, given the choice between someone who could walk in tomorrow and get on with the job, or someone who will first need weeks, or months of training, it's often a no-brainer. The state needs to be smarted about providing training, to remove this sort of barrier from the equation. It should be worthwhile for an employer to take you on and train you. By which I mean immediately worthwhile. Obviously, there are long-term benefits to taking on staff to train up, but most employers can't afford that risk or investment. Good luck with the job hunt!
[quote][p][bold]Vix1[/bold] wrote: I am sick of people saying that the British don't want to work!! I have applied for a number of jobs and haven't even been given the courtesy of a reply!! All because I devoted 14 years to bringing up my daughter. Perhaps if employers were willing to think outside the box and employ people who may not currently have the skills, but are willing to learn; then they could fill their posts with British staff!![/p][/quote]I feel for you, but in all honesty, given the choice between someone who could walk in tomorrow and get on with the job, or someone who will first need weeks, or months of training, it's often a no-brainer. The state needs to be smarted about providing training, to remove this sort of barrier from the equation. It should be worthwhile for an employer to take you on and train you. By which I mean immediately worthwhile. Obviously, there are long-term benefits to taking on staff to train up, but most employers can't afford that risk or investment. Good luck with the job hunt! gilbertratchet

12:02pm Thu 30 Jan 14

elvisimo says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Mr Harris, who won’t divulge the salary but said it was well above the minimum wage, said: “I haven’t booked my flight to Romania but it’s what I’m contemplating, and if I have to fly there I will.”
.
Well in actual fact i think this guy was on Radio Solent this morning and stated that the starting wage was £16,000 ...... £20k on target and about £24k with additional bonuses. In addition he stated that he had an employee earning £32k.
.
So the comments above about "greedy little man" ... "Same old story, you want to pay peanuts and use the Romanian cheap labour to your advantage" ........... are from the usual illinformed muppets.
yep but it suits their narrow viewpoints. I agree with him, get people who want to work, want to start a career. A large proportion of our unemployed could learn a lot from the work ethic of or European neighbours.
The generation who thought it was ok to not bother with education and qualifications now moan that they don't want menial low paid jobs - tough. Get of your a rse and start somewhere. You don't have some god given right to a well paid job, especially if you are qualified to do nothing.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Mr Harris, who won’t divulge the salary but said it was well above the minimum wage, said: “I haven’t booked my flight to Romania but it’s what I’m contemplating, and if I have to fly there I will.” . Well in actual fact i think this guy was on Radio Solent this morning and stated that the starting wage was £16,000 ...... £20k on target and about £24k with additional bonuses. In addition he stated that he had an employee earning £32k. . So the comments above about "greedy little man" ... "Same old story, you want to pay peanuts and use the Romanian cheap labour to your advantage" ........... are from the usual illinformed muppets.[/p][/quote]yep but it suits their narrow viewpoints. I agree with him, get people who want to work, want to start a career. A large proportion of our unemployed could learn a lot from the work ethic of or European neighbours. The generation who thought it was ok to not bother with education and qualifications now moan that they don't want menial low paid jobs - tough. Get of your a rse and start somewhere. You don't have some god given right to a well paid job, especially if you are qualified to do nothing. elvisimo

12:06pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Totton Ric says...

Minimum Wage with Maximum hours, try upping your wage for UK workers!, The reason people don’t take low paid job’s as there overhead’s wouldn’t be covered, people need to earn at least £7.50 p/h whilst the min at the moment is £6.31
Minimum Wage with Maximum hours, try upping your wage for UK workers!, The reason people don’t take low paid job’s as there overhead’s wouldn’t be covered, people need to earn at least £7.50 p/h whilst the min at the moment is £6.31 Totton Ric

12:07pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Vix1 says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
Vix1 wrote:
I am sick of people saying that the British don't want to work!! I have applied for a number of jobs and haven't even been given the courtesy of a reply!! All because I devoted 14 years to bringing up my daughter. Perhaps if employers were willing to think outside the box and employ people who may not currently have the skills, but are willing to learn; then they could fill their posts with British staff!!
I feel for you, but in all honesty, given the choice between someone who could walk in tomorrow and get on with the job, or someone who will first need weeks, or months of training, it's often a no-brainer. The state needs to be smarted about providing training, to remove this sort of barrier from the equation. It should be worthwhile for an employer to take you on and train you. By which I mean immediately worthwhile. Obviously, there are long-term benefits to taking on staff to train up, but most employers can't afford that risk or investment. Good luck with the job hunt!
You say that, but surely foreign staff need to be trained?? A lot of them probably won't even be familiar with the language, let alone the role! I think it's more about the wages they can get away with paying, or the amount of holiday/sick pay etc that they offer to people who are ignorant of what they should expect to receive. (not implied in a derogatory sense!) .
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vix1[/bold] wrote: I am sick of people saying that the British don't want to work!! I have applied for a number of jobs and haven't even been given the courtesy of a reply!! All because I devoted 14 years to bringing up my daughter. Perhaps if employers were willing to think outside the box and employ people who may not currently have the skills, but are willing to learn; then they could fill their posts with British staff!![/p][/quote]I feel for you, but in all honesty, given the choice between someone who could walk in tomorrow and get on with the job, or someone who will first need weeks, or months of training, it's often a no-brainer. The state needs to be smarted about providing training, to remove this sort of barrier from the equation. It should be worthwhile for an employer to take you on and train you. By which I mean immediately worthwhile. Obviously, there are long-term benefits to taking on staff to train up, but most employers can't afford that risk or investment. Good luck with the job hunt![/p][/quote]You say that, but surely foreign staff need to be trained?? A lot of them probably won't even be familiar with the language, let alone the role! I think it's more about the wages they can get away with paying, or the amount of holiday/sick pay etc that they offer to people who are ignorant of what they should expect to receive. (not implied in a derogatory sense!) . Vix1

12:13pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Vix1 says...

Not everyone not working is unqualified!!!! There are plenty of qualified people (including me), who cannot get work. Also, if your skills are outdated, who is going to help pay for you to update them?? I can't afford to go and pay to do a college course or open university, but because my husband works, I am not entitled to free training either! Stop making assumptions about peoples training/qualificati
ons! There are plenty of us willing to work, that can't!
Not everyone not working is unqualified!!!! There are plenty of qualified people (including me), who cannot get work. Also, if your skills are outdated, who is going to help pay for you to update them?? I can't afford to go and pay to do a college course or open university, but because my husband works, I am not entitled to free training either! Stop making assumptions about peoples training/qualificati ons! There are plenty of us willing to work, that can't! Vix1

12:14pm Thu 30 Jan 14

loosehead says...

bsjc1234 wrote:
I disagree, I have just done the correct thing and have called them up, really helpful, I know the wage and yet I am submitting my application today, good story thanks Echo
could you tell me if you live in the Ringwood area & weren't you told by the local jobseekers about it?
As if Lone Rangers figures are right ( company bosses figures) surely people should be queuing up for these jobs or does it really show what's wrong with the welfare system?
[quote][p][bold]bsjc1234[/bold] wrote: I disagree, I have just done the correct thing and have called them up, really helpful, I know the wage and yet I am submitting my application today, good story thanks Echo[/p][/quote]could you tell me if you live in the Ringwood area & weren't you told by the local jobseekers about it? As if Lone Rangers figures are right ( company bosses figures) surely people should be queuing up for these jobs or does it really show what's wrong with the welfare system? loosehead

12:14pm Thu 30 Jan 14

downfader says...

Vix1 wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
Vix1 wrote:
I am sick of people saying that the British don't want to work!! I have applied for a number of jobs and haven't even been given the courtesy of a reply!! All because I devoted 14 years to bringing up my daughter. Perhaps if employers were willing to think outside the box and employ people who may not currently have the skills, but are willing to learn; then they could fill their posts with British staff!!
I feel for you, but in all honesty, given the choice between someone who could walk in tomorrow and get on with the job, or someone who will first need weeks, or months of training, it's often a no-brainer. The state needs to be smarted about providing training, to remove this sort of barrier from the equation. It should be worthwhile for an employer to take you on and train you. By which I mean immediately worthwhile. Obviously, there are long-term benefits to taking on staff to train up, but most employers can't afford that risk or investment. Good luck with the job hunt!
You say that, but surely foreign staff need to be trained?? A lot of them probably won't even be familiar with the language, let alone the role! I think it's more about the wages they can get away with paying, or the amount of holiday/sick pay etc that they offer to people who are ignorant of what they should expect to receive. (not implied in a derogatory sense!) .
Most foreign workers tend to end up in the service industry, and places where language is less of an issue. Most that I have worked with tend to learn the language pretty quickly from my experience.
[quote][p][bold]Vix1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vix1[/bold] wrote: I am sick of people saying that the British don't want to work!! I have applied for a number of jobs and haven't even been given the courtesy of a reply!! All because I devoted 14 years to bringing up my daughter. Perhaps if employers were willing to think outside the box and employ people who may not currently have the skills, but are willing to learn; then they could fill their posts with British staff!![/p][/quote]I feel for you, but in all honesty, given the choice between someone who could walk in tomorrow and get on with the job, or someone who will first need weeks, or months of training, it's often a no-brainer. The state needs to be smarted about providing training, to remove this sort of barrier from the equation. It should be worthwhile for an employer to take you on and train you. By which I mean immediately worthwhile. Obviously, there are long-term benefits to taking on staff to train up, but most employers can't afford that risk or investment. Good luck with the job hunt![/p][/quote]You say that, but surely foreign staff need to be trained?? A lot of them probably won't even be familiar with the language, let alone the role! I think it's more about the wages they can get away with paying, or the amount of holiday/sick pay etc that they offer to people who are ignorant of what they should expect to receive. (not implied in a derogatory sense!) .[/p][/quote]Most foreign workers tend to end up in the service industry, and places where language is less of an issue. Most that I have worked with tend to learn the language pretty quickly from my experience. downfader

12:32pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

downfader wrote:
Vix1 wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
Vix1 wrote:
I am sick of people saying that the British don't want to work!! I have applied for a number of jobs and haven't even been given the courtesy of a reply!! All because I devoted 14 years to bringing up my daughter. Perhaps if employers were willing to think outside the box and employ people who may not currently have the skills, but are willing to learn; then they could fill their posts with British staff!!
I feel for you, but in all honesty, given the choice between someone who could walk in tomorrow and get on with the job, or someone who will first need weeks, or months of training, it's often a no-brainer. The state needs to be smarted about providing training, to remove this sort of barrier from the equation. It should be worthwhile for an employer to take you on and train you. By which I mean immediately worthwhile. Obviously, there are long-term benefits to taking on staff to train up, but most employers can't afford that risk or investment. Good luck with the job hunt!
You say that, but surely foreign staff need to be trained?? A lot of them probably won't even be familiar with the language, let alone the role! I think it's more about the wages they can get away with paying, or the amount of holiday/sick pay etc that they offer to people who are ignorant of what they should expect to receive. (not implied in a derogatory sense!) .
Most foreign workers tend to end up in the service industry, and places where language is less of an issue. Most that I have worked with tend to learn the language pretty quickly from my experience.
I occasionally chat with a Roumanian chap working in a neaby site, his English is fair but we occasionally have to use Russian, which is neither of our our natural languages, to understand what we are saying to each other. His Russian that he learned at sckool is about as hopeless as mine so the fact that we occasionally have to resort to using Russian would suggest he will not be much good at tele sales.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vix1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vix1[/bold] wrote: I am sick of people saying that the British don't want to work!! I have applied for a number of jobs and haven't even been given the courtesy of a reply!! All because I devoted 14 years to bringing up my daughter. Perhaps if employers were willing to think outside the box and employ people who may not currently have the skills, but are willing to learn; then they could fill their posts with British staff!![/p][/quote]I feel for you, but in all honesty, given the choice between someone who could walk in tomorrow and get on with the job, or someone who will first need weeks, or months of training, it's often a no-brainer. The state needs to be smarted about providing training, to remove this sort of barrier from the equation. It should be worthwhile for an employer to take you on and train you. By which I mean immediately worthwhile. Obviously, there are long-term benefits to taking on staff to train up, but most employers can't afford that risk or investment. Good luck with the job hunt![/p][/quote]You say that, but surely foreign staff need to be trained?? A lot of them probably won't even be familiar with the language, let alone the role! I think it's more about the wages they can get away with paying, or the amount of holiday/sick pay etc that they offer to people who are ignorant of what they should expect to receive. (not implied in a derogatory sense!) .[/p][/quote]Most foreign workers tend to end up in the service industry, and places where language is less of an issue. Most that I have worked with tend to learn the language pretty quickly from my experience.[/p][/quote]I occasionally chat with a Roumanian chap working in a neaby site, his English is fair but we occasionally have to use Russian, which is neither of our our natural languages, to understand what we are saying to each other. His Russian that he learned at sckool is about as hopeless as mine so the fact that we occasionally have to resort to using Russian would suggest he will not be much good at tele sales. Inform Al

12:39pm Thu 30 Jan 14

IMSLTD says...

Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive.

I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year.

I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody.

The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres.

I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee.

Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude.

I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?
Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive. I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year. I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody. The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres. I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee. Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude. I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work? IMSLTD

12:57pm Thu 30 Jan 14

redsnapper says...

British business likes to poach ready made and ready trained staff from competitor companies. Very few companies will entertain training up an applicant with no previous. On the other side of the coin there is without doubt too many unemployed with poor qualifications and no experience who have been failed by education and also by their own lack of effort during that education period.

The tory MP's comment is ridiculous- there is a shortage of home grown talent at every level here in the UK.
British business likes to poach ready made and ready trained staff from competitor companies. Very few companies will entertain training up an applicant with no previous. On the other side of the coin there is without doubt too many unemployed with poor qualifications and no experience who have been failed by education and also by their own lack of effort during that education period. The tory MP's comment is ridiculous- there is a shortage of home grown talent at every level here in the UK. redsnapper

12:58pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

IMSLTD wrote:
Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive.

I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year.

I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody.

The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres.

I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee.

Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude.

I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?
Do the Job Centres know that the agencies they tell those that are looking for work to apply to are actually charging exhorbitant commissions. It may well, once again, be the DWPs bl00dy fault.
[quote][p][bold]IMSLTD[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive. I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year. I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody. The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres. I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee. Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude. I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?[/p][/quote]Do the Job Centres know that the agencies they tell those that are looking for work to apply to are actually charging exhorbitant commissions. It may well, once again, be the DWPs bl00dy fault. Inform Al

1:01pm Thu 30 Jan 14

befriendly says...

I can well believe his difficulties because of a few incidents when I used to be a worker. We had people come in for a job and because I was just another worker they told me some revealing things. The most common being they were only there for a month to avoid losing their benefits. Their work was often a bit suspect so the boss wouldn't want them after their months trial and those he did offer the job to demanded silly money to cover what they'd lose in benefits and the cash in hand work they did. I'm not saying all people are like that, but it may give you an inkling that there's more to benefits than you might think. A Max of £500 for qualifying people. My late brothers neighbour wouldn't take a job for less than £400 a week ten years ago when I was on barely £200 a week with overtime, with just one child less. It's all a case of some want to work and others just want to get by on what money they get from a variety of sources.
I can well believe his difficulties because of a few incidents when I used to be a worker. We had people come in for a job and because I was just another worker they told me some revealing things. The most common being they were only there for a month to avoid losing their benefits. Their work was often a bit suspect so the boss wouldn't want them after their months trial and those he did offer the job to demanded silly money to cover what they'd lose in benefits and the cash in hand work they did. I'm not saying all people are like that, but it may give you an inkling that there's more to benefits than you might think. A Max of £500 for qualifying people. My late brothers neighbour wouldn't take a job for less than £400 a week ten years ago when I was on barely £200 a week with overtime, with just one child less. It's all a case of some want to work and others just want to get by on what money they get from a variety of sources. befriendly

1:02pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Carpe Diem says...

IMSLTD wrote:
Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive.

I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year.

I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody.

The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres.

I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee.

Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude.

I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?
I think part of your problem is caused by the fact that Telesales and Marketing jobs have historically been notoriously low paid commission only jobs on which very few people can survive - often being the bottom of a pyramid designed to make money only for those at the very top. £16k is approx £8/hr. What level of skill and experience are you expecting for such a wage ? How quickly do you expect people to start hitting targets that will enable them to reach £24k p.a. ?
[quote][p][bold]IMSLTD[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive. I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year. I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody. The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres. I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee. Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude. I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?[/p][/quote]I think part of your problem is caused by the fact that Telesales and Marketing jobs have historically been notoriously low paid commission only jobs on which very few people can survive - often being the bottom of a pyramid designed to make money only for those at the very top. £16k is approx £8/hr. What level of skill and experience are you expecting for such a wage ? How quickly do you expect people to start hitting targets that will enable them to reach £24k p.a. ? Carpe Diem

1:04pm Thu 30 Jan 14

gilbertratchet says...

Vix1 wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
Vix1 wrote:
I am sick of people saying that the British don't want to work!! I have applied for a number of jobs and haven't even been given the courtesy of a reply!! All because I devoted 14 years to bringing up my daughter. Perhaps if employers were willing to think outside the box and employ people who may not currently have the skills, but are willing to learn; then they could fill their posts with British staff!!
I feel for you, but in all honesty, given the choice between someone who could walk in tomorrow and get on with the job, or someone who will first need weeks, or months of training, it's often a no-brainer. The state needs to be smarted about providing training, to remove this sort of barrier from the equation. It should be worthwhile for an employer to take you on and train you. By which I mean immediately worthwhile. Obviously, there are long-term benefits to taking on staff to train up, but most employers can't afford that risk or investment. Good luck with the job hunt!
You say that, but surely foreign staff need to be trained?? A lot of them probably won't even be familiar with the language, let alone the role! I think it's more about the wages they can get away with paying, or the amount of holiday/sick pay etc that they offer to people who are ignorant of what they should expect to receive. (not implied in a derogatory sense!) .
Yes, that's right, all foreigners are are unskilled neanderthals that communicate in grunts!

I get your point yes. It probably is mostly about money. But to think there are no skilled workers coming in from abroad is, well, absolutely flat-out wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Vix1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Vix1[/bold] wrote: I am sick of people saying that the British don't want to work!! I have applied for a number of jobs and haven't even been given the courtesy of a reply!! All because I devoted 14 years to bringing up my daughter. Perhaps if employers were willing to think outside the box and employ people who may not currently have the skills, but are willing to learn; then they could fill their posts with British staff!![/p][/quote]I feel for you, but in all honesty, given the choice between someone who could walk in tomorrow and get on with the job, or someone who will first need weeks, or months of training, it's often a no-brainer. The state needs to be smarted about providing training, to remove this sort of barrier from the equation. It should be worthwhile for an employer to take you on and train you. By which I mean immediately worthwhile. Obviously, there are long-term benefits to taking on staff to train up, but most employers can't afford that risk or investment. Good luck with the job hunt![/p][/quote]You say that, but surely foreign staff need to be trained?? A lot of them probably won't even be familiar with the language, let alone the role! I think it's more about the wages they can get away with paying, or the amount of holiday/sick pay etc that they offer to people who are ignorant of what they should expect to receive. (not implied in a derogatory sense!) .[/p][/quote]Yes, that's right, all foreigners are are unskilled neanderthals that communicate in grunts! I get your point yes. It probably is mostly about money. But to think there are no skilled workers coming in from abroad is, well, absolutely flat-out wrong. gilbertratchet

1:35pm Thu 30 Jan 14

elvisimo says...

IMSLTD wrote:
Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive.

I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year.

I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody.

The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres.

I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee.

Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude.

I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?
we have produced a couple of generations of worthless lazy freeloaders with no work ethic. Unfortunate but true.
[quote][p][bold]IMSLTD[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive. I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year. I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody. The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres. I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee. Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude. I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?[/p][/quote]we have produced a couple of generations of worthless lazy freeloaders with no work ethic. Unfortunate but true. elvisimo

1:36pm Thu 30 Jan 14

gilbertratchet says...

IMSLTD wrote:
Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive.

I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year.

I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody.

The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres.

I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee.

Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude.

I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?
Do you get your hair cut in Romania too?
[quote][p][bold]IMSLTD[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive. I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year. I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody. The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres. I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee. Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude. I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?[/p][/quote]Do you get your hair cut in Romania too? gilbertratchet

1:51pm Thu 30 Jan 14

gilbertratchet says...

elvisimo wrote:
IMSLTD wrote:
Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive.

I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year.

I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody.

The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres.

I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee.

Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude.

I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?
we have produced a couple of generations of worthless lazy freeloaders with no work ethic. Unfortunate but true.
I'm not so sure we have. We've produced a couple of generations of people who think menial work is beneath them, but we're to blame. The promise has always been "go to school, do well, go to college and you'll get a good job". That deal hasn't actually worked out. If some people don't think stacking shelves in Tescos is good enough for them, they've certainly been given enough encouragement along the way. Who hasn't been told "You need to do well in school otherwise you'll end up working at McDonalds"? It's no surprise that they feel hard done-by when they do well at school, and still end up having to work at McDonalds.

Of course, they shoulder some responsibility too, but let's not pretend it's just laziness all the time.
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IMSLTD[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive. I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year. I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody. The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres. I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee. Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude. I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?[/p][/quote]we have produced a couple of generations of worthless lazy freeloaders with no work ethic. Unfortunate but true.[/p][/quote]I'm not so sure we have. We've produced a couple of generations of people who think menial work is beneath them, but we're to blame. The promise has always been "go to school, do well, go to college and you'll get a good job". That deal hasn't actually worked out. If some people don't think stacking shelves in Tescos is good enough for them, they've certainly been given enough encouragement along the way. Who hasn't been told "You need to do well in school otherwise you'll end up working at McDonalds"? It's no surprise that they feel hard done-by when they do well at school, and still end up having to work at McDonalds. Of course, they shoulder some responsibility too, but let's not pretend it's just laziness all the time. gilbertratchet

2:05pm Thu 30 Jan 14

loonaloop says...

What do you expect when the so called "Good" package offered is commission based, People won`t work hour after hour chasing that sale for no pay.
What do you expect when the so called "Good" package offered is commission based, People won`t work hour after hour chasing that sale for no pay. loonaloop

2:14pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Stillness says...

Looks like the problem may be in getting the vacancies in front of the right people. Are companies looking to recruit not working hand in hand with local colleges?
Looks like the problem may be in getting the vacancies in front of the right people. Are companies looking to recruit not working hand in hand with local colleges? Stillness

3:06pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

IMSLTD wrote:
Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive.

I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year.

I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody.

The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres.

I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee.

Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude.

I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?
If that's a fixed, hourly wage, I'd gladly work for you unlike some of the other unemployed in Hampshire who are just lazy sit abouts, I even did a customer service course.
[quote][p][bold]IMSLTD[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive. I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year. I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody. The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres. I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee. Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude. I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?[/p][/quote]If that's a fixed, hourly wage, I'd gladly work for you unlike some of the other unemployed in Hampshire who are just lazy sit abouts, I even did a customer service course. Ginger_cyclist

3:30pm Thu 30 Jan 14

loosehead says...

I get 16,000 a year after tax & I'm buying my own home & car my wife can go back to Thailand once a year to see her parents I don't go as we couldn't afford for both of us to go until the cars paid for.
So £16,000 a year with a chance of earning commission is a good wage to say someone working in Sainsbury's.
do the job centres make it clear there is a reasonable basic pay with a chance to increase your earnings?
Exactly how much does some one on Welfare get if not living with their parents? is this the reason why jobs like this aren't being taken up by local people?
As when I was younger it was £25 a week dole money for a single person I can't understand why they weren't queueing up for these jobs hence my previous question about the welfare system?
Labour has said they'd make people work test them & stop the money or they find work so there has to be a problem doesn't there?
I get 16,000 a year after tax & I'm buying my own home & car my wife can go back to Thailand once a year to see her parents I don't go as we couldn't afford for both of us to go until the cars paid for. So £16,000 a year with a chance of earning commission is a good wage to say someone working in Sainsbury's. do the job centres make it clear there is a reasonable basic pay with a chance to increase your earnings? Exactly how much does some one on Welfare get if not living with their parents? is this the reason why jobs like this aren't being taken up by local people? As when I was younger it was £25 a week dole money for a single person I can't understand why they weren't queueing up for these jobs hence my previous question about the welfare system? Labour has said they'd make people work test them & stop the money or they find work so there has to be a problem doesn't there? loosehead

3:49pm Thu 30 Jan 14

gilbertratchet says...

loosehead wrote:
I get 16,000 a year after tax & I'm buying my own home & car my wife can go back to Thailand once a year to see her parents I don't go as we couldn't afford for both of us to go until the cars paid for.
So £16,000 a year with a chance of earning commission is a good wage to say someone working in Sainsbury's.
do the job centres make it clear there is a reasonable basic pay with a chance to increase your earnings?
Exactly how much does some one on Welfare get if not living with their parents? is this the reason why jobs like this aren't being taken up by local people?
As when I was younger it was £25 a week dole money for a single person I can't understand why they weren't queueing up for these jobs hence my previous question about the welfare system?
Labour has said they'd make people work test them & stop the money or they find work so there has to be a problem doesn't there?
I can kind-of see why people would say "I earn more on benefits than I would working in Sainsbury's" but I think that's a rather tragic attitude. As long as you're on benefits you're only ever going to have a pittance. There's no such thing as a promotion, you don't get to be "senior claimant" or anything, there's no advancement, nothing. Nor can you move to another benefit system to earn more. Sure, RIGHT NOW your income is greater on benefits than on the bottom rung of some menial job, but here's the dirty little secret: once you're in work, bettering your conditions becomes a real possibility. If all I had to look forward to in life was a few cans of supermarket lager at someone else's expense, and daytime TV, forever, I'd kill myself.

Not aimed AT you, loosehead, just furthering discussion.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I get 16,000 a year after tax & I'm buying my own home & car my wife can go back to Thailand once a year to see her parents I don't go as we couldn't afford for both of us to go until the cars paid for. So £16,000 a year with a chance of earning commission is a good wage to say someone working in Sainsbury's. do the job centres make it clear there is a reasonable basic pay with a chance to increase your earnings? Exactly how much does some one on Welfare get if not living with their parents? is this the reason why jobs like this aren't being taken up by local people? As when I was younger it was £25 a week dole money for a single person I can't understand why they weren't queueing up for these jobs hence my previous question about the welfare system? Labour has said they'd make people work test them & stop the money or they find work so there has to be a problem doesn't there?[/p][/quote]I can kind-of see why people would say "I earn more on benefits than I would working in Sainsbury's" but I think that's a rather tragic attitude. As long as you're on benefits you're only ever going to have a pittance. There's no such thing as a promotion, you don't get to be "senior claimant" or anything, there's no advancement, nothing. Nor can you move to another benefit system to earn more. Sure, RIGHT NOW your income is greater on benefits than on the bottom rung of some menial job, but here's the dirty little secret: once you're in work, bettering your conditions becomes a real possibility. If all I had to look forward to in life was a few cans of supermarket lager at someone else's expense, and daytime TV, forever, I'd kill myself. Not aimed AT you, loosehead, just furthering discussion. gilbertratchet

3:57pm Thu 30 Jan 14

loosehead says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I get 16,000 a year after tax & I'm buying my own home & car my wife can go back to Thailand once a year to see her parents I don't go as we couldn't afford for both of us to go until the cars paid for.
So £16,000 a year with a chance of earning commission is a good wage to say someone working in Sainsbury's.
do the job centres make it clear there is a reasonable basic pay with a chance to increase your earnings?
Exactly how much does some one on Welfare get if not living with their parents? is this the reason why jobs like this aren't being taken up by local people?
As when I was younger it was £25 a week dole money for a single person I can't understand why they weren't queueing up for these jobs hence my previous question about the welfare system?
Labour has said they'd make people work test them & stop the money or they find work so there has to be a problem doesn't there?
I can kind-of see why people would say "I earn more on benefits than I would working in Sainsbury's" but I think that's a rather tragic attitude. As long as you're on benefits you're only ever going to have a pittance. There's no such thing as a promotion, you don't get to be "senior claimant" or anything, there's no advancement, nothing. Nor can you move to another benefit system to earn more. Sure, RIGHT NOW your income is greater on benefits than on the bottom rung of some menial job, but here's the dirty little secret: once you're in work, bettering your conditions becomes a real possibility. If all I had to look forward to in life was a few cans of supermarket lager at someone else's expense, and daytime TV, forever, I'd kill myself.

Not aimed AT you, loosehead, just furthering discussion.
I totally agree with you but when I was young you took any job even if you hated it then once in work you looked for the job you really want & by working many potential employers mark that down in favour of your chances don't you agree?
go for a job get asked why you haven't worked even voluntary work & that get's marked down against you so yes I totally agree with your reply!
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I get 16,000 a year after tax & I'm buying my own home & car my wife can go back to Thailand once a year to see her parents I don't go as we couldn't afford for both of us to go until the cars paid for. So £16,000 a year with a chance of earning commission is a good wage to say someone working in Sainsbury's. do the job centres make it clear there is a reasonable basic pay with a chance to increase your earnings? Exactly how much does some one on Welfare get if not living with their parents? is this the reason why jobs like this aren't being taken up by local people? As when I was younger it was £25 a week dole money for a single person I can't understand why they weren't queueing up for these jobs hence my previous question about the welfare system? Labour has said they'd make people work test them & stop the money or they find work so there has to be a problem doesn't there?[/p][/quote]I can kind-of see why people would say "I earn more on benefits than I would working in Sainsbury's" but I think that's a rather tragic attitude. As long as you're on benefits you're only ever going to have a pittance. There's no such thing as a promotion, you don't get to be "senior claimant" or anything, there's no advancement, nothing. Nor can you move to another benefit system to earn more. Sure, RIGHT NOW your income is greater on benefits than on the bottom rung of some menial job, but here's the dirty little secret: once you're in work, bettering your conditions becomes a real possibility. If all I had to look forward to in life was a few cans of supermarket lager at someone else's expense, and daytime TV, forever, I'd kill myself. Not aimed AT you, loosehead, just furthering discussion.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you but when I was young you took any job even if you hated it then once in work you looked for the job you really want & by working many potential employers mark that down in favour of your chances don't you agree? go for a job get asked why you haven't worked even voluntary work & that get's marked down against you so yes I totally agree with your reply! loosehead

4:04pm Thu 30 Jan 14

downfader says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
IMSLTD wrote:
Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive.

I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year.

I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody.

The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres.

I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee.

Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude.

I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?
we have produced a couple of generations of worthless lazy freeloaders with no work ethic. Unfortunate but true.
I'm not so sure we have. We've produced a couple of generations of people who think menial work is beneath them, but we're to blame. The promise has always been "go to school, do well, go to college and you'll get a good job". That deal hasn't actually worked out. If some people don't think stacking shelves in Tescos is good enough for them, they've certainly been given enough encouragement along the way. Who hasn't been told "You need to do well in school otherwise you'll end up working at McDonalds"? It's no surprise that they feel hard done-by when they do well at school, and still end up having to work at McDonalds.

Of course, they shoulder some responsibility too, but let's not pretend it's just laziness all the time.
Exactly. We have devalued work.

My line of work is almost like MaccyDs - its often hard and physical, hot and sweaty. I've never been amazed at how many Brits have come for a job and said "I'm not doing that, its disgusting"

Someone has to do it. Better to do it and ask for equality
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IMSLTD[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive. I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year. I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody. The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres. I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee. Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude. I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?[/p][/quote]we have produced a couple of generations of worthless lazy freeloaders with no work ethic. Unfortunate but true.[/p][/quote]I'm not so sure we have. We've produced a couple of generations of people who think menial work is beneath them, but we're to blame. The promise has always been "go to school, do well, go to college and you'll get a good job". That deal hasn't actually worked out. If some people don't think stacking shelves in Tescos is good enough for them, they've certainly been given enough encouragement along the way. Who hasn't been told "You need to do well in school otherwise you'll end up working at McDonalds"? It's no surprise that they feel hard done-by when they do well at school, and still end up having to work at McDonalds. Of course, they shoulder some responsibility too, but let's not pretend it's just laziness all the time.[/p][/quote]Exactly. We have devalued work. My line of work is almost like MaccyDs - its often hard and physical, hot and sweaty. I've never been amazed at how many Brits have come for a job and said "I'm not doing that, its disgusting" Someone has to do it. Better to do it and ask for equality downfader

4:07pm Thu 30 Jan 14

downfader says...

IMSLTD wrote:
Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive.

I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year.

I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody.

The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres.

I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee.

Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude.

I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?
Whats your website? Can the Echo put it in as a link. I've posted this to twitter this morning and I'll post again. Thought it was the other IMS though, thought the address was wrong, haha
[quote][p][bold]IMSLTD[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive. I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year. I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody. The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres. I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee. Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude. I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?[/p][/quote]Whats your website? Can the Echo put it in as a link. I've posted this to twitter this morning and I'll post again. Thought it was the other IMS though, thought the address was wrong, haha downfader

4:44pm Thu 30 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

IMSLTD wrote:
Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive.

I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year.

I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody.

The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres.

I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee.

Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude.

I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?
16000 pa gross is 13400 pa net which is 1116 per month which is 257 a week which is 6.44 an hour .
And you have the cheek to advertise this as an executive position then wonder why nobody that has a mortgage or kids applies?
Again I ask you could you live on this salary?
People were being paid this for sweeping up 20 years ago it's a bloody disgrace.
[quote][p][bold]IMSLTD[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive. I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year. I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody. The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres. I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee. Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude. I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?[/p][/quote]16000 pa gross is 13400 pa net which is 1116 per month which is 257 a week which is 6.44 an hour . And you have the cheek to advertise this as an executive position then wonder why nobody that has a mortgage or kids applies? Again I ask you could you live on this salary? People were being paid this for sweeping up 20 years ago it's a bloody disgrace. bigfella777

4:50pm Thu 30 Jan 14

bsjc1234 says...

I posted this morning and said I had applied for their position and sent in my CV, I also see some are looking for the website of the company, I found them here www.ims-group.co.uk
I posted this morning and said I had applied for their position and sent in my CV, I also see some are looking for the website of the company, I found them here www.ims-group.co.uk bsjc1234

4:52pm Thu 30 Jan 14

southy says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Why don't you divulge the wage then we can have a sensible discussion, what he means is he cant find people to work for a non living wage who have to pay proper rent and not hotbed 12 to a house. He should ask himself if he could live on the wage offered or not?
He only willing to pay low wage, and short term contracts and long hours
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Why don't you divulge the wage then we can have a sensible discussion, what he means is he cant find people to work for a non living wage who have to pay proper rent and not hotbed 12 to a house. He should ask himself if he could live on the wage offered or not?[/p][/quote]He only willing to pay low wage, and short term contracts and long hours southy

4:54pm Thu 30 Jan 14

southy says...

southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Why don't you divulge the wage then we can have a sensible discussion, what he means is he cant find people to work for a non living wage who have to pay proper rent and not hotbed 12 to a house. He should ask himself if he could live on the wage offered or not?
He only willing to pay low wage, and short term contracts and long hours
Ps starting wage £16,000 a year for a 70 hour week
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Why don't you divulge the wage then we can have a sensible discussion, what he means is he cant find people to work for a non living wage who have to pay proper rent and not hotbed 12 to a house. He should ask himself if he could live on the wage offered or not?[/p][/quote]He only willing to pay low wage, and short term contracts and long hours[/p][/quote]Ps starting wage £16,000 a year for a 70 hour week southy

4:55pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

southy wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Why don't you divulge the wage then we can have a sensible discussion, what he means is he cant find people to work for a non living wage who have to pay proper rent and not hotbed 12 to a house. He should ask himself if he could live on the wage offered or not?
He only willing to pay low wage, and short term contracts and long hours
Ps starting wage £16,000 a year for a 70 hour week
I take back me being willing to work for him if that's the case. :-/
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Why don't you divulge the wage then we can have a sensible discussion, what he means is he cant find people to work for a non living wage who have to pay proper rent and not hotbed 12 to a house. He should ask himself if he could live on the wage offered or not?[/p][/quote]He only willing to pay low wage, and short term contracts and long hours[/p][/quote]Ps starting wage £16,000 a year for a 70 hour week[/p][/quote]I take back me being willing to work for him if that's the case. :-/ Ginger_cyclist

4:59pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

loonaloop wrote:
What do you expect when the so called "Good" package offered is commission based, People won`t work hour after hour chasing that sale for no pay.
£16,000 basic salary ........ you get paid for "Chasing that sale".
.
If you get the sale you get MORE money ( commission )
[quote][p][bold]loonaloop[/bold] wrote: What do you expect when the so called "Good" package offered is commission based, People won`t work hour after hour chasing that sale for no pay.[/p][/quote]£16,000 basic salary ........ you get paid for "Chasing that sale". . If you get the sale you get MORE money ( commission ) Lone Ranger.

5:03pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

bigfella777 wrote:
IMSLTD wrote:
Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive.

I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year.

I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody.

The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres.

I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee.

Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude.

I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?
16000 pa gross is 13400 pa net which is 1116 per month which is 257 a week which is 6.44 an hour .
And you have the cheek to advertise this as an executive position then wonder why nobody that has a mortgage or kids applies?
Again I ask you could you live on this salary?
People were being paid this for sweeping up 20 years ago it's a bloody disgrace.
No you are NOT supposed to "live" on this salary.
.
Thats where commission comes in ........ They want you to ( I assume ) sell something ...... then you earn more.
.
Do you understand what "selling" is all about.
.
I worked for years as self employed and got paid for what i sold ...... This company gives you £16,000 to give you a cushion whilst you have the opportunity to earn more
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IMSLTD[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive. I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year. I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody. The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres. I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee. Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude. I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?[/p][/quote]16000 pa gross is 13400 pa net which is 1116 per month which is 257 a week which is 6.44 an hour . And you have the cheek to advertise this as an executive position then wonder why nobody that has a mortgage or kids applies? Again I ask you could you live on this salary? People were being paid this for sweeping up 20 years ago it's a bloody disgrace.[/p][/quote]No you are NOT supposed to "live" on this salary. . Thats where commission comes in ........ They want you to ( I assume ) sell something ...... then you earn more. . Do you understand what "selling" is all about. . I worked for years as self employed and got paid for what i sold ...... This company gives you £16,000 to give you a cushion whilst you have the opportunity to earn more Lone Ranger.

5:04pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

southy wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Why don't you divulge the wage then we can have a sensible discussion, what he means is he cant find people to work for a non living wage who have to pay proper rent and not hotbed 12 to a house. He should ask himself if he could live on the wage offered or not?
He only willing to pay low wage, and short term contracts and long hours
Ps starting wage £16,000 a year for a 70 hour week
Where does it say 70 hours a week ??????????
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Why don't you divulge the wage then we can have a sensible discussion, what he means is he cant find people to work for a non living wage who have to pay proper rent and not hotbed 12 to a house. He should ask himself if he could live on the wage offered or not?[/p][/quote]He only willing to pay low wage, and short term contracts and long hours[/p][/quote]Ps starting wage £16,000 a year for a 70 hour week[/p][/quote]Where does it say 70 hours a week ?????????? Lone Ranger.

5:24pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

What pay Peanuts and get Monkeys!
What pay Peanuts and get Monkeys! Fatty x Ford Worker

5:26pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
IMSLTD wrote:
Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive.

I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year.

I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody.

The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres.

I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee.

Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude.

I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?
16000 pa gross is 13400 pa net which is 1116 per month which is 257 a week which is 6.44 an hour .
And you have the cheek to advertise this as an executive position then wonder why nobody that has a mortgage or kids applies?
Again I ask you could you live on this salary?
People were being paid this for sweeping up 20 years ago it's a bloody disgrace.
No you are NOT supposed to "live" on this salary.
.
Thats where commission comes in ........ They want you to ( I assume ) sell something ...... then you earn more.
.
Do you understand what "selling" is all about.
.
I worked for years as self employed and got paid for what i sold ...... This company gives you £16,000 to give you a cushion whilst you have the opportunity to earn more
CV in the Bin Time again please get real!
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IMSLTD[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive. I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year. I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody. The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres. I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee. Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude. I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?[/p][/quote]16000 pa gross is 13400 pa net which is 1116 per month which is 257 a week which is 6.44 an hour . And you have the cheek to advertise this as an executive position then wonder why nobody that has a mortgage or kids applies? Again I ask you could you live on this salary? People were being paid this for sweeping up 20 years ago it's a bloody disgrace.[/p][/quote]No you are NOT supposed to "live" on this salary. . Thats where commission comes in ........ They want you to ( I assume ) sell something ...... then you earn more. . Do you understand what "selling" is all about. . I worked for years as self employed and got paid for what i sold ...... This company gives you £16,000 to give you a cushion whilst you have the opportunity to earn more[/p][/quote]CV in the Bin Time again please get real! Fatty x Ford Worker

5:34pm Thu 30 Jan 14

southy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
southy wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Why don't you divulge the wage then we can have a sensible discussion, what he means is he cant find people to work for a non living wage who have to pay proper rent and not hotbed 12 to a house. He should ask himself if he could live on the wage offered or not?
He only willing to pay low wage, and short term contracts and long hours
Ps starting wage £16,000 a year for a 70 hour week
Where does it say 70 hours a week ??????????
bad union reputation fast turn over of staff
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Why don't you divulge the wage then we can have a sensible discussion, what he means is he cant find people to work for a non living wage who have to pay proper rent and not hotbed 12 to a house. He should ask himself if he could live on the wage offered or not?[/p][/quote]He only willing to pay low wage, and short term contracts and long hours[/p][/quote]Ps starting wage £16,000 a year for a 70 hour week[/p][/quote]Where does it say 70 hours a week ??????????[/p][/quote]bad union reputation fast turn over of staff southy

5:39pm Thu 30 Jan 14

southy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
IMSLTD wrote:
Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive.

I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year.

I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody.

The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres.

I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee.

Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude.

I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?
16000 pa gross is 13400 pa net which is 1116 per month which is 257 a week which is 6.44 an hour .
And you have the cheek to advertise this as an executive position then wonder why nobody that has a mortgage or kids applies?
Again I ask you could you live on this salary?
People were being paid this for sweeping up 20 years ago it's a bloody disgrace.
No you are NOT supposed to "live" on this salary.
.
Thats where commission comes in ........ They want you to ( I assume ) sell something ...... then you earn more.
.
Do you understand what "selling" is all about.
.
I worked for years as self employed and got paid for what i sold ...... This company gives you £16,000 to give you a cushion whilst you have the opportunity to earn more
Lone you was more likely selling things that mass number of people would want, this company is not its with in a certain field where its a limit amount of customers that is all ready over flooded with the same sort of thing on offer.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IMSLTD[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive. I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year. I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody. The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres. I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee. Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude. I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?[/p][/quote]16000 pa gross is 13400 pa net which is 1116 per month which is 257 a week which is 6.44 an hour . And you have the cheek to advertise this as an executive position then wonder why nobody that has a mortgage or kids applies? Again I ask you could you live on this salary? People were being paid this for sweeping up 20 years ago it's a bloody disgrace.[/p][/quote]No you are NOT supposed to "live" on this salary. . Thats where commission comes in ........ They want you to ( I assume ) sell something ...... then you earn more. . Do you understand what "selling" is all about. . I worked for years as self employed and got paid for what i sold ...... This company gives you £16,000 to give you a cushion whilst you have the opportunity to earn more[/p][/quote]Lone you was more likely selling things that mass number of people would want, this company is not its with in a certain field where its a limit amount of customers that is all ready over flooded with the same sort of thing on offer. southy

6:09pm Thu 30 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
IMSLTD wrote:
Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive.

I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year.

I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody.

The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres.

I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee.

Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude.

I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?
16000 pa gross is 13400 pa net which is 1116 per month which is 257 a week which is 6.44 an hour .
And you have the cheek to advertise this as an executive position then wonder why nobody that has a mortgage or kids applies?
Again I ask you could you live on this salary?
People were being paid this for sweeping up 20 years ago it's a bloody disgrace.
No you are NOT supposed to "live" on this salary.
.
Thats where commission comes in ........ They want you to ( I assume ) sell something ...... then you earn more.
.
Do you understand what "selling" is all about.
.
I worked for years as self employed and got paid for what i sold ...... This company gives you £16,000 to give you a cushion whilst you have the opportunity to earn more
I worked piece work at Bardic Engineering & my basic pay was £74 a week but if I managed to get the right lot I could take home £500 a week so I agree with you this is a good cushion wage
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IMSLTD[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive. I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year. I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody. The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres. I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee. Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude. I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?[/p][/quote]16000 pa gross is 13400 pa net which is 1116 per month which is 257 a week which is 6.44 an hour . And you have the cheek to advertise this as an executive position then wonder why nobody that has a mortgage or kids applies? Again I ask you could you live on this salary? People were being paid this for sweeping up 20 years ago it's a bloody disgrace.[/p][/quote]No you are NOT supposed to "live" on this salary. . Thats where commission comes in ........ They want you to ( I assume ) sell something ...... then you earn more. . Do you understand what "selling" is all about. . I worked for years as self employed and got paid for what i sold ...... This company gives you £16,000 to give you a cushion whilst you have the opportunity to earn more[/p][/quote]I worked piece work at Bardic Engineering & my basic pay was £74 a week but if I managed to get the right lot I could take home £500 a week so I agree with you this is a good cushion wage loosehead

6:12pm Thu 30 Jan 14

LeapingCat says...

I think lots of the comments on this post just reinforce what the guy is saying in the first place. Seems like he's offering a basic package of £16k (the going rate for these kind of sales positions - look around) + what looks like generous commission (someone earnt £32k doing it?) and lots of people are just finding excuses not to apply and bad mouthing the guy - can you blame him for going to Europe and finding people who actually want the job rather than finding lots of reasons why they shouldn't apply? Seems like people are happier to sit on their behinds and claim benefit than actually work for a living! Most sales staff get a lower basic and then make it up with commission . Come on people get real!
I think lots of the comments on this post just reinforce what the guy is saying in the first place. Seems like he's offering a basic package of £16k (the going rate for these kind of sales positions - look around) + what looks like generous commission (someone earnt £32k doing it?) and lots of people are just finding excuses not to apply and bad mouthing the guy - can you blame him for going to Europe and finding people who actually want the job rather than finding lots of reasons why they shouldn't apply? Seems like people are happier to sit on their behinds and claim benefit than actually work for a living! Most sales staff get a lower basic and then make it up with commission . Come on people get real! LeapingCat

6:14pm Thu 30 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
southy wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Why don't you divulge the wage then we can have a sensible discussion, what he means is he cant find people to work for a non living wage who have to pay proper rent and not hotbed 12 to a house. He should ask himself if he could live on the wage offered or not?
He only willing to pay low wage, and short term contracts and long hours
Ps starting wage £16,000 a year for a 70 hour week
I take back me being willing to work for him if that's the case. :-/
Ginger where does it say 70hour week? isn't it illegal to work those hours under EU laws? I know at BAT we had to sign a paper to be able to work the overtime we did.
I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year.
I don't know where Southy got the figure of 70 hours but why not go to this website?
I posted this morning and said I had applied for their position and sent in my CV, I also see some are looking for the website of the company, I found them here www.ims-group.co.uk
See what they're offering?
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Why don't you divulge the wage then we can have a sensible discussion, what he means is he cant find people to work for a non living wage who have to pay proper rent and not hotbed 12 to a house. He should ask himself if he could live on the wage offered or not?[/p][/quote]He only willing to pay low wage, and short term contracts and long hours[/p][/quote]Ps starting wage £16,000 a year for a 70 hour week[/p][/quote]I take back me being willing to work for him if that's the case. :-/[/p][/quote]Ginger where does it say 70hour week? isn't it illegal to work those hours under EU laws? I know at BAT we had to sign a paper to be able to work the overtime we did. I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year. I don't know where Southy got the figure of 70 hours but why not go to this website? I posted this morning and said I had applied for their position and sent in my CV, I also see some are looking for the website of the company, I found them here www.ims-group.co.uk See what they're offering? loosehead

6:18pm Thu 30 Jan 14

LeapingCat says...

Don't think he mentioned 70 hours a week. Not sure where that came from....
Don't think he mentioned 70 hours a week. Not sure where that came from.... LeapingCat

6:22pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
southy wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Why don't you divulge the wage then we can have a sensible discussion, what he means is he cant find people to work for a non living wage who have to pay proper rent and not hotbed 12 to a house. He should ask himself if he could live on the wage offered or not?
He only willing to pay low wage, and short term contracts and long hours
Ps starting wage £16,000 a year for a 70 hour week
Where does it say 70 hours a week ??????????
bad union reputation fast turn over of staff
......... No ...... where does it say 72 hours a week
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Why don't you divulge the wage then we can have a sensible discussion, what he means is he cant find people to work for a non living wage who have to pay proper rent and not hotbed 12 to a house. He should ask himself if he could live on the wage offered or not?[/p][/quote]He only willing to pay low wage, and short term contracts and long hours[/p][/quote]Ps starting wage £16,000 a year for a 70 hour week[/p][/quote]Where does it say 70 hours a week ??????????[/p][/quote]bad union reputation fast turn over of staff[/p][/quote]......... No ...... where does it say 72 hours a week Lone Ranger.

6:25pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
IMSLTD wrote:
Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive.

I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year.

I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody.

The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres.

I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee.

Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude.

I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?
16000 pa gross is 13400 pa net which is 1116 per month which is 257 a week which is 6.44 an hour .
And you have the cheek to advertise this as an executive position then wonder why nobody that has a mortgage or kids applies?
Again I ask you could you live on this salary?
People were being paid this for sweeping up 20 years ago it's a bloody disgrace.
No you are NOT supposed to "live" on this salary.
.
Thats where commission comes in ........ They want you to ( I assume ) sell something ...... then you earn more.
.
Do you understand what "selling" is all about.
.
I worked for years as self employed and got paid for what i sold ...... This company gives you £16,000 to give you a cushion whilst you have the opportunity to earn more
CV in the Bin Time again please get real!
So if you chuck your CV in the bin after reading the negative cr@p on here i feel sorry for you.
.
[quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IMSLTD[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive. I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year. I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody. The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres. I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee. Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude. I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?[/p][/quote]16000 pa gross is 13400 pa net which is 1116 per month which is 257 a week which is 6.44 an hour . And you have the cheek to advertise this as an executive position then wonder why nobody that has a mortgage or kids applies? Again I ask you could you live on this salary? People were being paid this for sweeping up 20 years ago it's a bloody disgrace.[/p][/quote]No you are NOT supposed to "live" on this salary. . Thats where commission comes in ........ They want you to ( I assume ) sell something ...... then you earn more. . Do you understand what "selling" is all about. . I worked for years as self employed and got paid for what i sold ...... This company gives you £16,000 to give you a cushion whilst you have the opportunity to earn more[/p][/quote]CV in the Bin Time again please get real![/p][/quote]So if you chuck your CV in the bin after reading the negative cr@p on here i feel sorry for you. . Lone Ranger.

7:00pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Torchie1 says...

LeapingCat wrote:
Don't think he mentioned 70 hours a week. Not sure where that came from....
Southy's 'facts' come entirely from his fevered imagination and when challenged over them he just changes the subject to something even more obscure.
[quote][p][bold]LeapingCat[/bold] wrote: Don't think he mentioned 70 hours a week. Not sure where that came from....[/p][/quote]Southy's 'facts' come entirely from his fevered imagination and when challenged over them he just changes the subject to something even more obscure. Torchie1

7:21pm Thu 30 Jan 14

KSO16R says...

Half the people on here complaining about the workshy brits and endorsing this 'business mans' rights to go to romania and recruit staff will be complaining about the 'foreigners' over running the country next week. Listen to yourselves : ))
Half the people on here complaining about the workshy brits and endorsing this 'business mans' rights to go to romania and recruit staff will be complaining about the 'foreigners' over running the country next week. Listen to yourselves : )) KSO16R

8:16pm Thu 30 Jan 14

LeapingCat says...

KSO16R wrote:
Half the people on here complaining about the workshy brits and endorsing this 'business mans' rights to go to romania and recruit staff will be complaining about the 'foreigners' over running the country next week. Listen to yourselves : ))
If people don't reply to his adverts, what do you suggest he does? He seems to be offering a fair rate but nobody applies. Think the argument is more about 'what are the unemployed here doing to find work' rather than him going to Romania?
[quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Half the people on here complaining about the workshy brits and endorsing this 'business mans' rights to go to romania and recruit staff will be complaining about the 'foreigners' over running the country next week. Listen to yourselves : ))[/p][/quote]If people don't reply to his adverts, what do you suggest he does? He seems to be offering a fair rate but nobody applies. Think the argument is more about 'what are the unemployed here doing to find work' rather than him going to Romania? LeapingCat

9:12pm Thu 30 Jan 14

loosehead says...

I honestly believe there has to be a way where if your on welfare & your capable of working then you should take jobs like this & if it means your money gets subsidised so be it but only if there's no way you can increase your take home pay say by earning good commission o doing overtime.
I've looked at properties on Homebid many houses are about £75 a week some go up to £100 a week but this comes with the added bonus you haven't got to pay for repairs unlike a private home so £300 - £400 a month rent & then £118 council tax =£418-£518 add gas & electric plus food & what £1,000 a month ?
the threshold of paying tax is now £10,000 so its £1200 tax on £16,000=£14800 I don't know how much NI you'll pay but you'll have at least £13,000 a year plus any commission you earn so how much does Welfare pay compared to these figures?
I honestly believe there has to be a way where if your on welfare & your capable of working then you should take jobs like this & if it means your money gets subsidised so be it but only if there's no way you can increase your take home pay say by earning good commission o doing overtime. I've looked at properties on Homebid many houses are about £75 a week some go up to £100 a week but this comes with the added bonus you haven't got to pay for repairs unlike a private home so £300 - £400 a month rent & then £118 council tax =£418-£518 add gas & electric plus food & what £1,000 a month ? the threshold of paying tax is now £10,000 so its £1200 tax on £16,000=£14800 I don't know how much NI you'll pay but you'll have at least £13,000 a year plus any commission you earn so how much does Welfare pay compared to these figures? loosehead

9:21pm Thu 30 Jan 14

sotonbusdriver says...

Maybe he needs to look at the job itself..
Telesales and Marketing is a S**T job,
Making unwanted un-solicited calls to people, who don't want to be bothered by these telesales companies.
Then the home owner give mouth to he telesales for annoying them,,, With the telesales, having a forced conversion target to meet for their Company or else their job is at risk..
I would rather, starve and live penniless on the streets than do telesales thank you... Many others feel exactly the same..
Maybe he needs to look at the job itself.. Telesales and Marketing is a S**T job, Making unwanted un-solicited calls to people, who don't want to be bothered by these telesales companies. Then the home owner give mouth to he telesales for annoying them,,, With the telesales, having a forced conversion target to meet for their Company or else their job is at risk.. I would rather, starve and live penniless on the streets than do telesales thank you... Many others feel exactly the same.. sotonbusdriver

9:25pm Thu 30 Jan 14

loosehead says...

sotonbusdriver wrote:
Maybe he needs to look at the job itself..
Telesales and Marketing is a S**T job,
Making unwanted un-solicited calls to people, who don't want to be bothered by these telesales companies.
Then the home owner give mouth to he telesales for annoying them,,, With the telesales, having a forced conversion target to meet for their Company or else their job is at risk..
I would rather, starve and live penniless on the streets than do telesales thank you... Many others feel exactly the same..
I'll admit I put the phone down on them but has this guy said what the target sales are?
some one out there must be talking to them & signing up otherwise why would companies think it's worth it?
[quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: Maybe he needs to look at the job itself.. Telesales and Marketing is a S**T job, Making unwanted un-solicited calls to people, who don't want to be bothered by these telesales companies. Then the home owner give mouth to he telesales for annoying them,,, With the telesales, having a forced conversion target to meet for their Company or else their job is at risk.. I would rather, starve and live penniless on the streets than do telesales thank you... Many others feel exactly the same..[/p][/quote]I'll admit I put the phone down on them but has this guy said what the target sales are? some one out there must be talking to them & signing up otherwise why would companies think it's worth it? loosehead

11:08pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Jesus_02 says...

elvisimo wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Mr Harris, who won’t divulge the salary but said it was well above the minimum wage, said: “I haven’t booked my flight to Romania but it’s what I’m contemplating, and if I have to fly there I will.”
.
Well in actual fact i think this guy was on Radio Solent this morning and stated that the starting wage was £16,000 ...... £20k on target and about £24k with additional bonuses. In addition he stated that he had an employee earning £32k.
.
So the comments above about "greedy little man" ... "Same old story, you want to pay peanuts and use the Romanian cheap labour to your advantage" ........... are from the usual illinformed muppets.
yep but it suits their narrow viewpoints. I agree with him, get people who want to work, want to start a career. A large proportion of our unemployed could learn a lot from the work ethic of or European neighbours.
The generation who thought it was ok to not bother with education and qualifications now moan that they don't want menial low paid jobs - tough. Get of your a rse and start somewhere. You don't have some god given right to a well paid job, especially if you are qualified to do nothing.
I hope you fall on hard times... i really do.

Your generation stood by while our country was sold from under us and now you turn round and try to lecture people about education and hard work. I hope you have your house repossessed and end up paying 4/5 of your wage to someone that had god given "the right" to buy .

I want this not because I want you to carry on paying your way well into your 70s but because as you do I want you to look up at people (like you) that look down on others and realise what a self righteous moron you really are
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Mr Harris, who won’t divulge the salary but said it was well above the minimum wage, said: “I haven’t booked my flight to Romania but it’s what I’m contemplating, and if I have to fly there I will.” . Well in actual fact i think this guy was on Radio Solent this morning and stated that the starting wage was £16,000 ...... £20k on target and about £24k with additional bonuses. In addition he stated that he had an employee earning £32k. . So the comments above about "greedy little man" ... "Same old story, you want to pay peanuts and use the Romanian cheap labour to your advantage" ........... are from the usual illinformed muppets.[/p][/quote]yep but it suits their narrow viewpoints. I agree with him, get people who want to work, want to start a career. A large proportion of our unemployed could learn a lot from the work ethic of or European neighbours. The generation who thought it was ok to not bother with education and qualifications now moan that they don't want menial low paid jobs - tough. Get of your a rse and start somewhere. You don't have some god given right to a well paid job, especially if you are qualified to do nothing.[/p][/quote]I hope you fall on hard times... i really do. Your generation stood by while our country was sold from under us and now you turn round and try to lecture people about education and hard work. I hope you have your house repossessed and end up paying 4/5 of your wage to someone that had god given "the right" to buy . I want this not because I want you to carry on paying your way well into your 70s but because as you do I want you to look up at people (like you) that look down on others and realise what a self righteous moron you really are Jesus_02

11:35pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Jesus_02 says...

IMSLTD wrote:
Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive.

I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year.

I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody.

The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres.

I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee.

Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude.

I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?
While you are in Romania you could probably do with picking up a wife (or whatever). Might give you someone to talk to
[quote][p][bold]IMSLTD[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive. I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year. I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody. The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres. I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee. Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude. I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?[/p][/quote]While you are in Romania you could probably do with picking up a wife (or whatever). Might give you someone to talk to Jesus_02

12:14am Fri 31 Jan 14

LeapingCat says...

What ridiculous comments! I'm not even going to bother with this thread anymore! The guy is right. Lots of excuses from people Bout why the job is not right blah blah blah. Small wonder he's lost faith with finding British workers! If you heard the interview on radio Solent this morning you would know that the job is business to business calling not calling house holders, and that much of it is inbound calls not cold calling. I wasn't sure I agree with the guy before now but by golly I can see what he's talking About now! British people think they have a god given right to work even if they cant be bothered to apply! Ps: I had no idea there was so many nasty, vindictive people around! How can you wish someone has their house repossessed when all they're doing is trying to find employees for jobs British people don't want? He's paying better than minimum wage and nobody applied? Guess he deserves to have his house repossessed because of that! Moron!!!
What ridiculous comments! I'm not even going to bother with this thread anymore! The guy is right. Lots of excuses from people Bout why the job is not right blah blah blah. Small wonder he's lost faith with finding British workers! If you heard the interview on radio Solent this morning you would know that the job is business to business calling not calling house holders, and that much of it is inbound calls not cold calling. I wasn't sure I agree with the guy before now but by golly I can see what he's talking About now! British people think they have a god given right to work even if they cant be bothered to apply! Ps: I had no idea there was so many nasty, vindictive people around! How can you wish someone has their house repossessed when all they're doing is trying to find employees for jobs British people don't want? He's paying better than minimum wage and nobody applied? Guess he deserves to have his house repossessed because of that! Moron!!! LeapingCat

8:16am Fri 31 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Mr Harris, who won’t divulge the salary but said it was well above the minimum wage, said: “I haven’t booked my flight to Romania but it’s what I’m contemplating, and if I have to fly there I will.”
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Well in actual fact i think this guy was on Radio Solent this morning and stated that the starting wage was £16,000 ...... £20k on target and about £24k with additional bonuses. In addition he stated that he had an employee earning £32k.
.
So the comments above about "greedy little man" ... "Same old story, you want to pay peanuts and use the Romanian cheap labour to your advantage" ........... are from the usual illinformed muppets.
yep but it suits their narrow viewpoints. I agree with him, get people who want to work, want to start a career. A large proportion of our unemployed could learn a lot from the work ethic of or European neighbours.
The generation who thought it was ok to not bother with education and qualifications now moan that they don't want menial low paid jobs - tough. Get of your a rse and start somewhere. You don't have some god given right to a well paid job, especially if you are qualified to do nothing.
I hope you fall on hard times... i really do.

Your generation stood by while our country was sold from under us and now you turn round and try to lecture people about education and hard work. I hope you have your house repossessed and end up paying 4/5 of your wage to someone that had god given "the right" to buy .

I want this not because I want you to carry on paying your way well into your 70s but because as you do I want you to look up at people (like you) that look down on others and realise what a self righteous moron you really are
I am 57 & I voted against the Common market at no time was I ever given the vote on joining the EU so how did I stand by whilst the country was sold from under us?
was I suppose to riot?
This job as I've just read isn't cold calling so sotonbusdriver & a few others were wrong about it so come on would you apply for such a job?
OH! when I was younger the welfare/dole payments were so low you took any job rather than be on the dole
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Mr Harris, who won’t divulge the salary but said it was well above the minimum wage, said: “I haven’t booked my flight to Romania but it’s what I’m contemplating, and if I have to fly there I will.” . Well in actual fact i think this guy was on Radio Solent this morning and stated that the starting wage was £16,000 ...... £20k on target and about £24k with additional bonuses. In addition he stated that he had an employee earning £32k. . So the comments above about "greedy little man" ... "Same old story, you want to pay peanuts and use the Romanian cheap labour to your advantage" ........... are from the usual illinformed muppets.[/p][/quote]yep but it suits their narrow viewpoints. I agree with him, get people who want to work, want to start a career. A large proportion of our unemployed could learn a lot from the work ethic of or European neighbours. The generation who thought it was ok to not bother with education and qualifications now moan that they don't want menial low paid jobs - tough. Get of your a rse and start somewhere. You don't have some god given right to a well paid job, especially if you are qualified to do nothing.[/p][/quote]I hope you fall on hard times... i really do. Your generation stood by while our country was sold from under us and now you turn round and try to lecture people about education and hard work. I hope you have your house repossessed and end up paying 4/5 of your wage to someone that had god given "the right" to buy . I want this not because I want you to carry on paying your way well into your 70s but because as you do I want you to look up at people (like you) that look down on others and realise what a self righteous moron you really are[/p][/quote]I am 57 & I voted against the Common market at no time was I ever given the vote on joining the EU so how did I stand by whilst the country was sold from under us? was I suppose to riot? This job as I've just read isn't cold calling so sotonbusdriver & a few others were wrong about it so come on would you apply for such a job? OH! when I was younger the welfare/dole payments were so low you took any job rather than be on the dole loosehead

11:50am Fri 31 Jan 14

bluecougar says...

IMSLTD wrote:
Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive.

I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year.

I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody.

The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres.

I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee.

Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude.

I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?
First of all, I don't meet your criteria as I have never done telesales etc so I wouldn't even be considered , secondly please don't label every job seeker as 'not being bothered', believe me I have 'bothered' to find work, I am in my mid fifties and for the first time in my life have had to claim JSA, I have done many jobs just to keep a roof over my head and food on my table, I reply to many adverts usually online as I think agencies are a waste of time, many firms can't even be 'bothered' to reply to me to let me know whether they have received my C.V. or don't want to take a phone call when I enquire as to whether there are any vacancies or just completely ignore my application. It works both ways, but to put everyone under the same umbrella of not wanting to work is an insult to those of us that do, the lack of response is maybe because there aren't that many Sales Executives out there that are unemployed or people who don't have the necessary skills, but that doesn't mean that there are people who don't want to work..
[quote][p][bold]IMSLTD[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive. I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year. I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody. The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres. I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee. Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude. I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?[/p][/quote]First of all, I don't meet your criteria as I have never done telesales etc so I wouldn't even be considered , secondly please don't label every job seeker as 'not being bothered', believe me I have 'bothered' to find work, I am in my mid fifties and for the first time in my life have had to claim JSA, I have done many jobs just to keep a roof over my head and food on my table, I reply to many adverts usually online as I think agencies are a waste of time, many firms can't even be 'bothered' to reply to me to let me know whether they have received my C.V. or don't want to take a phone call when I enquire as to whether there are any vacancies or just completely ignore my application. It works both ways, but to put everyone under the same umbrella of not wanting to work is an insult to those of us that do, the lack of response is maybe because there aren't that many Sales Executives out there that are unemployed or people who don't have the necessary skills, but that doesn't mean that there are people who don't want to work.. bluecougar

12:01am Sat 1 Feb 14

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
southy wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Why don't you divulge the wage then we can have a sensible discussion, what he means is he cant find people to work for a non living wage who have to pay proper rent and not hotbed 12 to a house. He should ask himself if he could live on the wage offered or not?
He only willing to pay low wage, and short term contracts and long hours
Ps starting wage £16,000 a year for a 70 hour week
I take back me being willing to work for him if that's the case. :-/
Ginger where does it say 70hour week? isn't it illegal to work those hours under EU laws? I know at BAT we had to sign a paper to be able to work the overtime we did.
I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year.
I don't know where Southy got the figure of 70 hours but why not go to this website?
I posted this morning and said I had applied for their position and sent in my CV, I also see some are looking for the website of the company, I found them here www.ims-group.co.uk
See what they're offering?
Loose don't you meet people or talk to the right people, he can't get local people to work for him, because word got around very fast what the job was like, Truvox had the same sort of a bad name back in the late 80's poor pay long hours, even the union is aware of it and know his workers have to take work home with them just to try and get to the quota, there is no over time its a salary wage of £16, 000.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Why don't you divulge the wage then we can have a sensible discussion, what he means is he cant find people to work for a non living wage who have to pay proper rent and not hotbed 12 to a house. He should ask himself if he could live on the wage offered or not?[/p][/quote]He only willing to pay low wage, and short term contracts and long hours[/p][/quote]Ps starting wage £16,000 a year for a 70 hour week[/p][/quote]I take back me being willing to work for him if that's the case. :-/[/p][/quote]Ginger where does it say 70hour week? isn't it illegal to work those hours under EU laws? I know at BAT we had to sign a paper to be able to work the overtime we did. I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year. I don't know where Southy got the figure of 70 hours but why not go to this website? I posted this morning and said I had applied for their position and sent in my CV, I also see some are looking for the website of the company, I found them here www.ims-group.co.uk See what they're offering?[/p][/quote]Loose don't you meet people or talk to the right people, he can't get local people to work for him, because word got around very fast what the job was like, Truvox had the same sort of a bad name back in the late 80's poor pay long hours, even the union is aware of it and know his workers have to take work home with them just to try and get to the quota, there is no over time its a salary wage of £16, 000. southy

7:58am Sat 1 Feb 14

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
southy wrote:
southy wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Why don't you divulge the wage then we can have a sensible discussion, what he means is he cant find people to work for a non living wage who have to pay proper rent and not hotbed 12 to a house. He should ask himself if he could live on the wage offered or not?
He only willing to pay low wage, and short term contracts and long hours
Ps starting wage £16,000 a year for a 70 hour week
I take back me being willing to work for him if that's the case. :-/
Ginger where does it say 70hour week? isn't it illegal to work those hours under EU laws? I know at BAT we had to sign a paper to be able to work the overtime we did.
I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year.
I don't know where Southy got the figure of 70 hours but why not go to this website?
I posted this morning and said I had applied for their position and sent in my CV, I also see some are looking for the website of the company, I found them here www.ims-group.co.uk
See what they're offering?
Loose don't you meet people or talk to the right people, he can't get local people to work for him, because word got around very fast what the job was like, Truvox had the same sort of a bad name back in the late 80's poor pay long hours, even the union is aware of it and know his workers have to take work home with them just to try and get to the quota, there is no over time its a salary wage of £16, 000.
saying that according to teachers this is no different from their working week is it?
Southy I use to work double shifts & at one point free to get the cost of a carton of fags down to below a £1 to ensure I had a job these people can work as long as they want if the basic salary isn't enough & they wish to increase their wages so in a way they get overtime in the increased take home pay through commission
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Why don't you divulge the wage then we can have a sensible discussion, what he means is he cant find people to work for a non living wage who have to pay proper rent and not hotbed 12 to a house. He should ask himself if he could live on the wage offered or not?[/p][/quote]He only willing to pay low wage, and short term contracts and long hours[/p][/quote]Ps starting wage £16,000 a year for a 70 hour week[/p][/quote]I take back me being willing to work for him if that's the case. :-/[/p][/quote]Ginger where does it say 70hour week? isn't it illegal to work those hours under EU laws? I know at BAT we had to sign a paper to be able to work the overtime we did. I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year. I don't know where Southy got the figure of 70 hours but why not go to this website? I posted this morning and said I had applied for their position and sent in my CV, I also see some are looking for the website of the company, I found them here www.ims-group.co.uk See what they're offering?[/p][/quote]Loose don't you meet people or talk to the right people, he can't get local people to work for him, because word got around very fast what the job was like, Truvox had the same sort of a bad name back in the late 80's poor pay long hours, even the union is aware of it and know his workers have to take work home with them just to try and get to the quota, there is no over time its a salary wage of £16, 000.[/p][/quote]saying that according to teachers this is no different from their working week is it? Southy I use to work double shifts & at one point free to get the cost of a carton of fags down to below a £1 to ensure I had a job these people can work as long as they want if the basic salary isn't enough & they wish to increase their wages so in a way they get overtime in the increased take home pay through commission loosehead

6:52pm Mon 3 Feb 14

wilsoncastaway says...

bluecougar wrote:
IMSLTD wrote:
Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive.

I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year.

I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody.

The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres.

I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee.

Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude.

I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?
First of all, I don't meet your criteria as I have never done telesales etc so I wouldn't even be considered , secondly please don't label every job seeker as 'not being bothered', believe me I have 'bothered' to find work, I am in my mid fifties and for the first time in my life have had to claim JSA, I have done many jobs just to keep a roof over my head and food on my table, I reply to many adverts usually online as I think agencies are a waste of time, many firms can't even be 'bothered' to reply to me to let me know whether they have received my C.V. or don't want to take a phone call when I enquire as to whether there are any vacancies or just completely ignore my application. It works both ways, but to put everyone under the same umbrella of not wanting to work is an insult to those of us that do, the lack of response is maybe because there aren't that many Sales Executives out there that are unemployed or people who don't have the necessary skills, but that doesn't mean that there are people who don't want to work..
Im in a similar position.Although my husband works full time I have been looking for a part time job.Ive been to interviews and the emphasis is on how flexible you are.As soon as I say I have three children I am no longer deemed suitable for the position.I have retail management experience.I can't even get a job on a checkout. 0 hour contracts should be scrapped, one week you could be working full time hours, next week only 4.Thats if your flexible enough if course.
[quote][p][bold]bluecougar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IMSLTD[/bold] wrote: Just to clarify some of the sweeping comments that have been made here: I am the Director in question. My company is an events and media company and the position is for a Sales Executive. I was never asked what the salary was by the reporter. It is £16+ + £4k OTE and uncapped commission which resulted in one of my employees earnng £32k in one year. I employ British workers of all ages and sexes and ethnic origins. I discriminate against nobody. The job was advertised extensively across Dorset and Hampshire through online jobsites, in the printed press and through the Job Centres. I had one response from somebdy who lacked the skills necessary and only got lots of enquiries from recruitment agencies who wanted to charge me £2k - £3k to introduce me to a prospective employee. Far from being a 'spineless little man' I'm a hard working British business man who rewards staff and has a happy motivated team who are well paid. The crying shame is British people seemingly can't be bothered nowadays to seek work so opportunities like mine go unnoticed. I was trying to illustrate that it's not good enough just to send your Cv to a recruitment agency and think that's the job done. Small businesses like myself often can't afford to use agencies so we advertise our positions, with little response. Employers like myself are forced to look elsewhere to people who really want to work and show the right attitude. I've given the British job-seeker the chance to apply for 4 months. Where are all these people in our country who are looking for work?[/p][/quote]First of all, I don't meet your criteria as I have never done telesales etc so I wouldn't even be considered , secondly please don't label every job seeker as 'not being bothered', believe me I have 'bothered' to find work, I am in my mid fifties and for the first time in my life have had to claim JSA, I have done many jobs just to keep a roof over my head and food on my table, I reply to many adverts usually online as I think agencies are a waste of time, many firms can't even be 'bothered' to reply to me to let me know whether they have received my C.V. or don't want to take a phone call when I enquire as to whether there are any vacancies or just completely ignore my application. It works both ways, but to put everyone under the same umbrella of not wanting to work is an insult to those of us that do, the lack of response is maybe because there aren't that many Sales Executives out there that are unemployed or people who don't have the necessary skills, but that doesn't mean that there are people who don't want to work..[/p][/quote]Im in a similar position.Although my husband works full time I have been looking for a part time job.Ive been to interviews and the emphasis is on how flexible you are.As soon as I say I have three children I am no longer deemed suitable for the position.I have retail management experience.I can't even get a job on a checkout. 0 hour contracts should be scrapped, one week you could be working full time hours, next week only 4.Thats if your flexible enough if course. wilsoncastaway

6:59pm Mon 3 Feb 14

wilsoncastaway says...

And while im on the subject...Ive actually given in my cv to alot of stores or supermarkets only to be told :sorry you have to apply online.Its so impersonal.Ok I go home apply online, takes a good hour as the website usually crashes or wont accept my postcode. ..then nothing ..no sorry but you are not sucessful..nothing.
And while im on the subject...Ive actually given in my cv to alot of stores or supermarkets only to be told :sorry you have to apply online.Its so impersonal.Ok I go home apply online, takes a good hour as the website usually crashes or wont accept my postcode. ..then nothing ..no sorry but you are not sucessful..nothing. wilsoncastaway

9:23pm Mon 3 Feb 14

loosehead says...

wilsoncastaway wrote:
And while im on the subject...Ive actually given in my cv to alot of stores or supermarkets only to be told :sorry you have to apply online.Its so impersonal.Ok I go home apply online, takes a good hour as the website usually crashes or wont accept my postcode. ..then nothing ..no sorry but you are not sucessful..nothing.
i get a company pension but wanted to increase my money so applied for a low paid job because I haven't worked for a while they weren't going to give me a job(online Sainsbury's) but I filled out the application again & put down the voluntary work I'd done ( going into schools coaching Rugby for free) & I got it but because of my pension after tax & NI stamp I was lucky to take home £600 a month for a 39 hour Night Shift working on the week ends.
I could survive quite easily with out it so I quit as they treated the night shift staff like dirt & for £150 a week it just wasn't worth it
[quote][p][bold]wilsoncastaway[/bold] wrote: And while im on the subject...Ive actually given in my cv to alot of stores or supermarkets only to be told :sorry you have to apply online.Its so impersonal.Ok I go home apply online, takes a good hour as the website usually crashes or wont accept my postcode. ..then nothing ..no sorry but you are not sucessful..nothing.[/p][/quote]i get a company pension but wanted to increase my money so applied for a low paid job because I haven't worked for a while they weren't going to give me a job(online Sainsbury's) but I filled out the application again & put down the voluntary work I'd done ( going into schools coaching Rugby for free) & I got it but because of my pension after tax & NI stamp I was lucky to take home £600 a month for a 39 hour Night Shift working on the week ends. I could survive quite easily with out it so I quit as they treated the night shift staff like dirt & for £150 a week it just wasn't worth it loosehead

2:35pm Tue 4 Feb 14

johnyy_teo@yahoo.com says...

Sir , Jason Harris I loked for your mail but I dont finded it, If you dont mind please give me your mail address to send my cv .
I am interested for your offer.
sincerly , Ioan Dolhescu , ,,Johny,, Romania
0040753103879
johnyy_teo@yahoo.com
Sir , Jason Harris I loked for your mail but I dont finded it, If you dont mind please give me your mail address to send my cv . I am interested for your offer. sincerly , Ioan Dolhescu , ,,Johny,, Romania 0040753103879 johnyy_teo@yahoo.com johnyy_teo@yahoo.com

4:48pm Wed 5 Feb 14

LadySam says...

'I have to go to Romania to get staff' Yes of course you do, mate - to get people willing to work for a pittance so you have a bigger profit margin. No wonder this country is in a mess.
'I have to go to Romania to get staff' Yes of course you do, mate - to get people willing to work for a pittance so you have a bigger profit margin. No wonder this country is in a mess. LadySam

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