Minister for Portsmouth 'a political stunt' says Southampton Itchen MP John Denham

Spinnaker Tower in Portsmouth

Spinnaker Tower in Portsmouth

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Parliamentary Correspondent

JOHN Denham is calling for the Minister for Portsmouth to fight for jobs for Southampton as well – or be dismissed as a “political stunt”.

The Itchen MP says business chiefs are baffled by the appointment, when the two cities are effectively “one economy”, with growing links.

Now Mr Denham has written to David Cameron to urge him to expand the role of Michael Fallon, the man appointed to be Minister for Portsmouth, two weeks ago.

And he said: “I’ve been talking to business leaders and there’s a very strong feeling that what we need is a minister to look at the economy of the whole of the Solent area.

“There’s a worry that this is being done because the Government – which is closing the Portsmouth shipyard and taking work to Glasgow – needs to be seen to do something.

“But it’s one economy these days, from Portsmouth across to Southampton, from one end of the M27 to the other and the places along it.

“Also, 400 of the people losing their jobs at the shipyard have Southampton postcodes and we have had major job losses at Ford, as well.

“If this idea is serious, and not just a political stunt, we need to create the opportunity for job creation in Southampton as well.”

Michael Fallon, the Conservative business minister, has been sent to Portsmouth on a mission to help the city recover from the loss of 1,000 shipbuilding jobs.

The move had echoes of 1981, when Margaret Thatcher sent Michael Heseltine to Liverpool to lead a programme of urban regeneration following the Toxteth riots.

But the prime minister came under fire after it emerged he had explicitly rejected similar special help for |the north east, England’s poorest region.

Meanwhile, the idea was also panned from within the Cabinet for a different reason, |when Business Secretary Vince Cable branded it “tokenism”.

But Mr Cable, a Liberal Democrat, said: “I’m the real minister for Portsmouth. I go there, I |talk to the |city council| and the local enterprise partnership.”

In opposition, Mr Cameron pledged to appoint a string of “city ministers”, to replace Labour’s regional ministers, but the idea was quickly dropped.

The prime minister strongly defended Mr Fallon’s remit, telling MPs: “The appointment of a Minister for Portsmouth will make a big difference.

“It is good news that the youth claimant count has fallen so quickly in Portsmouth, but we must stick to the economic plan and keep delivering for Portsmouth.”

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5:55am Fri 31 Jan 14

Home Rule for England says...

How about we have a Minister for England with the same clout as Alex Salmond, Scotland's First Minister? Then England might not lose jobs to Scotland in the first place!
How about we have a Minister for England with the same clout as Alex Salmond, Scotland's First Minister? Then England might not lose jobs to Scotland in the first place! Home Rule for England
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7:45am Fri 31 Jan 14

Dai Rear says...

Though gritted teeth I have to say that the SDP-Liberals, whatever they are , and the socialist party are right.. Of course it's a gimmick. But then ALL politicians know right well that all that kind of stuff is a gimmick. The State is not capable of doing good. The nearest the State can ever get to doing good is by refraining from doing bad things. In this case the bad thing was giving a bung to North of the Border to persuade those who live there that they'd be better off with the status quo. They would, but it's nothing to do with bungs. Petty nationalism is rubbish as anyone like me who visited the workless, bankrupt, priest-ruled Irish Republic in the 1950's can testify.
Though gritted teeth I have to say that the SDP-Liberals, whatever they are , and the socialist party are right.. Of course it's a gimmick. But then ALL politicians know right well that all that kind of stuff is a gimmick. The State is not capable of doing good. The nearest the State can ever get to doing good is by refraining from doing bad things. In this case the bad thing was giving a bung to North of the Border to persuade those who live there that they'd be better off with the status quo. They would, but it's nothing to do with bungs. Petty nationalism is rubbish as anyone like me who visited the workless, bankrupt, priest-ruled Irish Republic in the 1950's can testify. Dai Rear
  • Score: 0

7:54am Fri 31 Jan 14

George4th says...

Mr Denham and Mr Whitehead did nothing for Southampton while in government so why bleat about it now?

Come to think of it, Labour did nothing for anyone while in government except to bankrupt UK Plc!
Mr Denham and Mr Whitehead did nothing for Southampton while in government so why bleat about it now? Come to think of it, Labour did nothing for anyone while in government except to bankrupt UK Plc! George4th
  • Score: 5

8:06am Fri 31 Jan 14

Linesman says...

John Denham is correct.

Portsmouth is represented by TWO Members of Parliament, one is a former Lib Dem, now Independent, and the other a Tory, so what have they been doing?

One appears to be concentrating on a personal legal battle, while the other has considered that training for a TV stunt, away from the city, to be more important.

Cameron was slow to act on Portsmouth's problems, and when he eventually decided to do something about it, and create a 'Minister for Portsmouth', it took his appointment more than three weeks to visit the City.

We have a similar situation in Somerset, where some villages have been cut off by the flooding for more than a month, and it is only in the past couple of days that the government have taken any action.

Last night on TV we saw troops in the area, surveying the scene, but there was a total absence of any military equipment to assist those flood victims.

So much for this government's 'positive action'!

Too little, too late!
John Denham is correct. Portsmouth is represented by TWO Members of Parliament, one is a former Lib Dem, now Independent, and the other a Tory, so what have they been doing? One appears to be concentrating on a personal legal battle, while the other has considered that training for a TV stunt, away from the city, to be more important. Cameron was slow to act on Portsmouth's problems, and when he eventually decided to do something about it, and create a 'Minister for Portsmouth', it took his appointment more than three weeks to visit the City. We have a similar situation in Somerset, where some villages have been cut off by the flooding for more than a month, and it is only in the past couple of days that the government have taken any action. Last night on TV we saw troops in the area, surveying the scene, but there was a total absence of any military equipment to assist those flood victims. So much for this government's 'positive action'! Too little, too late! Linesman
  • Score: 0

8:25am Fri 31 Jan 14

FoysCornerBoy says...

Linesman wrote:
John Denham is correct.

Portsmouth is represented by TWO Members of Parliament, one is a former Lib Dem, now Independent, and the other a Tory, so what have they been doing?

One appears to be concentrating on a personal legal battle, while the other has considered that training for a TV stunt, away from the city, to be more important.

Cameron was slow to act on Portsmouth's problems, and when he eventually decided to do something about it, and create a 'Minister for Portsmouth', it took his appointment more than three weeks to visit the City.

We have a similar situation in Somerset, where some villages have been cut off by the flooding for more than a month, and it is only in the past couple of days that the government have taken any action.

Last night on TV we saw troops in the area, surveying the scene, but there was a total absence of any military equipment to assist those flood victims.

So much for this government's 'positive action'!

Too little, too late!
I totally agree. Portsmouth could be better represented than they are currently with their local MPs Penny Mordaunt and Mike Hancock.

Southampton and Portsmouth Councils are parties to a unique City Deal and they are both members of the Partnership for Urban South Hampshire and Solent Local Economic Partnership so it might have made more sense to get a minister for our region as a whole. Michael Heseltine would have made an ideal choice for this role as he would have been acceptable to most Tories (with the possible exception of wannabe Sean Woodward) and I'm sure the other mainstream political parties could have gone along with this.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: John Denham is correct. Portsmouth is represented by TWO Members of Parliament, one is a former Lib Dem, now Independent, and the other a Tory, so what have they been doing? One appears to be concentrating on a personal legal battle, while the other has considered that training for a TV stunt, away from the city, to be more important. Cameron was slow to act on Portsmouth's problems, and when he eventually decided to do something about it, and create a 'Minister for Portsmouth', it took his appointment more than three weeks to visit the City. We have a similar situation in Somerset, where some villages have been cut off by the flooding for more than a month, and it is only in the past couple of days that the government have taken any action. Last night on TV we saw troops in the area, surveying the scene, but there was a total absence of any military equipment to assist those flood victims. So much for this government's 'positive action'! Too little, too late![/p][/quote]I totally agree. Portsmouth could be better represented than they are currently with their local MPs Penny Mordaunt and Mike Hancock. Southampton and Portsmouth Councils are parties to a unique City Deal and they are both members of the Partnership for Urban South Hampshire and Solent Local Economic Partnership so it might have made more sense to get a minister for our region as a whole. Michael Heseltine would have made an ideal choice for this role as he would have been acceptable to most Tories (with the possible exception of wannabe Sean Woodward) and I'm sure the other mainstream political parties could have gone along with this. FoysCornerBoy
  • Score: 5

8:42am Fri 31 Jan 14

loosehead says...

How unbelievable? I watch Priministers question time every week on the daily politics show when have Denham or Whitehead ever asked a question? when have they stood up & asked for help for Southampton? NEVER.
but I've seen Penny Mordaunt argue time after time for financial aid & last time trying to get new ships built at Portsmouth.
I've also seen Caroline Noakes argue for job creation for this city but again I watch it every week & not one question from our Labour MP's so surely we'd be better off with a Tory & not a lame duck Labour MP?
OH! is Denham saying Solent City is a step closer?
when the two cities are effectively “one economy”, with growing links.
one economy isn't that far removed from one city is it?
we have unfortunately two Labour MP's so why aren't they up fighting at every PMQ's for this city?
Why should a minister for Portsmouth create jobs for Southampton?
Maybe if our Labour MP's had fought as hard as Penny Mordaunt has for Portsmouth after BAT shut after Martini's shut & after Fords had shut we'd have had extra finances & a Minister to try to create jobs for this city?
I'm not a Portsmouth resident but in Penny Mordaunt they have an MP they can be proud of she did a show & all monies went to charity yet some on here are knocking her? WELL DONE Penny Mordaunt is all as a Southampton resident I can say!
How unbelievable? I watch Priministers question time every week on the daily politics show when have Denham or Whitehead ever asked a question? when have they stood up & asked for help for Southampton? NEVER. but I've seen Penny Mordaunt argue time after time for financial aid & last time trying to get new ships built at Portsmouth. I've also seen Caroline Noakes argue for job creation for this city but again I watch it every week & not one question from our Labour MP's so surely we'd be better off with a Tory & not a lame duck Labour MP? OH! is Denham saying Solent City is a step closer? when the two cities are effectively “one economy”, with growing links. one economy isn't that far removed from one city is it? we have unfortunately two Labour MP's so why aren't they up fighting at every PMQ's for this city? Why should a minister for Portsmouth create jobs for Southampton? Maybe if our Labour MP's had fought as hard as Penny Mordaunt has for Portsmouth after BAT shut after Martini's shut & after Fords had shut we'd have had extra finances & a Minister to try to create jobs for this city? I'm not a Portsmouth resident but in Penny Mordaunt they have an MP they can be proud of she did a show & all monies went to charity yet some on here are knocking her? WELL DONE Penny Mordaunt is all as a Southampton resident I can say! loosehead
  • Score: 3

8:51am Fri 31 Jan 14

Dai Rear says...

FoysCornerBoy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
John Denham is correct.

Portsmouth is represented by TWO Members of Parliament, one is a former Lib Dem, now Independent, and the other a Tory, so what have they been doing?

One appears to be concentrating on a personal legal battle, while the other has considered that training for a TV stunt, away from the city, to be more important.

Cameron was slow to act on Portsmouth's problems, and when he eventually decided to do something about it, and create a 'Minister for Portsmouth', it took his appointment more than three weeks to visit the City.

We have a similar situation in Somerset, where some villages have been cut off by the flooding for more than a month, and it is only in the past couple of days that the government have taken any action.

Last night on TV we saw troops in the area, surveying the scene, but there was a total absence of any military equipment to assist those flood victims.

So much for this government's 'positive action'!

Too little, too late!
I totally agree. Portsmouth could be better represented than they are currently with their local MPs Penny Mordaunt and Mike Hancock.

Southampton and Portsmouth Councils are parties to a unique City Deal and they are both members of the Partnership for Urban South Hampshire and Solent Local Economic Partnership so it might have made more sense to get a minister for our region as a whole. Michael Heseltine would have made an ideal choice for this role as he would have been acceptable to most Tories (with the possible exception of wannabe Sean Woodward) and I'm sure the other mainstream political parties could have gone along with this.
Heseltine is a Europhiliac who , at the behest of the Berlin- Paris Axis destroyed the viable remnants of our coal industry several years after the miners' strike so, no, at least half of our party members would like him to disappear.
Not sure about the Woodward reference. You mean the turncoat for W. Oxon who defected to the socialists and was rewarded with Ulster Secretary? Son in law (of course) to Socialist Sainsbury? At least he deserved the graveyard job at Ulster.
[quote][p][bold]FoysCornerBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: John Denham is correct. Portsmouth is represented by TWO Members of Parliament, one is a former Lib Dem, now Independent, and the other a Tory, so what have they been doing? One appears to be concentrating on a personal legal battle, while the other has considered that training for a TV stunt, away from the city, to be more important. Cameron was slow to act on Portsmouth's problems, and when he eventually decided to do something about it, and create a 'Minister for Portsmouth', it took his appointment more than three weeks to visit the City. We have a similar situation in Somerset, where some villages have been cut off by the flooding for more than a month, and it is only in the past couple of days that the government have taken any action. Last night on TV we saw troops in the area, surveying the scene, but there was a total absence of any military equipment to assist those flood victims. So much for this government's 'positive action'! Too little, too late![/p][/quote]I totally agree. Portsmouth could be better represented than they are currently with their local MPs Penny Mordaunt and Mike Hancock. Southampton and Portsmouth Councils are parties to a unique City Deal and they are both members of the Partnership for Urban South Hampshire and Solent Local Economic Partnership so it might have made more sense to get a minister for our region as a whole. Michael Heseltine would have made an ideal choice for this role as he would have been acceptable to most Tories (with the possible exception of wannabe Sean Woodward) and I'm sure the other mainstream political parties could have gone along with this.[/p][/quote]Heseltine is a Europhiliac who , at the behest of the Berlin- Paris Axis destroyed the viable remnants of our coal industry several years after the miners' strike so, no, at least half of our party members would like him to disappear. Not sure about the Woodward reference. You mean the turncoat for W. Oxon who defected to the socialists and was rewarded with Ulster Secretary? Son in law (of course) to Socialist Sainsbury? At least he deserved the graveyard job at Ulster. Dai Rear
  • Score: -3

9:08am Fri 31 Jan 14

redsnapper says...

One can only marvel at the stupidity of all politicians everywhere. All they do is talk total **** and do absolutely nothing. Our country is a mess, our cities are a mess and all they do is sit around in meetings , scratching their derrieres and doing their expenses.

And us stupid taxpayers pay for it.
One can only marvel at the stupidity of all politicians everywhere. All they do is talk total **** and do absolutely nothing. Our country is a mess, our cities are a mess and all they do is sit around in meetings , scratching their derrieres and doing their expenses. And us stupid taxpayers pay for it. redsnapper
  • Score: 0

9:14am Fri 31 Jan 14

St Retford says...

Hey, I tell you what, shall we use this story as a platform to air all our right-wing prejudices whether they have any relevance to the story or not? Sweet. Let's crack on:

How DARE John Denham talk about Southampton when it was HIS communist government that signed up to allow millions of refugees from Bulgaria and Romania to flood the streets and claim free council houses and take all our jobs and benefits when there are good Christian white people who have paid into the NHS all their lives only to see these asylum seekers come in specifically to have babies and the sort of free medical care they can only dream about in their own country. Futhermore, it's time the NHS needs dismantling anyway because that's just socialist hogwash and we'd all be better off going to BUPA in any event. Erm, anyone remember the 1970s? They found SLEEPING BAGS on the shop floor at Leyland cars because the unions made it impossible to sack people who were asleep. And music! Music was better in the olden days (even though everything was rubbish before Maggie Thatcher came along) because you could hear the words. And... and... Oh WHY CAN'T EVERYTHING JUST BE LIKE IT IS IN THE VICAR OF DIBLEY?
Hey, I tell you what, shall we use this story as a platform to air all our right-wing prejudices whether they have any relevance to the story or not? Sweet. Let's crack on: How DARE John Denham talk about Southampton when it was HIS communist government that signed up to allow millions of refugees from Bulgaria and Romania to flood the streets and claim free council houses and take all our jobs and benefits when there are good Christian white people who have paid into the NHS all their lives only to see these asylum seekers come in specifically to have babies and the sort of free medical care they can only dream about in their own country. Futhermore, it's time the NHS needs dismantling anyway because that's just socialist hogwash and we'd all be better off going to BUPA in any event. Erm, anyone remember the 1970s? They found SLEEPING BAGS on the shop floor at Leyland cars because the unions made it impossible to sack people who were asleep. And music! Music was better in the olden days (even though everything was rubbish before Maggie Thatcher came along) because you could hear the words. And... and... Oh WHY CAN'T EVERYTHING JUST BE LIKE IT IS IN THE VICAR OF DIBLEY? St Retford
  • Score: -1

9:21am Fri 31 Jan 14

Linesman says...

FoysCornerBoy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
John Denham is correct.

Portsmouth is represented by TWO Members of Parliament, one is a former Lib Dem, now Independent, and the other a Tory, so what have they been doing?

One appears to be concentrating on a personal legal battle, while the other has considered that training for a TV stunt, away from the city, to be more important.

Cameron was slow to act on Portsmouth's problems, and when he eventually decided to do something about it, and create a 'Minister for Portsmouth', it took his appointment more than three weeks to visit the City.

We have a similar situation in Somerset, where some villages have been cut off by the flooding for more than a month, and it is only in the past couple of days that the government have taken any action.

Last night on TV we saw troops in the area, surveying the scene, but there was a total absence of any military equipment to assist those flood victims.

So much for this government's 'positive action'!

Too little, too late!
I totally agree. Portsmouth could be better represented than they are currently with their local MPs Penny Mordaunt and Mike Hancock.

Southampton and Portsmouth Councils are parties to a unique City Deal and they are both members of the Partnership for Urban South Hampshire and Solent Local Economic Partnership so it might have made more sense to get a minister for our region as a whole. Michael Heseltine would have made an ideal choice for this role as he would have been acceptable to most Tories (with the possible exception of wannabe Sean Woodward) and I'm sure the other mainstream political parties could have gone along with this.
I agree, and I consider that, as Portsmouth was facing a massive loss of jobs, thanks to BAE moving out, I think that Cameron should also have visited Portsmouth when he visited Southampton for his Photo-shoot.
[quote][p][bold]FoysCornerBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: John Denham is correct. Portsmouth is represented by TWO Members of Parliament, one is a former Lib Dem, now Independent, and the other a Tory, so what have they been doing? One appears to be concentrating on a personal legal battle, while the other has considered that training for a TV stunt, away from the city, to be more important. Cameron was slow to act on Portsmouth's problems, and when he eventually decided to do something about it, and create a 'Minister for Portsmouth', it took his appointment more than three weeks to visit the City. We have a similar situation in Somerset, where some villages have been cut off by the flooding for more than a month, and it is only in the past couple of days that the government have taken any action. Last night on TV we saw troops in the area, surveying the scene, but there was a total absence of any military equipment to assist those flood victims. So much for this government's 'positive action'! Too little, too late![/p][/quote]I totally agree. Portsmouth could be better represented than they are currently with their local MPs Penny Mordaunt and Mike Hancock. Southampton and Portsmouth Councils are parties to a unique City Deal and they are both members of the Partnership for Urban South Hampshire and Solent Local Economic Partnership so it might have made more sense to get a minister for our region as a whole. Michael Heseltine would have made an ideal choice for this role as he would have been acceptable to most Tories (with the possible exception of wannabe Sean Woodward) and I'm sure the other mainstream political parties could have gone along with this.[/p][/quote]I agree, and I consider that, as Portsmouth was facing a massive loss of jobs, thanks to BAE moving out, I think that Cameron should also have visited Portsmouth when he visited Southampton for his Photo-shoot. Linesman
  • Score: 0

9:29am Fri 31 Jan 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
How unbelievable? I watch Priministers question time every week on the daily politics show when have Denham or Whitehead ever asked a question? when have they stood up & asked for help for Southampton? NEVER.
but I've seen Penny Mordaunt argue time after time for financial aid & last time trying to get new ships built at Portsmouth.
I've also seen Caroline Noakes argue for job creation for this city but again I watch it every week & not one question from our Labour MP's so surely we'd be better off with a Tory & not a lame duck Labour MP?
OH! is Denham saying Solent City is a step closer?
when the two cities are effectively “one economy”, with growing links.
one economy isn't that far removed from one city is it?
we have unfortunately two Labour MP's so why aren't they up fighting at every PMQ's for this city?
Why should a minister for Portsmouth create jobs for Southampton?
Maybe if our Labour MP's had fought as hard as Penny Mordaunt has for Portsmouth after BAT shut after Martini's shut & after Fords had shut we'd have had extra finances & a Minister to try to create jobs for this city?
I'm not a Portsmouth resident but in Penny Mordaunt they have an MP they can be proud of she did a show & all monies went to charity yet some on here are knocking her? WELL DONE Penny Mordaunt is all as a Southampton resident I can say!
I wonder whether you have noticed which side of the house Mordaunt, and Noakes sit.

There is a considerable difference between asking questions and getting results.

How many questions have been asked about the flood situation in Somerset that has had some areas cut off for more than a month, and what positive action has the government taken?

Last night's TV showed some military personnel 'surveying the situation', but there was no military equipment apparent.

Maybe Cameron should visit and demand the waters recede. He would not be the first Canute to try.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: How unbelievable? I watch Priministers question time every week on the daily politics show when have Denham or Whitehead ever asked a question? when have they stood up & asked for help for Southampton? NEVER. but I've seen Penny Mordaunt argue time after time for financial aid & last time trying to get new ships built at Portsmouth. I've also seen Caroline Noakes argue for job creation for this city but again I watch it every week & not one question from our Labour MP's so surely we'd be better off with a Tory & not a lame duck Labour MP? OH! is Denham saying Solent City is a step closer? when the two cities are effectively “one economy”, with growing links. one economy isn't that far removed from one city is it? we have unfortunately two Labour MP's so why aren't they up fighting at every PMQ's for this city? Why should a minister for Portsmouth create jobs for Southampton? Maybe if our Labour MP's had fought as hard as Penny Mordaunt has for Portsmouth after BAT shut after Martini's shut & after Fords had shut we'd have had extra finances & a Minister to try to create jobs for this city? I'm not a Portsmouth resident but in Penny Mordaunt they have an MP they can be proud of she did a show & all monies went to charity yet some on here are knocking her? WELL DONE Penny Mordaunt is all as a Southampton resident I can say![/p][/quote]I wonder whether you have noticed which side of the house Mordaunt, and Noakes sit. There is a considerable difference between asking questions and getting results. How many questions have been asked about the flood situation in Somerset that has had some areas cut off for more than a month, and what positive action has the government taken? Last night's TV showed some military personnel 'surveying the situation', but there was no military equipment apparent. Maybe Cameron should visit and demand the waters recede. He would not be the first Canute to try. Linesman
  • Score: 1

9:29am Fri 31 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

The putrid smell of desperation reeks around the halls of Westminster as Slippery Dave stumbles from one publicity stunt to another.
.
Congratulating Ms Mordaunt on her "Maritime activities" ( PMQ ) he should be questioning her on what the hell is she doing apart from prancing around in swimwear. Orininally known as a "Cameron Cutie" i assume that does not refer to awareness of everything political.
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As regards Mr Fallon ..... hardly dynamic or even effective ...... unless of course you consider the creativity of claiming expenses.
.
Yes more con from the Conservatives
The putrid smell of desperation reeks around the halls of Westminster as Slippery Dave stumbles from one publicity stunt to another. . Congratulating Ms Mordaunt on her "Maritime activities" ( PMQ ) he should be questioning her on what the hell is she doing apart from prancing around in swimwear. Orininally known as a "Cameron Cutie" i assume that does not refer to awareness of everything political. . As regards Mr Fallon ..... hardly dynamic or even effective ...... unless of course you consider the creativity of claiming expenses. . Yes more con from the Conservatives Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 2

10:20am Fri 31 Jan 14

peenut81 says...

George4th wrote:
Mr Denham and Mr Whitehead did nothing for Southampton while in government so why bleat about it now?

Come to think of it, Labour did nothing for anyone while in government except to bankrupt UK Plc!
Yawn, straight from the Tory HQ playbook. (Blame Labour for what our key donors did between 1997-2008).
How did the New Labour Government trigger an international market collapse exactly ? What role did they play in 1986 when the creation of money was computerised and given to private institutions?
Had Gordon Brown not given into the blackmail and allowed the fraudulent financial services sector to collapse what do you think would have happened?
If you have nothing intelligent to add or even a comment based on fact George keep your party political broadcasts to yourself.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: Mr Denham and Mr Whitehead did nothing for Southampton while in government so why bleat about it now? Come to think of it, Labour did nothing for anyone while in government except to bankrupt UK Plc![/p][/quote]Yawn, straight from the Tory HQ playbook. (Blame Labour for what our key donors did between 1997-2008). How did the New Labour Government trigger an international market collapse exactly ? What role did they play in 1986 when the creation of money was computerised and given to private institutions? Had Gordon Brown not given into the blackmail and allowed the fraudulent financial services sector to collapse what do you think would have happened? If you have nothing intelligent to add or even a comment based on fact George keep your party political broadcasts to yourself. peenut81
  • Score: 1

10:41am Fri 31 Jan 14

Ellwood says...

@ redsnaper. You are of course right in what you say. To me it seems that every mechanism available is being employed,at the moment, in order to pull this country apart. Our 'leaders' can't even organise a single procedure for dealing with household refuse for goodness sake.
I get the distinct impression that this all pervasive agenda, to instill division throughout the land, is being done in order to make it a **** sight easier for the EU to take over.
@ redsnaper. You are of course right in what you say. To me it seems that every mechanism available is being employed,at the moment, in order to pull this country apart. Our 'leaders' can't even organise a single procedure for dealing with household refuse for goodness sake. I get the distinct impression that this all pervasive agenda, to instill division throughout the land, is being done in order to make it a **** sight easier for the EU to take over. Ellwood
  • Score: 2

11:01am Fri 31 Jan 14

southy says...

Both are wrong they should not be fighting for jobs in 1 small area, They should be fighting for jobs all over the country.
Both are wrong they should not be fighting for jobs in 1 small area, They should be fighting for jobs all over the country. southy
  • Score: -3

11:11am Fri 31 Jan 14

Dr Martin says...

Dai Rear wrote:
FoysCornerBoy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
John Denham is correct.

Portsmouth is represented by TWO Members of Parliament, one is a former Lib Dem, now Independent, and the other a Tory, so what have they been doing?

One appears to be concentrating on a personal legal battle, while the other has considered that training for a TV stunt, away from the city, to be more important.

Cameron was slow to act on Portsmouth's problems, and when he eventually decided to do something about it, and create a 'Minister for Portsmouth', it took his appointment more than three weeks to visit the City.

We have a similar situation in Somerset, where some villages have been cut off by the flooding for more than a month, and it is only in the past couple of days that the government have taken any action.

Last night on TV we saw troops in the area, surveying the scene, but there was a total absence of any military equipment to assist those flood victims.

So much for this government's 'positive action'!

Too little, too late!
I totally agree. Portsmouth could be better represented than they are currently with their local MPs Penny Mordaunt and Mike Hancock.

Southampton and Portsmouth Councils are parties to a unique City Deal and they are both members of the Partnership for Urban South Hampshire and Solent Local Economic Partnership so it might have made more sense to get a minister for our region as a whole. Michael Heseltine would have made an ideal choice for this role as he would have been acceptable to most Tories (with the possible exception of wannabe Sean Woodward) and I'm sure the other mainstream political parties could have gone along with this.
Heseltine is a Europhiliac who , at the behest of the Berlin- Paris Axis destroyed the viable remnants of our coal industry several years after the miners' strike so, no, at least half of our party members would like him to disappear.
Not sure about the Woodward reference. You mean the turncoat for W. Oxon who defected to the socialists and was rewarded with Ulster Secretary? Son in law (of course) to Socialist Sainsbury? At least he deserved the graveyard job at Ulster.
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[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FoysCornerBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: John Denham is correct. Portsmouth is represented by TWO Members of Parliament, one is a former Lib Dem, now Independent, and the other a Tory, so what have they been doing? One appears to be concentrating on a personal legal battle, while the other has considered that training for a TV stunt, away from the city, to be more important. Cameron was slow to act on Portsmouth's problems, and when he eventually decided to do something about it, and create a 'Minister for Portsmouth', it took his appointment more than three weeks to visit the City. We have a similar situation in Somerset, where some villages have been cut off by the flooding for more than a month, and it is only in the past couple of days that the government have taken any action. Last night on TV we saw troops in the area, surveying the scene, but there was a total absence of any military equipment to assist those flood victims. So much for this government's 'positive action'! Too little, too late![/p][/quote]I totally agree. Portsmouth could be better represented than they are currently with their local MPs Penny Mordaunt and Mike Hancock. Southampton and Portsmouth Councils are parties to a unique City Deal and they are both members of the Partnership for Urban South Hampshire and Solent Local Economic Partnership so it might have made more sense to get a minister for our region as a whole. Michael Heseltine would have made an ideal choice for this role as he would have been acceptable to most Tories (with the possible exception of wannabe Sean Woodward) and I'm sure the other mainstream political parties could have gone along with this.[/p][/quote]Heseltine is a Europhiliac who , at the behest of the Berlin- Paris Axis destroyed the viable remnants of our coal industry several years after the miners' strike so, no, at least half of our party members would like him to disappear. Not sure about the Woodward reference. You mean the turncoat for W. Oxon who defected to the socialists and was rewarded with Ulster Secretary? Son in law (of course) to Socialist Sainsbury? At least he deserved the graveyard job at Ulster.[/p][/quote]to Dai & George 4th http://www.bournemou thecho.co.uk/news/10 975592.Bournemouth_m um_Gemma_Moss_believ ed_to_be_first_woman _in_Britain_to_die_f rom_cannabis_poisoni ng Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

11:13am Fri 31 Jan 14

Linesman says...

I am no great fan of Michael Hesseltine, but when he was given the job of 'Minister for Liverpool', he went to the area immediately, rolled his sleeves up and made an impact.

The 'Minister for Portsmouth' was given the job, and although he is located just along the coast, with a constituency in Kent, it took him more than three weeks to make a visit.

If that constitutes 'prompt government action', then I hate to think how long he would have taken if he had been told to take his time.

Similar situation with the flood situation in Somerset. They have been in crisis for more than a month, and the troops got sent there yesterday.
Just the troops!
No equipment!

What a fiasco.
I am no great fan of Michael Hesseltine, but when he was given the job of 'Minister for Liverpool', he went to the area immediately, rolled his sleeves up and made an impact. The 'Minister for Portsmouth' was given the job, and although he is located just along the coast, with a constituency in Kent, it took him more than three weeks to make a visit. If that constitutes 'prompt government action', then I hate to think how long he would have taken if he had been told to take his time. Similar situation with the flood situation in Somerset. They have been in crisis for more than a month, and the troops got sent there yesterday. Just the troops! No equipment! What a fiasco. Linesman
  • Score: 4

11:37am Fri 31 Jan 14

Dai Rear says...

St Retford wrote:
Hey, I tell you what, shall we use this story as a platform to air all our right-wing prejudices whether they have any relevance to the story or not? Sweet. Let's crack on:

How DARE John Denham talk about Southampton when it was HIS communist government that signed up to allow millions of refugees from Bulgaria and Romania to flood the streets and claim free council houses and take all our jobs and benefits when there are good Christian white people who have paid into the NHS all their lives only to see these asylum seekers come in specifically to have babies and the sort of free medical care they can only dream about in their own country. Futhermore, it's time the NHS needs dismantling anyway because that's just socialist hogwash and we'd all be better off going to BUPA in any event. Erm, anyone remember the 1970s? They found SLEEPING BAGS on the shop floor at Leyland cars because the unions made it impossible to sack people who were asleep. And music! Music was better in the olden days (even though everything was rubbish before Maggie Thatcher came along) because you could hear the words. And... and... Oh WHY CAN'T EVERYTHING JUST BE LIKE IT IS IN THE VICAR OF DIBLEY?
Right wing and left wing are exactly the same. Authoritarianism and men with great big peaked caps and lots of soldiers marching past. Don't see where anyone has expressed a preference for either hell. What you on about?
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Hey, I tell you what, shall we use this story as a platform to air all our right-wing prejudices whether they have any relevance to the story or not? Sweet. Let's crack on: How DARE John Denham talk about Southampton when it was HIS communist government that signed up to allow millions of refugees from Bulgaria and Romania to flood the streets and claim free council houses and take all our jobs and benefits when there are good Christian white people who have paid into the NHS all their lives only to see these asylum seekers come in specifically to have babies and the sort of free medical care they can only dream about in their own country. Futhermore, it's time the NHS needs dismantling anyway because that's just socialist hogwash and we'd all be better off going to BUPA in any event. Erm, anyone remember the 1970s? They found SLEEPING BAGS on the shop floor at Leyland cars because the unions made it impossible to sack people who were asleep. And music! Music was better in the olden days (even though everything was rubbish before Maggie Thatcher came along) because you could hear the words. And... and... Oh WHY CAN'T EVERYTHING JUST BE LIKE IT IS IN THE VICAR OF DIBLEY?[/p][/quote]Right wing and left wing are exactly the same. Authoritarianism and men with great big peaked caps and lots of soldiers marching past. Don't see where anyone has expressed a preference for either hell. What you on about? Dai Rear
  • Score: 1

11:59am Fri 31 Jan 14

southy says...

Dai Rear wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Hey, I tell you what, shall we use this story as a platform to air all our right-wing prejudices whether they have any relevance to the story or not? Sweet. Let's crack on:

How DARE John Denham talk about Southampton when it was HIS communist government that signed up to allow millions of refugees from Bulgaria and Romania to flood the streets and claim free council houses and take all our jobs and benefits when there are good Christian white people who have paid into the NHS all their lives only to see these asylum seekers come in specifically to have babies and the sort of free medical care they can only dream about in their own country. Futhermore, it's time the NHS needs dismantling anyway because that's just socialist hogwash and we'd all be better off going to BUPA in any event. Erm, anyone remember the 1970s? They found SLEEPING BAGS on the shop floor at Leyland cars because the unions made it impossible to sack people who were asleep. And music! Music was better in the olden days (even though everything was rubbish before Maggie Thatcher came along) because you could hear the words. And... and... Oh WHY CAN'T EVERYTHING JUST BE LIKE IT IS IN THE VICAR OF DIBLEY?
Right wing and left wing are exactly the same. Authoritarianism and men with great big peaked caps and lots of soldiers marching past. Don't see where anyone has expressed a preference for either hell. What you on about?
its just all right wing there are no left wing in government, just that some are more right wing than others
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Hey, I tell you what, shall we use this story as a platform to air all our right-wing prejudices whether they have any relevance to the story or not? Sweet. Let's crack on: How DARE John Denham talk about Southampton when it was HIS communist government that signed up to allow millions of refugees from Bulgaria and Romania to flood the streets and claim free council houses and take all our jobs and benefits when there are good Christian white people who have paid into the NHS all their lives only to see these asylum seekers come in specifically to have babies and the sort of free medical care they can only dream about in their own country. Futhermore, it's time the NHS needs dismantling anyway because that's just socialist hogwash and we'd all be better off going to BUPA in any event. Erm, anyone remember the 1970s? They found SLEEPING BAGS on the shop floor at Leyland cars because the unions made it impossible to sack people who were asleep. And music! Music was better in the olden days (even though everything was rubbish before Maggie Thatcher came along) because you could hear the words. And... and... Oh WHY CAN'T EVERYTHING JUST BE LIKE IT IS IN THE VICAR OF DIBLEY?[/p][/quote]Right wing and left wing are exactly the same. Authoritarianism and men with great big peaked caps and lots of soldiers marching past. Don't see where anyone has expressed a preference for either hell. What you on about?[/p][/quote]its just all right wing there are no left wing in government, just that some are more right wing than others southy
  • Score: -4

12:13pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Torchie1 says...

Linesman wrote:
I am no great fan of Michael Hesseltine, but when he was given the job of 'Minister for Liverpool', he went to the area immediately, rolled his sleeves up and made an impact.

The 'Minister for Portsmouth' was given the job, and although he is located just along the coast, with a constituency in Kent, it took him more than three weeks to make a visit.

If that constitutes 'prompt government action', then I hate to think how long he would have taken if he had been told to take his time.

Similar situation with the flood situation in Somerset. They have been in crisis for more than a month, and the troops got sent there yesterday.
Just the troops!
No equipment!

What a fiasco.
Two Engineers from the Royal Marines visited the area yesterday for an assessment of what help the Marines could provide. Did you expect a full Division with a marching band to provide a colourful spectacle for you to enjoy and no doubt condemn as a waste of money when they found that the Army couldn't do any more than the Government was already doing?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: I am no great fan of Michael Hesseltine, but when he was given the job of 'Minister for Liverpool', he went to the area immediately, rolled his sleeves up and made an impact. The 'Minister for Portsmouth' was given the job, and although he is located just along the coast, with a constituency in Kent, it took him more than three weeks to make a visit. If that constitutes 'prompt government action', then I hate to think how long he would have taken if he had been told to take his time. Similar situation with the flood situation in Somerset. They have been in crisis for more than a month, and the troops got sent there yesterday. Just the troops! No equipment! What a fiasco.[/p][/quote]Two Engineers from the Royal Marines visited the area yesterday for an assessment of what help the Marines could provide. Did you expect a full Division with a marching band to provide a colourful spectacle for you to enjoy and no doubt condemn as a waste of money when they found that the Army couldn't do any more than the Government was already doing? Torchie1
  • Score: 1

12:20pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Dai Rear says...

southy wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Hey, I tell you what, shall we use this story as a platform to air all our right-wing prejudices whether they have any relevance to the story or not? Sweet. Let's crack on:

How DARE John Denham talk about Southampton when it was HIS communist government that signed up to allow millions of refugees from Bulgaria and Romania to flood the streets and claim free council houses and take all our jobs and benefits when there are good Christian white people who have paid into the NHS all their lives only to see these asylum seekers come in specifically to have babies and the sort of free medical care they can only dream about in their own country. Futhermore, it's time the NHS needs dismantling anyway because that's just socialist hogwash and we'd all be better off going to BUPA in any event. Erm, anyone remember the 1970s? They found SLEEPING BAGS on the shop floor at Leyland cars because the unions made it impossible to sack people who were asleep. And music! Music was better in the olden days (even though everything was rubbish before Maggie Thatcher came along) because you could hear the words. And... and... Oh WHY CAN'T EVERYTHING JUST BE LIKE IT IS IN THE VICAR OF DIBLEY?
Right wing and left wing are exactly the same. Authoritarianism and men with great big peaked caps and lots of soldiers marching past. Don't see where anyone has expressed a preference for either hell. What you on about?
its just all right wing there are no left wing in government, just that some are more right wing than others
How would you know the difference? This country is in fact left on the liberal-left continuum.
Places like Ukraine MIGHT be right wing. I don't have enough knowledge to say.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Hey, I tell you what, shall we use this story as a platform to air all our right-wing prejudices whether they have any relevance to the story or not? Sweet. Let's crack on: How DARE John Denham talk about Southampton when it was HIS communist government that signed up to allow millions of refugees from Bulgaria and Romania to flood the streets and claim free council houses and take all our jobs and benefits when there are good Christian white people who have paid into the NHS all their lives only to see these asylum seekers come in specifically to have babies and the sort of free medical care they can only dream about in their own country. Futhermore, it's time the NHS needs dismantling anyway because that's just socialist hogwash and we'd all be better off going to BUPA in any event. Erm, anyone remember the 1970s? They found SLEEPING BAGS on the shop floor at Leyland cars because the unions made it impossible to sack people who were asleep. And music! Music was better in the olden days (even though everything was rubbish before Maggie Thatcher came along) because you could hear the words. And... and... Oh WHY CAN'T EVERYTHING JUST BE LIKE IT IS IN THE VICAR OF DIBLEY?[/p][/quote]Right wing and left wing are exactly the same. Authoritarianism and men with great big peaked caps and lots of soldiers marching past. Don't see where anyone has expressed a preference for either hell. What you on about?[/p][/quote]its just all right wing there are no left wing in government, just that some are more right wing than others[/p][/quote]How would you know the difference? This country is in fact left on the liberal-left continuum. Places like Ukraine MIGHT be right wing. I don't have enough knowledge to say. Dai Rear
  • Score: 0

12:20pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Hey, I tell you what, shall we use this story as a platform to air all our right-wing prejudices whether they have any relevance to the story or not? Sweet. Let's crack on:

How DARE John Denham talk about Southampton when it was HIS communist government that signed up to allow millions of refugees from Bulgaria and Romania to flood the streets and claim free council houses and take all our jobs and benefits when there are good Christian white people who have paid into the NHS all their lives only to see these asylum seekers come in specifically to have babies and the sort of free medical care they can only dream about in their own country. Futhermore, it's time the NHS needs dismantling anyway because that's just socialist hogwash and we'd all be better off going to BUPA in any event. Erm, anyone remember the 1970s? They found SLEEPING BAGS on the shop floor at Leyland cars because the unions made it impossible to sack people who were asleep. And music! Music was better in the olden days (even though everything was rubbish before Maggie Thatcher came along) because you could hear the words. And... and... Oh WHY CAN'T EVERYTHING JUST BE LIKE IT IS IN THE VICAR OF DIBLEY?
Right wing and left wing are exactly the same. Authoritarianism and men with great big peaked caps and lots of soldiers marching past. Don't see where anyone has expressed a preference for either hell. What you on about?
its just all right wing there are no left wing in government, just that some are more right wing than others
There is no 'Left Wing' in Parliament because the voters of the UK don't want it there. How many times does this have to be explained to you before it sinks in? There is a fairly basic procedure called a General Election held regularly and the 'first past the post' system that everyone but you understands dictates which party goes on to form the next government. Contingency rules for no overall majority lead to horse trading between the groups and a coalition government being formed. What do you find so difficult to grasp about that simple process? If you sit at home and refuse to vote as a protest, don't sit there moaning.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Hey, I tell you what, shall we use this story as a platform to air all our right-wing prejudices whether they have any relevance to the story or not? Sweet. Let's crack on: How DARE John Denham talk about Southampton when it was HIS communist government that signed up to allow millions of refugees from Bulgaria and Romania to flood the streets and claim free council houses and take all our jobs and benefits when there are good Christian white people who have paid into the NHS all their lives only to see these asylum seekers come in specifically to have babies and the sort of free medical care they can only dream about in their own country. Futhermore, it's time the NHS needs dismantling anyway because that's just socialist hogwash and we'd all be better off going to BUPA in any event. Erm, anyone remember the 1970s? They found SLEEPING BAGS on the shop floor at Leyland cars because the unions made it impossible to sack people who were asleep. And music! Music was better in the olden days (even though everything was rubbish before Maggie Thatcher came along) because you could hear the words. And... and... Oh WHY CAN'T EVERYTHING JUST BE LIKE IT IS IN THE VICAR OF DIBLEY?[/p][/quote]Right wing and left wing are exactly the same. Authoritarianism and men with great big peaked caps and lots of soldiers marching past. Don't see where anyone has expressed a preference for either hell. What you on about?[/p][/quote]its just all right wing there are no left wing in government, just that some are more right wing than others[/p][/quote]There is no 'Left Wing' in Parliament because the voters of the UK don't want it there. How many times does this have to be explained to you before it sinks in? There is a fairly basic procedure called a General Election held regularly and the 'first past the post' system that everyone but you understands dictates which party goes on to form the next government. Contingency rules for no overall majority lead to horse trading between the groups and a coalition government being formed. What do you find so difficult to grasp about that simple process? If you sit at home and refuse to vote as a protest, don't sit there moaning. Torchie1
  • Score: 3

12:28pm Fri 31 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
How unbelievable? I watch Priministers question time every week on the daily politics show when have Denham or Whitehead ever asked a question? when have they stood up & asked for help for Southampton? NEVER.
but I've seen Penny Mordaunt argue time after time for financial aid & last time trying to get new ships built at Portsmouth.
I've also seen Caroline Noakes argue for job creation for this city but again I watch it every week & not one question from our Labour MP's so surely we'd be better off with a Tory & not a lame duck Labour MP?
OH! is Denham saying Solent City is a step closer?
when the two cities are effectively “one economy”, with growing links.
one economy isn't that far removed from one city is it?
we have unfortunately two Labour MP's so why aren't they up fighting at every PMQ's for this city?
Why should a minister for Portsmouth create jobs for Southampton?
Maybe if our Labour MP's had fought as hard as Penny Mordaunt has for Portsmouth after BAT shut after Martini's shut & after Fords had shut we'd have had extra finances & a Minister to try to create jobs for this city?
I'm not a Portsmouth resident but in Penny Mordaunt they have an MP they can be proud of she did a show & all monies went to charity yet some on here are knocking her? WELL DONE Penny Mordaunt is all as a Southampton resident I can say!
I wonder whether you have noticed which side of the house Mordaunt, and Noakes sit.

There is a considerable difference between asking questions and getting results.

How many questions have been asked about the flood situation in Somerset that has had some areas cut off for more than a month, and what positive action has the government taken?

Last night's TV showed some military personnel 'surveying the situation', but there was no military equipment apparent.

Maybe Cameron should visit and demand the waters recede. He would not be the first Canute to try.
It was Liberal Democrats asking about the somerset plains not Labour MP's?
Have you not seen the massive pumps already there?
The Armed forces are going in to help them what's the problem with that?
I remember the floods up North did any government suddenly start knocking down houses built on flood plains then?
If you put your brain into gear & maybe watched the PMQ's you'd see countless Labour MP's asking questions & many are asked by David Cameron to bring all the evidence or there ideas to him so he can help sort it out so exactly what point are you making?
WHY is there no action by our Labour MP's over the loss of all those industries lost in this city?
BAT Blair was anti smoking & surprise surprise our Labour MP's refused to help save that manufacturing plant losing a thousand direct jobs then we had Martini with the loss of the same amount did either of these MP's kick up did they stand & ask for help at PMQ's? NO!
then we had Fords & yes Denham made a noise as did Caroline Noakes but what about Whitehead? did he whisper? did he talk? or did he keep quiet?
because of the way Penny Mordaunt shouts at every opportunity about what Portsmouth needs she's managed to get a MP looking at getting jobs for Portsmouth to replace the loss jobs in the Ship building yards,
why should they help us? how long did we lose Fords? or any of the industries I've mentioned?
So I congratulate Penny Mordaunt for standing up & fighting for her City & voters.
When oh1When have either of our Labour MP's in all the years of a Labour Government stood up in Parliament & fought as hard as Penny Mordaunt has for Pompey for this city?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: How unbelievable? I watch Priministers question time every week on the daily politics show when have Denham or Whitehead ever asked a question? when have they stood up & asked for help for Southampton? NEVER. but I've seen Penny Mordaunt argue time after time for financial aid & last time trying to get new ships built at Portsmouth. I've also seen Caroline Noakes argue for job creation for this city but again I watch it every week & not one question from our Labour MP's so surely we'd be better off with a Tory & not a lame duck Labour MP? OH! is Denham saying Solent City is a step closer? when the two cities are effectively “one economy”, with growing links. one economy isn't that far removed from one city is it? we have unfortunately two Labour MP's so why aren't they up fighting at every PMQ's for this city? Why should a minister for Portsmouth create jobs for Southampton? Maybe if our Labour MP's had fought as hard as Penny Mordaunt has for Portsmouth after BAT shut after Martini's shut & after Fords had shut we'd have had extra finances & a Minister to try to create jobs for this city? I'm not a Portsmouth resident but in Penny Mordaunt they have an MP they can be proud of she did a show & all monies went to charity yet some on here are knocking her? WELL DONE Penny Mordaunt is all as a Southampton resident I can say![/p][/quote]I wonder whether you have noticed which side of the house Mordaunt, and Noakes sit. There is a considerable difference between asking questions and getting results. How many questions have been asked about the flood situation in Somerset that has had some areas cut off for more than a month, and what positive action has the government taken? Last night's TV showed some military personnel 'surveying the situation', but there was no military equipment apparent. Maybe Cameron should visit and demand the waters recede. He would not be the first Canute to try.[/p][/quote]It was Liberal Democrats asking about the somerset plains not Labour MP's? Have you not seen the massive pumps already there? The Armed forces are going in to help them what's the problem with that? I remember the floods up North did any government suddenly start knocking down houses built on flood plains then? If you put your brain into gear & maybe watched the PMQ's you'd see countless Labour MP's asking questions & many are asked by David Cameron to bring all the evidence or there ideas to him so he can help sort it out so exactly what point are you making? WHY is there no action by our Labour MP's over the loss of all those industries lost in this city? BAT Blair was anti smoking & surprise surprise our Labour MP's refused to help save that manufacturing plant losing a thousand direct jobs then we had Martini with the loss of the same amount did either of these MP's kick up did they stand & ask for help at PMQ's? NO! then we had Fords & yes Denham made a noise as did Caroline Noakes but what about Whitehead? did he whisper? did he talk? or did he keep quiet? because of the way Penny Mordaunt shouts at every opportunity about what Portsmouth needs she's managed to get a MP looking at getting jobs for Portsmouth to replace the loss jobs in the Ship building yards, why should they help us? how long did we lose Fords? or any of the industries I've mentioned? So I congratulate Penny Mordaunt for standing up & fighting for her City & voters. When oh1When have either of our Labour MP's in all the years of a Labour Government stood up in Parliament & fought as hard as Penny Mordaunt has for Pompey for this city? loosehead
  • Score: -2

12:28pm Fri 31 Jan 14

southy says...

Dai Rear wrote:
southy wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Hey, I tell you what, shall we use this story as a platform to air all our right-wing prejudices whether they have any relevance to the story or not? Sweet. Let's crack on:

How DARE John Denham talk about Southampton when it was HIS communist government that signed up to allow millions of refugees from Bulgaria and Romania to flood the streets and claim free council houses and take all our jobs and benefits when there are good Christian white people who have paid into the NHS all their lives only to see these asylum seekers come in specifically to have babies and the sort of free medical care they can only dream about in their own country. Futhermore, it's time the NHS needs dismantling anyway because that's just socialist hogwash and we'd all be better off going to BUPA in any event. Erm, anyone remember the 1970s? They found SLEEPING BAGS on the shop floor at Leyland cars because the unions made it impossible to sack people who were asleep. And music! Music was better in the olden days (even though everything was rubbish before Maggie Thatcher came along) because you could hear the words. And... and... Oh WHY CAN'T EVERYTHING JUST BE LIKE IT IS IN THE VICAR OF DIBLEY?
Right wing and left wing are exactly the same. Authoritarianism and men with great big peaked caps and lots of soldiers marching past. Don't see where anyone has expressed a preference for either hell. What you on about?
its just all right wing there are no left wing in government, just that some are more right wing than others
How would you know the difference? This country is in fact left on the liberal-left continuum.
Places like Ukraine MIGHT be right wing. I don't have enough knowledge to say.
Your totally wrong this country is right wing, this country as never been left wing, its had left wing policy,s and you not seen any of them since 1980, its been over 30 years now since we had center ground policy's, If you was right then you would see workers co-op at the work places, government run by workers co-op, the closes we ever got was our brand of State Capitalism which is center to right wing
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Hey, I tell you what, shall we use this story as a platform to air all our right-wing prejudices whether they have any relevance to the story or not? Sweet. Let's crack on: How DARE John Denham talk about Southampton when it was HIS communist government that signed up to allow millions of refugees from Bulgaria and Romania to flood the streets and claim free council houses and take all our jobs and benefits when there are good Christian white people who have paid into the NHS all their lives only to see these asylum seekers come in specifically to have babies and the sort of free medical care they can only dream about in their own country. Futhermore, it's time the NHS needs dismantling anyway because that's just socialist hogwash and we'd all be better off going to BUPA in any event. Erm, anyone remember the 1970s? They found SLEEPING BAGS on the shop floor at Leyland cars because the unions made it impossible to sack people who were asleep. And music! Music was better in the olden days (even though everything was rubbish before Maggie Thatcher came along) because you could hear the words. And... and... Oh WHY CAN'T EVERYTHING JUST BE LIKE IT IS IN THE VICAR OF DIBLEY?[/p][/quote]Right wing and left wing are exactly the same. Authoritarianism and men with great big peaked caps and lots of soldiers marching past. Don't see where anyone has expressed a preference for either hell. What you on about?[/p][/quote]its just all right wing there are no left wing in government, just that some are more right wing than others[/p][/quote]How would you know the difference? This country is in fact left on the liberal-left continuum. Places like Ukraine MIGHT be right wing. I don't have enough knowledge to say.[/p][/quote]Your totally wrong this country is right wing, this country as never been left wing, its had left wing policy,s and you not seen any of them since 1980, its been over 30 years now since we had center ground policy's, If you was right then you would see workers co-op at the work places, government run by workers co-op, the closes we ever got was our brand of State Capitalism which is center to right wing southy
  • Score: -1

12:36pm Fri 31 Jan 14

southy says...

Dai Rear just because a party in office that is right wing, do not make other party's left wing, it just means that that other party's might be left of there right wing policy but still never the less its still right wing
Dai Rear just because a party in office that is right wing, do not make other party's left wing, it just means that that other party's might be left of there right wing policy but still never the less its still right wing southy
  • Score: -1

12:41pm Fri 31 Jan 14

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
Dai Rear just because a party in office that is right wing, do not make other party's left wing, it just means that that other party's might be left of there right wing policy but still never the less its still right wing
so Wilson,Callaghan & Foot weren't left wing?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Dai Rear just because a party in office that is right wing, do not make other party's left wing, it just means that that other party's might be left of there right wing policy but still never the less its still right wing[/p][/quote]so Wilson,Callaghan & Foot weren't left wing? loosehead
  • Score: 1

12:57pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Linesman says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
I am no great fan of Michael Hesseltine, but when he was given the job of 'Minister for Liverpool', he went to the area immediately, rolled his sleeves up and made an impact.

The 'Minister for Portsmouth' was given the job, and although he is located just along the coast, with a constituency in Kent, it took him more than three weeks to make a visit.

If that constitutes 'prompt government action', then I hate to think how long he would have taken if he had been told to take his time.

Similar situation with the flood situation in Somerset. They have been in crisis for more than a month, and the troops got sent there yesterday.
Just the troops!
No equipment!

What a fiasco.
Two Engineers from the Royal Marines visited the area yesterday for an assessment of what help the Marines could provide. Did you expect a full Division with a marching band to provide a colourful spectacle for you to enjoy and no doubt condemn as a waste of money when they found that the Army couldn't do any more than the Government was already doing?
No, I did not, but

a) As this flood situation has lasted for more than a month, I would have expected some government action to have taken place Weeks ago.

b) As it is a flood situation, and has been well covered by National TV and the press, I would have thought that it did not need two Engineers to visit the site to know that some form of amphibious transport was needed.

Isn't RNAS Yeovilton just down the road?

Have they got helicopters, or have they been sold off?

Presumably you have seen the pictures on TV.

I don't know whether or not you are an engineer, and I confess that I am not, but it has been patently obvious to me that boats were needed, with possibly some helicopter assistance, and I did not need to visit the area to come to that conclusion.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: I am no great fan of Michael Hesseltine, but when he was given the job of 'Minister for Liverpool', he went to the area immediately, rolled his sleeves up and made an impact. The 'Minister for Portsmouth' was given the job, and although he is located just along the coast, with a constituency in Kent, it took him more than three weeks to make a visit. If that constitutes 'prompt government action', then I hate to think how long he would have taken if he had been told to take his time. Similar situation with the flood situation in Somerset. They have been in crisis for more than a month, and the troops got sent there yesterday. Just the troops! No equipment! What a fiasco.[/p][/quote]Two Engineers from the Royal Marines visited the area yesterday for an assessment of what help the Marines could provide. Did you expect a full Division with a marching band to provide a colourful spectacle for you to enjoy and no doubt condemn as a waste of money when they found that the Army couldn't do any more than the Government was already doing?[/p][/quote]No, I did not, but a) As this flood situation has lasted for more than a month, I would have expected some government action to have taken place Weeks ago. b) As it is a flood situation, and has been well covered by National TV and the press, I would have thought that it did not need two Engineers to visit the site to know that some form of amphibious transport was needed. Isn't RNAS Yeovilton just down the road? Have they got helicopters, or have they been sold off? Presumably you have seen the pictures on TV. I don't know whether or not you are an engineer, and I confess that I am not, but it has been patently obvious to me that boats were needed, with possibly some helicopter assistance, and I did not need to visit the area to come to that conclusion. Linesman
  • Score: 0

1:04pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Dai Rear says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
I am no great fan of Michael Hesseltine, but when he was given the job of 'Minister for Liverpool', he went to the area immediately, rolled his sleeves up and made an impact.

The 'Minister for Portsmouth' was given the job, and although he is located just along the coast, with a constituency in Kent, it took him more than three weeks to make a visit.

If that constitutes 'prompt government action', then I hate to think how long he would have taken if he had been told to take his time.

Similar situation with the flood situation in Somerset. They have been in crisis for more than a month, and the troops got sent there yesterday.
Just the troops!
No equipment!

What a fiasco.
Two Engineers from the Royal Marines visited the area yesterday for an assessment of what help the Marines could provide. Did you expect a full Division with a marching band to provide a colourful spectacle for you to enjoy and no doubt condemn as a waste of money when they found that the Army couldn't do any more than the Government was already doing?
The Environment Agency is not really "the Government"; it is a little fiefdom run by those with extremely cranky ideas who are totally unanswerable to us, the People.
And of course our wonderful Government is running the Army down because, after all, much more needs to be spent on MP's wages, so why pay for people to defend our country?
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: I am no great fan of Michael Hesseltine, but when he was given the job of 'Minister for Liverpool', he went to the area immediately, rolled his sleeves up and made an impact. The 'Minister for Portsmouth' was given the job, and although he is located just along the coast, with a constituency in Kent, it took him more than three weeks to make a visit. If that constitutes 'prompt government action', then I hate to think how long he would have taken if he had been told to take his time. Similar situation with the flood situation in Somerset. They have been in crisis for more than a month, and the troops got sent there yesterday. Just the troops! No equipment! What a fiasco.[/p][/quote]Two Engineers from the Royal Marines visited the area yesterday for an assessment of what help the Marines could provide. Did you expect a full Division with a marching band to provide a colourful spectacle for you to enjoy and no doubt condemn as a waste of money when they found that the Army couldn't do any more than the Government was already doing?[/p][/quote]The Environment Agency is not really "the Government"; it is a little fiefdom run by those with extremely cranky ideas who are totally unanswerable to us, the People. And of course our wonderful Government is running the Army down because, after all, much more needs to be spent on MP's wages, so why pay for people to defend our country? Dai Rear
  • Score: 1

1:06pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
How unbelievable? I watch Priministers question time every week on the daily politics show when have Denham or Whitehead ever asked a question? when have they stood up & asked for help for Southampton? NEVER.
but I've seen Penny Mordaunt argue time after time for financial aid & last time trying to get new ships built at Portsmouth.
I've also seen Caroline Noakes argue for job creation for this city but again I watch it every week & not one question from our Labour MP's so surely we'd be better off with a Tory & not a lame duck Labour MP?
OH! is Denham saying Solent City is a step closer?
when the two cities are effectively “one economy”, with growing links.
one economy isn't that far removed from one city is it?
we have unfortunately two Labour MP's so why aren't they up fighting at every PMQ's for this city?
Why should a minister for Portsmouth create jobs for Southampton?
Maybe if our Labour MP's had fought as hard as Penny Mordaunt has for Portsmouth after BAT shut after Martini's shut & after Fords had shut we'd have had extra finances & a Minister to try to create jobs for this city?
I'm not a Portsmouth resident but in Penny Mordaunt they have an MP they can be proud of she did a show & all monies went to charity yet some on here are knocking her? WELL DONE Penny Mordaunt is all as a Southampton resident I can say!
I wonder whether you have noticed which side of the house Mordaunt, and Noakes sit.

There is a considerable difference between asking questions and getting results.

How many questions have been asked about the flood situation in Somerset that has had some areas cut off for more than a month, and what positive action has the government taken?

Last night's TV showed some military personnel 'surveying the situation', but there was no military equipment apparent.

Maybe Cameron should visit and demand the waters recede. He would not be the first Canute to try.
It was Liberal Democrats asking about the somerset plains not Labour MP's?
Have you not seen the massive pumps already there?
The Armed forces are going in to help them what's the problem with that?
I remember the floods up North did any government suddenly start knocking down houses built on flood plains then?
If you put your brain into gear & maybe watched the PMQ's you'd see countless Labour MP's asking questions & many are asked by David Cameron to bring all the evidence or there ideas to him so he can help sort it out so exactly what point are you making?
WHY is there no action by our Labour MP's over the loss of all those industries lost in this city?
BAT Blair was anti smoking & surprise surprise our Labour MP's refused to help save that manufacturing plant losing a thousand direct jobs then we had Martini with the loss of the same amount did either of these MP's kick up did they stand & ask for help at PMQ's? NO!
then we had Fords & yes Denham made a noise as did Caroline Noakes but what about Whitehead? did he whisper? did he talk? or did he keep quiet?
because of the way Penny Mordaunt shouts at every opportunity about what Portsmouth needs she's managed to get a MP looking at getting jobs for Portsmouth to replace the loss jobs in the Ship building yards,
why should they help us? how long did we lose Fords? or any of the industries I've mentioned?
So I congratulate Penny Mordaunt for standing up & fighting for her City & voters.
When oh1When have either of our Labour MP's in all the years of a Labour Government stood up in Parliament & fought as hard as Penny Mordaunt has for Pompey for this city?
I was aware that the area was represented by Lib Dems, I have also noticed that at Westminster the Lib Dems are part of this incompetent government, that appears to be at a loss as to how to deal with this problem.

"The armed forces are going in to help them what's the problem with that?"

I appreciate that this may come as a very big surprise to you, but the armed forces act on the directions of the government.

This crisis in the West Country has lasted for more than a month. There is nothing wrong with the armed forces going in, my complaint, and the complaint of those affected by flooding, is that the government have, at best, been slow to act, and at worst, totally incompetent.

Neither view gives Cameron and his cohorts much credit.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: How unbelievable? I watch Priministers question time every week on the daily politics show when have Denham or Whitehead ever asked a question? when have they stood up & asked for help for Southampton? NEVER. but I've seen Penny Mordaunt argue time after time for financial aid & last time trying to get new ships built at Portsmouth. I've also seen Caroline Noakes argue for job creation for this city but again I watch it every week & not one question from our Labour MP's so surely we'd be better off with a Tory & not a lame duck Labour MP? OH! is Denham saying Solent City is a step closer? when the two cities are effectively “one economy”, with growing links. one economy isn't that far removed from one city is it? we have unfortunately two Labour MP's so why aren't they up fighting at every PMQ's for this city? Why should a minister for Portsmouth create jobs for Southampton? Maybe if our Labour MP's had fought as hard as Penny Mordaunt has for Portsmouth after BAT shut after Martini's shut & after Fords had shut we'd have had extra finances & a Minister to try to create jobs for this city? I'm not a Portsmouth resident but in Penny Mordaunt they have an MP they can be proud of she did a show & all monies went to charity yet some on here are knocking her? WELL DONE Penny Mordaunt is all as a Southampton resident I can say![/p][/quote]I wonder whether you have noticed which side of the house Mordaunt, and Noakes sit. There is a considerable difference between asking questions and getting results. How many questions have been asked about the flood situation in Somerset that has had some areas cut off for more than a month, and what positive action has the government taken? Last night's TV showed some military personnel 'surveying the situation', but there was no military equipment apparent. Maybe Cameron should visit and demand the waters recede. He would not be the first Canute to try.[/p][/quote]It was Liberal Democrats asking about the somerset plains not Labour MP's? Have you not seen the massive pumps already there? The Armed forces are going in to help them what's the problem with that? I remember the floods up North did any government suddenly start knocking down houses built on flood plains then? If you put your brain into gear & maybe watched the PMQ's you'd see countless Labour MP's asking questions & many are asked by David Cameron to bring all the evidence or there ideas to him so he can help sort it out so exactly what point are you making? WHY is there no action by our Labour MP's over the loss of all those industries lost in this city? BAT Blair was anti smoking & surprise surprise our Labour MP's refused to help save that manufacturing plant losing a thousand direct jobs then we had Martini with the loss of the same amount did either of these MP's kick up did they stand & ask for help at PMQ's? NO! then we had Fords & yes Denham made a noise as did Caroline Noakes but what about Whitehead? did he whisper? did he talk? or did he keep quiet? because of the way Penny Mordaunt shouts at every opportunity about what Portsmouth needs she's managed to get a MP looking at getting jobs for Portsmouth to replace the loss jobs in the Ship building yards, why should they help us? how long did we lose Fords? or any of the industries I've mentioned? So I congratulate Penny Mordaunt for standing up & fighting for her City & voters. When oh1When have either of our Labour MP's in all the years of a Labour Government stood up in Parliament & fought as hard as Penny Mordaunt has for Pompey for this city?[/p][/quote]I was aware that the area was represented by Lib Dems, I have also noticed that at Westminster the Lib Dems are part of this incompetent government, that appears to be at a loss as to how to deal with this problem. "The armed forces are going in to help them what's the problem with that?" I appreciate that this may come as a very big surprise to you, but the armed forces act on the directions of the government. This crisis in the West Country has lasted for more than a month. There is nothing wrong with the armed forces going in, my complaint, and the complaint of those affected by flooding, is that the government have, at best, been slow to act, and at worst, totally incompetent. Neither view gives Cameron and his cohorts much credit. Linesman
  • Score: 0

1:36pm Fri 31 Jan 14

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Dai Rear just because a party in office that is right wing, do not make other party's left wing, it just means that that other party's might be left of there right wing policy but still never the less its still right wing
so Wilson,Callaghan & Foot weren't left wing?
No they was not loose they was center to right wing ground, more so Gentleman Jim who was the most right wing since McDonald, and Kinnock proved to be even more right wing, Foot was the closes to center ground.
But then again 1 person inside a party do not make what a political party is, it is which group as the most control and in Labour that,s all ways been the right wing element
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Dai Rear just because a party in office that is right wing, do not make other party's left wing, it just means that that other party's might be left of there right wing policy but still never the less its still right wing[/p][/quote]so Wilson,Callaghan & Foot weren't left wing?[/p][/quote]No they was not loose they was center to right wing ground, more so Gentleman Jim who was the most right wing since McDonald, and Kinnock proved to be even more right wing, Foot was the closes to center ground. But then again 1 person inside a party do not make what a political party is, it is which group as the most control and in Labour that,s all ways been the right wing element southy
  • Score: -1

1:57pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Dai Rear says...

southy wrote:
Dai Rear just because a party in office that is right wing, do not make other party's left wing, it just means that that other party's might be left of there right wing policy but still never the less its still right wing
Southy, we've neither Pravda, nor Granma nor Der Volkischer Beobachter; neither commissars nor gauleiters,;neither gulags nor concentration camps. Sorry if it doesn't match your world view but the spectrum is left-liberal and we're closer to left than liberal.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Dai Rear just because a party in office that is right wing, do not make other party's left wing, it just means that that other party's might be left of there right wing policy but still never the less its still right wing[/p][/quote]Southy, we've neither Pravda, nor Granma nor Der Volkischer Beobachter; neither commissars nor gauleiters,;neither gulags nor concentration camps. Sorry if it doesn't match your world view but the spectrum is left-liberal and we're closer to left than liberal. Dai Rear
  • Score: 1

2:40pm Fri 31 Jan 14

George4th says...

peenut81 wrote:
George4th wrote:
Mr Denham and Mr Whitehead did nothing for Southampton while in government so why bleat about it now?

Come to think of it, Labour did nothing for anyone while in government except to bankrupt UK Plc!
Yawn, straight from the Tory HQ playbook. (Blame Labour for what our key donors did between 1997-2008).
How did the New Labour Government trigger an international market collapse exactly ? What role did they play in 1986 when the creation of money was computerised and given to private institutions?
Had Gordon Brown not given into the blackmail and allowed the fraudulent financial services sector to collapse what do you think would have happened?
If you have nothing intelligent to add or even a comment based on fact George keep your party political broadcasts to yourself.
UK Plc had the largest Deficit of any Western nation when the global financial crisis started!

That is an unavoidable fact!

UK Plc was effectively BUST BEFORE the global financiual crisis.

Conclusion? Self-inflicted by the Labour Government!
[quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: Mr Denham and Mr Whitehead did nothing for Southampton while in government so why bleat about it now? Come to think of it, Labour did nothing for anyone while in government except to bankrupt UK Plc![/p][/quote]Yawn, straight from the Tory HQ playbook. (Blame Labour for what our key donors did between 1997-2008). How did the New Labour Government trigger an international market collapse exactly ? What role did they play in 1986 when the creation of money was computerised and given to private institutions? Had Gordon Brown not given into the blackmail and allowed the fraudulent financial services sector to collapse what do you think would have happened? If you have nothing intelligent to add or even a comment based on fact George keep your party political broadcasts to yourself.[/p][/quote]UK Plc had the largest Deficit of any Western nation when the global financial crisis started! That is an unavoidable fact! UK Plc was effectively BUST BEFORE the global financiual crisis. Conclusion? Self-inflicted by the Labour Government! George4th
  • Score: 2

2:48pm Fri 31 Jan 14

jackois says...

Come on, get a grip!

Of course it's tokenism... after all, there are elections due... make as many promises as you can as a politician... after all, you'll never keep them once the elections have passed by once again...
Come on, get a grip! Of course it's tokenism... after all, there are elections due... make as many promises as you can as a politician... after all, you'll never keep them once the elections have passed by once again... jackois
  • Score: 0

3:25pm Fri 31 Jan 14

loosehead says...

So here we go again. Linesman going on about Somerset & the Governments response when it's put forward that Penny Mordaunt unlike Denham or Whitehead has fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents.
We had 13 years of a Labour Government 13 years where we were in a financial mess & it was getting worse.
some say the Falklands saved Maggie Thatcher well the Banking crisis saved Labour as if/when Austerity measures took place with out the banking crisis who would ever vote Labour so that banking crash was Labours get out of jail.
It's okay for Denham to bang on about this guy should be for both cities but why should it?
did either Labour MP's fight for this city when at least two big employers left?
wasn't it A Tory with Denham who argued for funds after Fords? maybe a bit to late as most Ford workers knew it was coming years before it happened.
So after the Floods we had in this country with weather no where near as bad as this year we get a Labour supporter going on about Somerset?
Besides the huge pumping operation already under way what exactly have this government done differently than Labour?
the Armed Forces are being deployed so what else?
after the floods we had any building on flood plains should be banned(unless it already is) any houses buildings built on flood plains should be torn down & those flood plains restored.
But again this is about an MP crying foul over an issue where a city MP has fought for her city unlike our two Labour MP's.
Caroline Nookes has fought more for this city in the short time she's been an MP than at least one of our MP's have maybe the residents of Test will see wise & get rid?
So here we go again. Linesman going on about Somerset & the Governments response when it's put forward that Penny Mordaunt unlike Denham or Whitehead has fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents. We had 13 years of a Labour Government 13 years where we were in a financial mess & it was getting worse. some say the Falklands saved Maggie Thatcher well the Banking crisis saved Labour as if/when Austerity measures took place with out the banking crisis who would ever vote Labour so that banking crash was Labours get out of jail. It's okay for Denham to bang on about this guy should be for both cities but why should it? did either Labour MP's fight for this city when at least two big employers left? wasn't it A Tory with Denham who argued for funds after Fords? maybe a bit to late as most Ford workers knew it was coming years before it happened. So after the Floods we had in this country with weather no where near as bad as this year we get a Labour supporter going on about Somerset? Besides the huge pumping operation already under way what exactly have this government done differently than Labour? the Armed Forces are being deployed so what else? after the floods we had any building on flood plains should be banned(unless it already is) any houses buildings built on flood plains should be torn down & those flood plains restored. But again this is about an MP crying foul over an issue where a city MP has fought for her city unlike our two Labour MP's. Caroline Nookes has fought more for this city in the short time she's been an MP than at least one of our MP's have maybe the residents of Test will see wise & get rid? loosehead
  • Score: 0

4:09pm Fri 31 Jan 14

RomseyKeith says...

A political stunt? Is that a typo?
It's about a Portsmouth MP after all, and one MP has already apologised for swearing using the fact that he was brought up in Portsmouth as an excuse for this.
A political stunt? Is that a typo? It's about a Portsmouth MP after all, and one MP has already apologised for swearing using the fact that he was brought up in Portsmouth as an excuse for this. RomseyKeith
  • Score: 1

4:45pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
So here we go again. Linesman going on about Somerset & the Governments response when it's put forward that Penny Mordaunt unlike Denham or Whitehead has fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents.
We had 13 years of a Labour Government 13 years where we were in a financial mess & it was getting worse.
some say the Falklands saved Maggie Thatcher well the Banking crisis saved Labour as if/when Austerity measures took place with out the banking crisis who would ever vote Labour so that banking crash was Labours get out of jail.
It's okay for Denham to bang on about this guy should be for both cities but why should it?
did either Labour MP's fight for this city when at least two big employers left?
wasn't it A Tory with Denham who argued for funds after Fords? maybe a bit to late as most Ford workers knew it was coming years before it happened.
So after the Floods we had in this country with weather no where near as bad as this year we get a Labour supporter going on about Somerset?
Besides the huge pumping operation already under way what exactly have this government done differently than Labour?
the Armed Forces are being deployed so what else?
after the floods we had any building on flood plains should be banned(unless it already is) any houses buildings built on flood plains should be torn down & those flood plains restored.
But again this is about an MP crying foul over an issue where a city MP has fought for her city unlike our two Labour MP's.
Caroline Nookes has fought more for this city in the short time she's been an MP than at least one of our MP's have maybe the residents of Test will see wise & get rid?
How, exactly, has Penny Mordaunt 'fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents'?

It is my understanding that during the period that she was 'training' for her TV programme, she was spending more time in Southend, where the training took place, than she did in the constituency she represents.

If, as you claim, she was doing such a great job, why did your beloved leader think it necessary to appoint a 'Minister for Portsmouth'?

Having appointed this new post, and as the appointee has a constituency just along the coast in Kent, do you think it reasonable that he should take more that three weeks before he visits the area? As I have said earlier, I am no fan of Hesseltine, but when he was appointed Minister for Liverpool, he was up there within days.

Could it be that Cameron was only paying lip-service to the area?

That is certainly the impression it gives.

Any MP can ask questions in the house, but many of those made from the government side are planted, to give the PM an easy ride, and a reminder to the constituents of the questioner, that they 'turned up for work.' - and that applies to whatever party is in power.

You asked whether either of the city's MPs fought for the city when at least two big employers left. I don't know what other employer you are referring to, but they certainly asked questions about Ford's departure, but it is not much good questioning when your questions fall on deaf ears.

You complain about a Labour supporter going on about the problems faced by residents in flood-hit Somerset.

Well, that certainly appears to reflect the attitude of your beloved leader. A typical case of NIMBYism on your part, and apparently on his.

Strange as it may seem, I care about these people, and something tells me that if you found yourself in the situation that they have found themselves FOR MORE THAN A MONTH, you would be creating merry-hell about a government doing precious little, and very late - especially if it were a Labour government.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So here we go again. Linesman going on about Somerset & the Governments response when it's put forward that Penny Mordaunt unlike Denham or Whitehead has fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents. We had 13 years of a Labour Government 13 years where we were in a financial mess & it was getting worse. some say the Falklands saved Maggie Thatcher well the Banking crisis saved Labour as if/when Austerity measures took place with out the banking crisis who would ever vote Labour so that banking crash was Labours get out of jail. It's okay for Denham to bang on about this guy should be for both cities but why should it? did either Labour MP's fight for this city when at least two big employers left? wasn't it A Tory with Denham who argued for funds after Fords? maybe a bit to late as most Ford workers knew it was coming years before it happened. So after the Floods we had in this country with weather no where near as bad as this year we get a Labour supporter going on about Somerset? Besides the huge pumping operation already under way what exactly have this government done differently than Labour? the Armed Forces are being deployed so what else? after the floods we had any building on flood plains should be banned(unless it already is) any houses buildings built on flood plains should be torn down & those flood plains restored. But again this is about an MP crying foul over an issue where a city MP has fought for her city unlike our two Labour MP's. Caroline Nookes has fought more for this city in the short time she's been an MP than at least one of our MP's have maybe the residents of Test will see wise & get rid?[/p][/quote]How, exactly, has Penny Mordaunt 'fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents'? It is my understanding that during the period that she was 'training' for her TV programme, she was spending more time in Southend, where the training took place, than she did in the constituency she represents. If, as you claim, she was doing such a great job, why did your beloved leader think it necessary to appoint a 'Minister for Portsmouth'? Having appointed this new post, and as the appointee has a constituency just along the coast in Kent, do you think it reasonable that he should take more that three weeks before he visits the area? As I have said earlier, I am no fan of Hesseltine, but when he was appointed Minister for Liverpool, he was up there within days. Could it be that Cameron was only paying lip-service to the area? That is certainly the impression it gives. Any MP can ask questions in the house, but many of those made from the government side are planted, to give the PM an easy ride, and a reminder to the constituents of the questioner, that they 'turned up for work.' - and that applies to whatever party is in power. You asked whether either of the city's MPs fought for the city when at least two big employers left. I don't know what other employer you are referring to, but they certainly asked questions about Ford's departure, but it is not much good questioning when your questions fall on deaf ears. You complain about a Labour supporter going on about the problems faced by residents in flood-hit Somerset. Well, that certainly appears to reflect the attitude of your beloved leader. A typical case of NIMBYism on your part, and apparently on his. Strange as it may seem, I care about these people, and something tells me that if you found yourself in the situation that they have found themselves FOR MORE THAN A MONTH, you would be creating merry-hell about a government doing precious little, and very late - especially if it were a Labour government. Linesman
  • Score: 0

6:17pm Fri 31 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So here we go again. Linesman going on about Somerset & the Governments response when it's put forward that Penny Mordaunt unlike Denham or Whitehead has fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents.
We had 13 years of a Labour Government 13 years where we were in a financial mess & it was getting worse.
some say the Falklands saved Maggie Thatcher well the Banking crisis saved Labour as if/when Austerity measures took place with out the banking crisis who would ever vote Labour so that banking crash was Labours get out of jail.
It's okay for Denham to bang on about this guy should be for both cities but why should it?
did either Labour MP's fight for this city when at least two big employers left?
wasn't it A Tory with Denham who argued for funds after Fords? maybe a bit to late as most Ford workers knew it was coming years before it happened.
So after the Floods we had in this country with weather no where near as bad as this year we get a Labour supporter going on about Somerset?
Besides the huge pumping operation already under way what exactly have this government done differently than Labour?
the Armed Forces are being deployed so what else?
after the floods we had any building on flood plains should be banned(unless it already is) any houses buildings built on flood plains should be torn down & those flood plains restored.
But again this is about an MP crying foul over an issue where a city MP has fought for her city unlike our two Labour MP's.
Caroline Nookes has fought more for this city in the short time she's been an MP than at least one of our MP's have maybe the residents of Test will see wise & get rid?
How, exactly, has Penny Mordaunt 'fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents'?

It is my understanding that during the period that she was 'training' for her TV programme, she was spending more time in Southend, where the training took place, than she did in the constituency she represents.

If, as you claim, she was doing such a great job, why did your beloved leader think it necessary to appoint a 'Minister for Portsmouth'?

Having appointed this new post, and as the appointee has a constituency just along the coast in Kent, do you think it reasonable that he should take more that three weeks before he visits the area? As I have said earlier, I am no fan of Hesseltine, but when he was appointed Minister for Liverpool, he was up there within days.

Could it be that Cameron was only paying lip-service to the area?

That is certainly the impression it gives.

Any MP can ask questions in the house, but many of those made from the government side are planted, to give the PM an easy ride, and a reminder to the constituents of the questioner, that they 'turned up for work.' - and that applies to whatever party is in power.

You asked whether either of the city's MPs fought for the city when at least two big employers left. I don't know what other employer you are referring to, but they certainly asked questions about Ford's departure, but it is not much good questioning when your questions fall on deaf ears.

You complain about a Labour supporter going on about the problems faced by residents in flood-hit Somerset.

Well, that certainly appears to reflect the attitude of your beloved leader. A typical case of NIMBYism on your part, and apparently on his.

Strange as it may seem, I care about these people, and something tells me that if you found yourself in the situation that they have found themselves FOR MORE THAN A MONTH, you would be creating merry-hell about a government doing precious little, and very late - especially if it were a Labour government.
your way out of it on this post aren't you?watching the politics show(daily) she was there arguing for Portsmouth & she was asked about Splash & she said all money will go to charity & Labour & liberal Mp's that where there congratulated her on her good work.
I can only go by what I've seen & when PFC were in deep trouble there she was fighting to get David Cameron to help find some one to save the club.
since then she has been on PMQ's asking & putting up a good reason why the government should step in & help Portsmouth.
In Portsmouth itself exactly what can she achieve there the decisions are made in Parliament not in that city so she has fought for that city.
Look just tell me when Whitehead or Denham stood up at PMQ's & fought to save BAT or Martini's?
BAT asked them to get it so the factory could export out of the EU the strength of fag the customer wanted to save the factory & jobs both Labour MP's declined.
So sorry but on three occasions the Southampton Labour MP's could/should have stood up & fought to save Southampton jobs & two of those companies closing were under a Labour Government yet they kept quiet.
Ford closing was on going for years yet no noise from Whitehead or Denham then it closes & Nookes makes more noise than Whitehead & then Denham decides to act .
Ask any long serving Ford worker & that factories closure was on the cards about ten years ago if not longer so why didn't our Labour MP's do something back then to try to ensure the factories future?
I'm no lover of Portsmouth & I feel Vospers should never have been poached by Portsmouth from Southampton but it was & no out cry from our Labour MP's then.
Denham knows Mordaunt has done the job he should have done for this city & is now crying foul?
I'd rather her than either of our Labour waste of time MP's
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So here we go again. Linesman going on about Somerset & the Governments response when it's put forward that Penny Mordaunt unlike Denham or Whitehead has fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents. We had 13 years of a Labour Government 13 years where we were in a financial mess & it was getting worse. some say the Falklands saved Maggie Thatcher well the Banking crisis saved Labour as if/when Austerity measures took place with out the banking crisis who would ever vote Labour so that banking crash was Labours get out of jail. It's okay for Denham to bang on about this guy should be for both cities but why should it? did either Labour MP's fight for this city when at least two big employers left? wasn't it A Tory with Denham who argued for funds after Fords? maybe a bit to late as most Ford workers knew it was coming years before it happened. So after the Floods we had in this country with weather no where near as bad as this year we get a Labour supporter going on about Somerset? Besides the huge pumping operation already under way what exactly have this government done differently than Labour? the Armed Forces are being deployed so what else? after the floods we had any building on flood plains should be banned(unless it already is) any houses buildings built on flood plains should be torn down & those flood plains restored. But again this is about an MP crying foul over an issue where a city MP has fought for her city unlike our two Labour MP's. Caroline Nookes has fought more for this city in the short time she's been an MP than at least one of our MP's have maybe the residents of Test will see wise & get rid?[/p][/quote]How, exactly, has Penny Mordaunt 'fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents'? It is my understanding that during the period that she was 'training' for her TV programme, she was spending more time in Southend, where the training took place, than she did in the constituency she represents. If, as you claim, she was doing such a great job, why did your beloved leader think it necessary to appoint a 'Minister for Portsmouth'? Having appointed this new post, and as the appointee has a constituency just along the coast in Kent, do you think it reasonable that he should take more that three weeks before he visits the area? As I have said earlier, I am no fan of Hesseltine, but when he was appointed Minister for Liverpool, he was up there within days. Could it be that Cameron was only paying lip-service to the area? That is certainly the impression it gives. Any MP can ask questions in the house, but many of those made from the government side are planted, to give the PM an easy ride, and a reminder to the constituents of the questioner, that they 'turned up for work.' - and that applies to whatever party is in power. You asked whether either of the city's MPs fought for the city when at least two big employers left. I don't know what other employer you are referring to, but they certainly asked questions about Ford's departure, but it is not much good questioning when your questions fall on deaf ears. You complain about a Labour supporter going on about the problems faced by residents in flood-hit Somerset. Well, that certainly appears to reflect the attitude of your beloved leader. A typical case of NIMBYism on your part, and apparently on his. Strange as it may seem, I care about these people, and something tells me that if you found yourself in the situation that they have found themselves FOR MORE THAN A MONTH, you would be creating merry-hell about a government doing precious little, and very late - especially if it were a Labour government.[/p][/quote]your way out of it on this post aren't you?watching the politics show(daily) she was there arguing for Portsmouth & she was asked about Splash & she said all money will go to charity & Labour & liberal Mp's that where there congratulated her on her good work. I can only go by what I've seen & when PFC were in deep trouble there she was fighting to get David Cameron to help find some one to save the club. since then she has been on PMQ's asking & putting up a good reason why the government should step in & help Portsmouth. In Portsmouth itself exactly what can she achieve there the decisions are made in Parliament not in that city so she has fought for that city. Look just tell me when Whitehead or Denham stood up at PMQ's & fought to save BAT or Martini's? BAT asked them to get it so the factory could export out of the EU the strength of fag the customer wanted to save the factory & jobs both Labour MP's declined. So sorry but on three occasions the Southampton Labour MP's could/should have stood up & fought to save Southampton jobs & two of those companies closing were under a Labour Government yet they kept quiet. Ford closing was on going for years yet no noise from Whitehead or Denham then it closes & Nookes makes more noise than Whitehead & then Denham decides to act . Ask any long serving Ford worker & that factories closure was on the cards about ten years ago if not longer so why didn't our Labour MP's do something back then to try to ensure the factories future? I'm no lover of Portsmouth & I feel Vospers should never have been poached by Portsmouth from Southampton but it was & no out cry from our Labour MP's then. Denham knows Mordaunt has done the job he should have done for this city & is now crying foul? I'd rather her than either of our Labour waste of time MP's loosehead
  • Score: -1

7:38pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So here we go again. Linesman going on about Somerset & the Governments response when it's put forward that Penny Mordaunt unlike Denham or Whitehead has fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents.
We had 13 years of a Labour Government 13 years where we were in a financial mess & it was getting worse.
some say the Falklands saved Maggie Thatcher well the Banking crisis saved Labour as if/when Austerity measures took place with out the banking crisis who would ever vote Labour so that banking crash was Labours get out of jail.
It's okay for Denham to bang on about this guy should be for both cities but why should it?
did either Labour MP's fight for this city when at least two big employers left?
wasn't it A Tory with Denham who argued for funds after Fords? maybe a bit to late as most Ford workers knew it was coming years before it happened.
So after the Floods we had in this country with weather no where near as bad as this year we get a Labour supporter going on about Somerset?
Besides the huge pumping operation already under way what exactly have this government done differently than Labour?
the Armed Forces are being deployed so what else?
after the floods we had any building on flood plains should be banned(unless it already is) any houses buildings built on flood plains should be torn down & those flood plains restored.
But again this is about an MP crying foul over an issue where a city MP has fought for her city unlike our two Labour MP's.
Caroline Nookes has fought more for this city in the short time she's been an MP than at least one of our MP's have maybe the residents of Test will see wise & get rid?
How, exactly, has Penny Mordaunt 'fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents'?

It is my understanding that during the period that she was 'training' for her TV programme, she was spending more time in Southend, where the training took place, than she did in the constituency she represents.

If, as you claim, she was doing such a great job, why did your beloved leader think it necessary to appoint a 'Minister for Portsmouth'?

Having appointed this new post, and as the appointee has a constituency just along the coast in Kent, do you think it reasonable that he should take more that three weeks before he visits the area? As I have said earlier, I am no fan of Hesseltine, but when he was appointed Minister for Liverpool, he was up there within days.

Could it be that Cameron was only paying lip-service to the area?

That is certainly the impression it gives.

Any MP can ask questions in the house, but many of those made from the government side are planted, to give the PM an easy ride, and a reminder to the constituents of the questioner, that they 'turned up for work.' - and that applies to whatever party is in power.

You asked whether either of the city's MPs fought for the city when at least two big employers left. I don't know what other employer you are referring to, but they certainly asked questions about Ford's departure, but it is not much good questioning when your questions fall on deaf ears.

You complain about a Labour supporter going on about the problems faced by residents in flood-hit Somerset.

Well, that certainly appears to reflect the attitude of your beloved leader. A typical case of NIMBYism on your part, and apparently on his.

Strange as it may seem, I care about these people, and something tells me that if you found yourself in the situation that they have found themselves FOR MORE THAN A MONTH, you would be creating merry-hell about a government doing precious little, and very late - especially if it were a Labour government.
your way out of it on this post aren't you?watching the politics show(daily) she was there arguing for Portsmouth & she was asked about Splash & she said all money will go to charity & Labour & liberal Mp's that where there congratulated her on her good work.
I can only go by what I've seen & when PFC were in deep trouble there she was fighting to get David Cameron to help find some one to save the club.
since then she has been on PMQ's asking & putting up a good reason why the government should step in & help Portsmouth.
In Portsmouth itself exactly what can she achieve there the decisions are made in Parliament not in that city so she has fought for that city.
Look just tell me when Whitehead or Denham stood up at PMQ's & fought to save BAT or Martini's?
BAT asked them to get it so the factory could export out of the EU the strength of fag the customer wanted to save the factory & jobs both Labour MP's declined.
So sorry but on three occasions the Southampton Labour MP's could/should have stood up & fought to save Southampton jobs & two of those companies closing were under a Labour Government yet they kept quiet.
Ford closing was on going for years yet no noise from Whitehead or Denham then it closes & Nookes makes more noise than Whitehead & then Denham decides to act .
Ask any long serving Ford worker & that factories closure was on the cards about ten years ago if not longer so why didn't our Labour MP's do something back then to try to ensure the factories future?
I'm no lover of Portsmouth & I feel Vospers should never have been poached by Portsmouth from Southampton but it was & no out cry from our Labour MP's then.
Denham knows Mordaunt has done the job he should have done for this city & is now crying foul?
I'd rather her than either of our Labour waste of time MP's
I wonder what your attitude would have been if she had been a Labour MP, doing exactly the same thing.
I am pretty sure that I know the answer.
I suppose you had nothing but praise for George Galloway and Nadine Dorries when they appeared on 'I'm a Celebrity.'
If that's what you think that is what being an MP is all about, then that is something else we will agree to disagree about.

With regard her asking questions. Anyone can ask questions, but what was needed was someone who could get results.

Between them, a former Lib Dem, now Independent MP and a current Tory MP were not getting results, so they had to be 'reinforced' by a Cameron appointee to try and sort something out.

With the rush that he was in to get down there and start the job, it has all the appearances of a token gesture to make the locals think that something is happening, and will be quietly forgotten when electioneering starts in earnest.

BAT moved abroad because of European legislation that would not permit the strength of cigarettes that BAT wanted to export to their Far East market. As our area has always had Tory MEPs to represent us in Brussels, they are the ones that should have been fighting BATs corner on that.

As you have a wife who originates from the Far East, I would have thought that you would have been pleased that Denham did not support BAT to export 'cancer sticks' to that area of the world.

According to a friend, who was a maintenance engineer at the BAT site, it was very highly automated, and did not have a very large work-force, and those that lost their jobs when it moved, had a pay-off that was considerably higher than was required by law.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So here we go again. Linesman going on about Somerset & the Governments response when it's put forward that Penny Mordaunt unlike Denham or Whitehead has fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents. We had 13 years of a Labour Government 13 years where we were in a financial mess & it was getting worse. some say the Falklands saved Maggie Thatcher well the Banking crisis saved Labour as if/when Austerity measures took place with out the banking crisis who would ever vote Labour so that banking crash was Labours get out of jail. It's okay for Denham to bang on about this guy should be for both cities but why should it? did either Labour MP's fight for this city when at least two big employers left? wasn't it A Tory with Denham who argued for funds after Fords? maybe a bit to late as most Ford workers knew it was coming years before it happened. So after the Floods we had in this country with weather no where near as bad as this year we get a Labour supporter going on about Somerset? Besides the huge pumping operation already under way what exactly have this government done differently than Labour? the Armed Forces are being deployed so what else? after the floods we had any building on flood plains should be banned(unless it already is) any houses buildings built on flood plains should be torn down & those flood plains restored. But again this is about an MP crying foul over an issue where a city MP has fought for her city unlike our two Labour MP's. Caroline Nookes has fought more for this city in the short time she's been an MP than at least one of our MP's have maybe the residents of Test will see wise & get rid?[/p][/quote]How, exactly, has Penny Mordaunt 'fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents'? It is my understanding that during the period that she was 'training' for her TV programme, she was spending more time in Southend, where the training took place, than she did in the constituency she represents. If, as you claim, she was doing such a great job, why did your beloved leader think it necessary to appoint a 'Minister for Portsmouth'? Having appointed this new post, and as the appointee has a constituency just along the coast in Kent, do you think it reasonable that he should take more that three weeks before he visits the area? As I have said earlier, I am no fan of Hesseltine, but when he was appointed Minister for Liverpool, he was up there within days. Could it be that Cameron was only paying lip-service to the area? That is certainly the impression it gives. Any MP can ask questions in the house, but many of those made from the government side are planted, to give the PM an easy ride, and a reminder to the constituents of the questioner, that they 'turned up for work.' - and that applies to whatever party is in power. You asked whether either of the city's MPs fought for the city when at least two big employers left. I don't know what other employer you are referring to, but they certainly asked questions about Ford's departure, but it is not much good questioning when your questions fall on deaf ears. You complain about a Labour supporter going on about the problems faced by residents in flood-hit Somerset. Well, that certainly appears to reflect the attitude of your beloved leader. A typical case of NIMBYism on your part, and apparently on his. Strange as it may seem, I care about these people, and something tells me that if you found yourself in the situation that they have found themselves FOR MORE THAN A MONTH, you would be creating merry-hell about a government doing precious little, and very late - especially if it were a Labour government.[/p][/quote]your way out of it on this post aren't you?watching the politics show(daily) she was there arguing for Portsmouth & she was asked about Splash & she said all money will go to charity & Labour & liberal Mp's that where there congratulated her on her good work. I can only go by what I've seen & when PFC were in deep trouble there she was fighting to get David Cameron to help find some one to save the club. since then she has been on PMQ's asking & putting up a good reason why the government should step in & help Portsmouth. In Portsmouth itself exactly what can she achieve there the decisions are made in Parliament not in that city so she has fought for that city. Look just tell me when Whitehead or Denham stood up at PMQ's & fought to save BAT or Martini's? BAT asked them to get it so the factory could export out of the EU the strength of fag the customer wanted to save the factory & jobs both Labour MP's declined. So sorry but on three occasions the Southampton Labour MP's could/should have stood up & fought to save Southampton jobs & two of those companies closing were under a Labour Government yet they kept quiet. Ford closing was on going for years yet no noise from Whitehead or Denham then it closes & Nookes makes more noise than Whitehead & then Denham decides to act . Ask any long serving Ford worker & that factories closure was on the cards about ten years ago if not longer so why didn't our Labour MP's do something back then to try to ensure the factories future? I'm no lover of Portsmouth & I feel Vospers should never have been poached by Portsmouth from Southampton but it was & no out cry from our Labour MP's then. Denham knows Mordaunt has done the job he should have done for this city & is now crying foul? I'd rather her than either of our Labour waste of time MP's[/p][/quote]I wonder what your attitude would have been if she had been a Labour MP, doing exactly the same thing. I am pretty sure that I know the answer. I suppose you had nothing but praise for George Galloway and Nadine Dorries when they appeared on 'I'm a Celebrity.' If that's what you think that is what being an MP is all about, then that is something else we will agree to disagree about. With regard her asking questions. Anyone can ask questions, but what was needed was someone who could get results. Between them, a former Lib Dem, now Independent MP and a current Tory MP were not getting results, so they had to be 'reinforced' by a Cameron appointee to try and sort something out. With the rush that he was in to get down there and start the job, it has all the appearances of a token gesture to make the locals think that something is happening, and will be quietly forgotten when electioneering starts in earnest. BAT moved abroad because of European legislation that would not permit the strength of cigarettes that BAT wanted to export to their Far East market. As our area has always had Tory MEPs to represent us in Brussels, they are the ones that should have been fighting BATs corner on that. As you have a wife who originates from the Far East, I would have thought that you would have been pleased that Denham did not support BAT to export 'cancer sticks' to that area of the world. According to a friend, who was a maintenance engineer at the BAT site, it was very highly automated, and did not have a very large work-force, and those that lost their jobs when it moved, had a pay-off that was considerably higher than was required by law. Linesman
  • Score: 1

7:59pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Linesman says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So here we go again. Linesman going on about Somerset & the Governments response when it's put forward that Penny Mordaunt unlike Denham or Whitehead has fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents.
We had 13 years of a Labour Government 13 years where we were in a financial mess & it was getting worse.
some say the Falklands saved Maggie Thatcher well the Banking crisis saved Labour as if/when Austerity measures took place with out the banking crisis who would ever vote Labour so that banking crash was Labours get out of jail.
It's okay for Denham to bang on about this guy should be for both cities but why should it?
did either Labour MP's fight for this city when at least two big employers left?
wasn't it A Tory with Denham who argued for funds after Fords? maybe a bit to late as most Ford workers knew it was coming years before it happened.
So after the Floods we had in this country with weather no where near as bad as this year we get a Labour supporter going on about Somerset?
Besides the huge pumping operation already under way what exactly have this government done differently than Labour?
the Armed Forces are being deployed so what else?
after the floods we had any building on flood plains should be banned(unless it already is) any houses buildings built on flood plains should be torn down & those flood plains restored.
But again this is about an MP crying foul over an issue where a city MP has fought for her city unlike our two Labour MP's.
Caroline Nookes has fought more for this city in the short time she's been an MP than at least one of our MP's have maybe the residents of Test will see wise & get rid?
How, exactly, has Penny Mordaunt 'fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents'?

It is my understanding that during the period that she was 'training' for her TV programme, she was spending more time in Southend, where the training took place, than she did in the constituency she represents.

If, as you claim, she was doing such a great job, why did your beloved leader think it necessary to appoint a 'Minister for Portsmouth'?

Having appointed this new post, and as the appointee has a constituency just along the coast in Kent, do you think it reasonable that he should take more that three weeks before he visits the area? As I have said earlier, I am no fan of Hesseltine, but when he was appointed Minister for Liverpool, he was up there within days.

Could it be that Cameron was only paying lip-service to the area?

That is certainly the impression it gives.

Any MP can ask questions in the house, but many of those made from the government side are planted, to give the PM an easy ride, and a reminder to the constituents of the questioner, that they 'turned up for work.' - and that applies to whatever party is in power.

You asked whether either of the city's MPs fought for the city when at least two big employers left. I don't know what other employer you are referring to, but they certainly asked questions about Ford's departure, but it is not much good questioning when your questions fall on deaf ears.

You complain about a Labour supporter going on about the problems faced by residents in flood-hit Somerset.

Well, that certainly appears to reflect the attitude of your beloved leader. A typical case of NIMBYism on your part, and apparently on his.

Strange as it may seem, I care about these people, and something tells me that if you found yourself in the situation that they have found themselves FOR MORE THAN A MONTH, you would be creating merry-hell about a government doing precious little, and very late - especially if it were a Labour government.
your way out of it on this post aren't you?watching the politics show(daily) she was there arguing for Portsmouth & she was asked about Splash & she said all money will go to charity & Labour & liberal Mp's that where there congratulated her on her good work.
I can only go by what I've seen & when PFC were in deep trouble there she was fighting to get David Cameron to help find some one to save the club.
since then she has been on PMQ's asking & putting up a good reason why the government should step in & help Portsmouth.
In Portsmouth itself exactly what can she achieve there the decisions are made in Parliament not in that city so she has fought for that city.
Look just tell me when Whitehead or Denham stood up at PMQ's & fought to save BAT or Martini's?
BAT asked them to get it so the factory could export out of the EU the strength of fag the customer wanted to save the factory & jobs both Labour MP's declined.
So sorry but on three occasions the Southampton Labour MP's could/should have stood up & fought to save Southampton jobs & two of those companies closing were under a Labour Government yet they kept quiet.
Ford closing was on going for years yet no noise from Whitehead or Denham then it closes & Nookes makes more noise than Whitehead & then Denham decides to act .
Ask any long serving Ford worker & that factories closure was on the cards about ten years ago if not longer so why didn't our Labour MP's do something back then to try to ensure the factories future?
I'm no lover of Portsmouth & I feel Vospers should never have been poached by Portsmouth from Southampton but it was & no out cry from our Labour MP's then.
Denham knows Mordaunt has done the job he should have done for this city & is now crying foul?
I'd rather her than either of our Labour waste of time MP's
I wonder what your attitude would have been if she had been a Labour MP, doing exactly the same thing.
I am pretty sure that I know the answer.
I suppose you had nothing but praise for George Galloway and Nadine Dorries when they appeared on 'I'm a Celebrity.'
If that's what you think that is what being an MP is all about, then that is something else we will agree to disagree about.

With regard her asking questions. Anyone can ask questions, but what was needed was someone who could get results.

Between them, a former Lib Dem, now Independent MP and a current Tory MP were not getting results, so they had to be 'reinforced' by a Cameron appointee to try and sort something out.

With the rush that he was in to get down there and start the job, it has all the appearances of a token gesture to make the locals think that something is happening, and will be quietly forgotten when electioneering starts in earnest.

BAT moved abroad because of European legislation that would not permit the strength of cigarettes that BAT wanted to export to their Far East market. As our area has always had Tory MEPs to represent us in Brussels, they are the ones that should have been fighting BATs corner on that.

As you have a wife who originates from the Far East, I would have thought that you would have been pleased that Denham did not support BAT to export 'cancer sticks' to that area of the world.

According to a friend, who was a maintenance engineer at the BAT site, it was very highly automated, and did not have a very large work-force, and those that lost their jobs when it moved, had a pay-off that was considerably higher than was required by law.
Just remembered, the MEP was Roy Perry, one of your beloved Tories, father of another of your beloved Tories, Caroline Noakes.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So here we go again. Linesman going on about Somerset & the Governments response when it's put forward that Penny Mordaunt unlike Denham or Whitehead has fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents. We had 13 years of a Labour Government 13 years where we were in a financial mess & it was getting worse. some say the Falklands saved Maggie Thatcher well the Banking crisis saved Labour as if/when Austerity measures took place with out the banking crisis who would ever vote Labour so that banking crash was Labours get out of jail. It's okay for Denham to bang on about this guy should be for both cities but why should it? did either Labour MP's fight for this city when at least two big employers left? wasn't it A Tory with Denham who argued for funds after Fords? maybe a bit to late as most Ford workers knew it was coming years before it happened. So after the Floods we had in this country with weather no where near as bad as this year we get a Labour supporter going on about Somerset? Besides the huge pumping operation already under way what exactly have this government done differently than Labour? the Armed Forces are being deployed so what else? after the floods we had any building on flood plains should be banned(unless it already is) any houses buildings built on flood plains should be torn down & those flood plains restored. But again this is about an MP crying foul over an issue where a city MP has fought for her city unlike our two Labour MP's. Caroline Nookes has fought more for this city in the short time she's been an MP than at least one of our MP's have maybe the residents of Test will see wise & get rid?[/p][/quote]How, exactly, has Penny Mordaunt 'fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents'? It is my understanding that during the period that she was 'training' for her TV programme, she was spending more time in Southend, where the training took place, than she did in the constituency she represents. If, as you claim, she was doing such a great job, why did your beloved leader think it necessary to appoint a 'Minister for Portsmouth'? Having appointed this new post, and as the appointee has a constituency just along the coast in Kent, do you think it reasonable that he should take more that three weeks before he visits the area? As I have said earlier, I am no fan of Hesseltine, but when he was appointed Minister for Liverpool, he was up there within days. Could it be that Cameron was only paying lip-service to the area? That is certainly the impression it gives. Any MP can ask questions in the house, but many of those made from the government side are planted, to give the PM an easy ride, and a reminder to the constituents of the questioner, that they 'turned up for work.' - and that applies to whatever party is in power. You asked whether either of the city's MPs fought for the city when at least two big employers left. I don't know what other employer you are referring to, but they certainly asked questions about Ford's departure, but it is not much good questioning when your questions fall on deaf ears. You complain about a Labour supporter going on about the problems faced by residents in flood-hit Somerset. Well, that certainly appears to reflect the attitude of your beloved leader. A typical case of NIMBYism on your part, and apparently on his. Strange as it may seem, I care about these people, and something tells me that if you found yourself in the situation that they have found themselves FOR MORE THAN A MONTH, you would be creating merry-hell about a government doing precious little, and very late - especially if it were a Labour government.[/p][/quote]your way out of it on this post aren't you?watching the politics show(daily) she was there arguing for Portsmouth & she was asked about Splash & she said all money will go to charity & Labour & liberal Mp's that where there congratulated her on her good work. I can only go by what I've seen & when PFC were in deep trouble there she was fighting to get David Cameron to help find some one to save the club. since then she has been on PMQ's asking & putting up a good reason why the government should step in & help Portsmouth. In Portsmouth itself exactly what can she achieve there the decisions are made in Parliament not in that city so she has fought for that city. Look just tell me when Whitehead or Denham stood up at PMQ's & fought to save BAT or Martini's? BAT asked them to get it so the factory could export out of the EU the strength of fag the customer wanted to save the factory & jobs both Labour MP's declined. So sorry but on three occasions the Southampton Labour MP's could/should have stood up & fought to save Southampton jobs & two of those companies closing were under a Labour Government yet they kept quiet. Ford closing was on going for years yet no noise from Whitehead or Denham then it closes & Nookes makes more noise than Whitehead & then Denham decides to act . Ask any long serving Ford worker & that factories closure was on the cards about ten years ago if not longer so why didn't our Labour MP's do something back then to try to ensure the factories future? I'm no lover of Portsmouth & I feel Vospers should never have been poached by Portsmouth from Southampton but it was & no out cry from our Labour MP's then. Denham knows Mordaunt has done the job he should have done for this city & is now crying foul? I'd rather her than either of our Labour waste of time MP's[/p][/quote]I wonder what your attitude would have been if she had been a Labour MP, doing exactly the same thing. I am pretty sure that I know the answer. I suppose you had nothing but praise for George Galloway and Nadine Dorries when they appeared on 'I'm a Celebrity.' If that's what you think that is what being an MP is all about, then that is something else we will agree to disagree about. With regard her asking questions. Anyone can ask questions, but what was needed was someone who could get results. Between them, a former Lib Dem, now Independent MP and a current Tory MP were not getting results, so they had to be 'reinforced' by a Cameron appointee to try and sort something out. With the rush that he was in to get down there and start the job, it has all the appearances of a token gesture to make the locals think that something is happening, and will be quietly forgotten when electioneering starts in earnest. BAT moved abroad because of European legislation that would not permit the strength of cigarettes that BAT wanted to export to their Far East market. As our area has always had Tory MEPs to represent us in Brussels, they are the ones that should have been fighting BATs corner on that. As you have a wife who originates from the Far East, I would have thought that you would have been pleased that Denham did not support BAT to export 'cancer sticks' to that area of the world. According to a friend, who was a maintenance engineer at the BAT site, it was very highly automated, and did not have a very large work-force, and those that lost their jobs when it moved, had a pay-off that was considerably higher than was required by law.[/p][/quote]Just remembered, the MEP was Roy Perry, one of your beloved Tories, father of another of your beloved Tories, Caroline Noakes. Linesman
  • Score: 1

8:49pm Fri 31 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So here we go again. Linesman going on about Somerset & the Governments response when it's put forward that Penny Mordaunt unlike Denham or Whitehead has fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents.
We had 13 years of a Labour Government 13 years where we were in a financial mess & it was getting worse.
some say the Falklands saved Maggie Thatcher well the Banking crisis saved Labour as if/when Austerity measures took place with out the banking crisis who would ever vote Labour so that banking crash was Labours get out of jail.
It's okay for Denham to bang on about this guy should be for both cities but why should it?
did either Labour MP's fight for this city when at least two big employers left?
wasn't it A Tory with Denham who argued for funds after Fords? maybe a bit to late as most Ford workers knew it was coming years before it happened.
So after the Floods we had in this country with weather no where near as bad as this year we get a Labour supporter going on about Somerset?
Besides the huge pumping operation already under way what exactly have this government done differently than Labour?
the Armed Forces are being deployed so what else?
after the floods we had any building on flood plains should be banned(unless it already is) any houses buildings built on flood plains should be torn down & those flood plains restored.
But again this is about an MP crying foul over an issue where a city MP has fought for her city unlike our two Labour MP's.
Caroline Nookes has fought more for this city in the short time she's been an MP than at least one of our MP's have maybe the residents of Test will see wise & get rid?
How, exactly, has Penny Mordaunt 'fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents'?

It is my understanding that during the period that she was 'training' for her TV programme, she was spending more time in Southend, where the training took place, than she did in the constituency she represents.

If, as you claim, she was doing such a great job, why did your beloved leader think it necessary to appoint a 'Minister for Portsmouth'?

Having appointed this new post, and as the appointee has a constituency just along the coast in Kent, do you think it reasonable that he should take more that three weeks before he visits the area? As I have said earlier, I am no fan of Hesseltine, but when he was appointed Minister for Liverpool, he was up there within days.

Could it be that Cameron was only paying lip-service to the area?

That is certainly the impression it gives.

Any MP can ask questions in the house, but many of those made from the government side are planted, to give the PM an easy ride, and a reminder to the constituents of the questioner, that they 'turned up for work.' - and that applies to whatever party is in power.

You asked whether either of the city's MPs fought for the city when at least two big employers left. I don't know what other employer you are referring to, but they certainly asked questions about Ford's departure, but it is not much good questioning when your questions fall on deaf ears.

You complain about a Labour supporter going on about the problems faced by residents in flood-hit Somerset.

Well, that certainly appears to reflect the attitude of your beloved leader. A typical case of NIMBYism on your part, and apparently on his.

Strange as it may seem, I care about these people, and something tells me that if you found yourself in the situation that they have found themselves FOR MORE THAN A MONTH, you would be creating merry-hell about a government doing precious little, and very late - especially if it were a Labour government.
your way out of it on this post aren't you?watching the politics show(daily) she was there arguing for Portsmouth & she was asked about Splash & she said all money will go to charity & Labour & liberal Mp's that where there congratulated her on her good work.
I can only go by what I've seen & when PFC were in deep trouble there she was fighting to get David Cameron to help find some one to save the club.
since then she has been on PMQ's asking & putting up a good reason why the government should step in & help Portsmouth.
In Portsmouth itself exactly what can she achieve there the decisions are made in Parliament not in that city so she has fought for that city.
Look just tell me when Whitehead or Denham stood up at PMQ's & fought to save BAT or Martini's?
BAT asked them to get it so the factory could export out of the EU the strength of fag the customer wanted to save the factory & jobs both Labour MP's declined.
So sorry but on three occasions the Southampton Labour MP's could/should have stood up & fought to save Southampton jobs & two of those companies closing were under a Labour Government yet they kept quiet.
Ford closing was on going for years yet no noise from Whitehead or Denham then it closes & Nookes makes more noise than Whitehead & then Denham decides to act .
Ask any long serving Ford worker & that factories closure was on the cards about ten years ago if not longer so why didn't our Labour MP's do something back then to try to ensure the factories future?
I'm no lover of Portsmouth & I feel Vospers should never have been poached by Portsmouth from Southampton but it was & no out cry from our Labour MP's then.
Denham knows Mordaunt has done the job he should have done for this city & is now crying foul?
I'd rather her than either of our Labour waste of time MP's
I wonder what your attitude would have been if she had been a Labour MP, doing exactly the same thing.
I am pretty sure that I know the answer.
I suppose you had nothing but praise for George Galloway and Nadine Dorries when they appeared on 'I'm a Celebrity.'
If that's what you think that is what being an MP is all about, then that is something else we will agree to disagree about.

With regard her asking questions. Anyone can ask questions, but what was needed was someone who could get results.

Between them, a former Lib Dem, now Independent MP and a current Tory MP were not getting results, so they had to be 'reinforced' by a Cameron appointee to try and sort something out.

With the rush that he was in to get down there and start the job, it has all the appearances of a token gesture to make the locals think that something is happening, and will be quietly forgotten when electioneering starts in earnest.

BAT moved abroad because of European legislation that would not permit the strength of cigarettes that BAT wanted to export to their Far East market. As our area has always had Tory MEPs to represent us in Brussels, they are the ones that should have been fighting BATs corner on that.

As you have a wife who originates from the Far East, I would have thought that you would have been pleased that Denham did not support BAT to export 'cancer sticks' to that area of the world.

According to a friend, who was a maintenance engineer at the BAT site, it was very highly automated, and did not have a very large work-force, and those that lost their jobs when it moved, had a pay-off that was considerably higher than was required by law.
so your talking about a company that I worked for ,for 25 years? you don't know the whole story yet you think you know it all?
Germany allowed Full strength production cigarettes & told the EU to take them to court,
BAT Southampton accepted low tar fags for the EU but wanted Tony blair to argue that we could carry on Exporting the high tar to the countries that wanted it.
Blair refused we(BAT) asked Whitehead & Denham to fight for us as our Tory MEP had fought to allow us to do just that & it had to have the okay of our government but like Blair they refused to do it.
You call them cancer sticks yet our government our NHS are happy to receive the tax revenue from them aren't they.
George Galloway was a total joke & should go & live in a country he would be acceptable in as for Nadine Dorries the reason why the both of them got into trouble was they received payment & weren't available to do the job in parliament they were voted in for.
Penny Mordaunt was & gave the money to charity in actual fact she made it clear before & whilst doing it that was the reason.
Your friend was talking out of his back side there was 1,000 workers & I worked on A production machine.
the only thing automated were the robots AGV's that collected the pallets of finished goods & delivered materials to run the machines that operators had to use.
there was three people to each machine ( packer & maker) there were electricians & fitters there were spare in case of holidays which took the manning level up to four per unit.
there were operators who kept an eye on the robots as they had a tendency to break down or go off the tracks & to operate the cranes in the high bay warehouse as the system always broke down then you had fork truck drivers loading the containers then you had IT technicians programming the computers so not many people working there?
what was the name of the idiot you call a friend?
I was a top worker always exceeding production targets so maintenance ? sit in the boiler house doing nothing?
Ask a real worker next time for the facts as again your so very wrong
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So here we go again. Linesman going on about Somerset & the Governments response when it's put forward that Penny Mordaunt unlike Denham or Whitehead has fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents. We had 13 years of a Labour Government 13 years where we were in a financial mess & it was getting worse. some say the Falklands saved Maggie Thatcher well the Banking crisis saved Labour as if/when Austerity measures took place with out the banking crisis who would ever vote Labour so that banking crash was Labours get out of jail. It's okay for Denham to bang on about this guy should be for both cities but why should it? did either Labour MP's fight for this city when at least two big employers left? wasn't it A Tory with Denham who argued for funds after Fords? maybe a bit to late as most Ford workers knew it was coming years before it happened. So after the Floods we had in this country with weather no where near as bad as this year we get a Labour supporter going on about Somerset? Besides the huge pumping operation already under way what exactly have this government done differently than Labour? the Armed Forces are being deployed so what else? after the floods we had any building on flood plains should be banned(unless it already is) any houses buildings built on flood plains should be torn down & those flood plains restored. But again this is about an MP crying foul over an issue where a city MP has fought for her city unlike our two Labour MP's. Caroline Nookes has fought more for this city in the short time she's been an MP than at least one of our MP's have maybe the residents of Test will see wise & get rid?[/p][/quote]How, exactly, has Penny Mordaunt 'fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents'? It is my understanding that during the period that she was 'training' for her TV programme, she was spending more time in Southend, where the training took place, than she did in the constituency she represents. If, as you claim, she was doing such a great job, why did your beloved leader think it necessary to appoint a 'Minister for Portsmouth'? Having appointed this new post, and as the appointee has a constituency just along the coast in Kent, do you think it reasonable that he should take more that three weeks before he visits the area? As I have said earlier, I am no fan of Hesseltine, but when he was appointed Minister for Liverpool, he was up there within days. Could it be that Cameron was only paying lip-service to the area? That is certainly the impression it gives. Any MP can ask questions in the house, but many of those made from the government side are planted, to give the PM an easy ride, and a reminder to the constituents of the questioner, that they 'turned up for work.' - and that applies to whatever party is in power. You asked whether either of the city's MPs fought for the city when at least two big employers left. I don't know what other employer you are referring to, but they certainly asked questions about Ford's departure, but it is not much good questioning when your questions fall on deaf ears. You complain about a Labour supporter going on about the problems faced by residents in flood-hit Somerset. Well, that certainly appears to reflect the attitude of your beloved leader. A typical case of NIMBYism on your part, and apparently on his. Strange as it may seem, I care about these people, and something tells me that if you found yourself in the situation that they have found themselves FOR MORE THAN A MONTH, you would be creating merry-hell about a government doing precious little, and very late - especially if it were a Labour government.[/p][/quote]your way out of it on this post aren't you?watching the politics show(daily) she was there arguing for Portsmouth & she was asked about Splash & she said all money will go to charity & Labour & liberal Mp's that where there congratulated her on her good work. I can only go by what I've seen & when PFC were in deep trouble there she was fighting to get David Cameron to help find some one to save the club. since then she has been on PMQ's asking & putting up a good reason why the government should step in & help Portsmouth. In Portsmouth itself exactly what can she achieve there the decisions are made in Parliament not in that city so she has fought for that city. Look just tell me when Whitehead or Denham stood up at PMQ's & fought to save BAT or Martini's? BAT asked them to get it so the factory could export out of the EU the strength of fag the customer wanted to save the factory & jobs both Labour MP's declined. So sorry but on three occasions the Southampton Labour MP's could/should have stood up & fought to save Southampton jobs & two of those companies closing were under a Labour Government yet they kept quiet. Ford closing was on going for years yet no noise from Whitehead or Denham then it closes & Nookes makes more noise than Whitehead & then Denham decides to act . Ask any long serving Ford worker & that factories closure was on the cards about ten years ago if not longer so why didn't our Labour MP's do something back then to try to ensure the factories future? I'm no lover of Portsmouth & I feel Vospers should never have been poached by Portsmouth from Southampton but it was & no out cry from our Labour MP's then. Denham knows Mordaunt has done the job he should have done for this city & is now crying foul? I'd rather her than either of our Labour waste of time MP's[/p][/quote]I wonder what your attitude would have been if she had been a Labour MP, doing exactly the same thing. I am pretty sure that I know the answer. I suppose you had nothing but praise for George Galloway and Nadine Dorries when they appeared on 'I'm a Celebrity.' If that's what you think that is what being an MP is all about, then that is something else we will agree to disagree about. With regard her asking questions. Anyone can ask questions, but what was needed was someone who could get results. Between them, a former Lib Dem, now Independent MP and a current Tory MP were not getting results, so they had to be 'reinforced' by a Cameron appointee to try and sort something out. With the rush that he was in to get down there and start the job, it has all the appearances of a token gesture to make the locals think that something is happening, and will be quietly forgotten when electioneering starts in earnest. BAT moved abroad because of European legislation that would not permit the strength of cigarettes that BAT wanted to export to their Far East market. As our area has always had Tory MEPs to represent us in Brussels, they are the ones that should have been fighting BATs corner on that. As you have a wife who originates from the Far East, I would have thought that you would have been pleased that Denham did not support BAT to export 'cancer sticks' to that area of the world. According to a friend, who was a maintenance engineer at the BAT site, it was very highly automated, and did not have a very large work-force, and those that lost their jobs when it moved, had a pay-off that was considerably higher than was required by law.[/p][/quote]so your talking about a company that I worked for ,for 25 years? you don't know the whole story yet you think you know it all? Germany allowed Full strength production cigarettes & told the EU to take them to court, BAT Southampton accepted low tar fags for the EU but wanted Tony blair to argue that we could carry on Exporting the high tar to the countries that wanted it. Blair refused we(BAT) asked Whitehead & Denham to fight for us as our Tory MEP had fought to allow us to do just that & it had to have the okay of our government but like Blair they refused to do it. You call them cancer sticks yet our government our NHS are happy to receive the tax revenue from them aren't they. George Galloway was a total joke & should go & live in a country he would be acceptable in as for Nadine Dorries the reason why the both of them got into trouble was they received payment & weren't available to do the job in parliament they were voted in for. Penny Mordaunt was & gave the money to charity in actual fact she made it clear before & whilst doing it that was the reason. Your friend was talking out of his back side there was 1,000 workers & I worked on A production machine. the only thing automated were the robots AGV's that collected the pallets of finished goods & delivered materials to run the machines that operators had to use. there was three people to each machine ( packer & maker) there were electricians & fitters there were spare in case of holidays which took the manning level up to four per unit. there were operators who kept an eye on the robots as they had a tendency to break down or go off the tracks & to operate the cranes in the high bay warehouse as the system always broke down then you had fork truck drivers loading the containers then you had IT technicians programming the computers so not many people working there? what was the name of the idiot you call a friend? I was a top worker always exceeding production targets so maintenance ? sit in the boiler house doing nothing? Ask a real worker next time for the facts as again your so very wrong loosehead
  • Score: -1

11:00pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So here we go again. Linesman going on about Somerset & the Governments response when it's put forward that Penny Mordaunt unlike Denham or Whitehead has fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents.
We had 13 years of a Labour Government 13 years where we were in a financial mess & it was getting worse.
some say the Falklands saved Maggie Thatcher well the Banking crisis saved Labour as if/when Austerity measures took place with out the banking crisis who would ever vote Labour so that banking crash was Labours get out of jail.
It's okay for Denham to bang on about this guy should be for both cities but why should it?
did either Labour MP's fight for this city when at least two big employers left?
wasn't it A Tory with Denham who argued for funds after Fords? maybe a bit to late as most Ford workers knew it was coming years before it happened.
So after the Floods we had in this country with weather no where near as bad as this year we get a Labour supporter going on about Somerset?
Besides the huge pumping operation already under way what exactly have this government done differently than Labour?
the Armed Forces are being deployed so what else?
after the floods we had any building on flood plains should be banned(unless it already is) any houses buildings built on flood plains should be torn down & those flood plains restored.
But again this is about an MP crying foul over an issue where a city MP has fought for her city unlike our two Labour MP's.
Caroline Nookes has fought more for this city in the short time she's been an MP than at least one of our MP's have maybe the residents of Test will see wise & get rid?
How, exactly, has Penny Mordaunt 'fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents'?

It is my understanding that during the period that she was 'training' for her TV programme, she was spending more time in Southend, where the training took place, than she did in the constituency she represents.

If, as you claim, she was doing such a great job, why did your beloved leader think it necessary to appoint a 'Minister for Portsmouth'?

Having appointed this new post, and as the appointee has a constituency just along the coast in Kent, do you think it reasonable that he should take more that three weeks before he visits the area? As I have said earlier, I am no fan of Hesseltine, but when he was appointed Minister for Liverpool, he was up there within days.

Could it be that Cameron was only paying lip-service to the area?

That is certainly the impression it gives.

Any MP can ask questions in the house, but many of those made from the government side are planted, to give the PM an easy ride, and a reminder to the constituents of the questioner, that they 'turned up for work.' - and that applies to whatever party is in power.

You asked whether either of the city's MPs fought for the city when at least two big employers left. I don't know what other employer you are referring to, but they certainly asked questions about Ford's departure, but it is not much good questioning when your questions fall on deaf ears.

You complain about a Labour supporter going on about the problems faced by residents in flood-hit Somerset.

Well, that certainly appears to reflect the attitude of your beloved leader. A typical case of NIMBYism on your part, and apparently on his.

Strange as it may seem, I care about these people, and something tells me that if you found yourself in the situation that they have found themselves FOR MORE THAN A MONTH, you would be creating merry-hell about a government doing precious little, and very late - especially if it were a Labour government.
your way out of it on this post aren't you?watching the politics show(daily) she was there arguing for Portsmouth & she was asked about Splash & she said all money will go to charity & Labour & liberal Mp's that where there congratulated her on her good work.
I can only go by what I've seen & when PFC were in deep trouble there she was fighting to get David Cameron to help find some one to save the club.
since then she has been on PMQ's asking & putting up a good reason why the government should step in & help Portsmouth.
In Portsmouth itself exactly what can she achieve there the decisions are made in Parliament not in that city so she has fought for that city.
Look just tell me when Whitehead or Denham stood up at PMQ's & fought to save BAT or Martini's?
BAT asked them to get it so the factory could export out of the EU the strength of fag the customer wanted to save the factory & jobs both Labour MP's declined.
So sorry but on three occasions the Southampton Labour MP's could/should have stood up & fought to save Southampton jobs & two of those companies closing were under a Labour Government yet they kept quiet.
Ford closing was on going for years yet no noise from Whitehead or Denham then it closes & Nookes makes more noise than Whitehead & then Denham decides to act .
Ask any long serving Ford worker & that factories closure was on the cards about ten years ago if not longer so why didn't our Labour MP's do something back then to try to ensure the factories future?
I'm no lover of Portsmouth & I feel Vospers should never have been poached by Portsmouth from Southampton but it was & no out cry from our Labour MP's then.
Denham knows Mordaunt has done the job he should have done for this city & is now crying foul?
I'd rather her than either of our Labour waste of time MP's
I wonder what your attitude would have been if she had been a Labour MP, doing exactly the same thing.
I am pretty sure that I know the answer.
I suppose you had nothing but praise for George Galloway and Nadine Dorries when they appeared on 'I'm a Celebrity.'
If that's what you think that is what being an MP is all about, then that is something else we will agree to disagree about.

With regard her asking questions. Anyone can ask questions, but what was needed was someone who could get results.

Between them, a former Lib Dem, now Independent MP and a current Tory MP were not getting results, so they had to be 'reinforced' by a Cameron appointee to try and sort something out.

With the rush that he was in to get down there and start the job, it has all the appearances of a token gesture to make the locals think that something is happening, and will be quietly forgotten when electioneering starts in earnest.

BAT moved abroad because of European legislation that would not permit the strength of cigarettes that BAT wanted to export to their Far East market. As our area has always had Tory MEPs to represent us in Brussels, they are the ones that should have been fighting BATs corner on that.

As you have a wife who originates from the Far East, I would have thought that you would have been pleased that Denham did not support BAT to export 'cancer sticks' to that area of the world.

According to a friend, who was a maintenance engineer at the BAT site, it was very highly automated, and did not have a very large work-force, and those that lost their jobs when it moved, had a pay-off that was considerably higher than was required by law.
so your talking about a company that I worked for ,for 25 years? you don't know the whole story yet you think you know it all?
Germany allowed Full strength production cigarettes & told the EU to take them to court,
BAT Southampton accepted low tar fags for the EU but wanted Tony blair to argue that we could carry on Exporting the high tar to the countries that wanted it.
Blair refused we(BAT) asked Whitehead & Denham to fight for us as our Tory MEP had fought to allow us to do just that & it had to have the okay of our government but like Blair they refused to do it.
You call them cancer sticks yet our government our NHS are happy to receive the tax revenue from them aren't they.
George Galloway was a total joke & should go & live in a country he would be acceptable in as for Nadine Dorries the reason why the both of them got into trouble was they received payment & weren't available to do the job in parliament they were voted in for.
Penny Mordaunt was & gave the money to charity in actual fact she made it clear before & whilst doing it that was the reason.
Your friend was talking out of his back side there was 1,000 workers & I worked on A production machine.
the only thing automated were the robots AGV's that collected the pallets of finished goods & delivered materials to run the machines that operators had to use.
there was three people to each machine ( packer & maker) there were electricians & fitters there were spare in case of holidays which took the manning level up to four per unit.
there were operators who kept an eye on the robots as they had a tendency to break down or go off the tracks & to operate the cranes in the high bay warehouse as the system always broke down then you had fork truck drivers loading the containers then you had IT technicians programming the computers so not many people working there?
what was the name of the idiot you call a friend?
I was a top worker always exceeding production targets so maintenance ? sit in the boiler house doing nothing?
Ask a real worker next time for the facts as again your so very wrong
Penny Mordaunt also claimed 90p (Repeat) 90p on her expenses for one of her staff to drive from her HQ to the Hilsea Lido, one of the recipients of the money she was being paid by the TV company.

As she is a Tory, you will probably defend her, but I think that, if the Hilsea Lido was as 'dear to her heart' as she would have us believe, then is it to much to expect her to give at least 90p from her own pocket?

You have often said that you prefer to believe your friends, and I understand that, because I have never had any reason to doubt my friend.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So here we go again. Linesman going on about Somerset & the Governments response when it's put forward that Penny Mordaunt unlike Denham or Whitehead has fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents. We had 13 years of a Labour Government 13 years where we were in a financial mess & it was getting worse. some say the Falklands saved Maggie Thatcher well the Banking crisis saved Labour as if/when Austerity measures took place with out the banking crisis who would ever vote Labour so that banking crash was Labours get out of jail. It's okay for Denham to bang on about this guy should be for both cities but why should it? did either Labour MP's fight for this city when at least two big employers left? wasn't it A Tory with Denham who argued for funds after Fords? maybe a bit to late as most Ford workers knew it was coming years before it happened. So after the Floods we had in this country with weather no where near as bad as this year we get a Labour supporter going on about Somerset? Besides the huge pumping operation already under way what exactly have this government done differently than Labour? the Armed Forces are being deployed so what else? after the floods we had any building on flood plains should be banned(unless it already is) any houses buildings built on flood plains should be torn down & those flood plains restored. But again this is about an MP crying foul over an issue where a city MP has fought for her city unlike our two Labour MP's. Caroline Nookes has fought more for this city in the short time she's been an MP than at least one of our MP's have maybe the residents of Test will see wise & get rid?[/p][/quote]How, exactly, has Penny Mordaunt 'fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents'? It is my understanding that during the period that she was 'training' for her TV programme, she was spending more time in Southend, where the training took place, than she did in the constituency she represents. If, as you claim, she was doing such a great job, why did your beloved leader think it necessary to appoint a 'Minister for Portsmouth'? Having appointed this new post, and as the appointee has a constituency just along the coast in Kent, do you think it reasonable that he should take more that three weeks before he visits the area? As I have said earlier, I am no fan of Hesseltine, but when he was appointed Minister for Liverpool, he was up there within days. Could it be that Cameron was only paying lip-service to the area? That is certainly the impression it gives. Any MP can ask questions in the house, but many of those made from the government side are planted, to give the PM an easy ride, and a reminder to the constituents of the questioner, that they 'turned up for work.' - and that applies to whatever party is in power. You asked whether either of the city's MPs fought for the city when at least two big employers left. I don't know what other employer you are referring to, but they certainly asked questions about Ford's departure, but it is not much good questioning when your questions fall on deaf ears. You complain about a Labour supporter going on about the problems faced by residents in flood-hit Somerset. Well, that certainly appears to reflect the attitude of your beloved leader. A typical case of NIMBYism on your part, and apparently on his. Strange as it may seem, I care about these people, and something tells me that if you found yourself in the situation that they have found themselves FOR MORE THAN A MONTH, you would be creating merry-hell about a government doing precious little, and very late - especially if it were a Labour government.[/p][/quote]your way out of it on this post aren't you?watching the politics show(daily) she was there arguing for Portsmouth & she was asked about Splash & she said all money will go to charity & Labour & liberal Mp's that where there congratulated her on her good work. I can only go by what I've seen & when PFC were in deep trouble there she was fighting to get David Cameron to help find some one to save the club. since then she has been on PMQ's asking & putting up a good reason why the government should step in & help Portsmouth. In Portsmouth itself exactly what can she achieve there the decisions are made in Parliament not in that city so she has fought for that city. Look just tell me when Whitehead or Denham stood up at PMQ's & fought to save BAT or Martini's? BAT asked them to get it so the factory could export out of the EU the strength of fag the customer wanted to save the factory & jobs both Labour MP's declined. So sorry but on three occasions the Southampton Labour MP's could/should have stood up & fought to save Southampton jobs & two of those companies closing were under a Labour Government yet they kept quiet. Ford closing was on going for years yet no noise from Whitehead or Denham then it closes & Nookes makes more noise than Whitehead & then Denham decides to act . Ask any long serving Ford worker & that factories closure was on the cards about ten years ago if not longer so why didn't our Labour MP's do something back then to try to ensure the factories future? I'm no lover of Portsmouth & I feel Vospers should never have been poached by Portsmouth from Southampton but it was & no out cry from our Labour MP's then. Denham knows Mordaunt has done the job he should have done for this city & is now crying foul? I'd rather her than either of our Labour waste of time MP's[/p][/quote]I wonder what your attitude would have been if she had been a Labour MP, doing exactly the same thing. I am pretty sure that I know the answer. I suppose you had nothing but praise for George Galloway and Nadine Dorries when they appeared on 'I'm a Celebrity.' If that's what you think that is what being an MP is all about, then that is something else we will agree to disagree about. With regard her asking questions. Anyone can ask questions, but what was needed was someone who could get results. Between them, a former Lib Dem, now Independent MP and a current Tory MP were not getting results, so they had to be 'reinforced' by a Cameron appointee to try and sort something out. With the rush that he was in to get down there and start the job, it has all the appearances of a token gesture to make the locals think that something is happening, and will be quietly forgotten when electioneering starts in earnest. BAT moved abroad because of European legislation that would not permit the strength of cigarettes that BAT wanted to export to their Far East market. As our area has always had Tory MEPs to represent us in Brussels, they are the ones that should have been fighting BATs corner on that. As you have a wife who originates from the Far East, I would have thought that you would have been pleased that Denham did not support BAT to export 'cancer sticks' to that area of the world. According to a friend, who was a maintenance engineer at the BAT site, it was very highly automated, and did not have a very large work-force, and those that lost their jobs when it moved, had a pay-off that was considerably higher than was required by law.[/p][/quote]so your talking about a company that I worked for ,for 25 years? you don't know the whole story yet you think you know it all? Germany allowed Full strength production cigarettes & told the EU to take them to court, BAT Southampton accepted low tar fags for the EU but wanted Tony blair to argue that we could carry on Exporting the high tar to the countries that wanted it. Blair refused we(BAT) asked Whitehead & Denham to fight for us as our Tory MEP had fought to allow us to do just that & it had to have the okay of our government but like Blair they refused to do it. You call them cancer sticks yet our government our NHS are happy to receive the tax revenue from them aren't they. George Galloway was a total joke & should go & live in a country he would be acceptable in as for Nadine Dorries the reason why the both of them got into trouble was they received payment & weren't available to do the job in parliament they were voted in for. Penny Mordaunt was & gave the money to charity in actual fact she made it clear before & whilst doing it that was the reason. Your friend was talking out of his back side there was 1,000 workers & I worked on A production machine. the only thing automated were the robots AGV's that collected the pallets of finished goods & delivered materials to run the machines that operators had to use. there was three people to each machine ( packer & maker) there were electricians & fitters there were spare in case of holidays which took the manning level up to four per unit. there were operators who kept an eye on the robots as they had a tendency to break down or go off the tracks & to operate the cranes in the high bay warehouse as the system always broke down then you had fork truck drivers loading the containers then you had IT technicians programming the computers so not many people working there? what was the name of the idiot you call a friend? I was a top worker always exceeding production targets so maintenance ? sit in the boiler house doing nothing? Ask a real worker next time for the facts as again your so very wrong[/p][/quote]Penny Mordaunt also claimed 90p (Repeat) 90p on her expenses for one of her staff to drive from her HQ to the Hilsea Lido, one of the recipients of the money she was being paid by the TV company. As she is a Tory, you will probably defend her, but I think that, if the Hilsea Lido was as 'dear to her heart' as she would have us believe, then is it to much to expect her to give at least 90p from her own pocket? You have often said that you prefer to believe your friends, and I understand that, because I have never had any reason to doubt my friend. Linesman
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8:15am Sat 1 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So here we go again. Linesman going on about Somerset & the Governments response when it's put forward that Penny Mordaunt unlike Denham or Whitehead has fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents.
We had 13 years of a Labour Government 13 years where we were in a financial mess & it was getting worse.
some say the Falklands saved Maggie Thatcher well the Banking crisis saved Labour as if/when Austerity measures took place with out the banking crisis who would ever vote Labour so that banking crash was Labours get out of jail.
It's okay for Denham to bang on about this guy should be for both cities but why should it?
did either Labour MP's fight for this city when at least two big employers left?
wasn't it A Tory with Denham who argued for funds after Fords? maybe a bit to late as most Ford workers knew it was coming years before it happened.
So after the Floods we had in this country with weather no where near as bad as this year we get a Labour supporter going on about Somerset?
Besides the huge pumping operation already under way what exactly have this government done differently than Labour?
the Armed Forces are being deployed so what else?
after the floods we had any building on flood plains should be banned(unless it already is) any houses buildings built on flood plains should be torn down & those flood plains restored.
But again this is about an MP crying foul over an issue where a city MP has fought for her city unlike our two Labour MP's.
Caroline Nookes has fought more for this city in the short time she's been an MP than at least one of our MP's have maybe the residents of Test will see wise & get rid?
How, exactly, has Penny Mordaunt 'fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents'?

It is my understanding that during the period that she was 'training' for her TV programme, she was spending more time in Southend, where the training took place, than she did in the constituency she represents.

If, as you claim, she was doing such a great job, why did your beloved leader think it necessary to appoint a 'Minister for Portsmouth'?

Having appointed this new post, and as the appointee has a constituency just along the coast in Kent, do you think it reasonable that he should take more that three weeks before he visits the area? As I have said earlier, I am no fan of Hesseltine, but when he was appointed Minister for Liverpool, he was up there within days.

Could it be that Cameron was only paying lip-service to the area?

That is certainly the impression it gives.

Any MP can ask questions in the house, but many of those made from the government side are planted, to give the PM an easy ride, and a reminder to the constituents of the questioner, that they 'turned up for work.' - and that applies to whatever party is in power.

You asked whether either of the city's MPs fought for the city when at least two big employers left. I don't know what other employer you are referring to, but they certainly asked questions about Ford's departure, but it is not much good questioning when your questions fall on deaf ears.

You complain about a Labour supporter going on about the problems faced by residents in flood-hit Somerset.

Well, that certainly appears to reflect the attitude of your beloved leader. A typical case of NIMBYism on your part, and apparently on his.

Strange as it may seem, I care about these people, and something tells me that if you found yourself in the situation that they have found themselves FOR MORE THAN A MONTH, you would be creating merry-hell about a government doing precious little, and very late - especially if it were a Labour government.
your way out of it on this post aren't you?watching the politics show(daily) she was there arguing for Portsmouth & she was asked about Splash & she said all money will go to charity & Labour & liberal Mp's that where there congratulated her on her good work.
I can only go by what I've seen & when PFC were in deep trouble there she was fighting to get David Cameron to help find some one to save the club.
since then she has been on PMQ's asking & putting up a good reason why the government should step in & help Portsmouth.
In Portsmouth itself exactly what can she achieve there the decisions are made in Parliament not in that city so she has fought for that city.
Look just tell me when Whitehead or Denham stood up at PMQ's & fought to save BAT or Martini's?
BAT asked them to get it so the factory could export out of the EU the strength of fag the customer wanted to save the factory & jobs both Labour MP's declined.
So sorry but on three occasions the Southampton Labour MP's could/should have stood up & fought to save Southampton jobs & two of those companies closing were under a Labour Government yet they kept quiet.
Ford closing was on going for years yet no noise from Whitehead or Denham then it closes & Nookes makes more noise than Whitehead & then Denham decides to act .
Ask any long serving Ford worker & that factories closure was on the cards about ten years ago if not longer so why didn't our Labour MP's do something back then to try to ensure the factories future?
I'm no lover of Portsmouth & I feel Vospers should never have been poached by Portsmouth from Southampton but it was & no out cry from our Labour MP's then.
Denham knows Mordaunt has done the job he should have done for this city & is now crying foul?
I'd rather her than either of our Labour waste of time MP's
I wonder what your attitude would have been if she had been a Labour MP, doing exactly the same thing.
I am pretty sure that I know the answer.
I suppose you had nothing but praise for George Galloway and Nadine Dorries when they appeared on 'I'm a Celebrity.'
If that's what you think that is what being an MP is all about, then that is something else we will agree to disagree about.

With regard her asking questions. Anyone can ask questions, but what was needed was someone who could get results.

Between them, a former Lib Dem, now Independent MP and a current Tory MP were not getting results, so they had to be 'reinforced' by a Cameron appointee to try and sort something out.

With the rush that he was in to get down there and start the job, it has all the appearances of a token gesture to make the locals think that something is happening, and will be quietly forgotten when electioneering starts in earnest.

BAT moved abroad because of European legislation that would not permit the strength of cigarettes that BAT wanted to export to their Far East market. As our area has always had Tory MEPs to represent us in Brussels, they are the ones that should have been fighting BATs corner on that.

As you have a wife who originates from the Far East, I would have thought that you would have been pleased that Denham did not support BAT to export 'cancer sticks' to that area of the world.

According to a friend, who was a maintenance engineer at the BAT site, it was very highly automated, and did not have a very large work-force, and those that lost their jobs when it moved, had a pay-off that was considerably higher than was required by law.
so your talking about a company that I worked for ,for 25 years? you don't know the whole story yet you think you know it all?
Germany allowed Full strength production cigarettes & told the EU to take them to court,
BAT Southampton accepted low tar fags for the EU but wanted Tony blair to argue that we could carry on Exporting the high tar to the countries that wanted it.
Blair refused we(BAT) asked Whitehead & Denham to fight for us as our Tory MEP had fought to allow us to do just that & it had to have the okay of our government but like Blair they refused to do it.
You call them cancer sticks yet our government our NHS are happy to receive the tax revenue from them aren't they.
George Galloway was a total joke & should go & live in a country he would be acceptable in as for Nadine Dorries the reason why the both of them got into trouble was they received payment & weren't available to do the job in parliament they were voted in for.
Penny Mordaunt was & gave the money to charity in actual fact she made it clear before & whilst doing it that was the reason.
Your friend was talking out of his back side there was 1,000 workers & I worked on A production machine.
the only thing automated were the robots AGV's that collected the pallets of finished goods & delivered materials to run the machines that operators had to use.
there was three people to each machine ( packer & maker) there were electricians & fitters there were spare in case of holidays which took the manning level up to four per unit.
there were operators who kept an eye on the robots as they had a tendency to break down or go off the tracks & to operate the cranes in the high bay warehouse as the system always broke down then you had fork truck drivers loading the containers then you had IT technicians programming the computers so not many people working there?
what was the name of the idiot you call a friend?
I was a top worker always exceeding production targets so maintenance ? sit in the boiler house doing nothing?
Ask a real worker next time for the facts as again your so very wrong
Penny Mordaunt also claimed 90p (Repeat) 90p on her expenses for one of her staff to drive from her HQ to the Hilsea Lido, one of the recipients of the money she was being paid by the TV company.

As she is a Tory, you will probably defend her, but I think that, if the Hilsea Lido was as 'dear to her heart' as she would have us believe, then is it to much to expect her to give at least 90p from her own pocket?

You have often said that you prefer to believe your friends, and I understand that, because I have never had any reason to doubt my friend.
really? never doubt your friend?
8 units on one floor 10 units on another ten on another ten on another=38x3=114x4=4
56+16+ 30=502+ 3 shifts of tobacco manufacturing plant+robot controllers+fork truck drivers+computer programmers+cleaners
+managers+supervisor
s+canteen staff+office staff(days)+security all add up to 1,000 staff with out the maintenance gang.
so really you've been told a load of porkies.
now please tell me when Whitehead & Denham have actually stood up in parliament & fought for this city now or in the 13years of a Labour Government?
oh! I was an employees council member deputy shop steward & a health & safety rep
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So here we go again. Linesman going on about Somerset & the Governments response when it's put forward that Penny Mordaunt unlike Denham or Whitehead has fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents. We had 13 years of a Labour Government 13 years where we were in a financial mess & it was getting worse. some say the Falklands saved Maggie Thatcher well the Banking crisis saved Labour as if/when Austerity measures took place with out the banking crisis who would ever vote Labour so that banking crash was Labours get out of jail. It's okay for Denham to bang on about this guy should be for both cities but why should it? did either Labour MP's fight for this city when at least two big employers left? wasn't it A Tory with Denham who argued for funds after Fords? maybe a bit to late as most Ford workers knew it was coming years before it happened. So after the Floods we had in this country with weather no where near as bad as this year we get a Labour supporter going on about Somerset? Besides the huge pumping operation already under way what exactly have this government done differently than Labour? the Armed Forces are being deployed so what else? after the floods we had any building on flood plains should be banned(unless it already is) any houses buildings built on flood plains should be torn down & those flood plains restored. But again this is about an MP crying foul over an issue where a city MP has fought for her city unlike our two Labour MP's. Caroline Nookes has fought more for this city in the short time she's been an MP than at least one of our MP's have maybe the residents of Test will see wise & get rid?[/p][/quote]How, exactly, has Penny Mordaunt 'fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents'? It is my understanding that during the period that she was 'training' for her TV programme, she was spending more time in Southend, where the training took place, than she did in the constituency she represents. If, as you claim, she was doing such a great job, why did your beloved leader think it necessary to appoint a 'Minister for Portsmouth'? Having appointed this new post, and as the appointee has a constituency just along the coast in Kent, do you think it reasonable that he should take more that three weeks before he visits the area? As I have said earlier, I am no fan of Hesseltine, but when he was appointed Minister for Liverpool, he was up there within days. Could it be that Cameron was only paying lip-service to the area? That is certainly the impression it gives. Any MP can ask questions in the house, but many of those made from the government side are planted, to give the PM an easy ride, and a reminder to the constituents of the questioner, that they 'turned up for work.' - and that applies to whatever party is in power. You asked whether either of the city's MPs fought for the city when at least two big employers left. I don't know what other employer you are referring to, but they certainly asked questions about Ford's departure, but it is not much good questioning when your questions fall on deaf ears. You complain about a Labour supporter going on about the problems faced by residents in flood-hit Somerset. Well, that certainly appears to reflect the attitude of your beloved leader. A typical case of NIMBYism on your part, and apparently on his. Strange as it may seem, I care about these people, and something tells me that if you found yourself in the situation that they have found themselves FOR MORE THAN A MONTH, you would be creating merry-hell about a government doing precious little, and very late - especially if it were a Labour government.[/p][/quote]your way out of it on this post aren't you?watching the politics show(daily) she was there arguing for Portsmouth & she was asked about Splash & she said all money will go to charity & Labour & liberal Mp's that where there congratulated her on her good work. I can only go by what I've seen & when PFC were in deep trouble there she was fighting to get David Cameron to help find some one to save the club. since then she has been on PMQ's asking & putting up a good reason why the government should step in & help Portsmouth. In Portsmouth itself exactly what can she achieve there the decisions are made in Parliament not in that city so she has fought for that city. Look just tell me when Whitehead or Denham stood up at PMQ's & fought to save BAT or Martini's? BAT asked them to get it so the factory could export out of the EU the strength of fag the customer wanted to save the factory & jobs both Labour MP's declined. So sorry but on three occasions the Southampton Labour MP's could/should have stood up & fought to save Southampton jobs & two of those companies closing were under a Labour Government yet they kept quiet. Ford closing was on going for years yet no noise from Whitehead or Denham then it closes & Nookes makes more noise than Whitehead & then Denham decides to act . Ask any long serving Ford worker & that factories closure was on the cards about ten years ago if not longer so why didn't our Labour MP's do something back then to try to ensure the factories future? I'm no lover of Portsmouth & I feel Vospers should never have been poached by Portsmouth from Southampton but it was & no out cry from our Labour MP's then. Denham knows Mordaunt has done the job he should have done for this city & is now crying foul? I'd rather her than either of our Labour waste of time MP's[/p][/quote]I wonder what your attitude would have been if she had been a Labour MP, doing exactly the same thing. I am pretty sure that I know the answer. I suppose you had nothing but praise for George Galloway and Nadine Dorries when they appeared on 'I'm a Celebrity.' If that's what you think that is what being an MP is all about, then that is something else we will agree to disagree about. With regard her asking questions. Anyone can ask questions, but what was needed was someone who could get results. Between them, a former Lib Dem, now Independent MP and a current Tory MP were not getting results, so they had to be 'reinforced' by a Cameron appointee to try and sort something out. With the rush that he was in to get down there and start the job, it has all the appearances of a token gesture to make the locals think that something is happening, and will be quietly forgotten when electioneering starts in earnest. BAT moved abroad because of European legislation that would not permit the strength of cigarettes that BAT wanted to export to their Far East market. As our area has always had Tory MEPs to represent us in Brussels, they are the ones that should have been fighting BATs corner on that. As you have a wife who originates from the Far East, I would have thought that you would have been pleased that Denham did not support BAT to export 'cancer sticks' to that area of the world. According to a friend, who was a maintenance engineer at the BAT site, it was very highly automated, and did not have a very large work-force, and those that lost their jobs when it moved, had a pay-off that was considerably higher than was required by law.[/p][/quote]so your talking about a company that I worked for ,for 25 years? you don't know the whole story yet you think you know it all? Germany allowed Full strength production cigarettes & told the EU to take them to court, BAT Southampton accepted low tar fags for the EU but wanted Tony blair to argue that we could carry on Exporting the high tar to the countries that wanted it. Blair refused we(BAT) asked Whitehead & Denham to fight for us as our Tory MEP had fought to allow us to do just that & it had to have the okay of our government but like Blair they refused to do it. You call them cancer sticks yet our government our NHS are happy to receive the tax revenue from them aren't they. George Galloway was a total joke & should go & live in a country he would be acceptable in as for Nadine Dorries the reason why the both of them got into trouble was they received payment & weren't available to do the job in parliament they were voted in for. Penny Mordaunt was & gave the money to charity in actual fact she made it clear before & whilst doing it that was the reason. Your friend was talking out of his back side there was 1,000 workers & I worked on A production machine. the only thing automated were the robots AGV's that collected the pallets of finished goods & delivered materials to run the machines that operators had to use. there was three people to each machine ( packer & maker) there were electricians & fitters there were spare in case of holidays which took the manning level up to four per unit. there were operators who kept an eye on the robots as they had a tendency to break down or go off the tracks & to operate the cranes in the high bay warehouse as the system always broke down then you had fork truck drivers loading the containers then you had IT technicians programming the computers so not many people working there? what was the name of the idiot you call a friend? I was a top worker always exceeding production targets so maintenance ? sit in the boiler house doing nothing? Ask a real worker next time for the facts as again your so very wrong[/p][/quote]Penny Mordaunt also claimed 90p (Repeat) 90p on her expenses for one of her staff to drive from her HQ to the Hilsea Lido, one of the recipients of the money she was being paid by the TV company. As she is a Tory, you will probably defend her, but I think that, if the Hilsea Lido was as 'dear to her heart' as she would have us believe, then is it to much to expect her to give at least 90p from her own pocket? You have often said that you prefer to believe your friends, and I understand that, because I have never had any reason to doubt my friend.[/p][/quote]really? never doubt your friend? 8 units on one floor 10 units on another ten on another ten on another=38x3=114x4=4 56+16+ 30=502+ 3 shifts of tobacco manufacturing plant+robot controllers+fork truck drivers+computer programmers+cleaners +managers+supervisor s+canteen staff+office staff(days)+security all add up to 1,000 staff with out the maintenance gang. so really you've been told a load of porkies. now please tell me when Whitehead & Denham have actually stood up in parliament & fought for this city now or in the 13years of a Labour Government? oh! I was an employees council member deputy shop steward & a health & safety rep loosehead
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9:17am Sat 1 Feb 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So here we go again. Linesman going on about Somerset & the Governments response when it's put forward that Penny Mordaunt unlike Denham or Whitehead has fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents.
We had 13 years of a Labour Government 13 years where we were in a financial mess & it was getting worse.
some say the Falklands saved Maggie Thatcher well the Banking crisis saved Labour as if/when Austerity measures took place with out the banking crisis who would ever vote Labour so that banking crash was Labours get out of jail.
It's okay for Denham to bang on about this guy should be for both cities but why should it?
did either Labour MP's fight for this city when at least two big employers left?
wasn't it A Tory with Denham who argued for funds after Fords? maybe a bit to late as most Ford workers knew it was coming years before it happened.
So after the Floods we had in this country with weather no where near as bad as this year we get a Labour supporter going on about Somerset?
Besides the huge pumping operation already under way what exactly have this government done differently than Labour?
the Armed Forces are being deployed so what else?
after the floods we had any building on flood plains should be banned(unless it already is) any houses buildings built on flood plains should be torn down & those flood plains restored.
But again this is about an MP crying foul over an issue where a city MP has fought for her city unlike our two Labour MP's.
Caroline Nookes has fought more for this city in the short time she's been an MP than at least one of our MP's have maybe the residents of Test will see wise & get rid?
How, exactly, has Penny Mordaunt 'fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents'?

It is my understanding that during the period that she was 'training' for her TV programme, she was spending more time in Southend, where the training took place, than she did in the constituency she represents.

If, as you claim, she was doing such a great job, why did your beloved leader think it necessary to appoint a 'Minister for Portsmouth'?

Having appointed this new post, and as the appointee has a constituency just along the coast in Kent, do you think it reasonable that he should take more that three weeks before he visits the area? As I have said earlier, I am no fan of Hesseltine, but when he was appointed Minister for Liverpool, he was up there within days.

Could it be that Cameron was only paying lip-service to the area?

That is certainly the impression it gives.

Any MP can ask questions in the house, but many of those made from the government side are planted, to give the PM an easy ride, and a reminder to the constituents of the questioner, that they 'turned up for work.' - and that applies to whatever party is in power.

You asked whether either of the city's MPs fought for the city when at least two big employers left. I don't know what other employer you are referring to, but they certainly asked questions about Ford's departure, but it is not much good questioning when your questions fall on deaf ears.

You complain about a Labour supporter going on about the problems faced by residents in flood-hit Somerset.

Well, that certainly appears to reflect the attitude of your beloved leader. A typical case of NIMBYism on your part, and apparently on his.

Strange as it may seem, I care about these people, and something tells me that if you found yourself in the situation that they have found themselves FOR MORE THAN A MONTH, you would be creating merry-hell about a government doing precious little, and very late - especially if it were a Labour government.
your way out of it on this post aren't you?watching the politics show(daily) she was there arguing for Portsmouth & she was asked about Splash & she said all money will go to charity & Labour & liberal Mp's that where there congratulated her on her good work.
I can only go by what I've seen & when PFC were in deep trouble there she was fighting to get David Cameron to help find some one to save the club.
since then she has been on PMQ's asking & putting up a good reason why the government should step in & help Portsmouth.
In Portsmouth itself exactly what can she achieve there the decisions are made in Parliament not in that city so she has fought for that city.
Look just tell me when Whitehead or Denham stood up at PMQ's & fought to save BAT or Martini's?
BAT asked them to get it so the factory could export out of the EU the strength of fag the customer wanted to save the factory & jobs both Labour MP's declined.
So sorry but on three occasions the Southampton Labour MP's could/should have stood up & fought to save Southampton jobs & two of those companies closing were under a Labour Government yet they kept quiet.
Ford closing was on going for years yet no noise from Whitehead or Denham then it closes & Nookes makes more noise than Whitehead & then Denham decides to act .
Ask any long serving Ford worker & that factories closure was on the cards about ten years ago if not longer so why didn't our Labour MP's do something back then to try to ensure the factories future?
I'm no lover of Portsmouth & I feel Vospers should never have been poached by Portsmouth from Southampton but it was & no out cry from our Labour MP's then.
Denham knows Mordaunt has done the job he should have done for this city & is now crying foul?
I'd rather her than either of our Labour waste of time MP's
I wonder what your attitude would have been if she had been a Labour MP, doing exactly the same thing.
I am pretty sure that I know the answer.
I suppose you had nothing but praise for George Galloway and Nadine Dorries when they appeared on 'I'm a Celebrity.'
If that's what you think that is what being an MP is all about, then that is something else we will agree to disagree about.

With regard her asking questions. Anyone can ask questions, but what was needed was someone who could get results.

Between them, a former Lib Dem, now Independent MP and a current Tory MP were not getting results, so they had to be 'reinforced' by a Cameron appointee to try and sort something out.

With the rush that he was in to get down there and start the job, it has all the appearances of a token gesture to make the locals think that something is happening, and will be quietly forgotten when electioneering starts in earnest.

BAT moved abroad because of European legislation that would not permit the strength of cigarettes that BAT wanted to export to their Far East market. As our area has always had Tory MEPs to represent us in Brussels, they are the ones that should have been fighting BATs corner on that.

As you have a wife who originates from the Far East, I would have thought that you would have been pleased that Denham did not support BAT to export 'cancer sticks' to that area of the world.

According to a friend, who was a maintenance engineer at the BAT site, it was very highly automated, and did not have a very large work-force, and those that lost their jobs when it moved, had a pay-off that was considerably higher than was required by law.
so your talking about a company that I worked for ,for 25 years? you don't know the whole story yet you think you know it all?
Germany allowed Full strength production cigarettes & told the EU to take them to court,
BAT Southampton accepted low tar fags for the EU but wanted Tony blair to argue that we could carry on Exporting the high tar to the countries that wanted it.
Blair refused we(BAT) asked Whitehead & Denham to fight for us as our Tory MEP had fought to allow us to do just that & it had to have the okay of our government but like Blair they refused to do it.
You call them cancer sticks yet our government our NHS are happy to receive the tax revenue from them aren't they.
George Galloway was a total joke & should go & live in a country he would be acceptable in as for Nadine Dorries the reason why the both of them got into trouble was they received payment & weren't available to do the job in parliament they were voted in for.
Penny Mordaunt was & gave the money to charity in actual fact she made it clear before & whilst doing it that was the reason.
Your friend was talking out of his back side there was 1,000 workers & I worked on A production machine.
the only thing automated were the robots AGV's that collected the pallets of finished goods & delivered materials to run the machines that operators had to use.
there was three people to each machine ( packer & maker) there were electricians & fitters there were spare in case of holidays which took the manning level up to four per unit.
there were operators who kept an eye on the robots as they had a tendency to break down or go off the tracks & to operate the cranes in the high bay warehouse as the system always broke down then you had fork truck drivers loading the containers then you had IT technicians programming the computers so not many people working there?
what was the name of the idiot you call a friend?
I was a top worker always exceeding production targets so maintenance ? sit in the boiler house doing nothing?
Ask a real worker next time for the facts as again your so very wrong
Penny Mordaunt also claimed 90p (Repeat) 90p on her expenses for one of her staff to drive from her HQ to the Hilsea Lido, one of the recipients of the money she was being paid by the TV company.

As she is a Tory, you will probably defend her, but I think that, if the Hilsea Lido was as 'dear to her heart' as she would have us believe, then is it to much to expect her to give at least 90p from her own pocket?

You have often said that you prefer to believe your friends, and I understand that, because I have never had any reason to doubt my friend.
really? never doubt your friend?
8 units on one floor 10 units on another ten on another ten on another=38x3=114x4=4

56+16+ 30=502+ 3 shifts of tobacco manufacturing plant+robot controllers+fork truck drivers+computer programmers+cleaners

+managers+supervisor

s+canteen staff+office staff(days)+security all add up to 1,000 staff with out the maintenance gang.
so really you've been told a load of porkies.
now please tell me when Whitehead & Denham have actually stood up in parliament & fought for this city now or in the 13years of a Labour Government?
oh! I was an employees council member deputy shop steward & a health & safety rep
In that case, it would appear we have that in common.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So here we go again. Linesman going on about Somerset & the Governments response when it's put forward that Penny Mordaunt unlike Denham or Whitehead has fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents. We had 13 years of a Labour Government 13 years where we were in a financial mess & it was getting worse. some say the Falklands saved Maggie Thatcher well the Banking crisis saved Labour as if/when Austerity measures took place with out the banking crisis who would ever vote Labour so that banking crash was Labours get out of jail. It's okay for Denham to bang on about this guy should be for both cities but why should it? did either Labour MP's fight for this city when at least two big employers left? wasn't it A Tory with Denham who argued for funds after Fords? maybe a bit to late as most Ford workers knew it was coming years before it happened. So after the Floods we had in this country with weather no where near as bad as this year we get a Labour supporter going on about Somerset? Besides the huge pumping operation already under way what exactly have this government done differently than Labour? the Armed Forces are being deployed so what else? after the floods we had any building on flood plains should be banned(unless it already is) any houses buildings built on flood plains should be torn down & those flood plains restored. But again this is about an MP crying foul over an issue where a city MP has fought for her city unlike our two Labour MP's. Caroline Nookes has fought more for this city in the short time she's been an MP than at least one of our MP's have maybe the residents of Test will see wise & get rid?[/p][/quote]How, exactly, has Penny Mordaunt 'fought at every possible moment to get help for the city she represents'? It is my understanding that during the period that she was 'training' for her TV programme, she was spending more time in Southend, where the training took place, than she did in the constituency she represents. If, as you claim, she was doing such a great job, why did your beloved leader think it necessary to appoint a 'Minister for Portsmouth'? Having appointed this new post, and as the appointee has a constituency just along the coast in Kent, do you think it reasonable that he should take more that three weeks before he visits the area? As I have said earlier, I am no fan of Hesseltine, but when he was appointed Minister for Liverpool, he was up there within days. Could it be that Cameron was only paying lip-service to the area? That is certainly the impression it gives. Any MP can ask questions in the house, but many of those made from the government side are planted, to give the PM an easy ride, and a reminder to the constituents of the questioner, that they 'turned up for work.' - and that applies to whatever party is in power. You asked whether either of the city's MPs fought for the city when at least two big employers left. I don't know what other employer you are referring to, but they certainly asked questions about Ford's departure, but it is not much good questioning when your questions fall on deaf ears. You complain about a Labour supporter going on about the problems faced by residents in flood-hit Somerset. Well, that certainly appears to reflect the attitude of your beloved leader. A typical case of NIMBYism on your part, and apparently on his. Strange as it may seem, I care about these people, and something tells me that if you found yourself in the situation that they have found themselves FOR MORE THAN A MONTH, you would be creating merry-hell about a government doing precious little, and very late - especially if it were a Labour government.[/p][/quote]your way out of it on this post aren't you?watching the politics show(daily) she was there arguing for Portsmouth & she was asked about Splash & she said all money will go to charity & Labour & liberal Mp's that where there congratulated her on her good work. I can only go by what I've seen & when PFC were in deep trouble there she was fighting to get David Cameron to help find some one to save the club. since then she has been on PMQ's asking & putting up a good reason why the government should step in & help Portsmouth. In Portsmouth itself exactly what can she achieve there the decisions are made in Parliament not in that city so she has fought for that city. Look just tell me when Whitehead or Denham stood up at PMQ's & fought to save BAT or Martini's? BAT asked them to get it so the factory could export out of the EU the strength of fag the customer wanted to save the factory & jobs both Labour MP's declined. So sorry but on three occasions the Southampton Labour MP's could/should have stood up & fought to save Southampton jobs & two of those companies closing were under a Labour Government yet they kept quiet. Ford closing was on going for years yet no noise from Whitehead or Denham then it closes & Nookes makes more noise than Whitehead & then Denham decides to act . Ask any long serving Ford worker & that factories closure was on the cards about ten years ago if not longer so why didn't our Labour MP's do something back then to try to ensure the factories future? I'm no lover of Portsmouth & I feel Vospers should never have been poached by Portsmouth from Southampton but it was & no out cry from our Labour MP's then. Denham knows Mordaunt has done the job he should have done for this city & is now crying foul? I'd rather her than either of our Labour waste of time MP's[/p][/quote]I wonder what your attitude would have been if she had been a Labour MP, doing exactly the same thing. I am pretty sure that I know the answer. I suppose you had nothing but praise for George Galloway and Nadine Dorries when they appeared on 'I'm a Celebrity.' If that's what you think that is what being an MP is all about, then that is something else we will agree to disagree about. With regard her asking questions. Anyone can ask questions, but what was needed was someone who could get results. Between them, a former Lib Dem, now Independent MP and a current Tory MP were not getting results, so they had to be 'reinforced' by a Cameron appointee to try and sort something out. With the rush that he was in to get down there and start the job, it has all the appearances of a token gesture to make the locals think that something is happening, and will be quietly forgotten when electioneering starts in earnest. BAT moved abroad because of European legislation that would not permit the strength of cigarettes that BAT wanted to export to their Far East market. As our area has always had Tory MEPs to represent us in Brussels, they are the ones that should have been fighting BATs corner on that. As you have a wife who originates from the Far East, I would have thought that you would have been pleased that Denham did not support BAT to export 'cancer sticks' to that area of the world. According to a friend, who was a maintenance engineer at the BAT site, it was very highly automated, and did not have a very large work-force, and those that lost their jobs when it moved, had a pay-off that was considerably higher than was required by law.[/p][/quote]so your talking about a company that I worked for ,for 25 years? you don't know the whole story yet you think you know it all? Germany allowed Full strength production cigarettes & told the EU to take them to court, BAT Southampton accepted low tar fags for the EU but wanted Tony blair to argue that we could carry on Exporting the high tar to the countries that wanted it. Blair refused we(BAT) asked Whitehead & Denham to fight for us as our Tory MEP had fought to allow us to do just that & it had to have the okay of our government but like Blair they refused to do it. You call them cancer sticks yet our government our NHS are happy to receive the tax revenue from them aren't they. George Galloway was a total joke & should go & live in a country he would be acceptable in as for Nadine Dorries the reason why the both of them got into trouble was they received payment & weren't available to do the job in parliament they were voted in for. Penny Mordaunt was & gave the money to charity in actual fact she made it clear before & whilst doing it that was the reason. Your friend was talking out of his back side there was 1,000 workers & I worked on A production machine. the only thing automated were the robots AGV's that collected the pallets of finished goods & delivered materials to run the machines that operators had to use. there was three people to each machine ( packer & maker) there were electricians & fitters there were spare in case of holidays which took the manning level up to four per unit. there were operators who kept an eye on the robots as they had a tendency to break down or go off the tracks & to operate the cranes in the high bay warehouse as the system always broke down then you had fork truck drivers loading the containers then you had IT technicians programming the computers so not many people working there? what was the name of the idiot you call a friend? I was a top worker always exceeding production targets so maintenance ? sit in the boiler house doing nothing? Ask a real worker next time for the facts as again your so very wrong[/p][/quote]Penny Mordaunt also claimed 90p (Repeat) 90p on her expenses for one of her staff to drive from her HQ to the Hilsea Lido, one of the recipients of the money she was being paid by the TV company. As she is a Tory, you will probably defend her, but I think that, if the Hilsea Lido was as 'dear to her heart' as she would have us believe, then is it to much to expect her to give at least 90p from her own pocket? You have often said that you prefer to believe your friends, and I understand that, because I have never had any reason to doubt my friend.[/p][/quote]really? never doubt your friend? 8 units on one floor 10 units on another ten on another ten on another=38x3=114x4=4 56+16+ 30=502+ 3 shifts of tobacco manufacturing plant+robot controllers+fork truck drivers+computer programmers+cleaners +managers+supervisor s+canteen staff+office staff(days)+security all add up to 1,000 staff with out the maintenance gang. so really you've been told a load of porkies. now please tell me when Whitehead & Denham have actually stood up in parliament & fought for this city now or in the 13years of a Labour Government? oh! I was an employees council member deputy shop steward & a health & safety rep[/p][/quote]In that case, it would appear we have that in common. Linesman
  • Score: 1

2:45pm Sat 1 Feb 14

southy says...

Dai Rear wrote:
southy wrote:
Dai Rear just because a party in office that is right wing, do not make other party's left wing, it just means that that other party's might be left of there right wing policy but still never the less its still right wing
Southy, we've neither Pravda, nor Granma nor Der Volkischer Beobachter; neither commissars nor gauleiters,;neither gulags nor concentration camps. Sorry if it doesn't match your world view but the spectrum is left-liberal and we're closer to left than liberal.
Your no where near the center ground let alone being left, just left of other right wing party,s that all and that still makes you a right wing, the fact is that Labour as being moving to the right for 25 years and more, you had hope when Smith was elected as leader just a shame he died, it allowed the right wing to consolidate the total control.
draw a line put a line down the middle and place where you think all the partys spot are, that line down the middle is the true center ground, in the top 10 party,s all are right of that center ground, its only the TUSC that sits on that center ground and to the left of it, all other are in the right wing section and it all comes down to how far right wing they really are.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Dai Rear just because a party in office that is right wing, do not make other party's left wing, it just means that that other party's might be left of there right wing policy but still never the less its still right wing[/p][/quote]Southy, we've neither Pravda, nor Granma nor Der Volkischer Beobachter; neither commissars nor gauleiters,;neither gulags nor concentration camps. Sorry if it doesn't match your world view but the spectrum is left-liberal and we're closer to left than liberal.[/p][/quote]Your no where near the center ground let alone being left, just left of other right wing party,s that all and that still makes you a right wing, the fact is that Labour as being moving to the right for 25 years and more, you had hope when Smith was elected as leader just a shame he died, it allowed the right wing to consolidate the total control. draw a line put a line down the middle and place where you think all the partys spot are, that line down the middle is the true center ground, in the top 10 party,s all are right of that center ground, its only the TUSC that sits on that center ground and to the left of it, all other are in the right wing section and it all comes down to how far right wing they really are. southy
  • Score: 0

7:58pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Linesman says...

southy wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
southy wrote:
Dai Rear just because a party in office that is right wing, do not make other party's left wing, it just means that that other party's might be left of there right wing policy but still never the less its still right wing
Southy, we've neither Pravda, nor Granma nor Der Volkischer Beobachter; neither commissars nor gauleiters,;neither gulags nor concentration camps. Sorry if it doesn't match your world view but the spectrum is left-liberal and we're closer to left than liberal.
Your no where near the center ground let alone being left, just left of other right wing party,s that all and that still makes you a right wing, the fact is that Labour as being moving to the right for 25 years and more, you had hope when Smith was elected as leader just a shame he died, it allowed the right wing to consolidate the total control.
draw a line put a line down the middle and place where you think all the partys spot are, that line down the middle is the true center ground, in the top 10 party,s all are right of that center ground, its only the TUSC that sits on that center ground and to the left of it, all other are in the right wing section and it all comes down to how far right wing they really are.
The thing is Southy, the world has changed since the days of Keir Hardy, when socialists had to wear flat caps.

The world has changed, and politics has changed, The red bits on the map of the world are no longer controlled by the UK.

Labour have adapted, but there are some people who want to continue fighting battles that have long since been settled, with new ones to be fought.

Those that have changed are the ones that get elected, while those that are stuck in the past invariably lose their deposits.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Dai Rear just because a party in office that is right wing, do not make other party's left wing, it just means that that other party's might be left of there right wing policy but still never the less its still right wing[/p][/quote]Southy, we've neither Pravda, nor Granma nor Der Volkischer Beobachter; neither commissars nor gauleiters,;neither gulags nor concentration camps. Sorry if it doesn't match your world view but the spectrum is left-liberal and we're closer to left than liberal.[/p][/quote]Your no where near the center ground let alone being left, just left of other right wing party,s that all and that still makes you a right wing, the fact is that Labour as being moving to the right for 25 years and more, you had hope when Smith was elected as leader just a shame he died, it allowed the right wing to consolidate the total control. draw a line put a line down the middle and place where you think all the partys spot are, that line down the middle is the true center ground, in the top 10 party,s all are right of that center ground, its only the TUSC that sits on that center ground and to the left of it, all other are in the right wing section and it all comes down to how far right wing they really are.[/p][/quote]The thing is Southy, the world has changed since the days of Keir Hardy, when socialists had to wear flat caps. The world has changed, and politics has changed, The red bits on the map of the world are no longer controlled by the UK. Labour have adapted, but there are some people who want to continue fighting battles that have long since been settled, with new ones to be fought. Those that have changed are the ones that get elected, while those that are stuck in the past invariably lose their deposits. Linesman
  • Score: 1

4:40pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Dai Rear says...

southy wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
southy wrote:
Dai Rear just because a party in office that is right wing, do not make other party's left wing, it just means that that other party's might be left of there right wing policy but still never the less its still right wing
Southy, we've neither Pravda, nor Granma nor Der Volkischer Beobachter; neither commissars nor gauleiters,;neither gulags nor concentration camps. Sorry if it doesn't match your world view but the spectrum is left-liberal and we're closer to left than liberal.
Your no where near the center ground let alone being left, just left of other right wing party,s that all and that still makes you a right wing, the fact is that Labour as being moving to the right for 25 years and more, you had hope when Smith was elected as leader just a shame he died, it allowed the right wing to consolidate the total control.
draw a line put a line down the middle and place where you think all the partys spot are, that line down the middle is the true center ground, in the top 10 party,s all are right of that center ground, its only the TUSC that sits on that center ground and to the left of it, all other are in the right wing section and it all comes down to how far right wing they really are.
Well no. "Right wing " and "Left wing" both believe in the Big State. They both believe in tariffs, in restriction of labour and market mobility, in secret police forces and not being too scrupulous about how information is obtained. Obviously I could continue but neither of these "wings" fits the current position.
As Linesman says, if you apply the concepts of 1917-1989 to current politics you simply get confusion. However you are right to a point. Neither of the parties Labour or Conservative, seems able to wean itself off the Big State so in that point only both are "right wing left wing" and not classically liberal.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Dai Rear just because a party in office that is right wing, do not make other party's left wing, it just means that that other party's might be left of there right wing policy but still never the less its still right wing[/p][/quote]Southy, we've neither Pravda, nor Granma nor Der Volkischer Beobachter; neither commissars nor gauleiters,;neither gulags nor concentration camps. Sorry if it doesn't match your world view but the spectrum is left-liberal and we're closer to left than liberal.[/p][/quote]Your no where near the center ground let alone being left, just left of other right wing party,s that all and that still makes you a right wing, the fact is that Labour as being moving to the right for 25 years and more, you had hope when Smith was elected as leader just a shame he died, it allowed the right wing to consolidate the total control. draw a line put a line down the middle and place where you think all the partys spot are, that line down the middle is the true center ground, in the top 10 party,s all are right of that center ground, its only the TUSC that sits on that center ground and to the left of it, all other are in the right wing section and it all comes down to how far right wing they really are.[/p][/quote]Well no. "Right wing " and "Left wing" both believe in the Big State. They both believe in tariffs, in restriction of labour and market mobility, in secret police forces and not being too scrupulous about how information is obtained. Obviously I could continue but neither of these "wings" fits the current position. As Linesman says, if you apply the concepts of 1917-1989 to current politics you simply get confusion. However you are right to a point. Neither of the parties Labour or Conservative, seems able to wean itself off the Big State so in that point only both are "right wing left wing" and not classically liberal. Dai Rear
  • Score: 0

6:04pm Sun 2 Feb 14

southy says...

Linesman wrote:
southy wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
southy wrote:
Dai Rear just because a party in office that is right wing, do not make other party's left wing, it just means that that other party's might be left of there right wing policy but still never the less its still right wing
Southy, we've neither Pravda, nor Granma nor Der Volkischer Beobachter; neither commissars nor gauleiters,;neither gulags nor concentration camps. Sorry if it doesn't match your world view but the spectrum is left-liberal and we're closer to left than liberal.
Your no where near the center ground let alone being left, just left of other right wing party,s that all and that still makes you a right wing, the fact is that Labour as being moving to the right for 25 years and more, you had hope when Smith was elected as leader just a shame he died, it allowed the right wing to consolidate the total control.
draw a line put a line down the middle and place where you think all the partys spot are, that line down the middle is the true center ground, in the top 10 party,s all are right of that center ground, its only the TUSC that sits on that center ground and to the left of it, all other are in the right wing section and it all comes down to how far right wing they really are.
The thing is Southy, the world has changed since the days of Keir Hardy, when socialists had to wear flat caps.

The world has changed, and politics has changed, The red bits on the map of the world are no longer controlled by the UK.

Labour have adapted, but there are some people who want to continue fighting battles that have long since been settled, with new ones to be fought.

Those that have changed are the ones that get elected, while those that are stuck in the past invariably lose their deposits.
Labour as change all right its abandon the workers and have chase the money its not a case weather what is wanted any more its a case of picking the lesser of the evils, to change means to lose your principles and that is what is putting people of voting, think about it how many have stop voting now because what Labour stands for now
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Dai Rear just because a party in office that is right wing, do not make other party's left wing, it just means that that other party's might be left of there right wing policy but still never the less its still right wing[/p][/quote]Southy, we've neither Pravda, nor Granma nor Der Volkischer Beobachter; neither commissars nor gauleiters,;neither gulags nor concentration camps. Sorry if it doesn't match your world view but the spectrum is left-liberal and we're closer to left than liberal.[/p][/quote]Your no where near the center ground let alone being left, just left of other right wing party,s that all and that still makes you a right wing, the fact is that Labour as being moving to the right for 25 years and more, you had hope when Smith was elected as leader just a shame he died, it allowed the right wing to consolidate the total control. draw a line put a line down the middle and place where you think all the partys spot are, that line down the middle is the true center ground, in the top 10 party,s all are right of that center ground, its only the TUSC that sits on that center ground and to the left of it, all other are in the right wing section and it all comes down to how far right wing they really are.[/p][/quote]The thing is Southy, the world has changed since the days of Keir Hardy, when socialists had to wear flat caps. The world has changed, and politics has changed, The red bits on the map of the world are no longer controlled by the UK. Labour have adapted, but there are some people who want to continue fighting battles that have long since been settled, with new ones to be fought. Those that have changed are the ones that get elected, while those that are stuck in the past invariably lose their deposits.[/p][/quote]Labour as change all right its abandon the workers and have chase the money its not a case weather what is wanted any more its a case of picking the lesser of the evils, to change means to lose your principles and that is what is putting people of voting, think about it how many have stop voting now because what Labour stands for now southy
  • Score: 0

6:10pm Sun 2 Feb 14

southy says...

Dai Rear wrote:
southy wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
southy wrote:
Dai Rear just because a party in office that is right wing, do not make other party's left wing, it just means that that other party's might be left of there right wing policy but still never the less its still right wing
Southy, we've neither Pravda, nor Granma nor Der Volkischer Beobachter; neither commissars nor gauleiters,;neither gulags nor concentration camps. Sorry if it doesn't match your world view but the spectrum is left-liberal and we're closer to left than liberal.
Your no where near the center ground let alone being left, just left of other right wing party,s that all and that still makes you a right wing, the fact is that Labour as being moving to the right for 25 years and more, you had hope when Smith was elected as leader just a shame he died, it allowed the right wing to consolidate the total control.
draw a line put a line down the middle and place where you think all the partys spot are, that line down the middle is the true center ground, in the top 10 party,s all are right of that center ground, its only the TUSC that sits on that center ground and to the left of it, all other are in the right wing section and it all comes down to how far right wing they really are.
Well no. "Right wing " and "Left wing" both believe in the Big State. They both believe in tariffs, in restriction of labour and market mobility, in secret police forces and not being too scrupulous about how information is obtained. Obviously I could continue but neither of these "wings" fits the current position.
As Linesman says, if you apply the concepts of 1917-1989 to current politics you simply get confusion. However you are right to a point. Neither of the parties Labour or Conservative, seems able to wean itself off the Big State so in that point only both are "right wing left wing" and not classically liberal.
No your wrong its only the right wing that believes in the big state, Left wing puts ordinary worker first and not the state, Left wing will avoid going to war if it can, it will never start a war.
Politics since the beginning of the 80's as been moving closer and closer to fascism, that,s why people really under stand politics all say Hitler would of be over the moon how the world is turning out, it the kind of politics he wanted
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Dai Rear just because a party in office that is right wing, do not make other party's left wing, it just means that that other party's might be left of there right wing policy but still never the less its still right wing[/p][/quote]Southy, we've neither Pravda, nor Granma nor Der Volkischer Beobachter; neither commissars nor gauleiters,;neither gulags nor concentration camps. Sorry if it doesn't match your world view but the spectrum is left-liberal and we're closer to left than liberal.[/p][/quote]Your no where near the center ground let alone being left, just left of other right wing party,s that all and that still makes you a right wing, the fact is that Labour as being moving to the right for 25 years and more, you had hope when Smith was elected as leader just a shame he died, it allowed the right wing to consolidate the total control. draw a line put a line down the middle and place where you think all the partys spot are, that line down the middle is the true center ground, in the top 10 party,s all are right of that center ground, its only the TUSC that sits on that center ground and to the left of it, all other are in the right wing section and it all comes down to how far right wing they really are.[/p][/quote]Well no. "Right wing " and "Left wing" both believe in the Big State. They both believe in tariffs, in restriction of labour and market mobility, in secret police forces and not being too scrupulous about how information is obtained. Obviously I could continue but neither of these "wings" fits the current position. As Linesman says, if you apply the concepts of 1917-1989 to current politics you simply get confusion. However you are right to a point. Neither of the parties Labour or Conservative, seems able to wean itself off the Big State so in that point only both are "right wing left wing" and not classically liberal.[/p][/quote]No your wrong its only the right wing that believes in the big state, Left wing puts ordinary worker first and not the state, Left wing will avoid going to war if it can, it will never start a war. Politics since the beginning of the 80's as been moving closer and closer to fascism, that,s why people really under stand politics all say Hitler would of be over the moon how the world is turning out, it the kind of politics he wanted southy
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"No your wrong its only the right wing that believes in the big state, Left wing puts ordinary worker first and not the state, Left wing will avoid going to war if it can, it will never start a war.
Politics since the beginning of the 80's as been moving closer and closer to fascism, that,s why people really under stand politics all say Hitler would of be over the moon how the world is turning out, it the kind of politics he wanted"
No. The Soviet Union was a big state. No, it invaded Afghanistan. China is a big state ; it invaded Tibet. Southy, had you been born 600 years ago you'd have engaged in disputation about how many angels can stand on the head of a pin.
"No your wrong its only the right wing that believes in the big state, Left wing puts ordinary worker first and not the state, Left wing will avoid going to war if it can, it will never start a war. Politics since the beginning of the 80's as been moving closer and closer to fascism, that,s why people really under stand politics all say Hitler would of be over the moon how the world is turning out, it the kind of politics he wanted" No. The Soviet Union was a big state. No, it invaded Afghanistan. China is a big state ; it invaded Tibet. Southy, had you been born 600 years ago you'd have engaged in disputation about how many angels can stand on the head of a pin. Dai Rear
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