Rat invasion brings misery to residents of Coxford in Southampton

Daily Echo: Rat invastion brings misery to estate Rat invastion brings misery to estate

AN infestation of rats is causing misery for families on a Southampton estate.

Those living in a terraced row of houses in Coxford are terrified of the rodents.

Each family from Aldermoor Avenue tells how they can hear the sounds of scuttling and biting, and some have even reported seeing dead rats outside their home.

The problem has become so bad that one woman is thinking of moving out because of the stress and anxiety it is causing her.

The 53-year-old woman, who did not want to be named, said that hearing the rats stops her from sleeping, and despite using rat traps and poison and calling pest control, they just won’t go away.

She believes the problem is down to a hole in the attic, which means that the rats can scuttle through one attic to the other.

And she added that pest controllers visited her house to eliminate the rats, but told her they will be unable to fully tackle it unless the hole is filled by Southampton City Council.

She said: “It is scary. My granddaughter doesn’t want to visit me because the problem has got so bad.”

She claimed that Southampton City Council would not plug the hole in her attic and told her she had to deal with it herself.

Other neighbours also expressed their concerns.

Dad-of-three Paul Webber, said: “I hear them running around all the time. I am worried that one of them might be found by my kids.”

Councillor for Coxford ward, Don Thomas, pictured, blamed cuts in the council’s environmental budget. He said: “Rats running amok on our estates was so predictable, yet here we are with even more cuts in this year’s budget, including cuts to dismantle the council’s Pest Control.”

A council spokesman said: “We cannot comment on individual repair cases. Our housing tenants should report repairs to our Actionline service.”

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11:07am Fri 31 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

It's not just coxford they're all over the city. It seems this council wants to go back to Victorian times although it is people that are providing the food for them
It's not just coxford they're all over the city. It seems this council wants to go back to Victorian times although it is people that are providing the food for them bigfella777

11:10am Fri 31 Jan 14

sotonboy84 says...

There's rats all over the city centre parks! Any bench you sit on for more than a few minutes will guarantee that one comes scurrying past. Apparently Actionline are aware and are putting down more baite but it appears to be doing nothing.
There's rats all over the city centre parks! Any bench you sit on for more than a few minutes will guarantee that one comes scurrying past. Apparently Actionline are aware and are putting down more baite but it appears to be doing nothing. sotonboy84

12:00pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down.
.
If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up.
.
Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......
If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves ....... Lone Ranger.

12:06pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Torchie1 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down.
.
If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up.
.
Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......
That would seem to be a reasonable argument but isn't it easier to place the fault at someone else's door?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......[/p][/quote]That would seem to be a reasonable argument but isn't it easier to place the fault at someone else's door? Torchie1

12:12pm Fri 31 Jan 14

VIVERS says...

its becuase of the flooding they come out of there holes to find dry ground coxford is surrounded by water so what do you expect your all aload of **** grow a pair its only a rat for god sake. and i live in coxford
its becuase of the flooding they come out of there holes to find dry ground coxford is surrounded by water so what do you expect your all aload of **** grow a pair its only a rat for god sake. and i live in coxford VIVERS

12:29pm Fri 31 Jan 14

-stiv- says...

Poor old rats. They just need somewhere to live. Hasn't anyone asked how the rats feel about all this?

This is blatant anti-rat propaganda. Shame on the echo for blatantly furthering the oppression of the disadvantaged.
Poor old rats. They just need somewhere to live. Hasn't anyone asked how the rats feel about all this? This is blatant anti-rat propaganda. Shame on the echo for blatantly furthering the oppression of the disadvantaged. -stiv-

12:39pm Fri 31 Jan 14

loonaloop says...

If I was a rat I would find a better place to live than Coxford.
If I was a rat I would find a better place to live than Coxford. loonaloop

12:56pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Bitterne Park Tim says...

Tidy up after yourselves..........
. then they have nothing to eat........ they go with the food. I live by the river and we hardly ever see them, as in general people are tidy where I live.

Tidy Up!
Tidy up after yourselves.......... . then they have nothing to eat........ they go with the food. I live by the river and we hardly ever see them, as in general people are tidy where I live. Tidy Up! Bitterne Park Tim

12:58pm Fri 31 Jan 14

elvisimo says...

lazy cow - get off your ars e and fill the hole, simple - unless you are too fat to fit through the hatch - (I know , generalisation). Stop your moaning.
lazy cow - get off your ars e and fill the hole, simple - unless you are too fat to fit through the hatch - (I know , generalisation). Stop your moaning. elvisimo

1:14pm Fri 31 Jan 14

localnews says...

-stiv- wrote:
Poor old rats. They just need somewhere to live. Hasn't anyone asked how the rats feel about all this?

This is blatant anti-rat propaganda. Shame on the echo for blatantly furthering the oppression of the disadvantaged.
If they were foreign rats we'd house them
[quote][p][bold]-stiv-[/bold] wrote: Poor old rats. They just need somewhere to live. Hasn't anyone asked how the rats feel about all this? This is blatant anti-rat propaganda. Shame on the echo for blatantly furthering the oppression of the disadvantaged.[/p][/quote]If they were foreign rats we'd house them localnews

1:20pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......
How can you, a well informed person, can refer to democratically elected Cllr. Don Thoms as "Councillor by default"?

For NuLabourites like you sun used to shine from same Don's backside when he used to work hard for your unprincipled and unofficial right wing of the Tory Party, but because both Don and Keith refused to betray the people who voted for them, for you they have become bad boys.

As you still keep on pretending to be left of Tories, and I genuinely believe that you are not stupid, I am resisting to say 'shame on you' for being so childish.

Considering NuLabour run Southampton Council is the landlord of the property mentioned in this news item, why it is not responsible for repairs?

Would you have tried to pass the buck to tenants the same way if Council was under Tory control with Royston Smith as the Leader?

Or, has the NuLabour moved so much to the right that it has no sympathy for tenants but has started supporting Rackman like shark landlords?

If keeping up with the traditions of Miliband's mob you do not want to give honest answers please do not bother.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......[/p][/quote]How can you, a well informed person, can refer to democratically elected Cllr. Don Thoms as "Councillor by default"? For NuLabourites like you sun used to shine from same Don's backside when he used to work hard for your unprincipled and unofficial right wing of the Tory Party, but because both Don and Keith refused to betray the people who voted for them, for you they have become bad boys. As you still keep on pretending to be left of Tories, and I genuinely believe that you are not stupid, I am resisting to say 'shame on you' for being so childish. Considering NuLabour run Southampton Council is the landlord of the property mentioned in this news item, why it is not responsible for repairs? Would you have tried to pass the buck to tenants the same way if Council was under Tory control with Royston Smith as the Leader? Or, has the NuLabour moved so much to the right that it has no sympathy for tenants but has started supporting Rackman like shark landlords? If keeping up with the traditions of Miliband's mob you do not want to give honest answers please do not bother. Paramjit Bahia

1:39pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Zexagon says...

localnews wrote:
-stiv- wrote:
Poor old rats. They just need somewhere to live. Hasn't anyone asked how the rats feel about all this?

This is blatant anti-rat propaganda. Shame on the echo for blatantly furthering the oppression of the disadvantaged.
If they were foreign rats we'd house them
I wonder if the photo is posed for by a model/actor
[quote][p][bold]localnews[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-stiv-[/bold] wrote: Poor old rats. They just need somewhere to live. Hasn't anyone asked how the rats feel about all this? This is blatant anti-rat propaganda. Shame on the echo for blatantly furthering the oppression of the disadvantaged.[/p][/quote]If they were foreign rats we'd house them[/p][/quote]I wonder if the photo is posed for by a model/actor Zexagon

1:51pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......
How can you, a well informed person, can refer to democratically elected Cllr. Don Thoms as "Councillor by default"?

For NuLabourites like you sun used to shine from same Don's backside when he used to work hard for your unprincipled and unofficial right wing of the Tory Party, but because both Don and Keith refused to betray the people who voted for them, for you they have become bad boys.

As you still keep on pretending to be left of Tories, and I genuinely believe that you are not stupid, I am resisting to say 'shame on you' for being so childish.

Considering NuLabour run Southampton Council is the landlord of the property mentioned in this news item, why it is not responsible for repairs?

Would you have tried to pass the buck to tenants the same way if Council was under Tory control with Royston Smith as the Leader?

Or, has the NuLabour moved so much to the right that it has no sympathy for tenants but has started supporting Rackman like shark landlords?

If keeping up with the traditions of Miliband's mob you do not want to give honest answers please do not bother.
My only problem with Milibland is that he has been too honest. While Dodgy Dave has disingenuously promised us the EU referendum in 2017 which thinking members of the electorate know will never happen, Milibland rather stupidly gave an honest response to his take on the EU. This will enable Dodgy to rely on the votes of his party's sheep in 2015. Hopefully those that do not uaually vote will get off their backsides in 2015 and vote UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......[/p][/quote]How can you, a well informed person, can refer to democratically elected Cllr. Don Thoms as "Councillor by default"? For NuLabourites like you sun used to shine from same Don's backside when he used to work hard for your unprincipled and unofficial right wing of the Tory Party, but because both Don and Keith refused to betray the people who voted for them, for you they have become bad boys. As you still keep on pretending to be left of Tories, and I genuinely believe that you are not stupid, I am resisting to say 'shame on you' for being so childish. Considering NuLabour run Southampton Council is the landlord of the property mentioned in this news item, why it is not responsible for repairs? Would you have tried to pass the buck to tenants the same way if Council was under Tory control with Royston Smith as the Leader? Or, has the NuLabour moved so much to the right that it has no sympathy for tenants but has started supporting Rackman like shark landlords? If keeping up with the traditions of Miliband's mob you do not want to give honest answers please do not bother.[/p][/quote]My only problem with Milibland is that he has been too honest. While Dodgy Dave has disingenuously promised us the EU referendum in 2017 which thinking members of the electorate know will never happen, Milibland rather stupidly gave an honest response to his take on the EU. This will enable Dodgy to rely on the votes of his party's sheep in 2015. Hopefully those that do not uaually vote will get off their backsides in 2015 and vote UKIP. Inform Al

1:51pm Fri 31 Jan 14

southy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down.
.
If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up.
.
Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......
Tut Tut Lone that was below the belt for councilors who put people first and was elected in under that putting people first, unlike Labour who choose to chase the money and sod the people who they are meant to represent and would lie to others
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......[/p][/quote]Tut Tut Lone that was below the belt for councilors who put people first and was elected in under that putting people first, unlike Labour who choose to chase the money and sod the people who they are meant to represent and would lie to others southy

1:52pm Fri 31 Jan 14

southy says...

southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down.
.
If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up.
.
Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......
Tut Tut Lone that was below the belt for councilors who put people first and was elected in under that putting people first, unlike Labour who choose to chase the money and sod the people who they are meant to represent and would lie to others
correct the word lie to mislead
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......[/p][/quote]Tut Tut Lone that was below the belt for councilors who put people first and was elected in under that putting people first, unlike Labour who choose to chase the money and sod the people who they are meant to represent and would lie to others[/p][/quote]correct the word lie to mislead southy

2:01pm Fri 31 Jan 14

dadofmy3sons says...

How do the usual fools manage to bring even this round to their favourite political dialogue?
There are rats in every part of every village, town, city, metropolis in every country.
If I found a rat in my home I would find a way to kill it and ensure that no other rat was stupid enough to try and enter.
I certainly wouldn't expect someone else to deal with it unless I paid them.
Yes I am a council tenant, but sometimes you have to deaal with things yourself. Without blaming the current political manifesto of whatever party you currently despise.
How do the usual fools manage to bring even this round to their favourite political dialogue? There are rats in every part of every village, town, city, metropolis in every country. If I found a rat in my home I would find a way to kill it and ensure that no other rat was stupid enough to try and enter. I certainly wouldn't expect someone else to deal with it unless I paid them. Yes I am a council tenant, but sometimes you have to deaal with things yourself. Without blaming the current political manifesto of whatever party you currently despise. dadofmy3sons

2:30pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Mary80 says...

Some people treat areas like a rubbish dump leaving food and other cr@p lying around you surely can't act like animals and be shocked rats are coming
Some people treat areas like a rubbish dump leaving food and other cr@p lying around you surely can't act like animals and be shocked rats are coming Mary80

2:57pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Nick Chaffey says...

Well done Don for sticking up for your community. People put their faith in a Labour council to be their "friend in tough times" only to see them push through the tory cuts, including this year, pest control. Rat infestation is not an accident, or a personal issue, its what happens when those in a position of responsibility fail in their duty and then turn the blame somewhere else. What are we paying our council tax for? Keep up the fight Don. We need a few more like you and Keith!
Well done Don for sticking up for your community. People put their faith in a Labour council to be their "friend in tough times" only to see them push through the tory cuts, including this year, pest control. Rat infestation is not an accident, or a personal issue, its what happens when those in a position of responsibility fail in their duty and then turn the blame somewhere else. What are we paying our council tax for? Keep up the fight Don. We need a few more like you and Keith! Nick Chaffey

3:49pm Fri 31 Jan 14

acid drop says...

loonaloop wrote:
If I was a rat I would find a better place to live than Coxford.
I thought all the rats were in the civic center
[quote][p][bold]loonaloop[/bold] wrote: If I was a rat I would find a better place to live than Coxford.[/p][/quote]I thought all the rats were in the civic center acid drop

4:34pm Fri 31 Jan 14

sotonboy84 says...

Inform Al wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......
How can you, a well informed person, can refer to democratically elected Cllr. Don Thoms as "Councillor by default"?

For NuLabourites like you sun used to shine from same Don's backside when he used to work hard for your unprincipled and unofficial right wing of the Tory Party, but because both Don and Keith refused to betray the people who voted for them, for you they have become bad boys.

As you still keep on pretending to be left of Tories, and I genuinely believe that you are not stupid, I am resisting to say 'shame on you' for being so childish.

Considering NuLabour run Southampton Council is the landlord of the property mentioned in this news item, why it is not responsible for repairs?

Would you have tried to pass the buck to tenants the same way if Council was under Tory control with Royston Smith as the Leader?

Or, has the NuLabour moved so much to the right that it has no sympathy for tenants but has started supporting Rackman like shark landlords?

If keeping up with the traditions of Miliband's mob you do not want to give honest answers please do not bother.
My only problem with Milibland is that he has been too honest. While Dodgy Dave has disingenuously promised us the EU referendum in 2017 which thinking members of the electorate know will never happen, Milibland rather stupidly gave an honest response to his take on the EU. This will enable Dodgy to rely on the votes of his party's sheep in 2015. Hopefully those that do not uaually vote will get off their backsides in 2015 and vote UKIP.
The problem with UKIP is they are a bunch of extremists who think that the country's entire problems will be solved if we leave the EU and allow no 'foreigners' in. I agree that immigration under Labour was a terrible mistake (even they agree to that) as it wasn't properly controlled but being a member of the EU is about far more than immigration. And even with immigration and it being properly controlled, it's a wonderful thing for our country just as it is in reverse for British people. UKIP seem to think the EU is all about immigration and it's this point that they're blindly gaining their sheep support.

With their strange policies about reintroducing smoking in pubs, bringing back imperial measurements, relying on fossil fuels and being against gay marriage etc. just shows that there is no benefit to their policies. There is no logic in reverting the country back 40 years as the examples I have given here have all changed the country for the better. Even if you know only the basics about the Nazi party and the Jews, you can quite clearly see that UKIP are targeting all immigrants as the new Jews.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......[/p][/quote]How can you, a well informed person, can refer to democratically elected Cllr. Don Thoms as "Councillor by default"? For NuLabourites like you sun used to shine from same Don's backside when he used to work hard for your unprincipled and unofficial right wing of the Tory Party, but because both Don and Keith refused to betray the people who voted for them, for you they have become bad boys. As you still keep on pretending to be left of Tories, and I genuinely believe that you are not stupid, I am resisting to say 'shame on you' for being so childish. Considering NuLabour run Southampton Council is the landlord of the property mentioned in this news item, why it is not responsible for repairs? Would you have tried to pass the buck to tenants the same way if Council was under Tory control with Royston Smith as the Leader? Or, has the NuLabour moved so much to the right that it has no sympathy for tenants but has started supporting Rackman like shark landlords? If keeping up with the traditions of Miliband's mob you do not want to give honest answers please do not bother.[/p][/quote]My only problem with Milibland is that he has been too honest. While Dodgy Dave has disingenuously promised us the EU referendum in 2017 which thinking members of the electorate know will never happen, Milibland rather stupidly gave an honest response to his take on the EU. This will enable Dodgy to rely on the votes of his party's sheep in 2015. Hopefully those that do not uaually vote will get off their backsides in 2015 and vote UKIP.[/p][/quote]The problem with UKIP is they are a bunch of extremists who think that the country's entire problems will be solved if we leave the EU and allow no 'foreigners' in. I agree that immigration under Labour was a terrible mistake (even they agree to that) as it wasn't properly controlled but being a member of the EU is about far more than immigration. And even with immigration and it being properly controlled, it's a wonderful thing for our country just as it is in reverse for British people. UKIP seem to think the EU is all about immigration and it's this point that they're blindly gaining their sheep support. With their strange policies about reintroducing smoking in pubs, bringing back imperial measurements, relying on fossil fuels and being against gay marriage etc. just shows that there is no benefit to their policies. There is no logic in reverting the country back 40 years as the examples I have given here have all changed the country for the better. Even if you know only the basics about the Nazi party and the Jews, you can quite clearly see that UKIP are targeting all immigrants as the new Jews. sotonboy84

4:49pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......
How can you, a well informed person, can refer to democratically elected Cllr. Don Thoms as "Councillor by default"?

For NuLabourites like you sun used to shine from same Don's backside when he used to work hard for your unprincipled and unofficial right wing of the Tory Party, but because both Don and Keith refused to betray the people who voted for them, for you they have become bad boys.

As you still keep on pretending to be left of Tories, and I genuinely believe that you are not stupid, I am resisting to say 'shame on you' for being so childish.

Considering NuLabour run Southampton Council is the landlord of the property mentioned in this news item, why it is not responsible for repairs?

Would you have tried to pass the buck to tenants the same way if Council was under Tory control with Royston Smith as the Leader?

Or, has the NuLabour moved so much to the right that it has no sympathy for tenants but has started supporting Rackman like shark landlords?

If keeping up with the traditions of Miliband's mob you do not want to give honest answers please do not bother.
My only problem with Milibland is that he has been too honest. While Dodgy Dave has disingenuously promised us the EU referendum in 2017 which thinking members of the electorate know will never happen, Milibland rather stupidly gave an honest response to his take on the EU. This will enable Dodgy to rely on the votes of his party's sheep in 2015. Hopefully those that do not uaually vote will get off their backsides in 2015 and vote UKIP.
The problem with UKIP is they are a bunch of extremists who think that the country's entire problems will be solved if we leave the EU and allow no 'foreigners' in. I agree that immigration under Labour was a terrible mistake (even they agree to that) as it wasn't properly controlled but being a member of the EU is about far more than immigration. And even with immigration and it being properly controlled, it's a wonderful thing for our country just as it is in reverse for British people. UKIP seem to think the EU is all about immigration and it's this point that they're blindly gaining their sheep support.

With their strange policies about reintroducing smoking in pubs, bringing back imperial measurements, relying on fossil fuels and being against gay marriage etc. just shows that there is no benefit to their policies. There is no logic in reverting the country back 40 years as the examples I have given here have all changed the country for the better. Even if you know only the basics about the Nazi party and the Jews, you can quite clearly see that UKIP are targeting all immigrants as the new Jews.
Thanks, you have just called a socialist an extremist right winger. Suggest you come down to this planet instead of believing the rubbish put out by the likes of TUSC. The only bit of the UKIP manifesto that I really do not agree with is the bit about gay marriage, however their take is that civil partnership should be sufficient instead of upsetting religious idiots. Having been married three times I personally see no reason why they shouldn't suffer as well.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......[/p][/quote]How can you, a well informed person, can refer to democratically elected Cllr. Don Thoms as "Councillor by default"? For NuLabourites like you sun used to shine from same Don's backside when he used to work hard for your unprincipled and unofficial right wing of the Tory Party, but because both Don and Keith refused to betray the people who voted for them, for you they have become bad boys. As you still keep on pretending to be left of Tories, and I genuinely believe that you are not stupid, I am resisting to say 'shame on you' for being so childish. Considering NuLabour run Southampton Council is the landlord of the property mentioned in this news item, why it is not responsible for repairs? Would you have tried to pass the buck to tenants the same way if Council was under Tory control with Royston Smith as the Leader? Or, has the NuLabour moved so much to the right that it has no sympathy for tenants but has started supporting Rackman like shark landlords? If keeping up with the traditions of Miliband's mob you do not want to give honest answers please do not bother.[/p][/quote]My only problem with Milibland is that he has been too honest. While Dodgy Dave has disingenuously promised us the EU referendum in 2017 which thinking members of the electorate know will never happen, Milibland rather stupidly gave an honest response to his take on the EU. This will enable Dodgy to rely on the votes of his party's sheep in 2015. Hopefully those that do not uaually vote will get off their backsides in 2015 and vote UKIP.[/p][/quote]The problem with UKIP is they are a bunch of extremists who think that the country's entire problems will be solved if we leave the EU and allow no 'foreigners' in. I agree that immigration under Labour was a terrible mistake (even they agree to that) as it wasn't properly controlled but being a member of the EU is about far more than immigration. And even with immigration and it being properly controlled, it's a wonderful thing for our country just as it is in reverse for British people. UKIP seem to think the EU is all about immigration and it's this point that they're blindly gaining their sheep support. With their strange policies about reintroducing smoking in pubs, bringing back imperial measurements, relying on fossil fuels and being against gay marriage etc. just shows that there is no benefit to their policies. There is no logic in reverting the country back 40 years as the examples I have given here have all changed the country for the better. Even if you know only the basics about the Nazi party and the Jews, you can quite clearly see that UKIP are targeting all immigrants as the new Jews.[/p][/quote]Thanks, you have just called a socialist an extremist right winger. Suggest you come down to this planet instead of believing the rubbish put out by the likes of TUSC. The only bit of the UKIP manifesto that I really do not agree with is the bit about gay marriage, however their take is that civil partnership should be sufficient instead of upsetting religious idiots. Having been married three times I personally see no reason why they shouldn't suffer as well. Inform Al

4:58pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

Nick Chaffey wrote:
Well done Don for sticking up for your community. People put their faith in a Labour council to be their "friend in tough times" only to see them push through the tory cuts, including this year, pest control. Rat infestation is not an accident, or a personal issue, its what happens when those in a position of responsibility fail in their duty and then turn the blame somewhere else. What are we paying our council tax for? Keep up the fight Don. We need a few more like you and Keith!
Despite Don and Kieths misguided efforts the pool is to undergo the work necessary thanks to Tory neglect (probably deliberate), this is something the Labour group have always wanted and will now result in the reopening of the pool as soon as the necessary work is completed. This has however been accomplished at little cost to the rate payer.. I have always admired and respected Don for his work as a councillor but with Keith standing in this years elections the Labour vote is likely to be split. Fortunately UKIP have an excellent candidate for Coxford so whichever party it goes to, it thankfully will not be Tory.
[quote][p][bold]Nick Chaffey[/bold] wrote: Well done Don for sticking up for your community. People put their faith in a Labour council to be their "friend in tough times" only to see them push through the tory cuts, including this year, pest control. Rat infestation is not an accident, or a personal issue, its what happens when those in a position of responsibility fail in their duty and then turn the blame somewhere else. What are we paying our council tax for? Keep up the fight Don. We need a few more like you and Keith![/p][/quote]Despite Don and Kieths misguided efforts the pool is to undergo the work necessary thanks to Tory neglect (probably deliberate), this is something the Labour group have always wanted and will now result in the reopening of the pool as soon as the necessary work is completed. This has however been accomplished at little cost to the rate payer.. I have always admired and respected Don for his work as a councillor but with Keith standing in this years elections the Labour vote is likely to be split. Fortunately UKIP have an excellent candidate for Coxford so whichever party it goes to, it thankfully will not be Tory. Inform Al

5:01pm Fri 31 Jan 14

sotonboy84 says...

Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......
How can you, a well informed person, can refer to democratically elected Cllr. Don Thoms as "Councillor by default"?

For NuLabourites like you sun used to shine from same Don's backside when he used to work hard for your unprincipled and unofficial right wing of the Tory Party, but because both Don and Keith refused to betray the people who voted for them, for you they have become bad boys.

As you still keep on pretending to be left of Tories, and I genuinely believe that you are not stupid, I am resisting to say 'shame on you' for being so childish.

Considering NuLabour run Southampton Council is the landlord of the property mentioned in this news item, why it is not responsible for repairs?

Would you have tried to pass the buck to tenants the same way if Council was under Tory control with Royston Smith as the Leader?

Or, has the NuLabour moved so much to the right that it has no sympathy for tenants but has started supporting Rackman like shark landlords?

If keeping up with the traditions of Miliband's mob you do not want to give honest answers please do not bother.
My only problem with Milibland is that he has been too honest. While Dodgy Dave has disingenuously promised us the EU referendum in 2017 which thinking members of the electorate know will never happen, Milibland rather stupidly gave an honest response to his take on the EU. This will enable Dodgy to rely on the votes of his party's sheep in 2015. Hopefully those that do not uaually vote will get off their backsides in 2015 and vote UKIP.
The problem with UKIP is they are a bunch of extremists who think that the country's entire problems will be solved if we leave the EU and allow no 'foreigners' in. I agree that immigration under Labour was a terrible mistake (even they agree to that) as it wasn't properly controlled but being a member of the EU is about far more than immigration. And even with immigration and it being properly controlled, it's a wonderful thing for our country just as it is in reverse for British people. UKIP seem to think the EU is all about immigration and it's this point that they're blindly gaining their sheep support.

With their strange policies about reintroducing smoking in pubs, bringing back imperial measurements, relying on fossil fuels and being against gay marriage etc. just shows that there is no benefit to their policies. There is no logic in reverting the country back 40 years as the examples I have given here have all changed the country for the better. Even if you know only the basics about the Nazi party and the Jews, you can quite clearly see that UKIP are targeting all immigrants as the new Jews.
Thanks, you have just called a socialist an extremist right winger. Suggest you come down to this planet instead of believing the rubbish put out by the likes of TUSC. The only bit of the UKIP manifesto that I really do not agree with is the bit about gay marriage, however their take is that civil partnership should be sufficient instead of upsetting religious idiots. Having been married three times I personally see no reason why they shouldn't suffer as well.
I'm not believing anyhting put out by anybody, this is my own opinion observed from their outdated and senseless policies and barmy members, in competition with the National Front.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......[/p][/quote]How can you, a well informed person, can refer to democratically elected Cllr. Don Thoms as "Councillor by default"? For NuLabourites like you sun used to shine from same Don's backside when he used to work hard for your unprincipled and unofficial right wing of the Tory Party, but because both Don and Keith refused to betray the people who voted for them, for you they have become bad boys. As you still keep on pretending to be left of Tories, and I genuinely believe that you are not stupid, I am resisting to say 'shame on you' for being so childish. Considering NuLabour run Southampton Council is the landlord of the property mentioned in this news item, why it is not responsible for repairs? Would you have tried to pass the buck to tenants the same way if Council was under Tory control with Royston Smith as the Leader? Or, has the NuLabour moved so much to the right that it has no sympathy for tenants but has started supporting Rackman like shark landlords? If keeping up with the traditions of Miliband's mob you do not want to give honest answers please do not bother.[/p][/quote]My only problem with Milibland is that he has been too honest. While Dodgy Dave has disingenuously promised us the EU referendum in 2017 which thinking members of the electorate know will never happen, Milibland rather stupidly gave an honest response to his take on the EU. This will enable Dodgy to rely on the votes of his party's sheep in 2015. Hopefully those that do not uaually vote will get off their backsides in 2015 and vote UKIP.[/p][/quote]The problem with UKIP is they are a bunch of extremists who think that the country's entire problems will be solved if we leave the EU and allow no 'foreigners' in. I agree that immigration under Labour was a terrible mistake (even they agree to that) as it wasn't properly controlled but being a member of the EU is about far more than immigration. And even with immigration and it being properly controlled, it's a wonderful thing for our country just as it is in reverse for British people. UKIP seem to think the EU is all about immigration and it's this point that they're blindly gaining their sheep support. With their strange policies about reintroducing smoking in pubs, bringing back imperial measurements, relying on fossil fuels and being against gay marriage etc. just shows that there is no benefit to their policies. There is no logic in reverting the country back 40 years as the examples I have given here have all changed the country for the better. Even if you know only the basics about the Nazi party and the Jews, you can quite clearly see that UKIP are targeting all immigrants as the new Jews.[/p][/quote]Thanks, you have just called a socialist an extremist right winger. Suggest you come down to this planet instead of believing the rubbish put out by the likes of TUSC. The only bit of the UKIP manifesto that I really do not agree with is the bit about gay marriage, however their take is that civil partnership should be sufficient instead of upsetting religious idiots. Having been married three times I personally see no reason why they shouldn't suffer as well.[/p][/quote]I'm not believing anyhting put out by anybody, this is my own opinion observed from their outdated and senseless policies and barmy members, in competition with the National Front. sotonboy84

5:02pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Graeme Harrison says...

Inform Al wrote:
Nick Chaffey wrote:
Well done Don for sticking up for your community. People put their faith in a Labour council to be their "friend in tough times" only to see them push through the tory cuts, including this year, pest control. Rat infestation is not an accident, or a personal issue, its what happens when those in a position of responsibility fail in their duty and then turn the blame somewhere else. What are we paying our council tax for? Keep up the fight Don. We need a few more like you and Keith!
Despite Don and Kieths misguided efforts the pool is to undergo the work necessary thanks to Tory neglect (probably deliberate), this is something the Labour group have always wanted and will now result in the reopening of the pool as soon as the necessary work is completed. This has however been accomplished at little cost to the rate payer.. I have always admired and respected Don for his work as a councillor but with Keith standing in this years elections the Labour vote is likely to be split. Fortunately UKIP have an excellent candidate for Coxford so whichever party it goes to, it thankfully will not be Tory.
Yeah, like 'cos UKIP is a well-balanced and sensible political party.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Chaffey[/bold] wrote: Well done Don for sticking up for your community. People put their faith in a Labour council to be their "friend in tough times" only to see them push through the tory cuts, including this year, pest control. Rat infestation is not an accident, or a personal issue, its what happens when those in a position of responsibility fail in their duty and then turn the blame somewhere else. What are we paying our council tax for? Keep up the fight Don. We need a few more like you and Keith![/p][/quote]Despite Don and Kieths misguided efforts the pool is to undergo the work necessary thanks to Tory neglect (probably deliberate), this is something the Labour group have always wanted and will now result in the reopening of the pool as soon as the necessary work is completed. This has however been accomplished at little cost to the rate payer.. I have always admired and respected Don for his work as a councillor but with Keith standing in this years elections the Labour vote is likely to be split. Fortunately UKIP have an excellent candidate for Coxford so whichever party it goes to, it thankfully will not be Tory.[/p][/quote]Yeah, like 'cos UKIP is a well-balanced and sensible political party. Graeme Harrison

5:08pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

Graeme Harrison wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Nick Chaffey wrote:
Well done Don for sticking up for your community. People put their faith in a Labour council to be their "friend in tough times" only to see them push through the tory cuts, including this year, pest control. Rat infestation is not an accident, or a personal issue, its what happens when those in a position of responsibility fail in their duty and then turn the blame somewhere else. What are we paying our council tax for? Keep up the fight Don. We need a few more like you and Keith!
Despite Don and Kieths misguided efforts the pool is to undergo the work necessary thanks to Tory neglect (probably deliberate), this is something the Labour group have always wanted and will now result in the reopening of the pool as soon as the necessary work is completed. This has however been accomplished at little cost to the rate payer.. I have always admired and respected Don for his work as a councillor but with Keith standing in this years elections the Labour vote is likely to be split. Fortunately UKIP have an excellent candidate for Coxford so whichever party it goes to, it thankfully will not be Tory.
Yeah, like 'cos UKIP is a well-balanced and sensible political party.
Compared to the others, yes.
[quote][p][bold]Graeme Harrison[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Chaffey[/bold] wrote: Well done Don for sticking up for your community. People put their faith in a Labour council to be their "friend in tough times" only to see them push through the tory cuts, including this year, pest control. Rat infestation is not an accident, or a personal issue, its what happens when those in a position of responsibility fail in their duty and then turn the blame somewhere else. What are we paying our council tax for? Keep up the fight Don. We need a few more like you and Keith![/p][/quote]Despite Don and Kieths misguided efforts the pool is to undergo the work necessary thanks to Tory neglect (probably deliberate), this is something the Labour group have always wanted and will now result in the reopening of the pool as soon as the necessary work is completed. This has however been accomplished at little cost to the rate payer.. I have always admired and respected Don for his work as a councillor but with Keith standing in this years elections the Labour vote is likely to be split. Fortunately UKIP have an excellent candidate for Coxford so whichever party it goes to, it thankfully will not be Tory.[/p][/quote]Yeah, like 'cos UKIP is a well-balanced and sensible political party.[/p][/quote]Compared to the others, yes. Inform Al

5:17pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......
How can you, a well informed person, can refer to democratically elected Cllr. Don Thoms as "Councillor by default"?

For NuLabourites like you sun used to shine from same Don's backside when he used to work hard for your unprincipled and unofficial right wing of the Tory Party, but because both Don and Keith refused to betray the people who voted for them, for you they have become bad boys.

As you still keep on pretending to be left of Tories, and I genuinely believe that you are not stupid, I am resisting to say 'shame on you' for being so childish.

Considering NuLabour run Southampton Council is the landlord of the property mentioned in this news item, why it is not responsible for repairs?

Would you have tried to pass the buck to tenants the same way if Council was under Tory control with Royston Smith as the Leader?

Or, has the NuLabour moved so much to the right that it has no sympathy for tenants but has started supporting Rackman like shark landlords?

If keeping up with the traditions of Miliband's mob you do not want to give honest answers please do not bother.
My only problem with Milibland is that he has been too honest. While Dodgy Dave has disingenuously promised us the EU referendum in 2017 which thinking members of the electorate know will never happen, Milibland rather stupidly gave an honest response to his take on the EU. This will enable Dodgy to rely on the votes of his party's sheep in 2015. Hopefully those that do not uaually vote will get off their backsides in 2015 and vote UKIP.
The problem with UKIP is they are a bunch of extremists who think that the country's entire problems will be solved if we leave the EU and allow no 'foreigners' in. I agree that immigration under Labour was a terrible mistake (even they agree to that) as it wasn't properly controlled but being a member of the EU is about far more than immigration. And even with immigration and it being properly controlled, it's a wonderful thing for our country just as it is in reverse for British people. UKIP seem to think the EU is all about immigration and it's this point that they're blindly gaining their sheep support.

With their strange policies about reintroducing smoking in pubs, bringing back imperial measurements, relying on fossil fuels and being against gay marriage etc. just shows that there is no benefit to their policies. There is no logic in reverting the country back 40 years as the examples I have given here have all changed the country for the better. Even if you know only the basics about the Nazi party and the Jews, you can quite clearly see that UKIP are targeting all immigrants as the new Jews.
Thanks, you have just called a socialist an extremist right winger. Suggest you come down to this planet instead of believing the rubbish put out by the likes of TUSC. The only bit of the UKIP manifesto that I really do not agree with is the bit about gay marriage, however their take is that civil partnership should be sufficient instead of upsetting religious idiots. Having been married three times I personally see no reason why they shouldn't suffer as well.
I'm not believing anyhting put out by anybody, this is my own opinion observed from their outdated and senseless policies and barmy members, in competition with the National Front.
The National Front, BNP and any party like them are extreme right wing fascists, and no good for anything. Try taking a proper look at UKIP manifestos, the local government one actually opens with the message that UKIP councillors are there the represent the people on the ward, not the party. Its the only party that does this and had Labour such a policy Don and Keith would still be in the Labour party. They also have nothing against foreigners, it's just the numbers of immigrants coming into a country that already has too many uinemployed, bit like trying to pour a litre of lager into a pint glass, try it.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......[/p][/quote]How can you, a well informed person, can refer to democratically elected Cllr. Don Thoms as "Councillor by default"? For NuLabourites like you sun used to shine from same Don's backside when he used to work hard for your unprincipled and unofficial right wing of the Tory Party, but because both Don and Keith refused to betray the people who voted for them, for you they have become bad boys. As you still keep on pretending to be left of Tories, and I genuinely believe that you are not stupid, I am resisting to say 'shame on you' for being so childish. Considering NuLabour run Southampton Council is the landlord of the property mentioned in this news item, why it is not responsible for repairs? Would you have tried to pass the buck to tenants the same way if Council was under Tory control with Royston Smith as the Leader? Or, has the NuLabour moved so much to the right that it has no sympathy for tenants but has started supporting Rackman like shark landlords? If keeping up with the traditions of Miliband's mob you do not want to give honest answers please do not bother.[/p][/quote]My only problem with Milibland is that he has been too honest. While Dodgy Dave has disingenuously promised us the EU referendum in 2017 which thinking members of the electorate know will never happen, Milibland rather stupidly gave an honest response to his take on the EU. This will enable Dodgy to rely on the votes of his party's sheep in 2015. Hopefully those that do not uaually vote will get off their backsides in 2015 and vote UKIP.[/p][/quote]The problem with UKIP is they are a bunch of extremists who think that the country's entire problems will be solved if we leave the EU and allow no 'foreigners' in. I agree that immigration under Labour was a terrible mistake (even they agree to that) as it wasn't properly controlled but being a member of the EU is about far more than immigration. And even with immigration and it being properly controlled, it's a wonderful thing for our country just as it is in reverse for British people. UKIP seem to think the EU is all about immigration and it's this point that they're blindly gaining their sheep support. With their strange policies about reintroducing smoking in pubs, bringing back imperial measurements, relying on fossil fuels and being against gay marriage etc. just shows that there is no benefit to their policies. There is no logic in reverting the country back 40 years as the examples I have given here have all changed the country for the better. Even if you know only the basics about the Nazi party and the Jews, you can quite clearly see that UKIP are targeting all immigrants as the new Jews.[/p][/quote]Thanks, you have just called a socialist an extremist right winger. Suggest you come down to this planet instead of believing the rubbish put out by the likes of TUSC. The only bit of the UKIP manifesto that I really do not agree with is the bit about gay marriage, however their take is that civil partnership should be sufficient instead of upsetting religious idiots. Having been married three times I personally see no reason why they shouldn't suffer as well.[/p][/quote]I'm not believing anyhting put out by anybody, this is my own opinion observed from their outdated and senseless policies and barmy members, in competition with the National Front.[/p][/quote]The National Front, BNP and any party like them are extreme right wing fascists, and no good for anything. Try taking a proper look at UKIP manifestos, the local government one actually opens with the message that UKIP councillors are there the represent the people on the ward, not the party. Its the only party that does this and had Labour such a policy Don and Keith would still be in the Labour party. They also have nothing against foreigners, it's just the numbers of immigrants coming into a country that already has too many uinemployed, bit like trying to pour a litre of lager into a pint glass, try it. Inform Al

5:37pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Nick Chaffey says...

Inform Al wrote:
Nick Chaffey wrote:
Well done Don for sticking up for your community. People put their faith in a Labour council to be their "friend in tough times" only to see them push through the tory cuts, including this year, pest control. Rat infestation is not an accident, or a personal issue, its what happens when those in a position of responsibility fail in their duty and then turn the blame somewhere else. What are we paying our council tax for? Keep up the fight Don. We need a few more like you and Keith!
Despite Don and Kieths misguided efforts the pool is to undergo the work necessary thanks to Tory neglect (probably deliberate), this is something the Labour group have always wanted and will now result in the reopening of the pool as soon as the necessary work is completed. This has however been accomplished at little cost to the rate payer.. I have always admired and respected Don for his work as a councillor but with Keith standing in this years elections the Labour vote is likely to be split. Fortunately UKIP have an excellent candidate for Coxford so whichever party it goes to, it thankfully will not be Tory.
Inform Al says that on rebuilding Oaklands Pool "this is something the Labour group have always wanted"! Can you explain why the Labour Group voted to close it? Keith and Don voted to oppose all the cuts proposed by Labour and have continued to do so. Isn't this what we want from Labour councillors, people who are prepared to stand up to the government cuts? Otherwise can you explain what Labour councillors are for?
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Chaffey[/bold] wrote: Well done Don for sticking up for your community. People put their faith in a Labour council to be their "friend in tough times" only to see them push through the tory cuts, including this year, pest control. Rat infestation is not an accident, or a personal issue, its what happens when those in a position of responsibility fail in their duty and then turn the blame somewhere else. What are we paying our council tax for? Keep up the fight Don. We need a few more like you and Keith![/p][/quote]Despite Don and Kieths misguided efforts the pool is to undergo the work necessary thanks to Tory neglect (probably deliberate), this is something the Labour group have always wanted and will now result in the reopening of the pool as soon as the necessary work is completed. This has however been accomplished at little cost to the rate payer.. I have always admired and respected Don for his work as a councillor but with Keith standing in this years elections the Labour vote is likely to be split. Fortunately UKIP have an excellent candidate for Coxford so whichever party it goes to, it thankfully will not be Tory.[/p][/quote]Inform Al says that on rebuilding Oaklands Pool "this is something the Labour group have always wanted"! Can you explain why the Labour Group voted to close it? Keith and Don voted to oppose all the cuts proposed by Labour and have continued to do so. Isn't this what we want from Labour councillors, people who are prepared to stand up to the government cuts? Otherwise can you explain what Labour councillors are for? Nick Chaffey

5:37pm Fri 31 Jan 14

MisterGrimsdale says...

Why is it ok to condemn rats to a terrible painful slow death through poisoned bait yet it is wrong to kill foxes, which are also vermin? I don't hunt and I don't shoot, - I just want one of these animal liberationists or fox feeders to explain the difference. Either we kill both or we let both live - townies can't have one rule for " their" pests and another rule for farmers pests
Why is it ok to condemn rats to a terrible painful slow death through poisoned bait yet it is wrong to kill foxes, which are also vermin? I don't hunt and I don't shoot, - I just want one of these animal liberationists or fox feeders to explain the difference. Either we kill both or we let both live - townies can't have one rule for " their" pests and another rule for farmers pests MisterGrimsdale

6:05pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

Nick Chaffey wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Nick Chaffey wrote:
Well done Don for sticking up for your community. People put their faith in a Labour council to be their "friend in tough times" only to see them push through the tory cuts, including this year, pest control. Rat infestation is not an accident, or a personal issue, its what happens when those in a position of responsibility fail in their duty and then turn the blame somewhere else. What are we paying our council tax for? Keep up the fight Don. We need a few more like you and Keith!
Despite Don and Kieths misguided efforts the pool is to undergo the work necessary thanks to Tory neglect (probably deliberate), this is something the Labour group have always wanted and will now result in the reopening of the pool as soon as the necessary work is completed. This has however been accomplished at little cost to the rate payer.. I have always admired and respected Don for his work as a councillor but with Keith standing in this years elections the Labour vote is likely to be split. Fortunately UKIP have an excellent candidate for Coxford so whichever party it goes to, it thankfully will not be Tory.
Inform Al says that on rebuilding Oaklands Pool "this is something the Labour group have always wanted"! Can you explain why the Labour Group voted to close it? Keith and Don voted to oppose all the cuts proposed by Labour and have continued to do so. Isn't this what we want from Labour councillors, people who are prepared to stand up to the government cuts? Otherwise can you explain what Labour councillors are for?
The vote was over finance, Cllrs Spicer and Whitbread have worked with locals to find a way around the problem, and succeeded. Should be general knowledge soon about the fantastic efforts made by locals and the councillors
[quote][p][bold]Nick Chaffey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Chaffey[/bold] wrote: Well done Don for sticking up for your community. People put their faith in a Labour council to be their "friend in tough times" only to see them push through the tory cuts, including this year, pest control. Rat infestation is not an accident, or a personal issue, its what happens when those in a position of responsibility fail in their duty and then turn the blame somewhere else. What are we paying our council tax for? Keep up the fight Don. We need a few more like you and Keith![/p][/quote]Despite Don and Kieths misguided efforts the pool is to undergo the work necessary thanks to Tory neglect (probably deliberate), this is something the Labour group have always wanted and will now result in the reopening of the pool as soon as the necessary work is completed. This has however been accomplished at little cost to the rate payer.. I have always admired and respected Don for his work as a councillor but with Keith standing in this years elections the Labour vote is likely to be split. Fortunately UKIP have an excellent candidate for Coxford so whichever party it goes to, it thankfully will not be Tory.[/p][/quote]Inform Al says that on rebuilding Oaklands Pool "this is something the Labour group have always wanted"! Can you explain why the Labour Group voted to close it? Keith and Don voted to oppose all the cuts proposed by Labour and have continued to do so. Isn't this what we want from Labour councillors, people who are prepared to stand up to the government cuts? Otherwise can you explain what Labour councillors are for?[/p][/quote]The vote was over finance, Cllrs Spicer and Whitbread have worked with locals to find a way around the problem, and succeeded. Should be general knowledge soon about the fantastic efforts made by locals and the councillors Inform Al

6:10pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

MisterGrimsdale wrote:
Why is it ok to condemn rats to a terrible painful slow death through poisoned bait yet it is wrong to kill foxes, which are also vermin? I don't hunt and I don't shoot, - I just want one of these animal liberationists or fox feeders to explain the difference. Either we kill both or we let both live - townies can't have one rule for " their" pests and another rule for farmers pests
I personally am not squeamish about the fate of rats, but when I had a smallholding in Kent, I never needed to do anything about them, despite my proximity to the River Medway as the residents of a badger sett on my ground did it for me. I will admit to having shot foxes that got too close to the poultry, but badgers were my best friends. I can't understand why the stupid government wants to kill them.
[quote][p][bold]MisterGrimsdale[/bold] wrote: Why is it ok to condemn rats to a terrible painful slow death through poisoned bait yet it is wrong to kill foxes, which are also vermin? I don't hunt and I don't shoot, - I just want one of these animal liberationists or fox feeders to explain the difference. Either we kill both or we let both live - townies can't have one rule for " their" pests and another rule for farmers pests[/p][/quote]I personally am not squeamish about the fate of rats, but when I had a smallholding in Kent, I never needed to do anything about them, despite my proximity to the River Medway as the residents of a badger sett on my ground did it for me. I will admit to having shot foxes that got too close to the poultry, but badgers were my best friends. I can't understand why the stupid government wants to kill them. Inform Al

6:54pm Fri 31 Jan 14

sotonboy84 says...

Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......
How can you, a well informed person, can refer to democratically elected Cllr. Don Thoms as "Councillor by default"?

For NuLabourites like you sun used to shine from same Don's backside when he used to work hard for your unprincipled and unofficial right wing of the Tory Party, but because both Don and Keith refused to betray the people who voted for them, for you they have become bad boys.

As you still keep on pretending to be left of Tories, and I genuinely believe that you are not stupid, I am resisting to say 'shame on you' for being so childish.

Considering NuLabour run Southampton Council is the landlord of the property mentioned in this news item, why it is not responsible for repairs?

Would you have tried to pass the buck to tenants the same way if Council was under Tory control with Royston Smith as the Leader?

Or, has the NuLabour moved so much to the right that it has no sympathy for tenants but has started supporting Rackman like shark landlords?

If keeping up with the traditions of Miliband's mob you do not want to give honest answers please do not bother.
My only problem with Milibland is that he has been too honest. While Dodgy Dave has disingenuously promised us the EU referendum in 2017 which thinking members of the electorate know will never happen, Milibland rather stupidly gave an honest response to his take on the EU. This will enable Dodgy to rely on the votes of his party's sheep in 2015. Hopefully those that do not uaually vote will get off their backsides in 2015 and vote UKIP.
The problem with UKIP is they are a bunch of extremists who think that the country's entire problems will be solved if we leave the EU and allow no 'foreigners' in. I agree that immigration under Labour was a terrible mistake (even they agree to that) as it wasn't properly controlled but being a member of the EU is about far more than immigration. And even with immigration and it being properly controlled, it's a wonderful thing for our country just as it is in reverse for British people. UKIP seem to think the EU is all about immigration and it's this point that they're blindly gaining their sheep support.

With their strange policies about reintroducing smoking in pubs, bringing back imperial measurements, relying on fossil fuels and being against gay marriage etc. just shows that there is no benefit to their policies. There is no logic in reverting the country back 40 years as the examples I have given here have all changed the country for the better. Even if you know only the basics about the Nazi party and the Jews, you can quite clearly see that UKIP are targeting all immigrants as the new Jews.
Thanks, you have just called a socialist an extremist right winger. Suggest you come down to this planet instead of believing the rubbish put out by the likes of TUSC. The only bit of the UKIP manifesto that I really do not agree with is the bit about gay marriage, however their take is that civil partnership should be sufficient instead of upsetting religious idiots. Having been married three times I personally see no reason why they shouldn't suffer as well.
I'm not believing anyhting put out by anybody, this is my own opinion observed from their outdated and senseless policies and barmy members, in competition with the National Front.
The National Front, BNP and any party like them are extreme right wing fascists, and no good for anything. Try taking a proper look at UKIP manifestos, the local government one actually opens with the message that UKIP councillors are there the represent the people on the ward, not the party. Its the only party that does this and had Labour such a policy Don and Keith would still be in the Labour party. They also have nothing against foreigners, it's just the numbers of immigrants coming into a country that already has too many uinemployed, bit like trying to pour a litre of lager into a pint glass, try it.
Isn't that a little one sided? So they don't want immigrants in the UK, regardless of their education and the skills they can bring with them and the contribution they can make to the UK economy just because they're not British. Should we also then tell all British people to return to the UK from their jobs in the EU because they're less deserving that a national of that country?

It's rubbish, it's pure discrimination on the basis of somebody's nationality and there is nothing more to it.

As for their view on gay marriage (which you also don't agree with) why should a gay person have to settle for a civil partnership when a heterosexual person can get married? Again, it's discrimination based purely on somebody's sexual orientation. What next, seperate seats in public places for British and non-British people? Wouldn't come as a shock following the comments of one of their representatives about "bongo bongo land".

The Nazi party blamed Jews for the misfortunes or lack of success of non-Jewish people and UKIP are doing exactly the same and stirring up exactly the same hatred.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......[/p][/quote]How can you, a well informed person, can refer to democratically elected Cllr. Don Thoms as "Councillor by default"? For NuLabourites like you sun used to shine from same Don's backside when he used to work hard for your unprincipled and unofficial right wing of the Tory Party, but because both Don and Keith refused to betray the people who voted for them, for you they have become bad boys. As you still keep on pretending to be left of Tories, and I genuinely believe that you are not stupid, I am resisting to say 'shame on you' for being so childish. Considering NuLabour run Southampton Council is the landlord of the property mentioned in this news item, why it is not responsible for repairs? Would you have tried to pass the buck to tenants the same way if Council was under Tory control with Royston Smith as the Leader? Or, has the NuLabour moved so much to the right that it has no sympathy for tenants but has started supporting Rackman like shark landlords? If keeping up with the traditions of Miliband's mob you do not want to give honest answers please do not bother.[/p][/quote]My only problem with Milibland is that he has been too honest. While Dodgy Dave has disingenuously promised us the EU referendum in 2017 which thinking members of the electorate know will never happen, Milibland rather stupidly gave an honest response to his take on the EU. This will enable Dodgy to rely on the votes of his party's sheep in 2015. Hopefully those that do not uaually vote will get off their backsides in 2015 and vote UKIP.[/p][/quote]The problem with UKIP is they are a bunch of extremists who think that the country's entire problems will be solved if we leave the EU and allow no 'foreigners' in. I agree that immigration under Labour was a terrible mistake (even they agree to that) as it wasn't properly controlled but being a member of the EU is about far more than immigration. And even with immigration and it being properly controlled, it's a wonderful thing for our country just as it is in reverse for British people. UKIP seem to think the EU is all about immigration and it's this point that they're blindly gaining their sheep support. With their strange policies about reintroducing smoking in pubs, bringing back imperial measurements, relying on fossil fuels and being against gay marriage etc. just shows that there is no benefit to their policies. There is no logic in reverting the country back 40 years as the examples I have given here have all changed the country for the better. Even if you know only the basics about the Nazi party and the Jews, you can quite clearly see that UKIP are targeting all immigrants as the new Jews.[/p][/quote]Thanks, you have just called a socialist an extremist right winger. Suggest you come down to this planet instead of believing the rubbish put out by the likes of TUSC. The only bit of the UKIP manifesto that I really do not agree with is the bit about gay marriage, however their take is that civil partnership should be sufficient instead of upsetting religious idiots. Having been married three times I personally see no reason why they shouldn't suffer as well.[/p][/quote]I'm not believing anyhting put out by anybody, this is my own opinion observed from their outdated and senseless policies and barmy members, in competition with the National Front.[/p][/quote]The National Front, BNP and any party like them are extreme right wing fascists, and no good for anything. Try taking a proper look at UKIP manifestos, the local government one actually opens with the message that UKIP councillors are there the represent the people on the ward, not the party. Its the only party that does this and had Labour such a policy Don and Keith would still be in the Labour party. They also have nothing against foreigners, it's just the numbers of immigrants coming into a country that already has too many uinemployed, bit like trying to pour a litre of lager into a pint glass, try it.[/p][/quote]Isn't that a little one sided? So they don't want immigrants in the UK, regardless of their education and the skills they can bring with them and the contribution they can make to the UK economy just because they're not British. Should we also then tell all British people to return to the UK from their jobs in the EU because they're less deserving that a national of that country? It's rubbish, it's pure discrimination on the basis of somebody's nationality and there is nothing more to it. As for their view on gay marriage (which you also don't agree with) why should a gay person have to settle for a civil partnership when a heterosexual person can get married? Again, it's discrimination based purely on somebody's sexual orientation. What next, seperate seats in public places for British and non-British people? Wouldn't come as a shock following the comments of one of their representatives about "bongo bongo land". The Nazi party blamed Jews for the misfortunes or lack of success of non-Jewish people and UKIP are doing exactly the same and stirring up exactly the same hatred. sotonboy84

7:00pm Fri 31 Jan 14

The Wickham Man says...

Inform Al wrote:
MisterGrimsdale wrote:
Why is it ok to condemn rats to a terrible painful slow death through poisoned bait yet it is wrong to kill foxes, which are also vermin? I don't hunt and I don't shoot, - I just want one of these animal liberationists or fox feeders to explain the difference. Either we kill both or we let both live - townies can't have one rule for " their" pests and another rule for farmers pests
I personally am not squeamish about the fate of rats, but when I had a smallholding in Kent, I never needed to do anything about them, despite my proximity to the River Medway as the residents of a badger sett on my ground did it for me. I will admit to having shot foxes that got too close to the poultry, but badgers were my best friends. I can't understand why the stupid government wants to kill them.
Badgers carry TB but are immune to it. Badgers are protected so their population grows, so they have to move beyond the woods onto farmland to find food. Badgers urinate on grass which is then eaten by cows. Cows are not immune to TB so they get TB. Suffering animals have to be put down - bovine TB is a horrible disease. Farmers lose a lifetime's hard work when the herd is destroyed. As is the way these days, unfinformed amateurs appoint themselves as experts despite having no knowledge or training in biology. Unifnformed amateurs with nothing beyond a bit of googling decide that the control programme is totally and utterly wrong. Uninformed amateurs decide that the solution is vaccination despite there being no viable vaccine except in the minds of those same animal extremists, no means to trap enough badgers and no vets available to administer the vaccine even if it existed. Uninformed amateurs decide on the basis of a bit of facebook research that they know more than biochemists with years of experience, but Al just believes them anyway. Well done Al - you have just shown what calibre of person the public can expect if they vote UKIP. - an uneducated opiniated idiot.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MisterGrimsdale[/bold] wrote: Why is it ok to condemn rats to a terrible painful slow death through poisoned bait yet it is wrong to kill foxes, which are also vermin? I don't hunt and I don't shoot, - I just want one of these animal liberationists or fox feeders to explain the difference. Either we kill both or we let both live - townies can't have one rule for " their" pests and another rule for farmers pests[/p][/quote]I personally am not squeamish about the fate of rats, but when I had a smallholding in Kent, I never needed to do anything about them, despite my proximity to the River Medway as the residents of a badger sett on my ground did it for me. I will admit to having shot foxes that got too close to the poultry, but badgers were my best friends. I can't understand why the stupid government wants to kill them.[/p][/quote]Badgers carry TB but are immune to it. Badgers are protected so their population grows, so they have to move beyond the woods onto farmland to find food. Badgers urinate on grass which is then eaten by cows. Cows are not immune to TB so they get TB. Suffering animals have to be put down - bovine TB is a horrible disease. Farmers lose a lifetime's hard work when the herd is destroyed. As is the way these days, unfinformed amateurs appoint themselves as experts despite having no knowledge or training in biology. Unifnformed amateurs with nothing beyond a bit of googling decide that the control programme is totally and utterly wrong. Uninformed amateurs decide that the solution is vaccination despite there being no viable vaccine except in the minds of those same animal extremists, no means to trap enough badgers and no vets available to administer the vaccine even if it existed. Uninformed amateurs decide on the basis of a bit of facebook research that they know more than biochemists with years of experience, but Al just believes them anyway. Well done Al - you have just shown what calibre of person the public can expect if they vote UKIP. - an uneducated opiniated idiot. The Wickham Man

8:32pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
MisterGrimsdale wrote:
Why is it ok to condemn rats to a terrible painful slow death through poisoned bait yet it is wrong to kill foxes, which are also vermin? I don't hunt and I don't shoot, - I just want one of these animal liberationists or fox feeders to explain the difference. Either we kill both or we let both live - townies can't have one rule for " their" pests and another rule for farmers pests
I personally am not squeamish about the fate of rats, but when I had a smallholding in Kent, I never needed to do anything about them, despite my proximity to the River Medway as the residents of a badger sett on my ground did it for me. I will admit to having shot foxes that got too close to the poultry, but badgers were my best friends. I can't understand why the stupid government wants to kill them.
Badgers carry TB but are immune to it. Badgers are protected so their population grows, so they have to move beyond the woods onto farmland to find food. Badgers urinate on grass which is then eaten by cows. Cows are not immune to TB so they get TB. Suffering animals have to be put down - bovine TB is a horrible disease. Farmers lose a lifetime's hard work when the herd is destroyed. As is the way these days, unfinformed amateurs appoint themselves as experts despite having no knowledge or training in biology. Unifnformed amateurs with nothing beyond a bit of googling decide that the control programme is totally and utterly wrong. Uninformed amateurs decide that the solution is vaccination despite there being no viable vaccine except in the minds of those same animal extremists, no means to trap enough badgers and no vets available to administer the vaccine even if it existed. Uninformed amateurs decide on the basis of a bit of facebook research that they know more than biochemists with years of experience, but Al just believes them anyway. Well done Al - you have just shown what calibre of person the public can expect if they vote UKIP. - an uneducated opiniated idiot.
So nice to hear from an unbiassed tw4t. Cattle can easily be innoculated against the disease but they don't want to do it. I take it you are an idiot amatuer that thinks he knows it all as well then.
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MisterGrimsdale[/bold] wrote: Why is it ok to condemn rats to a terrible painful slow death through poisoned bait yet it is wrong to kill foxes, which are also vermin? I don't hunt and I don't shoot, - I just want one of these animal liberationists or fox feeders to explain the difference. Either we kill both or we let both live - townies can't have one rule for " their" pests and another rule for farmers pests[/p][/quote]I personally am not squeamish about the fate of rats, but when I had a smallholding in Kent, I never needed to do anything about them, despite my proximity to the River Medway as the residents of a badger sett on my ground did it for me. I will admit to having shot foxes that got too close to the poultry, but badgers were my best friends. I can't understand why the stupid government wants to kill them.[/p][/quote]Badgers carry TB but are immune to it. Badgers are protected so their population grows, so they have to move beyond the woods onto farmland to find food. Badgers urinate on grass which is then eaten by cows. Cows are not immune to TB so they get TB. Suffering animals have to be put down - bovine TB is a horrible disease. Farmers lose a lifetime's hard work when the herd is destroyed. As is the way these days, unfinformed amateurs appoint themselves as experts despite having no knowledge or training in biology. Unifnformed amateurs with nothing beyond a bit of googling decide that the control programme is totally and utterly wrong. Uninformed amateurs decide that the solution is vaccination despite there being no viable vaccine except in the minds of those same animal extremists, no means to trap enough badgers and no vets available to administer the vaccine even if it existed. Uninformed amateurs decide on the basis of a bit of facebook research that they know more than biochemists with years of experience, but Al just believes them anyway. Well done Al - you have just shown what calibre of person the public can expect if they vote UKIP. - an uneducated opiniated idiot.[/p][/quote]So nice to hear from an unbiassed tw4t. Cattle can easily be innoculated against the disease but they don't want to do it. I take it you are an idiot amatuer that thinks he knows it all as well then. Inform Al

9:16pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......
How can you, a well informed person, can refer to democratically elected Cllr. Don Thoms as "Councillor by default"?

For NuLabourites like you sun used to shine from same Don's backside when he used to work hard for your unprincipled and unofficial right wing of the Tory Party, but because both Don and Keith refused to betray the people who voted for them, for you they have become bad boys.

As you still keep on pretending to be left of Tories, and I genuinely believe that you are not stupid, I am resisting to say 'shame on you' for being so childish.

Considering NuLabour run Southampton Council is the landlord of the property mentioned in this news item, why it is not responsible for repairs?

Would you have tried to pass the buck to tenants the same way if Council was under Tory control with Royston Smith as the Leader?

Or, has the NuLabour moved so much to the right that it has no sympathy for tenants but has started supporting Rackman like shark landlords?

If keeping up with the traditions of Miliband's mob you do not want to give honest answers please do not bother.
Oh dear Paramjit ....... i would have expected you to defend Don as i have over the years.
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However he was elected as a Labour Councillor.
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After winning his election along with Morrell he decided to swap sides because of the cuts that were coming ......... did he not know of the cuts PRIOR to the election ...... If he did why didnt he stand as a Cllr against cuts BEFORe the election.
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If he didnt know .... why didnt he stand down as a Labour cllr and seek re-election as a Cllr against cuts AFTER the election.
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He was voted in as a Labour Cllr NOT as any other party
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......[/p][/quote]How can you, a well informed person, can refer to democratically elected Cllr. Don Thoms as "Councillor by default"? For NuLabourites like you sun used to shine from same Don's backside when he used to work hard for your unprincipled and unofficial right wing of the Tory Party, but because both Don and Keith refused to betray the people who voted for them, for you they have become bad boys. As you still keep on pretending to be left of Tories, and I genuinely believe that you are not stupid, I am resisting to say 'shame on you' for being so childish. Considering NuLabour run Southampton Council is the landlord of the property mentioned in this news item, why it is not responsible for repairs? Would you have tried to pass the buck to tenants the same way if Council was under Tory control with Royston Smith as the Leader? Or, has the NuLabour moved so much to the right that it has no sympathy for tenants but has started supporting Rackman like shark landlords? If keeping up with the traditions of Miliband's mob you do not want to give honest answers please do not bother.[/p][/quote]Oh dear Paramjit ....... i would have expected you to defend Don as i have over the years. . However he was elected as a Labour Councillor. . After winning his election along with Morrell he decided to swap sides because of the cuts that were coming ......... did he not know of the cuts PRIOR to the election ...... If he did why didnt he stand as a Cllr against cuts BEFORe the election. . If he didnt know .... why didnt he stand down as a Labour cllr and seek re-election as a Cllr against cuts AFTER the election. . He was voted in as a Labour Cllr NOT as any other party Lone Ranger.

9:53pm Fri 31 Jan 14

lordflood says...

Waste of time consulting a councillor about this. May as well try to repair the hole and bait the area where they come in. We don't need to be told the city has problems, all city's have. These people need help really .
Waste of time consulting a councillor about this. May as well try to repair the hole and bait the area where they come in. We don't need to be told the city has problems, all city's have. These people need help really . lordflood

11:07pm Fri 31 Jan 14

southy says...

Inform Al wrote:
Nick Chaffey wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Nick Chaffey wrote:
Well done Don for sticking up for your community. People put their faith in a Labour council to be their "friend in tough times" only to see them push through the tory cuts, including this year, pest control. Rat infestation is not an accident, or a personal issue, its what happens when those in a position of responsibility fail in their duty and then turn the blame somewhere else. What are we paying our council tax for? Keep up the fight Don. We need a few more like you and Keith!
Despite Don and Kieths misguided efforts the pool is to undergo the work necessary thanks to Tory neglect (probably deliberate), this is something the Labour group have always wanted and will now result in the reopening of the pool as soon as the necessary work is completed. This has however been accomplished at little cost to the rate payer.. I have always admired and respected Don for his work as a councillor but with Keith standing in this years elections the Labour vote is likely to be split. Fortunately UKIP have an excellent candidate for Coxford so whichever party it goes to, it thankfully will not be Tory.
Inform Al says that on rebuilding Oaklands Pool "this is something the Labour group have always wanted"! Can you explain why the Labour Group voted to close it? Keith and Don voted to oppose all the cuts proposed by Labour and have continued to do so. Isn't this what we want from Labour councillors, people who are prepared to stand up to the government cuts? Otherwise can you explain what Labour councillors are for?
The vote was over finance, Cllrs Spicer and Whitbread have worked with locals to find a way around the problem, and succeeded. Should be general knowledge soon about the fantastic efforts made by locals and the councillors
You mean they was push into it, Lee is in my ward and have ask me a few times what is going on in the Redbridge ward as people will talk to me because they know me, Lee is a new comer to the Redbridge ward move here from Applemore area, He not even sure what is politics is and he just likes to try and help people where ever he can which can be a good thing, But it as been noted that Lee as supported the cuts same as the last Labour whip Catherine McEwing Redbridge, who was the Labour whip at the time of handing out punishment to Don And Keith
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Chaffey[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Chaffey[/bold] wrote: Well done Don for sticking up for your community. People put their faith in a Labour council to be their "friend in tough times" only to see them push through the tory cuts, including this year, pest control. Rat infestation is not an accident, or a personal issue, its what happens when those in a position of responsibility fail in their duty and then turn the blame somewhere else. What are we paying our council tax for? Keep up the fight Don. We need a few more like you and Keith![/p][/quote]Despite Don and Kieths misguided efforts the pool is to undergo the work necessary thanks to Tory neglect (probably deliberate), this is something the Labour group have always wanted and will now result in the reopening of the pool as soon as the necessary work is completed. This has however been accomplished at little cost to the rate payer.. I have always admired and respected Don for his work as a councillor but with Keith standing in this years elections the Labour vote is likely to be split. Fortunately UKIP have an excellent candidate for Coxford so whichever party it goes to, it thankfully will not be Tory.[/p][/quote]Inform Al says that on rebuilding Oaklands Pool "this is something the Labour group have always wanted"! Can you explain why the Labour Group voted to close it? Keith and Don voted to oppose all the cuts proposed by Labour and have continued to do so. Isn't this what we want from Labour councillors, people who are prepared to stand up to the government cuts? Otherwise can you explain what Labour councillors are for?[/p][/quote]The vote was over finance, Cllrs Spicer and Whitbread have worked with locals to find a way around the problem, and succeeded. Should be general knowledge soon about the fantastic efforts made by locals and the councillors[/p][/quote]You mean they was push into it, Lee is in my ward and have ask me a few times what is going on in the Redbridge ward as people will talk to me because they know me, Lee is a new comer to the Redbridge ward move here from Applemore area, He not even sure what is politics is and he just likes to try and help people where ever he can which can be a good thing, But it as been noted that Lee as supported the cuts same as the last Labour whip Catherine McEwing Redbridge, who was the Labour whip at the time of handing out punishment to Don And Keith southy

12:12am Sat 1 Feb 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote: If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......
How can you, a well informed person, can refer to democratically elected Cllr. Don Thoms as "Councillor by default"? For NuLabourites like you sun used to shine from same Don's backside when he used to work hard for your unprincipled and unofficial right wing of the Tory Party, but because both Don and Keith refused to betray the people who voted for them, for you they have become bad boys. As you still keep on pretending to be left of Tories, and I genuinely believe that you are not stupid, I am resisting to say 'shame on you' for being so childish. Considering NuLabour run Southampton Council is the landlord of the property mentioned in this news item, why it is not responsible for repairs? Would you have tried to pass the buck to tenants the same way if Council was under Tory control with Royston Smith as the Leader? Or, has the NuLabour moved so much to the right that it has no sympathy for tenants but has started supporting Rackman like shark landlords? If keeping up with the traditions of Miliband's mob you do not want to give honest answers please do not bother.
Oh dear Paramjit ....... i would have expected you to defend Don as i have over the years. . However he was elected as a Labour Councillor. . After winning his election along with Morrell he decided to swap sides because of the cuts that were coming ......... did he not know of the cuts PRIOR to the election ...... If he did why didnt he stand as a Cllr against cuts BEFORe the election. . If he didnt know .... why didnt he stand down as a Labour cllr and seek re-election as a Cllr against cuts AFTER the election. . He was voted in as a Labour Cllr NOT as any other party
Dear Lone Ranger,

Age may be catching up with my memory, but assure you it is not all that worn out yet. But I am sure you or your NuLabourite colleagues will correct me if I may be wrong (That is if in NuLabour on rare occasion they still allow its mob to tell the truth) but I do not remember NuLabourites promising more and more cuts, higher council council tax and service cuts even more than the Tories had done under Royston Smith along with keep on throwing workers out of their jobs.

So Don Thomas and Keith Morrell were right in opposing the betrayal by rest of the NuLabourite Councillors. But the Group of Council decided to withdraw the whips and your beloved party decided to expell them.

To me it only proves that Thatcherised NuLabour does not believe in honouring it's promises to people made with intention of breaking those, both locally and at national level, as they refused to hold refrendum on the EU after Lisbon.

I admire your loyalty to your unprincipled party which is virtually full of self serving right wing opportunists, and your ability of keep on making excuses for parasites of trade unions and real enemies of not only old Labour but also of human values.

Kind regards
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......[/p][/quote]How can you, a well informed person, can refer to democratically elected Cllr. Don Thoms as "Councillor by default"? For NuLabourites like you sun used to shine from same Don's backside when he used to work hard for your unprincipled and unofficial right wing of the Tory Party, but because both Don and Keith refused to betray the people who voted for them, for you they have become bad boys. As you still keep on pretending to be left of Tories, and I genuinely believe that you are not stupid, I am resisting to say 'shame on you' for being so childish. Considering NuLabour run Southampton Council is the landlord of the property mentioned in this news item, why it is not responsible for repairs? Would you have tried to pass the buck to tenants the same way if Council was under Tory control with Royston Smith as the Leader? Or, has the NuLabour moved so much to the right that it has no sympathy for tenants but has started supporting Rackman like shark landlords? If keeping up with the traditions of Miliband's mob you do not want to give honest answers please do not bother.[/p][/quote]Oh dear Paramjit ....... i would have expected you to defend Don as i have over the years. . However he was elected as a Labour Councillor. . After winning his election along with Morrell he decided to swap sides because of the cuts that were coming ......... did he not know of the cuts PRIOR to the election ...... If he did why didnt he stand as a Cllr against cuts BEFORe the election. . If he didnt know .... why didnt he stand down as a Labour cllr and seek re-election as a Cllr against cuts AFTER the election. . He was voted in as a Labour Cllr NOT as any other party[/p][/quote]Dear Lone Ranger, Age may be catching up with my memory, but assure you it is not all that worn out yet. But I am sure you or your NuLabourite colleagues will correct me if I may be wrong (That is if in NuLabour on rare occasion they still allow its mob to tell the truth) but I do not remember NuLabourites promising more and more cuts, higher council council tax and service cuts even more than the Tories had done under Royston Smith along with keep on throwing workers out of their jobs. So Don Thomas and Keith Morrell were right in opposing the betrayal by rest of the NuLabourite Councillors. But the Group of Council decided to withdraw the whips and your beloved party decided to expell them. To me it only proves that Thatcherised NuLabour does not believe in honouring it's promises to people made with intention of breaking those, both locally and at national level, as they refused to hold refrendum on the EU after Lisbon. I admire your loyalty to your unprincipled party which is virtually full of self serving right wing opportunists, and your ability of keep on making excuses for parasites of trade unions and real enemies of not only old Labour but also of human values. Kind regards Paramjit Bahia

1:17am Sat 1 Feb 14

The Wickham Man says...

Inform Al wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
MisterGrimsdale wrote:
Why is it ok to condemn rats to a terrible painful slow death through poisoned bait yet it is wrong to kill foxes, which are also vermin? I don't hunt and I don't shoot, - I just want one of these animal liberationists or fox feeders to explain the difference. Either we kill both or we let both live - townies can't have one rule for " their" pests and another rule for farmers pests
I personally am not squeamish about the fate of rats, but when I had a smallholding in Kent, I never needed to do anything about them, despite my proximity to the River Medway as the residents of a badger sett on my ground did it for me. I will admit to having shot foxes that got too close to the poultry, but badgers were my best friends. I can't understand why the stupid government wants to kill them.
Badgers carry TB but are immune to it. Badgers are protected so their population grows, so they have to move beyond the woods onto farmland to find food. Badgers urinate on grass which is then eaten by cows. Cows are not immune to TB so they get TB. Suffering animals have to be put down - bovine TB is a horrible disease. Farmers lose a lifetime's hard work when the herd is destroyed. As is the way these days, unfinformed amateurs appoint themselves as experts despite having no knowledge or training in biology. Unifnformed amateurs with nothing beyond a bit of googling decide that the control programme is totally and utterly wrong. Uninformed amateurs decide that the solution is vaccination despite there being no viable vaccine except in the minds of those same animal extremists, no means to trap enough badgers and no vets available to administer the vaccine even if it existed. Uninformed amateurs decide on the basis of a bit of facebook research that they know more than biochemists with years of experience, but Al just believes them anyway. Well done Al - you have just shown what calibre of person the public can expect if they vote UKIP. - an uneducated opiniated idiot.
So nice to hear from an unbiassed tw4t. Cattle can easily be innoculated against the disease but they don't want to do it. I take it you are an idiot amatuer that thinks he knows it all as well then.
I was a biologist, working at WIckham Laboratories for several years, so yes, when I tell you there is no vaccine for cattle or badgers, what great personal insight can you put up against that? Perhaps you could tell us the particualr strain you intend to vaccinate with, and perhaps you could tell everyone where it was successfully tested and proven. You cannot answer any of those questions because I can tell you now there is no answer, and no amount of uneducated flannel from you will change that.. Did you infer that you are the cream of UKIP intellect by the way?
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MisterGrimsdale[/bold] wrote: Why is it ok to condemn rats to a terrible painful slow death through poisoned bait yet it is wrong to kill foxes, which are also vermin? I don't hunt and I don't shoot, - I just want one of these animal liberationists or fox feeders to explain the difference. Either we kill both or we let both live - townies can't have one rule for " their" pests and another rule for farmers pests[/p][/quote]I personally am not squeamish about the fate of rats, but when I had a smallholding in Kent, I never needed to do anything about them, despite my proximity to the River Medway as the residents of a badger sett on my ground did it for me. I will admit to having shot foxes that got too close to the poultry, but badgers were my best friends. I can't understand why the stupid government wants to kill them.[/p][/quote]Badgers carry TB but are immune to it. Badgers are protected so their population grows, so they have to move beyond the woods onto farmland to find food. Badgers urinate on grass which is then eaten by cows. Cows are not immune to TB so they get TB. Suffering animals have to be put down - bovine TB is a horrible disease. Farmers lose a lifetime's hard work when the herd is destroyed. As is the way these days, unfinformed amateurs appoint themselves as experts despite having no knowledge or training in biology. Unifnformed amateurs with nothing beyond a bit of googling decide that the control programme is totally and utterly wrong. Uninformed amateurs decide that the solution is vaccination despite there being no viable vaccine except in the minds of those same animal extremists, no means to trap enough badgers and no vets available to administer the vaccine even if it existed. Uninformed amateurs decide on the basis of a bit of facebook research that they know more than biochemists with years of experience, but Al just believes them anyway. Well done Al - you have just shown what calibre of person the public can expect if they vote UKIP. - an uneducated opiniated idiot.[/p][/quote]So nice to hear from an unbiassed tw4t. Cattle can easily be innoculated against the disease but they don't want to do it. I take it you are an idiot amatuer that thinks he knows it all as well then.[/p][/quote]I was a biologist, working at WIckham Laboratories for several years, so yes, when I tell you there is no vaccine for cattle or badgers, what great personal insight can you put up against that? Perhaps you could tell us the particualr strain you intend to vaccinate with, and perhaps you could tell everyone where it was successfully tested and proven. You cannot answer any of those questions because I can tell you now there is no answer, and no amount of uneducated flannel from you will change that.. Did you infer that you are the cream of UKIP intellect by the way? The Wickham Man

1:35am Sat 1 Feb 14

Inform Al says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
MisterGrimsdale wrote:
Why is it ok to condemn rats to a terrible painful slow death through poisoned bait yet it is wrong to kill foxes, which are also vermin? I don't hunt and I don't shoot, - I just want one of these animal liberationists or fox feeders to explain the difference. Either we kill both or we let both live - townies can't have one rule for " their" pests and another rule for farmers pests
I personally am not squeamish about the fate of rats, but when I had a smallholding in Kent, I never needed to do anything about them, despite my proximity to the River Medway as the residents of a badger sett on my ground did it for me. I will admit to having shot foxes that got too close to the poultry, but badgers were my best friends. I can't understand why the stupid government wants to kill them.
Badgers carry TB but are immune to it. Badgers are protected so their population grows, so they have to move beyond the woods onto farmland to find food. Badgers urinate on grass which is then eaten by cows. Cows are not immune to TB so they get TB. Suffering animals have to be put down - bovine TB is a horrible disease. Farmers lose a lifetime's hard work when the herd is destroyed. As is the way these days, unfinformed amateurs appoint themselves as experts despite having no knowledge or training in biology. Unifnformed amateurs with nothing beyond a bit of googling decide that the control programme is totally and utterly wrong. Uninformed amateurs decide that the solution is vaccination despite there being no viable vaccine except in the minds of those same animal extremists, no means to trap enough badgers and no vets available to administer the vaccine even if it existed. Uninformed amateurs decide on the basis of a bit of facebook research that they know more than biochemists with years of experience, but Al just believes them anyway. Well done Al - you have just shown what calibre of person the public can expect if they vote UKIP. - an uneducated opiniated idiot.
So nice to hear from an unbiassed tw4t. Cattle can easily be innoculated against the disease but they don't want to do it. I take it you are an idiot amatuer that thinks he knows it all as well then.
I was a biologist, working at WIckham Laboratories for several years, so yes, when I tell you there is no vaccine for cattle or badgers, what great personal insight can you put up against that? Perhaps you could tell us the particualr strain you intend to vaccinate with, and perhaps you could tell everyone where it was successfully tested and proven. You cannot answer any of those questions because I can tell you now there is no answer, and no amount of uneducated flannel from you will change that.. Did you infer that you are the cream of UKIP intellect by the way?
I do not make claims of any sort, except that what you have just said is in direct contradiction of an article in the Telegraph some time ago, and I would rather believe what I read in the Telegraph than any claims by an opinionated pr4t
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MisterGrimsdale[/bold] wrote: Why is it ok to condemn rats to a terrible painful slow death through poisoned bait yet it is wrong to kill foxes, which are also vermin? I don't hunt and I don't shoot, - I just want one of these animal liberationists or fox feeders to explain the difference. Either we kill both or we let both live - townies can't have one rule for " their" pests and another rule for farmers pests[/p][/quote]I personally am not squeamish about the fate of rats, but when I had a smallholding in Kent, I never needed to do anything about them, despite my proximity to the River Medway as the residents of a badger sett on my ground did it for me. I will admit to having shot foxes that got too close to the poultry, but badgers were my best friends. I can't understand why the stupid government wants to kill them.[/p][/quote]Badgers carry TB but are immune to it. Badgers are protected so their population grows, so they have to move beyond the woods onto farmland to find food. Badgers urinate on grass which is then eaten by cows. Cows are not immune to TB so they get TB. Suffering animals have to be put down - bovine TB is a horrible disease. Farmers lose a lifetime's hard work when the herd is destroyed. As is the way these days, unfinformed amateurs appoint themselves as experts despite having no knowledge or training in biology. Unifnformed amateurs with nothing beyond a bit of googling decide that the control programme is totally and utterly wrong. Uninformed amateurs decide that the solution is vaccination despite there being no viable vaccine except in the minds of those same animal extremists, no means to trap enough badgers and no vets available to administer the vaccine even if it existed. Uninformed amateurs decide on the basis of a bit of facebook research that they know more than biochemists with years of experience, but Al just believes them anyway. Well done Al - you have just shown what calibre of person the public can expect if they vote UKIP. - an uneducated opiniated idiot.[/p][/quote]So nice to hear from an unbiassed tw4t. Cattle can easily be innoculated against the disease but they don't want to do it. I take it you are an idiot amatuer that thinks he knows it all as well then.[/p][/quote]I was a biologist, working at WIckham Laboratories for several years, so yes, when I tell you there is no vaccine for cattle or badgers, what great personal insight can you put up against that? Perhaps you could tell us the particualr strain you intend to vaccinate with, and perhaps you could tell everyone where it was successfully tested and proven. You cannot answer any of those questions because I can tell you now there is no answer, and no amount of uneducated flannel from you will change that.. Did you infer that you are the cream of UKIP intellect by the way?[/p][/quote]I do not make claims of any sort, except that what you have just said is in direct contradiction of an article in the Telegraph some time ago, and I would rather believe what I read in the Telegraph than any claims by an opinionated pr4t Inform Al

6:06am Sat 1 Feb 14

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......
How can you, a well informed person, can refer to democratically elected Cllr. Don Thoms as "Councillor by default"?

For NuLabourites like you sun used to shine from same Don's backside when he used to work hard for your unprincipled and unofficial right wing of the Tory Party, but because both Don and Keith refused to betray the people who voted for them, for you they have become bad boys.

As you still keep on pretending to be left of Tories, and I genuinely believe that you are not stupid, I am resisting to say 'shame on you' for being so childish.

Considering NuLabour run Southampton Council is the landlord of the property mentioned in this news item, why it is not responsible for repairs?

Would you have tried to pass the buck to tenants the same way if Council was under Tory control with Royston Smith as the Leader?

Or, has the NuLabour moved so much to the right that it has no sympathy for tenants but has started supporting Rackman like shark landlords?

If keeping up with the traditions of Miliband's mob you do not want to give honest answers please do not bother.
My only problem with Milibland is that he has been too honest. While Dodgy Dave has disingenuously promised us the EU referendum in 2017 which thinking members of the electorate know will never happen, Milibland rather stupidly gave an honest response to his take on the EU. This will enable Dodgy to rely on the votes of his party's sheep in 2015. Hopefully those that do not uaually vote will get off their backsides in 2015 and vote UKIP.
The problem with UKIP is they are a bunch of extremists who think that the country's entire problems will be solved if we leave the EU and allow no 'foreigners' in. I agree that immigration under Labour was a terrible mistake (even they agree to that) as it wasn't properly controlled but being a member of the EU is about far more than immigration. And even with immigration and it being properly controlled, it's a wonderful thing for our country just as it is in reverse for British people. UKIP seem to think the EU is all about immigration and it's this point that they're blindly gaining their sheep support.

With their strange policies about reintroducing smoking in pubs, bringing back imperial measurements, relying on fossil fuels and being against gay marriage etc. just shows that there is no benefit to their policies. There is no logic in reverting the country back 40 years as the examples I have given here have all changed the country for the better. Even if you know only the basics about the Nazi party and the Jews, you can quite clearly see that UKIP are targeting all immigrants as the new Jews.
Thanks, you have just called a socialist an extremist right winger. Suggest you come down to this planet instead of believing the rubbish put out by the likes of TUSC. The only bit of the UKIP manifesto that I really do not agree with is the bit about gay marriage, however their take is that civil partnership should be sufficient instead of upsetting religious idiots. Having been married three times I personally see no reason why they shouldn't suffer as well.
I'm not believing anyhting put out by anybody, this is my own opinion observed from their outdated and senseless policies and barmy members, in competition with the National Front.
The National Front, BNP and any party like them are extreme right wing fascists, and no good for anything. Try taking a proper look at UKIP manifestos, the local government one actually opens with the message that UKIP councillors are there the represent the people on the ward, not the party. Its the only party that does this and had Labour such a policy Don and Keith would still be in the Labour party. They also have nothing against foreigners, it's just the numbers of immigrants coming into a country that already has too many uinemployed, bit like trying to pour a litre of lager into a pint glass, try it.
anglo saxons are foreigners !!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......[/p][/quote]How can you, a well informed person, can refer to democratically elected Cllr. Don Thoms as "Councillor by default"? For NuLabourites like you sun used to shine from same Don's backside when he used to work hard for your unprincipled and unofficial right wing of the Tory Party, but because both Don and Keith refused to betray the people who voted for them, for you they have become bad boys. As you still keep on pretending to be left of Tories, and I genuinely believe that you are not stupid, I am resisting to say 'shame on you' for being so childish. Considering NuLabour run Southampton Council is the landlord of the property mentioned in this news item, why it is not responsible for repairs? Would you have tried to pass the buck to tenants the same way if Council was under Tory control with Royston Smith as the Leader? Or, has the NuLabour moved so much to the right that it has no sympathy for tenants but has started supporting Rackman like shark landlords? If keeping up with the traditions of Miliband's mob you do not want to give honest answers please do not bother.[/p][/quote]My only problem with Milibland is that he has been too honest. While Dodgy Dave has disingenuously promised us the EU referendum in 2017 which thinking members of the electorate know will never happen, Milibland rather stupidly gave an honest response to his take on the EU. This will enable Dodgy to rely on the votes of his party's sheep in 2015. Hopefully those that do not uaually vote will get off their backsides in 2015 and vote UKIP.[/p][/quote]The problem with UKIP is they are a bunch of extremists who think that the country's entire problems will be solved if we leave the EU and allow no 'foreigners' in. I agree that immigration under Labour was a terrible mistake (even they agree to that) as it wasn't properly controlled but being a member of the EU is about far more than immigration. And even with immigration and it being properly controlled, it's a wonderful thing for our country just as it is in reverse for British people. UKIP seem to think the EU is all about immigration and it's this point that they're blindly gaining their sheep support. With their strange policies about reintroducing smoking in pubs, bringing back imperial measurements, relying on fossil fuels and being against gay marriage etc. just shows that there is no benefit to their policies. There is no logic in reverting the country back 40 years as the examples I have given here have all changed the country for the better. Even if you know only the basics about the Nazi party and the Jews, you can quite clearly see that UKIP are targeting all immigrants as the new Jews.[/p][/quote]Thanks, you have just called a socialist an extremist right winger. Suggest you come down to this planet instead of believing the rubbish put out by the likes of TUSC. The only bit of the UKIP manifesto that I really do not agree with is the bit about gay marriage, however their take is that civil partnership should be sufficient instead of upsetting religious idiots. Having been married three times I personally see no reason why they shouldn't suffer as well.[/p][/quote]I'm not believing anyhting put out by anybody, this is my own opinion observed from their outdated and senseless policies and barmy members, in competition with the National Front.[/p][/quote]The National Front, BNP and any party like them are extreme right wing fascists, and no good for anything. Try taking a proper look at UKIP manifestos, the local government one actually opens with the message that UKIP councillors are there the represent the people on the ward, not the party. Its the only party that does this and had Labour such a policy Don and Keith would still be in the Labour party. They also have nothing against foreigners, it's just the numbers of immigrants coming into a country that already has too many uinemployed, bit like trying to pour a litre of lager into a pint glass, try it.[/p][/quote]anglo saxons are foreigners !!!!!!! WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.

10:11am Sat 1 Feb 14

richard57 says...

loonaloop wrote:
If I was a rat I would find a better place to live than Coxford.
oh yes like where
[quote][p][bold]loonaloop[/bold] wrote: If I was a rat I would find a better place to live than Coxford.[/p][/quote]oh yes like where richard57

12:13pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Inform Al says...

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......
How can you, a well informed person, can refer to democratically elected Cllr. Don Thoms as "Councillor by default"?

For NuLabourites like you sun used to shine from same Don's backside when he used to work hard for your unprincipled and unofficial right wing of the Tory Party, but because both Don and Keith refused to betray the people who voted for them, for you they have become bad boys.

As you still keep on pretending to be left of Tories, and I genuinely believe that you are not stupid, I am resisting to say 'shame on you' for being so childish.

Considering NuLabour run Southampton Council is the landlord of the property mentioned in this news item, why it is not responsible for repairs?

Would you have tried to pass the buck to tenants the same way if Council was under Tory control with Royston Smith as the Leader?

Or, has the NuLabour moved so much to the right that it has no sympathy for tenants but has started supporting Rackman like shark landlords?

If keeping up with the traditions of Miliband's mob you do not want to give honest answers please do not bother.
My only problem with Milibland is that he has been too honest. While Dodgy Dave has disingenuously promised us the EU referendum in 2017 which thinking members of the electorate know will never happen, Milibland rather stupidly gave an honest response to his take on the EU. This will enable Dodgy to rely on the votes of his party's sheep in 2015. Hopefully those that do not uaually vote will get off their backsides in 2015 and vote UKIP.
The problem with UKIP is they are a bunch of extremists who think that the country's entire problems will be solved if we leave the EU and allow no 'foreigners' in. I agree that immigration under Labour was a terrible mistake (even they agree to that) as it wasn't properly controlled but being a member of the EU is about far more than immigration. And even with immigration and it being properly controlled, it's a wonderful thing for our country just as it is in reverse for British people. UKIP seem to think the EU is all about immigration and it's this point that they're blindly gaining their sheep support.

With their strange policies about reintroducing smoking in pubs, bringing back imperial measurements, relying on fossil fuels and being against gay marriage etc. just shows that there is no benefit to their policies. There is no logic in reverting the country back 40 years as the examples I have given here have all changed the country for the better. Even if you know only the basics about the Nazi party and the Jews, you can quite clearly see that UKIP are targeting all immigrants as the new Jews.
Thanks, you have just called a socialist an extremist right winger. Suggest you come down to this planet instead of believing the rubbish put out by the likes of TUSC. The only bit of the UKIP manifesto that I really do not agree with is the bit about gay marriage, however their take is that civil partnership should be sufficient instead of upsetting religious idiots. Having been married three times I personally see no reason why they shouldn't suffer as well.
I'm not believing anyhting put out by anybody, this is my own opinion observed from their outdated and senseless policies and barmy members, in competition with the National Front.
The National Front, BNP and any party like them are extreme right wing fascists, and no good for anything. Try taking a proper look at UKIP manifestos, the local government one actually opens with the message that UKIP councillors are there the represent the people on the ward, not the party. Its the only party that does this and had Labour such a policy Don and Keith would still be in the Labour party. They also have nothing against foreigners, it's just the numbers of immigrants coming into a country that already has too many uinemployed, bit like trying to pour a litre of lager into a pint glass, try it.
anglo saxons are foreigners !!!!!!!
Then so am I with about 70% Scottish, 20%German and about 10% English. The difference is that my German refugee ancestry arrived here at a time we were not so crowded that they were turned away, as we are currently doing to Zimbabwean and Iranian genuine refugees. UKIPs policies have nothing to do with racism, in fact it was dear Nigel that pushed C'moron into accepting Syrian refugees. We currently have a severe housing shortage and C'morons solution is to make homes affordable by allowing very high mortgages. Building the necessary homes would lower the price of houses to a level affordable to the working man, which would then p1ss off C'morons rich property owning backers.
[quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......[/p][/quote]How can you, a well informed person, can refer to democratically elected Cllr. Don Thoms as "Councillor by default"? For NuLabourites like you sun used to shine from same Don's backside when he used to work hard for your unprincipled and unofficial right wing of the Tory Party, but because both Don and Keith refused to betray the people who voted for them, for you they have become bad boys. As you still keep on pretending to be left of Tories, and I genuinely believe that you are not stupid, I am resisting to say 'shame on you' for being so childish. Considering NuLabour run Southampton Council is the landlord of the property mentioned in this news item, why it is not responsible for repairs? Would you have tried to pass the buck to tenants the same way if Council was under Tory control with Royston Smith as the Leader? Or, has the NuLabour moved so much to the right that it has no sympathy for tenants but has started supporting Rackman like shark landlords? If keeping up with the traditions of Miliband's mob you do not want to give honest answers please do not bother.[/p][/quote]My only problem with Milibland is that he has been too honest. While Dodgy Dave has disingenuously promised us the EU referendum in 2017 which thinking members of the electorate know will never happen, Milibland rather stupidly gave an honest response to his take on the EU. This will enable Dodgy to rely on the votes of his party's sheep in 2015. Hopefully those that do not uaually vote will get off their backsides in 2015 and vote UKIP.[/p][/quote]The problem with UKIP is they are a bunch of extremists who think that the country's entire problems will be solved if we leave the EU and allow no 'foreigners' in. I agree that immigration under Labour was a terrible mistake (even they agree to that) as it wasn't properly controlled but being a member of the EU is about far more than immigration. And even with immigration and it being properly controlled, it's a wonderful thing for our country just as it is in reverse for British people. UKIP seem to think the EU is all about immigration and it's this point that they're blindly gaining their sheep support. With their strange policies about reintroducing smoking in pubs, bringing back imperial measurements, relying on fossil fuels and being against gay marriage etc. just shows that there is no benefit to their policies. There is no logic in reverting the country back 40 years as the examples I have given here have all changed the country for the better. Even if you know only the basics about the Nazi party and the Jews, you can quite clearly see that UKIP are targeting all immigrants as the new Jews.[/p][/quote]Thanks, you have just called a socialist an extremist right winger. Suggest you come down to this planet instead of believing the rubbish put out by the likes of TUSC. The only bit of the UKIP manifesto that I really do not agree with is the bit about gay marriage, however their take is that civil partnership should be sufficient instead of upsetting religious idiots. Having been married three times I personally see no reason why they shouldn't suffer as well.[/p][/quote]I'm not believing anyhting put out by anybody, this is my own opinion observed from their outdated and senseless policies and barmy members, in competition with the National Front.[/p][/quote]The National Front, BNP and any party like them are extreme right wing fascists, and no good for anything. Try taking a proper look at UKIP manifestos, the local government one actually opens with the message that UKIP councillors are there the represent the people on the ward, not the party. Its the only party that does this and had Labour such a policy Don and Keith would still be in the Labour party. They also have nothing against foreigners, it's just the numbers of immigrants coming into a country that already has too many uinemployed, bit like trying to pour a litre of lager into a pint glass, try it.[/p][/quote]anglo saxons are foreigners !!!!!!![/p][/quote]Then so am I with about 70% Scottish, 20%German and about 10% English. The difference is that my German refugee ancestry arrived here at a time we were not so crowded that they were turned away, as we are currently doing to Zimbabwean and Iranian genuine refugees. UKIPs policies have nothing to do with racism, in fact it was dear Nigel that pushed C'moron into accepting Syrian refugees. We currently have a severe housing shortage and C'morons solution is to make homes affordable by allowing very high mortgages. Building the necessary homes would lower the price of houses to a level affordable to the working man, which would then p1ss off C'morons rich property owning backers. Inform Al

2:21pm Sat 1 Feb 14

southy says...

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......
How can you, a well informed person, can refer to democratically elected Cllr. Don Thoms as "Councillor by default"?

For NuLabourites like you sun used to shine from same Don's backside when he used to work hard for your unprincipled and unofficial right wing of the Tory Party, but because both Don and Keith refused to betray the people who voted for them, for you they have become bad boys.

As you still keep on pretending to be left of Tories, and I genuinely believe that you are not stupid, I am resisting to say 'shame on you' for being so childish.

Considering NuLabour run Southampton Council is the landlord of the property mentioned in this news item, why it is not responsible for repairs?

Would you have tried to pass the buck to tenants the same way if Council was under Tory control with Royston Smith as the Leader?

Or, has the NuLabour moved so much to the right that it has no sympathy for tenants but has started supporting Rackman like shark landlords?

If keeping up with the traditions of Miliband's mob you do not want to give honest answers please do not bother.
My only problem with Milibland is that he has been too honest. While Dodgy Dave has disingenuously promised us the EU referendum in 2017 which thinking members of the electorate know will never happen, Milibland rather stupidly gave an honest response to his take on the EU. This will enable Dodgy to rely on the votes of his party's sheep in 2015. Hopefully those that do not uaually vote will get off their backsides in 2015 and vote UKIP.
The problem with UKIP is they are a bunch of extremists who think that the country's entire problems will be solved if we leave the EU and allow no 'foreigners' in. I agree that immigration under Labour was a terrible mistake (even they agree to that) as it wasn't properly controlled but being a member of the EU is about far more than immigration. And even with immigration and it being properly controlled, it's a wonderful thing for our country just as it is in reverse for British people. UKIP seem to think the EU is all about immigration and it's this point that they're blindly gaining their sheep support.

With their strange policies about reintroducing smoking in pubs, bringing back imperial measurements, relying on fossil fuels and being against gay marriage etc. just shows that there is no benefit to their policies. There is no logic in reverting the country back 40 years as the examples I have given here have all changed the country for the better. Even if you know only the basics about the Nazi party and the Jews, you can quite clearly see that UKIP are targeting all immigrants as the new Jews.
Thanks, you have just called a socialist an extremist right winger. Suggest you come down to this planet instead of believing the rubbish put out by the likes of TUSC. The only bit of the UKIP manifesto that I really do not agree with is the bit about gay marriage, however their take is that civil partnership should be sufficient instead of upsetting religious idiots. Having been married three times I personally see no reason why they shouldn't suffer as well.
I'm not believing anyhting put out by anybody, this is my own opinion observed from their outdated and senseless policies and barmy members, in competition with the National Front.
The National Front, BNP and any party like them are extreme right wing fascists, and no good for anything. Try taking a proper look at UKIP manifestos, the local government one actually opens with the message that UKIP councillors are there the represent the people on the ward, not the party. Its the only party that does this and had Labour such a policy Don and Keith would still be in the Labour party. They also have nothing against foreigners, it's just the numbers of immigrants coming into a country that already has too many uinemployed, bit like trying to pour a litre of lager into a pint glass, try it.
anglo saxons are foreigners !!!!!!!
Correction UKIP say that at the beginning about "UKIP councillors are there the represent the people on the ward," but it as a whip to force UKIP councilors to follow the party line. the statement that UKIP makes is very misleading, it is also a party that will being in and support cuts as we have all ready seen around the country all have supported cuts and job loses.
There is only the TUSC that will defend the majority people and refuse to make cuts and it also do not have a whip so its member are do not need to follow party lines, but to follow what the majority ordinary people wants
[quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......[/p][/quote]How can you, a well informed person, can refer to democratically elected Cllr. Don Thoms as "Councillor by default"? For NuLabourites like you sun used to shine from same Don's backside when he used to work hard for your unprincipled and unofficial right wing of the Tory Party, but because both Don and Keith refused to betray the people who voted for them, for you they have become bad boys. As you still keep on pretending to be left of Tories, and I genuinely believe that you are not stupid, I am resisting to say 'shame on you' for being so childish. Considering NuLabour run Southampton Council is the landlord of the property mentioned in this news item, why it is not responsible for repairs? Would you have tried to pass the buck to tenants the same way if Council was under Tory control with Royston Smith as the Leader? Or, has the NuLabour moved so much to the right that it has no sympathy for tenants but has started supporting Rackman like shark landlords? If keeping up with the traditions of Miliband's mob you do not want to give honest answers please do not bother.[/p][/quote]My only problem with Milibland is that he has been too honest. While Dodgy Dave has disingenuously promised us the EU referendum in 2017 which thinking members of the electorate know will never happen, Milibland rather stupidly gave an honest response to his take on the EU. This will enable Dodgy to rely on the votes of his party's sheep in 2015. Hopefully those that do not uaually vote will get off their backsides in 2015 and vote UKIP.[/p][/quote]The problem with UKIP is they are a bunch of extremists who think that the country's entire problems will be solved if we leave the EU and allow no 'foreigners' in. I agree that immigration under Labour was a terrible mistake (even they agree to that) as it wasn't properly controlled but being a member of the EU is about far more than immigration. And even with immigration and it being properly controlled, it's a wonderful thing for our country just as it is in reverse for British people. UKIP seem to think the EU is all about immigration and it's this point that they're blindly gaining their sheep support. With their strange policies about reintroducing smoking in pubs, bringing back imperial measurements, relying on fossil fuels and being against gay marriage etc. just shows that there is no benefit to their policies. There is no logic in reverting the country back 40 years as the examples I have given here have all changed the country for the better. Even if you know only the basics about the Nazi party and the Jews, you can quite clearly see that UKIP are targeting all immigrants as the new Jews.[/p][/quote]Thanks, you have just called a socialist an extremist right winger. Suggest you come down to this planet instead of believing the rubbish put out by the likes of TUSC. The only bit of the UKIP manifesto that I really do not agree with is the bit about gay marriage, however their take is that civil partnership should be sufficient instead of upsetting religious idiots. Having been married three times I personally see no reason why they shouldn't suffer as well.[/p][/quote]I'm not believing anyhting put out by anybody, this is my own opinion observed from their outdated and senseless policies and barmy members, in competition with the National Front.[/p][/quote]The National Front, BNP and any party like them are extreme right wing fascists, and no good for anything. Try taking a proper look at UKIP manifestos, the local government one actually opens with the message that UKIP councillors are there the represent the people on the ward, not the party. Its the only party that does this and had Labour such a policy Don and Keith would still be in the Labour party. They also have nothing against foreigners, it's just the numbers of immigrants coming into a country that already has too many uinemployed, bit like trying to pour a litre of lager into a pint glass, try it.[/p][/quote]anglo saxons are foreigners !!!!!!![/p][/quote]Correction UKIP say that at the beginning about "UKIP councillors are there the represent the people on the ward," but it as a whip to force UKIP councilors to follow the party line. the statement that UKIP makes is very misleading, it is also a party that will being in and support cuts as we have all ready seen around the country all have supported cuts and job loses. There is only the TUSC that will defend the majority people and refuse to make cuts and it also do not have a whip so its member are do not need to follow party lines, but to follow what the majority ordinary people wants southy

2:21pm Sat 1 Feb 14

southy says...

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......
How can you, a well informed person, can refer to democratically elected Cllr. Don Thoms as "Councillor by default"?

For NuLabourites like you sun used to shine from same Don's backside when he used to work hard for your unprincipled and unofficial right wing of the Tory Party, but because both Don and Keith refused to betray the people who voted for them, for you they have become bad boys.

As you still keep on pretending to be left of Tories, and I genuinely believe that you are not stupid, I am resisting to say 'shame on you' for being so childish.

Considering NuLabour run Southampton Council is the landlord of the property mentioned in this news item, why it is not responsible for repairs?

Would you have tried to pass the buck to tenants the same way if Council was under Tory control with Royston Smith as the Leader?

Or, has the NuLabour moved so much to the right that it has no sympathy for tenants but has started supporting Rackman like shark landlords?

If keeping up with the traditions of Miliband's mob you do not want to give honest answers please do not bother.
My only problem with Milibland is that he has been too honest. While Dodgy Dave has disingenuously promised us the EU referendum in 2017 which thinking members of the electorate know will never happen, Milibland rather stupidly gave an honest response to his take on the EU. This will enable Dodgy to rely on the votes of his party's sheep in 2015. Hopefully those that do not uaually vote will get off their backsides in 2015 and vote UKIP.
The problem with UKIP is they are a bunch of extremists who think that the country's entire problems will be solved if we leave the EU and allow no 'foreigners' in. I agree that immigration under Labour was a terrible mistake (even they agree to that) as it wasn't properly controlled but being a member of the EU is about far more than immigration. And even with immigration and it being properly controlled, it's a wonderful thing for our country just as it is in reverse for British people. UKIP seem to think the EU is all about immigration and it's this point that they're blindly gaining their sheep support.

With their strange policies about reintroducing smoking in pubs, bringing back imperial measurements, relying on fossil fuels and being against gay marriage etc. just shows that there is no benefit to their policies. There is no logic in reverting the country back 40 years as the examples I have given here have all changed the country for the better. Even if you know only the basics about the Nazi party and the Jews, you can quite clearly see that UKIP are targeting all immigrants as the new Jews.
Thanks, you have just called a socialist an extremist right winger. Suggest you come down to this planet instead of believing the rubbish put out by the likes of TUSC. The only bit of the UKIP manifesto that I really do not agree with is the bit about gay marriage, however their take is that civil partnership should be sufficient instead of upsetting religious idiots. Having been married three times I personally see no reason why they shouldn't suffer as well.
I'm not believing anyhting put out by anybody, this is my own opinion observed from their outdated and senseless policies and barmy members, in competition with the National Front.
The National Front, BNP and any party like them are extreme right wing fascists, and no good for anything. Try taking a proper look at UKIP manifestos, the local government one actually opens with the message that UKIP councillors are there the represent the people on the ward, not the party. Its the only party that does this and had Labour such a policy Don and Keith would still be in the Labour party. They also have nothing against foreigners, it's just the numbers of immigrants coming into a country that already has too many uinemployed, bit like trying to pour a litre of lager into a pint glass, try it.
anglo saxons are foreigners !!!!!!!
Correction UKIP say that at the beginning about "UKIP councillors are there the represent the people on the ward," but it as a whip to force UKIP councilors to follow the party line. the statement that UKIP makes is very misleading, it is also a party that will being in and support cuts as we have all ready seen around the country all have supported cuts and job loses.
There is only the TUSC that will defend the majority people and refuse to make cuts and it also do not have a whip so its member are do not need to follow party lines, but to follow what the majority ordinary people wants.
UKIP are right of the Tory,s but left of the BNP and NF.
[quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: If i was aware of rats in my home i would put bait down. . If i had a hole on my loft i would try and cover it up. . Are the residents of Aldermoor and their local councillor ( by default ) unaware that they are able to try and do something themselves .......[/p][/quote]How can you, a well informed person, can refer to democratically elected Cllr. Don Thoms as "Councillor by default"? For NuLabourites like you sun used to shine from same Don's backside when he used to work hard for your unprincipled and unofficial right wing of the Tory Party, but because both Don and Keith refused to betray the people who voted for them, for you they have become bad boys. As you still keep on pretending to be left of Tories, and I genuinely believe that you are not stupid, I am resisting to say 'shame on you' for being so childish. Considering NuLabour run Southampton Council is the landlord of the property mentioned in this news item, why it is not responsible for repairs? Would you have tried to pass the buck to tenants the same way if Council was under Tory control with Royston Smith as the Leader? Or, has the NuLabour moved so much to the right that it has no sympathy for tenants but has started supporting Rackman like shark landlords? If keeping up with the traditions of Miliband's mob you do not want to give honest answers please do not bother.[/p][/quote]My only problem with Milibland is that he has been too honest. While Dodgy Dave has disingenuously promised us the EU referendum in 2017 which thinking members of the electorate know will never happen, Milibland rather stupidly gave an honest response to his take on the EU. This will enable Dodgy to rely on the votes of his party's sheep in 2015. Hopefully those that do not uaually vote will get off their backsides in 2015 and vote UKIP.[/p][/quote]The problem with UKIP is they are a bunch of extremists who think that the country's entire problems will be solved if we leave the EU and allow no 'foreigners' in. I agree that immigration under Labour was a terrible mistake (even they agree to that) as it wasn't properly controlled but being a member of the EU is about far more than immigration. And even with immigration and it being properly controlled, it's a wonderful thing for our country just as it is in reverse for British people. UKIP seem to think the EU is all about immigration and it's this point that they're blindly gaining their sheep support. With their strange policies about reintroducing smoking in pubs, bringing back imperial measurements, relying on fossil fuels and being against gay marriage etc. just shows that there is no benefit to their policies. There is no logic in reverting the country back 40 years as the examples I have given here have all changed the country for the better. Even if you know only the basics about the Nazi party and the Jews, you can quite clearly see that UKIP are targeting all immigrants as the new Jews.[/p][/quote]Thanks, you have just called a socialist an extremist right winger. Suggest you come down to this planet instead of believing the rubbish put out by the likes of TUSC. The only bit of the UKIP manifesto that I really do not agree with is the bit about gay marriage, however their take is that civil partnership should be sufficient instead of upsetting religious idiots. Having been married three times I personally see no reason why they shouldn't suffer as well.[/p][/quote]I'm not believing anyhting put out by anybody, this is my own opinion observed from their outdated and senseless policies and barmy members, in competition with the National Front.[/p][/quote]The National Front, BNP and any party like them are extreme right wing fascists, and no good for anything. Try taking a proper look at UKIP manifestos, the local government one actually opens with the message that UKIP councillors are there the represent the people on the ward, not the party. Its the only party that does this and had Labour such a policy Don and Keith would still be in the Labour party. They also have nothing against foreigners, it's just the numbers of immigrants coming into a country that already has too many uinemployed, bit like trying to pour a litre of lager into a pint glass, try it.[/p][/quote]anglo saxons are foreigners !!!!!!![/p][/quote]Correction UKIP say that at the beginning about "UKIP councillors are there the represent the people on the ward," but it as a whip to force UKIP councilors to follow the party line. the statement that UKIP makes is very misleading, it is also a party that will being in and support cuts as we have all ready seen around the country all have supported cuts and job loses. There is only the TUSC that will defend the majority people and refuse to make cuts and it also do not have a whip so its member are do not need to follow party lines, but to follow what the majority ordinary people wants. UKIP are right of the Tory,s but left of the BNP and NF. southy

2:31pm Sat 1 Feb 14

southy says...

Wickham Man TB is not transmitted though urine, its transmitted though cough up Phlegm, sneeze or spit, they propel the TB germs into the air.
Wickham Man TB is not transmitted though urine, its transmitted though cough up Phlegm, sneeze or spit, they propel the TB germs into the air. southy

5:34pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Torchie1 says...

Inform Al wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
MisterGrimsdale wrote:
Why is it ok to condemn rats to a terrible painful slow death through poisoned bait yet it is wrong to kill foxes, which are also vermin? I don't hunt and I don't shoot, - I just want one of these animal liberationists or fox feeders to explain the difference. Either we kill both or we let both live - townies can't have one rule for " their" pests and another rule for farmers pests
I personally am not squeamish about the fate of rats, but when I had a smallholding in Kent, I never needed to do anything about them, despite my proximity to the River Medway as the residents of a badger sett on my ground did it for me. I will admit to having shot foxes that got too close to the poultry, but badgers were my best friends. I can't understand why the stupid government wants to kill them.
Badgers carry TB but are immune to it. Badgers are protected so their population grows, so they have to move beyond the woods onto farmland to find food. Badgers urinate on grass which is then eaten by cows. Cows are not immune to TB so they get TB. Suffering animals have to be put down - bovine TB is a horrible disease. Farmers lose a lifetime's hard work when the herd is destroyed. As is the way these days, unfinformed amateurs appoint themselves as experts despite having no knowledge or training in biology. Unifnformed amateurs with nothing beyond a bit of googling decide that the control programme is totally and utterly wrong. Uninformed amateurs decide that the solution is vaccination despite there being no viable vaccine except in the minds of those same animal extremists, no means to trap enough badgers and no vets available to administer the vaccine even if it existed. Uninformed amateurs decide on the basis of a bit of facebook research that they know more than biochemists with years of experience, but Al just believes them anyway. Well done Al - you have just shown what calibre of person the public can expect if they vote UKIP. - an uneducated opiniated idiot.
So nice to hear from an unbiassed tw4t. Cattle can easily be innoculated against the disease but they don't want to do it. I take it you are an idiot amatuer that thinks he knows it all as well then.
I was a biologist, working at WIckham Laboratories for several years, so yes, when I tell you there is no vaccine for cattle or badgers, what great personal insight can you put up against that? Perhaps you could tell us the particualr strain you intend to vaccinate with, and perhaps you could tell everyone where it was successfully tested and proven. You cannot answer any of those questions because I can tell you now there is no answer, and no amount of uneducated flannel from you will change that.. Did you infer that you are the cream of UKIP intellect by the way?
I do not make claims of any sort, except that what you have just said is in direct contradiction of an article in the Telegraph some time ago, and I would rather believe what I read in the Telegraph than any claims by an opinionated pr4t
Just to clarify the situation cattle can be inoculated against Bovine TB but when they are subsequently tested for Bovine TB before their they can be admitted to the food chain, it's impossible to test for the tiny amount of Bovine TB that was in the inoculation and the real thing. Therefore any positive result renders the animal worthless. I was enlightened by one of the Vets from the Seadown Practice in the New Forest so before the usual suspect embarrasses himself by telling us that Margaret Thatcher introduced it, just phone the vet.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MisterGrimsdale[/bold] wrote: Why is it ok to condemn rats to a terrible painful slow death through poisoned bait yet it is wrong to kill foxes, which are also vermin? I don't hunt and I don't shoot, - I just want one of these animal liberationists or fox feeders to explain the difference. Either we kill both or we let both live - townies can't have one rule for " their" pests and another rule for farmers pests[/p][/quote]I personally am not squeamish about the fate of rats, but when I had a smallholding in Kent, I never needed to do anything about them, despite my proximity to the River Medway as the residents of a badger sett on my ground did it for me. I will admit to having shot foxes that got too close to the poultry, but badgers were my best friends. I can't understand why the stupid government wants to kill them.[/p][/quote]Badgers carry TB but are immune to it. Badgers are protected so their population grows, so they have to move beyond the woods onto farmland to find food. Badgers urinate on grass which is then eaten by cows. Cows are not immune to TB so they get TB. Suffering animals have to be put down - bovine TB is a horrible disease. Farmers lose a lifetime's hard work when the herd is destroyed. As is the way these days, unfinformed amateurs appoint themselves as experts despite having no knowledge or training in biology. Unifnformed amateurs with nothing beyond a bit of googling decide that the control programme is totally and utterly wrong. Uninformed amateurs decide that the solution is vaccination despite there being no viable vaccine except in the minds of those same animal extremists, no means to trap enough badgers and no vets available to administer the vaccine even if it existed. Uninformed amateurs decide on the basis of a bit of facebook research that they know more than biochemists with years of experience, but Al just believes them anyway. Well done Al - you have just shown what calibre of person the public can expect if they vote UKIP. - an uneducated opiniated idiot.[/p][/quote]So nice to hear from an unbiassed tw4t. Cattle can easily be innoculated against the disease but they don't want to do it. I take it you are an idiot amatuer that thinks he knows it all as well then.[/p][/quote]I was a biologist, working at WIckham Laboratories for several years, so yes, when I tell you there is no vaccine for cattle or badgers, what great personal insight can you put up against that? Perhaps you could tell us the particualr strain you intend to vaccinate with, and perhaps you could tell everyone where it was successfully tested and proven. You cannot answer any of those questions because I can tell you now there is no answer, and no amount of uneducated flannel from you will change that.. Did you infer that you are the cream of UKIP intellect by the way?[/p][/quote]I do not make claims of any sort, except that what you have just said is in direct contradiction of an article in the Telegraph some time ago, and I would rather believe what I read in the Telegraph than any claims by an opinionated pr4t[/p][/quote]Just to clarify the situation cattle can be inoculated against Bovine TB but when they are subsequently tested for Bovine TB before their they can be admitted to the food chain, it's impossible to test for the tiny amount of Bovine TB that was in the inoculation and the real thing. Therefore any positive result renders the animal worthless. I was enlightened by one of the Vets from the Seadown Practice in the New Forest so before the usual suspect embarrasses himself by telling us that Margaret Thatcher introduced it, just phone the vet. Torchie1

6:07pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Inform Al says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
MisterGrimsdale wrote:
Why is it ok to condemn rats to a terrible painful slow death through poisoned bait yet it is wrong to kill foxes, which are also vermin? I don't hunt and I don't shoot, - I just want one of these animal liberationists or fox feeders to explain the difference. Either we kill both or we let both live - townies can't have one rule for " their" pests and another rule for farmers pests
I personally am not squeamish about the fate of rats, but when I had a smallholding in Kent, I never needed to do anything about them, despite my proximity to the River Medway as the residents of a badger sett on my ground did it for me. I will admit to having shot foxes that got too close to the poultry, but badgers were my best friends. I can't understand why the stupid government wants to kill them.
Badgers carry TB but are immune to it. Badgers are protected so their population grows, so they have to move beyond the woods onto farmland to find food. Badgers urinate on grass which is then eaten by cows. Cows are not immune to TB so they get TB. Suffering animals have to be put down - bovine TB is a horrible disease. Farmers lose a lifetime's hard work when the herd is destroyed. As is the way these days, unfinformed amateurs appoint themselves as experts despite having no knowledge or training in biology. Unifnformed amateurs with nothing beyond a bit of googling decide that the control programme is totally and utterly wrong. Uninformed amateurs decide that the solution is vaccination despite there being no viable vaccine except in the minds of those same animal extremists, no means to trap enough badgers and no vets available to administer the vaccine even if it existed. Uninformed amateurs decide on the basis of a bit of facebook research that they know more than biochemists with years of experience, but Al just believes them anyway. Well done Al - you have just shown what calibre of person the public can expect if they vote UKIP. - an uneducated opiniated idiot.
So nice to hear from an unbiassed tw4t. Cattle can easily be innoculated against the disease but they don't want to do it. I take it you are an idiot amatuer that thinks he knows it all as well then.
I was a biologist, working at WIckham Laboratories for several years, so yes, when I tell you there is no vaccine for cattle or badgers, what great personal insight can you put up against that? Perhaps you could tell us the particualr strain you intend to vaccinate with, and perhaps you could tell everyone where it was successfully tested and proven. You cannot answer any of those questions because I can tell you now there is no answer, and no amount of uneducated flannel from you will change that.. Did you infer that you are the cream of UKIP intellect by the way?
I do not make claims of any sort, except that what you have just said is in direct contradiction of an article in the Telegraph some time ago, and I would rather believe what I read in the Telegraph than any claims by an opinionated pr4t
Just to clarify the situation cattle can be inoculated against Bovine TB but when they are subsequently tested for Bovine TB before their they can be admitted to the food chain, it's impossible to test for the tiny amount of Bovine TB that was in the inoculation and the real thing. Therefore any positive result renders the animal worthless. I was enlightened by one of the Vets from the Seadown Practice in the New Forest so before the usual suspect embarrasses himself by telling us that Margaret Thatcher introduced it, just phone the vet.
Just why is an animal that has been innoculated worthless, are we alergic to the innoculation in our food or is it down to an EU directive? PS I already know the answer.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MisterGrimsdale[/bold] wrote: Why is it ok to condemn rats to a terrible painful slow death through poisoned bait yet it is wrong to kill foxes, which are also vermin? I don't hunt and I don't shoot, - I just want one of these animal liberationists or fox feeders to explain the difference. Either we kill both or we let both live - townies can't have one rule for " their" pests and another rule for farmers pests[/p][/quote]I personally am not squeamish about the fate of rats, but when I had a smallholding in Kent, I never needed to do anything about them, despite my proximity to the River Medway as the residents of a badger sett on my ground did it for me. I will admit to having shot foxes that got too close to the poultry, but badgers were my best friends. I can't understand why the stupid government wants to kill them.[/p][/quote]Badgers carry TB but are immune to it. Badgers are protected so their population grows, so they have to move beyond the woods onto farmland to find food. Badgers urinate on grass which is then eaten by cows. Cows are not immune to TB so they get TB. Suffering animals have to be put down - bovine TB is a horrible disease. Farmers lose a lifetime's hard work when the herd is destroyed. As is the way these days, unfinformed amateurs appoint themselves as experts despite having no knowledge or training in biology. Unifnformed amateurs with nothing beyond a bit of googling decide that the control programme is totally and utterly wrong. Uninformed amateurs decide that the solution is vaccination despite there being no viable vaccine except in the minds of those same animal extremists, no means to trap enough badgers and no vets available to administer the vaccine even if it existed. Uninformed amateurs decide on the basis of a bit of facebook research that they know more than biochemists with years of experience, but Al just believes them anyway. Well done Al - you have just shown what calibre of person the public can expect if they vote UKIP. - an uneducated opiniated idiot.[/p][/quote]So nice to hear from an unbiassed tw4t. Cattle can easily be innoculated against the disease but they don't want to do it. I take it you are an idiot amatuer that thinks he knows it all as well then.[/p][/quote]I was a biologist, working at WIckham Laboratories for several years, so yes, when I tell you there is no vaccine for cattle or badgers, what great personal insight can you put up against that? Perhaps you could tell us the particualr strain you intend to vaccinate with, and perhaps you could tell everyone where it was successfully tested and proven. You cannot answer any of those questions because I can tell you now there is no answer, and no amount of uneducated flannel from you will change that.. Did you infer that you are the cream of UKIP intellect by the way?[/p][/quote]I do not make claims of any sort, except that what you have just said is in direct contradiction of an article in the Telegraph some time ago, and I would rather believe what I read in the Telegraph than any claims by an opinionated pr4t[/p][/quote]Just to clarify the situation cattle can be inoculated against Bovine TB but when they are subsequently tested for Bovine TB before their they can be admitted to the food chain, it's impossible to test for the tiny amount of Bovine TB that was in the inoculation and the real thing. Therefore any positive result renders the animal worthless. I was enlightened by one of the Vets from the Seadown Practice in the New Forest so before the usual suspect embarrasses himself by telling us that Margaret Thatcher introduced it, just phone the vet.[/p][/quote]Just why is an animal that has been innoculated worthless, are we alergic to the innoculation in our food or is it down to an EU directive? PS I already know the answer. Inform Al

6:44pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Torchie1 says...

Inform Al wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
MisterGrimsdale wrote:
Why is it ok to condemn rats to a terrible painful slow death through poisoned bait yet it is wrong to kill foxes, which are also vermin? I don't hunt and I don't shoot, - I just want one of these animal liberationists or fox feeders to explain the difference. Either we kill both or we let both live - townies can't have one rule for " their" pests and another rule for farmers pests
I personally am not squeamish about the fate of rats, but when I had a smallholding in Kent, I never needed to do anything about them, despite my proximity to the River Medway as the residents of a badger sett on my ground did it for me. I will admit to having shot foxes that got too close to the poultry, but badgers were my best friends. I can't understand why the stupid government wants to kill them.
Badgers carry TB but are immune to it. Badgers are protected so their population grows, so they have to move beyond the woods onto farmland to find food. Badgers urinate on grass which is then eaten by cows. Cows are not immune to TB so they get TB. Suffering animals have to be put down - bovine TB is a horrible disease. Farmers lose a lifetime's hard work when the herd is destroyed. As is the way these days, unfinformed amateurs appoint themselves as experts despite having no knowledge or training in biology. Unifnformed amateurs with nothing beyond a bit of googling decide that the control programme is totally and utterly wrong. Uninformed amateurs decide that the solution is vaccination despite there being no viable vaccine except in the minds of those same animal extremists, no means to trap enough badgers and no vets available to administer the vaccine even if it existed. Uninformed amateurs decide on the basis of a bit of facebook research that they know more than biochemists with years of experience, but Al just believes them anyway. Well done Al - you have just shown what calibre of person the public can expect if they vote UKIP. - an uneducated opiniated idiot.
So nice to hear from an unbiassed tw4t. Cattle can easily be innoculated against the disease but they don't want to do it. I take it you are an idiot amatuer that thinks he knows it all as well then.
I was a biologist, working at WIckham Laboratories for several years, so yes, when I tell you there is no vaccine for cattle or badgers, what great personal insight can you put up against that? Perhaps you could tell us the particualr strain you intend to vaccinate with, and perhaps you could tell everyone where it was successfully tested and proven. You cannot answer any of those questions because I can tell you now there is no answer, and no amount of uneducated flannel from you will change that.. Did you infer that you are the cream of UKIP intellect by the way?
I do not make claims of any sort, except that what you have just said is in direct contradiction of an article in the Telegraph some time ago, and I would rather believe what I read in the Telegraph than any claims by an opinionated pr4t
Just to clarify the situation cattle can be inoculated against Bovine TB but when they are subsequently tested for Bovine TB before their they can be admitted to the food chain, it's impossible to test for the tiny amount of Bovine TB that was in the inoculation and the real thing. Therefore any positive result renders the animal worthless. I was enlightened by one of the Vets from the Seadown Practice in the New Forest so before the usual suspect embarrasses himself by telling us that Margaret Thatcher introduced it, just phone the vet.
Just why is an animal that has been innoculated worthless, are we alergic to the innoculation in our food or is it down to an EU directive? PS I already know the answer.
Don't shoot the messenger. Unless the rules are changed, a positive test for bTB means the animal can't legally move in to the food chain. Look at all of the fuss caused by the presence of horse meat in UK burgers when the same meat is widely consumed in Europe and then think what it would mean if TB+ meat was found on the shelves of Sainsburys. If you want to get to the bottom of something else try asking why none of the dead badgers is tested for TB to gauge how widespread the problem really is. It would seem that an assumption is made that in certain areas, all badgers are considered TB+.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MisterGrimsdale[/bold] wrote: Why is it ok to condemn rats to a terrible painful slow death through poisoned bait yet it is wrong to kill foxes, which are also vermin? I don't hunt and I don't shoot, - I just want one of these animal liberationists or fox feeders to explain the difference. Either we kill both or we let both live - townies can't have one rule for " their" pests and another rule for farmers pests[/p][/quote]I personally am not squeamish about the fate of rats, but when I had a smallholding in Kent, I never needed to do anything about them, despite my proximity to the River Medway as the residents of a badger sett on my ground did it for me. I will admit to having shot foxes that got too close to the poultry, but badgers were my best friends. I can't understand why the stupid government wants to kill them.[/p][/quote]Badgers carry TB but are immune to it. Badgers are protected so their population grows, so they have to move beyond the woods onto farmland to find food. Badgers urinate on grass which is then eaten by cows. Cows are not immune to TB so they get TB. Suffering animals have to be put down - bovine TB is a horrible disease. Farmers lose a lifetime's hard work when the herd is destroyed. As is the way these days, unfinformed amateurs appoint themselves as experts despite having no knowledge or training in biology. Unifnformed amateurs with nothing beyond a bit of googling decide that the control programme is totally and utterly wrong. Uninformed amateurs decide that the solution is vaccination despite there being no viable vaccine except in the minds of those same animal extremists, no means to trap enough badgers and no vets available to administer the vaccine even if it existed. Uninformed amateurs decide on the basis of a bit of facebook research that they know more than biochemists with years of experience, but Al just believes them anyway. Well done Al - you have just shown what calibre of person the public can expect if they vote UKIP. - an uneducated opiniated idiot.[/p][/quote]So nice to hear from an unbiassed tw4t. Cattle can easily be innoculated against the disease but they don't want to do it. I take it you are an idiot amatuer that thinks he knows it all as well then.[/p][/quote]I was a biologist, working at WIckham Laboratories for several years, so yes, when I tell you there is no vaccine for cattle or badgers, what great personal insight can you put up against that? Perhaps you could tell us the particualr strain you intend to vaccinate with, and perhaps you could tell everyone where it was successfully tested and proven. You cannot answer any of those questions because I can tell you now there is no answer, and no amount of uneducated flannel from you will change that.. Did you infer that you are the cream of UKIP intellect by the way?[/p][/quote]I do not make claims of any sort, except that what you have just said is in direct contradiction of an article in the Telegraph some time ago, and I would rather believe what I read in the Telegraph than any claims by an opinionated pr4t[/p][/quote]Just to clarify the situation cattle can be inoculated against Bovine TB but when they are subsequently tested for Bovine TB before their they can be admitted to the food chain, it's impossible to test for the tiny amount of Bovine TB that was in the inoculation and the real thing. Therefore any positive result renders the animal worthless. I was enlightened by one of the Vets from the Seadown Practice in the New Forest so before the usual suspect embarrasses himself by telling us that Margaret Thatcher introduced it, just phone the vet.[/p][/quote]Just why is an animal that has been innoculated worthless, are we alergic to the innoculation in our food or is it down to an EU directive? PS I already know the answer.[/p][/quote]Don't shoot the messenger. Unless the rules are changed, a positive test for bTB means the animal can't legally move in to the food chain. Look at all of the fuss caused by the presence of horse meat in UK burgers when the same meat is widely consumed in Europe and then think what it would mean if TB+ meat was found on the shelves of Sainsburys. If you want to get to the bottom of something else try asking why none of the dead badgers is tested for TB to gauge how widespread the problem really is. It would seem that an assumption is made that in certain areas, all badgers are considered TB+. Torchie1

12:11pm Sun 2 Feb 14

The Wickham Man says...

southy wrote:
Wickham Man TB is not transmitted though urine, its transmitted though cough up Phlegm, sneeze or spit, they propel the TB germs into the air.
So you tie knots in bits of rope for a living and yet you know more about biochemistry than someone who worked in that field for 25 years? THis is why people laugh at you. Your stupidity reminds people not to vote for your party, in case you were wondering why you never stand a chance of winning anything.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Wickham Man TB is not transmitted though urine, its transmitted though cough up Phlegm, sneeze or spit, they propel the TB germs into the air.[/p][/quote]So you tie knots in bits of rope for a living and yet you know more about biochemistry than someone who worked in that field for 25 years? THis is why people laugh at you. Your stupidity reminds people not to vote for your party, in case you were wondering why you never stand a chance of winning anything. The Wickham Man

4:01pm Sun 2 Feb 14

southy says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
southy wrote:
Wickham Man TB is not transmitted though urine, its transmitted though cough up Phlegm, sneeze or spit, they propel the TB germs into the air.
So you tie knots in bits of rope for a living and yet you know more about biochemistry than someone who worked in that field for 25 years? THis is why people laugh at you. Your stupidity reminds people not to vote for your party, in case you were wondering why you never stand a chance of winning anything.
Well I have had to work with Vets once in a while and if it was not for riggers your world would not excise, and if you really did work in the biochemistry industry then you would know TB is transmitted though the air and not in Urine.
You also find the information on line too as i have just look.
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Wickham Man TB is not transmitted though urine, its transmitted though cough up Phlegm, sneeze or spit, they propel the TB germs into the air.[/p][/quote]So you tie knots in bits of rope for a living and yet you know more about biochemistry than someone who worked in that field for 25 years? THis is why people laugh at you. Your stupidity reminds people not to vote for your party, in case you were wondering why you never stand a chance of winning anything.[/p][/quote]Well I have had to work with Vets once in a while and if it was not for riggers your world would not excise, and if you really did work in the biochemistry industry then you would know TB is transmitted though the air and not in Urine. You also find the information on line too as i have just look. southy

5:30pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Inform Al says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
The Wickham Man wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
MisterGrimsdale wrote:
Why is it ok to condemn rats to a terrible painful slow death through poisoned bait yet it is wrong to kill foxes, which are also vermin? I don't hunt and I don't shoot, - I just want one of these animal liberationists or fox feeders to explain the difference. Either we kill both or we let both live - townies can't have one rule for " their" pests and another rule for farmers pests
I personally am not squeamish about the fate of rats, but when I had a smallholding in Kent, I never needed to do anything about them, despite my proximity to the River Medway as the residents of a badger sett on my ground did it for me. I will admit to having shot foxes that got too close to the poultry, but badgers were my best friends. I can't understand why the stupid government wants to kill them.
Badgers carry TB but are immune to it. Badgers are protected so their population grows, so they have to move beyond the woods onto farmland to find food. Badgers urinate on grass which is then eaten by cows. Cows are not immune to TB so they get TB. Suffering animals have to be put down - bovine TB is a horrible disease. Farmers lose a lifetime's hard work when the herd is destroyed. As is the way these days, unfinformed amateurs appoint themselves as experts despite having no knowledge or training in biology. Unifnformed amateurs with nothing beyond a bit of googling decide that the control programme is totally and utterly wrong. Uninformed amateurs decide that the solution is vaccination despite there being no viable vaccine except in the minds of those same animal extremists, no means to trap enough badgers and no vets available to administer the vaccine even if it existed. Uninformed amateurs decide on the basis of a bit of facebook research that they know more than biochemists with years of experience, but Al just believes them anyway. Well done Al - you have just shown what calibre of person the public can expect if they vote UKIP. - an uneducated opiniated idiot.
So nice to hear from an unbiassed tw4t. Cattle can easily be innoculated against the disease but they don't want to do it. I take it you are an idiot amatuer that thinks he knows it all as well then.
I was a biologist, working at WIckham Laboratories for several years, so yes, when I tell you there is no vaccine for cattle or badgers, what great personal insight can you put up against that? Perhaps you could tell us the particualr strain you intend to vaccinate with, and perhaps you could tell everyone where it was successfully tested and proven. You cannot answer any of those questions because I can tell you now there is no answer, and no amount of uneducated flannel from you will change that.. Did you infer that you are the cream of UKIP intellect by the way?
I do not make claims of any sort, except that what you have just said is in direct contradiction of an article in the Telegraph some time ago, and I would rather believe what I read in the Telegraph than any claims by an opinionated pr4t
Just to clarify the situation cattle can be inoculated against Bovine TB but when they are subsequently tested for Bovine TB before their they can be admitted to the food chain, it's impossible to test for the tiny amount of Bovine TB that was in the inoculation and the real thing. Therefore any positive result renders the animal worthless. I was enlightened by one of the Vets from the Seadown Practice in the New Forest so before the usual suspect embarrasses himself by telling us that Margaret Thatcher introduced it, just phone the vet.
Just why is an animal that has been innoculated worthless, are we alergic to the innoculation in our food or is it down to an EU directive? PS I already know the answer.
Don't shoot the messenger. Unless the rules are changed, a positive test for bTB means the animal can't legally move in to the food chain. Look at all of the fuss caused by the presence of horse meat in UK burgers when the same meat is widely consumed in Europe and then think what it would mean if TB+ meat was found on the shelves of Sainsburys. If you want to get to the bottom of something else try asking why none of the dead badgers is tested for TB to gauge how widespread the problem really is. It would seem that an assumption is made that in certain areas, all badgers are considered TB+.
There are parts of the world where cattle that have not been innoculated cannot be sold for food. In those places it is mandatory to innoculate all cattle. If this was to be the EUs policy there would be no more problems with bovine TB, and we could allow badgers to continue keeping the rat population down for us.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MisterGrimsdale[/bold] wrote: Why is it ok to condemn rats to a terrible painful slow death through poisoned bait yet it is wrong to kill foxes, which are also vermin? I don't hunt and I don't shoot, - I just want one of these animal liberationists or fox feeders to explain the difference. Either we kill both or we let both live - townies can't have one rule for " their" pests and another rule for farmers pests[/p][/quote]I personally am not squeamish about the fate of rats, but when I had a smallholding in Kent, I never needed to do anything about them, despite my proximity to the River Medway as the residents of a badger sett on my ground did it for me. I will admit to having shot foxes that got too close to the poultry, but badgers were my best friends. I can't understand why the stupid government wants to kill them.[/p][/quote]Badgers carry TB but are immune to it. Badgers are protected so their population grows, so they have to move beyond the woods onto farmland to find food. Badgers urinate on grass which is then eaten by cows. Cows are not immune to TB so they get TB. Suffering animals have to be put down - bovine TB is a horrible disease. Farmers lose a lifetime's hard work when the herd is destroyed. As is the way these days, unfinformed amateurs appoint themselves as experts despite having no knowledge or training in biology. Unifnformed amateurs with nothing beyond a bit of googling decide that the control programme is totally and utterly wrong. Uninformed amateurs decide that the solution is vaccination despite there being no viable vaccine except in the minds of those same animal extremists, no means to trap enough badgers and no vets available to administer the vaccine even if it existed. Uninformed amateurs decide on the basis of a bit of facebook research that they know more than biochemists with years of experience, but Al just believes them anyway. Well done Al - you have just shown what calibre of person the public can expect if they vote UKIP. - an uneducated opiniated idiot.[/p][/quote]So nice to hear from an unbiassed tw4t. Cattle can easily be innoculated against the disease but they don't want to do it. I take it you are an idiot amatuer that thinks he knows it all as well then.[/p][/quote]I was a biologist, working at WIckham Laboratories for several years, so yes, when I tell you there is no vaccine for cattle or badgers, what great personal insight can you put up against that? Perhaps you could tell us the particualr strain you intend to vaccinate with, and perhaps you could tell everyone where it was successfully tested and proven. You cannot answer any of those questions because I can tell you now there is no answer, and no amount of uneducated flannel from you will change that.. Did you infer that you are the cream of UKIP intellect by the way?[/p][/quote]I do not make claims of any sort, except that what you have just said is in direct contradiction of an article in the Telegraph some time ago, and I would rather believe what I read in the Telegraph than any claims by an opinionated pr4t[/p][/quote]Just to clarify the situation cattle can be inoculated against Bovine TB but when they are subsequently tested for Bovine TB before their they can be admitted to the food chain, it's impossible to test for the tiny amount of Bovine TB that was in the inoculation and the real thing. Therefore any positive result renders the animal worthless. I was enlightened by one of the Vets from the Seadown Practice in the New Forest so before the usual suspect embarrasses himself by telling us that Margaret Thatcher introduced it, just phone the vet.[/p][/quote]Just why is an animal that has been innoculated worthless, are we alergic to the innoculation in our food or is it down to an EU directive? PS I already know the answer.[/p][/quote]Don't shoot the messenger. Unless the rules are changed, a positive test for bTB means the animal can't legally move in to the food chain. Look at all of the fuss caused by the presence of horse meat in UK burgers when the same meat is widely consumed in Europe and then think what it would mean if TB+ meat was found on the shelves of Sainsburys. If you want to get to the bottom of something else try asking why none of the dead badgers is tested for TB to gauge how widespread the problem really is. It would seem that an assumption is made that in certain areas, all badgers are considered TB+.[/p][/quote]There are parts of the world where cattle that have not been innoculated cannot be sold for food. In those places it is mandatory to innoculate all cattle. If this was to be the EUs policy there would be no more problems with bovine TB, and we could allow badgers to continue keeping the rat population down for us. Inform Al

7:54pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Ronnie G says...

The 53-year-old woman, who did not want to be named, said that hearing the rats stops her from sleeping, and despite using rat traps and poison and calling pest control, they just won’t go away.
And she added that pest controllers visited her house to eliminate the rats, but told her they will be unable to fully tackle it unless the hole is filled by Southampton City Council!!
So you see this lovely lady HAD explored every avenue before having to contact The Daily Echo as a last resort!!

Ejit, LOL!
The 53-year-old woman, who did not want to be named, said that hearing the rats stops her from sleeping, and despite using rat traps and poison and calling pest control, they just won’t go away. And she added that pest controllers visited her house to eliminate the rats, but told her they will be unable to fully tackle it unless the hole is filled by Southampton City Council!! So you see this lovely lady HAD explored every avenue before having to contact The Daily Echo as a last resort!! Ejit, LOL! Ronnie G

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