Mum asks why it took councils so long to get rid of material dumped near beach

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A MOTHER-OF-FOUR is asking council bosses why it took so long to deal with asbestos dumped near a Hampshire beach.

Despite frantic calls to the authorities after she spotted the debris close to the beach at Hamble, Debbie Gordon. 40, saw nothing being done to remove it.

It was removed about a week later.

The Hamble resident said that she felt the issue had not been treated seriously when she alerted Eastleigh Borough Council, though it has since revealed it is not responsible for the land in question as it is owned by Hamble Parish Council.

It said it had passed Mrs Gordon’s concerns on.

Mrs Gordon first noticed what she believed to be asbestos when walking with her husband at Westfield Common, just up from the beach at Hamble, next to the public walkway, on Wednesday, January 22, though her children saw it two days before.

Mrs Gordon said it was broken and there was dust, which made her more concerned.

She rang the out-of-hours service for Eastleigh Borough Council that evening but Mrs Gordon claims the operator made light of the situation.

She said she had, however, been told that the council would send someone out in the morning when they had protective clothing.

She rang other authorities, including the police, for help and advice, but this had no effect.

Mrs Gordon then found another larger patch of four or five sheets next to the car park.

When fibres from asbestos are inhaled they can cause serious diseases, which may affect people later on in life.

Mrs Gordon said that the asbestos was near public walkways and in areas where children play and teenagers hang around and she was concerned about the long-term effects.

“They’re prepared to let my children, teenagers and the public walk past it,” she said.

An Eastleigh Borough Council spokesperson said it had received a call about the material, which was on land owned by Hamble Parish Council.

He said: “The call was logged and an email sent on Thursday morning informing them of the issue.”

Environmental Health officers from the council did go down independently last Friday and confirmed it was asbestos cement sheeting and of minimal risk.

A Hamble Parish Council spokesman said Eastleigh Borough Council had arranged on their behalf for a fully trained and licensed asbestos contractor to remove the dumped materials from Westfield Common and dispose of them properly.

He said: “Fly-tipping is a distressing but everyday fact of life for local authorities such as ourselves.

“We deal with over 40 incidents each year at Westfield Common alone.

“The entire cost of the clean-up in this instance will be borne by Hamble-le-Rice Parish Council and therefore the Hamble-le-Rice council taxpayer will ultimately be out of pocket over this issue.”

A spokesman for Hampshire police confirmed they had received a call about possible asbestos.

“Full details were taken and passed to the council to deal with as this was assessed not to be a police matter and there were no immediate health and safety concerns,” he said.

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10:17am Sun 2 Feb 14

forest hump says...

Sheet asbestos causes little or no problems unless you inhale lungfulls of the stuff. If it was outside, it was wet. Even less of a risk. Sensationalistic journalism and total overreaction by general public caused by years of mis-information. I do not condone fly tipping but let us get things in perspective.
Sheet asbestos causes little or no problems unless you inhale lungfulls of the stuff. If it was outside, it was wet. Even less of a risk. Sensationalistic journalism and total overreaction by general public caused by years of mis-information. I do not condone fly tipping but let us get things in perspective. forest hump
  • Score: 9

10:37am Sun 2 Feb 14

azzyman says...

forest hump wrote:
Sheet asbestos causes little or no problems unless you inhale lungfulls of the stuff. If it was outside, it was wet. Even less of a risk. Sensationalistic journalism and total overreaction by general public caused by years of mis-information. I do not condone fly tipping but let us get things in perspective.
Totally agree with this if the public had better information supplied to them about asbestos and the types of asbestos then their would not be wide spread panic at the mention of the word the council have acted correctly in dealing with this
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Sheet asbestos causes little or no problems unless you inhale lungfulls of the stuff. If it was outside, it was wet. Even less of a risk. Sensationalistic journalism and total overreaction by general public caused by years of mis-information. I do not condone fly tipping but let us get things in perspective.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with this if the public had better information supplied to them about asbestos and the types of asbestos then their would not be wide spread panic at the mention of the word the council have acted correctly in dealing with this azzyman
  • Score: 8

10:55am Sun 2 Feb 14

southy says...

azzyman wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Sheet asbestos causes little or no problems unless you inhale lungfulls of the stuff. If it was outside, it was wet. Even less of a risk. Sensationalistic journalism and total overreaction by general public caused by years of mis-information. I do not condone fly tipping but let us get things in perspective.
Totally agree with this if the public had better information supplied to them about asbestos and the types of asbestos then their would not be wide spread panic at the mention of the word the council have acted correctly in dealing with this
Wrong about the amount of asbestos it takes, just 1 asbestos fiber that,s all it takes1.
Your right about if its damp or wet it as little risk, providing it don't break as the center of it will be dry as a bone
[quote][p][bold]azzyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Sheet asbestos causes little or no problems unless you inhale lungfulls of the stuff. If it was outside, it was wet. Even less of a risk. Sensationalistic journalism and total overreaction by general public caused by years of mis-information. I do not condone fly tipping but let us get things in perspective.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with this if the public had better information supplied to them about asbestos and the types of asbestos then their would not be wide spread panic at the mention of the word the council have acted correctly in dealing with this[/p][/quote]Wrong about the amount of asbestos it takes, just 1 asbestos fiber that,s all it takes1. Your right about if its damp or wet it as little risk, providing it don't break as the center of it will be dry as a bone southy
  • Score: -4

4:51pm Sun 2 Feb 14

bobbyboy says...

Asbestos is a killer we all know this my father died from it (brake shoe dust as all brake shoes contained asbestos till well into the 90's) also an unknown fact we found out from doctors at the time all of us has been exposed in one form of it or another as we all live in close proximity to the docks and even now many years later there is still enough airbourne dust to affect at least some poor soul who has never encountered the stuff physicaly.At least your problem has been dealt with things take time to organise due to ownerships and costs so a bleat is a bit belated.
Asbestos is a killer we all know this my father died from it (brake shoe dust as all brake shoes contained asbestos till well into the 90's) also an unknown fact we found out from doctors at the time all of us has been exposed in one form of it or another as we all live in close proximity to the docks and even now many years later there is still enough airbourne dust to affect at least some poor soul who has never encountered the stuff physicaly.At least your problem has been dealt with things take time to organise due to ownerships and costs so a bleat is a bit belated. bobbyboy
  • Score: 3

6:26pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Torchie1 says...

bobbyboy wrote:
Asbestos is a killer we all know this my father died from it (brake shoe dust as all brake shoes contained asbestos till well into the 90's) also an unknown fact we found out from doctors at the time all of us has been exposed in one form of it or another as we all live in close proximity to the docks and even now many years later there is still enough airbourne dust to affect at least some poor soul who has never encountered the stuff physicaly.At least your problem has been dealt with things take time to organise due to ownerships and costs so a bleat is a bit belated.
Both car brake shoes/pads and clutch plates bought from a reputable source were sold with an orange sticker with an 'a' on it to warn of asbestos content for more years than I care to remember, and the presence of asbestos in these items has been well known for decades which is why garage mechanics never used an airline to blow out brake drums........ at least the sensible ones didn't. I've always played with old cars and still have these marked items on the shelf ready to use which are freely available still at events like the Beaulieu Auto-Jumble.
[quote][p][bold]bobbyboy[/bold] wrote: Asbestos is a killer we all know this my father died from it (brake shoe dust as all brake shoes contained asbestos till well into the 90's) also an unknown fact we found out from doctors at the time all of us has been exposed in one form of it or another as we all live in close proximity to the docks and even now many years later there is still enough airbourne dust to affect at least some poor soul who has never encountered the stuff physicaly.At least your problem has been dealt with things take time to organise due to ownerships and costs so a bleat is a bit belated.[/p][/quote]Both car brake shoes/pads and clutch plates bought from a reputable source were sold with an orange sticker with an 'a' on it to warn of asbestos content for more years than I care to remember, and the presence of asbestos in these items has been well known for decades which is why garage mechanics never used an airline to blow out brake drums........ at least the sensible ones didn't. I've always played with old cars and still have these marked items on the shelf ready to use which are freely available still at events like the Beaulieu Auto-Jumble. Torchie1
  • Score: 1

6:39pm Sun 2 Feb 14

forest hump says...

southy wrote:
azzyman wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Sheet asbestos causes little or no problems unless you inhale lungfulls of the stuff. If it was outside, it was wet. Even less of a risk. Sensationalistic journalism and total overreaction by general public caused by years of mis-information. I do not condone fly tipping but let us get things in perspective.
Totally agree with this if the public had better information supplied to them about asbestos and the types of asbestos then their would not be wide spread panic at the mention of the word the council have acted correctly in dealing with this
Wrong about the amount of asbestos it takes, just 1 asbestos fiber that,s all it takes1.
Your right about if its damp or wet it as little risk, providing it don't break as the center of it will be dry as a bone
Asbestos exposure becomes a health concern when high concentrations are inhaled over a long period. Amosite (brown) and crocidolite (blue) are the highest risk types. Asbestos sheets are predominately made from Serpentine type asbestos, mainly Chrysotile. A few sheets dumped and left for a relatively short period in damp conditions presents an extremely low risk, if any. Again, I repeat: asbestos risk has been blown out of all proportion by all forms of media whose only objective is to hype up stories for profit. From salmonella in eggs to BSE, from the Millennium Bug to bird 'flu, from DDT to passive smoking, from asbestos to global warming, 'scares' have become one of the most conspicuous and damaging features of our modern world.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]azzyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Sheet asbestos causes little or no problems unless you inhale lungfulls of the stuff. If it was outside, it was wet. Even less of a risk. Sensationalistic journalism and total overreaction by general public caused by years of mis-information. I do not condone fly tipping but let us get things in perspective.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with this if the public had better information supplied to them about asbestos and the types of asbestos then their would not be wide spread panic at the mention of the word the council have acted correctly in dealing with this[/p][/quote]Wrong about the amount of asbestos it takes, just 1 asbestos fiber that,s all it takes1. Your right about if its damp or wet it as little risk, providing it don't break as the center of it will be dry as a bone[/p][/quote]Asbestos exposure becomes a health concern when high concentrations are inhaled over a long period. Amosite (brown) and crocidolite (blue) are the highest risk types. Asbestos sheets are predominately made from Serpentine type asbestos, mainly Chrysotile. A few sheets dumped and left for a relatively short period in damp conditions presents an extremely low risk, if any. Again, I repeat: asbestos risk has been blown out of all proportion by all forms of media whose only objective is to hype up stories for profit. From salmonella in eggs to BSE, from the Millennium Bug to bird 'flu, from DDT to passive smoking, from asbestos to global warming, 'scares' have become one of the most conspicuous and damaging features of our modern world. forest hump
  • Score: 3

10:10pm Sun 2 Feb 14

SFC-Matt says...

forest hump wrote:
southy wrote:
azzyman wrote:
forest hump wrote: Sheet asbestos causes little or no problems unless you inhale lungfulls of the stuff. If it was outside, it was wet. Even less of a risk. Sensationalistic journalism and total overreaction by general public caused by years of mis-information. I do not condone fly tipping but let us get things in perspective.
Totally agree with this if the public had better information supplied to them about asbestos and the types of asbestos then their would not be wide spread panic at the mention of the word the council have acted correctly in dealing with this
Wrong about the amount of asbestos it takes, just 1 asbestos fiber that,s all it takes1. Your right about if its damp or wet it as little risk, providing it don't break as the center of it will be dry as a bone
Asbestos exposure becomes a health concern when high concentrations are inhaled over a long period. Amosite (brown) and crocidolite (blue) are the highest risk types. Asbestos sheets are predominately made from Serpentine type asbestos, mainly Chrysotile. A few sheets dumped and left for a relatively short period in damp conditions presents an extremely low risk, if any. Again, I repeat: asbestos risk has been blown out of all proportion by all forms of media whose only objective is to hype up stories for profit. From salmonella in eggs to BSE, from the Millennium Bug to bird 'flu, from DDT to passive smoking, from asbestos to global warming, 'scares' have become one of the most conspicuous and damaging features of our modern world.
Totally agree. The chances of developing a medical problem from walking past this would be less than being struck by lightning.
Asbestos type materials are still commonly used in manufacturing but with adjusted names due to the media scare campaign.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]azzyman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Sheet asbestos causes little or no problems unless you inhale lungfulls of the stuff. If it was outside, it was wet. Even less of a risk. Sensationalistic journalism and total overreaction by general public caused by years of mis-information. I do not condone fly tipping but let us get things in perspective.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with this if the public had better information supplied to them about asbestos and the types of asbestos then their would not be wide spread panic at the mention of the word the council have acted correctly in dealing with this[/p][/quote]Wrong about the amount of asbestos it takes, just 1 asbestos fiber that,s all it takes1. Your right about if its damp or wet it as little risk, providing it don't break as the center of it will be dry as a bone[/p][/quote]Asbestos exposure becomes a health concern when high concentrations are inhaled over a long period. Amosite (brown) and crocidolite (blue) are the highest risk types. Asbestos sheets are predominately made from Serpentine type asbestos, mainly Chrysotile. A few sheets dumped and left for a relatively short period in damp conditions presents an extremely low risk, if any. Again, I repeat: asbestos risk has been blown out of all proportion by all forms of media whose only objective is to hype up stories for profit. From salmonella in eggs to BSE, from the Millennium Bug to bird 'flu, from DDT to passive smoking, from asbestos to global warming, 'scares' have become one of the most conspicuous and damaging features of our modern world.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. The chances of developing a medical problem from walking past this would be less than being struck by lightning. Asbestos type materials are still commonly used in manufacturing but with adjusted names due to the media scare campaign. SFC-Matt
  • Score: 1

10:43am Mon 3 Feb 14

Niel says...

bobbyboy wrote:
Asbestos is a killer we all know this my father died from it (brake shoe dust as all brake shoes contained asbestos till well into the 90's) also an unknown fact we found out from doctors at the time all of us has been exposed in one form of it or another as we all live in close proximity to the docks and even now many years later there is still enough airbourne dust to affect at least some poor soul who has never encountered the stuff physicaly.At least your problem has been dealt with things take time to organise due to ownerships and costs so a bleat is a bit belated.
My old man died from Asbestos related cancer from brakes and clutches, having worked for Ferodo and TBL in the 50's and 60's. They cut his colon out due to ingested asbestos causing a cancer in the late 60's, the one of metastases however settled in his brain and that killed him 30 years later. The coroner however only ever acknowledges lung cancers as 'asbestos related' to keep the costs to the insurance 'industry' down... Those of us that have worked in the docks, power stations and heavy industry will have been exposed, as will home and pro mechanics, but the latest concerns are for are housing tradesmen, plumbers and electricians who are still being exposed due to the heavy use of asbestos. Corrugated asbestos cement sheet is one of the least harmful sources, but proper care isn't difficult, the problem is fly tipping by house holders or the s'**** bilge rats who will clear your rubbish for cash and just dump it where ever they can, if they haven't got a 'waste transfer/transport licence' and you allow them to remove your rubbish YOU are breaking the law!
[quote][p][bold]bobbyboy[/bold] wrote: Asbestos is a killer we all know this my father died from it (brake shoe dust as all brake shoes contained asbestos till well into the 90's) also an unknown fact we found out from doctors at the time all of us has been exposed in one form of it or another as we all live in close proximity to the docks and even now many years later there is still enough airbourne dust to affect at least some poor soul who has never encountered the stuff physicaly.At least your problem has been dealt with things take time to organise due to ownerships and costs so a bleat is a bit belated.[/p][/quote]My old man died from Asbestos related cancer from brakes and clutches, having worked for Ferodo and TBL in the 50's and 60's. They cut his colon out due to ingested asbestos causing a cancer in the late 60's, the one of metastases however settled in his brain and that killed him 30 years later. The coroner however only ever acknowledges lung cancers as 'asbestos related' to keep the costs to the insurance 'industry' down... Those of us that have worked in the docks, power stations and heavy industry will have been exposed, as will home and pro mechanics, but the latest concerns are for are housing tradesmen, plumbers and electricians who are still being exposed due to the heavy use of asbestos. Corrugated asbestos cement sheet is one of the least harmful sources, but proper care isn't difficult, the problem is fly tipping by house holders or the s'**** bilge rats who will clear your rubbish for cash and just dump it where ever they can, if they haven't got a 'waste transfer/transport licence' and you allow them to remove your rubbish YOU are breaking the law! Niel
  • Score: 0

11:03am Wed 5 Feb 14

befriendly says...

She was dealing with the council here where everything has to go through the proper channels and is extremely lucky to get it cleared in a week.
She was dealing with the council here where everything has to go through the proper channels and is extremely lucky to get it cleared in a week. befriendly
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