Suzanna Mills illegally claimed benefits after getting back together with husband

Suzanna Mills

Suzanna Mills

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Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Winchester Chief Reporter

WHEN a Hampshire mum split up with her husband she managed to survive with the help of vital benefits.

For 13 years carer Suzanna Mills legitimately claimed housing and council tax benefits, as well as income support.

But a reconciliation with her husband John turned the 45- year-old into a benefit cheat who carried out a £50,000 fraud on the state.

Mills had separated from husband John in 1997, Winchester Crown Court heard, and she initially legally claimed benefits.

He moved back in 2010 but Mills did not tell anyone she was no longer single, the court was told.As a result, over two years and eight months she illegally claimed £49,578.62, the court heard.

She pleaded guilty to two counts of dishonestly failing to disclose a change in circumstances between March 19 2010 and November 7 2012.

Mills, of Fleming Road, Weeke, Winchester, told investigators that her husband was only using her home as a “c/o” address. When surveillance photographs showed his parked car outside she claimed he sometimes slept in the vehicle.

Nick Robinson, mitigating, said Mills was previously of good character. She has children including one six-year-old with special needs, he added.

Since her dishonesty was discovered she has been paying back £300 a month, which means she has about 12 years to go before she clears the total.

Sentencing, the judge, Mr Recorder Simon Foster, said: “It is a serious matter, but to your credit this took place by your doing nothing rather than doing something, although you allowed this state of affairs to go on from March 2010 to November 2012.”

The judge imposed a 12-month community order with 200 hours unpaid work. There was no order for costs.

Outside court Mills told the Daily Echo: “I’m very sorry for it, but I don’t want to talk about it.”

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4:28am Tue 11 Feb 14

CHARLIE TAYLOR says...

Thats about £400-00 per week !!!
no wonder the country"s in a state!!
Thats about £400-00 per week !!! no wonder the country"s in a state!! CHARLIE TAYLOR
  • Score: 16

6:32am Tue 11 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Inform Al I thought Cameron was exaggerating about benefit fraud?
looks like you were wrong again doesn't it?
put her on the chain gang with a bucket & get her to somerset.
Inform Al I thought Cameron was exaggerating about benefit fraud? looks like you were wrong again doesn't it? put her on the chain gang with a bucket & get her to somerset. loosehead
  • Score: 13

7:29am Tue 11 Feb 14

dont lie says...

outside court she said she was sorry.
SORRY SHE GOT CAUGHT
outside court she said she was sorry. SORRY SHE GOT CAUGHT dont lie
  • Score: 24

8:06am Tue 11 Feb 14

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

lots of them still at it with working live in partners ,shop em.
lots of them still at it with working live in partners ,shop em. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.
  • Score: 17

8:15am Tue 11 Feb 14

Outside of the Box says...

200hrs x £245 = 49,000 Nice work if you can get it.
200hrs x £245 = 49,000 Nice work if you can get it. Outside of the Box
  • Score: 12

8:25am Tue 11 Feb 14

Outside of the Box says...

loosehead wrote:
Inform Al I thought Cameron was exaggerating about benefit fraud?
looks like you were wrong again doesn't it?
put her on the chain gang with a bucket & get her to somerset.
People will and do screw the system, however cuts in the fraud department staff of the DWP allow many cases to go undetected. 3000 dedicated fraud officers nationwide is not enough, this is why cases like this (which most people would say) is a vast amount, are not detected, the courts are governed by sentencing restrictions and they have to consider the affect the crime will have on the family, (which for me is tosh) If the Government didn't make so many cuts to staff at the DWP, more people would end up in court sooner, however that will not happen.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Inform Al I thought Cameron was exaggerating about benefit fraud? looks like you were wrong again doesn't it? put her on the chain gang with a bucket & get her to somerset.[/p][/quote]People will and do screw the system, however cuts in the fraud department staff of the DWP allow many cases to go undetected. 3000 dedicated fraud officers nationwide is not enough, this is why cases like this (which most people would say) is a vast amount, are not detected, the courts are governed by sentencing restrictions and they have to consider the affect the crime will have on the family, (which for me is tosh) If the Government didn't make so many cuts to staff at the DWP, more people would end up in court sooner, however that will not happen. Outside of the Box
  • Score: 7

8:26am Tue 11 Feb 14

gilbertratchet says...

loosehead wrote:
Inform Al I thought Cameron was exaggerating about benefit fraud?
looks like you were wrong again doesn't it?
put her on the chain gang with a bucket & get her to somerset.
One story in the paper changes everything? Oh ok.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Inform Al I thought Cameron was exaggerating about benefit fraud? looks like you were wrong again doesn't it? put her on the chain gang with a bucket & get her to somerset.[/p][/quote]One story in the paper changes everything? Oh ok. gilbertratchet
  • Score: -5

9:43am Tue 11 Feb 14

Brock_and_Roll says...

Even legitimately, she was getting £1,560 in benefits per month - I am surprised anyone bothers working. At £19k in benefits, someone working full time and paying tax and NI would have to have a salary of circa £23k (before travel costs etc) to have the same standard of living.
Even legitimately, she was getting £1,560 in benefits per month - I am surprised anyone bothers working. At £19k in benefits, someone working full time and paying tax and NI would have to have a salary of circa £23k (before travel costs etc) to have the same standard of living. Brock_and_Roll
  • Score: 10

9:55am Tue 11 Feb 14

sotonboy84 says...

£50k over 2.5 years for a single person. Some people don't even earn that in full time work so it's an insult to them.

"Sentencing, the judge, Mr Recorder Simon Foster, said: “It is a serious matter, but to your credit this took place by your doing nothing rather than doing something."

The judge needs his head checked, she did do something, she fraudulently claimed benefits and failed to tell DWP of her change in circumstances, all for her own gain so there is no credit to be given!
£50k over 2.5 years for a single person. Some people don't even earn that in full time work so it's an insult to them. "Sentencing, the judge, Mr Recorder Simon Foster, said: “It is a serious matter, but to your credit this took place by your doing nothing rather than doing something." The judge needs his head checked, she did do something, she fraudulently claimed benefits and failed to tell DWP of her change in circumstances, all for her own gain so there is no credit to be given! sotonboy84
  • Score: 17

11:00am Tue 11 Feb 14

befriendly says...

The problem with benefits is that the amount is set by a quango of people on over a 100k a year and they think its impossible to survive on less than 50K, so only giving someone 25k makes it really difficult for them and they'll go looking for work. If benefits were set at 50P an hour below minimum wage and they had to pay for things that those in work had to because they couldn't claim I think things might be a little different on the fraud scene.
The problem with benefits is that the amount is set by a quango of people on over a 100k a year and they think its impossible to survive on less than 50K, so only giving someone 25k makes it really difficult for them and they'll go looking for work. If benefits were set at 50P an hour below minimum wage and they had to pay for things that those in work had to because they couldn't claim I think things might be a little different on the fraud scene. befriendly
  • Score: 9

11:11am Tue 11 Feb 14

bigfella777 says...

200 hours community work for 50 grand, nice work if you can get it.
200 hours community work for 50 grand, nice work if you can get it. bigfella777
  • Score: 3

12:29pm Tue 11 Feb 14

DC1984 says...

Brock_and_Roll wrote:
Even legitimately, she was getting £1,560 in benefits per month - I am surprised anyone bothers working. At £19k in benefits, someone working full time and paying tax and NI would have to have a salary of circa £23k (before travel costs etc) to have the same standard of living.
Makes you feel sick don't it! Work my **** off doing 50hrs a week in nights shifts, have no social life cos of it and you get these scum living it up earning more than me!!!! The country should be run by working class people, not toffs like Cameron born with a silver spoon in his mouth!
[quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: Even legitimately, she was getting £1,560 in benefits per month - I am surprised anyone bothers working. At £19k in benefits, someone working full time and paying tax and NI would have to have a salary of circa £23k (before travel costs etc) to have the same standard of living.[/p][/quote]Makes you feel sick don't it! Work my **** off doing 50hrs a week in nights shifts, have no social life cos of it and you get these scum living it up earning more than me!!!! The country should be run by working class people, not toffs like Cameron born with a silver spoon in his mouth! DC1984
  • Score: 1

12:47pm Tue 11 Feb 14

loosehead says...

DC1984 wrote:
Brock_and_Roll wrote:
Even legitimately, she was getting £1,560 in benefits per month - I am surprised anyone bothers working. At £19k in benefits, someone working full time and paying tax and NI would have to have a salary of circa £23k (before travel costs etc) to have the same standard of living.
Makes you feel sick don't it! Work my **** off doing 50hrs a week in nights shifts, have no social life cos of it and you get these scum living it up earning more than me!!!! The country should be run by working class people, not toffs like Cameron born with a silver spoon in his mouth!
DC it wasn't Cameron who set up the welfare state it wasn't thew Tories who raised the amount paid by social security to welfare claimants.
when I was young you went to work & weren't thought much of if you didn't.
We have how many EU immigrants here working? so why have we so many unemployed?
They say there are 1million who can never work now take away the amount of EU immigrants away from the remainder of unemployed & you'll see we have more jobs than unemployed people.
some are desperate for work but won't move or just take anything others because of Labours increases to welfare payments find it to lucrative to stay at home than to go to work.
the last Labour Government promised to hit the welfare system but then backed out of doing anything.
This Lady was getting more than I do before & after I'm taxed & I'm buying my home how can people whinge about a so called bedroom tax if they're getting this amount?
As I've said the welfare systems payments aren't this governments fault & every time they try to change it & get people going to work they are attacked.
the Government never told this lady to rob us the tax payers but she did so as I've said make her work hard until every penny is paid back & right now we need help fighting the floods so get her & anyone else like her to a flood hit area & get them filling sand bags & hey Buckets to help drain peoples flooded houses?
[quote][p][bold]DC1984[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: Even legitimately, she was getting £1,560 in benefits per month - I am surprised anyone bothers working. At £19k in benefits, someone working full time and paying tax and NI would have to have a salary of circa £23k (before travel costs etc) to have the same standard of living.[/p][/quote]Makes you feel sick don't it! Work my **** off doing 50hrs a week in nights shifts, have no social life cos of it and you get these scum living it up earning more than me!!!! The country should be run by working class people, not toffs like Cameron born with a silver spoon in his mouth![/p][/quote]DC it wasn't Cameron who set up the welfare state it wasn't thew Tories who raised the amount paid by social security to welfare claimants. when I was young you went to work & weren't thought much of if you didn't. We have how many EU immigrants here working? so why have we so many unemployed? They say there are 1million who can never work now take away the amount of EU immigrants away from the remainder of unemployed & you'll see we have more jobs than unemployed people. some are desperate for work but won't move or just take anything others because of Labours increases to welfare payments find it to lucrative to stay at home than to go to work. the last Labour Government promised to hit the welfare system but then backed out of doing anything. This Lady was getting more than I do before & after I'm taxed & I'm buying my home how can people whinge about a so called bedroom tax if they're getting this amount? As I've said the welfare systems payments aren't this governments fault & every time they try to change it & get people going to work they are attacked. the Government never told this lady to rob us the tax payers but she did so as I've said make her work hard until every penny is paid back & right now we need help fighting the floods so get her & anyone else like her to a flood hit area & get them filling sand bags & hey Buckets to help drain peoples flooded houses? loosehead
  • Score: 3

1:44pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Inform Al says...

loosehead wrote:
Inform Al I thought Cameron was exaggerating about benefit fraud?
looks like you were wrong again doesn't it?
put her on the chain gang with a bucket & get her to somerset.
I have never said benefit fraud does not occur, merely the truth about it, and that is that it is a very small minority of people misusing benefits. C'moron is using them to hammer the innocent majority for the 'benefit' of his rich friends. So yet again your're wrong and I'm right. I know that due to your party sheeplike trance you will never be able to understand this, so will ignore further comments from you on this thread.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Inform Al I thought Cameron was exaggerating about benefit fraud? looks like you were wrong again doesn't it? put her on the chain gang with a bucket & get her to somerset.[/p][/quote]I have never said benefit fraud does not occur, merely the truth about it, and that is that it is a very small minority of people misusing benefits. C'moron is using them to hammer the innocent majority for the 'benefit' of his rich friends. So yet again your're wrong and I'm right. I know that due to your party sheeplike trance you will never be able to understand this, so will ignore further comments from you on this thread. Inform Al
  • Score: 1

1:45pm Tue 11 Feb 14

whatwentwrongworld says...

''the courts are governed by sentencing restrictions and they have to consider the affect the crime will have on the family, (which for me is tosh)''

oh so her young child with special needs would be happy without his mother would he??? No, he shouldn't be punished for her actions, its not tosh at all.
''the courts are governed by sentencing restrictions and they have to consider the affect the crime will have on the family, (which for me is tosh)'' oh so her young child with special needs would be happy without his mother would he??? No, he shouldn't be punished for her actions, its not tosh at all. whatwentwrongworld
  • Score: 0

2:53pm Tue 11 Feb 14

loosehead says...

whatwentwrongworld wrote:
''the courts are governed by sentencing restrictions and they have to consider the affect the crime will have on the family, (which for me is tosh)''

oh so her young child with special needs would be happy without his mother would he??? No, he shouldn't be punished for her actions, its not tosh at all.
did she think of him when she was robbing us? did she think of him whilst breaking the law?
so rob a bank, burgle someones house but hey you can't put me away I have a child?
if you break the law you know the consequences are you should go to jail so breaking the law is your choice with no consideration for anyone else
[quote][p][bold]whatwentwrongworld[/bold] wrote: ''the courts are governed by sentencing restrictions and they have to consider the affect the crime will have on the family, (which for me is tosh)'' oh so her young child with special needs would be happy without his mother would he??? No, he shouldn't be punished for her actions, its not tosh at all.[/p][/quote]did she think of him when she was robbing us? did she think of him whilst breaking the law? so rob a bank, burgle someones house but hey you can't put me away I have a child? if you break the law you know the consequences are you should go to jail so breaking the law is your choice with no consideration for anyone else loosehead
  • Score: 5

2:57pm Tue 11 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al I thought Cameron was exaggerating about benefit fraud?
looks like you were wrong again doesn't it?
put her on the chain gang with a bucket & get her to somerset.
I have never said benefit fraud does not occur, merely the truth about it, and that is that it is a very small minority of people misusing benefits. C'moron is using them to hammer the innocent majority for the 'benefit' of his rich friends. So yet again your're wrong and I'm right. I know that due to your party sheeplike trance you will never be able to understand this, so will ignore further comments from you on this thread.
you are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think it's such a small amount to matter.
nearly any normal person could tell you of someone who' on the fiddle claiming invalidity pay yet is working.
nearly everyone can tell you of cases where the people concerned have never worked & won't work these are cheating a system set up to cover people who lose their jobs & are looking for employment not making a living out of claiming so all of those are Benefit cheats or don't you agree with that?
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Inform Al I thought Cameron was exaggerating about benefit fraud? looks like you were wrong again doesn't it? put her on the chain gang with a bucket & get her to somerset.[/p][/quote]I have never said benefit fraud does not occur, merely the truth about it, and that is that it is a very small minority of people misusing benefits. C'moron is using them to hammer the innocent majority for the 'benefit' of his rich friends. So yet again your're wrong and I'm right. I know that due to your party sheeplike trance you will never be able to understand this, so will ignore further comments from you on this thread.[/p][/quote]you are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think it's such a small amount to matter. nearly any normal person could tell you of someone who' on the fiddle claiming invalidity pay yet is working. nearly everyone can tell you of cases where the people concerned have never worked & won't work these are cheating a system set up to cover people who lose their jobs & are looking for employment not making a living out of claiming so all of those are Benefit cheats or don't you agree with that? loosehead
  • Score: 2

3:04pm Tue 11 Feb 14

sotonboy84 says...

Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al I thought Cameron was exaggerating about benefit fraud?
looks like you were wrong again doesn't it?
put her on the chain gang with a bucket & get her to somerset.
I have never said benefit fraud does not occur, merely the truth about it, and that is that it is a very small minority of people misusing benefits. C'moron is using them to hammer the innocent majority for the 'benefit' of his rich friends. So yet again your're wrong and I'm right. I know that due to your party sheeplike trance you will never be able to understand this, so will ignore further comments from you on this thread.
The number of people that are guilty of benefit fraud is irrelevant (although there are a very large number of people that are caught) as there is no excuse for defrauding the hard working taxpayer for an individual's gain. Benefits are hand outs are not a birth right for anybody so they should be appreciative and grateful for the help they receive, paid for by hard working people. Benefits were originallt intended as a short term form of help to help those that found themselves on hard times and were never intended to be a replacement income and lifestyle choice.

You cannot accuse Mr Cameron of hammering or attacking benefit claimants. For far too long people have been paid more and more in handouts until you get to the crisis we're in now which is people don't want to work because they're better off living on hand outs than they are working. The country cannot afford to maintain this imbalance and this is what the government want to change so the changes to the welfare system are not a reaction to those that commit benefit fraud but a reaction to the unfair imbalance between those that work hard to support themselves and those that choose not to work.

There is no argument that you can make that supports a benefits lifestyle simply through choice why those that have ambition and self respect work hard to support themselves and their families.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Inform Al I thought Cameron was exaggerating about benefit fraud? looks like you were wrong again doesn't it? put her on the chain gang with a bucket & get her to somerset.[/p][/quote]I have never said benefit fraud does not occur, merely the truth about it, and that is that it is a very small minority of people misusing benefits. C'moron is using them to hammer the innocent majority for the 'benefit' of his rich friends. So yet again your're wrong and I'm right. I know that due to your party sheeplike trance you will never be able to understand this, so will ignore further comments from you on this thread.[/p][/quote]The number of people that are guilty of benefit fraud is irrelevant (although there are a very large number of people that are caught) as there is no excuse for defrauding the hard working taxpayer for an individual's gain. Benefits are hand outs are not a birth right for anybody so they should be appreciative and grateful for the help they receive, paid for by hard working people. Benefits were originallt intended as a short term form of help to help those that found themselves on hard times and were never intended to be a replacement income and lifestyle choice. You cannot accuse Mr Cameron of hammering or attacking benefit claimants. For far too long people have been paid more and more in handouts until you get to the crisis we're in now which is people don't want to work because they're better off living on hand outs than they are working. The country cannot afford to maintain this imbalance and this is what the government want to change so the changes to the welfare system are not a reaction to those that commit benefit fraud but a reaction to the unfair imbalance between those that work hard to support themselves and those that choose not to work. There is no argument that you can make that supports a benefits lifestyle simply through choice why those that have ambition and self respect work hard to support themselves and their families. sotonboy84
  • Score: 8

6:10pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Inform Al says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al I thought Cameron was exaggerating about benefit fraud?
looks like you were wrong again doesn't it?
put her on the chain gang with a bucket & get her to somerset.
I have never said benefit fraud does not occur, merely the truth about it, and that is that it is a very small minority of people misusing benefits. C'moron is using them to hammer the innocent majority for the 'benefit' of his rich friends. So yet again your're wrong and I'm right. I know that due to your party sheeplike trance you will never be able to understand this, so will ignore further comments from you on this thread.
The number of people that are guilty of benefit fraud is irrelevant (although there are a very large number of people that are caught) as there is no excuse for defrauding the hard working taxpayer for an individual's gain. Benefits are hand outs are not a birth right for anybody so they should be appreciative and grateful for the help they receive, paid for by hard working people. Benefits were originallt intended as a short term form of help to help those that found themselves on hard times and were never intended to be a replacement income and lifestyle choice.

You cannot accuse Mr Cameron of hammering or attacking benefit claimants. For far too long people have been paid more and more in handouts until you get to the crisis we're in now which is people don't want to work because they're better off living on hand outs than they are working. The country cannot afford to maintain this imbalance and this is what the government want to change so the changes to the welfare system are not a reaction to those that commit benefit fraud but a reaction to the unfair imbalance between those that work hard to support themselves and those that choose not to work.

There is no argument that you can make that supports a benefits lifestyle simply through choice why those that have ambition and self respect work hard to support themselves and their families.
Nobody wants a benefit by choice system, unless of course they a part of the minority that C'moromn is using as his excuse to make the poor even poorer. Most people on benefits are actually working, but thanks to C'morons rich friends not at a level that allows them to support families or housing. I am taxed as a pensioner and do not resent benefits being paid to those in genuine need from the taxes I pay. I do resent C'morons friends getting even richer at my expense though..
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Inform Al I thought Cameron was exaggerating about benefit fraud? looks like you were wrong again doesn't it? put her on the chain gang with a bucket & get her to somerset.[/p][/quote]I have never said benefit fraud does not occur, merely the truth about it, and that is that it is a very small minority of people misusing benefits. C'moron is using them to hammer the innocent majority for the 'benefit' of his rich friends. So yet again your're wrong and I'm right. I know that due to your party sheeplike trance you will never be able to understand this, so will ignore further comments from you on this thread.[/p][/quote]The number of people that are guilty of benefit fraud is irrelevant (although there are a very large number of people that are caught) as there is no excuse for defrauding the hard working taxpayer for an individual's gain. Benefits are hand outs are not a birth right for anybody so they should be appreciative and grateful for the help they receive, paid for by hard working people. Benefits were originallt intended as a short term form of help to help those that found themselves on hard times and were never intended to be a replacement income and lifestyle choice. You cannot accuse Mr Cameron of hammering or attacking benefit claimants. For far too long people have been paid more and more in handouts until you get to the crisis we're in now which is people don't want to work because they're better off living on hand outs than they are working. The country cannot afford to maintain this imbalance and this is what the government want to change so the changes to the welfare system are not a reaction to those that commit benefit fraud but a reaction to the unfair imbalance between those that work hard to support themselves and those that choose not to work. There is no argument that you can make that supports a benefits lifestyle simply through choice why those that have ambition and self respect work hard to support themselves and their families.[/p][/quote]Nobody wants a benefit by choice system, unless of course they a part of the minority that C'moromn is using as his excuse to make the poor even poorer. Most people on benefits are actually working, but thanks to C'morons rich friends not at a level that allows them to support families or housing. I am taxed as a pensioner and do not resent benefits being paid to those in genuine need from the taxes I pay. I do resent C'morons friends getting even richer at my expense though.. Inform Al
  • Score: -3

6:24pm Tue 11 Feb 14

beiroot says...

playing the "special needs" card is despicable.
playing the "special needs" card is despicable. beiroot
  • Score: 4

6:25pm Tue 11 Feb 14

beiroot says...

Playing the"special needs card" in mitigation is despicable.
Playing the"special needs card" in mitigation is despicable. beiroot
  • Score: 1

6:37pm Tue 11 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al I thought Cameron was exaggerating about benefit fraud?
looks like you were wrong again doesn't it?
put her on the chain gang with a bucket & get her to somerset.
I have never said benefit fraud does not occur, merely the truth about it, and that is that it is a very small minority of people misusing benefits. C'moron is using them to hammer the innocent majority for the 'benefit' of his rich friends. So yet again your're wrong and I'm right. I know that due to your party sheeplike trance you will never be able to understand this, so will ignore further comments from you on this thread.
The number of people that are guilty of benefit fraud is irrelevant (although there are a very large number of people that are caught) as there is no excuse for defrauding the hard working taxpayer for an individual's gain. Benefits are hand outs are not a birth right for anybody so they should be appreciative and grateful for the help they receive, paid for by hard working people. Benefits were originallt intended as a short term form of help to help those that found themselves on hard times and were never intended to be a replacement income and lifestyle choice.

You cannot accuse Mr Cameron of hammering or attacking benefit claimants. For far too long people have been paid more and more in handouts until you get to the crisis we're in now which is people don't want to work because they're better off living on hand outs than they are working. The country cannot afford to maintain this imbalance and this is what the government want to change so the changes to the welfare system are not a reaction to those that commit benefit fraud but a reaction to the unfair imbalance between those that work hard to support themselves and those that choose not to work.

There is no argument that you can make that supports a benefits lifestyle simply through choice why those that have ambition and self respect work hard to support themselves and their families.
Nobody wants a benefit by choice system, unless of course they a part of the minority that C'moromn is using as his excuse to make the poor even poorer. Most people on benefits are actually working, but thanks to C'morons rich friends not at a level that allows them to support families or housing. I am taxed as a pensioner and do not resent benefits being paid to those in genuine need from the taxes I pay. I do resent C'morons friends getting even richer at my expense though..
try walking around the estates maybe offer some of the unemployed jobs ten moths a year with free accommodation & earning £100+a day see how many are willing to take the jobs then tell them it's fruit picking on fruit farms & then see how many want he job.
A TV program & numerous fruit farmers have tried & the answer is NO I get more on Social & I don't need to work so again & again your so wrong.
Labour has plans to force people to work or no benefits to the point they're going to make them go to college to learn to read & write & add up.
So your saying it's not the unemployeds fault & they would work?
So explain to me UKIP man why are there so many Eastern & now Europeans coming here & finding work straight away?
Why are people like this woman finding it okay to rob anyone who pays tax?
Let's get it straight any pensioner who saved to have a good retirement pays taxes & this LADY has just robbed them.all welfare claimants who work on the side are robbing them all claimants of invalidity pay who are physically okay are robbing all tax payers.
All claimants who could work but don't want to work are robbing us & they're making genuine claimants those looking for work or who can't through no fault of there own work look bad as no matter if it's right or wrong they all get tarred with the same brush yet you come out with this rubbish?
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Inform Al I thought Cameron was exaggerating about benefit fraud? looks like you were wrong again doesn't it? put her on the chain gang with a bucket & get her to somerset.[/p][/quote]I have never said benefit fraud does not occur, merely the truth about it, and that is that it is a very small minority of people misusing benefits. C'moron is using them to hammer the innocent majority for the 'benefit' of his rich friends. So yet again your're wrong and I'm right. I know that due to your party sheeplike trance you will never be able to understand this, so will ignore further comments from you on this thread.[/p][/quote]The number of people that are guilty of benefit fraud is irrelevant (although there are a very large number of people that are caught) as there is no excuse for defrauding the hard working taxpayer for an individual's gain. Benefits are hand outs are not a birth right for anybody so they should be appreciative and grateful for the help they receive, paid for by hard working people. Benefits were originallt intended as a short term form of help to help those that found themselves on hard times and were never intended to be a replacement income and lifestyle choice. You cannot accuse Mr Cameron of hammering or attacking benefit claimants. For far too long people have been paid more and more in handouts until you get to the crisis we're in now which is people don't want to work because they're better off living on hand outs than they are working. The country cannot afford to maintain this imbalance and this is what the government want to change so the changes to the welfare system are not a reaction to those that commit benefit fraud but a reaction to the unfair imbalance between those that work hard to support themselves and those that choose not to work. There is no argument that you can make that supports a benefits lifestyle simply through choice why those that have ambition and self respect work hard to support themselves and their families.[/p][/quote]Nobody wants a benefit by choice system, unless of course they a part of the minority that C'moromn is using as his excuse to make the poor even poorer. Most people on benefits are actually working, but thanks to C'morons rich friends not at a level that allows them to support families or housing. I am taxed as a pensioner and do not resent benefits being paid to those in genuine need from the taxes I pay. I do resent C'morons friends getting even richer at my expense though..[/p][/quote]try walking around the estates maybe offer some of the unemployed jobs ten moths a year with free accommodation & earning £100+a day see how many are willing to take the jobs then tell them it's fruit picking on fruit farms & then see how many want he job. A TV program & numerous fruit farmers have tried & the answer is NO I get more on Social & I don't need to work so again & again your so wrong. Labour has plans to force people to work or no benefits to the point they're going to make them go to college to learn to read & write & add up. So your saying it's not the unemployeds fault & they would work? So explain to me UKIP man why are there so many Eastern & now Europeans coming here & finding work straight away? Why are people like this woman finding it okay to rob anyone who pays tax? Let's get it straight any pensioner who saved to have a good retirement pays taxes & this LADY has just robbed them.all welfare claimants who work on the side are robbing them all claimants of invalidity pay who are physically okay are robbing all tax payers. All claimants who could work but don't want to work are robbing us & they're making genuine claimants those looking for work or who can't through no fault of there own work look bad as no matter if it's right or wrong they all get tarred with the same brush yet you come out with this rubbish? loosehead
  • Score: 2

10:02am Wed 12 Feb 14

Inform Al says...

loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al I thought Cameron was exaggerating about benefit fraud?
looks like you were wrong again doesn't it?
put her on the chain gang with a bucket & get her to somerset.
I have never said benefit fraud does not occur, merely the truth about it, and that is that it is a very small minority of people misusing benefits. C'moron is using them to hammer the innocent majority for the 'benefit' of his rich friends. So yet again your're wrong and I'm right. I know that due to your party sheeplike trance you will never be able to understand this, so will ignore further comments from you on this thread.
The number of people that are guilty of benefit fraud is irrelevant (although there are a very large number of people that are caught) as there is no excuse for defrauding the hard working taxpayer for an individual's gain. Benefits are hand outs are not a birth right for anybody so they should be appreciative and grateful for the help they receive, paid for by hard working people. Benefits were originallt intended as a short term form of help to help those that found themselves on hard times and were never intended to be a replacement income and lifestyle choice.

You cannot accuse Mr Cameron of hammering or attacking benefit claimants. For far too long people have been paid more and more in handouts until you get to the crisis we're in now which is people don't want to work because they're better off living on hand outs than they are working. The country cannot afford to maintain this imbalance and this is what the government want to change so the changes to the welfare system are not a reaction to those that commit benefit fraud but a reaction to the unfair imbalance between those that work hard to support themselves and those that choose not to work.

There is no argument that you can make that supports a benefits lifestyle simply through choice why those that have ambition and self respect work hard to support themselves and their families.
Nobody wants a benefit by choice system, unless of course they a part of the minority that C'moromn is using as his excuse to make the poor even poorer. Most people on benefits are actually working, but thanks to C'morons rich friends not at a level that allows them to support families or housing. I am taxed as a pensioner and do not resent benefits being paid to those in genuine need from the taxes I pay. I do resent C'morons friends getting even richer at my expense though..
try walking around the estates maybe offer some of the unemployed jobs ten moths a year with free accommodation & earning £100+a day see how many are willing to take the jobs then tell them it's fruit picking on fruit farms & then see how many want he job.
A TV program & numerous fruit farmers have tried & the answer is NO I get more on Social & I don't need to work so again & again your so wrong.
Labour has plans to force people to work or no benefits to the point they're going to make them go to college to learn to read & write & add up.
So your saying it's not the unemployeds fault & they would work?
So explain to me UKIP man why are there so many Eastern & now Europeans coming here & finding work straight away?
Why are people like this woman finding it okay to rob anyone who pays tax?
Let's get it straight any pensioner who saved to have a good retirement pays taxes & this LADY has just robbed them.all welfare claimants who work on the side are robbing them all claimants of invalidity pay who are physically okay are robbing all tax payers.
All claimants who could work but don't want to work are robbing us & they're making genuine claimants those looking for work or who can't through no fault of there own work look bad as no matter if it's right or wrong they all get tarred with the same brush yet you come out with this rubbish?
I do walk around the estates, especially one of the most deprived in the UK, the Flower Roads. I spend a lot of time helping some there to get jobs, some of them with no computers or computing skills do it on my spare PC with my help. REALITY is that there are many more out of work than there are jobs available, but I also help somr that are in work with their benefit claims due to the low pay of some of the jobs that C'moron crows about. REALITY AGAIN, there are about 40% council homes on the estate and the vast majority of those council tenants of working age are in work. Unfortunately the majority of those claiming benefits on the esate are also in work. When C'moron crows about the improvement in the UKs finances he is refering to his rich buddies, not us the working classes. I suggest you get out and offer help to those trying to improve their lot, might help you to see througfh the Tory's lies.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Inform Al I thought Cameron was exaggerating about benefit fraud? looks like you were wrong again doesn't it? put her on the chain gang with a bucket & get her to somerset.[/p][/quote]I have never said benefit fraud does not occur, merely the truth about it, and that is that it is a very small minority of people misusing benefits. C'moron is using them to hammer the innocent majority for the 'benefit' of his rich friends. So yet again your're wrong and I'm right. I know that due to your party sheeplike trance you will never be able to understand this, so will ignore further comments from you on this thread.[/p][/quote]The number of people that are guilty of benefit fraud is irrelevant (although there are a very large number of people that are caught) as there is no excuse for defrauding the hard working taxpayer for an individual's gain. Benefits are hand outs are not a birth right for anybody so they should be appreciative and grateful for the help they receive, paid for by hard working people. Benefits were originallt intended as a short term form of help to help those that found themselves on hard times and were never intended to be a replacement income and lifestyle choice. You cannot accuse Mr Cameron of hammering or attacking benefit claimants. For far too long people have been paid more and more in handouts until you get to the crisis we're in now which is people don't want to work because they're better off living on hand outs than they are working. The country cannot afford to maintain this imbalance and this is what the government want to change so the changes to the welfare system are not a reaction to those that commit benefit fraud but a reaction to the unfair imbalance between those that work hard to support themselves and those that choose not to work. There is no argument that you can make that supports a benefits lifestyle simply through choice why those that have ambition and self respect work hard to support themselves and their families.[/p][/quote]Nobody wants a benefit by choice system, unless of course they a part of the minority that C'moromn is using as his excuse to make the poor even poorer. Most people on benefits are actually working, but thanks to C'morons rich friends not at a level that allows them to support families or housing. I am taxed as a pensioner and do not resent benefits being paid to those in genuine need from the taxes I pay. I do resent C'morons friends getting even richer at my expense though..[/p][/quote]try walking around the estates maybe offer some of the unemployed jobs ten moths a year with free accommodation & earning £100+a day see how many are willing to take the jobs then tell them it's fruit picking on fruit farms & then see how many want he job. A TV program & numerous fruit farmers have tried & the answer is NO I get more on Social & I don't need to work so again & again your so wrong. Labour has plans to force people to work or no benefits to the point they're going to make them go to college to learn to read & write & add up. So your saying it's not the unemployeds fault & they would work? So explain to me UKIP man why are there so many Eastern & now Europeans coming here & finding work straight away? Why are people like this woman finding it okay to rob anyone who pays tax? Let's get it straight any pensioner who saved to have a good retirement pays taxes & this LADY has just robbed them.all welfare claimants who work on the side are robbing them all claimants of invalidity pay who are physically okay are robbing all tax payers. All claimants who could work but don't want to work are robbing us & they're making genuine claimants those looking for work or who can't through no fault of there own work look bad as no matter if it's right or wrong they all get tarred with the same brush yet you come out with this rubbish?[/p][/quote]I do walk around the estates, especially one of the most deprived in the UK, the Flower Roads. I spend a lot of time helping some there to get jobs, some of them with no computers or computing skills do it on my spare PC with my help. REALITY is that there are many more out of work than there are jobs available, but I also help somr that are in work with their benefit claims due to the low pay of some of the jobs that C'moron crows about. REALITY AGAIN, there are about 40% council homes on the estate and the vast majority of those council tenants of working age are in work. Unfortunately the majority of those claiming benefits on the esate are also in work. When C'moron crows about the improvement in the UKs finances he is refering to his rich buddies, not us the working classes. I suggest you get out and offer help to those trying to improve their lot, might help you to see througfh the Tory's lies. Inform Al
  • Score: 1

3:33pm Wed 12 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al I thought Cameron was exaggerating about benefit fraud?
looks like you were wrong again doesn't it?
put her on the chain gang with a bucket & get her to somerset.
I have never said benefit fraud does not occur, merely the truth about it, and that is that it is a very small minority of people misusing benefits. C'moron is using them to hammer the innocent majority for the 'benefit' of his rich friends. So yet again your're wrong and I'm right. I know that due to your party sheeplike trance you will never be able to understand this, so will ignore further comments from you on this thread.
The number of people that are guilty of benefit fraud is irrelevant (although there are a very large number of people that are caught) as there is no excuse for defrauding the hard working taxpayer for an individual's gain. Benefits are hand outs are not a birth right for anybody so they should be appreciative and grateful for the help they receive, paid for by hard working people. Benefits were originallt intended as a short term form of help to help those that found themselves on hard times and were never intended to be a replacement income and lifestyle choice.

You cannot accuse Mr Cameron of hammering or attacking benefit claimants. For far too long people have been paid more and more in handouts until you get to the crisis we're in now which is people don't want to work because they're better off living on hand outs than they are working. The country cannot afford to maintain this imbalance and this is what the government want to change so the changes to the welfare system are not a reaction to those that commit benefit fraud but a reaction to the unfair imbalance between those that work hard to support themselves and those that choose not to work.

There is no argument that you can make that supports a benefits lifestyle simply through choice why those that have ambition and self respect work hard to support themselves and their families.
Nobody wants a benefit by choice system, unless of course they a part of the minority that C'moromn is using as his excuse to make the poor even poorer. Most people on benefits are actually working, but thanks to C'morons rich friends not at a level that allows them to support families or housing. I am taxed as a pensioner and do not resent benefits being paid to those in genuine need from the taxes I pay. I do resent C'morons friends getting even richer at my expense though..
try walking around the estates maybe offer some of the unemployed jobs ten moths a year with free accommodation & earning £100+a day see how many are willing to take the jobs then tell them it's fruit picking on fruit farms & then see how many want he job.
A TV program & numerous fruit farmers have tried & the answer is NO I get more on Social & I don't need to work so again & again your so wrong.
Labour has plans to force people to work or no benefits to the point they're going to make them go to college to learn to read & write & add up.
So your saying it's not the unemployeds fault & they would work?
So explain to me UKIP man why are there so many Eastern & now Europeans coming here & finding work straight away?
Why are people like this woman finding it okay to rob anyone who pays tax?
Let's get it straight any pensioner who saved to have a good retirement pays taxes & this LADY has just robbed them.all welfare claimants who work on the side are robbing them all claimants of invalidity pay who are physically okay are robbing all tax payers.
All claimants who could work but don't want to work are robbing us & they're making genuine claimants those looking for work or who can't through no fault of there own work look bad as no matter if it's right or wrong they all get tarred with the same brush yet you come out with this rubbish?
I do walk around the estates, especially one of the most deprived in the UK, the Flower Roads. I spend a lot of time helping some there to get jobs, some of them with no computers or computing skills do it on my spare PC with my help. REALITY is that there are many more out of work than there are jobs available, but I also help somr that are in work with their benefit claims due to the low pay of some of the jobs that C'moron crows about. REALITY AGAIN, there are about 40% council homes on the estate and the vast majority of those council tenants of working age are in work. Unfortunately the majority of those claiming benefits on the esate are also in work. When C'moron crows about the improvement in the UKs finances he is refering to his rich buddies, not us the working classes. I suggest you get out and offer help to those trying to improve their lot, might help you to see througfh the Tory's lies.
I did a postal round in that area around near Cantell school.
I saw Polish houses with grills on them yet still the glass had holes where something had been fired/ thrown at them.
I've seen the shirts they wear out (English football) in an effort to blend in.
You & many others who bang on about the unemployment levels then attack(verbally) these people for taking British jobs yet would any of these people of he Flower Gardens estate do the jobs they do?
I get really annoyed with posters that say "they work harder than British Workers" As that's a load of rubbish what they should say is they'll do the job where as locals won't do the jobs,
So are you saying that all EU immigrants/illegals & refugee's were packed off out of this country there still wouldn't be enough work for the locals?
in all there are about 3million people from overseas working here how many unemployed are there?
the Echo has at least 2,500 jobs advertised & I know not all would be employers advertise in this paper so you could nearly double those figures so why aren't these jobs being snapped up?
As for the Flower Gardens really? I'd say parts of Millbrook were far worse than Swaythling is.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Inform Al I thought Cameron was exaggerating about benefit fraud? looks like you were wrong again doesn't it? put her on the chain gang with a bucket & get her to somerset.[/p][/quote]I have never said benefit fraud does not occur, merely the truth about it, and that is that it is a very small minority of people misusing benefits. C'moron is using them to hammer the innocent majority for the 'benefit' of his rich friends. So yet again your're wrong and I'm right. I know that due to your party sheeplike trance you will never be able to understand this, so will ignore further comments from you on this thread.[/p][/quote]The number of people that are guilty of benefit fraud is irrelevant (although there are a very large number of people that are caught) as there is no excuse for defrauding the hard working taxpayer for an individual's gain. Benefits are hand outs are not a birth right for anybody so they should be appreciative and grateful for the help they receive, paid for by hard working people. Benefits were originallt intended as a short term form of help to help those that found themselves on hard times and were never intended to be a replacement income and lifestyle choice. You cannot accuse Mr Cameron of hammering or attacking benefit claimants. For far too long people have been paid more and more in handouts until you get to the crisis we're in now which is people don't want to work because they're better off living on hand outs than they are working. The country cannot afford to maintain this imbalance and this is what the government want to change so the changes to the welfare system are not a reaction to those that commit benefit fraud but a reaction to the unfair imbalance between those that work hard to support themselves and those that choose not to work. There is no argument that you can make that supports a benefits lifestyle simply through choice why those that have ambition and self respect work hard to support themselves and their families.[/p][/quote]Nobody wants a benefit by choice system, unless of course they a part of the minority that C'moromn is using as his excuse to make the poor even poorer. Most people on benefits are actually working, but thanks to C'morons rich friends not at a level that allows them to support families or housing. I am taxed as a pensioner and do not resent benefits being paid to those in genuine need from the taxes I pay. I do resent C'morons friends getting even richer at my expense though..[/p][/quote]try walking around the estates maybe offer some of the unemployed jobs ten moths a year with free accommodation & earning £100+a day see how many are willing to take the jobs then tell them it's fruit picking on fruit farms & then see how many want he job. A TV program & numerous fruit farmers have tried & the answer is NO I get more on Social & I don't need to work so again & again your so wrong. Labour has plans to force people to work or no benefits to the point they're going to make them go to college to learn to read & write & add up. So your saying it's not the unemployeds fault & they would work? So explain to me UKIP man why are there so many Eastern & now Europeans coming here & finding work straight away? Why are people like this woman finding it okay to rob anyone who pays tax? Let's get it straight any pensioner who saved to have a good retirement pays taxes & this LADY has just robbed them.all welfare claimants who work on the side are robbing them all claimants of invalidity pay who are physically okay are robbing all tax payers. All claimants who could work but don't want to work are robbing us & they're making genuine claimants those looking for work or who can't through no fault of there own work look bad as no matter if it's right or wrong they all get tarred with the same brush yet you come out with this rubbish?[/p][/quote]I do walk around the estates, especially one of the most deprived in the UK, the Flower Roads. I spend a lot of time helping some there to get jobs, some of them with no computers or computing skills do it on my spare PC with my help. REALITY is that there are many more out of work than there are jobs available, but I also help somr that are in work with their benefit claims due to the low pay of some of the jobs that C'moron crows about. REALITY AGAIN, there are about 40% council homes on the estate and the vast majority of those council tenants of working age are in work. Unfortunately the majority of those claiming benefits on the esate are also in work. When C'moron crows about the improvement in the UKs finances he is refering to his rich buddies, not us the working classes. I suggest you get out and offer help to those trying to improve their lot, might help you to see througfh the Tory's lies.[/p][/quote]I did a postal round in that area around near Cantell school. I saw Polish houses with grills on them yet still the glass had holes where something had been fired/ thrown at them. I've seen the shirts they wear out (English football) in an effort to blend in. You & many others who bang on about the unemployment levels then attack(verbally) these people for taking British jobs yet would any of these people of he Flower Gardens estate do the jobs they do? I get really annoyed with posters that say "they work harder than British Workers" As that's a load of rubbish what they should say is they'll do the job where as locals won't do the jobs, So are you saying that all EU immigrants/illegals & refugee's were packed off out of this country there still wouldn't be enough work for the locals? in all there are about 3million people from overseas working here how many unemployed are there? the Echo has at least 2,500 jobs advertised & I know not all would be employers advertise in this paper so you could nearly double those figures so why aren't these jobs being snapped up? As for the Flower Gardens really? I'd say parts of Millbrook were far worse than Swaythling is. loosehead
  • Score: 0

10:59pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Inform Al says...

loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al I thought Cameron was exaggerating about benefit fraud?
looks like you were wrong again doesn't it?
put her on the chain gang with a bucket & get her to somerset.
I have never said benefit fraud does not occur, merely the truth about it, and that is that it is a very small minority of people misusing benefits. C'moron is using them to hammer the innocent majority for the 'benefit' of his rich friends. So yet again your're wrong and I'm right. I know that due to your party sheeplike trance you will never be able to understand this, so will ignore further comments from you on this thread.
The number of people that are guilty of benefit fraud is irrelevant (although there are a very large number of people that are caught) as there is no excuse for defrauding the hard working taxpayer for an individual's gain. Benefits are hand outs are not a birth right for anybody so they should be appreciative and grateful for the help they receive, paid for by hard working people. Benefits were originallt intended as a short term form of help to help those that found themselves on hard times and were never intended to be a replacement income and lifestyle choice.

You cannot accuse Mr Cameron of hammering or attacking benefit claimants. For far too long people have been paid more and more in handouts until you get to the crisis we're in now which is people don't want to work because they're better off living on hand outs than they are working. The country cannot afford to maintain this imbalance and this is what the government want to change so the changes to the welfare system are not a reaction to those that commit benefit fraud but a reaction to the unfair imbalance between those that work hard to support themselves and those that choose not to work.

There is no argument that you can make that supports a benefits lifestyle simply through choice why those that have ambition and self respect work hard to support themselves and their families.
Nobody wants a benefit by choice system, unless of course they a part of the minority that C'moromn is using as his excuse to make the poor even poorer. Most people on benefits are actually working, but thanks to C'morons rich friends not at a level that allows them to support families or housing. I am taxed as a pensioner and do not resent benefits being paid to those in genuine need from the taxes I pay. I do resent C'morons friends getting even richer at my expense though..
try walking around the estates maybe offer some of the unemployed jobs ten moths a year with free accommodation & earning £100+a day see how many are willing to take the jobs then tell them it's fruit picking on fruit farms & then see how many want he job.
A TV program & numerous fruit farmers have tried & the answer is NO I get more on Social & I don't need to work so again & again your so wrong.
Labour has plans to force people to work or no benefits to the point they're going to make them go to college to learn to read & write & add up.
So your saying it's not the unemployeds fault & they would work?
So explain to me UKIP man why are there so many Eastern & now Europeans coming here & finding work straight away?
Why are people like this woman finding it okay to rob anyone who pays tax?
Let's get it straight any pensioner who saved to have a good retirement pays taxes & this LADY has just robbed them.all welfare claimants who work on the side are robbing them all claimants of invalidity pay who are physically okay are robbing all tax payers.
All claimants who could work but don't want to work are robbing us & they're making genuine claimants those looking for work or who can't through no fault of there own work look bad as no matter if it's right or wrong they all get tarred with the same brush yet you come out with this rubbish?
I do walk around the estates, especially one of the most deprived in the UK, the Flower Roads. I spend a lot of time helping some there to get jobs, some of them with no computers or computing skills do it on my spare PC with my help. REALITY is that there are many more out of work than there are jobs available, but I also help somr that are in work with their benefit claims due to the low pay of some of the jobs that C'moron crows about. REALITY AGAIN, there are about 40% council homes on the estate and the vast majority of those council tenants of working age are in work. Unfortunately the majority of those claiming benefits on the esate are also in work. When C'moron crows about the improvement in the UKs finances he is refering to his rich buddies, not us the working classes. I suggest you get out and offer help to those trying to improve their lot, might help you to see througfh the Tory's lies.
I did a postal round in that area around near Cantell school.
I saw Polish houses with grills on them yet still the glass had holes where something had been fired/ thrown at them.
I've seen the shirts they wear out (English football) in an effort to blend in.
You & many others who bang on about the unemployment levels then attack(verbally) these people for taking British jobs yet would any of these people of he Flower Gardens estate do the jobs they do?
I get really annoyed with posters that say "they work harder than British Workers" As that's a load of rubbish what they should say is they'll do the job where as locals won't do the jobs,
So are you saying that all EU immigrants/illegals & refugee's were packed off out of this country there still wouldn't be enough work for the locals?
in all there are about 3million people from overseas working here how many unemployed are there?
the Echo has at least 2,500 jobs advertised & I know not all would be employers advertise in this paper so you could nearly double those figures so why aren't these jobs being snapped up?
As for the Flower Gardens really? I'd say parts of Millbrook were far worse than Swaythling is.
Which is why Tory Baroness Truelove's department recognised the Flower Roads Estate as one of the 7 most deprived areas in the UK, and tried unsuccesfully to persuade the government to address the situation. Yes there may be about three million people from overseas working here which is why the jobs are not there for young family people that need to provide for children, unlike the invaders that have stolen their chances of work. Instead of swallowing C'moron's propaganda just try opening your own eyes.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Inform Al I thought Cameron was exaggerating about benefit fraud? looks like you were wrong again doesn't it? put her on the chain gang with a bucket & get her to somerset.[/p][/quote]I have never said benefit fraud does not occur, merely the truth about it, and that is that it is a very small minority of people misusing benefits. C'moron is using them to hammer the innocent majority for the 'benefit' of his rich friends. So yet again your're wrong and I'm right. I know that due to your party sheeplike trance you will never be able to understand this, so will ignore further comments from you on this thread.[/p][/quote]The number of people that are guilty of benefit fraud is irrelevant (although there are a very large number of people that are caught) as there is no excuse for defrauding the hard working taxpayer for an individual's gain. Benefits are hand outs are not a birth right for anybody so they should be appreciative and grateful for the help they receive, paid for by hard working people. Benefits were originallt intended as a short term form of help to help those that found themselves on hard times and were never intended to be a replacement income and lifestyle choice. You cannot accuse Mr Cameron of hammering or attacking benefit claimants. For far too long people have been paid more and more in handouts until you get to the crisis we're in now which is people don't want to work because they're better off living on hand outs than they are working. The country cannot afford to maintain this imbalance and this is what the government want to change so the changes to the welfare system are not a reaction to those that commit benefit fraud but a reaction to the unfair imbalance between those that work hard to support themselves and those that choose not to work. There is no argument that you can make that supports a benefits lifestyle simply through choice why those that have ambition and self respect work hard to support themselves and their families.[/p][/quote]Nobody wants a benefit by choice system, unless of course they a part of the minority that C'moromn is using as his excuse to make the poor even poorer. Most people on benefits are actually working, but thanks to C'morons rich friends not at a level that allows them to support families or housing. I am taxed as a pensioner and do not resent benefits being paid to those in genuine need from the taxes I pay. I do resent C'morons friends getting even richer at my expense though..[/p][/quote]try walking around the estates maybe offer some of the unemployed jobs ten moths a year with free accommodation & earning £100+a day see how many are willing to take the jobs then tell them it's fruit picking on fruit farms & then see how many want he job. A TV program & numerous fruit farmers have tried & the answer is NO I get more on Social & I don't need to work so again & again your so wrong. Labour has plans to force people to work or no benefits to the point they're going to make them go to college to learn to read & write & add up. So your saying it's not the unemployeds fault & they would work? So explain to me UKIP man why are there so many Eastern & now Europeans coming here & finding work straight away? Why are people like this woman finding it okay to rob anyone who pays tax? Let's get it straight any pensioner who saved to have a good retirement pays taxes & this LADY has just robbed them.all welfare claimants who work on the side are robbing them all claimants of invalidity pay who are physically okay are robbing all tax payers. All claimants who could work but don't want to work are robbing us & they're making genuine claimants those looking for work or who can't through no fault of there own work look bad as no matter if it's right or wrong they all get tarred with the same brush yet you come out with this rubbish?[/p][/quote]I do walk around the estates, especially one of the most deprived in the UK, the Flower Roads. I spend a lot of time helping some there to get jobs, some of them with no computers or computing skills do it on my spare PC with my help. REALITY is that there are many more out of work than there are jobs available, but I also help somr that are in work with their benefit claims due to the low pay of some of the jobs that C'moron crows about. REALITY AGAIN, there are about 40% council homes on the estate and the vast majority of those council tenants of working age are in work. Unfortunately the majority of those claiming benefits on the esate are also in work. When C'moron crows about the improvement in the UKs finances he is refering to his rich buddies, not us the working classes. I suggest you get out and offer help to those trying to improve their lot, might help you to see througfh the Tory's lies.[/p][/quote]I did a postal round in that area around near Cantell school. I saw Polish houses with grills on them yet still the glass had holes where something had been fired/ thrown at them. I've seen the shirts they wear out (English football) in an effort to blend in. You & many others who bang on about the unemployment levels then attack(verbally) these people for taking British jobs yet would any of these people of he Flower Gardens estate do the jobs they do? I get really annoyed with posters that say "they work harder than British Workers" As that's a load of rubbish what they should say is they'll do the job where as locals won't do the jobs, So are you saying that all EU immigrants/illegals & refugee's were packed off out of this country there still wouldn't be enough work for the locals? in all there are about 3million people from overseas working here how many unemployed are there? the Echo has at least 2,500 jobs advertised & I know not all would be employers advertise in this paper so you could nearly double those figures so why aren't these jobs being snapped up? As for the Flower Gardens really? I'd say parts of Millbrook were far worse than Swaythling is.[/p][/quote]Which is why Tory Baroness Truelove's department recognised the Flower Roads Estate as one of the 7 most deprived areas in the UK, and tried unsuccesfully to persuade the government to address the situation. Yes there may be about three million people from overseas working here which is why the jobs are not there for young family people that need to provide for children, unlike the invaders that have stolen their chances of work. Instead of swallowing C'moron's propaganda just try opening your own eyes. Inform Al
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8:22am Thu 13 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al I thought Cameron was exaggerating about benefit fraud?
looks like you were wrong again doesn't it?
put her on the chain gang with a bucket & get her to somerset.
I have never said benefit fraud does not occur, merely the truth about it, and that is that it is a very small minority of people misusing benefits. C'moron is using them to hammer the innocent majority for the 'benefit' of his rich friends. So yet again your're wrong and I'm right. I know that due to your party sheeplike trance you will never be able to understand this, so will ignore further comments from you on this thread.
The number of people that are guilty of benefit fraud is irrelevant (although there are a very large number of people that are caught) as there is no excuse for defrauding the hard working taxpayer for an individual's gain. Benefits are hand outs are not a birth right for anybody so they should be appreciative and grateful for the help they receive, paid for by hard working people. Benefits were originallt intended as a short term form of help to help those that found themselves on hard times and were never intended to be a replacement income and lifestyle choice.

You cannot accuse Mr Cameron of hammering or attacking benefit claimants. For far too long people have been paid more and more in handouts until you get to the crisis we're in now which is people don't want to work because they're better off living on hand outs than they are working. The country cannot afford to maintain this imbalance and this is what the government want to change so the changes to the welfare system are not a reaction to those that commit benefit fraud but a reaction to the unfair imbalance between those that work hard to support themselves and those that choose not to work.

There is no argument that you can make that supports a benefits lifestyle simply through choice why those that have ambition and self respect work hard to support themselves and their families.
Nobody wants a benefit by choice system, unless of course they a part of the minority that C'moromn is using as his excuse to make the poor even poorer. Most people on benefits are actually working, but thanks to C'morons rich friends not at a level that allows them to support families or housing. I am taxed as a pensioner and do not resent benefits being paid to those in genuine need from the taxes I pay. I do resent C'morons friends getting even richer at my expense though..
try walking around the estates maybe offer some of the unemployed jobs ten moths a year with free accommodation & earning £100+a day see how many are willing to take the jobs then tell them it's fruit picking on fruit farms & then see how many want he job.
A TV program & numerous fruit farmers have tried & the answer is NO I get more on Social & I don't need to work so again & again your so wrong.
Labour has plans to force people to work or no benefits to the point they're going to make them go to college to learn to read & write & add up.
So your saying it's not the unemployeds fault & they would work?
So explain to me UKIP man why are there so many Eastern & now Europeans coming here & finding work straight away?
Why are people like this woman finding it okay to rob anyone who pays tax?
Let's get it straight any pensioner who saved to have a good retirement pays taxes & this LADY has just robbed them.all welfare claimants who work on the side are robbing them all claimants of invalidity pay who are physically okay are robbing all tax payers.
All claimants who could work but don't want to work are robbing us & they're making genuine claimants those looking for work or who can't through no fault of there own work look bad as no matter if it's right or wrong they all get tarred with the same brush yet you come out with this rubbish?
I do walk around the estates, especially one of the most deprived in the UK, the Flower Roads. I spend a lot of time helping some there to get jobs, some of them with no computers or computing skills do it on my spare PC with my help. REALITY is that there are many more out of work than there are jobs available, but I also help somr that are in work with their benefit claims due to the low pay of some of the jobs that C'moron crows about. REALITY AGAIN, there are about 40% council homes on the estate and the vast majority of those council tenants of working age are in work. Unfortunately the majority of those claiming benefits on the esate are also in work. When C'moron crows about the improvement in the UKs finances he is refering to his rich buddies, not us the working classes. I suggest you get out and offer help to those trying to improve their lot, might help you to see througfh the Tory's lies.
I did a postal round in that area around near Cantell school.
I saw Polish houses with grills on them yet still the glass had holes where something had been fired/ thrown at them.
I've seen the shirts they wear out (English football) in an effort to blend in.
You & many others who bang on about the unemployment levels then attack(verbally) these people for taking British jobs yet would any of these people of he Flower Gardens estate do the jobs they do?
I get really annoyed with posters that say "they work harder than British Workers" As that's a load of rubbish what they should say is they'll do the job where as locals won't do the jobs,
So are you saying that all EU immigrants/illegals & refugee's were packed off out of this country there still wouldn't be enough work for the locals?
in all there are about 3million people from overseas working here how many unemployed are there?
the Echo has at least 2,500 jobs advertised & I know not all would be employers advertise in this paper so you could nearly double those figures so why aren't these jobs being snapped up?
As for the Flower Gardens really? I'd say parts of Millbrook were far worse than Swaythling is.
Which is why Tory Baroness Truelove's department recognised the Flower Roads Estate as one of the 7 most deprived areas in the UK, and tried unsuccesfully to persuade the government to address the situation. Yes there may be about three million people from overseas working here which is why the jobs are not there for young family people that need to provide for children, unlike the invaders that have stolen their chances of work. Instead of swallowing C'moron's propaganda just try opening your own eyes.
go & take a look at the houses in the so called deprived area then look at the flats & houses in Millbrook estate!
if the locals can't be bothered to work that's their problem but your slagging off your own area to make a political point.
I feel sorry for the friends I have in that estate & those who through working hard & taking pride in their houses are being rubbished by you as anyone reading your posts will think "I don't want to buy there ,it sounds an awful place to live" yet it's not it's just people like you.
why do you think some residents now put down BASSET instead of Swaythling & definitely don't put down Flower Gardens?
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Inform Al I thought Cameron was exaggerating about benefit fraud? looks like you were wrong again doesn't it? put her on the chain gang with a bucket & get her to somerset.[/p][/quote]I have never said benefit fraud does not occur, merely the truth about it, and that is that it is a very small minority of people misusing benefits. C'moron is using them to hammer the innocent majority for the 'benefit' of his rich friends. So yet again your're wrong and I'm right. I know that due to your party sheeplike trance you will never be able to understand this, so will ignore further comments from you on this thread.[/p][/quote]The number of people that are guilty of benefit fraud is irrelevant (although there are a very large number of people that are caught) as there is no excuse for defrauding the hard working taxpayer for an individual's gain. Benefits are hand outs are not a birth right for anybody so they should be appreciative and grateful for the help they receive, paid for by hard working people. Benefits were originallt intended as a short term form of help to help those that found themselves on hard times and were never intended to be a replacement income and lifestyle choice. You cannot accuse Mr Cameron of hammering or attacking benefit claimants. For far too long people have been paid more and more in handouts until you get to the crisis we're in now which is people don't want to work because they're better off living on hand outs than they are working. The country cannot afford to maintain this imbalance and this is what the government want to change so the changes to the welfare system are not a reaction to those that commit benefit fraud but a reaction to the unfair imbalance between those that work hard to support themselves and those that choose not to work. There is no argument that you can make that supports a benefits lifestyle simply through choice why those that have ambition and self respect work hard to support themselves and their families.[/p][/quote]Nobody wants a benefit by choice system, unless of course they a part of the minority that C'moromn is using as his excuse to make the poor even poorer. Most people on benefits are actually working, but thanks to C'morons rich friends not at a level that allows them to support families or housing. I am taxed as a pensioner and do not resent benefits being paid to those in genuine need from the taxes I pay. I do resent C'morons friends getting even richer at my expense though..[/p][/quote]try walking around the estates maybe offer some of the unemployed jobs ten moths a year with free accommodation & earning £100+a day see how many are willing to take the jobs then tell them it's fruit picking on fruit farms & then see how many want he job. A TV program & numerous fruit farmers have tried & the answer is NO I get more on Social & I don't need to work so again & again your so wrong. Labour has plans to force people to work or no benefits to the point they're going to make them go to college to learn to read & write & add up. So your saying it's not the unemployeds fault & they would work? So explain to me UKIP man why are there so many Eastern & now Europeans coming here & finding work straight away? Why are people like this woman finding it okay to rob anyone who pays tax? Let's get it straight any pensioner who saved to have a good retirement pays taxes & this LADY has just robbed them.all welfare claimants who work on the side are robbing them all claimants of invalidity pay who are physically okay are robbing all tax payers. All claimants who could work but don't want to work are robbing us & they're making genuine claimants those looking for work or who can't through no fault of there own work look bad as no matter if it's right or wrong they all get tarred with the same brush yet you come out with this rubbish?[/p][/quote]I do walk around the estates, especially one of the most deprived in the UK, the Flower Roads. I spend a lot of time helping some there to get jobs, some of them with no computers or computing skills do it on my spare PC with my help. REALITY is that there are many more out of work than there are jobs available, but I also help somr that are in work with their benefit claims due to the low pay of some of the jobs that C'moron crows about. REALITY AGAIN, there are about 40% council homes on the estate and the vast majority of those council tenants of working age are in work. Unfortunately the majority of those claiming benefits on the esate are also in work. When C'moron crows about the improvement in the UKs finances he is refering to his rich buddies, not us the working classes. I suggest you get out and offer help to those trying to improve their lot, might help you to see througfh the Tory's lies.[/p][/quote]I did a postal round in that area around near Cantell school. I saw Polish houses with grills on them yet still the glass had holes where something had been fired/ thrown at them. I've seen the shirts they wear out (English football) in an effort to blend in. You & many others who bang on about the unemployment levels then attack(verbally) these people for taking British jobs yet would any of these people of he Flower Gardens estate do the jobs they do? I get really annoyed with posters that say "they work harder than British Workers" As that's a load of rubbish what they should say is they'll do the job where as locals won't do the jobs, So are you saying that all EU immigrants/illegals & refugee's were packed off out of this country there still wouldn't be enough work for the locals? in all there are about 3million people from overseas working here how many unemployed are there? the Echo has at least 2,500 jobs advertised & I know not all would be employers advertise in this paper so you could nearly double those figures so why aren't these jobs being snapped up? As for the Flower Gardens really? I'd say parts of Millbrook were far worse than Swaythling is.[/p][/quote]Which is why Tory Baroness Truelove's department recognised the Flower Roads Estate as one of the 7 most deprived areas in the UK, and tried unsuccesfully to persuade the government to address the situation. Yes there may be about three million people from overseas working here which is why the jobs are not there for young family people that need to provide for children, unlike the invaders that have stolen their chances of work. Instead of swallowing C'moron's propaganda just try opening your own eyes.[/p][/quote]go & take a look at the houses in the so called deprived area then look at the flats & houses in Millbrook estate! if the locals can't be bothered to work that's their problem but your slagging off your own area to make a political point. I feel sorry for the friends I have in that estate & those who through working hard & taking pride in their houses are being rubbished by you as anyone reading your posts will think "I don't want to buy there ,it sounds an awful place to live" yet it's not it's just people like you. why do you think some residents now put down BASSET instead of Swaythling & definitely don't put down Flower Gardens? loosehead
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2:25pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Inform Al says...

loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al I thought Cameron was exaggerating about benefit fraud?
looks like you were wrong again doesn't it?
put her on the chain gang with a bucket & get her to somerset.
I have never said benefit fraud does not occur, merely the truth about it, and that is that it is a very small minority of people misusing benefits. C'moron is using them to hammer the innocent majority for the 'benefit' of his rich friends. So yet again your're wrong and I'm right. I know that due to your party sheeplike trance you will never be able to understand this, so will ignore further comments from you on this thread.
The number of people that are guilty of benefit fraud is irrelevant (although there are a very large number of people that are caught) as there is no excuse for defrauding the hard working taxpayer for an individual's gain. Benefits are hand outs are not a birth right for anybody so they should be appreciative and grateful for the help they receive, paid for by hard working people. Benefits were originallt intended as a short term form of help to help those that found themselves on hard times and were never intended to be a replacement income and lifestyle choice.

You cannot accuse Mr Cameron of hammering or attacking benefit claimants. For far too long people have been paid more and more in handouts until you get to the crisis we're in now which is people don't want to work because they're better off living on hand outs than they are working. The country cannot afford to maintain this imbalance and this is what the government want to change so the changes to the welfare system are not a reaction to those that commit benefit fraud but a reaction to the unfair imbalance between those that work hard to support themselves and those that choose not to work.

There is no argument that you can make that supports a benefits lifestyle simply through choice why those that have ambition and self respect work hard to support themselves and their families.
Nobody wants a benefit by choice system, unless of course they a part of the minority that C'moromn is using as his excuse to make the poor even poorer. Most people on benefits are actually working, but thanks to C'morons rich friends not at a level that allows them to support families or housing. I am taxed as a pensioner and do not resent benefits being paid to those in genuine need from the taxes I pay. I do resent C'morons friends getting even richer at my expense though..
try walking around the estates maybe offer some of the unemployed jobs ten moths a year with free accommodation & earning £100+a day see how many are willing to take the jobs then tell them it's fruit picking on fruit farms & then see how many want he job.
A TV program & numerous fruit farmers have tried & the answer is NO I get more on Social & I don't need to work so again & again your so wrong.
Labour has plans to force people to work or no benefits to the point they're going to make them go to college to learn to read & write & add up.
So your saying it's not the unemployeds fault & they would work?
So explain to me UKIP man why are there so many Eastern & now Europeans coming here & finding work straight away?
Why are people like this woman finding it okay to rob anyone who pays tax?
Let's get it straight any pensioner who saved to have a good retirement pays taxes & this LADY has just robbed them.all welfare claimants who work on the side are robbing them all claimants of invalidity pay who are physically okay are robbing all tax payers.
All claimants who could work but don't want to work are robbing us & they're making genuine claimants those looking for work or who can't through no fault of there own work look bad as no matter if it's right or wrong they all get tarred with the same brush yet you come out with this rubbish?
I do walk around the estates, especially one of the most deprived in the UK, the Flower Roads. I spend a lot of time helping some there to get jobs, some of them with no computers or computing skills do it on my spare PC with my help. REALITY is that there are many more out of work than there are jobs available, but I also help somr that are in work with their benefit claims due to the low pay of some of the jobs that C'moron crows about. REALITY AGAIN, there are about 40% council homes on the estate and the vast majority of those council tenants of working age are in work. Unfortunately the majority of those claiming benefits on the esate are also in work. When C'moron crows about the improvement in the UKs finances he is refering to his rich buddies, not us the working classes. I suggest you get out and offer help to those trying to improve their lot, might help you to see througfh the Tory's lies.
I did a postal round in that area around near Cantell school.
I saw Polish houses with grills on them yet still the glass had holes where something had been fired/ thrown at them.
I've seen the shirts they wear out (English football) in an effort to blend in.
You & many others who bang on about the unemployment levels then attack(verbally) these people for taking British jobs yet would any of these people of he Flower Gardens estate do the jobs they do?
I get really annoyed with posters that say "they work harder than British Workers" As that's a load of rubbish what they should say is they'll do the job where as locals won't do the jobs,
So are you saying that all EU immigrants/illegals & refugee's were packed off out of this country there still wouldn't be enough work for the locals?
in all there are about 3million people from overseas working here how many unemployed are there?
the Echo has at least 2,500 jobs advertised & I know not all would be employers advertise in this paper so you could nearly double those figures so why aren't these jobs being snapped up?
As for the Flower Gardens really? I'd say parts of Millbrook were far worse than Swaythling is.
Which is why Tory Baroness Truelove's department recognised the Flower Roads Estate as one of the 7 most deprived areas in the UK, and tried unsuccesfully to persuade the government to address the situation. Yes there may be about three million people from overseas working here which is why the jobs are not there for young family people that need to provide for children, unlike the invaders that have stolen their chances of work. Instead of swallowing C'moron's propaganda just try opening your own eyes.
go & take a look at the houses in the so called deprived area then look at the flats & houses in Millbrook estate!
if the locals can't be bothered to work that's their problem but your slagging off your own area to make a political point.
I feel sorry for the friends I have in that estate & those who through working hard & taking pride in their houses are being rubbished by you as anyone reading your posts will think "I don't want to buy there ,it sounds an awful place to live" yet it's not it's just people like you.
why do you think some residents now put down BASSET instead of Swaythling & definitely don't put down Flower Gardens?
So you can run down Millbrook but I can't tell the truth about what is a very small deprived area that is overlooked because of its close proximity to Bassett. I do not however say the people on the Flower Roads are worse than the residents elsewhere in Southampton, in fact 99% of them are nice people. The deprivation comes from low income, even amongst the majority who are in work. And thanks to the last Tory administration the lack of community resources
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Inform Al I thought Cameron was exaggerating about benefit fraud? looks like you were wrong again doesn't it? put her on the chain gang with a bucket & get her to somerset.[/p][/quote]I have never said benefit fraud does not occur, merely the truth about it, and that is that it is a very small minority of people misusing benefits. C'moron is using them to hammer the innocent majority for the 'benefit' of his rich friends. So yet again your're wrong and I'm right. I know that due to your party sheeplike trance you will never be able to understand this, so will ignore further comments from you on this thread.[/p][/quote]The number of people that are guilty of benefit fraud is irrelevant (although there are a very large number of people that are caught) as there is no excuse for defrauding the hard working taxpayer for an individual's gain. Benefits are hand outs are not a birth right for anybody so they should be appreciative and grateful for the help they receive, paid for by hard working people. Benefits were originallt intended as a short term form of help to help those that found themselves on hard times and were never intended to be a replacement income and lifestyle choice. You cannot accuse Mr Cameron of hammering or attacking benefit claimants. For far too long people have been paid more and more in handouts until you get to the crisis we're in now which is people don't want to work because they're better off living on hand outs than they are working. The country cannot afford to maintain this imbalance and this is what the government want to change so the changes to the welfare system are not a reaction to those that commit benefit fraud but a reaction to the unfair imbalance between those that work hard to support themselves and those that choose not to work. There is no argument that you can make that supports a benefits lifestyle simply through choice why those that have ambition and self respect work hard to support themselves and their families.[/p][/quote]Nobody wants a benefit by choice system, unless of course they a part of the minority that C'moromn is using as his excuse to make the poor even poorer. Most people on benefits are actually working, but thanks to C'morons rich friends not at a level that allows them to support families or housing. I am taxed as a pensioner and do not resent benefits being paid to those in genuine need from the taxes I pay. I do resent C'morons friends getting even richer at my expense though..[/p][/quote]try walking around the estates maybe offer some of the unemployed jobs ten moths a year with free accommodation & earning £100+a day see how many are willing to take the jobs then tell them it's fruit picking on fruit farms & then see how many want he job. A TV program & numerous fruit farmers have tried & the answer is NO I get more on Social & I don't need to work so again & again your so wrong. Labour has plans to force people to work or no benefits to the point they're going to make them go to college to learn to read & write & add up. So your saying it's not the unemployeds fault & they would work? So explain to me UKIP man why are there so many Eastern & now Europeans coming here & finding work straight away? Why are people like this woman finding it okay to rob anyone who pays tax? Let's get it straight any pensioner who saved to have a good retirement pays taxes & this LADY has just robbed them.all welfare claimants who work on the side are robbing them all claimants of invalidity pay who are physically okay are robbing all tax payers. All claimants who could work but don't want to work are robbing us & they're making genuine claimants those looking for work or who can't through no fault of there own work look bad as no matter if it's right or wrong they all get tarred with the same brush yet you come out with this rubbish?[/p][/quote]I do walk around the estates, especially one of the most deprived in the UK, the Flower Roads. I spend a lot of time helping some there to get jobs, some of them with no computers or computing skills do it on my spare PC with my help. REALITY is that there are many more out of work than there are jobs available, but I also help somr that are in work with their benefit claims due to the low pay of some of the jobs that C'moron crows about. REALITY AGAIN, there are about 40% council homes on the estate and the vast majority of those council tenants of working age are in work. Unfortunately the majority of those claiming benefits on the esate are also in work. When C'moron crows about the improvement in the UKs finances he is refering to his rich buddies, not us the working classes. I suggest you get out and offer help to those trying to improve their lot, might help you to see througfh the Tory's lies.[/p][/quote]I did a postal round in that area around near Cantell school. I saw Polish houses with grills on them yet still the glass had holes where something had been fired/ thrown at them. I've seen the shirts they wear out (English football) in an effort to blend in. You & many others who bang on about the unemployment levels then attack(verbally) these people for taking British jobs yet would any of these people of he Flower Gardens estate do the jobs they do? I get really annoyed with posters that say "they work harder than British Workers" As that's a load of rubbish what they should say is they'll do the job where as locals won't do the jobs, So are you saying that all EU immigrants/illegals & refugee's were packed off out of this country there still wouldn't be enough work for the locals? in all there are about 3million people from overseas working here how many unemployed are there? the Echo has at least 2,500 jobs advertised & I know not all would be employers advertise in this paper so you could nearly double those figures so why aren't these jobs being snapped up? As for the Flower Gardens really? I'd say parts of Millbrook were far worse than Swaythling is.[/p][/quote]Which is why Tory Baroness Truelove's department recognised the Flower Roads Estate as one of the 7 most deprived areas in the UK, and tried unsuccesfully to persuade the government to address the situation. Yes there may be about three million people from overseas working here which is why the jobs are not there for young family people that need to provide for children, unlike the invaders that have stolen their chances of work. Instead of swallowing C'moron's propaganda just try opening your own eyes.[/p][/quote]go & take a look at the houses in the so called deprived area then look at the flats & houses in Millbrook estate! if the locals can't be bothered to work that's their problem but your slagging off your own area to make a political point. I feel sorry for the friends I have in that estate & those who through working hard & taking pride in their houses are being rubbished by you as anyone reading your posts will think "I don't want to buy there ,it sounds an awful place to live" yet it's not it's just people like you. why do you think some residents now put down BASSET instead of Swaythling & definitely don't put down Flower Gardens?[/p][/quote]So you can run down Millbrook but I can't tell the truth about what is a very small deprived area that is overlooked because of its close proximity to Bassett. I do not however say the people on the Flower Roads are worse than the residents elsewhere in Southampton, in fact 99% of them are nice people. The deprivation comes from low income, even amongst the majority who are in work. And thanks to the last Tory administration the lack of community resources Inform Al
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melissax121 says...

You can't comment on a story that you don't know the in's and out's off.... has it occurred to any of you that their is more then meets the eye, im sure this journalist had great pleasure in making the story out to be much more then it ever was, a mistake was made that she is knowing paying for "community service and £300 pound a month back". most of the so called 'SCUM' you call them that commit benefit fraud are lucky if they ever have to pay more then £5 a month back. Stop judging, get of your high horses and find something better to do with your so called perfect lives then sitting their judging others only by what you read and not what you truly KNOW!
You can't comment on a story that you don't know the in's and out's off.... has it occurred to any of you that their is more then meets the eye, im sure this journalist had great pleasure in making the story out to be much more then it ever was, a mistake was made that she is knowing paying for "community service and £300 pound a month back". most of the so called 'SCUM' you call them that commit benefit fraud are lucky if they ever have to pay more then £5 a month back. Stop judging, get of your high horses and find something better to do with your so called perfect lives then sitting their judging others only by what you read and not what you truly KNOW! melissax121
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