Casino giant Aspers admits interest in super casino in Southampton at Royal Pier

An Aspers casino in Stratford, London

How the Royal Pier development is expected to look

Casino giant admits interest in super casino in Southampton

The Royal Pier in its heyday

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Political reporter

IT IS THE controversial new gamblers’ paradise that will underpin one of the biggest developments in Southampton for decades.

Today the Daily Echo can exclusively reveal that super casino firm Aspers will bid to become part of the £330million plans for the Royal Pier site.

The firm, which runs the only two super casinos in the UK, is drawing up a multi-million pound licensing bid for a new branch which could create hundreds of jobs and be the cornerstone for the entire Royal Pier development.

Civic chiefs have welcomed it as more good news for the project, after it was announced last year that bosses at Associated British Ports (ABP), which owns some of the land, have voted to back the current proposals.

Several plans to for redevelopment at the derelict Royal Pier site have come and gone over the past decade.

Discussions over the latest scheme – which also features a luxury hotel, marina, restaurants, bars and flats – are ongoing between developer Morgan Sindall Investments Limited, and landowners Southampton City Council, the Crown Estate and ABP.

It is hoped a planning application – with a super casino at its centre – will be handed in later this year, and that construction work could even begin next year.

The city council is one of only eight authorities in the country with the right to hand out a “large casino” licence.

The licence would allow an operator to build a casino housing up to 150 slot machines with jackpots of up to £4,000, and up to 30 tables for blackjack and poker.

Regular casinos have a limit of 20 slot machines.

Aspers first admitted its interest in Royal Pier to the Daily Echo in 2012, but now chiefs at the firm have confirmed they will bid for the right to run the casino.

Aspers’ chief operating officer, Richard Noble, said: “Although it is still in early stages, I can confirm that Aspers has a strong interest in the plans for the Royal Pier development in Southampton.

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“We have been monitoring this redevelopment opportunity for several years and believe that the modern leisure facilities and the socially responsible gaming commitment we deliver to local communities would be a great fit for the Southampton area.

“We are very proud to have delivered the only two operational large licence casinos in the UK and feel that our track record of delivering exceptional venues, creating local jobs and supporting community initiatives shows exactly what we could deliver for Southampton.”

While the company says there is currently no firm estimate on the economic boom it could bring to the city, its casino in Stratford, London – the biggest in the country – rakes in more than £1million a year for Newham Council from takings and employs 560 people.

It is open 24 hours a day, 364 days a year, and welcomes more than 25,000 people through its doors each week.

And its second super casino, which opened in Milton Keynes last September, has created 250 jobs.

They are currently the only two casinos of their size in the entire country.

And while the casinos also allow gamblers to play classic games such as roulette, poker and slot machines, they also contain restaurants and bars, which would fit in alongside the other leisure elements of Royal Pier.

It is believed Southampton’s proposed casino would be more similar in scale to the 36,500sq ft Milton Keynes complex than the 65,000sq ft Stratford site.

But there is still a long way to go before a super casino in Southampton becomes a reality.

The council must first formally begin the process to start a competition to run the casino, which could feature rival bids from other casino operators.

The competition will only be formally launched once planning permission has been granted for a venue for the casino at Royal Pier.

Welcoming the news as “excellent”, city council leader Simon Letts said: “I’m pleased that a major company like Aspers is willing to spend money in Southampton.

“When the competition opens we will welcome bids from as many organisations as wish to bid.

“In the current economic climate, any additional funds that may be used to protect council services are to be welcomed.”

He added that the council may only be able to announce a winning casino firm in three to five years’ time.

Stewart Dunn, Chief Executive of Hampshire Chamber of Commerce said: “The chamber has always supported the application for a casino as part of a strategic and much needed development to open up the waterfront and provide permanent facilities for the PSP Southampton Boat Show.

“This could bring further investment and importantly jobs to the area as well as enhance the waterfront.

“However, it is important that full consultation with the port authorities and residents is undertaken to understand and meet their concerns.

“The chamber will offer to work with Southampton City Council to address some of these issues, particularly transport, planning and infrastructure.”

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4:53am Wed 12 Feb 14

nervousbumskin420 says...

another place for all the bums to waste their benefits...GO SOUTHAMPTON!
another place for all the bums to waste their benefits...GO SOUTHAMPTON! nervousbumskin420
  • Score: -10

5:47am Wed 12 Feb 14

Danae says...

Will we follow the lead from Monaco and exclude Sotonians from the Casino to avoid their harm from gambling addiction?

Secondarily, the technician's aerial impression suggests gross overdevelopment of this difficult, watery and cramped site.

Why the wall of very ordinary offices lining the south side of Town Quay Road and the Western Esplanade? Southampton suffers low office demand, while such structures, if they ever let, remain in fashion for a mere 10 years.

Put them somewhere else where they can do no harm to our Medieval Waterfront, which we should be enhancing and showing off, not hiding!
Will we follow the lead from Monaco and exclude Sotonians from the Casino to avoid their harm from gambling addiction? Secondarily, the technician's aerial impression suggests gross overdevelopment of this difficult, watery and cramped site. Why the wall of very ordinary offices lining the south side of Town Quay Road and the Western Esplanade? Southampton suffers low office demand, while such structures, if they ever let, remain in fashion for a mere 10 years. Put them somewhere else where they can do no harm to our Medieval Waterfront, which we should be enhancing and showing off, not hiding! Danae
  • Score: 10

8:47am Wed 12 Feb 14

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

nervousbumskin420 wrote:
another place for all the bums to waste their benefits...GO SOUTHAMPTON!
think the idea ,like oxford street ,is to fleece the cruise passengers , southampton people not considered these days.
[quote][p][bold]nervousbumskin420[/bold] wrote: another place for all the bums to waste their benefits...GO SOUTHAMPTON![/p][/quote]think the idea ,like oxford street ,is to fleece the cruise passengers , southampton people not considered these days. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.
  • Score: 3

9:48am Wed 12 Feb 14

camerajuan says...

nervousbumskin420 wrote:
another place for all the bums to waste their benefits...GO SOUTHAMPTON!
Pretty certain other people use it too!

My house has 7 people and we have a night out at the Grosvenor occasionally. Its a good laugh and if you bet sensibly (only bet what you can afford to be without) you have a better night. I won £350 from a £50 outlay one night. What a weekend!
[quote][p][bold]nervousbumskin420[/bold] wrote: another place for all the bums to waste their benefits...GO SOUTHAMPTON![/p][/quote]Pretty certain other people use it too! My house has 7 people and we have a night out at the Grosvenor occasionally. Its a good laugh and if you bet sensibly (only bet what you can afford to be without) you have a better night. I won £350 from a £50 outlay one night. What a weekend! camerajuan
  • Score: 0

9:56am Wed 12 Feb 14

Newforest says...

Will the Boat Show still have a home?
Will the Boat Show still have a home? Newforest
  • Score: 6

10:47am Wed 12 Feb 14

good-gosh says...

I went to a casino as a youth and bet half-a-crown on pontoon – lost it. I found another half-a-crown in another pocket and put it on the table – lost it. That was a weeks spare money gone in 2 minutes - scarred for life ;-))
I went to a casino as a youth and bet half-a-crown on pontoon – lost it. I found another half-a-crown in another pocket and put it on the table – lost it. That was a weeks spare money gone in 2 minutes - scarred for life ;-)) good-gosh
  • Score: 13

11:08am Wed 12 Feb 14

Bagamn says...

We certainly need another space to waste our money. The Government and council try to take what we have at the moment. When are people in charge going to realize that we are being taxed to death and we don't have money to fritter away on their big casinos. Gambling what to put on the food table is one thing, Gambling with the rent is something else. It is a building that we don't need.
We certainly need another space to waste our money. The Government and council try to take what we have at the moment. When are people in charge going to realize that we are being taxed to death and we don't have money to fritter away on their big casinos. Gambling what to put on the food table is one thing, Gambling with the rent is something else. It is a building that we don't need. Bagamn
  • Score: 9

12:23pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Mr E says...

Where is the Isle Of wight ferry in that 'Visualization'
Where is the Isle Of wight ferry in that 'Visualization' Mr E
  • Score: 3

12:30pm Wed 12 Feb 14

KingMawwaw says...

Appreciate that the image is only a developer’s impression, so likely to be extremely inaccurate - but what’s going on there on the A33 and Mayflower Roundabout? Looks like they are proposing to cram flats in between the road and Mayflower Park. Is there enough room for that? Looks like the roundabout has disappeared.

The flats are coming right up to Kuti's and stretch towards the water from that point. Are they allowed to build on the park itself? Southy what do you think?
Appreciate that the image is only a developer’s impression, so likely to be extremely inaccurate - but what’s going on there on the A33 and Mayflower Roundabout? Looks like they are proposing to cram flats in between the road and Mayflower Park. Is there enough room for that? Looks like the roundabout has disappeared. The flats are coming right up to Kuti's and stretch towards the water from that point. Are they allowed to build on the park itself? Southy what do you think? KingMawwaw
  • Score: 1

12:30pm Wed 12 Feb 14

wwozzer says...

The road network around that area is already woefully inadequate thanks to west quay and the arrival of ikea. Even before the current roadworks at dock gate 4 it's a complete nightmare around there at weekends.

This is just pure genius. I don't see how a couple of hundred (always halve what they tell you) part time minimum wage jobs and a million quid in the councils pocket every year (morelike 500,000) is worth the chaos it will bring.

We have already started to shop in basingstoke occasionally because of the aggro involved in getting into town. Our council are a bunch of imbeciles.
The road network around that area is already woefully inadequate thanks to west quay and the arrival of ikea. Even before the current roadworks at dock gate 4 it's a complete nightmare around there at weekends. This is just pure genius. I don't see how a couple of hundred (always halve what they tell you) part time minimum wage jobs and a million quid in the councils pocket every year (morelike 500,000) is worth the chaos it will bring. We have already started to shop in basingstoke occasionally because of the aggro involved in getting into town. Our council are a bunch of imbeciles. wwozzer
  • Score: 0

12:44pm Wed 12 Feb 14

elvisimo says...

nervousbumskin420 wrote:
another place for all the bums to waste their benefits...GO SOUTHAMPTON!
yep because that's what their operation will target. they are obviously clueless and have no idea etc etc etc.

If they will let you in, go and see the latest ones they have opened.
[quote][p][bold]nervousbumskin420[/bold] wrote: another place for all the bums to waste their benefits...GO SOUTHAMPTON![/p][/quote]yep because that's what their operation will target. they are obviously clueless and have no idea etc etc etc. If they will let you in, go and see the latest ones they have opened. elvisimo
  • Score: -1

12:46pm Wed 12 Feb 14

issacchunt says...

"Build it and they will come", mugs that is? Crap sea city museum and a Casino. Why would you go anywhere else?

How about an ice -rink. Ho ho ho. sorry forgot our lovely sea frontage at mayflower park which the council wants to build flats on.
"Build it and they will come", mugs that is? Crap sea city museum and a Casino. Why would you go anywhere else? How about an ice -rink. Ho ho ho. sorry forgot our lovely sea frontage at mayflower park which the council wants to build flats on. issacchunt
  • Score: 1

1:13pm Wed 12 Feb 14

03alpe01 says...

elvisimo wrote:
nervousbumskin420 wrote:
another place for all the bums to waste their benefits...GO SOUTHAMPTON!
yep because that's what their operation will target. they are obviously clueless and have no idea etc etc etc.

If they will let you in, go and see the latest ones they have opened.
Are you in favour of this?
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nervousbumskin420[/bold] wrote: another place for all the bums to waste their benefits...GO SOUTHAMPTON![/p][/quote]yep because that's what their operation will target. they are obviously clueless and have no idea etc etc etc. If they will let you in, go and see the latest ones they have opened.[/p][/quote]Are you in favour of this? 03alpe01
  • Score: 0

1:42pm Wed 12 Feb 14

elvisimo says...

03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
nervousbumskin420 wrote:
another place for all the bums to waste their benefits...GO SOUTHAMPTON!
yep because that's what their operation will target. they are obviously clueless and have no idea etc etc etc.

If they will let you in, go and see the latest ones they have opened.
Are you in favour of this?
been to the one in Westfield - it was a good fun night out. they had a pretty strict door policy so it wasn't full of scum bags and p issheads, had a decent meal, spin on the tables and watched some live music. very impressed.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nervousbumskin420[/bold] wrote: another place for all the bums to waste their benefits...GO SOUTHAMPTON![/p][/quote]yep because that's what their operation will target. they are obviously clueless and have no idea etc etc etc. If they will let you in, go and see the latest ones they have opened.[/p][/quote]Are you in favour of this?[/p][/quote]been to the one in Westfield - it was a good fun night out. they had a pretty strict door policy so it wasn't full of scum bags and p issheads, had a decent meal, spin on the tables and watched some live music. very impressed. elvisimo
  • Score: 1

3:01pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Ronnie G says...

Back in 'the old days' didn't Ms Rayment run a casino? Tiberius Casino if I recall, so she'll be for it. Loopy Letts is pleased Aspers want to spend their money in Southampton. He welcomes the money to further protect our city's services!!! I bet he is!! (PTP)!
WOW! His planet seems soooooo good!
Aspers I've no doubt will be completed to a very high specification, but I just feel that with times as they are at present, that this development will create more issues for the people of Southampton. Yes Aspers will pay into our city but Labour will spend it and then we'll have heavily addicted gamblers who have nowhere to turn, the council won't help they'll plead poverty, while smirking, as they tick their list..... another resident bites the dust.
SCC have left us with virtually no services! They won't work together on this. Labour are exhausting every avenue of getting a piece of the dock action. The Ferry services, what ferry? Not Red Funnel......
The consultations will be non-transparent, the cabinet meetings will be kept private and take place, in private. They'll try to stitch everyone, including the ports, chambers, anyone who poses a risk to their 'up n coming' political status!
The membership criteria would be governed by council too, it will be a condition, it just adds an extra niggle to the residents they despise so much. Sort of like they did with cost-co, bigging it up saying it was for the people of Southampton. Yeah right... only On the condition you met the application criteria, then were you permitted to apply for membership. Didn't mean you got it though..
Whilst I believe the councillors got their cost-co cards for free, the workers made redundant at BAT had to buy theirs for £35 a piece!
Council negotiate that one too?!!
Back in 'the old days' didn't Ms Rayment run a casino? Tiberius Casino if I recall, so she'll be for it. Loopy Letts is pleased Aspers want to spend their money in Southampton. He welcomes the money to further protect our city's services!!! I bet he is!! (PTP)! WOW! His planet seems soooooo good! Aspers I've no doubt will be completed to a very high specification, but I just feel that with times as they are at present, that this development will create more issues for the people of Southampton. Yes Aspers will pay into our city but Labour will spend it and then we'll have heavily addicted gamblers who have nowhere to turn, the council won't help they'll plead poverty, while smirking, as they tick their list..... another resident bites the dust. SCC have left us with virtually no services! They won't work together on this. Labour are exhausting every avenue of getting a piece of the dock action. The Ferry services, what ferry? Not Red Funnel...... The consultations will be non-transparent, the cabinet meetings will be kept private and take place, in private. They'll try to stitch everyone, including the ports, chambers, anyone who poses a risk to their 'up n coming' political status! The membership criteria would be governed by council too, it will be a condition, it just adds an extra niggle to the residents they despise so much. Sort of like they did with cost-co, bigging it up saying it was for the people of Southampton. Yeah right... only On the condition you met the application criteria, then were you permitted to apply for membership. Didn't mean you got it though.. Whilst I believe the councillors got their cost-co cards for free, the workers made redundant at BAT had to buy theirs for £35 a piece! Council negotiate that one too?!! Ronnie G
  • Score: -1

4:06pm Wed 12 Feb 14

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

elvisimo wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
nervousbumskin420 wrote:
another place for all the bums to waste their benefits...GO SOUTHAMPTON!
yep because that's what their operation will target. they are obviously clueless and have no idea etc etc etc.

If they will let you in, go and see the latest ones they have opened.
Are you in favour of this?
been to the one in Westfield - it was a good fun night out. they had a pretty strict door policy so it wasn't full of scum bags and p issheads, had a decent meal, spin on the tables and watched some live music. very impressed.
they even let postmen in these days,fun for all.
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nervousbumskin420[/bold] wrote: another place for all the bums to waste their benefits...GO SOUTHAMPTON![/p][/quote]yep because that's what their operation will target. they are obviously clueless and have no idea etc etc etc. If they will let you in, go and see the latest ones they have opened.[/p][/quote]Are you in favour of this?[/p][/quote]been to the one in Westfield - it was a good fun night out. they had a pretty strict door policy so it wasn't full of scum bags and p issheads, had a decent meal, spin on the tables and watched some live music. very impressed.[/p][/quote]they even let postmen in these days,fun for all. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.
  • Score: 0

4:19pm Wed 12 Feb 14

03alpe01 says...

This is the real money maker of the scheme. Anyone who dares object to the casino going there will be met with the "this will generate revenue, which can be used to finance other parts of the city" from the Council. Personally, I really don't see the need for even more hotels, bars and restaurants given whats already down there and what will soon be on offer a mere 500 yards up the road. With regard to the casino, wasn't there a casino on the Town Quay that has recently shut down and aren't the Council hell bent on turning it into a strip club?
Personally, I reckon that the Waterfront area should be for families and people of all ages to come and enjoy the waterfront view. I don't see how a strip club and giant casino will appeal to families- kids cant even go in there! This would make the ideal location for that Spitfire memorial that's supposed to be going there and seeing as a lot of cruise passengers are 50+ I cant see them being attracted to a strip club/giant casino either. This should be a waterfront for all to see and enjoy
This is the real money maker of the scheme. Anyone who dares object to the casino going there will be met with the "this will generate revenue, which can be used to finance other parts of the city" from the Council. Personally, I really don't see the need for even more hotels, bars and restaurants given whats already down there and what will soon be on offer a mere 500 yards up the road. With regard to the casino, wasn't there a casino on the Town Quay that has recently shut down and aren't the Council hell bent on turning it into a strip club? Personally, I reckon that the Waterfront area should be for families and people of all ages to come and enjoy the waterfront view. I don't see how a strip club and giant casino will appeal to families- kids cant even go in there! This would make the ideal location for that Spitfire memorial that's supposed to be going there and seeing as a lot of cruise passengers are 50+ I cant see them being attracted to a strip club/giant casino either. This should be a waterfront for all to see and enjoy 03alpe01
  • Score: 2

4:31pm Wed 12 Feb 14

KingMawwaw says...

It would be disastrous to build those offices / flats between Mayflower Park and the road. You'd lose the view of the walls from the park and the view of the water from the old town. You'd make Mayflower Park even more disconnected from the town than it is now. It would be hidden by this new development.

Echo, do you have any images from ground level? Imagine the view from, say, the Mayflower memorial. No water, just a six-storey block.
It would be disastrous to build those offices / flats between Mayflower Park and the road. You'd lose the view of the walls from the park and the view of the water from the old town. You'd make Mayflower Park even more disconnected from the town than it is now. It would be hidden by this new development. Echo, do you have any images from ground level? Imagine the view from, say, the Mayflower memorial. No water, just a six-storey block. KingMawwaw
  • Score: 5

4:36pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Ronnie G wrote:
Back in 'the old days' didn't Ms Rayment run a casino? Tiberius Casino if I recall, so she'll be for it. Loopy Letts is pleased Aspers want to spend their money in Southampton. He welcomes the money to further protect our city's services!!! I bet he is!! (PTP)!
WOW! His planet seems soooooo good!
Aspers I've no doubt will be completed to a very high specification, but I just feel that with times as they are at present, that this development will create more issues for the people of Southampton. Yes Aspers will pay into our city but Labour will spend it and then we'll have heavily addicted gamblers who have nowhere to turn, the council won't help they'll plead poverty, while smirking, as they tick their list..... another resident bites the dust.
SCC have left us with virtually no services! They won't work together on this. Labour are exhausting every avenue of getting a piece of the dock action. The Ferry services, what ferry? Not Red Funnel......
The consultations will be non-transparent, the cabinet meetings will be kept private and take place, in private. They'll try to stitch everyone, including the ports, chambers, anyone who poses a risk to their 'up n coming' political status!
The membership criteria would be governed by council too, it will be a condition, it just adds an extra niggle to the residents they despise so much. Sort of like they did with cost-co, bigging it up saying it was for the people of Southampton. Yeah right... only On the condition you met the application criteria, then were you permitted to apply for membership. Didn't mean you got it though..
Whilst I believe the councillors got their cost-co cards for free, the workers made redundant at BAT had to buy theirs for £35 a piece!
Council negotiate that one too?!!
You really do post a similar dialogue to someone else that ........ almost uncanny
[quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: Back in 'the old days' didn't Ms Rayment run a casino? Tiberius Casino if I recall, so she'll be for it. Loopy Letts is pleased Aspers want to spend their money in Southampton. He welcomes the money to further protect our city's services!!! I bet he is!! (PTP)! WOW! His planet seems soooooo good! Aspers I've no doubt will be completed to a very high specification, but I just feel that with times as they are at present, that this development will create more issues for the people of Southampton. Yes Aspers will pay into our city but Labour will spend it and then we'll have heavily addicted gamblers who have nowhere to turn, the council won't help they'll plead poverty, while smirking, as they tick their list..... another resident bites the dust. SCC have left us with virtually no services! They won't work together on this. Labour are exhausting every avenue of getting a piece of the dock action. The Ferry services, what ferry? Not Red Funnel...... The consultations will be non-transparent, the cabinet meetings will be kept private and take place, in private. They'll try to stitch everyone, including the ports, chambers, anyone who poses a risk to their 'up n coming' political status! The membership criteria would be governed by council too, it will be a condition, it just adds an extra niggle to the residents they despise so much. Sort of like they did with cost-co, bigging it up saying it was for the people of Southampton. Yeah right... only On the condition you met the application criteria, then were you permitted to apply for membership. Didn't mean you got it though.. Whilst I believe the councillors got their cost-co cards for free, the workers made redundant at BAT had to buy theirs for £35 a piece! Council negotiate that one too?!![/p][/quote]You really do post a similar dialogue to someone else that ........ almost uncanny Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -3

4:38pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Lone Ranger. says...

03alpe01 wrote:
This is the real money maker of the scheme. Anyone who dares object to the casino going there will be met with the "this will generate revenue, which can be used to finance other parts of the city" from the Council. Personally, I really don't see the need for even more hotels, bars and restaurants given whats already down there and what will soon be on offer a mere 500 yards up the road. With regard to the casino, wasn't there a casino on the Town Quay that has recently shut down and aren't the Council hell bent on turning it into a strip club?
Personally, I reckon that the Waterfront area should be for families and people of all ages to come and enjoy the waterfront view. I don't see how a strip club and giant casino will appeal to families- kids cant even go in there! This would make the ideal location for that Spitfire memorial that's supposed to be going there and seeing as a lot of cruise passengers are 50+ I cant see them being attracted to a strip club/giant casino either. This should be a waterfront for all to see and enjoy
Much better than chucking money away on frozen water ...... really looking forward to it
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: This is the real money maker of the scheme. Anyone who dares object to the casino going there will be met with the "this will generate revenue, which can be used to finance other parts of the city" from the Council. Personally, I really don't see the need for even more hotels, bars and restaurants given whats already down there and what will soon be on offer a mere 500 yards up the road. With regard to the casino, wasn't there a casino on the Town Quay that has recently shut down and aren't the Council hell bent on turning it into a strip club? Personally, I reckon that the Waterfront area should be for families and people of all ages to come and enjoy the waterfront view. I don't see how a strip club and giant casino will appeal to families- kids cant even go in there! This would make the ideal location for that Spitfire memorial that's supposed to be going there and seeing as a lot of cruise passengers are 50+ I cant see them being attracted to a strip club/giant casino either. This should be a waterfront for all to see and enjoy[/p][/quote]Much better than chucking money away on frozen water ...... really looking forward to it Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -5

4:45pm Wed 12 Feb 14

03alpe01 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
This is the real money maker of the scheme. Anyone who dares object to the casino going there will be met with the "this will generate revenue, which can be used to finance other parts of the city" from the Council. Personally, I really don't see the need for even more hotels, bars and restaurants given whats already down there and what will soon be on offer a mere 500 yards up the road. With regard to the casino, wasn't there a casino on the Town Quay that has recently shut down and aren't the Council hell bent on turning it into a strip club?
Personally, I reckon that the Waterfront area should be for families and people of all ages to come and enjoy the waterfront view. I don't see how a strip club and giant casino will appeal to families- kids cant even go in there! This would make the ideal location for that Spitfire memorial that's supposed to be going there and seeing as a lot of cruise passengers are 50+ I cant see them being attracted to a strip club/giant casino either. This should be a waterfront for all to see and enjoy
Much better than chucking money away on frozen water ...... really looking forward to it
you don't chuck money away on frozen water. it will stay on top of the frozen water waiting for you to go and pick it up again. **** you. hows plans for that ski complex thing you were going on about building coming along? I cant wait for that ;)
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: This is the real money maker of the scheme. Anyone who dares object to the casino going there will be met with the "this will generate revenue, which can be used to finance other parts of the city" from the Council. Personally, I really don't see the need for even more hotels, bars and restaurants given whats already down there and what will soon be on offer a mere 500 yards up the road. With regard to the casino, wasn't there a casino on the Town Quay that has recently shut down and aren't the Council hell bent on turning it into a strip club? Personally, I reckon that the Waterfront area should be for families and people of all ages to come and enjoy the waterfront view. I don't see how a strip club and giant casino will appeal to families- kids cant even go in there! This would make the ideal location for that Spitfire memorial that's supposed to be going there and seeing as a lot of cruise passengers are 50+ I cant see them being attracted to a strip club/giant casino either. This should be a waterfront for all to see and enjoy[/p][/quote]Much better than chucking money away on frozen water ...... really looking forward to it[/p][/quote]you don't chuck money away on frozen water. it will stay on top of the frozen water waiting for you to go and pick it up again. **** you. hows plans for that ski complex thing you were going on about building coming along? I cant wait for that ;) 03alpe01
  • Score: 5

4:54pm Wed 12 Feb 14

elvisimo says...

its the usual don't want this don't like that attitude. probably part of the reason the city has stagnated for so many years. Not everyone will like everything (or in fact anything if this website is anything to go by) but the wider the offer the more appeal Southampton will have. The leisure offer is atrocious at the moment so bring it on, hope it works. If you don't like it, don't go.
its the usual don't want this don't like that attitude. probably part of the reason the city has stagnated for so many years. Not everyone will like everything (or in fact anything if this website is anything to go by) but the wider the offer the more appeal Southampton will have. The leisure offer is atrocious at the moment so bring it on, hope it works. If you don't like it, don't go. elvisimo
  • Score: 0

4:56pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Delboy67 says...

Brilliant, the only area in the city that's vaguely attractive with access to the waterfront. Build flats on the kids playground and turn one of the few landmarks (the pavillion) into a cowering structure overshadowed by an ugly industrial estate. Southampton is one of the most unappealing City Centres in the country due to every attraction being spoiled by modern ugly architecture. Why anyone would want to spend any leisure time down there once this mess has been built is beyond me. I would welcome the casino on the site of the stinking rubbish piles on the Millbrook docks or on the proposed biomass site, surely the lesser of a number of evils.
Brilliant, the only area in the city that's vaguely attractive with access to the waterfront. Build flats on the kids playground and turn one of the few landmarks (the pavillion) into a cowering structure overshadowed by an ugly industrial estate. Southampton is one of the most unappealing City Centres in the country due to every attraction being spoiled by modern ugly architecture. Why anyone would want to spend any leisure time down there once this mess has been built is beyond me. I would welcome the casino on the site of the stinking rubbish piles on the Millbrook docks or on the proposed biomass site, surely the lesser of a number of evils. Delboy67
  • Score: 3

6:04pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Lone Ranger. says...

03alpe01 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
This is the real money maker of the scheme. Anyone who dares object to the casino going there will be met with the "this will generate revenue, which can be used to finance other parts of the city" from the Council. Personally, I really don't see the need for even more hotels, bars and restaurants given whats already down there and what will soon be on offer a mere 500 yards up the road. With regard to the casino, wasn't there a casino on the Town Quay that has recently shut down and aren't the Council hell bent on turning it into a strip club?
Personally, I reckon that the Waterfront area should be for families and people of all ages to come and enjoy the waterfront view. I don't see how a strip club and giant casino will appeal to families- kids cant even go in there! This would make the ideal location for that Spitfire memorial that's supposed to be going there and seeing as a lot of cruise passengers are 50+ I cant see them being attracted to a strip club/giant casino either. This should be a waterfront for all to see and enjoy
Much better than chucking money away on frozen water ...... really looking forward to it
you don't chuck money away on frozen water. it will stay on top of the frozen water waiting for you to go and pick it up again. **** you. hows plans for that ski complex thing you were going on about building coming along? I cant wait for that ;)
Oh dear ... what was the **** ???
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Havent won the lottery yet ..... but there again perhaps i could win at the Casino
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: This is the real money maker of the scheme. Anyone who dares object to the casino going there will be met with the "this will generate revenue, which can be used to finance other parts of the city" from the Council. Personally, I really don't see the need for even more hotels, bars and restaurants given whats already down there and what will soon be on offer a mere 500 yards up the road. With regard to the casino, wasn't there a casino on the Town Quay that has recently shut down and aren't the Council hell bent on turning it into a strip club? Personally, I reckon that the Waterfront area should be for families and people of all ages to come and enjoy the waterfront view. I don't see how a strip club and giant casino will appeal to families- kids cant even go in there! This would make the ideal location for that Spitfire memorial that's supposed to be going there and seeing as a lot of cruise passengers are 50+ I cant see them being attracted to a strip club/giant casino either. This should be a waterfront for all to see and enjoy[/p][/quote]Much better than chucking money away on frozen water ...... really looking forward to it[/p][/quote]you don't chuck money away on frozen water. it will stay on top of the frozen water waiting for you to go and pick it up again. **** you. hows plans for that ski complex thing you were going on about building coming along? I cant wait for that ;)[/p][/quote]Oh dear ... what was the **** ??? . Havent won the lottery yet ..... but there again perhaps i could win at the Casino Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -2

6:22pm Wed 12 Feb 14

03alpe01 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
This is the real money maker of the scheme. Anyone who dares object to the casino going there will be met with the "this will generate revenue, which can be used to finance other parts of the city" from the Council. Personally, I really don't see the need for even more hotels, bars and restaurants given whats already down there and what will soon be on offer a mere 500 yards up the road. With regard to the casino, wasn't there a casino on the Town Quay that has recently shut down and aren't the Council hell bent on turning it into a strip club?
Personally, I reckon that the Waterfront area should be for families and people of all ages to come and enjoy the waterfront view. I don't see how a strip club and giant casino will appeal to families- kids cant even go in there! This would make the ideal location for that Spitfire memorial that's supposed to be going there and seeing as a lot of cruise passengers are 50+ I cant see them being attracted to a strip club/giant casino either. This should be a waterfront for all to see and enjoy
Much better than chucking money away on frozen water ...... really looking forward to it
you don't chuck money away on frozen water. it will stay on top of the frozen water waiting for you to go and pick it up again. **** you. hows plans for that ski complex thing you were going on about building coming along? I cant wait for that ;)
Oh dear ... what was the **** ???
.
Havent won the lottery yet ..... but there again perhaps i could win at the Casino
**** was a declaration of my respect. Good luck with that, don't forget that when you win at the Casino, I'm the Manager of your ski complex and then we can put an ice rink in the car park!
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: This is the real money maker of the scheme. Anyone who dares object to the casino going there will be met with the "this will generate revenue, which can be used to finance other parts of the city" from the Council. Personally, I really don't see the need for even more hotels, bars and restaurants given whats already down there and what will soon be on offer a mere 500 yards up the road. With regard to the casino, wasn't there a casino on the Town Quay that has recently shut down and aren't the Council hell bent on turning it into a strip club? Personally, I reckon that the Waterfront area should be for families and people of all ages to come and enjoy the waterfront view. I don't see how a strip club and giant casino will appeal to families- kids cant even go in there! This would make the ideal location for that Spitfire memorial that's supposed to be going there and seeing as a lot of cruise passengers are 50+ I cant see them being attracted to a strip club/giant casino either. This should be a waterfront for all to see and enjoy[/p][/quote]Much better than chucking money away on frozen water ...... really looking forward to it[/p][/quote]you don't chuck money away on frozen water. it will stay on top of the frozen water waiting for you to go and pick it up again. **** you. hows plans for that ski complex thing you were going on about building coming along? I cant wait for that ;)[/p][/quote]Oh dear ... what was the **** ??? . Havent won the lottery yet ..... but there again perhaps i could win at the Casino[/p][/quote]**** was a declaration of my respect. Good luck with that, don't forget that when you win at the Casino, I'm the Manager of your ski complex and then we can put an ice rink in the car park! 03alpe01
  • Score: 1

7:16pm Wed 12 Feb 14

issacchunt says...

elvisimo wrote:
its the usual don't want this don't like that attitude. probably part of the reason the city has stagnated for so many years. Not everyone will like everything (or in fact anything if this website is anything to go by) but the wider the offer the more appeal Southampton will have. The leisure offer is atrocious at the moment so bring it on, hope it works. If you don't like it, don't go.
Come on, it's a casino. No culture, no use to familes and a road to ruin. Give us something worth having and people will support it.

the whole of the bhs side of the precinct needs demolishing and rebuilding. We don't need more cinema's or casino's. We already have them, we need someone with vision to do something with our boring city.
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: its the usual don't want this don't like that attitude. probably part of the reason the city has stagnated for so many years. Not everyone will like everything (or in fact anything if this website is anything to go by) but the wider the offer the more appeal Southampton will have. The leisure offer is atrocious at the moment so bring it on, hope it works. If you don't like it, don't go.[/p][/quote]Come on, it's a casino. No culture, no use to familes and a road to ruin. Give us something worth having and people will support it. the whole of the bhs side of the precinct needs demolishing and rebuilding. We don't need more cinema's or casino's. We already have them, we need someone with vision to do something with our boring city. issacchunt
  • Score: 3

8:09pm Wed 12 Feb 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

issacchunt wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
its the usual don't want this don't like that attitude. probably part of the reason the city has stagnated for so many years. Not everyone will like everything (or in fact anything if this website is anything to go by) but the wider the offer the more appeal Southampton will have. The leisure offer is atrocious at the moment so bring it on, hope it works. If you don't like it, don't go.
Come on, it's a casino. No culture, no use to familes and a road to ruin. Give us something worth having and people will support it.

the whole of the bhs side of the precinct needs demolishing and rebuilding. We don't need more cinema's or casino's. We already have them, we need someone with vision to do something with our boring city.
Does the burgeoning cultural quarter not satisfy some of these criteria you've mentioned? And I agree with you, they are important. Can't there be room for both these things?
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: its the usual don't want this don't like that attitude. probably part of the reason the city has stagnated for so many years. Not everyone will like everything (or in fact anything if this website is anything to go by) but the wider the offer the more appeal Southampton will have. The leisure offer is atrocious at the moment so bring it on, hope it works. If you don't like it, don't go.[/p][/quote]Come on, it's a casino. No culture, no use to familes and a road to ruin. Give us something worth having and people will support it. the whole of the bhs side of the precinct needs demolishing and rebuilding. We don't need more cinema's or casino's. We already have them, we need someone with vision to do something with our boring city.[/p][/quote]Does the burgeoning cultural quarter not satisfy some of these criteria you've mentioned? And I agree with you, they are important. Can't there be room for both these things? WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 2

10:06pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Ronnie G says...

elvisimo wrote:
its the usual don't want this don't like that attitude. probably part of the reason the city has stagnated for so many years. Not everyone will like everything (or in fact anything if this website is anything to go by) but the wider the offer the more appeal Southampton will have. The leisure offer is atrocious at the moment so bring it on, hope it works. If you don't like it, don't go.
No it's not, the reason the city has stagnated is because Labour are spending our money on things they shouldn't be. Why can't we as a city have a waterfront that caters for all ages? Other Labour councils manage it. In fact other Labour councils run similarly.
Especially with regards to the children. These are the adults of the future , our, your future.
We are not wrong for wanting a development that caters for everyone in Southampton.
Labour are wrong
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: its the usual don't want this don't like that attitude. probably part of the reason the city has stagnated for so many years. Not everyone will like everything (or in fact anything if this website is anything to go by) but the wider the offer the more appeal Southampton will have. The leisure offer is atrocious at the moment so bring it on, hope it works. If you don't like it, don't go.[/p][/quote]No it's not, the reason the city has stagnated is because Labour are spending our money on things they shouldn't be. Why can't we as a city have a waterfront that caters for all ages? Other Labour councils manage it. In fact other Labour councils run similarly. Especially with regards to the children. These are the adults of the future , our, your future. We are not wrong for wanting a development that caters for everyone in Southampton. Labour are wrong Ronnie G
  • Score: 4

10:14pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Ronnie G says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Ronnie G wrote:
Back in 'the old days' didn't Ms Rayment run a casino? Tiberius Casino if I recall, so she'll be for it. Loopy Letts is pleased Aspers want to spend their money in Southampton. He welcomes the money to further protect our city's services!!! I bet he is!! (PTP)!
WOW! His planet seems soooooo good!
Aspers I've no doubt will be completed to a very high specification, but I just feel that with times as they are at present, that this development will create more issues for the people of Southampton. Yes Aspers will pay into our city but Labour will spend it and then we'll have heavily addicted gamblers who have nowhere to turn, the council won't help they'll plead poverty, while smirking, as they tick their list..... another resident bites the dust.
SCC have left us with virtually no services! They won't work together on this. Labour are exhausting every avenue of getting a piece of the dock action. The Ferry services, what ferry? Not Red Funnel......
The consultations will be non-transparent, the cabinet meetings will be kept private and take place, in private. They'll try to stitch everyone, including the ports, chambers, anyone who poses a risk to their 'up n coming' political status!
The membership criteria would be governed by council too, it will be a condition, it just adds an extra niggle to the residents they despise so much. Sort of like they did with cost-co, bigging it up saying it was for the people of Southampton. Yeah right... only On the condition you met the application criteria, then were you permitted to apply for membership. Didn't mean you got it though..
Whilst I believe the councillors got their cost-co cards for free, the workers made redundant at BAT had to buy theirs for £35 a piece!
Council negotiate that one too?!!
You really do post a similar dialogue to someone else that ........ almost uncanny
And 'thou really doth protest waaaay too much'. LOL!
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: Back in 'the old days' didn't Ms Rayment run a casino? Tiberius Casino if I recall, so she'll be for it. Loopy Letts is pleased Aspers want to spend their money in Southampton. He welcomes the money to further protect our city's services!!! I bet he is!! (PTP)! WOW! His planet seems soooooo good! Aspers I've no doubt will be completed to a very high specification, but I just feel that with times as they are at present, that this development will create more issues for the people of Southampton. Yes Aspers will pay into our city but Labour will spend it and then we'll have heavily addicted gamblers who have nowhere to turn, the council won't help they'll plead poverty, while smirking, as they tick their list..... another resident bites the dust. SCC have left us with virtually no services! They won't work together on this. Labour are exhausting every avenue of getting a piece of the dock action. The Ferry services, what ferry? Not Red Funnel...... The consultations will be non-transparent, the cabinet meetings will be kept private and take place, in private. They'll try to stitch everyone, including the ports, chambers, anyone who poses a risk to their 'up n coming' political status! The membership criteria would be governed by council too, it will be a condition, it just adds an extra niggle to the residents they despise so much. Sort of like they did with cost-co, bigging it up saying it was for the people of Southampton. Yeah right... only On the condition you met the application criteria, then were you permitted to apply for membership. Didn't mean you got it though.. Whilst I believe the councillors got their cost-co cards for free, the workers made redundant at BAT had to buy theirs for £35 a piece! Council negotiate that one too?!![/p][/quote]You really do post a similar dialogue to someone else that ........ almost uncanny[/p][/quote]And 'thou really doth protest waaaay too much'. LOL! Ronnie G
  • Score: 0

10:49pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Saint Botley says...

What absolute idiot is proposing to line the park with flats? The previous posts are correct, visibility of the walls and waterfront should be enhanced not obscured . And in any other city exercising a molecule of common sense, they would be. It's so obvious, Council, get a grip for crying out loud.
What absolute idiot is proposing to line the park with flats? The previous posts are correct, visibility of the walls and waterfront should be enhanced not obscured . And in any other city exercising a molecule of common sense, they would be. It's so obvious, Council, get a grip for crying out loud. Saint Botley
  • Score: 4

11:26pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Ronnie G says...

Labour are destroying our heritage in Southampton.
Richard Williams did decide on a memorial for spitfire tribute, it was in 2 parts with one part to be made in Swindon and one part to be made in Swansea! Howzzat for a Tribute Memorial. To Southamptons City, and it's Heritage?
Labour are destroying our heritage in Southampton. Richard Williams did decide on a memorial for spitfire tribute, it was in 2 parts with one part to be made in Swindon and one part to be made in Swansea! Howzzat for a Tribute Memorial. To Southamptons City, and it's Heritage? Ronnie G
  • Score: 2

11:28pm Wed 12 Feb 14

03alpe01 says...

Saint Botley wrote:
What absolute idiot is proposing to line the park with flats? The previous posts are correct, visibility of the walls and waterfront should be enhanced not obscured . And in any other city exercising a molecule of common sense, they would be. It's so obvious, Council, get a grip for crying out loud.
Which is what I'm saying. No Council has ever cared for Southampton, only for developers and sometimes on occasion cruise passengers. All we want is a nice waterfront location that can be viewed from as many places as possible and welcomes all ages. There is very little waterfront access here, and even where there is some (that car park by the town depot, which hey guess what- is going to be barricaded by flats!) you get accused of being a druggie by the Police. Just for being in a spot by the water. The leisure offer here will not add more variety as there are already casinos here and about a million and one bars.
[quote][p][bold]Saint Botley[/bold] wrote: What absolute idiot is proposing to line the park with flats? The previous posts are correct, visibility of the walls and waterfront should be enhanced not obscured . And in any other city exercising a molecule of common sense, they would be. It's so obvious, Council, get a grip for crying out loud.[/p][/quote]Which is what I'm saying. No Council has ever cared for Southampton, only for developers and sometimes on occasion cruise passengers. All we want is a nice waterfront location that can be viewed from as many places as possible and welcomes all ages. There is very little waterfront access here, and even where there is some (that car park by the town depot, which hey guess what- is going to be barricaded by flats!) you get accused of being a druggie by the Police. Just for being in a spot by the water. The leisure offer here will not add more variety as there are already casinos here and about a million and one bars. 03alpe01
  • Score: 2

10:56am Thu 13 Feb 14

Saint Botley says...

03alpe01 wrote:
Saint Botley wrote:
What absolute idiot is proposing to line the park with flats? The previous posts are correct, visibility of the walls and waterfront should be enhanced not obscured . And in any other city exercising a molecule of common sense, they would be. It's so obvious, Council, get a grip for crying out loud.
Which is what I'm saying. No Council has ever cared for Southampton, only for developers and sometimes on occasion cruise passengers. All we want is a nice waterfront location that can be viewed from as many places as possible and welcomes all ages. There is very little waterfront access here, and even where there is some (that car park by the town depot, which hey guess what- is going to be barricaded by flats!) you get accused of being a druggie by the Police. Just for being in a spot by the water. The leisure offer here will not add more variety as there are already casinos here and about a million and one bars.
Yeah, it's the stupidity of the design that gets me, the original premise of this development was to help reconnect the waterfront to the city centre. Evidently the council feel the best way to achieve this is to put a barrier of flats up between the two. The walls and the waterfront are the two attractive features down there, the area in the middle needs to be attractive and open enough to retain or even enhance views of both. Sticking an ugly row of flats in between would lay waste to the whole area.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Botley[/bold] wrote: What absolute idiot is proposing to line the park with flats? The previous posts are correct, visibility of the walls and waterfront should be enhanced not obscured . And in any other city exercising a molecule of common sense, they would be. It's so obvious, Council, get a grip for crying out loud.[/p][/quote]Which is what I'm saying. No Council has ever cared for Southampton, only for developers and sometimes on occasion cruise passengers. All we want is a nice waterfront location that can be viewed from as many places as possible and welcomes all ages. There is very little waterfront access here, and even where there is some (that car park by the town depot, which hey guess what- is going to be barricaded by flats!) you get accused of being a druggie by the Police. Just for being in a spot by the water. The leisure offer here will not add more variety as there are already casinos here and about a million and one bars.[/p][/quote]Yeah, it's the stupidity of the design that gets me, the original premise of this development was to help reconnect the waterfront to the city centre. Evidently the council feel the best way to achieve this is to put a barrier of flats up between the two. The walls and the waterfront are the two attractive features down there, the area in the middle needs to be attractive and open enough to retain or even enhance views of both. Sticking an ugly row of flats in between would lay waste to the whole area. Saint Botley
  • Score: 3

6:16pm Tue 18 Feb 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

Where is the Jewel to Southampton's Crown? Where is the design that will compete against the Spinnaker Tower? There is nothing here to get excited about! What is the point of trying to build another Ocean Village down the road from Ocean Village? Build something unique that looks good from the water so makes a good back drop to Cruise ships coming in and provides a good platform to look out onto the water and views.
Where is the Jewel to Southampton's Crown? Where is the design that will compete against the Spinnaker Tower? There is nothing here to get excited about! What is the point of trying to build another Ocean Village down the road from Ocean Village? Build something unique that looks good from the water so makes a good back drop to Cruise ships coming in and provides a good platform to look out onto the water and views. allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 1

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