Third bid for KFC restaurant at Rushington Roundabout in Totton

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THEY must have been hoping it would prove to be a case of third time lucky.

But bosses behind a new application for a multi-million-pound fast food centre are facing the same level of hostility that resulted in two previous proposals being withdrawn.

The Gentian Development Group wants to build drive-thru restaurants for KFC and Costa Coffee on land beside the busy Rushington roundabout in Totton.

But critics claim the multi-million-pound scheme – which also includes two other retail outlets – could cause a spate of accidents by attracting extra traffic to an already dangerous area.

Scores of objections resulted in the first two proposals being withdrawn last year – despite the promise of 65 jobs.

Now the latest application has also run into opposition, with town councillors urging New Forest District Council to reject the plan.

Cllr David Harrison, a member of both authorities, said: “The scheme is not without merit because it would create jobs, help boost the local economy and provide a service that many people want.

“However, the benefits are outweighed by the traffic hazards and the damage it would do to the environment.”

Hounsdown Secondary School in nearby Jacobs Gutter Lane is also objecting to the controversial scheme.

In a letter to the district council, head teacher Julie Turvey says the proposed site is next to what she describes as a busy and dangerous road.

She adds: “In the past two years two students from Hounsdown School have been knocked down, one while using a pedestrian crossing close to the roundabout. These accidents were very serious and one student was lucky to survive.”

A district council spokesman said the proposal was likely to generate “significant” levels of extra traffic.

He said civic chiefs had to decide if the access arrangements and on-site parking levels were acceptable in terms of a highway safety.

“This is a matter on which the highway authority has been asked to comment and their views will be critical,” he said.

Gentian spokesman Jason Rockett said a traffic survey had confirmed that the road could cope with the extra traffic generated by the scheme.

He added: “We have worked hard over the last two years with council officers, stakeholders and statutory bodies to address the points associated with our previous applications.

“We are hopeful that our ongoing discussions through the planning process can resolve any outstanding points.”

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6:29am Thu 13 Feb 14

huckit P says...

Can anyone explain what damage this development would do to the environment? The existing site is a mess but before it came to this state it was a business employing people and inviting members of the public to drive in. what difference will it make if it is KFC and Costa Coffee?
Accidents happen because people are careless, but the blame cannot be ascribed to the business.
Can anyone explain what damage this development would do to the environment? The existing site is a mess but before it came to this state it was a business employing people and inviting members of the public to drive in. what difference will it make if it is KFC and Costa Coffee? Accidents happen because people are careless, but the blame cannot be ascribed to the business. huckit P
  • Score: -5

6:54am Thu 13 Feb 14

KSO16R says...

What is clear, judging by objections from those that can be bothered, is that this developement is not wanted.
What is clear, judging by objections from those that can be bothered, is that this developement is not wanted. KSO16R
  • Score: 12

6:55am Thu 13 Feb 14

solentsunseeker says...

NIMBY's just don't want this near their houses or their school. Surely the idea of a drive through is to have it on a main road. These residents just don't want Totton to become like Southampton, guess they wish they were within the New Forest Park as the NPA would probably back them up.
NIMBY's just don't want this near their houses or their school. Surely the idea of a drive through is to have it on a main road. These residents just don't want Totton to become like Southampton, guess they wish they were within the New Forest Park as the NPA would probably back them up. solentsunseeker
  • Score: -4

6:56am Thu 13 Feb 14

D.a.v.e says...

huckit P wrote:
Can anyone explain what damage this development would do to the environment? The existing site is a mess but before it came to this state it was a business employing people and inviting members of the public to drive in. what difference will it make if it is KFC and Costa Coffee?
Accidents happen because people are careless, but the blame cannot be ascribed to the business.
I agree with you as I am not sold on the "damage to environment" angle either however, I think Houndsdown School have a valid argument. Scores of kids taking their chances with the traffic may be a problem.
[quote][p][bold]huckit P[/bold] wrote: Can anyone explain what damage this development would do to the environment? The existing site is a mess but before it came to this state it was a business employing people and inviting members of the public to drive in. what difference will it make if it is KFC and Costa Coffee? Accidents happen because people are careless, but the blame cannot be ascribed to the business.[/p][/quote]I agree with you as I am not sold on the "damage to environment" angle either however, I think Houndsdown School have a valid argument. Scores of kids taking their chances with the traffic may be a problem. D.a.v.e
  • Score: 10

7:14am Thu 13 Feb 14

Forest Resident says...

Anyone who regularly drives through this busy junction will know how quickly congested it becomes already, throw vehicles into the mix leaving this proposed development and trying to do a u turn at the roundabout to head back into Totton or Southampton and you will undoubtedly have a rise in collisions. The exit point from the proposed site is simply far too close to the roundabout for drivers to safely three busy lanes of traffic, and there is no prospect of the exit being moved because of the geographical restrictions of the site. Furthermore, putting a fast food restaurant such as this on a busy pedestrian route for school children is grossly unhealthy and it is obscene of the developer to target children in this way (they have admittd as much in the planning documents). These are just two very sound reasons why this unhealthy and dangerous scheme will be rejected time and again, it has absolutely nothing to so with alleged NIMBYism.
Anyone who regularly drives through this busy junction will know how quickly congested it becomes already, throw vehicles into the mix leaving this proposed development and trying to do a u turn at the roundabout to head back into Totton or Southampton and you will undoubtedly have a rise in collisions. The exit point from the proposed site is simply far too close to the roundabout for drivers to safely three busy lanes of traffic, and there is no prospect of the exit being moved because of the geographical restrictions of the site. Furthermore, putting a fast food restaurant such as this on a busy pedestrian route for school children is grossly unhealthy and it is obscene of the developer to target children in this way (they have admittd as much in the planning documents). These are just two very sound reasons why this unhealthy and dangerous scheme will be rejected time and again, it has absolutely nothing to so with alleged NIMBYism. Forest Resident
  • Score: 17

9:29am Thu 13 Feb 14

sotonbusdriver says...

Forest Resident wrote:
Anyone who regularly drives through this busy junction will know how quickly congested it becomes already, throw vehicles into the mix leaving this proposed development and trying to do a u turn at the roundabout to head back into Totton or Southampton and you will undoubtedly have a rise in collisions. The exit point from the proposed site is simply far too close to the roundabout for drivers to safely three busy lanes of traffic, and there is no prospect of the exit being moved because of the geographical restrictions of the site. Furthermore, putting a fast food restaurant such as this on a busy pedestrian route for school children is grossly unhealthy and it is obscene of the developer to target children in this way (they have admittd as much in the planning documents). These are just two very sound reasons why this unhealthy and dangerous scheme will be rejected time and again, it has absolutely nothing to so with alleged NIMBYism.
It was a busy garage in the past, which didn't causes any further issues with traffic... The exit of the garage was right on the junction, which meant going anywhere other than Hythe (left) or Ashurst (ahead) was the only options to the emerging drivers with any sense. But it did very well.
I can't see that this drive thru would be any different...
Surely it is better to have a site in use looking nice, with staff that collects the rubbish dropped, over and above their own, is an improvement over the disused and derelict site, with the kids rubbish constantly blowing about in the wind...
65 jobs badly needed , if they scrap the scheme, and build locally, I hope they don't employ people from the Totton and rushington area to teach them a lesson
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Anyone who regularly drives through this busy junction will know how quickly congested it becomes already, throw vehicles into the mix leaving this proposed development and trying to do a u turn at the roundabout to head back into Totton or Southampton and you will undoubtedly have a rise in collisions. The exit point from the proposed site is simply far too close to the roundabout for drivers to safely three busy lanes of traffic, and there is no prospect of the exit being moved because of the geographical restrictions of the site. Furthermore, putting a fast food restaurant such as this on a busy pedestrian route for school children is grossly unhealthy and it is obscene of the developer to target children in this way (they have admittd as much in the planning documents). These are just two very sound reasons why this unhealthy and dangerous scheme will be rejected time and again, it has absolutely nothing to so with alleged NIMBYism.[/p][/quote]It was a busy garage in the past, which didn't causes any further issues with traffic... The exit of the garage was right on the junction, which meant going anywhere other than Hythe (left) or Ashurst (ahead) was the only options to the emerging drivers with any sense. But it did very well. I can't see that this drive thru would be any different... Surely it is better to have a site in use looking nice, with staff that collects the rubbish dropped, over and above their own, is an improvement over the disused and derelict site, with the kids rubbish constantly blowing about in the wind... 65 jobs badly needed , if they scrap the scheme, and build locally, I hope they don't employ people from the Totton and rushington area to teach them a lesson sotonbusdriver
  • Score: -8

10:12am Thu 13 Feb 14

boilerman says...

sotonbusdriver wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
Anyone who regularly drives through this busy junction will know how quickly congested it becomes already, throw vehicles into the mix leaving this proposed development and trying to do a u turn at the roundabout to head back into Totton or Southampton and you will undoubtedly have a rise in collisions. The exit point from the proposed site is simply far too close to the roundabout for drivers to safely three busy lanes of traffic, and there is no prospect of the exit being moved because of the geographical restrictions of the site. Furthermore, putting a fast food restaurant such as this on a busy pedestrian route for school children is grossly unhealthy and it is obscene of the developer to target children in this way (they have admittd as much in the planning documents). These are just two very sound reasons why this unhealthy and dangerous scheme will be rejected time and again, it has absolutely nothing to so with alleged NIMBYism.
It was a busy garage in the past, which didn't causes any further issues with traffic... The exit of the garage was right on the junction, which meant going anywhere other than Hythe (left) or Ashurst (ahead) was the only options to the emerging drivers with any sense. But it did very well.
I can't see that this drive thru would be any different...
Surely it is better to have a site in use looking nice, with staff that collects the rubbish dropped, over and above their own, is an improvement over the disused and derelict site, with the kids rubbish constantly blowing about in the wind...
65 jobs badly needed , if they scrap the scheme, and build locally, I hope they don't employ people from the Totton and rushington area to teach them a lesson
As a local , people do not want this, but our wishes will be ignored.
This roundabout is bad enough without hundreds of vehicles pulling in and out all day.
As for picking up the rubbish, this will happen for a short time and then be ignored, the council should impose strict fines on people dropping litter, if they can afford a takeawy they can afford the fine.
[quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Anyone who regularly drives through this busy junction will know how quickly congested it becomes already, throw vehicles into the mix leaving this proposed development and trying to do a u turn at the roundabout to head back into Totton or Southampton and you will undoubtedly have a rise in collisions. The exit point from the proposed site is simply far too close to the roundabout for drivers to safely three busy lanes of traffic, and there is no prospect of the exit being moved because of the geographical restrictions of the site. Furthermore, putting a fast food restaurant such as this on a busy pedestrian route for school children is grossly unhealthy and it is obscene of the developer to target children in this way (they have admittd as much in the planning documents). These are just two very sound reasons why this unhealthy and dangerous scheme will be rejected time and again, it has absolutely nothing to so with alleged NIMBYism.[/p][/quote]It was a busy garage in the past, which didn't causes any further issues with traffic... The exit of the garage was right on the junction, which meant going anywhere other than Hythe (left) or Ashurst (ahead) was the only options to the emerging drivers with any sense. But it did very well. I can't see that this drive thru would be any different... Surely it is better to have a site in use looking nice, with staff that collects the rubbish dropped, over and above their own, is an improvement over the disused and derelict site, with the kids rubbish constantly blowing about in the wind... 65 jobs badly needed , if they scrap the scheme, and build locally, I hope they don't employ people from the Totton and rushington area to teach them a lesson[/p][/quote]As a local , people do not want this, but our wishes will be ignored. This roundabout is bad enough without hundreds of vehicles pulling in and out all day. As for picking up the rubbish, this will happen for a short time and then be ignored, the council should impose strict fines on people dropping litter, if they can afford a takeawy they can afford the fine. boilerman
  • Score: 7

10:36am Thu 13 Feb 14

ToastyTea says...

Build an ice rink instead ?
Build an ice rink instead ? ToastyTea
  • Score: -2

12:09pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Zexagon says...

ToastyTea wrote:
Build an ice rink instead ?
Noooo widen it for a cycle lane
[quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: Build an ice rink instead ?[/p][/quote]Noooo widen it for a cycle lane Zexagon
  • Score: -1

12:16pm Thu 13 Feb 14

legod7 says...

boilerman wrote:
sotonbusdriver wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
Anyone who regularly drives through this busy junction will know how quickly congested it becomes already, throw vehicles into the mix leaving this proposed development and trying to do a u turn at the roundabout to head back into Totton or Southampton and you will undoubtedly have a rise in collisions. The exit point from the proposed site is simply far too close to the roundabout for drivers to safely three busy lanes of traffic, and there is no prospect of the exit being moved because of the geographical restrictions of the site. Furthermore, putting a fast food restaurant such as this on a busy pedestrian route for school children is grossly unhealthy and it is obscene of the developer to target children in this way (they have admittd as much in the planning documents). These are just two very sound reasons why this unhealthy and dangerous scheme will be rejected time and again, it has absolutely nothing to so with alleged NIMBYism.
It was a busy garage in the past, which didn't causes any further issues with traffic... The exit of the garage was right on the junction, which meant going anywhere other than Hythe (left) or Ashurst (ahead) was the only options to the emerging drivers with any sense. But it did very well.
I can't see that this drive thru would be any different...
Surely it is better to have a site in use looking nice, with staff that collects the rubbish dropped, over and above their own, is an improvement over the disused and derelict site, with the kids rubbish constantly blowing about in the wind...
65 jobs badly needed , if they scrap the scheme, and build locally, I hope they don't employ people from the Totton and rushington area to teach them a lesson
As a local , people do not want this, but our wishes will be ignored.
This roundabout is bad enough without hundreds of vehicles pulling in and out all day.
As for picking up the rubbish, this will happen for a short time and then be ignored, the council should impose strict fines on people dropping litter, if they can afford a takeawy they can afford the fine.
Actually as a LOCAL I do not object to this scheme as it will bring jobs to the area.
As for the head teacher of Hounsdown School going on about the dangerous roads there are already enough pedestrian crossings around this site already.
Also one poster said about unhealthy food near a school. What about Burger King INSIDE Southampton General Hospital.
[quote][p][bold]boilerman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Anyone who regularly drives through this busy junction will know how quickly congested it becomes already, throw vehicles into the mix leaving this proposed development and trying to do a u turn at the roundabout to head back into Totton or Southampton and you will undoubtedly have a rise in collisions. The exit point from the proposed site is simply far too close to the roundabout for drivers to safely three busy lanes of traffic, and there is no prospect of the exit being moved because of the geographical restrictions of the site. Furthermore, putting a fast food restaurant such as this on a busy pedestrian route for school children is grossly unhealthy and it is obscene of the developer to target children in this way (they have admittd as much in the planning documents). These are just two very sound reasons why this unhealthy and dangerous scheme will be rejected time and again, it has absolutely nothing to so with alleged NIMBYism.[/p][/quote]It was a busy garage in the past, which didn't causes any further issues with traffic... The exit of the garage was right on the junction, which meant going anywhere other than Hythe (left) or Ashurst (ahead) was the only options to the emerging drivers with any sense. But it did very well. I can't see that this drive thru would be any different... Surely it is better to have a site in use looking nice, with staff that collects the rubbish dropped, over and above their own, is an improvement over the disused and derelict site, with the kids rubbish constantly blowing about in the wind... 65 jobs badly needed , if they scrap the scheme, and build locally, I hope they don't employ people from the Totton and rushington area to teach them a lesson[/p][/quote]As a local , people do not want this, but our wishes will be ignored. This roundabout is bad enough without hundreds of vehicles pulling in and out all day. As for picking up the rubbish, this will happen for a short time and then be ignored, the council should impose strict fines on people dropping litter, if they can afford a takeawy they can afford the fine.[/p][/quote]Actually as a LOCAL I do not object to this scheme as it will bring jobs to the area. As for the head teacher of Hounsdown School going on about the dangerous roads there are already enough pedestrian crossings around this site already. Also one poster said about unhealthy food near a school. What about Burger King INSIDE Southampton General Hospital. legod7
  • Score: 2

1:26pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Totton_Saint_Andy says...

sotonbusdriver wrote:
Forest Resident wrote: Anyone who regularly drives through this busy junction will know how quickly congested it becomes already, throw vehicles into the mix leaving this proposed development and trying to do a u turn at the roundabout to head back into Totton or Southampton and you will undoubtedly have a rise in collisions. The exit point from the proposed site is simply far too close to the roundabout for drivers to safely three busy lanes of traffic, and there is no prospect of the exit being moved because of the geographical restrictions of the site. Furthermore, putting a fast food restaurant such as this on a busy pedestrian route for school children is grossly unhealthy and it is obscene of the developer to target children in this way (they have admittd as much in the planning documents). These are just two very sound reasons why this unhealthy and dangerous scheme will be rejected time and again, it has absolutely nothing to so with alleged NIMBYism.
It was a busy garage in the past, which didn't causes any further issues with traffic... The exit of the garage was right on the junction, which meant going anywhere other than Hythe (left) or Ashurst (ahead) was the only options to the emerging drivers with any sense. But it did very well. I can't see that this drive thru would be any different... Surely it is better to have a site in use looking nice, with staff that collects the rubbish dropped, over and above their own, is an improvement over the disused and derelict site, with the kids rubbish constantly blowing about in the wind... 65 jobs badly needed , if they scrap the scheme, and build locally, I hope they don't employ people from the Totton and rushington area to teach them a lesson
The site is already in use as a Car Dealership (Ridgeway). On the site previously was an Esso garage and Hampshire Garden Machinery were based there. There are already enough collisions (and overturning lorries) that occur on the roundabout. The primary reason for my objection to this scheme would be because of the safety implications on the junctions and road crossings that would be directly affected. Being a bus driver, I would have thought you'd be familiar with the local geography of such a busy and well used road. The 65 jobs should all go to people living within a 2 mile radius.
[quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Anyone who regularly drives through this busy junction will know how quickly congested it becomes already, throw vehicles into the mix leaving this proposed development and trying to do a u turn at the roundabout to head back into Totton or Southampton and you will undoubtedly have a rise in collisions. The exit point from the proposed site is simply far too close to the roundabout for drivers to safely three busy lanes of traffic, and there is no prospect of the exit being moved because of the geographical restrictions of the site. Furthermore, putting a fast food restaurant such as this on a busy pedestrian route for school children is grossly unhealthy and it is obscene of the developer to target children in this way (they have admittd as much in the planning documents). These are just two very sound reasons why this unhealthy and dangerous scheme will be rejected time and again, it has absolutely nothing to so with alleged NIMBYism.[/p][/quote]It was a busy garage in the past, which didn't causes any further issues with traffic... The exit of the garage was right on the junction, which meant going anywhere other than Hythe (left) or Ashurst (ahead) was the only options to the emerging drivers with any sense. But it did very well. I can't see that this drive thru would be any different... Surely it is better to have a site in use looking nice, with staff that collects the rubbish dropped, over and above their own, is an improvement over the disused and derelict site, with the kids rubbish constantly blowing about in the wind... 65 jobs badly needed , if they scrap the scheme, and build locally, I hope they don't employ people from the Totton and rushington area to teach them a lesson[/p][/quote]The site is already in use as a Car Dealership (Ridgeway). On the site previously was an Esso garage and Hampshire Garden Machinery were based there. There are already enough collisions (and overturning lorries) that occur on the roundabout. The primary reason for my objection to this scheme would be because of the safety implications on the junctions and road crossings that would be directly affected. Being a bus driver, I would have thought you'd be familiar with the local geography of such a busy and well used road. The 65 jobs should all go to people living within a 2 mile radius. Totton_Saint_Andy
  • Score: 4

4:19pm Thu 13 Feb 14

The Mad Dog says...

sotonbusdriver wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
Anyone who regularly drives through this busy junction will know how quickly congested it becomes already, throw vehicles into the mix leaving this proposed development and trying to do a u turn at the roundabout to head back into Totton or Southampton and you will undoubtedly have a rise in collisions. The exit point from the proposed site is simply far too close to the roundabout for drivers to safely three busy lanes of traffic, and there is no prospect of the exit being moved because of the geographical restrictions of the site. Furthermore, putting a fast food restaurant such as this on a busy pedestrian route for school children is grossly unhealthy and it is obscene of the developer to target children in this way (they have admittd as much in the planning documents). These are just two very sound reasons why this unhealthy and dangerous scheme will be rejected time and again, it has absolutely nothing to so with alleged NIMBYism.
It was a busy garage in the past, which didn't causes any further issues with traffic... The exit of the garage was right on the junction, which meant going anywhere other than Hythe (left) or Ashurst (ahead) was the only options to the emerging drivers with any sense. But it did very well.
I can't see that this drive thru would be any different...
Surely it is better to have a site in use looking nice, with staff that collects the rubbish dropped, over and above their own, is an improvement over the disused and derelict site, with the kids rubbish constantly blowing about in the wind...
65 jobs badly needed , if they scrap the scheme, and build locally, I hope they don't employ people from the Totton and rushington area to teach them a lesson
'staff collecting rubbish dropped...'
Hang on, its a "drive thru", any rubbish will be approx 3 miles down the road where it is chucked out of the car window when the morons have finished eating. Exactly the same as it is now with the rubbish from the "drive thru" in Millbrook, just a but further on.
[quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Anyone who regularly drives through this busy junction will know how quickly congested it becomes already, throw vehicles into the mix leaving this proposed development and trying to do a u turn at the roundabout to head back into Totton or Southampton and you will undoubtedly have a rise in collisions. The exit point from the proposed site is simply far too close to the roundabout for drivers to safely three busy lanes of traffic, and there is no prospect of the exit being moved because of the geographical restrictions of the site. Furthermore, putting a fast food restaurant such as this on a busy pedestrian route for school children is grossly unhealthy and it is obscene of the developer to target children in this way (they have admittd as much in the planning documents). These are just two very sound reasons why this unhealthy and dangerous scheme will be rejected time and again, it has absolutely nothing to so with alleged NIMBYism.[/p][/quote]It was a busy garage in the past, which didn't causes any further issues with traffic... The exit of the garage was right on the junction, which meant going anywhere other than Hythe (left) or Ashurst (ahead) was the only options to the emerging drivers with any sense. But it did very well. I can't see that this drive thru would be any different... Surely it is better to have a site in use looking nice, with staff that collects the rubbish dropped, over and above their own, is an improvement over the disused and derelict site, with the kids rubbish constantly blowing about in the wind... 65 jobs badly needed , if they scrap the scheme, and build locally, I hope they don't employ people from the Totton and rushington area to teach them a lesson[/p][/quote]'staff collecting rubbish dropped...' Hang on, its a "drive thru", any rubbish will be approx 3 miles down the road where it is chucked out of the car window when the morons have finished eating. Exactly the same as it is now with the rubbish from the "drive thru" in Millbrook, just a but further on. The Mad Dog
  • Score: 2

8:50am Fri 14 Feb 14

Writers Cramp says...

sotonbusdriver wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
Anyone who regularly drives through this busy junction will know how quickly congested it becomes already, throw vehicles into the mix leaving this proposed development and trying to do a u turn at the roundabout to head back into Totton or Southampton and you will undoubtedly have a rise in collisions. The exit point from the proposed site is simply far too close to the roundabout for drivers to safely three busy lanes of traffic, and there is no prospect of the exit being moved because of the geographical restrictions of the site. Furthermore, putting a fast food restaurant such as this on a busy pedestrian route for school children is grossly unhealthy and it is obscene of the developer to target children in this way (they have admittd as much in the planning documents). These are just two very sound reasons why this unhealthy and dangerous scheme will be rejected time and again, it has absolutely nothing to so with alleged NIMBYism.
It was a busy garage in the past, which didn't causes any further issues with traffic... The exit of the garage was right on the junction, which meant going anywhere other than Hythe (left) or Ashurst (ahead) was the only options to the emerging drivers with any sense. But it did very well.
I can't see that this drive thru would be any different...
Surely it is better to have a site in use looking nice, with staff that collects the rubbish dropped, over and above their own, is an improvement over the disused and derelict site, with the kids rubbish constantly blowing about in the wind...
65 jobs badly needed , if they scrap the scheme, and build locally, I hope they don't employ people from the Totton and rushington area to teach them a lesson
One reason the garage closed is due to danger - There are not enough parking spaces on site to ensure queues don't back on to the roundabout, nor are there delivery spaces for large lorries - creating definite queues back to the roundabout. If this is passed - it will produce a death - can Councillors really have this on their conscience - or are they even bothered !
[quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Anyone who regularly drives through this busy junction will know how quickly congested it becomes already, throw vehicles into the mix leaving this proposed development and trying to do a u turn at the roundabout to head back into Totton or Southampton and you will undoubtedly have a rise in collisions. The exit point from the proposed site is simply far too close to the roundabout for drivers to safely three busy lanes of traffic, and there is no prospect of the exit being moved because of the geographical restrictions of the site. Furthermore, putting a fast food restaurant such as this on a busy pedestrian route for school children is grossly unhealthy and it is obscene of the developer to target children in this way (they have admittd as much in the planning documents). These are just two very sound reasons why this unhealthy and dangerous scheme will be rejected time and again, it has absolutely nothing to so with alleged NIMBYism.[/p][/quote]It was a busy garage in the past, which didn't causes any further issues with traffic... The exit of the garage was right on the junction, which meant going anywhere other than Hythe (left) or Ashurst (ahead) was the only options to the emerging drivers with any sense. But it did very well. I can't see that this drive thru would be any different... Surely it is better to have a site in use looking nice, with staff that collects the rubbish dropped, over and above their own, is an improvement over the disused and derelict site, with the kids rubbish constantly blowing about in the wind... 65 jobs badly needed , if they scrap the scheme, and build locally, I hope they don't employ people from the Totton and rushington area to teach them a lesson[/p][/quote]One reason the garage closed is due to danger - There are not enough parking spaces on site to ensure queues don't back on to the roundabout, nor are there delivery spaces for large lorries - creating definite queues back to the roundabout. If this is passed - it will produce a death - can Councillors really have this on their conscience - or are they even bothered ! Writers Cramp
  • Score: -1

8:56am Fri 14 Feb 14

Writers Cramp says...

The objection is simple - and not just from local residents. The roundabout is simply not able to cope with more traffic - traffic queuing to get in to a slip road close to a pedestrian crossing - close to the roundabout. Buses at the nearby stop already have to cross 3 lanes to go round the roundabout - let alone wait for cars to exit the proposed development - It simply will become a death trap.
Ms Turvey from Hounsdown school is right - and her parents who also object are right. Planning officers have rejected two applications and the Councillors have on both occasions seen sense. The outcome has to be the same as the scheme has - even by being varied - not changed. Nothing changed - same outcome - common sense. Safety of people first.
The objection is simple - and not just from local residents. The roundabout is simply not able to cope with more traffic - traffic queuing to get in to a slip road close to a pedestrian crossing - close to the roundabout. Buses at the nearby stop already have to cross 3 lanes to go round the roundabout - let alone wait for cars to exit the proposed development - It simply will become a death trap. Ms Turvey from Hounsdown school is right - and her parents who also object are right. Planning officers have rejected two applications and the Councillors have on both occasions seen sense. The outcome has to be the same as the scheme has - even by being varied - not changed. Nothing changed - same outcome - common sense. Safety of people first. Writers Cramp
  • Score: 0

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