£14m cuts approved by Southampton City Council described as 'hatchet job' by Tories

£14m cuts approved by Southampton City Council described as 'hatchet job' by Tories

Southampton Civic Centre was the scene of a heated budget-setting meeting.

Council leader Simon Letts said Southampton had been hit disproportionately hard by government spending cuts.

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Political reporter

The axe has come crashing down on £14.4m of services at Southampton City Council - to cries of “shame”, accusations of hypocrisy and claims of a “hatchet job”.

At a heated meeting, Labour council bosses approved their budget for 2014/15, which will also see council tax rise by 1.99 per cent and almost 100 jobs go.

And at the meeting yesterday there were fresh warnings that it is set to get much worse before it gets better for the city’s embattled finances.

Council bosses at the Civic Centre have already had to find £57m of savings in the past three years.

And the outlook is gloomy for the next few years, with an estimated £54.7m needing to be found by 2016/17.

Labour chiefs have staved off the deepest cuts to frontline services for this year, but with a huge savings target of £30m for 2015/16 it looks increasingly unlikely that they will be able to do so for a second year.

At the meeting leader Cllr Simon Letts attacked continuing Government spending cuts to the city. In particular he said that the city had been “disproportionately” hit in comparison to more affluent authorities, saying that Southampton had received Government grant cuts of £148 per head, as opposed to £27 per person in Winchester.

‘Minimum losses’ Claiming that his party had concentrated on making efficiencies in every department’s budget to avoid the worst cuts, he said: “This is an excellent budget with minimum job losses and minimum service reduction.”

But finance boss Cllr Stephen Barnes-Andrews admitted that there was a “huge challenge” ahead, while Labour colleague Cllr Chris Hammond said: “We cannot pretend that things can continue as though it is business as usual.”

They defended Labour’s record in office, with Cllr Hammond adding: “As an administration there is much to be proud about in this budget, and I think Labour can be proud about what it has achieved.

“I’m not saying there aren’t tough choices which have to be made in this budget, and sadly some people will be losing their jobs.”

While many of the positions lost through this year’s cuts are vacant or will go through voluntary redundancies, 35 people are set to be made redundant.

The opposition parties lined up to attack Labour and the budget, with Conservative finance spokesman Cllr John Hannides saying that Labour had done a “hatchet job” on services.

He added: “We have salami slicing of services and chopping at departmental budgets – there is no clear strategy.”

Declaring the Conservatives the “party of the people” he said that his party would have frozen council tax if in power.

He also said that his party would reverse cuts to the City Patrol and out-of-hours noise response service, while raising funds by selling some of the city’s artwork, sharing more services with neighbouring authorities and reducing the number of councillors by a third.

His group leader, Cllr Royston Smith, accused Labour of hypocrisy in increasing the size of its Cabinet by 50 per cent while reducing the size of the council’s workforce.

Putting People First spelled out a bleak message for the city’s finances, with group leader Keith Morrell saying: “This budget has squeezed every efficiency out of department budgets.

“In future there will be nowhere for this council to hide.

“This year we have saved almost £15m, next year we are going to have to find £30m and there is nothing further that can be cut without brutalising frontline services and I’m afraid that is what we will see next year.”

The Liberal Democrats were the only party to put forward an official alternative budget, which featured proposals to make 20 fewer redundancies, reverse cuts to street cleaning, bus services and out of hours noise services, and save the City Patrol.

Group leader Cllr Adrian Vinson said that his party’s proposals would help to support the city’s vulnerable people and minimise service reductions, saying that the proposals were “radical, fair and responsible”.

But his group’s alternative budget was defeated.

And, as a single shout of “shame on you” came down from the public gallery, Labour councillors unanimously voted to approve their budget, which will now come into force on April 1.

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11:37am Thu 13 Feb 14

KSO16R says...

Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.
Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face. KSO16R
  • Score: -7

11:38am Thu 13 Feb 14

sotonboy84 says...

They're both as bad as each other. Letts' round of cuts is due to the previous Labour government's spending what they didn't have and Hannides thinks he can stop cuts by selling off the city's art. It can't be done, the art has strict trust conditions and it can only be sold if it benefits the collection 100% and cannot be used to fund other services and council inefficiencies. Letts tried too, and failed.
They're both as bad as each other. Letts' round of cuts is due to the previous Labour government's spending what they didn't have and Hannides thinks he can stop cuts by selling off the city's art. It can't be done, the art has strict trust conditions and it can only be sold if it benefits the collection 100% and cannot be used to fund other services and council inefficiencies. Letts tried too, and failed. sotonboy84
  • Score: 8

12:08pm Thu 13 Feb 14

sotonboy84 says...

KSO16R wrote:
Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.
Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.
[quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.[/p][/quote]Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute. sotonboy84
  • Score: 11

12:18pm Thu 13 Feb 14

southy says...

And at number 10 Dowing Street. Cameron address a press conference Telling the Media that Money is not object, which makes this austerity a lie as it was in the 80;s.
Cameron has undermined his claim that austerity means we must tolerate rising homelessness and poverty.
And at number 10 Dowing Street. Cameron address a press conference Telling the Media that Money is not object, which makes this austerity a lie as it was in the 80;s. Cameron has undermined his claim that austerity means we must tolerate rising homelessness and poverty. southy
  • Score: -6

12:20pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Bagamn says...

Hannides is the Councillor that sold off the sports facilities and landed us with the bill for the Sea Museum. We have long memories that Mr. Smith wishes we would forget his errors
Hannides is the Councillor that sold off the sports facilities and landed us with the bill for the Sea Museum. We have long memories that Mr. Smith wishes we would forget his errors Bagamn
  • Score: 1

12:20pm Thu 13 Feb 14

KSO16R says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.
Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.
Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.[/p][/quote]Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.[/p][/quote]Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle. KSO16R
  • Score: -7

12:21pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Lone Ranger. says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.
Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.
I am a hard working person ....... i dont think the Tories are for me.
.
But there again i wouldnt fit in as i am also ..... Caring about other people and consider other peoples misfortune and handicaps.
.
But there again if you are me, me, me, selfish and without compassion i would suggest that the Tory party is right up your street . ....... I think that you could be role model
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.[/p][/quote]Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.[/p][/quote]I am a hard working person ....... i dont think the Tories are for me. . But there again i wouldnt fit in as i am also ..... Caring about other people and consider other peoples misfortune and handicaps. . But there again if you are me, me, me, selfish and without compassion i would suggest that the Tory party is right up your street . ....... I think that you could be role model Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -7

12:25pm Thu 13 Feb 14

sotonboy84 says...

KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.
Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.
Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.
Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other.

There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?
[quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.[/p][/quote]Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.[/p][/quote]Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other. There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers? sotonboy84
  • Score: 7

12:26pm Thu 13 Feb 14

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
And at number 10 Dowing Street. Cameron address a press conference Telling the Media that Money is not object, which makes this austerity a lie as it was in the 80;s.
Cameron has undermined his claim that austerity means we must tolerate rising homelessness and poverty.
I think you'll find he was talking about the flood victims & flooded cities & villages so are you saying he should have said tough sort it yourselfs?
rising homelessness & poverty? so when we let this city go the TUSC way to bankruptcy & not just 100 but thousands of jobs go when all social housing ,sheltered housing has to be sold to pay off the creditors what there will be no homeless or no poverty?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And at number 10 Dowing Street. Cameron address a press conference Telling the Media that Money is not object, which makes this austerity a lie as it was in the 80;s. Cameron has undermined his claim that austerity means we must tolerate rising homelessness and poverty.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find he was talking about the flood victims & flooded cities & villages so are you saying he should have said tough sort it yourselfs? rising homelessness & poverty? so when we let this city go the TUSC way to bankruptcy & not just 100 but thousands of jobs go when all social housing ,sheltered housing has to be sold to pay off the creditors what there will be no homeless or no poverty? loosehead
  • Score: -2

12:26pm Thu 13 Feb 14

sotonboy84 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.
Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.
I am a hard working person ....... i dont think the Tories are for me.
.
But there again i wouldnt fit in as i am also ..... Caring about other people and consider other peoples misfortune and handicaps.
.
But there again if you are me, me, me, selfish and without compassion i would suggest that the Tory party is right up your street . ....... I think that you could be role model
Hard working? You could have fooled me. Sitting in your armchair full time and attacking people through a local news site to get your kicks rather than proactively doing something is hardly hard work.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.[/p][/quote]Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.[/p][/quote]I am a hard working person ....... i dont think the Tories are for me. . But there again i wouldnt fit in as i am also ..... Caring about other people and consider other peoples misfortune and handicaps. . But there again if you are me, me, me, selfish and without compassion i would suggest that the Tory party is right up your street . ....... I think that you could be role model[/p][/quote]Hard working? You could have fooled me. Sitting in your armchair full time and attacking people through a local news site to get your kicks rather than proactively doing something is hardly hard work. sotonboy84
  • Score: 10

12:36pm Thu 13 Feb 14

KSO16R says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.
Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.
Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.
Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other.

There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?
Please give a definition of a hard working person.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.[/p][/quote]Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.[/p][/quote]Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other. There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?[/p][/quote]Please give a definition of a hard working person. KSO16R
  • Score: -8

12:37pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Lone Ranger. says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.
Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.
I am a hard working person ....... i dont think the Tories are for me.
.
But there again i wouldnt fit in as i am also ..... Caring about other people and consider other peoples misfortune and handicaps.
.
But there again if you are me, me, me, selfish and without compassion i would suggest that the Tory party is right up your street . ....... I think that you could be role model
Hard working? You could have fooled me. Sitting in your armchair full time and attacking people through a local news site to get your kicks rather than proactively doing something is hardly hard work.
As i thought ...... you really dont know me at all. ..... and i think that you will find that you out post everyone else on this site
.
At least you didnt correct me on anything ..... so i guess i got that 100%.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.[/p][/quote]Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.[/p][/quote]I am a hard working person ....... i dont think the Tories are for me. . But there again i wouldnt fit in as i am also ..... Caring about other people and consider other peoples misfortune and handicaps. . But there again if you are me, me, me, selfish and without compassion i would suggest that the Tory party is right up your street . ....... I think that you could be role model[/p][/quote]Hard working? You could have fooled me. Sitting in your armchair full time and attacking people through a local news site to get your kicks rather than proactively doing something is hardly hard work.[/p][/quote]As i thought ...... you really dont know me at all. ..... and i think that you will find that you out post everyone else on this site . At least you didnt correct me on anything ..... so i guess i got that 100%. Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -7

12:37pm Thu 13 Feb 14

loosehead says...

The last Tory council took the hard decisions they handed it on a plate to Labour & Labour c+cked it up.
No matter if you agreed with them the cut in pay not hitting low earners & actually giving them a pay rise & the end starting wage of £22,000 with cuts starting at 2% going up to 5.5% the same cut Tory & Liberal councillors took meant that £14-20million could be saved each year.
Labour restored that pay even though they knew we couldn't afford to do it & even after that they paid for those legal actions to the union members?
Then they cut low paid jobs so looking after the well paid council staff?
They had a deal with the Island all ready to go they scrapped it even though it would have saved both councils millions?
so with both of these put in place only small cuts needed to happen over the last two years to offset the big cut next time around so why did they restore pay? scrap a lucrative deal with another council?
Then increase the size of the council cabinet so increasing the councillor wage bill?
It's all politics! cut services cut jobs & cry "it's not our fault it's the government" so to get our votes they're charging us more council tax to give the council workers a pay rise & they're scrapping services & jobs is this what they promised before the last local elections?
They saw the predicted cuts over these years of over £45million so they knew what was to come yet for political reasons went ahead & appeased their union masters
The last Tory council took the hard decisions they handed it on a plate to Labour & Labour c+cked it up. No matter if you agreed with them the cut in pay not hitting low earners & actually giving them a pay rise & the end starting wage of £22,000 with cuts starting at 2% going up to 5.5% the same cut Tory & Liberal councillors took meant that £14-20million could be saved each year. Labour restored that pay even though they knew we couldn't afford to do it & even after that they paid for those legal actions to the union members? Then they cut low paid jobs so looking after the well paid council staff? They had a deal with the Island all ready to go they scrapped it even though it would have saved both councils millions? so with both of these put in place only small cuts needed to happen over the last two years to offset the big cut next time around so why did they restore pay? scrap a lucrative deal with another council? Then increase the size of the council cabinet so increasing the councillor wage bill? It's all politics! cut services cut jobs & cry "it's not our fault it's the government" so to get our votes they're charging us more council tax to give the council workers a pay rise & they're scrapping services & jobs is this what they promised before the last local elections? They saw the predicted cuts over these years of over £45million so they knew what was to come yet for political reasons went ahead & appeased their union masters loosehead
  • Score: 4

12:39pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Lone Ranger. says...

KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.
Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.
Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.
Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other.

There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?
Please give a definition of a hard working person.
I doubt if he has one ........ He has Compulsive Posting Disorder
[quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.[/p][/quote]Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.[/p][/quote]Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other. There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?[/p][/quote]Please give a definition of a hard working person.[/p][/quote]I doubt if he has one ........ He has Compulsive Posting Disorder Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -14

12:43pm Thu 13 Feb 14

sotonboy84 says...

KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.
Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.
Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.
Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other.

There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?
Please give a definition of a hard working person.
Somebody who has ambition and and determination to go to work/paid employment, contribute to the UK economy by paying tax and providing for themselves.
[quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.[/p][/quote]Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.[/p][/quote]Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other. There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?[/p][/quote]Please give a definition of a hard working person.[/p][/quote]Somebody who has ambition and and determination to go to work/paid employment, contribute to the UK economy by paying tax and providing for themselves. sotonboy84
  • Score: 9

12:44pm Thu 13 Feb 14

KSO16R says...

'Liberal democrates were the only other party to put forward an official alternative proposal' were the tories and others only there to vote no ?
'Liberal democrates were the only other party to put forward an official alternative proposal' were the tories and others only there to vote no ? KSO16R
  • Score: -7

12:47pm Thu 13 Feb 14

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
And at number 10 Dowing Street. Cameron address a press conference Telling the Media that Money is not object, which makes this austerity a lie as it was in the 80;s.
Cameron has undermined his claim that austerity means we must tolerate rising homelessness and poverty.
I think you'll find he was talking about the flood victims & flooded cities & villages so are you saying he should have said tough sort it yourselfs?
rising homelessness & poverty? so when we let this city go the TUSC way to bankruptcy & not just 100 but thousands of jobs go when all social housing ,sheltered housing has to be sold to pay off the creditors what there will be no homeless or no poverty?
yes he was but if money for flood victims (and I believe we should give them as much help as possible) is no object and he have not ask the EU or the world for help, Then we have been lied to by this government big time and austerity becomes a lie. we have plenty of finances to not have any sort of austerity program, and its becomes a deliberate program to divert finances to the very few who don't need it'
Think about it loose, even UKIP have pick up on this one also, it was only the TUSC and New Statesman that pick up on it yesterday, UKIP pick up on it this morning,
This austerity program is killing people, really people are dieing because of it
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And at number 10 Dowing Street. Cameron address a press conference Telling the Media that Money is not object, which makes this austerity a lie as it was in the 80;s. Cameron has undermined his claim that austerity means we must tolerate rising homelessness and poverty.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find he was talking about the flood victims & flooded cities & villages so are you saying he should have said tough sort it yourselfs? rising homelessness & poverty? so when we let this city go the TUSC way to bankruptcy & not just 100 but thousands of jobs go when all social housing ,sheltered housing has to be sold to pay off the creditors what there will be no homeless or no poverty?[/p][/quote]yes he was but if money for flood victims (and I believe we should give them as much help as possible) is no object and he have not ask the EU or the world for help, Then we have been lied to by this government big time and austerity becomes a lie. we have plenty of finances to not have any sort of austerity program, and its becomes a deliberate program to divert finances to the very few who don't need it' Think about it loose, even UKIP have pick up on this one also, it was only the TUSC and New Statesman that pick up on it yesterday, UKIP pick up on it this morning, This austerity program is killing people, really people are dieing because of it southy
  • Score: -7

12:54pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Outside of the Box says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.
Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.
Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.
Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other.

There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?
3000 people are employed nationwide to tackle benefit fraud.
300 people are employed nationwide to tackle tax avoidance and tax fraud.
Yes they may being tackled but the numbers employed to do the job clearly shows where this Governments priorities lay.

I do not for the life of me understand how people can defend Hannides and Smith record, they sold out to Capita reference GS1 also the contract that the current administration have renegotiated (cheaper) with Capita I'm not going to mention Sea City Museum or the longest industrial action this city has seen in years.

As a city we skint, cuts have been made by Fat Eric and his mate George, instead of offering us or the current administration any concrete alternative to the Labour budget, the Tories in Southampton offered nothing apart from headline grabbing rhetoric.

Yes some will say its not their job to offer budgets, however if they really cared about the people of this city they could have at least offered up something, you never the Labour lot might have said Yes we can use that bit.

Southampton City Councillors need to grow up and put the people of the city 1st and not their respective parties.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.[/p][/quote]Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.[/p][/quote]Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other. There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?[/p][/quote]3000 people are employed nationwide to tackle benefit fraud. 300 people are employed nationwide to tackle tax avoidance and tax fraud. Yes they may being tackled but the numbers employed to do the job clearly shows where this Governments priorities lay. I do not for the life of me understand how people can defend Hannides and Smith record, they sold out to Capita reference GS1 also the contract that the current administration have renegotiated (cheaper) with Capita I'm not going to mention Sea City Museum or the longest industrial action this city has seen in years. As a city we skint, cuts have been made by Fat Eric and his mate George, instead of offering us or the current administration any concrete alternative to the Labour budget, the Tories in Southampton offered nothing apart from headline grabbing rhetoric. Yes some will say its not their job to offer budgets, however if they really cared about the people of this city they could have at least offered up something, you never the Labour lot might have said Yes we can use that bit. Southampton City Councillors need to grow up and put the people of the city 1st and not their respective parties. Outside of the Box
  • Score: -1

12:55pm Thu 13 Feb 14

KSO16R says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.
Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.
Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.
Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other.

There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?
Please give a definition of a hard working person.
Somebody who has ambition and and determination to go to work/paid employment, contribute to the UK economy by paying tax and providing for themselves.
There are many different ways to work hard and 'pay your way', making a valuable contribution to the communities we live in. It's not just about paying or taking 'tax pounds'
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.[/p][/quote]Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.[/p][/quote]Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other. There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?[/p][/quote]Please give a definition of a hard working person.[/p][/quote]Somebody who has ambition and and determination to go to work/paid employment, contribute to the UK economy by paying tax and providing for themselves.[/p][/quote]There are many different ways to work hard and 'pay your way', making a valuable contribution to the communities we live in. It's not just about paying or taking 'tax pounds' KSO16R
  • Score: -5

12:56pm Thu 13 Feb 14

sotonboy84 says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
And at number 10 Dowing Street. Cameron address a press conference Telling the Media that Money is not object, which makes this austerity a lie as it was in the 80;s.
Cameron has undermined his claim that austerity means we must tolerate rising homelessness and poverty.
I think you'll find he was talking about the flood victims & flooded cities & villages so are you saying he should have said tough sort it yourselfs?
rising homelessness & poverty? so when we let this city go the TUSC way to bankruptcy & not just 100 but thousands of jobs go when all social housing ,sheltered housing has to be sold to pay off the creditors what there will be no homeless or no poverty?
yes he was but if money for flood victims (and I believe we should give them as much help as possible) is no object and he have not ask the EU or the world for help, Then we have been lied to by this government big time and austerity becomes a lie. we have plenty of finances to not have any sort of austerity program, and its becomes a deliberate program to divert finances to the very few who don't need it'
Think about it loose, even UKIP have pick up on this one also, it was only the TUSC and New Statesman that pick up on it yesterday, UKIP pick up on it this morning,
This austerity program is killing people, really people are dieing because of it
You're forgetting about the enormous debt that needs to be repaid and helping flood victims is more important than repaying this at the moment. It's not a case of the government having vast sums of money that they won't spend and will just keep making cuts to take more. It's about prioritising and the long term plan is to get this country out of the financial mess that it's in.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And at number 10 Dowing Street. Cameron address a press conference Telling the Media that Money is not object, which makes this austerity a lie as it was in the 80;s. Cameron has undermined his claim that austerity means we must tolerate rising homelessness and poverty.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find he was talking about the flood victims & flooded cities & villages so are you saying he should have said tough sort it yourselfs? rising homelessness & poverty? so when we let this city go the TUSC way to bankruptcy & not just 100 but thousands of jobs go when all social housing ,sheltered housing has to be sold to pay off the creditors what there will be no homeless or no poverty?[/p][/quote]yes he was but if money for flood victims (and I believe we should give them as much help as possible) is no object and he have not ask the EU or the world for help, Then we have been lied to by this government big time and austerity becomes a lie. we have plenty of finances to not have any sort of austerity program, and its becomes a deliberate program to divert finances to the very few who don't need it' Think about it loose, even UKIP have pick up on this one also, it was only the TUSC and New Statesman that pick up on it yesterday, UKIP pick up on it this morning, This austerity program is killing people, really people are dieing because of it[/p][/quote]You're forgetting about the enormous debt that needs to be repaid and helping flood victims is more important than repaying this at the moment. It's not a case of the government having vast sums of money that they won't spend and will just keep making cuts to take more. It's about prioritising and the long term plan is to get this country out of the financial mess that it's in. sotonboy84
  • Score: 13

1:00pm Thu 13 Feb 14

sotonboy84 says...

KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.
Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.
Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.
Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other.

There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?
Please give a definition of a hard working person.
Somebody who has ambition and and determination to go to work/paid employment, contribute to the UK economy by paying tax and providing for themselves.
There are many different ways to work hard and 'pay your way', making a valuable contribution to the communities we live in. It's not just about paying or taking 'tax pounds'
Well what is it then? You cannot be a contributing member to society because you pick litter up in your street or help an elderly neighbour AND claim benefits because you don't want to work, it doesn't balance out like that.

Hard working people pay tax and it's not fair that hard working people should subsidise the lives of those that are bone idle and would rather scrounge because they see that as the easy option.
[quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.[/p][/quote]Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.[/p][/quote]Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other. There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?[/p][/quote]Please give a definition of a hard working person.[/p][/quote]Somebody who has ambition and and determination to go to work/paid employment, contribute to the UK economy by paying tax and providing for themselves.[/p][/quote]There are many different ways to work hard and 'pay your way', making a valuable contribution to the communities we live in. It's not just about paying or taking 'tax pounds'[/p][/quote]Well what is it then? You cannot be a contributing member to society because you pick litter up in your street or help an elderly neighbour AND claim benefits because you don't want to work, it doesn't balance out like that. Hard working people pay tax and it's not fair that hard working people should subsidise the lives of those that are bone idle and would rather scrounge because they see that as the easy option. sotonboy84
  • Score: 9

1:02pm Thu 13 Feb 14

southy says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.
Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.
Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.
Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other.

There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?
Please give a definition of a hard working person.
Somebody who has ambition and and determination to go to work/paid employment, contribute to the UK economy by paying tax and providing for themselves.
Less than 1% of those claiming benefit are scroungers, where as in Tax avoidance 99% are paying little or no tax and are costing the country over £180 billion in lost tax revenue and nothing is being done about it apart from giving them even bigger help in tax breaks, people who claim benefit do so because they don't have a choice, where as with tax avoidance they do have a choice of paying the full amount of tax. its one set of rules for the super rich (who are the 2% of the population) and another set of rules for the rest
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.[/p][/quote]Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.[/p][/quote]Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other. There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?[/p][/quote]Please give a definition of a hard working person.[/p][/quote]Somebody who has ambition and and determination to go to work/paid employment, contribute to the UK economy by paying tax and providing for themselves.[/p][/quote]Less than 1% of those claiming benefit are scroungers, where as in Tax avoidance 99% are paying little or no tax and are costing the country over £180 billion in lost tax revenue and nothing is being done about it apart from giving them even bigger help in tax breaks, people who claim benefit do so because they don't have a choice, where as with tax avoidance they do have a choice of paying the full amount of tax. its one set of rules for the super rich (who are the 2% of the population) and another set of rules for the rest southy
  • Score: -10

1:05pm Thu 13 Feb 14

southy says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
And at number 10 Dowing Street. Cameron address a press conference Telling the Media that Money is not object, which makes this austerity a lie as it was in the 80;s.
Cameron has undermined his claim that austerity means we must tolerate rising homelessness and poverty.
I think you'll find he was talking about the flood victims & flooded cities & villages so are you saying he should have said tough sort it yourselfs?
rising homelessness & poverty? so when we let this city go the TUSC way to bankruptcy & not just 100 but thousands of jobs go when all social housing ,sheltered housing has to be sold to pay off the creditors what there will be no homeless or no poverty?
yes he was but if money for flood victims (and I believe we should give them as much help as possible) is no object and he have not ask the EU or the world for help, Then we have been lied to by this government big time and austerity becomes a lie. we have plenty of finances to not have any sort of austerity program, and its becomes a deliberate program to divert finances to the very few who don't need it'
Think about it loose, even UKIP have pick up on this one also, it was only the TUSC and New Statesman that pick up on it yesterday, UKIP pick up on it this morning,
This austerity program is killing people, really people are dieing because of it
You're forgetting about the enormous debt that needs to be repaid and helping flood victims is more important than repaying this at the moment. It's not a case of the government having vast sums of money that they won't spend and will just keep making cuts to take more. It's about prioritising and the long term plan is to get this country out of the financial mess that it's in.
No its not its all about diverting state money to the 2% of the riches population.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And at number 10 Dowing Street. Cameron address a press conference Telling the Media that Money is not object, which makes this austerity a lie as it was in the 80;s. Cameron has undermined his claim that austerity means we must tolerate rising homelessness and poverty.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find he was talking about the flood victims & flooded cities & villages so are you saying he should have said tough sort it yourselfs? rising homelessness & poverty? so when we let this city go the TUSC way to bankruptcy & not just 100 but thousands of jobs go when all social housing ,sheltered housing has to be sold to pay off the creditors what there will be no homeless or no poverty?[/p][/quote]yes he was but if money for flood victims (and I believe we should give them as much help as possible) is no object and he have not ask the EU or the world for help, Then we have been lied to by this government big time and austerity becomes a lie. we have plenty of finances to not have any sort of austerity program, and its becomes a deliberate program to divert finances to the very few who don't need it' Think about it loose, even UKIP have pick up on this one also, it was only the TUSC and New Statesman that pick up on it yesterday, UKIP pick up on it this morning, This austerity program is killing people, really people are dieing because of it[/p][/quote]You're forgetting about the enormous debt that needs to be repaid and helping flood victims is more important than repaying this at the moment. It's not a case of the government having vast sums of money that they won't spend and will just keep making cuts to take more. It's about prioritising and the long term plan is to get this country out of the financial mess that it's in.[/p][/quote]No its not its all about diverting state money to the 2% of the riches population. southy
  • Score: -8

1:06pm Thu 13 Feb 14

KSO16R says...

loosehead wrote:
The last Tory council took the hard decisions they handed it on a plate to Labour & Labour c+cked it up.
No matter if you agreed with them the cut in pay not hitting low earners & actually giving them a pay rise & the end starting wage of £22,000 with cuts starting at 2% going up to 5.5% the same cut Tory & Liberal councillors took meant that £14-20million could be saved each year.
Labour restored that pay even though they knew we couldn't afford to do it & even after that they paid for those legal actions to the union members?
Then they cut low paid jobs so looking after the well paid council staff?
They had a deal with the Island all ready to go they scrapped it even though it would have saved both councils millions?
so with both of these put in place only small cuts needed to happen over the last two years to offset the big cut next time around so why did they restore pay? scrap a lucrative deal with another council?
Then increase the size of the council cabinet so increasing the councillor wage bill?
It's all politics! cut services cut jobs & cry "it's not our fault it's the government" so to get our votes they're charging us more council tax to give the council workers a pay rise & they're scrapping services & jobs is this what they promised before the last local elections?
They saw the predicted cuts over these years of over £45million so they knew what was to come yet for political reasons went ahead & appeased their union masters
Loosehead, I losethethread of your posts and so often the stats you present are incorrect. Try keep it short and simple
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: The last Tory council took the hard decisions they handed it on a plate to Labour & Labour c+cked it up. No matter if you agreed with them the cut in pay not hitting low earners & actually giving them a pay rise & the end starting wage of £22,000 with cuts starting at 2% going up to 5.5% the same cut Tory & Liberal councillors took meant that £14-20million could be saved each year. Labour restored that pay even though they knew we couldn't afford to do it & even after that they paid for those legal actions to the union members? Then they cut low paid jobs so looking after the well paid council staff? They had a deal with the Island all ready to go they scrapped it even though it would have saved both councils millions? so with both of these put in place only small cuts needed to happen over the last two years to offset the big cut next time around so why did they restore pay? scrap a lucrative deal with another council? Then increase the size of the council cabinet so increasing the councillor wage bill? It's all politics! cut services cut jobs & cry "it's not our fault it's the government" so to get our votes they're charging us more council tax to give the council workers a pay rise & they're scrapping services & jobs is this what they promised before the last local elections? They saw the predicted cuts over these years of over £45million so they knew what was to come yet for political reasons went ahead & appeased their union masters[/p][/quote]Loosehead, I losethethread of your posts and so often the stats you present are incorrect. Try keep it short and simple KSO16R
  • Score: -11

1:08pm Thu 13 Feb 14

KSO16R says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.
Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.
Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.
Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other.

There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?
Please give a definition of a hard working person.
Somebody who has ambition and and determination to go to work/paid employment, contribute to the UK economy by paying tax and providing for themselves.
There are many different ways to work hard and 'pay your way', making a valuable contribution to the communities we live in. It's not just about paying or taking 'tax pounds'
Well what is it then? You cannot be a contributing member to society because you pick litter up in your street or help an elderly neighbour AND claim benefits because you don't want to work, it doesn't balance out like that.

Hard working people pay tax and it's not fair that hard working people should subsidise the lives of those that are bone idle and would rather scrounge because they see that as the easy option.
Your sounding irrational now.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.[/p][/quote]Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.[/p][/quote]Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other. There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?[/p][/quote]Please give a definition of a hard working person.[/p][/quote]Somebody who has ambition and and determination to go to work/paid employment, contribute to the UK economy by paying tax and providing for themselves.[/p][/quote]There are many different ways to work hard and 'pay your way', making a valuable contribution to the communities we live in. It's not just about paying or taking 'tax pounds'[/p][/quote]Well what is it then? You cannot be a contributing member to society because you pick litter up in your street or help an elderly neighbour AND claim benefits because you don't want to work, it doesn't balance out like that. Hard working people pay tax and it's not fair that hard working people should subsidise the lives of those that are bone idle and would rather scrounge because they see that as the easy option.[/p][/quote]Your sounding irrational now. KSO16R
  • Score: -9

1:08pm Thu 13 Feb 14

KSO16R says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.
Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.
Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.
Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other.

There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?
Please give a definition of a hard working person.
Somebody who has ambition and and determination to go to work/paid employment, contribute to the UK economy by paying tax and providing for themselves.
There are many different ways to work hard and 'pay your way', making a valuable contribution to the communities we live in. It's not just about paying or taking 'tax pounds'
Well what is it then? You cannot be a contributing member to society because you pick litter up in your street or help an elderly neighbour AND claim benefits because you don't want to work, it doesn't balance out like that.

Hard working people pay tax and it's not fair that hard working people should subsidise the lives of those that are bone idle and would rather scrounge because they see that as the easy option.
Your sounding irrational now.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.[/p][/quote]Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.[/p][/quote]Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other. There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?[/p][/quote]Please give a definition of a hard working person.[/p][/quote]Somebody who has ambition and and determination to go to work/paid employment, contribute to the UK economy by paying tax and providing for themselves.[/p][/quote]There are many different ways to work hard and 'pay your way', making a valuable contribution to the communities we live in. It's not just about paying or taking 'tax pounds'[/p][/quote]Well what is it then? You cannot be a contributing member to society because you pick litter up in your street or help an elderly neighbour AND claim benefits because you don't want to work, it doesn't balance out like that. Hard working people pay tax and it's not fair that hard working people should subsidise the lives of those that are bone idle and would rather scrounge because they see that as the easy option.[/p][/quote]Your sounding irrational now. KSO16R
  • Score: -10

1:14pm Thu 13 Feb 14

sotonboy84 says...

KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.
Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.
Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.
Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other.

There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?
Please give a definition of a hard working person.
Somebody who has ambition and and determination to go to work/paid employment, contribute to the UK economy by paying tax and providing for themselves.
There are many different ways to work hard and 'pay your way', making a valuable contribution to the communities we live in. It's not just about paying or taking 'tax pounds'
Well what is it then? You cannot be a contributing member to society because you pick litter up in your street or help an elderly neighbour AND claim benefits because you don't want to work, it doesn't balance out like that.

Hard working people pay tax and it's not fair that hard working people should subsidise the lives of those that are bone idle and would rather scrounge because they see that as the easy option.
Your sounding irrational now.
I'm sounding irrational?! Helping out in the community or similar is just an excuse for those that choose not to work as it convinces themselves that they are a decent person when they know they're just taking from others as they're lazy.

Ultimately, it's taxpayers that fund this country, including the lives of the bone idle so it's taxpayers that are contributing and not those that choose not to work.
[quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.[/p][/quote]Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.[/p][/quote]Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other. There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?[/p][/quote]Please give a definition of a hard working person.[/p][/quote]Somebody who has ambition and and determination to go to work/paid employment, contribute to the UK economy by paying tax and providing for themselves.[/p][/quote]There are many different ways to work hard and 'pay your way', making a valuable contribution to the communities we live in. It's not just about paying or taking 'tax pounds'[/p][/quote]Well what is it then? You cannot be a contributing member to society because you pick litter up in your street or help an elderly neighbour AND claim benefits because you don't want to work, it doesn't balance out like that. Hard working people pay tax and it's not fair that hard working people should subsidise the lives of those that are bone idle and would rather scrounge because they see that as the easy option.[/p][/quote]Your sounding irrational now.[/p][/quote]I'm sounding irrational?! Helping out in the community or similar is just an excuse for those that choose not to work as it convinces themselves that they are a decent person when they know they're just taking from others as they're lazy. Ultimately, it's taxpayers that fund this country, including the lives of the bone idle so it's taxpayers that are contributing and not those that choose not to work. sotonboy84
  • Score: 6

1:15pm Thu 13 Feb 14

sotonboy84 says...

southy wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.
Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.
Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.
Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other.

There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?
Please give a definition of a hard working person.
Somebody who has ambition and and determination to go to work/paid employment, contribute to the UK economy by paying tax and providing for themselves.
Less than 1% of those claiming benefit are scroungers, where as in Tax avoidance 99% are paying little or no tax and are costing the country over £180 billion in lost tax revenue and nothing is being done about it apart from giving them even bigger help in tax breaks, people who claim benefit do so because they don't have a choice, where as with tax avoidance they do have a choice of paying the full amount of tax. its one set of rules for the super rich (who are the 2% of the population) and another set of rules for the rest
Is that 99% of tax payers that pay little or no tax? Right-oh...
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.[/p][/quote]Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.[/p][/quote]Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other. There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?[/p][/quote]Please give a definition of a hard working person.[/p][/quote]Somebody who has ambition and and determination to go to work/paid employment, contribute to the UK economy by paying tax and providing for themselves.[/p][/quote]Less than 1% of those claiming benefit are scroungers, where as in Tax avoidance 99% are paying little or no tax and are costing the country over £180 billion in lost tax revenue and nothing is being done about it apart from giving them even bigger help in tax breaks, people who claim benefit do so because they don't have a choice, where as with tax avoidance they do have a choice of paying the full amount of tax. its one set of rules for the super rich (who are the 2% of the population) and another set of rules for the rest[/p][/quote]Is that 99% of tax payers that pay little or no tax? Right-oh... sotonboy84
  • Score: 8

2:38pm Thu 13 Feb 14

southy says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.
Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.
Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.
Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other.

There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?
Please give a definition of a hard working person.
Somebody who has ambition and and determination to go to work/paid employment, contribute to the UK economy by paying tax and providing for themselves.
There are many different ways to work hard and 'pay your way', making a valuable contribution to the communities we live in. It's not just about paying or taking 'tax pounds'
Well what is it then? You cannot be a contributing member to society because you pick litter up in your street or help an elderly neighbour AND claim benefits because you don't want to work, it doesn't balance out like that.

Hard working people pay tax and it's not fair that hard working people should subsidise the lives of those that are bone idle and would rather scrounge because they see that as the easy option.
Your sounding irrational now.
I'm sounding irrational?! Helping out in the community or similar is just an excuse for those that choose not to work as it convinces themselves that they are a decent person when they know they're just taking from others as they're lazy.

Ultimately, it's taxpayers that fund this country, including the lives of the bone idle so it's taxpayers that are contributing and not those that choose not to work.
There very few in the country that choose not to work, not being able to work is push on them though the lack of jobs, Unemployment as raisen from 7.2 % of the working population to 7.6%, the number of jobs on the market place as drop, less than 55,000 jobs in the uk for the last 12 mths.
At the top end of the scale of earners the 2% at the top do not pay tax or pay very little tax
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.[/p][/quote]Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.[/p][/quote]Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other. There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?[/p][/quote]Please give a definition of a hard working person.[/p][/quote]Somebody who has ambition and and determination to go to work/paid employment, contribute to the UK economy by paying tax and providing for themselves.[/p][/quote]There are many different ways to work hard and 'pay your way', making a valuable contribution to the communities we live in. It's not just about paying or taking 'tax pounds'[/p][/quote]Well what is it then? You cannot be a contributing member to society because you pick litter up in your street or help an elderly neighbour AND claim benefits because you don't want to work, it doesn't balance out like that. Hard working people pay tax and it's not fair that hard working people should subsidise the lives of those that are bone idle and would rather scrounge because they see that as the easy option.[/p][/quote]Your sounding irrational now.[/p][/quote]I'm sounding irrational?! Helping out in the community or similar is just an excuse for those that choose not to work as it convinces themselves that they are a decent person when they know they're just taking from others as they're lazy. Ultimately, it's taxpayers that fund this country, including the lives of the bone idle so it's taxpayers that are contributing and not those that choose not to work.[/p][/quote]There very few in the country that choose not to work, not being able to work is push on them though the lack of jobs, Unemployment as raisen from 7.2 % of the working population to 7.6%, the number of jobs on the market place as drop, less than 55,000 jobs in the uk for the last 12 mths. At the top end of the scale of earners the 2% at the top do not pay tax or pay very little tax southy
  • Score: -4

2:47pm Thu 13 Feb 14

southy says...

Loose work this out Somerset as been suffering for few mths now with the floods and this Government done very little, but the moment when the home countys get hit with floods he can't do enough to help them
Loose work this out Somerset as been suffering for few mths now with the floods and this Government done very little, but the moment when the home countys get hit with floods he can't do enough to help them southy
  • Score: -2

4:59pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Lone Ranger. says...

southy wrote:
Loose work this out Somerset as been suffering for few mths now with the floods and this Government done very little, but the moment when the home countys get hit with floods he can't do enough to help them
Spot on Southy
.
Cameron and co did nothing until Price Charles went to Somerset and told the what he thought ......... Then the flooding hit the Tory heartland and they got everything they wanted.
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Camerons promises about money being available is just one big PR stunt.
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Even the businesses in Londaon still havent received compensation from the Tottenham riots yet.
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The Tories are just playing with smoke and mirrors and then hope it all goes away ......... leaving the next government to pick up the pieces
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Loose work this out Somerset as been suffering for few mths now with the floods and this Government done very little, but the moment when the home countys get hit with floods he can't do enough to help them[/p][/quote]Spot on Southy . Cameron and co did nothing until Price Charles went to Somerset and told the what he thought ......... Then the flooding hit the Tory heartland and they got everything they wanted. . Camerons promises about money being available is just one big PR stunt. . Even the businesses in Londaon still havent received compensation from the Tottenham riots yet. . The Tories are just playing with smoke and mirrors and then hope it all goes away ......... leaving the next government to pick up the pieces Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -3

6:10pm Thu 13 Feb 14

loosehead says...

KSO16R wrote:
'Liberal democrates were the only other party to put forward an official alternative proposal' were the tories and others only there to vote no ?
didn't you see the tories on the local news? they said to put forward an alternative budget would have cost us the tax payers money as it uses council workers & funds so instead they will let the council know what they would have done & it's up to the council to adjust the budget or stick with what they had
[quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: 'Liberal democrates were the only other party to put forward an official alternative proposal' were the tories and others only there to vote no ?[/p][/quote]didn't you see the tories on the local news? they said to put forward an alternative budget would have cost us the tax payers money as it uses council workers & funds so instead they will let the council know what they would have done & it's up to the council to adjust the budget or stick with what they had loosehead
  • Score: -1

6:20pm Thu 13 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Outside of the Box wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.
Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.
Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.
Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other.

There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?
3000 people are employed nationwide to tackle benefit fraud.
300 people are employed nationwide to tackle tax avoidance and tax fraud.
Yes they may being tackled but the numbers employed to do the job clearly shows where this Governments priorities lay.

I do not for the life of me understand how people can defend Hannides and Smith record, they sold out to Capita reference GS1 also the contract that the current administration have renegotiated (cheaper) with Capita I'm not going to mention Sea City Museum or the longest industrial action this city has seen in years.

As a city we skint, cuts have been made by Fat Eric and his mate George, instead of offering us or the current administration any concrete alternative to the Labour budget, the Tories in Southampton offered nothing apart from headline grabbing rhetoric.

Yes some will say its not their job to offer budgets, however if they really cared about the people of this city they could have at least offered up something, you never the Labour lot might have said Yes we can use that bit.

Southampton City Councillors need to grow up and put the people of the city 1st and not their respective parties.
You forgot to mention the deal done by the Tories when the Labour Government cut £20million from this cities budgets to get our sports fields & activity centres run by a private management team which they pay us to do & we still own them?
You like other Left wing posts on here say about the sea city museum why?
It never increased our council taxes it never came out of services or jobs or like the lie spread out of refuse & council workers wages.
Much of it was through grants then £5million from selling an estate that would have cost us at least £20million to upgrade & £5million from that sell went to pay off sea city museum the other £5million went to front line services.
Please explain to me why weren't all the left wingers on here going mad when Williams cut jobs & services but had £5million more than expected & kept it for pet projects?
[quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.[/p][/quote]Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.[/p][/quote]Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other. There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?[/p][/quote]3000 people are employed nationwide to tackle benefit fraud. 300 people are employed nationwide to tackle tax avoidance and tax fraud. Yes they may being tackled but the numbers employed to do the job clearly shows where this Governments priorities lay. I do not for the life of me understand how people can defend Hannides and Smith record, they sold out to Capita reference GS1 also the contract that the current administration have renegotiated (cheaper) with Capita I'm not going to mention Sea City Museum or the longest industrial action this city has seen in years. As a city we skint, cuts have been made by Fat Eric and his mate George, instead of offering us or the current administration any concrete alternative to the Labour budget, the Tories in Southampton offered nothing apart from headline grabbing rhetoric. Yes some will say its not their job to offer budgets, however if they really cared about the people of this city they could have at least offered up something, you never the Labour lot might have said Yes we can use that bit. Southampton City Councillors need to grow up and put the people of the city 1st and not their respective parties.[/p][/quote]You forgot to mention the deal done by the Tories when the Labour Government cut £20million from this cities budgets to get our sports fields & activity centres run by a private management team which they pay us to do & we still own them? You like other Left wing posts on here say about the sea city museum why? It never increased our council taxes it never came out of services or jobs or like the lie spread out of refuse & council workers wages. Much of it was through grants then £5million from selling an estate that would have cost us at least £20million to upgrade & £5million from that sell went to pay off sea city museum the other £5million went to front line services. Please explain to me why weren't all the left wingers on here going mad when Williams cut jobs & services but had £5million more than expected & kept it for pet projects? loosehead
  • Score: 0

6:27pm Thu 13 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Okay let's do what Left wingers on here want the government to do. Hit big businesses that employ thousands all paying taxes, but the companies have good accountants who through loopholes put there by the previous Labour Government can cut their tax bills down to extremely low levels.
let's wallop them then hit them as Harold Wilson once did with 50p tax & let's see all those jobs go as the companies go abroad to countries with next to no taxes.
Most of these companies are working within the law but to compare them with people who are robbing us the normal tax payers is unbelievable.
As that's exactly what those fiddling Social are doing & those that wouldn't take a job no matter what the wage was.
By the way I don't work but I do pay taxes!
Okay let's do what Left wingers on here want the government to do. Hit big businesses that employ thousands all paying taxes, but the companies have good accountants who through loopholes put there by the previous Labour Government can cut their tax bills down to extremely low levels. let's wallop them then hit them as Harold Wilson once did with 50p tax & let's see all those jobs go as the companies go abroad to countries with next to no taxes. Most of these companies are working within the law but to compare them with people who are robbing us the normal tax payers is unbelievable. As that's exactly what those fiddling Social are doing & those that wouldn't take a job no matter what the wage was. By the way I don't work but I do pay taxes! loosehead
  • Score: 0

6:49pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.
Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.
Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.
Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other.

There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?
Please give a definition of a hard working person.
Somebody who has ambition and and determination to go to work/paid employment, contribute to the UK economy by paying tax and providing for themselves.
There are many different ways to work hard and 'pay your way', making a valuable contribution to the communities we live in. It's not just about paying or taking 'tax pounds'
Well what is it then? You cannot be a contributing member to society because you pick litter up in your street or help an elderly neighbour AND claim benefits because you don't want to work, it doesn't balance out like that.

Hard working people pay tax and it's not fair that hard working people should subsidise the lives of those that are bone idle and would rather scrounge because they see that as the easy option.
Your sounding irrational now.
I'm sounding irrational?! Helping out in the community or similar is just an excuse for those that choose not to work as it convinces themselves that they are a decent person when they know they're just taking from others as they're lazy.

Ultimately, it's taxpayers that fund this country, including the lives of the bone idle so it's taxpayers that are contributing and not those that choose not to work.
There very few in the country that choose not to work, not being able to work is push on them though the lack of jobs, Unemployment as raisen from 7.2 % of the working population to 7.6%, the number of jobs on the market place as drop, less than 55,000 jobs in the uk for the last 12 mths.
At the top end of the scale of earners the 2% at the top do not pay tax or pay very little tax
You keep telling us that you choose not to work.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.[/p][/quote]Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.[/p][/quote]Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other. There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?[/p][/quote]Please give a definition of a hard working person.[/p][/quote]Somebody who has ambition and and determination to go to work/paid employment, contribute to the UK economy by paying tax and providing for themselves.[/p][/quote]There are many different ways to work hard and 'pay your way', making a valuable contribution to the communities we live in. It's not just about paying or taking 'tax pounds'[/p][/quote]Well what is it then? You cannot be a contributing member to society because you pick litter up in your street or help an elderly neighbour AND claim benefits because you don't want to work, it doesn't balance out like that. Hard working people pay tax and it's not fair that hard working people should subsidise the lives of those that are bone idle and would rather scrounge because they see that as the easy option.[/p][/quote]Your sounding irrational now.[/p][/quote]I'm sounding irrational?! Helping out in the community or similar is just an excuse for those that choose not to work as it convinces themselves that they are a decent person when they know they're just taking from others as they're lazy. Ultimately, it's taxpayers that fund this country, including the lives of the bone idle so it's taxpayers that are contributing and not those that choose not to work.[/p][/quote]There very few in the country that choose not to work, not being able to work is push on them though the lack of jobs, Unemployment as raisen from 7.2 % of the working population to 7.6%, the number of jobs on the market place as drop, less than 55,000 jobs in the uk for the last 12 mths. At the top end of the scale of earners the 2% at the top do not pay tax or pay very little tax[/p][/quote]You keep telling us that you choose not to work. Torchie1
  • Score: 2

7:13pm Thu 13 Feb 14

southy says...

Loose it as been proven big business will not close up shop because they being tax, in the USA cali increase the taxes on big business did the get up and leave no they did not in fact they employed more people to allow for the extra spending that was going to happen,
And if they do you just nationalise the industry and carry on with the business.
Remember those rich people would not be rich if it was not for the workers that made them rich

Okl oose lets introduce a max pay limit for all
Loose it as been proven big business will not close up shop because they being tax, in the USA cali increase the taxes on big business did the get up and leave no they did not in fact they employed more people to allow for the extra spending that was going to happen, And if they do you just nationalise the industry and carry on with the business. Remember those rich people would not be rich if it was not for the workers that made them rich Okl oose lets introduce a max pay limit for all southy
  • Score: -3

7:41pm Thu 13 Feb 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Loose it as been proven big business will not close up shop because they being tax, in the USA cali increase the taxes on big business did the get up and leave no they did not in fact they employed more people to allow for the extra spending that was going to happen,
And if they do you just nationalise the industry and carry on with the business.
Remember those rich people would not be rich if it was not for the workers that made them rich

Okl oose lets introduce a max pay limit for all
Look at things another way and the workers wouldn't have a job if if wasn't for rich people starting companies to employ them,
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Loose it as been proven big business will not close up shop because they being tax, in the USA cali increase the taxes on big business did the get up and leave no they did not in fact they employed more people to allow for the extra spending that was going to happen, And if they do you just nationalise the industry and carry on with the business. Remember those rich people would not be rich if it was not for the workers that made them rich Okl oose lets introduce a max pay limit for all[/p][/quote]Look at things another way and the workers wouldn't have a job if if wasn't for rich people starting companies to employ them, Torchie1
  • Score: 4

9:18pm Thu 13 Feb 14

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
Loose it as been proven big business will not close up shop because they being tax, in the USA cali increase the taxes on big business did the get up and leave no they did not in fact they employed more people to allow for the extra spending that was going to happen,
And if they do you just nationalise the industry and carry on with the business.
Remember those rich people would not be rich if it was not for the workers that made them rich

Okl oose lets introduce a max pay limit for all
your mad? companies are going back to the states for cheap energy prices thanks to Shale Gas no other reason.
Are you telling me no companies left these shores when Harold Wilson hit them with 50p tax?
Are you saying a company that can get a cheaper work force with less red tape wouldn't leave these shores if tax went up to 50p?
Labour in 13years only had a 40p tax yet now are calling for a 50p tax? was it the companies mismanagement of the countries finances that brought about this huge debt we now have?
Labour are saying they want to borrow more raise taxes & make cuts & will take until our childrens children are grown up before they can clear the debt?
Or we can take the medicine now & reap the rewards in 5-6 years time the only problem is Labour councils like this are making the cuts more severe so joe public votes for Labour or can't you see that?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Loose it as been proven big business will not close up shop because they being tax, in the USA cali increase the taxes on big business did the get up and leave no they did not in fact they employed more people to allow for the extra spending that was going to happen, And if they do you just nationalise the industry and carry on with the business. Remember those rich people would not be rich if it was not for the workers that made them rich Okl oose lets introduce a max pay limit for all[/p][/quote]your mad? companies are going back to the states for cheap energy prices thanks to Shale Gas no other reason. Are you telling me no companies left these shores when Harold Wilson hit them with 50p tax? Are you saying a company that can get a cheaper work force with less red tape wouldn't leave these shores if tax went up to 50p? Labour in 13years only had a 40p tax yet now are calling for a 50p tax? was it the companies mismanagement of the countries finances that brought about this huge debt we now have? Labour are saying they want to borrow more raise taxes & make cuts & will take until our childrens children are grown up before they can clear the debt? Or we can take the medicine now & reap the rewards in 5-6 years time the only problem is Labour councils like this are making the cuts more severe so joe public votes for Labour or can't you see that? loosehead
  • Score: 4

9:20pm Thu 13 Feb 14

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
Loose it as been proven big business will not close up shop because they being tax, in the USA cali increase the taxes on big business did the get up and leave no they did not in fact they employed more people to allow for the extra spending that was going to happen,
And if they do you just nationalise the industry and carry on with the business.
Remember those rich people would not be rich if it was not for the workers that made them rich

Okl oose lets introduce a max pay limit for all
those workers wouldn't have a job if those "rich people" hadn't started a company now would they?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Loose it as been proven big business will not close up shop because they being tax, in the USA cali increase the taxes on big business did the get up and leave no they did not in fact they employed more people to allow for the extra spending that was going to happen, And if they do you just nationalise the industry and carry on with the business. Remember those rich people would not be rich if it was not for the workers that made them rich Okl oose lets introduce a max pay limit for all[/p][/quote]those workers wouldn't have a job if those "rich people" hadn't started a company now would they? loosehead
  • Score: 3

6:54am Fri 14 Feb 14

skeptik says...

Many talk of hard working people - and maybe there is some truth in that. What never ceases to amaze is that many do not see the future and where their job will be in that future. Will there be hundreds of thousands working in the 'customer service' departments. Technology has replaced many jobs we thought were safe and yet we are only in the infancy of IT - maybe I will give a number on line or on the telephone and a computer will process my request, maybe it will when purchasing insurance have all my life records and my medical records - voice recognition and not an expensive wage bill in sight. Look back ten years and see how many retail jobs have gone - buying on line - how many jobs will that ensure?
Many talk of hard working people - and maybe there is some truth in that. What never ceases to amaze is that many do not see the future and where their job will be in that future. Will there be hundreds of thousands working in the 'customer service' departments. Technology has replaced many jobs we thought were safe and yet we are only in the infancy of IT - maybe I will give a number on line or on the telephone and a computer will process my request, maybe it will when purchasing insurance have all my life records and my medical records - voice recognition and not an expensive wage bill in sight. Look back ten years and see how many retail jobs have gone - buying on line - how many jobs will that ensure? skeptik
  • Score: 0

7:01am Fri 14 Feb 14

skeptik says...

Hindsight politics - when folk were holidaying twice a year and house prices (not values) were going up a grand a week - pubs and clubs opening everywhere money used to buy things folk did not need and yet not a whisper or criticism - this has been the talk after each recession - it was Butler, Callaghan, Lawson, Lamont., Brown what done it. Yet we still believe my team good yours bad we still vote in one or t'other in the belief that our lot can run an economy - yet this same party loses an election after one or two terms after making a pigs ear of the economy - my lot still best !
Hindsight politics - when folk were holidaying twice a year and house prices (not values) were going up a grand a week - pubs and clubs opening everywhere money used to buy things folk did not need and yet not a whisper or criticism - this has been the talk after each recession - it was Butler, Callaghan, Lawson, Lamont., Brown what done it. Yet we still believe my team good yours bad we still vote in one or t'other in the belief that our lot can run an economy - yet this same party loses an election after one or two terms after making a pigs ear of the economy - my lot still best ! skeptik
  • Score: 1

8:28am Fri 14 Feb 14

Outside of the Box says...

loosehead wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.
Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.
Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.
Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other.

There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?
3000 people are employed nationwide to tackle benefit fraud.
300 people are employed nationwide to tackle tax avoidance and tax fraud.
Yes they may being tackled but the numbers employed to do the job clearly shows where this Governments priorities lay.

I do not for the life of me understand how people can defend Hannides and Smith record, they sold out to Capita reference GS1 also the contract that the current administration have renegotiated (cheaper) with Capita I'm not going to mention Sea City Museum or the longest industrial action this city has seen in years.

As a city we skint, cuts have been made by Fat Eric and his mate George, instead of offering us or the current administration any concrete alternative to the Labour budget, the Tories in Southampton offered nothing apart from headline grabbing rhetoric.

Yes some will say its not their job to offer budgets, however if they really cared about the people of this city they could have at least offered up something, you never the Labour lot might have said Yes we can use that bit.

Southampton City Councillors need to grow up and put the people of the city 1st and not their respective parties.
You forgot to mention the deal done by the Tories when the Labour Government cut £20million from this cities budgets to get our sports fields & activity centres run by a private management team which they pay us to do & we still own them?
You like other Left wing posts on here say about the sea city museum why?
It never increased our council taxes it never came out of services or jobs or like the lie spread out of refuse & council workers wages.
Much of it was through grants then £5million from selling an estate that would have cost us at least £20million to upgrade & £5million from that sell went to pay off sea city museum the other £5million went to front line services.
Please explain to me why weren't all the left wingers on here going mad when Williams cut jobs & services but had £5million more than expected & kept it for pet projects?
Sea City cost the taxpayers £5,000,000 borrowed from another local authority. FACT. which the council tax payer will have to pay back, The Tories would have job cuts.

How much did the Tories lose on GS1? selling the sole out to Capita or how much did they pay Capita for outsourcing almost every non-frontline service, they paid over the odds, you know it I know it but Hannides and Smith didn't want people to find out.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.[/p][/quote]Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.[/p][/quote]Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other. There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?[/p][/quote]3000 people are employed nationwide to tackle benefit fraud. 300 people are employed nationwide to tackle tax avoidance and tax fraud. Yes they may being tackled but the numbers employed to do the job clearly shows where this Governments priorities lay. I do not for the life of me understand how people can defend Hannides and Smith record, they sold out to Capita reference GS1 also the contract that the current administration have renegotiated (cheaper) with Capita I'm not going to mention Sea City Museum or the longest industrial action this city has seen in years. As a city we skint, cuts have been made by Fat Eric and his mate George, instead of offering us or the current administration any concrete alternative to the Labour budget, the Tories in Southampton offered nothing apart from headline grabbing rhetoric. Yes some will say its not their job to offer budgets, however if they really cared about the people of this city they could have at least offered up something, you never the Labour lot might have said Yes we can use that bit. Southampton City Councillors need to grow up and put the people of the city 1st and not their respective parties.[/p][/quote]You forgot to mention the deal done by the Tories when the Labour Government cut £20million from this cities budgets to get our sports fields & activity centres run by a private management team which they pay us to do & we still own them? You like other Left wing posts on here say about the sea city museum why? It never increased our council taxes it never came out of services or jobs or like the lie spread out of refuse & council workers wages. Much of it was through grants then £5million from selling an estate that would have cost us at least £20million to upgrade & £5million from that sell went to pay off sea city museum the other £5million went to front line services. Please explain to me why weren't all the left wingers on here going mad when Williams cut jobs & services but had £5million more than expected & kept it for pet projects?[/p][/quote]Sea City cost the taxpayers £5,000,000 borrowed from another local authority. FACT. which the council tax payer will have to pay back, The Tories would have job cuts. How much did the Tories lose on GS1? selling the sole out to Capita or how much did they pay Capita for outsourcing almost every non-frontline service, they paid over the odds, you know it I know it but Hannides and Smith didn't want people to find out. Outside of the Box
  • Score: -1

9:29am Fri 14 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Outside of the Box wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Outside of the Box wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.
Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.
Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.
Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other.

There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?
3000 people are employed nationwide to tackle benefit fraud.
300 people are employed nationwide to tackle tax avoidance and tax fraud.
Yes they may being tackled but the numbers employed to do the job clearly shows where this Governments priorities lay.

I do not for the life of me understand how people can defend Hannides and Smith record, they sold out to Capita reference GS1 also the contract that the current administration have renegotiated (cheaper) with Capita I'm not going to mention Sea City Museum or the longest industrial action this city has seen in years.

As a city we skint, cuts have been made by Fat Eric and his mate George, instead of offering us or the current administration any concrete alternative to the Labour budget, the Tories in Southampton offered nothing apart from headline grabbing rhetoric.

Yes some will say its not their job to offer budgets, however if they really cared about the people of this city they could have at least offered up something, you never the Labour lot might have said Yes we can use that bit.

Southampton City Councillors need to grow up and put the people of the city 1st and not their respective parties.
You forgot to mention the deal done by the Tories when the Labour Government cut £20million from this cities budgets to get our sports fields & activity centres run by a private management team which they pay us to do & we still own them?
You like other Left wing posts on here say about the sea city museum why?
It never increased our council taxes it never came out of services or jobs or like the lie spread out of refuse & council workers wages.
Much of it was through grants then £5million from selling an estate that would have cost us at least £20million to upgrade & £5million from that sell went to pay off sea city museum the other £5million went to front line services.
Please explain to me why weren't all the left wingers on here going mad when Williams cut jobs & services but had £5million more than expected & kept it for pet projects?
Sea City cost the taxpayers £5,000,000 borrowed from another local authority. FACT. which the council tax payer will have to pay back, The Tories would have job cuts.

How much did the Tories lose on GS1? selling the sole out to Capita or how much did they pay Capita for outsourcing almost every non-frontline service, they paid over the odds, you know it I know it but Hannides and Smith didn't want people to find out.
Yes they borrowed £5million but you seem to have forgotten to say they paid it of FACT.
YOU forgot to say they sold an ailing in desperate need of repair/modernisation industrial estate which would have cost this city & it's tax payers at least £20million to bring up to date FACT.
the money made from the sell of this estate £10million of which £5million was used to pay off that debt FACT.
£5million was put towards front line services FACT.
Williams found out that through new business rates he had at least £8million more to spend than he fought he had so he kept back £5million for pet projects FACT
You say they sold their souls to Capita? really so why didn't Labour just scrap that deal as they did with the million (2) making deal with the Island?
What about the fact if the Tories hadn't got a management company to pay to run all leisure facilities & sports fields all except Oaklands swimming pool as a new one was expected to be built & if they hadn't done this what would the fate of these facilities be?
the only facility not run by the management company was going to be bulldozed so in fact the Tories protected the rest from this :Labour joke of a council didn't they FACT!
[quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.[/p][/quote]Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.[/p][/quote]Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other. There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?[/p][/quote]3000 people are employed nationwide to tackle benefit fraud. 300 people are employed nationwide to tackle tax avoidance and tax fraud. Yes they may being tackled but the numbers employed to do the job clearly shows where this Governments priorities lay. I do not for the life of me understand how people can defend Hannides and Smith record, they sold out to Capita reference GS1 also the contract that the current administration have renegotiated (cheaper) with Capita I'm not going to mention Sea City Museum or the longest industrial action this city has seen in years. As a city we skint, cuts have been made by Fat Eric and his mate George, instead of offering us or the current administration any concrete alternative to the Labour budget, the Tories in Southampton offered nothing apart from headline grabbing rhetoric. Yes some will say its not their job to offer budgets, however if they really cared about the people of this city they could have at least offered up something, you never the Labour lot might have said Yes we can use that bit. Southampton City Councillors need to grow up and put the people of the city 1st and not their respective parties.[/p][/quote]You forgot to mention the deal done by the Tories when the Labour Government cut £20million from this cities budgets to get our sports fields & activity centres run by a private management team which they pay us to do & we still own them? You like other Left wing posts on here say about the sea city museum why? It never increased our council taxes it never came out of services or jobs or like the lie spread out of refuse & council workers wages. Much of it was through grants then £5million from selling an estate that would have cost us at least £20million to upgrade & £5million from that sell went to pay off sea city museum the other £5million went to front line services. Please explain to me why weren't all the left wingers on here going mad when Williams cut jobs & services but had £5million more than expected & kept it for pet projects?[/p][/quote]Sea City cost the taxpayers £5,000,000 borrowed from another local authority. FACT. which the council tax payer will have to pay back, The Tories would have job cuts. How much did the Tories lose on GS1? selling the sole out to Capita or how much did they pay Capita for outsourcing almost every non-frontline service, they paid over the odds, you know it I know it but Hannides and Smith didn't want people to find out.[/p][/quote]Yes they borrowed £5million but you seem to have forgotten to say they paid it of FACT. YOU forgot to say they sold an ailing in desperate need of repair/modernisation industrial estate which would have cost this city & it's tax payers at least £20million to bring up to date FACT. the money made from the sell of this estate £10million of which £5million was used to pay off that debt FACT. £5million was put towards front line services FACT. Williams found out that through new business rates he had at least £8million more to spend than he fought he had so he kept back £5million for pet projects FACT You say they sold their souls to Capita? really so why didn't Labour just scrap that deal as they did with the million (2) making deal with the Island? What about the fact if the Tories hadn't got a management company to pay to run all leisure facilities & sports fields all except Oaklands swimming pool as a new one was expected to be built & if they hadn't done this what would the fate of these facilities be? the only facility not run by the management company was going to be bulldozed so in fact the Tories protected the rest from this :Labour joke of a council didn't they FACT! loosehead
  • Score: 1

12:53pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.
Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.
Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.
Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other.

There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?
Please give a definition of a hard working person.
Somebody who has ambition and and determination to go to work/paid employment, contribute to the UK economy by paying tax and providing for themselves.
There are many different ways to work hard and 'pay your way', making a valuable contribution to the communities we live in. It's not just about paying or taking 'tax pounds'
Well what is it then? You cannot be a contributing member to society because you pick litter up in your street or help an elderly neighbour AND claim benefits because you don't want to work, it doesn't balance out like that.

Hard working people pay tax and it's not fair that hard working people should subsidise the lives of those that are bone idle and would rather scrounge because they see that as the easy option.
Your sounding irrational now.
I'm sounding irrational?! Helping out in the community or similar is just an excuse for those that choose not to work as it convinces themselves that they are a decent person when they know they're just taking from others as they're lazy.

Ultimately, it's taxpayers that fund this country, including the lives of the bone idle so it's taxpayers that are contributing and not those that choose not to work.
There very few in the country that choose not to work, not being able to work is push on them though the lack of jobs, Unemployment as raisen from 7.2 % of the working population to 7.6%, the number of jobs on the market place as drop, less than 55,000 jobs in the uk for the last 12 mths.
At the top end of the scale of earners the 2% at the top do not pay tax or pay very little tax
These figures simply don't add up.

Here's one that does: You are 100% in cloud cuckoo land.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.[/p][/quote]Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.[/p][/quote]Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other. There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?[/p][/quote]Please give a definition of a hard working person.[/p][/quote]Somebody who has ambition and and determination to go to work/paid employment, contribute to the UK economy by paying tax and providing for themselves.[/p][/quote]There are many different ways to work hard and 'pay your way', making a valuable contribution to the communities we live in. It's not just about paying or taking 'tax pounds'[/p][/quote]Well what is it then? You cannot be a contributing member to society because you pick litter up in your street or help an elderly neighbour AND claim benefits because you don't want to work, it doesn't balance out like that. Hard working people pay tax and it's not fair that hard working people should subsidise the lives of those that are bone idle and would rather scrounge because they see that as the easy option.[/p][/quote]Your sounding irrational now.[/p][/quote]I'm sounding irrational?! Helping out in the community or similar is just an excuse for those that choose not to work as it convinces themselves that they are a decent person when they know they're just taking from others as they're lazy. Ultimately, it's taxpayers that fund this country, including the lives of the bone idle so it's taxpayers that are contributing and not those that choose not to work.[/p][/quote]There very few in the country that choose not to work, not being able to work is push on them though the lack of jobs, Unemployment as raisen from 7.2 % of the working population to 7.6%, the number of jobs on the market place as drop, less than 55,000 jobs in the uk for the last 12 mths. At the top end of the scale of earners the 2% at the top do not pay tax or pay very little tax[/p][/quote]These figures simply don't add up. Here's one that does: You are 100% in cloud cuckoo land. Shoong
  • Score: 1

1:37pm Fri 14 Feb 14

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.
Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.
Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.
Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other.

There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?
Please give a definition of a hard working person.
Somebody who has ambition and and determination to go to work/paid employment, contribute to the UK economy by paying tax and providing for themselves.
There are many different ways to work hard and 'pay your way', making a valuable contribution to the communities we live in. It's not just about paying or taking 'tax pounds'
Well what is it then? You cannot be a contributing member to society because you pick litter up in your street or help an elderly neighbour AND claim benefits because you don't want to work, it doesn't balance out like that.

Hard working people pay tax and it's not fair that hard working people should subsidise the lives of those that are bone idle and would rather scrounge because they see that as the easy option.
Your sounding irrational now.
I'm sounding irrational?! Helping out in the community or similar is just an excuse for those that choose not to work as it convinces themselves that they are a decent person when they know they're just taking from others as they're lazy.

Ultimately, it's taxpayers that fund this country, including the lives of the bone idle so it's taxpayers that are contributing and not those that choose not to work.
There very few in the country that choose not to work, not being able to work is push on them though the lack of jobs, Unemployment as raisen from 7.2 % of the working population to 7.6%, the number of jobs on the market place as drop, less than 55,000 jobs in the uk for the last 12 mths.
At the top end of the scale of earners the 2% at the top do not pay tax or pay very little tax
These figures simply don't add up.

Here's one that does: You are 100% in cloud cuckoo land.
The one in cuckoo land is your self.
Listen to this guy on about Scottish independence He gives you a number of true facts about what is going on in England
http://www.youtube.c
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[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Conservatives 'party of the people' that bought a smile to my face.[/p][/quote]Yes, party of the people, for hard working people. Labour are all about taking from the people that pay tax and give it as handouts to those that don't want to contribute.[/p][/quote]Out of work benefits is a small proportion of the tax paid in this country. Now tax avoidance legal or otherwise is a different issue. 'Hard working people' tory buzzword of the moment, that made me chuckle.[/p][/quote]Buzzword? The 'buzzword' or excuse to all those that claim benefits and are capable of work is to point the finger of blame at tax avoidance. Both the benefits bill and tax avoidance are being addressed and tackled and not one more than the other. There is no difference between them at all. Why should people work hard and pay their tax and allow others to avoid it and/or allow others to become career scroungers?[/p][/quote]Please give a definition of a hard working person.[/p][/quote]Somebody who has ambition and and determination to go to work/paid employment, contribute to the UK economy by paying tax and providing for themselves.[/p][/quote]There are many different ways to work hard and 'pay your way', making a valuable contribution to the communities we live in. It's not just about paying or taking 'tax pounds'[/p][/quote]Well what is it then? You cannot be a contributing member to society because you pick litter up in your street or help an elderly neighbour AND claim benefits because you don't want to work, it doesn't balance out like that. Hard working people pay tax and it's not fair that hard working people should subsidise the lives of those that are bone idle and would rather scrounge because they see that as the easy option.[/p][/quote]Your sounding irrational now.[/p][/quote]I'm sounding irrational?! Helping out in the community or similar is just an excuse for those that choose not to work as it convinces themselves that they are a decent person when they know they're just taking from others as they're lazy. Ultimately, it's taxpayers that fund this country, including the lives of the bone idle so it's taxpayers that are contributing and not those that choose not to work.[/p][/quote]There very few in the country that choose not to work, not being able to work is push on them though the lack of jobs, Unemployment as raisen from 7.2 % of the working population to 7.6%, the number of jobs on the market place as drop, less than 55,000 jobs in the uk for the last 12 mths. At the top end of the scale of earners the 2% at the top do not pay tax or pay very little tax[/p][/quote]These figures simply don't add up. Here's one that does: You are 100% in cloud cuckoo land.[/p][/quote]The one in cuckoo land is your self. Listen to this guy on about Scottish independence He gives you a number of true facts about what is going on in England http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=QxtEYR2XK I0 southy
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1:43pm Fri 14 Feb 14

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Loose it as been proven big business will not close up shop because they being tax, in the USA cali increase the taxes on big business did the get up and leave no they did not in fact they employed more people to allow for the extra spending that was going to happen,
And if they do you just nationalise the industry and carry on with the business.
Remember those rich people would not be rich if it was not for the workers that made them rich

Okl oose lets introduce a max pay limit for all
those workers wouldn't have a job if those "rich people" hadn't started a company now would they?
Yes they would Loose, the state can create those jobs, these rich people are not the likes of Dyson who the rich tired to stop from forming a company, the fact is that workers don't need the rich bosses but the rich bosses needs the workers campanys can be run with out bosses
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Loose it as been proven big business will not close up shop because they being tax, in the USA cali increase the taxes on big business did the get up and leave no they did not in fact they employed more people to allow for the extra spending that was going to happen, And if they do you just nationalise the industry and carry on with the business. Remember those rich people would not be rich if it was not for the workers that made them rich Okl oose lets introduce a max pay limit for all[/p][/quote]those workers wouldn't have a job if those "rich people" hadn't started a company now would they?[/p][/quote]Yes they would Loose, the state can create those jobs, these rich people are not the likes of Dyson who the rich tired to stop from forming a company, the fact is that workers don't need the rich bosses but the rich bosses needs the workers campanys can be run with out bosses southy
  • Score: -1

1:52pm Fri 14 Feb 14

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Loose it as been proven big business will not close up shop because they being tax, in the USA cali increase the taxes on big business did the get up and leave no they did not in fact they employed more people to allow for the extra spending that was going to happen,
And if they do you just nationalise the industry and carry on with the business.
Remember those rich people would not be rich if it was not for the workers that made them rich

Okl oose lets introduce a max pay limit for all
your mad? companies are going back to the states for cheap energy prices thanks to Shale Gas no other reason.
Are you telling me no companies left these shores when Harold Wilson hit them with 50p tax?
Are you saying a company that can get a cheaper work force with less red tape wouldn't leave these shores if tax went up to 50p?
Labour in 13years only had a 40p tax yet now are calling for a 50p tax? was it the companies mismanagement of the countries finances that brought about this huge debt we now have?
Labour are saying they want to borrow more raise taxes & make cuts & will take until our childrens children are grown up before they can clear the debt?
Or we can take the medicine now & reap the rewards in 5-6 years time the only problem is Labour councils like this are making the cuts more severe so joe public votes for Labour or can't you see that?
Fact is they did not leave our shores they stayed and paid the tax, the ones that did leave was those like pop stars and film stars they left because of there greed for money
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Loose it as been proven big business will not close up shop because they being tax, in the USA cali increase the taxes on big business did the get up and leave no they did not in fact they employed more people to allow for the extra spending that was going to happen, And if they do you just nationalise the industry and carry on with the business. Remember those rich people would not be rich if it was not for the workers that made them rich Okl oose lets introduce a max pay limit for all[/p][/quote]your mad? companies are going back to the states for cheap energy prices thanks to Shale Gas no other reason. Are you telling me no companies left these shores when Harold Wilson hit them with 50p tax? Are you saying a company that can get a cheaper work force with less red tape wouldn't leave these shores if tax went up to 50p? Labour in 13years only had a 40p tax yet now are calling for a 50p tax? was it the companies mismanagement of the countries finances that brought about this huge debt we now have? Labour are saying they want to borrow more raise taxes & make cuts & will take until our childrens children are grown up before they can clear the debt? Or we can take the medicine now & reap the rewards in 5-6 years time the only problem is Labour councils like this are making the cuts more severe so joe public votes for Labour or can't you see that?[/p][/quote]Fact is they did not leave our shores they stayed and paid the tax, the ones that did leave was those like pop stars and film stars they left because of there greed for money southy
  • Score: -1

3:18pm Fri 14 Feb 14

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Loose it as been proven big business will not close up shop because they being tax, in the USA cali increase the taxes on big business did the get up and leave no they did not in fact they employed more people to allow for the extra spending that was going to happen,
And if they do you just nationalise the industry and carry on with the business.
Remember those rich people would not be rich if it was not for the workers that made them rich

Okl oose lets introduce a max pay limit for all
your mad? companies are going back to the states for cheap energy prices thanks to Shale Gas no other reason.
Are you telling me no companies left these shores when Harold Wilson hit them with 50p tax?
Are you saying a company that can get a cheaper work force with less red tape wouldn't leave these shores if tax went up to 50p?
Labour in 13years only had a 40p tax yet now are calling for a 50p tax? was it the companies mismanagement of the countries finances that brought about this huge debt we now have?
Labour are saying they want to borrow more raise taxes & make cuts & will take until our childrens children are grown up before they can clear the debt?
Or we can take the medicine now & reap the rewards in 5-6 years time the only problem is Labour councils like this are making the cuts more severe so joe public votes for Labour or can't you see that?
Fact is they did not leave our shores they stayed and paid the tax, the ones that did leave was those like pop stars and film stars they left because of there greed for money
absolute rubbish many a company left these shores or are you so up in cloud cuckoo land you couldn't see it?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Loose it as been proven big business will not close up shop because they being tax, in the USA cali increase the taxes on big business did the get up and leave no they did not in fact they employed more people to allow for the extra spending that was going to happen, And if they do you just nationalise the industry and carry on with the business. Remember those rich people would not be rich if it was not for the workers that made them rich Okl oose lets introduce a max pay limit for all[/p][/quote]your mad? companies are going back to the states for cheap energy prices thanks to Shale Gas no other reason. Are you telling me no companies left these shores when Harold Wilson hit them with 50p tax? Are you saying a company that can get a cheaper work force with less red tape wouldn't leave these shores if tax went up to 50p? Labour in 13years only had a 40p tax yet now are calling for a 50p tax? was it the companies mismanagement of the countries finances that brought about this huge debt we now have? Labour are saying they want to borrow more raise taxes & make cuts & will take until our childrens children are grown up before they can clear the debt? Or we can take the medicine now & reap the rewards in 5-6 years time the only problem is Labour councils like this are making the cuts more severe so joe public votes for Labour or can't you see that?[/p][/quote]Fact is they did not leave our shores they stayed and paid the tax, the ones that did leave was those like pop stars and film stars they left because of there greed for money[/p][/quote]absolute rubbish many a company left these shores or are you so up in cloud cuckoo land you couldn't see it? loosehead
  • Score: 1

6:55pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Loose it as been proven big business will not close up shop because they being tax, in the USA cali increase the taxes on big business did the get up and leave no they did not in fact they employed more people to allow for the extra spending that was going to happen,
And if they do you just nationalise the industry and carry on with the business.
Remember those rich people would not be rich if it was not for the workers that made them rich

Okl oose lets introduce a max pay limit for all
your mad? companies are going back to the states for cheap energy prices thanks to Shale Gas no other reason.
Are you telling me no companies left these shores when Harold Wilson hit them with 50p tax?
Are you saying a company that can get a cheaper work force with less red tape wouldn't leave these shores if tax went up to 50p?
Labour in 13years only had a 40p tax yet now are calling for a 50p tax? was it the companies mismanagement of the countries finances that brought about this huge debt we now have?
Labour are saying they want to borrow more raise taxes & make cuts & will take until our childrens children are grown up before they can clear the debt?
Or we can take the medicine now & reap the rewards in 5-6 years time the only problem is Labour councils like this are making the cuts more severe so joe public votes for Labour or can't you see that?
Fact is they did not leave our shores they stayed and paid the tax, the ones that did leave was those like pop stars and film stars they left because of there greed for money
I can assure you that lots of companies have relocated to foreign shores where they operate without the burden of tax and legislation that successive UK governments burden them with. Why don't you treat us to the benefit of your expertise and list all the companies that have failed by moving abroad?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Loose it as been proven big business will not close up shop because they being tax, in the USA cali increase the taxes on big business did the get up and leave no they did not in fact they employed more people to allow for the extra spending that was going to happen, And if they do you just nationalise the industry and carry on with the business. Remember those rich people would not be rich if it was not for the workers that made them rich Okl oose lets introduce a max pay limit for all[/p][/quote]your mad? companies are going back to the states for cheap energy prices thanks to Shale Gas no other reason. Are you telling me no companies left these shores when Harold Wilson hit them with 50p tax? Are you saying a company that can get a cheaper work force with less red tape wouldn't leave these shores if tax went up to 50p? Labour in 13years only had a 40p tax yet now are calling for a 50p tax? was it the companies mismanagement of the countries finances that brought about this huge debt we now have? Labour are saying they want to borrow more raise taxes & make cuts & will take until our childrens children are grown up before they can clear the debt? Or we can take the medicine now & reap the rewards in 5-6 years time the only problem is Labour councils like this are making the cuts more severe so joe public votes for Labour or can't you see that?[/p][/quote]Fact is they did not leave our shores they stayed and paid the tax, the ones that did leave was those like pop stars and film stars they left because of there greed for money[/p][/quote]I can assure you that lots of companies have relocated to foreign shores where they operate without the burden of tax and legislation that successive UK governments burden them with. Why don't you treat us to the benefit of your expertise and list all the companies that have failed by moving abroad? Torchie1
  • Score: 0

7:53pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Ronnie G says...

southy wrote:
And at number 10 Dowing Street. Cameron address a press conference Telling the Media that Money is not object, which makes this austerity a lie as it was in the 80;s.
Cameron has undermined his claim that austerity means we must tolerate rising homelessness and poverty.
So what you saying don't help by finding money, meaning lives are lost? I'm no Tory but I actually thought FairPlay to him.
We all know money is an issue as Cameron obviously does, but southy this is an emergency and when it comes to an emergency, he's said it as it should be said.
Our country, in areas of the flooding, is putting peoples lives seriously at risk.
So Yes F*** the dilly-dallying about we'll find the money, it's going to help save many lives.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: And at number 10 Dowing Street. Cameron address a press conference Telling the Media that Money is not object, which makes this austerity a lie as it was in the 80;s. Cameron has undermined his claim that austerity means we must tolerate rising homelessness and poverty.[/p][/quote]So what you saying don't help by finding money, meaning lives are lost? I'm no Tory but I actually thought FairPlay to him. We all know money is an issue as Cameron obviously does, but southy this is an emergency and when it comes to an emergency, he's said it as it should be said. Our country, in areas of the flooding, is putting peoples lives seriously at risk. So Yes F*** the dilly-dallying about we'll find the money, it's going to help save many lives. Ronnie G
  • Score: 1

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