EU plans threat to port predicted by Southampton MP

WORLD LEADING: The port of Southampton.

WORLD LEADING: The port of Southampton.

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Political reporter

IT IS THE controversial proposal that city politicians say could put European Union handcuffs on Southampton’s port.

New plans have been unveiled to control cargo-handling prices at the port as well as investment in infrastructure.

The EU says that appointing a port regulator would improve the performances of ports across the continent and create a better network.

But politicians in Southampton say it will put jobs and investment at risk and are calling on the EU to scrap the plans.

It is the third time the EU has proposed the legislation, after being forced to withdraw it in the face of fierce opposition the two previous times it was proposed.

They are currently being considered by the European Commission’s transport committee and if passed could come into force at the end of the year.

Unlike other transport sectors, there is no EU legislation on access to services, financial transparency or charging for infrastructure use.

If the regulations are approved it could mean officials appointed by Brussels could have the chance to intervene on prices within Southampton’s port.

But Southampton Itchen MP John Denham has argued that jobs and investment would be at risk if the regulation is approved.

The Labour MP has combined forces with 22 fellow MPs from constituencies with ports to write to Prime Minister David Cameron, urging him to block the proposals.

They argue that the regulations’ “one size fits all” approach could damage the UK’s port industry.

The letter adds: “The Commission’s proposed regulation will interfere with the commercial freedom of our ports and undermine their ability to attract investment in essential national infrastructure.

“As an island nation, our ports are essential for jobs, investment and economic growth.

“Some 95 per cent of the UK’s trade in goods moves by sea. Our major ports contribute £21 billion to GDP every year and support over 400,000 jobs.”

Mr Denham said: “This would change the whole way the port operates, and could see prices set not by competition between ports but by an official from the EU.

“Southampton has the most productive container port in Europe, and one of the most productive in the whole world.

“Any interference is likely to not be in the interests of anyone working in the port, or connected to it.”

But Siim Kallas, the European Commissioner for Transport, said regulation could benefit under-performing ports across the continent.

He said: “Today there is no EU legislation on the provision of port services.

“There is a patchwork of national regulations, with striking differences from one member state to another.

“The disparities of performance between different European ports affect the distribution of cargo flows and on the organisation of logistic chains across Europe.

“Poor-performing ports represent a missed opportunity – and wasted resources – for the creation of added value and jobs for the concerned regions.”

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12:31pm Tue 25 Feb 14

southy says...

Stage 3 as nearly been completed
Stage 3 as nearly been completed southy
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1:50pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Pobinr says...

Communist centralised control
EU = new Soviet Union
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=sSDQe3kMk
XQ
Communist centralised control EU = new Soviet Union http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=sSDQe3kMk XQ Pobinr
  • Score: 6

2:11pm Tue 25 Feb 14

George4th says...

Had the last Labour government not vetoed the plans for Dibden Bay, we would be in a much stronger position.
Had the last Labour government not vetoed the plans for Dibden Bay, we would be in a much stronger position. George4th
  • Score: 6

2:49pm Tue 25 Feb 14

loosehead says...

we lost 1,000 jobs at BAT down to EU regulations now the same body is threatening our port with regulations?
We have one easy answer to the EU.
We are getting the hell out of this joke of an attempt to build a greater Germany or to put it in other words a country called Europe.
so when we vote for the party that's offering us a referendum we all vote to get the hell out of the EU an organisation we as a people never joined but were railroaded into by Maastricht & then Browns not a constitution in name but a treaty which has every thing the constitution would have had & were we not then promised a vote on it ? did we get one under Brown? NO
if Cameron backs down then I'm a UKIP supporter from that day forward
we lost 1,000 jobs at BAT down to EU regulations now the same body is threatening our port with regulations? We have one easy answer to the EU. We are getting the hell out of this joke of an attempt to build a greater Germany or to put it in other words a country called Europe. so when we vote for the party that's offering us a referendum we all vote to get the hell out of the EU an organisation we as a people never joined but were railroaded into by Maastricht & then Browns not a constitution in name but a treaty which has every thing the constitution would have had & were we not then promised a vote on it ? did we get one under Brown? NO if Cameron backs down then I'm a UKIP supporter from that day forward loosehead
  • Score: 9

3:13pm Tue 25 Feb 14

derek james says...

loosehead wrote:
we lost 1,000 jobs at BAT down to EU regulations now the same body is threatening our port with regulations?
We have one easy answer to the EU.
We are getting the hell out of this joke of an attempt to build a greater Germany or to put it in other words a country called Europe.
so when we vote for the party that's offering us a referendum we all vote to get the hell out of the EU an organisation we as a people never joined but were railroaded into by Maastricht & then Browns not a constitution in name but a treaty which has every thing the constitution would have had & were we not then promised a vote on it ? did we get one under Brown? NO
if Cameron backs down then I'm a UKIP supporter from that day forward
glad to see you're beginning to see the light, just got to wake up to how useless windmills are and you're be there!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: we lost 1,000 jobs at BAT down to EU regulations now the same body is threatening our port with regulations? We have one easy answer to the EU. We are getting the hell out of this joke of an attempt to build a greater Germany or to put it in other words a country called Europe. so when we vote for the party that's offering us a referendum we all vote to get the hell out of the EU an organisation we as a people never joined but were railroaded into by Maastricht & then Browns not a constitution in name but a treaty which has every thing the constitution would have had & were we not then promised a vote on it ? did we get one under Brown? NO if Cameron backs down then I'm a UKIP supporter from that day forward[/p][/quote]glad to see you're beginning to see the light, just got to wake up to how useless windmills are and you're be there! derek james
  • Score: 5

3:14pm Tue 25 Feb 14

sotonboy84 says...

loosehead wrote:
we lost 1,000 jobs at BAT down to EU regulations now the same body is threatening our port with regulations?
We have one easy answer to the EU.
We are getting the hell out of this joke of an attempt to build a greater Germany or to put it in other words a country called Europe.
so when we vote for the party that's offering us a referendum we all vote to get the hell out of the EU an organisation we as a people never joined but were railroaded into by Maastricht & then Browns not a constitution in name but a treaty which has every thing the constitution would have had & were we not then promised a vote on it ? did we get one under Brown? NO
if Cameron backs down then I'm a UKIP supporter from that day forward
A referendum from the Conservatives is the only fair and decent way. It's more than what UKIP are offering and without the backwards neo-Nazi element.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: we lost 1,000 jobs at BAT down to EU regulations now the same body is threatening our port with regulations? We have one easy answer to the EU. We are getting the hell out of this joke of an attempt to build a greater Germany or to put it in other words a country called Europe. so when we vote for the party that's offering us a referendum we all vote to get the hell out of the EU an organisation we as a people never joined but were railroaded into by Maastricht & then Browns not a constitution in name but a treaty which has every thing the constitution would have had & were we not then promised a vote on it ? did we get one under Brown? NO if Cameron backs down then I'm a UKIP supporter from that day forward[/p][/quote]A referendum from the Conservatives is the only fair and decent way. It's more than what UKIP are offering and without the backwards neo-Nazi element. sotonboy84
  • Score: 0

3:25pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

If John Denham and other MPs who have rightly expressed their concerns about possible threat to our port/s from the European Super State commonly called the EU, then why are they not campaigning for pulling UK out of the de facto United States of Europe?

Is this John Denham not the same politically dodgy Denham who was prominent member of the last NuLabour government which refused to honour its manifesto pledge to hold refrendum on EU after Lisbon because they were scared that British people would not have endorsed them having sold out to the corrupt pen pushers of exceptionally expensive mill stone around Britain's financial neck?

Denham and others of his ilk who came into Labour from other political parties of the right and hijacked it for their own self serving purposes and turned the party of trade unions and working people into puppet of the super rich and their bankers buddies are responsible for changing old Labour's opposition to the EU and before that to the EEC into which Tory Ted Heath had dragged our nation.

It is due to these unprincipled policies of NuLabour that now party like UKIP has become a big force in British politics and has started to attract votes in what used to be Labour areas.

Labour and trade union movement is now paying the price for the opportunistic unprincipled and self serving policies of NuLabourites like John Denham, who also dominate Southampton Council.

So hardly surprising despite threat to Southampton's port from the EU our Council is only paying lip service by moaning but is not suggesting the real cure, which is to say NO to EU.
If John Denham and other MPs who have rightly expressed their concerns about possible threat to our port/s from the European Super State commonly called the EU, then why are they not campaigning for pulling UK out of the de facto United States of Europe? Is this John Denham not the same politically dodgy Denham who was prominent member of the last NuLabour government which refused to honour its manifesto pledge to hold refrendum on EU after Lisbon because they were scared that British people would not have endorsed them having sold out to the corrupt pen pushers of exceptionally expensive mill stone around Britain's financial neck? Denham and others of his ilk who came into Labour from other political parties of the right and hijacked it for their own self serving purposes and turned the party of trade unions and working people into puppet of the super rich and their bankers buddies are responsible for changing old Labour's opposition to the EU and before that to the EEC into which Tory Ted Heath had dragged our nation. It is due to these unprincipled policies of NuLabour that now party like UKIP has become a big force in British politics and has started to attract votes in what used to be Labour areas. Labour and trade union movement is now paying the price for the opportunistic unprincipled and self serving policies of NuLabourites like John Denham, who also dominate Southampton Council. So hardly surprising despite threat to Southampton's port from the EU our Council is only paying lip service by moaning but is not suggesting the real cure, which is to say NO to EU. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 3

3:40pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Cyber__Fug says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
If John Denham and other MPs who have rightly expressed their concerns about possible threat to our port/s from the European Super State commonly called the EU, then why are they not campaigning for pulling UK out of the de facto United States of Europe?

Is this John Denham not the same politically dodgy Denham who was prominent member of the last NuLabour government which refused to honour its manifesto pledge to hold refrendum on EU after Lisbon because they were scared that British people would not have endorsed them having sold out to the corrupt pen pushers of exceptionally expensive mill stone around Britain's financial neck?

Denham and others of his ilk who came into Labour from other political parties of the right and hijacked it for their own self serving purposes and turned the party of trade unions and working people into puppet of the super rich and their bankers buddies are responsible for changing old Labour's opposition to the EU and before that to the EEC into which Tory Ted Heath had dragged our nation.

It is due to these unprincipled policies of NuLabour that now party like UKIP has become a big force in British politics and has started to attract votes in what used to be Labour areas.

Labour and trade union movement is now paying the price for the opportunistic unprincipled and self serving policies of NuLabourites like John Denham, who also dominate Southampton Council.

So hardly surprising despite threat to Southampton's port from the EU our Council is only paying lip service by moaning but is not suggesting the real cure, which is to say NO to EU.
It may be that Denham doesnt want to rock the EU boat too much though as perhaps he sees a seat in Brussels as his pension plan.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: If John Denham and other MPs who have rightly expressed their concerns about possible threat to our port/s from the European Super State commonly called the EU, then why are they not campaigning for pulling UK out of the de facto United States of Europe? Is this John Denham not the same politically dodgy Denham who was prominent member of the last NuLabour government which refused to honour its manifesto pledge to hold refrendum on EU after Lisbon because they were scared that British people would not have endorsed them having sold out to the corrupt pen pushers of exceptionally expensive mill stone around Britain's financial neck? Denham and others of his ilk who came into Labour from other political parties of the right and hijacked it for their own self serving purposes and turned the party of trade unions and working people into puppet of the super rich and their bankers buddies are responsible for changing old Labour's opposition to the EU and before that to the EEC into which Tory Ted Heath had dragged our nation. It is due to these unprincipled policies of NuLabour that now party like UKIP has become a big force in British politics and has started to attract votes in what used to be Labour areas. Labour and trade union movement is now paying the price for the opportunistic unprincipled and self serving policies of NuLabourites like John Denham, who also dominate Southampton Council. So hardly surprising despite threat to Southampton's port from the EU our Council is only paying lip service by moaning but is not suggesting the real cure, which is to say NO to EU.[/p][/quote]It may be that Denham doesnt want to rock the EU boat too much though as perhaps he sees a seat in Brussels as his pension plan. Cyber__Fug
  • Score: 2

3:58pm Tue 25 Feb 14

george h says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
we lost 1,000 jobs at BAT down to EU regulations now the same body is threatening our port with regulations?
We have one easy answer to the EU.
We are getting the hell out of this joke of an attempt to build a greater Germany or to put it in other words a country called Europe.
so when we vote for the party that's offering us a referendum we all vote to get the hell out of the EU an organisation we as a people never joined but were railroaded into by Maastricht & then Browns not a constitution in name but a treaty which has every thing the constitution would have had & were we not then promised a vote on it ? did we get one under Brown? NO
if Cameron backs down then I'm a UKIP supporter from that day forward
A referendum from the Conservatives is the only fair and decent way. It's more than what UKIP are offering and without the backwards neo-Nazi element.
You got it wrong there. UKIP are certainly not socialists.

Unlike the NSADP, the German Workers National Socialist Party, aka the Nazis. Their origins were never from the right but from the authoritarian left. Much like Blairism in fact. And like Blairism, the Nazis did a nice line in sucking up to big business. Where do you think Blairism got its taste for authorianitism and invading other countries from?

And if you truly believe that Camoron will let us vote in a referendum that isn't loaded to get the result he wants you are truly in la-la land.

Anyway, there'll be no referendum because after the General Election Camoron and his old-Etonian Bullingdon Posh Boys will be out on their ears. On the scrapheap of history. Along with their crap party.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: we lost 1,000 jobs at BAT down to EU regulations now the same body is threatening our port with regulations? We have one easy answer to the EU. We are getting the hell out of this joke of an attempt to build a greater Germany or to put it in other words a country called Europe. so when we vote for the party that's offering us a referendum we all vote to get the hell out of the EU an organisation we as a people never joined but were railroaded into by Maastricht & then Browns not a constitution in name but a treaty which has every thing the constitution would have had & were we not then promised a vote on it ? did we get one under Brown? NO if Cameron backs down then I'm a UKIP supporter from that day forward[/p][/quote]A referendum from the Conservatives is the only fair and decent way. It's more than what UKIP are offering and without the backwards neo-Nazi element.[/p][/quote]You got it wrong there. UKIP are certainly not socialists. Unlike the NSADP, the German Workers National Socialist Party, aka the Nazis. Their origins were never from the right but from the authoritarian left. Much like Blairism in fact. And like Blairism, the Nazis did a nice line in sucking up to big business. Where do you think Blairism got its taste for authorianitism and invading other countries from? And if you truly believe that Camoron will let us vote in a referendum that isn't loaded to get the result he wants you are truly in la-la land. Anyway, there'll be no referendum because after the General Election Camoron and his old-Etonian Bullingdon Posh Boys will be out on their ears. On the scrapheap of history. Along with their crap party. george h
  • Score: -3

5:28pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Pobinr says...

More & more centralised control by unaccountable unelected people on large salaries.
Only servile fawning EUrophiliacs get the top jobs in the EU.
Self reinforcing anti democracy that's ballooning out of control like a Soviet Union number II.
We are overuled & overun.
80% of decisions now made in Brussels rather than Westminster.
80% of what we fought for in WWI, WWII & the cold war now given away by FibDemLabCon
Vote UKIP
More & more centralised control by unaccountable unelected people on large salaries. Only servile fawning EUrophiliacs get the top jobs in the EU. Self reinforcing anti democracy that's ballooning out of control like a Soviet Union number II. We are overuled & overun. 80% of decisions now made in Brussels rather than Westminster. 80% of what we fought for in WWI, WWII & the cold war now given away by FibDemLabCon Vote UKIP Pobinr
  • Score: 0

5:52pm Tue 25 Feb 14

george h says...

Perhaps a guillotine parked in the Guildhall Square would concentrate their minds.
Perhaps a guillotine parked in the Guildhall Square would concentrate their minds. george h
  • Score: -1

6:33pm Tue 25 Feb 14

loosehead says...

george h wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
we lost 1,000 jobs at BAT down to EU regulations now the same body is threatening our port with regulations?
We have one easy answer to the EU.
We are getting the hell out of this joke of an attempt to build a greater Germany or to put it in other words a country called Europe.
so when we vote for the party that's offering us a referendum we all vote to get the hell out of the EU an organisation we as a people never joined but were railroaded into by Maastricht & then Browns not a constitution in name but a treaty which has every thing the constitution would have had & were we not then promised a vote on it ? did we get one under Brown? NO
if Cameron backs down then I'm a UKIP supporter from that day forward
A referendum from the Conservatives is the only fair and decent way. It's more than what UKIP are offering and without the backwards neo-Nazi element.
You got it wrong there. UKIP are certainly not socialists.

Unlike the NSADP, the German Workers National Socialist Party, aka the Nazis. Their origins were never from the right but from the authoritarian left. Much like Blairism in fact. And like Blairism, the Nazis did a nice line in sucking up to big business. Where do you think Blairism got its taste for authorianitism and invading other countries from?

And if you truly believe that Camoron will let us vote in a referendum that isn't loaded to get the result he wants you are truly in la-la land.

Anyway, there'll be no referendum because after the General Election Camoron and his old-Etonian Bullingdon Posh Boys will be out on their ears. On the scrapheap of history. Along with their crap party.
can't agree with you there as if the Tories don't get in then we step back in time & end up going through an Austerity package forced on us by the EU .
I personally would rather we took our medicine & got out of this mess with the only party that has the B+lls to do it & that's the Tories.
If we as a people have had it with the EU then stop being taken for a ride & when we get the vote let's get the hell out of the EU.
I believe in the UK or the union but if I was Scottish now I'd vote to leave because it's out of the EU & even though I'm very proud of being British I know that if Labour get in we'll never get out of the EU.
[quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: we lost 1,000 jobs at BAT down to EU regulations now the same body is threatening our port with regulations? We have one easy answer to the EU. We are getting the hell out of this joke of an attempt to build a greater Germany or to put it in other words a country called Europe. so when we vote for the party that's offering us a referendum we all vote to get the hell out of the EU an organisation we as a people never joined but were railroaded into by Maastricht & then Browns not a constitution in name but a treaty which has every thing the constitution would have had & were we not then promised a vote on it ? did we get one under Brown? NO if Cameron backs down then I'm a UKIP supporter from that day forward[/p][/quote]A referendum from the Conservatives is the only fair and decent way. It's more than what UKIP are offering and without the backwards neo-Nazi element.[/p][/quote]You got it wrong there. UKIP are certainly not socialists. Unlike the NSADP, the German Workers National Socialist Party, aka the Nazis. Their origins were never from the right but from the authoritarian left. Much like Blairism in fact. And like Blairism, the Nazis did a nice line in sucking up to big business. Where do you think Blairism got its taste for authorianitism and invading other countries from? And if you truly believe that Camoron will let us vote in a referendum that isn't loaded to get the result he wants you are truly in la-la land. Anyway, there'll be no referendum because after the General Election Camoron and his old-Etonian Bullingdon Posh Boys will be out on their ears. On the scrapheap of history. Along with their crap party.[/p][/quote]can't agree with you there as if the Tories don't get in then we step back in time & end up going through an Austerity package forced on us by the EU . I personally would rather we took our medicine & got out of this mess with the only party that has the B+lls to do it & that's the Tories. If we as a people have had it with the EU then stop being taken for a ride & when we get the vote let's get the hell out of the EU. I believe in the UK or the union but if I was Scottish now I'd vote to leave because it's out of the EU & even though I'm very proud of being British I know that if Labour get in we'll never get out of the EU. loosehead
  • Score: -1

6:42pm Tue 25 Feb 14

loosehead says...

derek james wrote:
loosehead wrote:
we lost 1,000 jobs at BAT down to EU regulations now the same body is threatening our port with regulations?
We have one easy answer to the EU.
We are getting the hell out of this joke of an attempt to build a greater Germany or to put it in other words a country called Europe.
so when we vote for the party that's offering us a referendum we all vote to get the hell out of the EU an organisation we as a people never joined but were railroaded into by Maastricht & then Browns not a constitution in name but a treaty which has every thing the constitution would have had & were we not then promised a vote on it ? did we get one under Brown? NO
if Cameron backs down then I'm a UKIP supporter from that day forward
glad to see you're beginning to see the light, just got to wake up to how useless windmills are and you're be there!
derek I can't stand a society where claiming dole whilst doing jobs for cash or just so you never have to work & others can pay your way through life.
That along with the abysmal comprehensive system is a failed socialist ideology so if Inform Al's right then I would really hate to have to vote UKIP just to get out of the EU!
But most things he spouts are made up socialist policies more akin to the TUSC than to the manifesto I have from UKIP can you tell me if Inform Al's right & your a socialist Party?
I believe in all forms of green energy, I feel instead of building Nuclear power stations we should give Solar panels to every household (free) we should heavily invest in Tidal & wave turbines (river screws) as we're an Island who are miles ahead in research on those power generating sources,
Look at this city we have the Itchen & test these could be a great source of cheap electricity why oh why don't we use it?
[quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: we lost 1,000 jobs at BAT down to EU regulations now the same body is threatening our port with regulations? We have one easy answer to the EU. We are getting the hell out of this joke of an attempt to build a greater Germany or to put it in other words a country called Europe. so when we vote for the party that's offering us a referendum we all vote to get the hell out of the EU an organisation we as a people never joined but were railroaded into by Maastricht & then Browns not a constitution in name but a treaty which has every thing the constitution would have had & were we not then promised a vote on it ? did we get one under Brown? NO if Cameron backs down then I'm a UKIP supporter from that day forward[/p][/quote]glad to see you're beginning to see the light, just got to wake up to how useless windmills are and you're be there![/p][/quote]derek I can't stand a society where claiming dole whilst doing jobs for cash or just so you never have to work & others can pay your way through life. That along with the abysmal comprehensive system is a failed socialist ideology so if Inform Al's right then I would really hate to have to vote UKIP just to get out of the EU! But most things he spouts are made up socialist policies more akin to the TUSC than to the manifesto I have from UKIP can you tell me if Inform Al's right & your a socialist Party? I believe in all forms of green energy, I feel instead of building Nuclear power stations we should give Solar panels to every household (free) we should heavily invest in Tidal & wave turbines (river screws) as we're an Island who are miles ahead in research on those power generating sources, Look at this city we have the Itchen & test these could be a great source of cheap electricity why oh why don't we use it? loosehead
  • Score: 0

6:44pm Tue 25 Feb 14

george h says...

loosehead wrote:
george h wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
we lost 1,000 jobs at BAT down to EU regulations now the same body is threatening our port with regulations?
We have one easy answer to the EU.
We are getting the hell out of this joke of an attempt to build a greater Germany or to put it in other words a country called Europe.
so when we vote for the party that's offering us a referendum we all vote to get the hell out of the EU an organisation we as a people never joined but were railroaded into by Maastricht & then Browns not a constitution in name but a treaty which has every thing the constitution would have had & were we not then promised a vote on it ? did we get one under Brown? NO
if Cameron backs down then I'm a UKIP supporter from that day forward
A referendum from the Conservatives is the only fair and decent way. It's more than what UKIP are offering and without the backwards neo-Nazi element.
You got it wrong there. UKIP are certainly not socialists.

Unlike the NSADP, the German Workers National Socialist Party, aka the Nazis. Their origins were never from the right but from the authoritarian left. Much like Blairism in fact. And like Blairism, the Nazis did a nice line in sucking up to big business. Where do you think Blairism got its taste for authorianitism and invading other countries from?

And if you truly believe that Camoron will let us vote in a referendum that isn't loaded to get the result he wants you are truly in la-la land.

Anyway, there'll be no referendum because after the General Election Camoron and his old-Etonian Bullingdon Posh Boys will be out on their ears. On the scrapheap of history. Along with their crap party.
can't agree with you there as if the Tories don't get in then we step back in time & end up going through an Austerity package forced on us by the EU .
I personally would rather we took our medicine & got out of this mess with the only party that has the B+lls to do it & that's the Tories.
If we as a people have had it with the EU then stop being taken for a ride & when we get the vote let's get the hell out of the EU.
I believe in the UK or the union but if I was Scottish now I'd vote to leave because it's out of the EU & even though I'm very proud of being British I know that if Labour get in we'll never get out of the EU.
I'd vote to leave too. But at heart I know that the Tories won't leave. Whatever the beliefs of Tory rank-and-file (and there ain't many left), the Tory grandees are too deeply committed. They'll never leave short of bloody revolution. Count me in on that too!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: we lost 1,000 jobs at BAT down to EU regulations now the same body is threatening our port with regulations? We have one easy answer to the EU. We are getting the hell out of this joke of an attempt to build a greater Germany or to put it in other words a country called Europe. so when we vote for the party that's offering us a referendum we all vote to get the hell out of the EU an organisation we as a people never joined but were railroaded into by Maastricht & then Browns not a constitution in name but a treaty which has every thing the constitution would have had & were we not then promised a vote on it ? did we get one under Brown? NO if Cameron backs down then I'm a UKIP supporter from that day forward[/p][/quote]A referendum from the Conservatives is the only fair and decent way. It's more than what UKIP are offering and without the backwards neo-Nazi element.[/p][/quote]You got it wrong there. UKIP are certainly not socialists. Unlike the NSADP, the German Workers National Socialist Party, aka the Nazis. Their origins were never from the right but from the authoritarian left. Much like Blairism in fact. And like Blairism, the Nazis did a nice line in sucking up to big business. Where do you think Blairism got its taste for authorianitism and invading other countries from? And if you truly believe that Camoron will let us vote in a referendum that isn't loaded to get the result he wants you are truly in la-la land. Anyway, there'll be no referendum because after the General Election Camoron and his old-Etonian Bullingdon Posh Boys will be out on their ears. On the scrapheap of history. Along with their crap party.[/p][/quote]can't agree with you there as if the Tories don't get in then we step back in time & end up going through an Austerity package forced on us by the EU . I personally would rather we took our medicine & got out of this mess with the only party that has the B+lls to do it & that's the Tories. If we as a people have had it with the EU then stop being taken for a ride & when we get the vote let's get the hell out of the EU. I believe in the UK or the union but if I was Scottish now I'd vote to leave because it's out of the EU & even though I'm very proud of being British I know that if Labour get in we'll never get out of the EU.[/p][/quote]I'd vote to leave too. But at heart I know that the Tories won't leave. Whatever the beliefs of Tory rank-and-file (and there ain't many left), the Tory grandees are too deeply committed. They'll never leave short of bloody revolution. Count me in on that too! george h
  • Score: 2

6:49pm Tue 25 Feb 14

loosehead says...

I have written a letter in the past on the importance to this region of Southampton docks ,I have also under the title Loosehead said the land reclaimed at Dibden was so reclaimed for dock use & I've said Marchwood is a Port & if ABP Southampton don't get it .it will still have to be used as a port.
I have been attacked by the Labour/Liberal supporter Linesman for my comments on those subjects.
Yet everything I said could happen just might happen if the EU get's it's way.
this Echo has fuelled a Port war with Liverpool but really the war as such is with the Nimby's of the waterside (not the majority) & now the EU commission,
Will finally Cllr Harrison & the Hythe Marina NIMBY's see this whole area is now threatened with huge job losses if the port does suffer?
I have written a letter in the past on the importance to this region of Southampton docks ,I have also under the title Loosehead said the land reclaimed at Dibden was so reclaimed for dock use & I've said Marchwood is a Port & if ABP Southampton don't get it .it will still have to be used as a port. I have been attacked by the Labour/Liberal supporter Linesman for my comments on those subjects. Yet everything I said could happen just might happen if the EU get's it's way. this Echo has fuelled a Port war with Liverpool but really the war as such is with the Nimby's of the waterside (not the majority) & now the EU commission, Will finally Cllr Harrison & the Hythe Marina NIMBY's see this whole area is now threatened with huge job losses if the port does suffer? loosehead
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6:51pm Tue 25 Feb 14

loosehead says...

george h wrote:
loosehead wrote:
george h wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
we lost 1,000 jobs at BAT down to EU regulations now the same body is threatening our port with regulations?
We have one easy answer to the EU.
We are getting the hell out of this joke of an attempt to build a greater Germany or to put it in other words a country called Europe.
so when we vote for the party that's offering us a referendum we all vote to get the hell out of the EU an organisation we as a people never joined but were railroaded into by Maastricht & then Browns not a constitution in name but a treaty which has every thing the constitution would have had & were we not then promised a vote on it ? did we get one under Brown? NO
if Cameron backs down then I'm a UKIP supporter from that day forward
A referendum from the Conservatives is the only fair and decent way. It's more than what UKIP are offering and without the backwards neo-Nazi element.
You got it wrong there. UKIP are certainly not socialists.

Unlike the NSADP, the German Workers National Socialist Party, aka the Nazis. Their origins were never from the right but from the authoritarian left. Much like Blairism in fact. And like Blairism, the Nazis did a nice line in sucking up to big business. Where do you think Blairism got its taste for authorianitism and invading other countries from?

And if you truly believe that Camoron will let us vote in a referendum that isn't loaded to get the result he wants you are truly in la-la land.

Anyway, there'll be no referendum because after the General Election Camoron and his old-Etonian Bullingdon Posh Boys will be out on their ears. On the scrapheap of history. Along with their crap party.
can't agree with you there as if the Tories don't get in then we step back in time & end up going through an Austerity package forced on us by the EU .
I personally would rather we took our medicine & got out of this mess with the only party that has the B+lls to do it & that's the Tories.
If we as a people have had it with the EU then stop being taken for a ride & when we get the vote let's get the hell out of the EU.
I believe in the UK or the union but if I was Scottish now I'd vote to leave because it's out of the EU & even though I'm very proud of being British I know that if Labour get in we'll never get out of the EU.
I'd vote to leave too. But at heart I know that the Tories won't leave. Whatever the beliefs of Tory rank-and-file (and there ain't many left), the Tory grandees are too deeply committed. They'll never leave short of bloody revolution. Count me in on that too!
I hate TED HEATH if he was the leader I wouldn't vote Tory but the likes of Hague are very much ANTI EU.
if Cameron tries to rig the vote that I fear would be the end of the Tory Party
[quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: we lost 1,000 jobs at BAT down to EU regulations now the same body is threatening our port with regulations? We have one easy answer to the EU. We are getting the hell out of this joke of an attempt to build a greater Germany or to put it in other words a country called Europe. so when we vote for the party that's offering us a referendum we all vote to get the hell out of the EU an organisation we as a people never joined but were railroaded into by Maastricht & then Browns not a constitution in name but a treaty which has every thing the constitution would have had & were we not then promised a vote on it ? did we get one under Brown? NO if Cameron backs down then I'm a UKIP supporter from that day forward[/p][/quote]A referendum from the Conservatives is the only fair and decent way. It's more than what UKIP are offering and without the backwards neo-Nazi element.[/p][/quote]You got it wrong there. UKIP are certainly not socialists. Unlike the NSADP, the German Workers National Socialist Party, aka the Nazis. Their origins were never from the right but from the authoritarian left. Much like Blairism in fact. And like Blairism, the Nazis did a nice line in sucking up to big business. Where do you think Blairism got its taste for authorianitism and invading other countries from? And if you truly believe that Camoron will let us vote in a referendum that isn't loaded to get the result he wants you are truly in la-la land. Anyway, there'll be no referendum because after the General Election Camoron and his old-Etonian Bullingdon Posh Boys will be out on their ears. On the scrapheap of history. Along with their crap party.[/p][/quote]can't agree with you there as if the Tories don't get in then we step back in time & end up going through an Austerity package forced on us by the EU . I personally would rather we took our medicine & got out of this mess with the only party that has the B+lls to do it & that's the Tories. If we as a people have had it with the EU then stop being taken for a ride & when we get the vote let's get the hell out of the EU. I believe in the UK or the union but if I was Scottish now I'd vote to leave because it's out of the EU & even though I'm very proud of being British I know that if Labour get in we'll never get out of the EU.[/p][/quote]I'd vote to leave too. But at heart I know that the Tories won't leave. Whatever the beliefs of Tory rank-and-file (and there ain't many left), the Tory grandees are too deeply committed. They'll never leave short of bloody revolution. Count me in on that too![/p][/quote]I hate TED HEATH if he was the leader I wouldn't vote Tory but the likes of Hague are very much ANTI EU. if Cameron tries to rig the vote that I fear would be the end of the Tory Party loosehead
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7:03pm Tue 25 Feb 14

george h says...

loosehead wrote:
george h wrote:
loosehead wrote:
george h wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
we lost 1,000 jobs at BAT down to EU regulations now the same body is threatening our port with regulations?
We have one easy answer to the EU.
We are getting the hell out of this joke of an attempt to build a greater Germany or to put it in other words a country called Europe.
so when we vote for the party that's offering us a referendum we all vote to get the hell out of the EU an organisation we as a people never joined but were railroaded into by Maastricht & then Browns not a constitution in name but a treaty which has every thing the constitution would have had & were we not then promised a vote on it ? did we get one under Brown? NO
if Cameron backs down then I'm a UKIP supporter from that day forward
A referendum from the Conservatives is the only fair and decent way. It's more than what UKIP are offering and without the backwards neo-Nazi element.
You got it wrong there. UKIP are certainly not socialists.

Unlike the NSADP, the German Workers National Socialist Party, aka the Nazis. Their origins were never from the right but from the authoritarian left. Much like Blairism in fact. And like Blairism, the Nazis did a nice line in sucking up to big business. Where do you think Blairism got its taste for authorianitism and invading other countries from?

And if you truly believe that Camoron will let us vote in a referendum that isn't loaded to get the result he wants you are truly in la-la land.

Anyway, there'll be no referendum because after the General Election Camoron and his old-Etonian Bullingdon Posh Boys will be out on their ears. On the scrapheap of history. Along with their crap party.
can't agree with you there as if the Tories don't get in then we step back in time & end up going through an Austerity package forced on us by the EU .
I personally would rather we took our medicine & got out of this mess with the only party that has the B+lls to do it & that's the Tories.
If we as a people have had it with the EU then stop being taken for a ride & when we get the vote let's get the hell out of the EU.
I believe in the UK or the union but if I was Scottish now I'd vote to leave because it's out of the EU & even though I'm very proud of being British I know that if Labour get in we'll never get out of the EU.
I'd vote to leave too. But at heart I know that the Tories won't leave. Whatever the beliefs of Tory rank-and-file (and there ain't many left), the Tory grandees are too deeply committed. They'll never leave short of bloody revolution. Count me in on that too!
I hate TED HEATH if he was the leader I wouldn't vote Tory but the likes of Hague are very much ANTI EU.
if Cameron tries to rig the vote that I fear would be the end of the Tory Party
But he WILL try to rig it, just as the earlier Wilson referendum was rigged.

That's what politicians do loosehead. They hold "consultations" to endorse what they have already decided to do. They allow planning objections to piecemeal bits of a development; while quite deliberately refusing to permit a sight of their strategic plans. One example: we have had a decision to build a new generation of nuclear power plants. No question of us plebs being consulted. It's a done deal. Contracts agreed. All we get is to object to the colour they will paint them, and maybe the access roads.

You are wasting your time loosehead. They'll never leave. It's a done deal. All the talk of a referendum is to distract the plebs and keep them quiet and orderly.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: we lost 1,000 jobs at BAT down to EU regulations now the same body is threatening our port with regulations? We have one easy answer to the EU. We are getting the hell out of this joke of an attempt to build a greater Germany or to put it in other words a country called Europe. so when we vote for the party that's offering us a referendum we all vote to get the hell out of the EU an organisation we as a people never joined but were railroaded into by Maastricht & then Browns not a constitution in name but a treaty which has every thing the constitution would have had & were we not then promised a vote on it ? did we get one under Brown? NO if Cameron backs down then I'm a UKIP supporter from that day forward[/p][/quote]A referendum from the Conservatives is the only fair and decent way. It's more than what UKIP are offering and without the backwards neo-Nazi element.[/p][/quote]You got it wrong there. UKIP are certainly not socialists. Unlike the NSADP, the German Workers National Socialist Party, aka the Nazis. Their origins were never from the right but from the authoritarian left. Much like Blairism in fact. And like Blairism, the Nazis did a nice line in sucking up to big business. Where do you think Blairism got its taste for authorianitism and invading other countries from? And if you truly believe that Camoron will let us vote in a referendum that isn't loaded to get the result he wants you are truly in la-la land. Anyway, there'll be no referendum because after the General Election Camoron and his old-Etonian Bullingdon Posh Boys will be out on their ears. On the scrapheap of history. Along with their crap party.[/p][/quote]can't agree with you there as if the Tories don't get in then we step back in time & end up going through an Austerity package forced on us by the EU . I personally would rather we took our medicine & got out of this mess with the only party that has the B+lls to do it & that's the Tories. If we as a people have had it with the EU then stop being taken for a ride & when we get the vote let's get the hell out of the EU. I believe in the UK or the union but if I was Scottish now I'd vote to leave because it's out of the EU & even though I'm very proud of being British I know that if Labour get in we'll never get out of the EU.[/p][/quote]I'd vote to leave too. But at heart I know that the Tories won't leave. Whatever the beliefs of Tory rank-and-file (and there ain't many left), the Tory grandees are too deeply committed. They'll never leave short of bloody revolution. Count me in on that too![/p][/quote]I hate TED HEATH if he was the leader I wouldn't vote Tory but the likes of Hague are very much ANTI EU. if Cameron tries to rig the vote that I fear would be the end of the Tory Party[/p][/quote]But he WILL try to rig it, just as the earlier Wilson referendum was rigged. That's what politicians do loosehead. They hold "consultations" to endorse what they have already decided to do. They allow planning objections to piecemeal bits of a development; while quite deliberately refusing to permit a sight of their strategic plans. One example: we have had a decision to build a new generation of nuclear power plants. No question of us plebs being consulted. It's a done deal. Contracts agreed. All we get is to object to the colour they will paint them, and maybe the access roads. You are wasting your time loosehead. They'll never leave. It's a done deal. All the talk of a referendum is to distract the plebs and keep them quiet and orderly. george h
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9:25pm Tue 25 Feb 14

loosehead says...

george h wrote:
loosehead wrote:
george h wrote:
loosehead wrote:
george h wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
we lost 1,000 jobs at BAT down to EU regulations now the same body is threatening our port with regulations?
We have one easy answer to the EU.
We are getting the hell out of this joke of an attempt to build a greater Germany or to put it in other words a country called Europe.
so when we vote for the party that's offering us a referendum we all vote to get the hell out of the EU an organisation we as a people never joined but were railroaded into by Maastricht & then Browns not a constitution in name but a treaty which has every thing the constitution would have had & were we not then promised a vote on it ? did we get one under Brown? NO
if Cameron backs down then I'm a UKIP supporter from that day forward
A referendum from the Conservatives is the only fair and decent way. It's more than what UKIP are offering and without the backwards neo-Nazi element.
You got it wrong there. UKIP are certainly not socialists.

Unlike the NSADP, the German Workers National Socialist Party, aka the Nazis. Their origins were never from the right but from the authoritarian left. Much like Blairism in fact. And like Blairism, the Nazis did a nice line in sucking up to big business. Where do you think Blairism got its taste for authorianitism and invading other countries from?

And if you truly believe that Camoron will let us vote in a referendum that isn't loaded to get the result he wants you are truly in la-la land.

Anyway, there'll be no referendum because after the General Election Camoron and his old-Etonian Bullingdon Posh Boys will be out on their ears. On the scrapheap of history. Along with their crap party.
can't agree with you there as if the Tories don't get in then we step back in time & end up going through an Austerity package forced on us by the EU .
I personally would rather we took our medicine & got out of this mess with the only party that has the B+lls to do it & that's the Tories.
If we as a people have had it with the EU then stop being taken for a ride & when we get the vote let's get the hell out of the EU.
I believe in the UK or the union but if I was Scottish now I'd vote to leave because it's out of the EU & even though I'm very proud of being British I know that if Labour get in we'll never get out of the EU.
I'd vote to leave too. But at heart I know that the Tories won't leave. Whatever the beliefs of Tory rank-and-file (and there ain't many left), the Tory grandees are too deeply committed. They'll never leave short of bloody revolution. Count me in on that too!
I hate TED HEATH if he was the leader I wouldn't vote Tory but the likes of Hague are very much ANTI EU.
if Cameron tries to rig the vote that I fear would be the end of the Tory Party
But he WILL try to rig it, just as the earlier Wilson referendum was rigged.

That's what politicians do loosehead. They hold "consultations" to endorse what they have already decided to do. They allow planning objections to piecemeal bits of a development; while quite deliberately refusing to permit a sight of their strategic plans. One example: we have had a decision to build a new generation of nuclear power plants. No question of us plebs being consulted. It's a done deal. Contracts agreed. All we get is to object to the colour they will paint them, and maybe the access roads.

You are wasting your time loosehead. They'll never leave. It's a done deal. All the talk of a referendum is to distract the plebs and keep them quiet and orderly.
I voted against the Common Market & I supported Benn.I also know if people who know say they were lied to by the pro common market side & many of the things now happening they weren't told about remember that & vote to get out we would walk it.
They're still spouting the same rubbish about jobs but exactly how many companies have upped sticks & moved to Eastern Europe for the cheap Labour & tax?
I just hope people vote for what they now realise was just a lie & not fall for the lie again
[quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: we lost 1,000 jobs at BAT down to EU regulations now the same body is threatening our port with regulations? We have one easy answer to the EU. We are getting the hell out of this joke of an attempt to build a greater Germany or to put it in other words a country called Europe. so when we vote for the party that's offering us a referendum we all vote to get the hell out of the EU an organisation we as a people never joined but were railroaded into by Maastricht & then Browns not a constitution in name but a treaty which has every thing the constitution would have had & were we not then promised a vote on it ? did we get one under Brown? NO if Cameron backs down then I'm a UKIP supporter from that day forward[/p][/quote]A referendum from the Conservatives is the only fair and decent way. It's more than what UKIP are offering and without the backwards neo-Nazi element.[/p][/quote]You got it wrong there. UKIP are certainly not socialists. Unlike the NSADP, the German Workers National Socialist Party, aka the Nazis. Their origins were never from the right but from the authoritarian left. Much like Blairism in fact. And like Blairism, the Nazis did a nice line in sucking up to big business. Where do you think Blairism got its taste for authorianitism and invading other countries from? And if you truly believe that Camoron will let us vote in a referendum that isn't loaded to get the result he wants you are truly in la-la land. Anyway, there'll be no referendum because after the General Election Camoron and his old-Etonian Bullingdon Posh Boys will be out on their ears. On the scrapheap of history. Along with their crap party.[/p][/quote]can't agree with you there as if the Tories don't get in then we step back in time & end up going through an Austerity package forced on us by the EU . I personally would rather we took our medicine & got out of this mess with the only party that has the B+lls to do it & that's the Tories. If we as a people have had it with the EU then stop being taken for a ride & when we get the vote let's get the hell out of the EU. I believe in the UK or the union but if I was Scottish now I'd vote to leave because it's out of the EU & even though I'm very proud of being British I know that if Labour get in we'll never get out of the EU.[/p][/quote]I'd vote to leave too. But at heart I know that the Tories won't leave. Whatever the beliefs of Tory rank-and-file (and there ain't many left), the Tory grandees are too deeply committed. They'll never leave short of bloody revolution. Count me in on that too![/p][/quote]I hate TED HEATH if he was the leader I wouldn't vote Tory but the likes of Hague are very much ANTI EU. if Cameron tries to rig the vote that I fear would be the end of the Tory Party[/p][/quote]But he WILL try to rig it, just as the earlier Wilson referendum was rigged. That's what politicians do loosehead. They hold "consultations" to endorse what they have already decided to do. They allow planning objections to piecemeal bits of a development; while quite deliberately refusing to permit a sight of their strategic plans. One example: we have had a decision to build a new generation of nuclear power plants. No question of us plebs being consulted. It's a done deal. Contracts agreed. All we get is to object to the colour they will paint them, and maybe the access roads. You are wasting your time loosehead. They'll never leave. It's a done deal. All the talk of a referendum is to distract the plebs and keep them quiet and orderly.[/p][/quote]I voted against the Common Market & I supported Benn.I also know if people who know say they were lied to by the pro common market side & many of the things now happening they weren't told about remember that & vote to get out we would walk it. They're still spouting the same rubbish about jobs but exactly how many companies have upped sticks & moved to Eastern Europe for the cheap Labour & tax? I just hope people vote for what they now realise was just a lie & not fall for the lie again loosehead
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10:28pm Tue 25 Feb 14

derek james says...

loosehead wrote:
derek james wrote:
loosehead wrote:
we lost 1,000 jobs at BAT down to EU regulations now the same body is threatening our port with regulations?
We have one easy answer to the EU.
We are getting the hell out of this joke of an attempt to build a greater Germany or to put it in other words a country called Europe.
so when we vote for the party that's offering us a referendum we all vote to get the hell out of the EU an organisation we as a people never joined but were railroaded into by Maastricht & then Browns not a constitution in name but a treaty which has every thing the constitution would have had & were we not then promised a vote on it ? did we get one under Brown? NO
if Cameron backs down then I'm a UKIP supporter from that day forward
glad to see you're beginning to see the light, just got to wake up to how useless windmills are and you're be there!
derek I can't stand a society where claiming dole whilst doing jobs for cash or just so you never have to work & others can pay your way through life.
That along with the abysmal comprehensive system is a failed socialist ideology so if Inform Al's right then I would really hate to have to vote UKIP just to get out of the EU!
But most things he spouts are made up socialist policies more akin to the TUSC than to the manifesto I have from UKIP can you tell me if Inform Al's right & your a socialist Party?
I believe in all forms of green energy, I feel instead of building Nuclear power stations we should give Solar panels to every household (free) we should heavily invest in Tidal & wave turbines (river screws) as we're an Island who are miles ahead in research on those power generating sources,
Look at this city we have the Itchen & test these could be a great source of cheap electricity why oh why don't we use it?
can't see a comment on here from "inform al" first of all i'm not a member of ukip although i'll vote for them.i don't think they're socialist (using that argument you could say the labour party are child molesters).cameron will not give us a vote he promised us one before on the lisbon treaty, still waiting!, his bill has been kicked out of the house of lords, he knew it would!certainly i would agree with giving free solar panels to every house take it out of the overseas aid budget, already osborne is offering a blank cheque to ukraine.with regards "river screws" they were thinking of these in the severn estuary but some said it would kill everything upstream, there's an environmental cost. wind turbines are proven to be ineffective for the piffling amount of energy they produce compare to the installation costs
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: we lost 1,000 jobs at BAT down to EU regulations now the same body is threatening our port with regulations? We have one easy answer to the EU. We are getting the hell out of this joke of an attempt to build a greater Germany or to put it in other words a country called Europe. so when we vote for the party that's offering us a referendum we all vote to get the hell out of the EU an organisation we as a people never joined but were railroaded into by Maastricht & then Browns not a constitution in name but a treaty which has every thing the constitution would have had & were we not then promised a vote on it ? did we get one under Brown? NO if Cameron backs down then I'm a UKIP supporter from that day forward[/p][/quote]glad to see you're beginning to see the light, just got to wake up to how useless windmills are and you're be there![/p][/quote]derek I can't stand a society where claiming dole whilst doing jobs for cash or just so you never have to work & others can pay your way through life. That along with the abysmal comprehensive system is a failed socialist ideology so if Inform Al's right then I would really hate to have to vote UKIP just to get out of the EU! But most things he spouts are made up socialist policies more akin to the TUSC than to the manifesto I have from UKIP can you tell me if Inform Al's right & your a socialist Party? I believe in all forms of green energy, I feel instead of building Nuclear power stations we should give Solar panels to every household (free) we should heavily invest in Tidal & wave turbines (river screws) as we're an Island who are miles ahead in research on those power generating sources, Look at this city we have the Itchen & test these could be a great source of cheap electricity why oh why don't we use it?[/p][/quote]can't see a comment on here from "inform al" first of all i'm not a member of ukip although i'll vote for them.i don't think they're socialist (using that argument you could say the labour party are child molesters).cameron will not give us a vote he promised us one before on the lisbon treaty, still waiting!, his bill has been kicked out of the house of lords, he knew it would!certainly i would agree with giving free solar panels to every house take it out of the overseas aid budget, already osborne is offering a blank cheque to ukraine.with regards "river screws" they were thinking of these in the severn estuary but some said it would kill everything upstream, there's an environmental cost. wind turbines are proven to be ineffective for the piffling amount of energy they produce compare to the installation costs derek james
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6:41am Wed 26 Feb 14

loosehead says...

derek james wrote:
loosehead wrote:
derek james wrote:
loosehead wrote:
we lost 1,000 jobs at BAT down to EU regulations now the same body is threatening our port with regulations?
We have one easy answer to the EU.
We are getting the hell out of this joke of an attempt to build a greater Germany or to put it in other words a country called Europe.
so when we vote for the party that's offering us a referendum we all vote to get the hell out of the EU an organisation we as a people never joined but were railroaded into by Maastricht & then Browns not a constitution in name but a treaty which has every thing the constitution would have had & were we not then promised a vote on it ? did we get one under Brown? NO
if Cameron backs down then I'm a UKIP supporter from that day forward
glad to see you're beginning to see the light, just got to wake up to how useless windmills are and you're be there!
derek I can't stand a society where claiming dole whilst doing jobs for cash or just so you never have to work & others can pay your way through life.
That along with the abysmal comprehensive system is a failed socialist ideology so if Inform Al's right then I would really hate to have to vote UKIP just to get out of the EU!
But most things he spouts are made up socialist policies more akin to the TUSC than to the manifesto I have from UKIP can you tell me if Inform Al's right & your a socialist Party?
I believe in all forms of green energy, I feel instead of building Nuclear power stations we should give Solar panels to every household (free) we should heavily invest in Tidal & wave turbines (river screws) as we're an Island who are miles ahead in research on those power generating sources,
Look at this city we have the Itchen & test these could be a great source of cheap electricity why oh why don't we use it?
can't see a comment on here from "inform al" first of all i'm not a member of ukip although i'll vote for them.i don't think they're socialist (using that argument you could say the labour party are child molesters).cameron will not give us a vote he promised us one before on the lisbon treaty, still waiting!, his bill has been kicked out of the house of lords, he knew it would!certainly i would agree with giving free solar panels to every house take it out of the overseas aid budget, already osborne is offering a blank cheque to ukraine.with regards "river screws" they were thinking of these in the severn estuary but some said it would kill everything upstream, there's an environmental cost. wind turbines are proven to be ineffective for the piffling amount of energy they produce compare to the installation costs
the Severn Estuary project got stopped by surfers who said it would stop them surfing the rip tide
[quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: we lost 1,000 jobs at BAT down to EU regulations now the same body is threatening our port with regulations? We have one easy answer to the EU. We are getting the hell out of this joke of an attempt to build a greater Germany or to put it in other words a country called Europe. so when we vote for the party that's offering us a referendum we all vote to get the hell out of the EU an organisation we as a people never joined but were railroaded into by Maastricht & then Browns not a constitution in name but a treaty which has every thing the constitution would have had & were we not then promised a vote on it ? did we get one under Brown? NO if Cameron backs down then I'm a UKIP supporter from that day forward[/p][/quote]glad to see you're beginning to see the light, just got to wake up to how useless windmills are and you're be there![/p][/quote]derek I can't stand a society where claiming dole whilst doing jobs for cash or just so you never have to work & others can pay your way through life. That along with the abysmal comprehensive system is a failed socialist ideology so if Inform Al's right then I would really hate to have to vote UKIP just to get out of the EU! But most things he spouts are made up socialist policies more akin to the TUSC than to the manifesto I have from UKIP can you tell me if Inform Al's right & your a socialist Party? I believe in all forms of green energy, I feel instead of building Nuclear power stations we should give Solar panels to every household (free) we should heavily invest in Tidal & wave turbines (river screws) as we're an Island who are miles ahead in research on those power generating sources, Look at this city we have the Itchen & test these could be a great source of cheap electricity why oh why don't we use it?[/p][/quote]can't see a comment on here from "inform al" first of all i'm not a member of ukip although i'll vote for them.i don't think they're socialist (using that argument you could say the labour party are child molesters).cameron will not give us a vote he promised us one before on the lisbon treaty, still waiting!, his bill has been kicked out of the house of lords, he knew it would!certainly i would agree with giving free solar panels to every house take it out of the overseas aid budget, already osborne is offering a blank cheque to ukraine.with regards "river screws" they were thinking of these in the severn estuary but some said it would kill everything upstream, there's an environmental cost. wind turbines are proven to be ineffective for the piffling amount of energy they produce compare to the installation costs[/p][/quote]the Severn Estuary project got stopped by surfers who said it would stop them surfing the rip tide loosehead
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