Bus services 'could be withdrawn' after yob attacks

Daily Echo: Chrissie Bainbridge from First Bus inspects the damage after vandals attacked Chrissie Bainbridge from First Bus inspects the damage after vandals attacked

A BUS company has warned that it could withdraw services in parts of Southampton if vandals keep on targeting its vehicles.

First Hampshire spoke out after two more of its buses were attacked by stone throwing vandals on a Southampton estate – the fourth attack in the space of a fortnight.

Two buses had their windows smashed as they were driving near St Monica Road in Sholing on Monday at 9.45pm.

Police are investigating the incident, which is the latest in a string of attacks Last week a pensioner was showered in glass after a terrifying attack on two buses running down Shirley Road, while bus services running through Redbridge Hill were stopped temporarily for the safety of staff and passengers.

It comes after a Daily Echo investigation revealed that a child as young as seven was involved in an ambush of the number 2 service along Redbridge Hill in Millbrook, Southampton.

He was one of a gang of children whose ages ranged from seven to 13, who were handed down acceptable behaviour contracts – a junior version of an antisocial behaviour order.

First Hampshire decided to take drastic action by wheeling out a “battle bus” fitted with cameras to catch the offenders in that part of the city.

General manager Chrissie Bainbridge said: “We are working with the police to work out why these attacks are happening. Last week I thought half-term was the cause but this latest attack is worrying.

“If it is persistent we will agree a process with Southampton Safe City Partnership, and we will need to review our service level provision - but we are a long way from that.”

She added that should attacks keep happening, then the parts of the city where the vandals are striking could have services withdrawn for evenings or at certain times of day.

The Safe City Partnership aims to tackle anti-social behaviour in Southampton and deputy chairman and Cabinet member for communities Satvir Kaur is worried about the attacks spreading.

She said: “It is definitely concerning and we do have to talk with bus companies and other agencies.

“Irrespective of what mode of transport it is, we need to make sure that our residents feel safe using public transport.

“I think there is a fear that this could be a city wide issue. That is something we do not want, it is really important that we identify the individuals very quickly and work with them and their families to ensure reoffending does not happen.”

She said that the Safe City Partnership would discuss the attacks at its next meeting.

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5:56am Wed 26 Feb 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

maybe grills on the windows are the way to go .
maybe grills on the windows are the way to go . Bobs Your Uncle ?

6:32am Wed 26 Feb 14

manic75 says...

I say cancel the bus service. If these communities cannot control their kids, they don't get a bus service, simples. Secondly, these yobs need to be caught and have the cr@p beaten out of them. Maybe some forced hard labour to pay for the repairs to the busses and the trauma caused to those affected by the attacks too. These imbeciles don't deserve a life... period.
I say cancel the bus service. If these communities cannot control their kids, they don't get a bus service, simples. Secondly, these yobs need to be caught and have the cr@p beaten out of them. Maybe some forced hard labour to pay for the repairs to the busses and the trauma caused to those affected by the attacks too. These imbeciles don't deserve a life... period. manic75

7:28am Wed 26 Feb 14

JBSAINT says...

manic75 wrote:
I say cancel the bus service. If these communities cannot control their kids, they don't get a bus service, simples. Secondly, these yobs need to be caught and have the cr@p beaten out of them. Maybe some forced hard labour to pay for the repairs to the busses and the trauma caused to those affected by the attacks too. These imbeciles don't deserve a life... period.
So you think the service shoul stop. If this happened on St Monica Rd this means it is the number 3 bus that services Thornhill. I abide the law and have never had to speak to the police and live in Thornhill. I work in Woolston and my only way of getting home is by bus (as a taxi fare is too expensive). So why should I be made to suffer because parents can't control or give a stuff about their kids?
[quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: I say cancel the bus service. If these communities cannot control their kids, they don't get a bus service, simples. Secondly, these yobs need to be caught and have the cr@p beaten out of them. Maybe some forced hard labour to pay for the repairs to the busses and the trauma caused to those affected by the attacks too. These imbeciles don't deserve a life... period.[/p][/quote]So you think the service shoul stop. If this happened on St Monica Rd this means it is the number 3 bus that services Thornhill. I abide the law and have never had to speak to the police and live in Thornhill. I work in Woolston and my only way of getting home is by bus (as a taxi fare is too expensive). So why should I be made to suffer because parents can't control or give a stuff about their kids? JBSAINT

7:57am Wed 26 Feb 14

wwozzer says...

Roof mounted water cannon, it's the only solution.
Roof mounted water cannon, it's the only solution. wwozzer

8:33am Wed 26 Feb 14

sotonbusdriver says...

These stone attacks, have ben taking place on both First & Bluestar buses across the city for over a decade.

Thornhill was classed a no-go zone before on evening services.

It is about time, those neighbours and residents start naming, names to the Authorities,,, And the Police alike can actually offer protection for those that have spoken out, as retaliation is the reason people do say anything.

It is never just a single child, it involves gangs on childen, co-ordinated via social media or mobiles to ensure they are where the bus it as the right time, and that no-one is looking.

So many parents are behind this...

Maybe those children that are caught, are not just handed, asbo's or the junior like, but also, the children's parents, are made to pay the cost of replacing the windows, by docking their benefits.
These stone attacks, have ben taking place on both First & Bluestar buses across the city for over a decade. Thornhill was classed a no-go zone before on evening services. It is about time, those neighbours and residents start naming, names to the Authorities,,, And the Police alike can actually offer protection for those that have spoken out, as retaliation is the reason people do say anything. It is never just a single child, it involves gangs on childen, co-ordinated via social media or mobiles to ensure they are where the bus it as the right time, and that no-one is looking. So many parents are behind this... Maybe those children that are caught, are not just handed, asbo's or the junior like, but also, the children's parents, are made to pay the cost of replacing the windows, by docking their benefits. sotonbusdriver

8:36am Wed 26 Feb 14

madmandy says...

once the child has been caught for doing anti social activities the parents should have their family allowance taken away to pay back any cost to repair any damage,Also get the child to do community service jobs eg picking up litter in local parks .
once the child has been caught for doing anti social activities the parents should have their family allowance taken away to pay back any cost to repair any damage,Also get the child to do community service jobs eg picking up litter in local parks . madmandy

8:43am Wed 26 Feb 14

hello there says...

1st of all why dont they install more cctc on buses to try and catch those who are responsible- they charge enough for fares. 2nd why should the law abiding members of the public who use these services made to be the ones who suffer. 3rd my council tax pays for police like everybody else's so why dont they do their job and try catching the thugs and prevent the from doing it again.
1st of all why dont they install more cctc on buses to try and catch those who are responsible- they charge enough for fares. 2nd why should the law abiding members of the public who use these services made to be the ones who suffer. 3rd my council tax pays for police like everybody else's so why dont they do their job and try catching the thugs and prevent the from doing it again. hello there

8:52am Wed 26 Feb 14

mickey01 says...

madmandy wrote:
once the child has been caught for doing anti social activities the parents should have their family allowance taken away to pay back any cost to repair any damage,Also get the child to do community service jobs eg picking up litter in local parks .
make em work at the bus depot cleaning the buses and once they have paid the bus company back then re install the family allowance .the problem is that the allowance was started to help families with the bringing up of the family but nowadays it is used to help the parents drink more smoke more and the kids are left to their own devices
[quote][p][bold]madmandy[/bold] wrote: once the child has been caught for doing anti social activities the parents should have their family allowance taken away to pay back any cost to repair any damage,Also get the child to do community service jobs eg picking up litter in local parks .[/p][/quote]make em work at the bus depot cleaning the buses and once they have paid the bus company back then re install the family allowance .the problem is that the allowance was started to help families with the bringing up of the family but nowadays it is used to help the parents drink more smoke more and the kids are left to their own devices mickey01

9:11am Wed 26 Feb 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?
Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect? OSPREYSAINT

9:23am Wed 26 Feb 14

freakout says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?
Thats the parents job !!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?[/p][/quote]Thats the parents job !! freakout

9:34am Wed 26 Feb 14

mickey01 says...

freakout wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?
Thats the parents job !!
well said . the teachers have enough of a job
[quote][p][bold]freakout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?[/p][/quote]Thats the parents job !![/p][/quote]well said . the teachers have enough of a job mickey01

10:17am Wed 26 Feb 14

loosehead says...

the Echo prints the story about Redbridge & hey it happens at Shirley so instead of l;earning the Echo goes ahead & prints about that attack.
Then you had the story of the battle bus & surprise,surprise It's now happening in other areas?
Monkey sees Monkey do or in this case Monkey reads about it Monkey goes & does it
the Echo prints the story about Redbridge & hey it happens at Shirley so instead of l;earning the Echo goes ahead & prints about that attack. Then you had the story of the battle bus & surprise,surprise It's now happening in other areas? Monkey sees Monkey do or in this case Monkey reads about it Monkey goes & does it loosehead

10:25am Wed 26 Feb 14

notableedingheart says...

I understand and accept the Bus Company's reluctance to continue bus services. There is an obvious Health and safety issue that they are aware of and cannot negate. The Bus Company is therefore liable if any of their Employees or customers are injured, given their knowledge of the risk. It is that simple.
The other issues of poor parental supervision, crime, punishment and Police ability to detect and prevent the toe-rags are entirely separate matters for people outside the Bus Company.
This matter illustrates how society has deteriorated to such an extent that some areas are no-go zones or high-risk zones. Most of the deterioration is due to weak public servants who mouth politically correct garbage and left wing academics and limp wrists who have acquired an inordinate amount of influence in public policy out of all proportion to their numbers.
I long for the day when we return to a society, wanted by the vast majority of our society, where Police are managed by strong resolute operational senior Officers rather than the pc career opportunists that currently inhabit these positions and who support their junior Officers to get in the face of the crooks and other anti-social miscreants who drag our society into the gutter. Of course that requires the Judiciary and Politicians to reflect society's view rather than those of the limp wristed left wing minority.
I understand and accept the Bus Company's reluctance to continue bus services. There is an obvious Health and safety issue that they are aware of and cannot negate. The Bus Company is therefore liable if any of their Employees or customers are injured, given their knowledge of the risk. It is that simple. The other issues of poor parental supervision, crime, punishment and Police ability to detect and prevent the toe-rags are entirely separate matters for people outside the Bus Company. This matter illustrates how society has deteriorated to such an extent that some areas are no-go zones or high-risk zones. Most of the deterioration is due to weak public servants who mouth politically correct garbage and left wing academics and limp wrists who have acquired an inordinate amount of influence in public policy out of all proportion to their numbers. I long for the day when we return to a society, wanted by the vast majority of our society, where Police are managed by strong resolute operational senior Officers rather than the pc career opportunists that currently inhabit these positions and who support their junior Officers to get in the face of the crooks and other anti-social miscreants who drag our society into the gutter. Of course that requires the Judiciary and Politicians to reflect society's view rather than those of the limp wristed left wing minority. notableedingheart

10:31am Wed 26 Feb 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

freakout wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?
Thats the parents job !!
I disagree, it's both of their jobs. A lot of parents have no respect themselves, so are hardly going to influence their little darlings who probably take no notice of them anyway. There are no punishments allowable these days so another approach has to made to win hearts and minds. Respect has to be taught and encouraged, it can no longer be beaten into the kids of today.
[quote][p][bold]freakout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?[/p][/quote]Thats the parents job !![/p][/quote]I disagree, it's both of their jobs. A lot of parents have no respect themselves, so are hardly going to influence their little darlings who probably take no notice of them anyway. There are no punishments allowable these days so another approach has to made to win hearts and minds. Respect has to be taught and encouraged, it can no longer be beaten into the kids of today. OSPREYSAINT

10:33am Wed 26 Feb 14

itsnotjustice says...

while i agree something needs to be done about this , cancelling the bus service is just affecting the good hardworking law abiding residents....

some of us rely on the number 3 , and any other bus, to get home after working late,WORKING, something the parents of these scummy little kids have probably only seen on tv...

what we need is more police and community action where these attacks are happening..
while i agree something needs to be done about this , cancelling the bus service is just affecting the good hardworking law abiding residents.... some of us rely on the number 3 , and any other bus, to get home after working late,WORKING, something the parents of these scummy little kids have probably only seen on tv... what we need is more police and community action where these attacks are happening.. itsnotjustice

10:34am Wed 26 Feb 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

mickey01 wrote:
freakout wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?
Thats the parents job !!
well said . the teachers have enough of a job
Teachers have enough of a job, why is that? Is it because the pupils don't respect them? I suggest you try engaging brain before making daft statements.
[quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freakout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?[/p][/quote]Thats the parents job !![/p][/quote]well said . the teachers have enough of a job[/p][/quote]Teachers have enough of a job, why is that? Is it because the pupils don't respect them? I suggest you try engaging brain before making daft statements. OSPREYSAINT

10:42am Wed 26 Feb 14

Inform Al says...

sotonbusdriver wrote:
These stone attacks, have ben taking place on both First & Bluestar buses across the city for over a decade.

Thornhill was classed a no-go zone before on evening services.

It is about time, those neighbours and residents start naming, names to the Authorities,,, And the Police alike can actually offer protection for those that have spoken out, as retaliation is the reason people do say anything.

It is never just a single child, it involves gangs on childen, co-ordinated via social media or mobiles to ensure they are where the bus it as the right time, and that no-one is looking.

So many parents are behind this...

Maybe those children that are caught, are not just handed, asbo's or the junior like, but also, the children's parents, are made to pay the cost of replacing the windows, by docking their benefits.
Only those on benefits? So if the parents are working they pay nothing, stupid attitude, there is nothing in the story to suugest the parents are not working.
[quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: These stone attacks, have ben taking place on both First & Bluestar buses across the city for over a decade. Thornhill was classed a no-go zone before on evening services. It is about time, those neighbours and residents start naming, names to the Authorities,,, And the Police alike can actually offer protection for those that have spoken out, as retaliation is the reason people do say anything. It is never just a single child, it involves gangs on childen, co-ordinated via social media or mobiles to ensure they are where the bus it as the right time, and that no-one is looking. So many parents are behind this... Maybe those children that are caught, are not just handed, asbo's or the junior like, but also, the children's parents, are made to pay the cost of replacing the windows, by docking their benefits.[/p][/quote]Only those on benefits? So if the parents are working they pay nothing, stupid attitude, there is nothing in the story to suugest the parents are not working. Inform Al

10:43am Wed 26 Feb 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

madmandy wrote:
once the child has been caught for doing anti social activities the parents should have their family allowance taken away to pay back any cost to repair any damage,Also get the child to do community service jobs eg picking up litter in local parks .
How many actually get caught though? Are you saying that the perpretrators are only sons and daughters of the poor and needy? A bit narrow minded I am thinking. Why do you think these kids are resorting to this kind of behaviour, may it be because there is little else for them to do, is that a problem that can be addressed?
[quote][p][bold]madmandy[/bold] wrote: once the child has been caught for doing anti social activities the parents should have their family allowance taken away to pay back any cost to repair any damage,Also get the child to do community service jobs eg picking up litter in local parks .[/p][/quote]How many actually get caught though? Are you saying that the perpretrators are only sons and daughters of the poor and needy? A bit narrow minded I am thinking. Why do you think these kids are resorting to this kind of behaviour, may it be because there is little else for them to do, is that a problem that can be addressed? OSPREYSAINT

10:50am Wed 26 Feb 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

hello there wrote:
1st of all why dont they install more cctc on buses to try and catch those who are responsible- they charge enough for fares. 2nd why should the law abiding members of the public who use these services made to be the ones who suffer. 3rd my council tax pays for police like everybody else's so why dont they do their job and try catching the thugs and prevent the from doing it again.
1. Many buses seem to be equipped withh internal CCTV but it doesn't pick up numpties that are outside of the bus. very often it is faulty anyway, I am no legal eagle, but I suspect much of it wouldn't be permitted to be used as evidence in Court. 2. Law abiding members are always the victim of circumstances, it's a sad fact of modern life. 3. Politics demands that Council Tax is kept low to win votes, subsequently there is not enough to fund a proper detterent Police Force, you can't have it both ways.
[quote][p][bold]hello there[/bold] wrote: 1st of all why dont they install more cctc on buses to try and catch those who are responsible- they charge enough for fares. 2nd why should the law abiding members of the public who use these services made to be the ones who suffer. 3rd my council tax pays for police like everybody else's so why dont they do their job and try catching the thugs and prevent the from doing it again.[/p][/quote]1. Many buses seem to be equipped withh internal CCTV but it doesn't pick up numpties that are outside of the bus. very often it is faulty anyway, I am no legal eagle, but I suspect much of it wouldn't be permitted to be used as evidence in Court. 2. Law abiding members are always the victim of circumstances, it's a sad fact of modern life. 3. Politics demands that Council Tax is kept low to win votes, subsequently there is not enough to fund a proper detterent Police Force, you can't have it both ways. OSPREYSAINT

11:09am Wed 26 Feb 14

gilbertratchet says...

JBSAINT wrote:
manic75 wrote:
I say cancel the bus service. If these communities cannot control their kids, they don't get a bus service, simples. Secondly, these yobs need to be caught and have the cr@p beaten out of them. Maybe some forced hard labour to pay for the repairs to the busses and the trauma caused to those affected by the attacks too. These imbeciles don't deserve a life... period.
So you think the service shoul stop. If this happened on St Monica Rd this means it is the number 3 bus that services Thornhill. I abide the law and have never had to speak to the police and live in Thornhill. I work in Woolston and my only way of getting home is by bus (as a taxi fare is too expensive). So why should I be made to suffer because parents can't control or give a stuff about their kids?
Maybe you need to be taking that up with the parents? I agree, there's no reason why you as a law-abiding person should be held to bear for this, but on the other hand a part of the problem with these feral kids isn't just the parents, it's the lack of a sense of community in general. It takes a village to raise a child and all that. As a child, I'd have been ashamed and embarrassed to be in trouble with the police, because my parents would be disappointed, but also because our neighbours would know, and perhaps look down on our family. Both of those elements seem to be missing nowadays.
[quote][p][bold]JBSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: I say cancel the bus service. If these communities cannot control their kids, they don't get a bus service, simples. Secondly, these yobs need to be caught and have the cr@p beaten out of them. Maybe some forced hard labour to pay for the repairs to the busses and the trauma caused to those affected by the attacks too. These imbeciles don't deserve a life... period.[/p][/quote]So you think the service shoul stop. If this happened on St Monica Rd this means it is the number 3 bus that services Thornhill. I abide the law and have never had to speak to the police and live in Thornhill. I work in Woolston and my only way of getting home is by bus (as a taxi fare is too expensive). So why should I be made to suffer because parents can't control or give a stuff about their kids?[/p][/quote]Maybe you need to be taking that up with the parents? I agree, there's no reason why you as a law-abiding person should be held to bear for this, but on the other hand a part of the problem with these feral kids isn't just the parents, it's the lack of a sense of community in general. It takes a village to raise a child and all that. As a child, I'd have been ashamed and embarrassed to be in trouble with the police, because my parents would be disappointed, but also because our neighbours would know, and perhaps look down on our family. Both of those elements seem to be missing nowadays. gilbertratchet

11:11am Wed 26 Feb 14

gilbertratchet says...

madmandy wrote:
once the child has been caught for doing anti social activities the parents should have their family allowance taken away to pay back any cost to repair any damage,Also get the child to do community service jobs eg picking up litter in local parks .
And what exactly are they going to do for money in the mean time? This sort of idea always comes up "take their benefits away" but come on, what do you really think will happen? They buck their ideas up? Or they turn to crime in order to eat?
[quote][p][bold]madmandy[/bold] wrote: once the child has been caught for doing anti social activities the parents should have their family allowance taken away to pay back any cost to repair any damage,Also get the child to do community service jobs eg picking up litter in local parks .[/p][/quote]And what exactly are they going to do for money in the mean time? This sort of idea always comes up "take their benefits away" but come on, what do you really think will happen? They buck their ideas up? Or they turn to crime in order to eat? gilbertratchet

11:14am Wed 26 Feb 14

gilbertratchet says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
freakout wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?
Thats the parents job !!
I disagree, it's both of their jobs. A lot of parents have no respect themselves, so are hardly going to influence their little darlings who probably take no notice of them anyway. There are no punishments allowable these days so another approach has to made to win hearts and minds. Respect has to be taught and encouraged, it can no longer be beaten into the kids of today.
Well said. It's all well and good everyone moaning about the impact on their community, but community is a two-way street. Simply demanding that people control their own kids is every bit as self-centred as allowing your kids to run free. The kids aren't feeling any pressure to change from their parents, but nor, I wager, are the parents feeling any pressure to change from their neighbours.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freakout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?[/p][/quote]Thats the parents job !![/p][/quote]I disagree, it's both of their jobs. A lot of parents have no respect themselves, so are hardly going to influence their little darlings who probably take no notice of them anyway. There are no punishments allowable these days so another approach has to made to win hearts and minds. Respect has to be taught and encouraged, it can no longer be beaten into the kids of today.[/p][/quote]Well said. It's all well and good everyone moaning about the impact on their community, but community is a two-way street. Simply demanding that people control their own kids is every bit as self-centred as allowing your kids to run free. The kids aren't feeling any pressure to change from their parents, but nor, I wager, are the parents feeling any pressure to change from their neighbours. gilbertratchet

11:28am Wed 26 Feb 14

charrlee says...

On the basis that prevention is often a better way to go than cure, what about setting up a force of men and woman who have been trained to deal with bad behaviour? They could patrol the streets, and whenever they see bad behaviour, they could detain the people responsible, and look at dishing out some form of appropriate punishment. If they wore a uniform, it would act as a deterrent to potential bad behaviour, and they would be easily recognised if members of the public wanted to report something, or needed help.

What could we call them? How about..........the police?
On the basis that prevention is often a better way to go than cure, what about setting up a force of men and woman who have been trained to deal with bad behaviour? They could patrol the streets, and whenever they see bad behaviour, they could detain the people responsible, and look at dishing out some form of appropriate punishment. If they wore a uniform, it would act as a deterrent to potential bad behaviour, and they would be easily recognised if members of the public wanted to report something, or needed help. What could we call them? How about..........the police? charrlee

11:36am Wed 26 Feb 14

imspacedout says...

Lmao! Why are you withdrawing the buses? That will not help. Eventually you will end up changing routes every other week because it's not difficult for youths to make their attack from another road. It sounds like the first attacks were due to it being half term, and are completely unrelated to the second. People need reliable routes to get to and from work, or anywhere else their activities take them. Cameras, will not see far enough to capture these people and from experience I know that they're not even often used of able to be re-called properly. Even so, if it leads to arrest of the perpetrators then that probably wont do much to deter them, but cause more stress with their households which are obviously already troubled or lacking in disciple. Let's make no excuses, as it's the role of society as a whole to raise youths and when you suggest physical punishments or taking away peoples income then it's actually promoting the same kind of ignorance which leads to throwing stones at windows. The main mistake we are making is attempting to scare them into not doing it, when in reality if they would truly understand the consequences then they'd not do so. These being the following: injuring someone on the bus directly, causing it to lose control and crash and crush and kill others within cars, disrupting peoples daily lives, getting their parents or guardians into trouble, and ruining their future prospects. To care about others, and themselves then they'll need to be shown examples for anyone whether close relatives or whole communities that both are important. More often than not, they'll be leading one another and many will have the feeling that it's not right. All you have to do is get through to that knowing. It might be too late to prevent some more of these attacks happening now it's so public but I assure you, it's not too late to make a start to prevent more of the same. Bear in mind if it's NOT put a stop to then these are the youths likely to grow up into violent criminal men.
Lmao! Why are you withdrawing the buses? That will not help. Eventually you will end up changing routes every other week because it's not difficult for youths to make their attack from another road. It sounds like the first attacks were due to it being half term, and are completely unrelated to the second. People need reliable routes to get to and from work, or anywhere else their activities take them. Cameras, will not see far enough to capture these people and from experience I know that they're not even often used of able to be re-called properly. Even so, if it leads to arrest of the perpetrators then that probably wont do much to deter them, but cause more stress with their households which are obviously already troubled or lacking in disciple. Let's make no excuses, as it's the role of society as a whole to raise youths and when you suggest physical punishments or taking away peoples income then it's actually promoting the same kind of ignorance which leads to throwing stones at windows. The main mistake we are making is attempting to scare them into not doing it, when in reality if they would truly understand the consequences then they'd not do so. These being the following: injuring someone on the bus directly, causing it to lose control and crash and crush and kill others within cars, disrupting peoples daily lives, getting their parents or guardians into trouble, and ruining their future prospects. To care about others, and themselves then they'll need to be shown examples for anyone whether close relatives or whole communities that both are important. More often than not, they'll be leading one another and many will have the feeling that it's not right. All you have to do is get through to that knowing. It might be too late to prevent some more of these attacks happening now it's so public but I assure you, it's not too late to make a start to prevent more of the same. Bear in mind if it's NOT put a stop to then these are the youths likely to grow up into violent criminal men. imspacedout

11:54am Wed 26 Feb 14

ShirleyLad says...

madmandy wrote:
once the child has been caught for doing anti social activities the parents should have their family allowance taken away to pay back any cost to repair any damage,Also get the child to do community service jobs eg picking up litter in local parks .
And named and shamed toooo...
[quote][p][bold]madmandy[/bold] wrote: once the child has been caught for doing anti social activities the parents should have their family allowance taken away to pay back any cost to repair any damage,Also get the child to do community service jobs eg picking up litter in local parks .[/p][/quote]And named and shamed toooo... ShirleyLad

12:07pm Wed 26 Feb 14

ShirleyLad says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
freakout wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?
Thats the parents job !!
well said . the teachers have enough of a job
Teachers have enough of a job, why is that? Is it because the pupils don't respect them? I suggest you try engaging brain before making daft statements.
Thats cos their lazy parents can't be bothered to teach them the basic of like : Respect Honesty etc. These people always them want to blame some else for their shortcomings. It isn't the job of a teacher to bring up a lazy parents child.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freakout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?[/p][/quote]Thats the parents job !![/p][/quote]well said . the teachers have enough of a job[/p][/quote]Teachers have enough of a job, why is that? Is it because the pupils don't respect them? I suggest you try engaging brain before making daft statements.[/p][/quote]Thats cos their lazy parents can't be bothered to teach them the basic of like : Respect Honesty etc. These people always them want to blame some else for their shortcomings. It isn't the job of a teacher to bring up a lazy parents child. ShirleyLad

12:11pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Fatherxak says...

FINE THE USELESS DRUNKEN/DRUGGY PARENTS WHO SLING THEIR KIDS OUT ON TO THE STREET SO THEY CAN GET HIGH/WATCH JEREMY KYLE. SCUM.
FINE THE USELESS DRUNKEN/DRUGGY PARENTS WHO SLING THEIR KIDS OUT ON TO THE STREET SO THEY CAN GET HIGH/WATCH JEREMY KYLE. SCUM. Fatherxak

12:19pm Wed 26 Feb 14

gilbertratchet says...

Fatherxak wrote:
FINE THE USELESS DRUNKEN/DRUGGY PARENTS WHO SLING THEIR KIDS OUT ON TO THE STREET SO THEY CAN GET HIGH/WATCH JEREMY KYLE. SCUM.
Yep. The children of working parents never do anything wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Fatherxak[/bold] wrote: FINE THE USELESS DRUNKEN/DRUGGY PARENTS WHO SLING THEIR KIDS OUT ON TO THE STREET SO THEY CAN GET HIGH/WATCH JEREMY KYLE. SCUM.[/p][/quote]Yep. The children of working parents never do anything wrong. gilbertratchet

12:23pm Wed 26 Feb 14

dc4306 says...

madmandy wrote:
once the child has been caught for doing anti social activities the parents should have their family allowance taken away to pay back any cost to repair any damage,Also get the child to do community service jobs eg picking up litter in local parks .
what a good idea, the parents should be charged I think the problem we have is that children are having children. maybe some short sharp lessons need to be learnt.
[quote][p][bold]madmandy[/bold] wrote: once the child has been caught for doing anti social activities the parents should have their family allowance taken away to pay back any cost to repair any damage,Also get the child to do community service jobs eg picking up litter in local parks .[/p][/quote]what a good idea, the parents should be charged I think the problem we have is that children are having children. maybe some short sharp lessons need to be learnt. dc4306

12:44pm Wed 26 Feb 14

espanuel says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
freakout wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?
Thats the parents job !!
I disagree, it's both of their jobs. A lot of parents have no respect themselves, so are hardly going to influence their little darlings who probably take no notice of them anyway. There are no punishments allowable these days so another approach has to made to win hearts and minds. Respect has to be taught and encouraged, it can no longer be beaten into the kids of today.
If you want respect you have to earn it. It is not an entitlement. A few years ago a guy came into a bar where I was working and was mouthing off saying I want respect and I said to him if you want that go out an earn it. I didn't see him for about a year. And who walks into the bar, this said gentleman and said yes you were right. when I left the bar that night I was mouthing off and got a right punch in the jaw and ended up in hospital. I have since learnt my lesson. Respect does not cost anything.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freakout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?[/p][/quote]Thats the parents job !![/p][/quote]I disagree, it's both of their jobs. A lot of parents have no respect themselves, so are hardly going to influence their little darlings who probably take no notice of them anyway. There are no punishments allowable these days so another approach has to made to win hearts and minds. Respect has to be taught and encouraged, it can no longer be beaten into the kids of today.[/p][/quote]If you want respect you have to earn it. It is not an entitlement. A few years ago a guy came into a bar where I was working and was mouthing off saying I want respect and I said to him if you want that go out an earn it. I didn't see him for about a year. And who walks into the bar, this said gentleman and said yes you were right. when I left the bar that night I was mouthing off and got a right punch in the jaw and ended up in hospital. I have since learnt my lesson. Respect does not cost anything. espanuel

12:54pm Wed 26 Feb 14

sotonbusdriver says...

Inform Al wrote:
sotonbusdriver wrote:
These stone attacks, have ben taking place on both First & Bluestar buses across the city for over a decade.

Thornhill was classed a no-go zone before on evening services.

It is about time, those neighbours and residents start naming, names to the Authorities,,, And the Police alike can actually offer protection for those that have spoken out, as retaliation is the reason people do say anything.

It is never just a single child, it involves gangs on childen, co-ordinated via social media or mobiles to ensure they are where the bus it as the right time, and that no-one is looking.

So many parents are behind this...

Maybe those children that are caught, are not just handed, asbo's or the junior like, but also, the children's parents, are made to pay the cost of replacing the windows, by docking their benefits.
Only those on benefits? So if the parents are working they pay nothing, stupid attitude, there is nothing in the story to suugest the parents are not working.
I didn't mean it is just those on benefits, if the parents are working then a court order to the employer to deduct from source too.

If parents were made to pay for the damage the children cause, giving the parents hardship, for lack of parenting skills, then they just might stop little "tommy" lobbing bricks...

The children get a junior asbo, the parents just laugh at the moment,,, When I was a child, parents were made to pay for damages in situations like this, so why have they parents got given a free hand..

I am a parent myself, and I know where and what my child is doing... And she is a teenager too, but we share interests and doing things as a family unit, so she doesn't need to wander the streets looking for something to destroy, for pleasure
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: These stone attacks, have ben taking place on both First & Bluestar buses across the city for over a decade. Thornhill was classed a no-go zone before on evening services. It is about time, those neighbours and residents start naming, names to the Authorities,,, And the Police alike can actually offer protection for those that have spoken out, as retaliation is the reason people do say anything. It is never just a single child, it involves gangs on childen, co-ordinated via social media or mobiles to ensure they are where the bus it as the right time, and that no-one is looking. So many parents are behind this... Maybe those children that are caught, are not just handed, asbo's or the junior like, but also, the children's parents, are made to pay the cost of replacing the windows, by docking their benefits.[/p][/quote]Only those on benefits? So if the parents are working they pay nothing, stupid attitude, there is nothing in the story to suugest the parents are not working.[/p][/quote]I didn't mean it is just those on benefits, if the parents are working then a court order to the employer to deduct from source too. If parents were made to pay for the damage the children cause, giving the parents hardship, for lack of parenting skills, then they just might stop little "tommy" lobbing bricks... The children get a junior asbo, the parents just laugh at the moment,,, When I was a child, parents were made to pay for damages in situations like this, so why have they parents got given a free hand.. I am a parent myself, and I know where and what my child is doing... And she is a teenager too, but we share interests and doing things as a family unit, so she doesn't need to wander the streets looking for something to destroy, for pleasure sotonbusdriver

12:55pm Wed 26 Feb 14

bigfella777 says...

The more they keep pitting it on facebook, the chavs favourite form of communication as it doesn't involve using syllables, the more it will happen unfortunately.
The more they keep pitting it on facebook, the chavs favourite form of communication as it doesn't involve using syllables, the more it will happen unfortunately. bigfella777

1:03pm Wed 26 Feb 14

gilbertratchet says...

espanuel wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
freakout wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?
Thats the parents job !!
I disagree, it's both of their jobs. A lot of parents have no respect themselves, so are hardly going to influence their little darlings who probably take no notice of them anyway. There are no punishments allowable these days so another approach has to made to win hearts and minds. Respect has to be taught and encouraged, it can no longer be beaten into the kids of today.
If you want respect you have to earn it. It is not an entitlement. A few years ago a guy came into a bar where I was working and was mouthing off saying I want respect and I said to him if you want that go out an earn it. I didn't see him for about a year. And who walks into the bar, this said gentleman and said yes you were right. when I left the bar that night I was mouthing off and got a right punch in the jaw and ended up in hospital. I have since learnt my lesson. Respect does not cost anything.
This actually happened.
[quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freakout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?[/p][/quote]Thats the parents job !![/p][/quote]I disagree, it's both of their jobs. A lot of parents have no respect themselves, so are hardly going to influence their little darlings who probably take no notice of them anyway. There are no punishments allowable these days so another approach has to made to win hearts and minds. Respect has to be taught and encouraged, it can no longer be beaten into the kids of today.[/p][/quote]If you want respect you have to earn it. It is not an entitlement. A few years ago a guy came into a bar where I was working and was mouthing off saying I want respect and I said to him if you want that go out an earn it. I didn't see him for about a year. And who walks into the bar, this said gentleman and said yes you were right. when I left the bar that night I was mouthing off and got a right punch in the jaw and ended up in hospital. I have since learnt my lesson. Respect does not cost anything.[/p][/quote]This actually happened. gilbertratchet

1:05pm Wed 26 Feb 14

gilbertratchet says...

sotonbusdriver wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonbusdriver wrote:
These stone attacks, have ben taking place on both First & Bluestar buses across the city for over a decade.

Thornhill was classed a no-go zone before on evening services.

It is about time, those neighbours and residents start naming, names to the Authorities,,, And the Police alike can actually offer protection for those that have spoken out, as retaliation is the reason people do say anything.

It is never just a single child, it involves gangs on childen, co-ordinated via social media or mobiles to ensure they are where the bus it as the right time, and that no-one is looking.

So many parents are behind this...

Maybe those children that are caught, are not just handed, asbo's or the junior like, but also, the children's parents, are made to pay the cost of replacing the windows, by docking their benefits.
Only those on benefits? So if the parents are working they pay nothing, stupid attitude, there is nothing in the story to suugest the parents are not working.
I didn't mean it is just those on benefits, if the parents are working then a court order to the employer to deduct from source too.

If parents were made to pay for the damage the children cause, giving the parents hardship, for lack of parenting skills, then they just might stop little "tommy" lobbing bricks...

The children get a junior asbo, the parents just laugh at the moment,,, When I was a child, parents were made to pay for damages in situations like this, so why have they parents got given a free hand..

I am a parent myself, and I know where and what my child is doing... And she is a teenager too, but we share interests and doing things as a family unit, so she doesn't need to wander the streets looking for something to destroy, for pleasure
What makes you so sure you know what your daughter is up to?
[quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: These stone attacks, have ben taking place on both First & Bluestar buses across the city for over a decade. Thornhill was classed a no-go zone before on evening services. It is about time, those neighbours and residents start naming, names to the Authorities,,, And the Police alike can actually offer protection for those that have spoken out, as retaliation is the reason people do say anything. It is never just a single child, it involves gangs on childen, co-ordinated via social media or mobiles to ensure they are where the bus it as the right time, and that no-one is looking. So many parents are behind this... Maybe those children that are caught, are not just handed, asbo's or the junior like, but also, the children's parents, are made to pay the cost of replacing the windows, by docking their benefits.[/p][/quote]Only those on benefits? So if the parents are working they pay nothing, stupid attitude, there is nothing in the story to suugest the parents are not working.[/p][/quote]I didn't mean it is just those on benefits, if the parents are working then a court order to the employer to deduct from source too. If parents were made to pay for the damage the children cause, giving the parents hardship, for lack of parenting skills, then they just might stop little "tommy" lobbing bricks... The children get a junior asbo, the parents just laugh at the moment,,, When I was a child, parents were made to pay for damages in situations like this, so why have they parents got given a free hand.. I am a parent myself, and I know where and what my child is doing... And she is a teenager too, but we share interests and doing things as a family unit, so she doesn't need to wander the streets looking for something to destroy, for pleasure[/p][/quote]What makes you so sure you know what your daughter is up to? gilbertratchet

1:14pm Wed 26 Feb 14

mickey01 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
freakout wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?
Thats the parents job !!
well said . the teachers have enough of a job
Teachers have enough of a job, why is that? Is it because the pupils don't respect them? I suggest you try engaging brain before making daft statements.
they dont respect them d*** head because they are not taught any respect from birth
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freakout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?[/p][/quote]Thats the parents job !![/p][/quote]well said . the teachers have enough of a job[/p][/quote]Teachers have enough of a job, why is that? Is it because the pupils don't respect them? I suggest you try engaging brain before making daft statements.[/p][/quote]they dont respect them d*** head because they are not taught any respect from birth mickey01

1:27pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Inform Al says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
sotonbusdriver wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonbusdriver wrote:
These stone attacks, have ben taking place on both First & Bluestar buses across the city for over a decade.

Thornhill was classed a no-go zone before on evening services.

It is about time, those neighbours and residents start naming, names to the Authorities,,, And the Police alike can actually offer protection for those that have spoken out, as retaliation is the reason people do say anything.

It is never just a single child, it involves gangs on childen, co-ordinated via social media or mobiles to ensure they are where the bus it as the right time, and that no-one is looking.

So many parents are behind this...

Maybe those children that are caught, are not just handed, asbo's or the junior like, but also, the children's parents, are made to pay the cost of replacing the windows, by docking their benefits.
Only those on benefits? So if the parents are working they pay nothing, stupid attitude, there is nothing in the story to suugest the parents are not working.
I didn't mean it is just those on benefits, if the parents are working then a court order to the employer to deduct from source too.

If parents were made to pay for the damage the children cause, giving the parents hardship, for lack of parenting skills, then they just might stop little "tommy" lobbing bricks...

The children get a junior asbo, the parents just laugh at the moment,,, When I was a child, parents were made to pay for damages in situations like this, so why have they parents got given a free hand..

I am a parent myself, and I know where and what my child is doing... And she is a teenager too, but we share interests and doing things as a family unit, so she doesn't need to wander the streets looking for something to destroy, for pleasure
What makes you so sure you know what your daughter is up to?
Possibly because he is a good parent. I also used to know what my kids were up to and where they were 24/7. It's part of bringing children up properly and doing ones duty as a parent.
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: These stone attacks, have ben taking place on both First & Bluestar buses across the city for over a decade. Thornhill was classed a no-go zone before on evening services. It is about time, those neighbours and residents start naming, names to the Authorities,,, And the Police alike can actually offer protection for those that have spoken out, as retaliation is the reason people do say anything. It is never just a single child, it involves gangs on childen, co-ordinated via social media or mobiles to ensure they are where the bus it as the right time, and that no-one is looking. So many parents are behind this... Maybe those children that are caught, are not just handed, asbo's or the junior like, but also, the children's parents, are made to pay the cost of replacing the windows, by docking their benefits.[/p][/quote]Only those on benefits? So if the parents are working they pay nothing, stupid attitude, there is nothing in the story to suugest the parents are not working.[/p][/quote]I didn't mean it is just those on benefits, if the parents are working then a court order to the employer to deduct from source too. If parents were made to pay for the damage the children cause, giving the parents hardship, for lack of parenting skills, then they just might stop little "tommy" lobbing bricks... The children get a junior asbo, the parents just laugh at the moment,,, When I was a child, parents were made to pay for damages in situations like this, so why have they parents got given a free hand.. I am a parent myself, and I know where and what my child is doing... And she is a teenager too, but we share interests and doing things as a family unit, so she doesn't need to wander the streets looking for something to destroy, for pleasure[/p][/quote]What makes you so sure you know what your daughter is up to?[/p][/quote]Possibly because he is a good parent. I also used to know what my kids were up to and where they were 24/7. It's part of bringing children up properly and doing ones duty as a parent. Inform Al

1:47pm Wed 26 Feb 14

KSO16R says...

mickey01 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
freakout wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?
Thats the parents job !!
well said . the teachers have enough of a job
Teachers have enough of a job, why is that? Is it because the pupils don't respect them? I suggest you try engaging brain before making daft statements.
they dont respect them d*** head because they are not taught any respect from birth
Laughs out loud . . . Mickey01 you need to show more respect when discussing issues like this and not throw insults at others just because you disagree. Did you throw stones as a child?
[quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freakout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?[/p][/quote]Thats the parents job !![/p][/quote]well said . the teachers have enough of a job[/p][/quote]Teachers have enough of a job, why is that? Is it because the pupils don't respect them? I suggest you try engaging brain before making daft statements.[/p][/quote]they dont respect them d*** head because they are not taught any respect from birth[/p][/quote]Laughs out loud . . . Mickey01 you need to show more respect when discussing issues like this and not throw insults at others just because you disagree. Did you throw stones as a child? KSO16R

1:51pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Shirley_Girl says...

loosehead wrote:
the Echo prints the story about Redbridge & hey it happens at Shirley so instead of l;earning the Echo goes ahead & prints about that attack. Then you had the story of the battle bus & surprise,surprise It's now happening in other areas? Monkey sees Monkey do or in this case Monkey reads about it Monkey goes & does it
Somehow I don't think these kids are spending too much time reading the Echo website?....
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: the Echo prints the story about Redbridge & hey it happens at Shirley so instead of l;earning the Echo goes ahead & prints about that attack. Then you had the story of the battle bus & surprise,surprise It's now happening in other areas? Monkey sees Monkey do or in this case Monkey reads about it Monkey goes & does it[/p][/quote]Somehow I don't think these kids are spending too much time reading the Echo website?.... Shirley_Girl

1:53pm Wed 26 Feb 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

mickey01 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
freakout wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?
Thats the parents job !!
well said . the teachers have enough of a job
Teachers have enough of a job, why is that? Is it because the pupils don't respect them? I suggest you try engaging brain before making daft statements.
they dont respect them d*** head because they are not taught any respect from birth
I will ignor your disrespect for the moment, but my point was that kids are not taught respect by their parents from birth, that is why they need to be taught now by anyone that can and will. Your turn waits in the queue.
[quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freakout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?[/p][/quote]Thats the parents job !![/p][/quote]well said . the teachers have enough of a job[/p][/quote]Teachers have enough of a job, why is that? Is it because the pupils don't respect them? I suggest you try engaging brain before making daft statements.[/p][/quote]they dont respect them d*** head because they are not taught any respect from birth[/p][/quote]I will ignor your disrespect for the moment, but my point was that kids are not taught respect by their parents from birth, that is why they need to be taught now by anyone that can and will. Your turn waits in the queue. OSPREYSAINT

1:54pm Wed 26 Feb 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Shirley_Girl wrote:
loosehead wrote:
the Echo prints the story about Redbridge & hey it happens at Shirley so instead of l;earning the Echo goes ahead & prints about that attack. Then you had the story of the battle bus & surprise,surprise It's now happening in other areas? Monkey sees Monkey do or in this case Monkey reads about it Monkey goes & does it
Somehow I don't think these kids are spending too much time reading the Echo website?....
Hopefully the parents may read the comments, always assuming they can read of course.
[quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: the Echo prints the story about Redbridge & hey it happens at Shirley so instead of l;earning the Echo goes ahead & prints about that attack. Then you had the story of the battle bus & surprise,surprise It's now happening in other areas? Monkey sees Monkey do or in this case Monkey reads about it Monkey goes & does it[/p][/quote]Somehow I don't think these kids are spending too much time reading the Echo website?....[/p][/quote]Hopefully the parents may read the comments, always assuming they can read of course. OSPREYSAINT

1:56pm Wed 26 Feb 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

espanuel wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
freakout wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?
Thats the parents job !!
I disagree, it's both of their jobs. A lot of parents have no respect themselves, so are hardly going to influence their little darlings who probably take no notice of them anyway. There are no punishments allowable these days so another approach has to made to win hearts and minds. Respect has to be taught and encouraged, it can no longer be beaten into the kids of today.
If you want respect you have to earn it. It is not an entitlement. A few years ago a guy came into a bar where I was working and was mouthing off saying I want respect and I said to him if you want that go out an earn it. I didn't see him for about a year. And who walks into the bar, this said gentleman and said yes you were right. when I left the bar that night I was mouthing off and got a right punch in the jaw and ended up in hospital. I have since learnt my lesson. Respect does not cost anything.
If you want respect, the first thing you have to do is learn what it is.
[quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freakout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?[/p][/quote]Thats the parents job !![/p][/quote]I disagree, it's both of their jobs. A lot of parents have no respect themselves, so are hardly going to influence their little darlings who probably take no notice of them anyway. There are no punishments allowable these days so another approach has to made to win hearts and minds. Respect has to be taught and encouraged, it can no longer be beaten into the kids of today.[/p][/quote]If you want respect you have to earn it. It is not an entitlement. A few years ago a guy came into a bar where I was working and was mouthing off saying I want respect and I said to him if you want that go out an earn it. I didn't see him for about a year. And who walks into the bar, this said gentleman and said yes you were right. when I left the bar that night I was mouthing off and got a right punch in the jaw and ended up in hospital. I have since learnt my lesson. Respect does not cost anything.[/p][/quote]If you want respect, the first thing you have to do is learn what it is. OSPREYSAINT

1:59pm Wed 26 Feb 14

imspacedout says...

manic75 wrote:
I say cancel the bus service. If these communities cannot control their kids, they don't get a bus service, simples. Secondly, these yobs need to be caught and have the cr@p beaten out of them. Maybe some forced hard labour to pay for the repairs to the busses and the trauma caused to those affected by the attacks too. These imbeciles don't deserve a life... period.
They don't deserve a life, because they threw a stone? Lmao. With your view on punishment, there will be no one left in the world. Let's nuke us all for our sins, yes?
[quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: I say cancel the bus service. If these communities cannot control their kids, they don't get a bus service, simples. Secondly, these yobs need to be caught and have the cr@p beaten out of them. Maybe some forced hard labour to pay for the repairs to the busses and the trauma caused to those affected by the attacks too. These imbeciles don't deserve a life... period.[/p][/quote]They don't deserve a life, because they threw a stone? Lmao. With your view on punishment, there will be no one left in the world. Let's nuke us all for our sins, yes? imspacedout

1:59pm Wed 26 Feb 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

ShirleyLad wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
freakout wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?
Thats the parents job !!
well said . the teachers have enough of a job
Teachers have enough of a job, why is that? Is it because the pupils don't respect them? I suggest you try engaging brain before making daft statements.
Thats cos their lazy parents can't be bothered to teach them the basic of like : Respect Honesty etc. These people always them want to blame some else for their shortcomings. It isn't the job of a teacher to bring up a lazy parents child.
It doesn't have to be a chore or compulsory, school, it is the best place where contact and communication can be made, if teachers expect respect, the people they want to receive it from need to know what it is, is that too diificult to understand?
[quote][p][bold]ShirleyLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freakout[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?[/p][/quote]Thats the parents job !![/p][/quote]well said . the teachers have enough of a job[/p][/quote]Teachers have enough of a job, why is that? Is it because the pupils don't respect them? I suggest you try engaging brain before making daft statements.[/p][/quote]Thats cos their lazy parents can't be bothered to teach them the basic of like : Respect Honesty etc. These people always them want to blame some else for their shortcomings. It isn't the job of a teacher to bring up a lazy parents child.[/p][/quote]It doesn't have to be a chore or compulsory, school, it is the best place where contact and communication can be made, if teachers expect respect, the people they want to receive it from need to know what it is, is that too diificult to understand? OSPREYSAINT

2:04pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Northamboy says...

A few years ago I was driving a bus through Millbrook and had two windows put out. A woman who was showered with glass said she knew the kids and I asked if she would be telling the police. Her reply was "no I'm not getting involved"

At the time there were about 15 passengers on the bus and I asked if anyone saw who did it, about three said no and the others just completely ignored me. Sums it up doesn't it.
A few years ago I was driving a bus through Millbrook and had two windows put out. A woman who was showered with glass said she knew the kids and I asked if she would be telling the police. Her reply was "no I'm not getting involved" At the time there were about 15 passengers on the bus and I asked if anyone saw who did it, about three said no and the others just completely ignored me. Sums it up doesn't it. Northamboy

2:06pm Wed 26 Feb 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Putting this into perspective, the population of Southampton is getting near 250,000 and we are making a lot of fuss about probably a dozen miscreants, that are making it difficult for a couple of hundred people, if they can be found and pointed in the right direction, there will still be more to take their place.
Putting this into perspective, the population of Southampton is getting near 250,000 and we are making a lot of fuss about probably a dozen miscreants, that are making it difficult for a couple of hundred people, if they can be found and pointed in the right direction, there will still be more to take their place. OSPREYSAINT

2:07pm Wed 26 Feb 14

madmandy says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
madmandy wrote:
once the child has been caught for doing anti social activities the parents should have their family allowance taken away to pay back any cost to repair any damage,Also get the child to do community service jobs eg picking up litter in local parks .
How many actually get caught though? Are you saying that the perpretrators are only sons and daughters of the poor and needy? A bit narrow minded I am thinking. Why do you think these kids are resorting to this kind of behaviour, may it be because there is little else for them to do, is that a problem that can be addressed?
i did not mention poor or needy because everyone gets family allowance I lived on an estate and definitely not narrow minded . My four children grow up on one and turned out great adults it might be because i parented them to understand right from wrong.I agree some children need more outside activities to keep them busy and keep them out of mischief but where do you get the money for it . Also
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]madmandy[/bold] wrote: once the child has been caught for doing anti social activities the parents should have their family allowance taken away to pay back any cost to repair any damage,Also get the child to do community service jobs eg picking up litter in local parks .[/p][/quote]How many actually get caught though? Are you saying that the perpretrators are only sons and daughters of the poor and needy? A bit narrow minded I am thinking. Why do you think these kids are resorting to this kind of behaviour, may it be because there is little else for them to do, is that a problem that can be addressed?[/p][/quote]i did not mention poor or needy because everyone gets family allowance I lived on an estate and definitely not narrow minded . My four children grow up on one and turned out great adults it might be because i parented them to understand right from wrong.I agree some children need more outside activities to keep them busy and keep them out of mischief but where do you get the money for it . Also madmandy

3:06pm Wed 26 Feb 14

gilbertratchet says...

Inform Al wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
sotonbusdriver wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonbusdriver wrote:
These stone attacks, have ben taking place on both First & Bluestar buses across the city for over a decade.

Thornhill was classed a no-go zone before on evening services.

It is about time, those neighbours and residents start naming, names to the Authorities,,, And the Police alike can actually offer protection for those that have spoken out, as retaliation is the reason people do say anything.

It is never just a single child, it involves gangs on childen, co-ordinated via social media or mobiles to ensure they are where the bus it as the right time, and that no-one is looking.

So many parents are behind this...

Maybe those children that are caught, are not just handed, asbo's or the junior like, but also, the children's parents, are made to pay the cost of replacing the windows, by docking their benefits.
Only those on benefits? So if the parents are working they pay nothing, stupid attitude, there is nothing in the story to suugest the parents are not working.
I didn't mean it is just those on benefits, if the parents are working then a court order to the employer to deduct from source too.

If parents were made to pay for the damage the children cause, giving the parents hardship, for lack of parenting skills, then they just might stop little "tommy" lobbing bricks...

The children get a junior asbo, the parents just laugh at the moment,,, When I was a child, parents were made to pay for damages in situations like this, so why have they parents got given a free hand..

I am a parent myself, and I know where and what my child is doing... And she is a teenager too, but we share interests and doing things as a family unit, so she doesn't need to wander the streets looking for something to destroy, for pleasure
What makes you so sure you know what your daughter is up to?
Possibly because he is a good parent. I also used to know what my kids were up to and where they were 24/7. It's part of bringing children up properly and doing ones duty as a parent.
Forgive me, I'm absolutely not suggesting either of you aren't good parents. Just pointing out that it's in the nature of teenagers to conceal things from their parents.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonbusdriver[/bold] wrote: These stone attacks, have ben taking place on both First & Bluestar buses across the city for over a decade. Thornhill was classed a no-go zone before on evening services. It is about time, those neighbours and residents start naming, names to the Authorities,,, And the Police alike can actually offer protection for those that have spoken out, as retaliation is the reason people do say anything. It is never just a single child, it involves gangs on childen, co-ordinated via social media or mobiles to ensure they are where the bus it as the right time, and that no-one is looking. So many parents are behind this... Maybe those children that are caught, are not just handed, asbo's or the junior like, but also, the children's parents, are made to pay the cost of replacing the windows, by docking their benefits.[/p][/quote]Only those on benefits? So if the parents are working they pay nothing, stupid attitude, there is nothing in the story to suugest the parents are not working.[/p][/quote]I didn't mean it is just those on benefits, if the parents are working then a court order to the employer to deduct from source too. If parents were made to pay for the damage the children cause, giving the parents hardship, for lack of parenting skills, then they just might stop little "tommy" lobbing bricks... The children get a junior asbo, the parents just laugh at the moment,,, When I was a child, parents were made to pay for damages in situations like this, so why have they parents got given a free hand.. I am a parent myself, and I know where and what my child is doing... And she is a teenager too, but we share interests and doing things as a family unit, so she doesn't need to wander the streets looking for something to destroy, for pleasure[/p][/quote]What makes you so sure you know what your daughter is up to?[/p][/quote]Possibly because he is a good parent. I also used to know what my kids were up to and where they were 24/7. It's part of bringing children up properly and doing ones duty as a parent.[/p][/quote]Forgive me, I'm absolutely not suggesting either of you aren't good parents. Just pointing out that it's in the nature of teenagers to conceal things from their parents. gilbertratchet

3:08pm Wed 26 Feb 14

gilbertratchet says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Shirley_Girl wrote:
loosehead wrote:
the Echo prints the story about Redbridge & hey it happens at Shirley so instead of l;earning the Echo goes ahead & prints about that attack. Then you had the story of the battle bus & surprise,surprise It's now happening in other areas? Monkey sees Monkey do or in this case Monkey reads about it Monkey goes & does it
Somehow I don't think these kids are spending too much time reading the Echo website?....
Hopefully the parents may read the comments, always assuming they can read of course.
I think that's a rather snobbish comment to make, to be honest. The assumptions are rife on stories like this. Parents of badly behaved children are alcoholic, job-avoiding, benefit-claiming illiterate scum, apparently. Does it ever occur to anyone that we've developed something of an underclass in this country, and by continuing to treat them as lesser human beings simply perpetuates the problem?

I thought more of you than that, osprey.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: the Echo prints the story about Redbridge & hey it happens at Shirley so instead of l;earning the Echo goes ahead & prints about that attack. Then you had the story of the battle bus & surprise,surprise It's now happening in other areas? Monkey sees Monkey do or in this case Monkey reads about it Monkey goes & does it[/p][/quote]Somehow I don't think these kids are spending too much time reading the Echo website?....[/p][/quote]Hopefully the parents may read the comments, always assuming they can read of course.[/p][/quote]I think that's a rather snobbish comment to make, to be honest. The assumptions are rife on stories like this. Parents of badly behaved children are alcoholic, job-avoiding, benefit-claiming illiterate scum, apparently. Does it ever occur to anyone that we've developed something of an underclass in this country, and by continuing to treat them as lesser human beings simply perpetuates the problem? I thought more of you than that, osprey. gilbertratchet

3:14pm Wed 26 Feb 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Shirley_Girl wrote:
loosehead wrote:
the Echo prints the story about Redbridge & hey it happens at Shirley so instead of l;earning the Echo goes ahead & prints about that attack. Then you had the story of the battle bus & surprise,surprise It's now happening in other areas? Monkey sees Monkey do or in this case Monkey reads about it Monkey goes & does it
Somehow I don't think these kids are spending too much time reading the Echo website?....
Hopefully the parents may read the comments, always assuming they can read of course.
I think that's a rather snobbish comment to make, to be honest. The assumptions are rife on stories like this. Parents of badly behaved children are alcoholic, job-avoiding, benefit-claiming illiterate scum, apparently. Does it ever occur to anyone that we've developed something of an underclass in this country, and by continuing to treat them as lesser human beings simply perpetuates the problem?

I thought more of you than that, osprey.
You misunderstood my intention, it was just a dig at those running down the poorer families, not a dig at people who are unfortunate in their education or ability.
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shirley_Girl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: the Echo prints the story about Redbridge & hey it happens at Shirley so instead of l;earning the Echo goes ahead & prints about that attack. Then you had the story of the battle bus & surprise,surprise It's now happening in other areas? Monkey sees Monkey do or in this case Monkey reads about it Monkey goes & does it[/p][/quote]Somehow I don't think these kids are spending too much time reading the Echo website?....[/p][/quote]Hopefully the parents may read the comments, always assuming they can read of course.[/p][/quote]I think that's a rather snobbish comment to make, to be honest. The assumptions are rife on stories like this. Parents of badly behaved children are alcoholic, job-avoiding, benefit-claiming illiterate scum, apparently. Does it ever occur to anyone that we've developed something of an underclass in this country, and by continuing to treat them as lesser human beings simply perpetuates the problem? I thought more of you than that, osprey.[/p][/quote]You misunderstood my intention, it was just a dig at those running down the poorer families, not a dig at people who are unfortunate in their education or ability. OSPREYSAINT

3:43pm Wed 26 Feb 14

loosehead says...

So if a bus driver stops & grabs one of them to hand to the police won't he get done for manhandling a minor?
Why do you think under 16's give so much mouth & in some cases attack older people? because if you tried to defend yourself nine times out of ten your in trouble not them.
If I was mouthy to an older person I'd more than likely get a clip around the ear by that person then they'd knock my door & my mum would hit me exactly what happens now in a lot of the cases?
knock the door tell the parent what there teenage child has done & get at the least verbal abuse if not attacked by the parents.
No you can't say it's only Welfare children but you can point the blame or at least 95% of it at council/Housing Association tenants,
maybe round them up take them away for every holiday they have put them into a 60's style boot camp & let's see if they're as big as they think they are!
So if a bus driver stops & grabs one of them to hand to the police won't he get done for manhandling a minor? Why do you think under 16's give so much mouth & in some cases attack older people? because if you tried to defend yourself nine times out of ten your in trouble not them. If I was mouthy to an older person I'd more than likely get a clip around the ear by that person then they'd knock my door & my mum would hit me exactly what happens now in a lot of the cases? knock the door tell the parent what there teenage child has done & get at the least verbal abuse if not attacked by the parents. No you can't say it's only Welfare children but you can point the blame or at least 95% of it at council/Housing Association tenants, maybe round them up take them away for every holiday they have put them into a 60's style boot camp & let's see if they're as big as they think they are! loosehead

3:53pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Mary80 says...

The thing is i live near St Monica road in Sholing and there's a lot of teens that hang around the area i mean i saw them throwing a tennis ball at the bonnets of cars for god sake. The police do NAFF ALL to curb the anti social behaviour
The thing is i live near St Monica road in Sholing and there's a lot of teens that hang around the area i mean i saw them throwing a tennis ball at the bonnets of cars for god sake. The police do NAFF ALL to curb the anti social behaviour Mary80

4:18pm Wed 26 Feb 14

ydkjs2 says...

loosehead wrote:
the Echo prints the story about Redbridge & hey it happens at Shirley so instead of l;earning the Echo goes ahead & prints about that attack.
Then you had the story of the battle bus & surprise,surprise It's now happening in other areas?
Monkey sees Monkey do or in this case Monkey reads about it Monkey goes & does it
Do you really think those twits read? Especially the newspaper?? I don't know the solution to this 'behavior' but I doubt the spread of it has anything to do with the reporting in the newspaper. personally, I think if the parents are punished they might take responsibility for their offspring's behavior. Please note I said 'might'.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: the Echo prints the story about Redbridge & hey it happens at Shirley so instead of l;earning the Echo goes ahead & prints about that attack. Then you had the story of the battle bus & surprise,surprise It's now happening in other areas? Monkey sees Monkey do or in this case Monkey reads about it Monkey goes & does it[/p][/quote]Do you really think those twits read? Especially the newspaper?? I don't know the solution to this 'behavior' but I doubt the spread of it has anything to do with the reporting in the newspaper. personally, I think if the parents are punished they might take responsibility for their offspring's behavior. Please note I said 'might'. ydkjs2

4:29pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Inform Al says...

loosehead wrote:
So if a bus driver stops & grabs one of them to hand to the police won't he get done for manhandling a minor?
Why do you think under 16's give so much mouth & in some cases attack older people? because if you tried to defend yourself nine times out of ten your in trouble not them.
If I was mouthy to an older person I'd more than likely get a clip around the ear by that person then they'd knock my door & my mum would hit me exactly what happens now in a lot of the cases?
knock the door tell the parent what there teenage child has done & get at the least verbal abuse if not attacked by the parents.
No you can't say it's only Welfare children but you can point the blame or at least 95% of it at council/Housing Association tenants,
maybe round them up take them away for every holiday they have put them into a 60's style boot camp & let's see if they're as big as they think they are!
You have a disgusting Tory bias against a section of the working class. When we finally got a police officer in Swaythling that cared enough to cure the problems we had endured for years only one of the culprits who became inmates came from a council house. ALL the rest were either in private rental with two or three from homes owned by their parents. As an ex Chair of the local Residents Association I know them all so was aware of their backgrounds.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So if a bus driver stops & grabs one of them to hand to the police won't he get done for manhandling a minor? Why do you think under 16's give so much mouth & in some cases attack older people? because if you tried to defend yourself nine times out of ten your in trouble not them. If I was mouthy to an older person I'd more than likely get a clip around the ear by that person then they'd knock my door & my mum would hit me exactly what happens now in a lot of the cases? knock the door tell the parent what there teenage child has done & get at the least verbal abuse if not attacked by the parents. No you can't say it's only Welfare children but you can point the blame or at least 95% of it at council/Housing Association tenants, maybe round them up take them away for every holiday they have put them into a 60's style boot camp & let's see if they're as big as they think they are![/p][/quote]You have a disgusting Tory bias against a section of the working class. When we finally got a police officer in Swaythling that cared enough to cure the problems we had endured for years only one of the culprits who became inmates came from a council house. ALL the rest were either in private rental with two or three from homes owned by their parents. As an ex Chair of the local Residents Association I know them all so was aware of their backgrounds. Inform Al

4:36pm Wed 26 Feb 14

sburman says...

JBSAINT wrote:
manic75 wrote:
I say cancel the bus service. If these communities cannot control their kids, they don't get a bus service, simples. Secondly, these yobs need to be caught and have the cr@p beaten out of them. Maybe some forced hard labour to pay for the repairs to the busses and the trauma caused to those affected by the attacks too. These imbeciles don't deserve a life... period.
So you think the service shoul stop. If this happened on St Monica Rd this means it is the number 3 bus that services Thornhill. I abide the law and have never had to speak to the police and live in Thornhill. I work in Woolston and my only way of getting home is by bus (as a taxi fare is too expensive). So why should I be made to suffer because parents can't control or give a stuff about their kids?
May I suggest that you find a few like minded people, find these darlings and instruct them in the error of their ways.
[quote][p][bold]JBSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: I say cancel the bus service. If these communities cannot control their kids, they don't get a bus service, simples. Secondly, these yobs need to be caught and have the cr@p beaten out of them. Maybe some forced hard labour to pay for the repairs to the busses and the trauma caused to those affected by the attacks too. These imbeciles don't deserve a life... period.[/p][/quote]So you think the service shoul stop. If this happened on St Monica Rd this means it is the number 3 bus that services Thornhill. I abide the law and have never had to speak to the police and live in Thornhill. I work in Woolston and my only way of getting home is by bus (as a taxi fare is too expensive). So why should I be made to suffer because parents can't control or give a stuff about their kids?[/p][/quote]May I suggest that you find a few like minded people, find these darlings and instruct them in the error of their ways. sburman

4:42pm Wed 26 Feb 14

RomseyKeith says...

There's no deterent as they know the police will only give them an ASBO (a badge of honour for most). They know grown-ups can't touch them either. And there's nothing else for them to do these days. No youth clubs, few parks, few football pitches or free venues for them to attend.

It's true that when most of us were young we'd get a clip or a spanking, and we'd often have more respect for our elders as a result. If we damaged anything we had to pay it back, or earn it off doing chores.

But there were also more fun things for us to do. We had school discos, youth clubs, and the park near me had climbing frames and an aerial runway. These days that park (in Eight Acres) is a wierd art display. The rope swings across the river are all cut down. And other than the odd dog walker, there's no-one there.

The bus companies need to protect their customers and employees. And as always, it is the law-abiding who need those services who suffer. But rather than just suffer, why not act? Stand up and be counted. Testify against those who are doing these things. I've attended court as a witness before. It is unsettling, but it is the right thing to do. Have the courage of your convictions rather than blame everyone else whilst sitting back and allowing it to happen.
There's no deterent as they know the police will only give them an ASBO (a badge of honour for most). They know grown-ups can't touch them either. And there's nothing else for them to do these days. No youth clubs, few parks, few football pitches or free venues for them to attend. It's true that when most of us were young we'd get a clip or a spanking, and we'd often have more respect for our elders as a result. If we damaged anything we had to pay it back, or earn it off doing chores. But there were also more fun things for us to do. We had school discos, youth clubs, and the park near me had climbing frames and an aerial runway. These days that park (in Eight Acres) is a wierd art display. The rope swings across the river are all cut down. And other than the odd dog walker, there's no-one there. The bus companies need to protect their customers and employees. And as always, it is the law-abiding who need those services who suffer. But rather than just suffer, why not act? Stand up and be counted. Testify against those who are doing these things. I've attended court as a witness before. It is unsettling, but it is the right thing to do. Have the courage of your convictions rather than blame everyone else whilst sitting back and allowing it to happen. RomseyKeith

6:40pm Wed 26 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So if a bus driver stops & grabs one of them to hand to the police won't he get done for manhandling a minor?
Why do you think under 16's give so much mouth & in some cases attack older people? because if you tried to defend yourself nine times out of ten your in trouble not them.
If I was mouthy to an older person I'd more than likely get a clip around the ear by that person then they'd knock my door & my mum would hit me exactly what happens now in a lot of the cases?
knock the door tell the parent what there teenage child has done & get at the least verbal abuse if not attacked by the parents.
No you can't say it's only Welfare children but you can point the blame or at least 95% of it at council/Housing Association tenants,
maybe round them up take them away for every holiday they have put them into a 60's style boot camp & let's see if they're as big as they think they are!
You have a disgusting Tory bias against a section of the working class. When we finally got a police officer in Swaythling that cared enough to cure the problems we had endured for years only one of the culprits who became inmates came from a council house. ALL the rest were either in private rental with two or three from homes owned by their parents. As an ex Chair of the local Residents Association I know them all so was aware of their backgrounds.
didn't you come from a privileged back ground? I didn't & I hate these middle class twits who tell us how bad we've got it & run down the area's we live in.
you spout on about Swaythling but do you talk for the majority of residents there?
my old mate who's a well known DJ disagrees with you with a hatred & he's definitely from Swaythling. it's that bad some of the area known as the flower gardens have tried ti dis associate themselves with Swaythling by putting down Basset on their mail.
I come from & I'm proud of it from a council home in that area the people were proud of the houses they were living in & kept up the gardens & to some extent the houses now go there & see the state of it all.
In a good council area with people who respected the old & other peoples properties there are real decent people but that type of council area has almost disappeared & if you can't see that then God help this city if you ever became a councillor
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So if a bus driver stops & grabs one of them to hand to the police won't he get done for manhandling a minor? Why do you think under 16's give so much mouth & in some cases attack older people? because if you tried to defend yourself nine times out of ten your in trouble not them. If I was mouthy to an older person I'd more than likely get a clip around the ear by that person then they'd knock my door & my mum would hit me exactly what happens now in a lot of the cases? knock the door tell the parent what there teenage child has done & get at the least verbal abuse if not attacked by the parents. No you can't say it's only Welfare children but you can point the blame or at least 95% of it at council/Housing Association tenants, maybe round them up take them away for every holiday they have put them into a 60's style boot camp & let's see if they're as big as they think they are![/p][/quote]You have a disgusting Tory bias against a section of the working class. When we finally got a police officer in Swaythling that cared enough to cure the problems we had endured for years only one of the culprits who became inmates came from a council house. ALL the rest were either in private rental with two or three from homes owned by their parents. As an ex Chair of the local Residents Association I know them all so was aware of their backgrounds.[/p][/quote]didn't you come from a privileged back ground? I didn't & I hate these middle class twits who tell us how bad we've got it & run down the area's we live in. you spout on about Swaythling but do you talk for the majority of residents there? my old mate who's a well known DJ disagrees with you with a hatred & he's definitely from Swaythling. it's that bad some of the area known as the flower gardens have tried ti dis associate themselves with Swaythling by putting down Basset on their mail. I come from & I'm proud of it from a council home in that area the people were proud of the houses they were living in & kept up the gardens & to some extent the houses now go there & see the state of it all. In a good council area with people who respected the old & other peoples properties there are real decent people but that type of council area has almost disappeared & if you can't see that then God help this city if you ever became a councillor loosehead

7:01pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Turtlebay says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?
Reintroduce Christian worship and morals in the schools. This is supposedly a Christian country and The Queen is the head of the Church of England.

If the parents don't accept Christianity they should reconsider their desire to live in a Christian country!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?[/p][/quote]Reintroduce Christian worship and morals in the schools. This is supposedly a Christian country and The Queen is the head of the Church of England. If the parents don't accept Christianity they should reconsider their desire to live in a Christian country! Turtlebay

7:34pm Wed 26 Feb 14

MassDebate88 says...

manic75 wrote:
I say cancel the bus service. If these communities cannot control their kids, they don't get a bus service, simples. Secondly, these yobs need to be caught and have the cr@p beaten out of them. Maybe some forced hard labour to pay for the repairs to the busses and the trauma caused to those affected by the attacks too. These imbeciles don't deserve a life... period.
So what about respectful, hard-working people who just happen to live in a "common" area? Some of us rely on these buses to get to work. Stopping the bus service would send out the wrong message to these thugs.
[quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: I say cancel the bus service. If these communities cannot control their kids, they don't get a bus service, simples. Secondly, these yobs need to be caught and have the cr@p beaten out of them. Maybe some forced hard labour to pay for the repairs to the busses and the trauma caused to those affected by the attacks too. These imbeciles don't deserve a life... period.[/p][/quote]So what about respectful, hard-working people who just happen to live in a "common" area? Some of us rely on these buses to get to work. Stopping the bus service would send out the wrong message to these thugs. MassDebate88

9:09pm Wed 26 Feb 14

loosehead says...

MassDebate88 wrote:
manic75 wrote:
I say cancel the bus service. If these communities cannot control their kids, they don't get a bus service, simples. Secondly, these yobs need to be caught and have the cr@p beaten out of them. Maybe some forced hard labour to pay for the repairs to the busses and the trauma caused to those affected by the attacks too. These imbeciles don't deserve a life... period.
So what about respectful, hard-working people who just happen to live in a "common" area? Some of us rely on these buses to get to work. Stopping the bus service would send out the wrong message to these thugs.
when I was a young lad I went to Marine Cadets on the bus trip back home there were a load of middle aged women coming back from Bingo a group of skinheads were attacking a single person the women made the driver stop.
they started shouting & running at the group & those lads ran off could you see that happening now?
It sounds awful & I would never ever have thought I'd be saying this but we had respect for people especially people older than ourselves have they got that respect now?
When I see young lads riding track bikes on the roads & pavements with no helmet & underage & the parents cheering them on exactly what type of parents are they?
[quote][p][bold]MassDebate88[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]manic75[/bold] wrote: I say cancel the bus service. If these communities cannot control their kids, they don't get a bus service, simples. Secondly, these yobs need to be caught and have the cr@p beaten out of them. Maybe some forced hard labour to pay for the repairs to the busses and the trauma caused to those affected by the attacks too. These imbeciles don't deserve a life... period.[/p][/quote]So what about respectful, hard-working people who just happen to live in a "common" area? Some of us rely on these buses to get to work. Stopping the bus service would send out the wrong message to these thugs.[/p][/quote]when I was a young lad I went to Marine Cadets on the bus trip back home there were a load of middle aged women coming back from Bingo a group of skinheads were attacking a single person the women made the driver stop. they started shouting & running at the group & those lads ran off could you see that happening now? It sounds awful & I would never ever have thought I'd be saying this but we had respect for people especially people older than ourselves have they got that respect now? When I see young lads riding track bikes on the roads & pavements with no helmet & underage & the parents cheering them on exactly what type of parents are they? loosehead

9:22pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Graeme Harrison says...

wwozzer wrote:
Roof mounted water cannon, it's the only solution.
Or mutant sea bass with lasers on their heads.
[quote][p][bold]wwozzer[/bold] wrote: Roof mounted water cannon, it's the only solution.[/p][/quote]Or mutant sea bass with lasers on their heads. Graeme Harrison

9:44pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Baybrit says...

It would seem an easy answer but it will never be enacted because of the namby-pamby huggy-wuggies in social services;
flog the kids and lock up the parents.
It would seem an easy answer but it will never be enacted because of the namby-pamby huggy-wuggies in social services; flog the kids and lock up the parents. Baybrit

9:47pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Baybrit says...

Baybrit wrote:
It would seem an easy answer but it will never be enacted because of the namby-pamby huggy-wuggies in social services;
flog the kids and lock up the parents.
Sorry about commenting on myself but I forgot the justification for my suggestion. Unless these useless wastes of space are stopped, eventually, a pensioner, a mother or a child on the targetted bus will be badly injured.
[quote][p][bold]Baybrit[/bold] wrote: It would seem an easy answer but it will never be enacted because of the namby-pamby huggy-wuggies in social services; flog the kids and lock up the parents.[/p][/quote]Sorry about commenting on myself but I forgot the justification for my suggestion. Unless these useless wastes of space are stopped, eventually, a pensioner, a mother or a child on the targetted bus will be badly injured. Baybrit

10:40pm Wed 26 Feb 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So if a bus driver stops & grabs one of them to hand to the police won't he get done for manhandling a minor?
Why do you think under 16's give so much mouth & in some cases attack older people? because if you tried to defend yourself nine times out of ten your in trouble not them.
If I was mouthy to an older person I'd more than likely get a clip around the ear by that person then they'd knock my door & my mum would hit me exactly what happens now in a lot of the cases?
knock the door tell the parent what there teenage child has done & get at the least verbal abuse if not attacked by the parents.
No you can't say it's only Welfare children but you can point the blame or at least 95% of it at council/Housing Association tenants,
maybe round them up take them away for every holiday they have put them into a 60's style boot camp & let's see if they're as big as they think they are!
You have a disgusting Tory bias against a section of the working class. When we finally got a police officer in Swaythling that cared enough to cure the problems we had endured for years only one of the culprits who became inmates came from a council house. ALL the rest were either in private rental with two or three from homes owned by their parents. As an ex Chair of the local Residents Association I know them all so was aware of their backgrounds.
didn't you come from a privileged back ground? I didn't & I hate these middle class twits who tell us how bad we've got it & run down the area's we live in.
you spout on about Swaythling but do you talk for the majority of residents there?
my old mate who's a well known DJ disagrees with you with a hatred & he's definitely from Swaythling. it's that bad some of the area known as the flower gardens have tried ti dis associate themselves with Swaythling by putting down Basset on their mail.
I come from & I'm proud of it from a council home in that area the people were proud of the houses they were living in & kept up the gardens & to some extent the houses now go there & see the state of it all.
In a good council area with people who respected the old & other peoples properties there are real decent people but that type of council area has almost disappeared & if you can't see that then God help this city if you ever became a councillor
I think you are a bit confused about the Flower Estate, some dwellings including my own are in Bassett, not in Swaythling, but I fail to see it makes any difference, can anyone explain why I have to be in a Romsey Constituency? I don't live any where Romsey and my vote stands no chance in a rock solid Tory constituency.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So if a bus driver stops & grabs one of them to hand to the police won't he get done for manhandling a minor? Why do you think under 16's give so much mouth & in some cases attack older people? because if you tried to defend yourself nine times out of ten your in trouble not them. If I was mouthy to an older person I'd more than likely get a clip around the ear by that person then they'd knock my door & my mum would hit me exactly what happens now in a lot of the cases? knock the door tell the parent what there teenage child has done & get at the least verbal abuse if not attacked by the parents. No you can't say it's only Welfare children but you can point the blame or at least 95% of it at council/Housing Association tenants, maybe round them up take them away for every holiday they have put them into a 60's style boot camp & let's see if they're as big as they think they are![/p][/quote]You have a disgusting Tory bias against a section of the working class. When we finally got a police officer in Swaythling that cared enough to cure the problems we had endured for years only one of the culprits who became inmates came from a council house. ALL the rest were either in private rental with two or three from homes owned by their parents. As an ex Chair of the local Residents Association I know them all so was aware of their backgrounds.[/p][/quote]didn't you come from a privileged back ground? I didn't & I hate these middle class twits who tell us how bad we've got it & run down the area's we live in. you spout on about Swaythling but do you talk for the majority of residents there? my old mate who's a well known DJ disagrees with you with a hatred & he's definitely from Swaythling. it's that bad some of the area known as the flower gardens have tried ti dis associate themselves with Swaythling by putting down Basset on their mail. I come from & I'm proud of it from a council home in that area the people were proud of the houses they were living in & kept up the gardens & to some extent the houses now go there & see the state of it all. In a good council area with people who respected the old & other peoples properties there are real decent people but that type of council area has almost disappeared & if you can't see that then God help this city if you ever became a councillor[/p][/quote]I think you are a bit confused about the Flower Estate, some dwellings including my own are in Bassett, not in Swaythling, but I fail to see it makes any difference, can anyone explain why I have to be in a Romsey Constituency? I don't live any where Romsey and my vote stands no chance in a rock solid Tory constituency. OSPREYSAINT

10:49pm Wed 26 Feb 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Turtlebay wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?
Reintroduce Christian worship and morals in the schools. This is supposedly a Christian country and The Queen is the head of the Church of England.

If the parents don't accept Christianity they should reconsider their desire to live in a Christian country!
A tad racist and certainly a bit misguided, there are many Christians in Southampton, but equally they don't all treat Christianity the same way, and religion has nothing to do with hooliganism does it? This Nation has never been 100% Christian, it has many different religions all living together amicably.
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Is there a remotest chance that the schools could take time and effort to teach their pupils the meaning of respect?[/p][/quote]Reintroduce Christian worship and morals in the schools. This is supposedly a Christian country and The Queen is the head of the Church of England. If the parents don't accept Christianity they should reconsider their desire to live in a Christian country![/p][/quote]A tad racist and certainly a bit misguided, there are many Christians in Southampton, but equally they don't all treat Christianity the same way, and religion has nothing to do with hooliganism does it? This Nation has never been 100% Christian, it has many different religions all living together amicably. OSPREYSAINT

7:52am Thu 27 Feb 14

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So if a bus driver stops & grabs one of them to hand to the police won't he get done for manhandling a minor?
Why do you think under 16's give so much mouth & in some cases attack older people? because if you tried to defend yourself nine times out of ten your in trouble not them.
If I was mouthy to an older person I'd more than likely get a clip around the ear by that person then they'd knock my door & my mum would hit me exactly what happens now in a lot of the cases?
knock the door tell the parent what there teenage child has done & get at the least verbal abuse if not attacked by the parents.
No you can't say it's only Welfare children but you can point the blame or at least 95% of it at council/Housing Association tenants,
maybe round them up take them away for every holiday they have put them into a 60's style boot camp & let's see if they're as big as they think they are!
You have a disgusting Tory bias against a section of the working class. When we finally got a police officer in Swaythling that cared enough to cure the problems we had endured for years only one of the culprits who became inmates came from a council house. ALL the rest were either in private rental with two or three from homes owned by their parents. As an ex Chair of the local Residents Association I know them all so was aware of their backgrounds.
didn't you come from a privileged back ground? I didn't & I hate these middle class twits who tell us how bad we've got it & run down the area's we live in.
you spout on about Swaythling but do you talk for the majority of residents there?
my old mate who's a well known DJ disagrees with you with a hatred & he's definitely from Swaythling. it's that bad some of the area known as the flower gardens have tried ti dis associate themselves with Swaythling by putting down Basset on their mail.
I come from & I'm proud of it from a council home in that area the people were proud of the houses they were living in & kept up the gardens & to some extent the houses now go there & see the state of it all.
In a good council area with people who respected the old & other peoples properties there are real decent people but that type of council area has almost disappeared & if you can't see that then God help this city if you ever became a councillor
I think you are a bit confused about the Flower Estate, some dwellings including my own are in Bassett, not in Swaythling, but I fail to see it makes any difference, can anyone explain why I have to be in a Romsey Constituency? I don't live any where Romsey and my vote stands no chance in a rock solid Tory constituency.
osprey I know your a voice of reality so I know you actually know the answer to your own question.
But as for the flower estate when I was young it all came under Swaythling or so I was told a bit like the real Millbrook if you look at a 50',60's & 70's map you'll see there's no such area as Regents Park it's part of the area known as Millbrook then look at the estate it's Millbrook Green Park Estate?
but over time to sell those houses people have changed the area by calling it Regents Park now Tannersbrook but in reality it's still the original Millbrook but the other two get's you a higher price for your house.
I would have thought the most obvious area to come under The Southampton North & Romsey constituency would have been where I live as it's a quick walk to Nursling so borders Romsey constituency anyway & that's Lordshill.
but it all has to do with population size doesn't it?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So if a bus driver stops & grabs one of them to hand to the police won't he get done for manhandling a minor? Why do you think under 16's give so much mouth & in some cases attack older people? because if you tried to defend yourself nine times out of ten your in trouble not them. If I was mouthy to an older person I'd more than likely get a clip around the ear by that person then they'd knock my door & my mum would hit me exactly what happens now in a lot of the cases? knock the door tell the parent what there teenage child has done & get at the least verbal abuse if not attacked by the parents. No you can't say it's only Welfare children but you can point the blame or at least 95% of it at council/Housing Association tenants, maybe round them up take them away for every holiday they have put them into a 60's style boot camp & let's see if they're as big as they think they are![/p][/quote]You have a disgusting Tory bias against a section of the working class. When we finally got a police officer in Swaythling that cared enough to cure the problems we had endured for years only one of the culprits who became inmates came from a council house. ALL the rest were either in private rental with two or three from homes owned by their parents. As an ex Chair of the local Residents Association I know them all so was aware of their backgrounds.[/p][/quote]didn't you come from a privileged back ground? I didn't & I hate these middle class twits who tell us how bad we've got it & run down the area's we live in. you spout on about Swaythling but do you talk for the majority of residents there? my old mate who's a well known DJ disagrees with you with a hatred & he's definitely from Swaythling. it's that bad some of the area known as the flower gardens have tried ti dis associate themselves with Swaythling by putting down Basset on their mail. I come from & I'm proud of it from a council home in that area the people were proud of the houses they were living in & kept up the gardens & to some extent the houses now go there & see the state of it all. In a good council area with people who respected the old & other peoples properties there are real decent people but that type of council area has almost disappeared & if you can't see that then God help this city if you ever became a councillor[/p][/quote]I think you are a bit confused about the Flower Estate, some dwellings including my own are in Bassett, not in Swaythling, but I fail to see it makes any difference, can anyone explain why I have to be in a Romsey Constituency? I don't live any where Romsey and my vote stands no chance in a rock solid Tory constituency.[/p][/quote]osprey I know your a voice of reality so I know you actually know the answer to your own question. But as for the flower estate when I was young it all came under Swaythling or so I was told a bit like the real Millbrook if you look at a 50',60's & 70's map you'll see there's no such area as Regents Park it's part of the area known as Millbrook then look at the estate it's Millbrook Green Park Estate? but over time to sell those houses people have changed the area by calling it Regents Park now Tannersbrook but in reality it's still the original Millbrook but the other two get's you a higher price for your house. I would have thought the most obvious area to come under The Southampton North & Romsey constituency would have been where I live as it's a quick walk to Nursling so borders Romsey constituency anyway & that's Lordshill. but it all has to do with population size doesn't it? loosehead

9:20am Thu 27 Feb 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

When I was a youngster living in the Flower Estate, there were certain rough areas which were best avoided, policemen patrolled the beat in pairs, but a lot of the rough element seemed to have moved away. Many of the houses were purchased by the occupants and this has brought about a big change in attitudes to most areas, for the better. It is not immune to some of the low lifes that still inhabit the area, it is no different from anywhere else really, but they are in a minority, also a fair mix of overseas people have taken up residency and most have intergrated well. The main Swaythling area, at least the bits not taken over by the University does have a poor reputation, the shopping area was destroyed when all of the Banks left the area, people went elsewhere to do their shopping. It is an area ripe for redevelopment, not sure it will happen soon, but it isn't as bad as it's reputation makes it out to be. As for the constituency problem, I put it down to Tory gerrymandering, but I am a bit biased against them so I would say that wouldn't I?
When I was a youngster living in the Flower Estate, there were certain rough areas which were best avoided, policemen patrolled the beat in pairs, but a lot of the rough element seemed to have moved away. Many of the houses were purchased by the occupants and this has brought about a big change in attitudes to most areas, for the better. It is not immune to some of the low lifes that still inhabit the area, it is no different from anywhere else really, but they are in a minority, also a fair mix of overseas people have taken up residency and most have intergrated well. The main Swaythling area, at least the bits not taken over by the University does have a poor reputation, the shopping area was destroyed when all of the Banks left the area, people went elsewhere to do their shopping. It is an area ripe for redevelopment, not sure it will happen soon, but it isn't as bad as it's reputation makes it out to be. As for the constituency problem, I put it down to Tory gerrymandering, but I am a bit biased against them so I would say that wouldn't I? OSPREYSAINT

10:47am Thu 27 Feb 14

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
When I was a youngster living in the Flower Estate, there were certain rough areas which were best avoided, policemen patrolled the beat in pairs, but a lot of the rough element seemed to have moved away. Many of the houses were purchased by the occupants and this has brought about a big change in attitudes to most areas, for the better. It is not immune to some of the low lifes that still inhabit the area, it is no different from anywhere else really, but they are in a minority, also a fair mix of overseas people have taken up residency and most have intergrated well. The main Swaythling area, at least the bits not taken over by the University does have a poor reputation, the shopping area was destroyed when all of the Banks left the area, people went elsewhere to do their shopping. It is an area ripe for redevelopment, not sure it will happen soon, but it isn't as bad as it's reputation makes it out to be. As for the constituency problem, I put it down to Tory gerrymandering, but I am a bit biased against them so I would say that wouldn't I?
at last an honest assessment of that area & not the image that Inform Al seems to picture.
Osprey I did a post round in Bluebell road & a few others I found the houses to be good sized family houses & I found many of the residents to be very friendly
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: When I was a youngster living in the Flower Estate, there were certain rough areas which were best avoided, policemen patrolled the beat in pairs, but a lot of the rough element seemed to have moved away. Many of the houses were purchased by the occupants and this has brought about a big change in attitudes to most areas, for the better. It is not immune to some of the low lifes that still inhabit the area, it is no different from anywhere else really, but they are in a minority, also a fair mix of overseas people have taken up residency and most have intergrated well. The main Swaythling area, at least the bits not taken over by the University does have a poor reputation, the shopping area was destroyed when all of the Banks left the area, people went elsewhere to do their shopping. It is an area ripe for redevelopment, not sure it will happen soon, but it isn't as bad as it's reputation makes it out to be. As for the constituency problem, I put it down to Tory gerrymandering, but I am a bit biased against them so I would say that wouldn't I?[/p][/quote]at last an honest assessment of that area & not the image that Inform Al seems to picture. Osprey I did a post round in Bluebell road & a few others I found the houses to be good sized family houses & I found many of the residents to be very friendly loosehead

1:48pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Inform Al says...

loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
When I was a youngster living in the Flower Estate, there were certain rough areas which were best avoided, policemen patrolled the beat in pairs, but a lot of the rough element seemed to have moved away. Many of the houses were purchased by the occupants and this has brought about a big change in attitudes to most areas, for the better. It is not immune to some of the low lifes that still inhabit the area, it is no different from anywhere else really, but they are in a minority, also a fair mix of overseas people have taken up residency and most have intergrated well. The main Swaythling area, at least the bits not taken over by the University does have a poor reputation, the shopping area was destroyed when all of the Banks left the area, people went elsewhere to do their shopping. It is an area ripe for redevelopment, not sure it will happen soon, but it isn't as bad as it's reputation makes it out to be. As for the constituency problem, I put it down to Tory gerrymandering, but I am a bit biased against them so I would say that wouldn't I?
at last an honest assessment of that area & not the image that Inform Al seems to picture.
Osprey I did a post round in Bluebell road & a few others I found the houses to be good sized family houses & I found many of the residents to be very friendly
I would say it's exactly what I know to be true. Only 40% of the homes on the Flower Roads are council propertry, about 50% are owned by privarte landlords having been sold off by the tenants that bought them. Only about 10% are occupied by the owners. I would love to move back onto the estate which despite the Tory administrations denuding of social structures there is probably the best in Southampton, the Chinese students in particular are brilliant and not a problem as indiginous students are elsewhere in the city. I suggest you try reading my posts properly in future without the blinkers supplied by your shepherd.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: When I was a youngster living in the Flower Estate, there were certain rough areas which were best avoided, policemen patrolled the beat in pairs, but a lot of the rough element seemed to have moved away. Many of the houses were purchased by the occupants and this has brought about a big change in attitudes to most areas, for the better. It is not immune to some of the low lifes that still inhabit the area, it is no different from anywhere else really, but they are in a minority, also a fair mix of overseas people have taken up residency and most have intergrated well. The main Swaythling area, at least the bits not taken over by the University does have a poor reputation, the shopping area was destroyed when all of the Banks left the area, people went elsewhere to do their shopping. It is an area ripe for redevelopment, not sure it will happen soon, but it isn't as bad as it's reputation makes it out to be. As for the constituency problem, I put it down to Tory gerrymandering, but I am a bit biased against them so I would say that wouldn't I?[/p][/quote]at last an honest assessment of that area & not the image that Inform Al seems to picture. Osprey I did a post round in Bluebell road & a few others I found the houses to be good sized family houses & I found many of the residents to be very friendly[/p][/quote]I would say it's exactly what I know to be true. Only 40% of the homes on the Flower Roads are council propertry, about 50% are owned by privarte landlords having been sold off by the tenants that bought them. Only about 10% are occupied by the owners. I would love to move back onto the estate which despite the Tory administrations denuding of social structures there is probably the best in Southampton, the Chinese students in particular are brilliant and not a problem as indiginous students are elsewhere in the city. I suggest you try reading my posts properly in future without the blinkers supplied by your shepherd. Inform Al

1:58pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Inform Al says...

loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So if a bus driver stops & grabs one of them to hand to the police won't he get done for manhandling a minor?
Why do you think under 16's give so much mouth & in some cases attack older people? because if you tried to defend yourself nine times out of ten your in trouble not them.
If I was mouthy to an older person I'd more than likely get a clip around the ear by that person then they'd knock my door & my mum would hit me exactly what happens now in a lot of the cases?
knock the door tell the parent what there teenage child has done & get at the least verbal abuse if not attacked by the parents.
No you can't say it's only Welfare children but you can point the blame or at least 95% of it at council/Housing Association tenants,
maybe round them up take them away for every holiday they have put them into a 60's style boot camp & let's see if they're as big as they think they are!
You have a disgusting Tory bias against a section of the working class. When we finally got a police officer in Swaythling that cared enough to cure the problems we had endured for years only one of the culprits who became inmates came from a council house. ALL the rest were either in private rental with two or three from homes owned by their parents. As an ex Chair of the local Residents Association I know them all so was aware of their backgrounds.
didn't you come from a privileged back ground? I didn't & I hate these middle class twits who tell us how bad we've got it & run down the area's we live in.
you spout on about Swaythling but do you talk for the majority of residents there?
my old mate who's a well known DJ disagrees with you with a hatred & he's definitely from Swaythling. it's that bad some of the area known as the flower gardens have tried ti dis associate themselves with Swaythling by putting down Basset on their mail.
I come from & I'm proud of it from a council home in that area the people were proud of the houses they were living in & kept up the gardens & to some extent the houses now go there & see the state of it all.
In a good council area with people who respected the old & other peoples properties there are real decent people but that type of council area has almost disappeared & if you can't see that then God help this city if you ever became a councillor
If you call an area of Paddington pulled down as a slum area in 1960 as privileged, then I suppose in your eyes I'm privileged. My only privilege was being able to sit the 11+ and gain a high enough pass to go to a school run by the Worshipfull Company of Brewers thanks to the Atlee governments education act. To get to a grammar school, or equivalent, now in most parts of the UK you have to be the child of C''morons rich friends. But of course according to your shepherd we are all in it together. Reality is that it is only the working class that are in the sh1t.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So if a bus driver stops & grabs one of them to hand to the police won't he get done for manhandling a minor? Why do you think under 16's give so much mouth & in some cases attack older people? because if you tried to defend yourself nine times out of ten your in trouble not them. If I was mouthy to an older person I'd more than likely get a clip around the ear by that person then they'd knock my door & my mum would hit me exactly what happens now in a lot of the cases? knock the door tell the parent what there teenage child has done & get at the least verbal abuse if not attacked by the parents. No you can't say it's only Welfare children but you can point the blame or at least 95% of it at council/Housing Association tenants, maybe round them up take them away for every holiday they have put them into a 60's style boot camp & let's see if they're as big as they think they are![/p][/quote]You have a disgusting Tory bias against a section of the working class. When we finally got a police officer in Swaythling that cared enough to cure the problems we had endured for years only one of the culprits who became inmates came from a council house. ALL the rest were either in private rental with two or three from homes owned by their parents. As an ex Chair of the local Residents Association I know them all so was aware of their backgrounds.[/p][/quote]didn't you come from a privileged back ground? I didn't & I hate these middle class twits who tell us how bad we've got it & run down the area's we live in. you spout on about Swaythling but do you talk for the majority of residents there? my old mate who's a well known DJ disagrees with you with a hatred & he's definitely from Swaythling. it's that bad some of the area known as the flower gardens have tried ti dis associate themselves with Swaythling by putting down Basset on their mail. I come from & I'm proud of it from a council home in that area the people were proud of the houses they were living in & kept up the gardens & to some extent the houses now go there & see the state of it all. In a good council area with people who respected the old & other peoples properties there are real decent people but that type of council area has almost disappeared & if you can't see that then God help this city if you ever became a councillor[/p][/quote]If you call an area of Paddington pulled down as a slum area in 1960 as privileged, then I suppose in your eyes I'm privileged. My only privilege was being able to sit the 11+ and gain a high enough pass to go to a school run by the Worshipfull Company of Brewers thanks to the Atlee governments education act. To get to a grammar school, or equivalent, now in most parts of the UK you have to be the child of C''morons rich friends. But of course according to your shepherd we are all in it together. Reality is that it is only the working class that are in the sh1t. Inform Al

6:43pm Thu 27 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
So if a bus driver stops & grabs one of them to hand to the police won't he get done for manhandling a minor?
Why do you think under 16's give so much mouth & in some cases attack older people? because if you tried to defend yourself nine times out of ten your in trouble not them.
If I was mouthy to an older person I'd more than likely get a clip around the ear by that person then they'd knock my door & my mum would hit me exactly what happens now in a lot of the cases?
knock the door tell the parent what there teenage child has done & get at the least verbal abuse if not attacked by the parents.
No you can't say it's only Welfare children but you can point the blame or at least 95% of it at council/Housing Association tenants,
maybe round them up take them away for every holiday they have put them into a 60's style boot camp & let's see if they're as big as they think they are!
You have a disgusting Tory bias against a section of the working class. When we finally got a police officer in Swaythling that cared enough to cure the problems we had endured for years only one of the culprits who became inmates came from a council house. ALL the rest were either in private rental with two or three from homes owned by their parents. As an ex Chair of the local Residents Association I know them all so was aware of their backgrounds.
didn't you come from a privileged back ground? I didn't & I hate these middle class twits who tell us how bad we've got it & run down the area's we live in.
you spout on about Swaythling but do you talk for the majority of residents there?
my old mate who's a well known DJ disagrees with you with a hatred & he's definitely from Swaythling. it's that bad some of the area known as the flower gardens have tried ti dis associate themselves with Swaythling by putting down Basset on their mail.
I come from & I'm proud of it from a council home in that area the people were proud of the houses they were living in & kept up the gardens & to some extent the houses now go there & see the state of it all.
In a good council area with people who respected the old & other peoples properties there are real decent people but that type of council area has almost disappeared & if you can't see that then God help this city if you ever became a councillor
If you call an area of Paddington pulled down as a slum area in 1960 as privileged, then I suppose in your eyes I'm privileged. My only privilege was being able to sit the 11+ and gain a high enough pass to go to a school run by the Worshipfull Company of Brewers thanks to the Atlee governments education act. To get to a grammar school, or equivalent, now in most parts of the UK you have to be the child of C''morons rich friends. But of course according to your shepherd we are all in it together. Reality is that it is only the working class that are in the sh1t.
funny that my older brother passed the 11+ so who actually scrapped that test that helped kids from poor back grounds to go to Grammar schoolsactually who started to scrap those schools was it Labour? was it the comprehensive dream?
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So if a bus driver stops & grabs one of them to hand to the police won't he get done for manhandling a minor? Why do you think under 16's give so much mouth & in some cases attack older people? because if you tried to defend yourself nine times out of ten your in trouble not them. If I was mouthy to an older person I'd more than likely get a clip around the ear by that person then they'd knock my door & my mum would hit me exactly what happens now in a lot of the cases? knock the door tell the parent what there teenage child has done & get at the least verbal abuse if not attacked by the parents. No you can't say it's only Welfare children but you can point the blame or at least 95% of it at council/Housing Association tenants, maybe round them up take them away for every holiday they have put them into a 60's style boot camp & let's see if they're as big as they think they are![/p][/quote]You have a disgusting Tory bias against a section of the working class. When we finally got a police officer in Swaythling that cared enough to cure the problems we had endured for years only one of the culprits who became inmates came from a council house. ALL the rest were either in private rental with two or three from homes owned by their parents. As an ex Chair of the local Residents Association I know them all so was aware of their backgrounds.[/p][/quote]didn't you come from a privileged back ground? I didn't & I hate these middle class twits who tell us how bad we've got it & run down the area's we live in. you spout on about Swaythling but do you talk for the majority of residents there? my old mate who's a well known DJ disagrees with you with a hatred & he's definitely from Swaythling. it's that bad some of the area known as the flower gardens have tried ti dis associate themselves with Swaythling by putting down Basset on their mail. I come from & I'm proud of it from a council home in that area the people were proud of the houses they were living in & kept up the gardens & to some extent the houses now go there & see the state of it all. In a good council area with people who respected the old & other peoples properties there are real decent people but that type of council area has almost disappeared & if you can't see that then God help this city if you ever became a councillor[/p][/quote]If you call an area of Paddington pulled down as a slum area in 1960 as privileged, then I suppose in your eyes I'm privileged. My only privilege was being able to sit the 11+ and gain a high enough pass to go to a school run by the Worshipfull Company of Brewers thanks to the Atlee governments education act. To get to a grammar school, or equivalent, now in most parts of the UK you have to be the child of C''morons rich friends. But of course according to your shepherd we are all in it together. Reality is that it is only the working class that are in the sh1t.[/p][/quote]funny that my older brother passed the 11+ so who actually scrapped that test that helped kids from poor back grounds to go to Grammar schoolsactually who started to scrap those schools was it Labour? was it the comprehensive dream? loosehead

6:45pm Thu 27 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
When I was a youngster living in the Flower Estate, there were certain rough areas which were best avoided, policemen patrolled the beat in pairs, but a lot of the rough element seemed to have moved away. Many of the houses were purchased by the occupants and this has brought about a big change in attitudes to most areas, for the better. It is not immune to some of the low lifes that still inhabit the area, it is no different from anywhere else really, but they are in a minority, also a fair mix of overseas people have taken up residency and most have intergrated well. The main Swaythling area, at least the bits not taken over by the University does have a poor reputation, the shopping area was destroyed when all of the Banks left the area, people went elsewhere to do their shopping. It is an area ripe for redevelopment, not sure it will happen soon, but it isn't as bad as it's reputation makes it out to be. As for the constituency problem, I put it down to Tory gerrymandering, but I am a bit biased against them so I would say that wouldn't I?
at last an honest assessment of that area & not the image that Inform Al seems to picture.
Osprey I did a post round in Bluebell road & a few others I found the houses to be good sized family houses & I found many of the residents to be very friendly
I would say it's exactly what I know to be true. Only 40% of the homes on the Flower Roads are council propertry, about 50% are owned by privarte landlords having been sold off by the tenants that bought them. Only about 10% are occupied by the owners. I would love to move back onto the estate which despite the Tory administrations denuding of social structures there is probably the best in Southampton, the Chinese students in particular are brilliant and not a problem as indiginous students are elsewhere in the city. I suggest you try reading my posts properly in future without the blinkers supplied by your shepherd.
I'm moving to a city where people say they're worse than Gypsies but I don't agree with them especially as my father was a scouser
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: When I was a youngster living in the Flower Estate, there were certain rough areas which were best avoided, policemen patrolled the beat in pairs, but a lot of the rough element seemed to have moved away. Many of the houses were purchased by the occupants and this has brought about a big change in attitudes to most areas, for the better. It is not immune to some of the low lifes that still inhabit the area, it is no different from anywhere else really, but they are in a minority, also a fair mix of overseas people have taken up residency and most have intergrated well. The main Swaythling area, at least the bits not taken over by the University does have a poor reputation, the shopping area was destroyed when all of the Banks left the area, people went elsewhere to do their shopping. It is an area ripe for redevelopment, not sure it will happen soon, but it isn't as bad as it's reputation makes it out to be. As for the constituency problem, I put it down to Tory gerrymandering, but I am a bit biased against them so I would say that wouldn't I?[/p][/quote]at last an honest assessment of that area & not the image that Inform Al seems to picture. Osprey I did a post round in Bluebell road & a few others I found the houses to be good sized family houses & I found many of the residents to be very friendly[/p][/quote]I would say it's exactly what I know to be true. Only 40% of the homes on the Flower Roads are council propertry, about 50% are owned by privarte landlords having been sold off by the tenants that bought them. Only about 10% are occupied by the owners. I would love to move back onto the estate which despite the Tory administrations denuding of social structures there is probably the best in Southampton, the Chinese students in particular are brilliant and not a problem as indiginous students are elsewhere in the city. I suggest you try reading my posts properly in future without the blinkers supplied by your shepherd.[/p][/quote]I'm moving to a city where people say they're worse than Gypsies but I don't agree with them especially as my father was a scouser loosehead

7:15pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Inform Al says...

loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
When I was a youngster living in the Flower Estate, there were certain rough areas which were best avoided, policemen patrolled the beat in pairs, but a lot of the rough element seemed to have moved away. Many of the houses were purchased by the occupants and this has brought about a big change in attitudes to most areas, for the better. It is not immune to some of the low lifes that still inhabit the area, it is no different from anywhere else really, but they are in a minority, also a fair mix of overseas people have taken up residency and most have intergrated well. The main Swaythling area, at least the bits not taken over by the University does have a poor reputation, the shopping area was destroyed when all of the Banks left the area, people went elsewhere to do their shopping. It is an area ripe for redevelopment, not sure it will happen soon, but it isn't as bad as it's reputation makes it out to be. As for the constituency problem, I put it down to Tory gerrymandering, but I am a bit biased against them so I would say that wouldn't I?
at last an honest assessment of that area & not the image that Inform Al seems to picture.
Osprey I did a post round in Bluebell road & a few others I found the houses to be good sized family houses & I found many of the residents to be very friendly
I would say it's exactly what I know to be true. Only 40% of the homes on the Flower Roads are council propertry, about 50% are owned by privarte landlords having been sold off by the tenants that bought them. Only about 10% are occupied by the owners. I would love to move back onto the estate which despite the Tory administrations denuding of social structures there is probably the best in Southampton, the Chinese students in particular are brilliant and not a problem as indiginous students are elsewhere in the city. I suggest you try reading my posts properly in future without the blinkers supplied by your shepherd.
I'm moving to a city where people say they're worse than Gypsies but I don't agree with them especially as my father was a scouser
There's nothing wrong with Romany Gypsies, it's the other lot, tinkers, that are even worse than Scousers. lol
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: When I was a youngster living in the Flower Estate, there were certain rough areas which were best avoided, policemen patrolled the beat in pairs, but a lot of the rough element seemed to have moved away. Many of the houses were purchased by the occupants and this has brought about a big change in attitudes to most areas, for the better. It is not immune to some of the low lifes that still inhabit the area, it is no different from anywhere else really, but they are in a minority, also a fair mix of overseas people have taken up residency and most have intergrated well. The main Swaythling area, at least the bits not taken over by the University does have a poor reputation, the shopping area was destroyed when all of the Banks left the area, people went elsewhere to do their shopping. It is an area ripe for redevelopment, not sure it will happen soon, but it isn't as bad as it's reputation makes it out to be. As for the constituency problem, I put it down to Tory gerrymandering, but I am a bit biased against them so I would say that wouldn't I?[/p][/quote]at last an honest assessment of that area & not the image that Inform Al seems to picture. Osprey I did a post round in Bluebell road & a few others I found the houses to be good sized family houses & I found many of the residents to be very friendly[/p][/quote]I would say it's exactly what I know to be true. Only 40% of the homes on the Flower Roads are council propertry, about 50% are owned by privarte landlords having been sold off by the tenants that bought them. Only about 10% are occupied by the owners. I would love to move back onto the estate which despite the Tory administrations denuding of social structures there is probably the best in Southampton, the Chinese students in particular are brilliant and not a problem as indiginous students are elsewhere in the city. I suggest you try reading my posts properly in future without the blinkers supplied by your shepherd.[/p][/quote]I'm moving to a city where people say they're worse than Gypsies but I don't agree with them especially as my father was a scouser[/p][/quote]There's nothing wrong with Romany Gypsies, it's the other lot, tinkers, that are even worse than Scousers. lol Inform Al

3:02am Fri 28 Feb 14

patandpam says...

Isn't it about time the Southampton News on this website was bought up to date. Most of the news stories on this web site are 5/6 days old. I want to read TODAYS NEWS . TODAY
Isn't it about time the Southampton News on this website was bought up to date. Most of the news stories on this web site are 5/6 days old. I want to read TODAYS NEWS . TODAY patandpam

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