Owners apply to send in bulldozers at Fawley Power Station

Bulldozers poised for industrial landmark

Bulldozers poised for industrial landmark

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Reporter, New Forest

IT has towered over the entrance to Southampton Water for more than 40 years.

But Fawley Power Station, one of Hampshire’s biggest industrial buildings, could be reduced to a huge pile of rubble in the next few years.

RWE n-power, which owns the 175-acre complex, has applied for consent to send in the bulldozers.

The application leaves a huge question mark hanging over the future of the site, a prime waterfront area bordered by the New Forest National Park.

Hythe councillor Brian Dash, who worked there for many years, is calling for the creation of a gas turbine plant.

He said: “The power station provided a significant amount of employment and I’d like to see it replaced by something that delivers jobs for local people.”

Built in 1971 the oil-fired facility shut in April last year with the loss of almost 40 jobs.

Despite being state-of-the-art when it opened, the facility fell foul of new EU rules aimed at cutting emissions across Europe. The closure was also hastened by the Government’s policy of replacing older, less efficient sites with lower carbon replacements.

RWE n-power has asked New Forest District Council for permission to flatten the whole site.

But Cllr Bob Wappet, chairman of Fawley Parish Council, said the control room should be preserved because of its historic and architectural interest.

He added: “I’d like to see the site revert to industrial and employment land. There’s room for any type of manufacturing – and the control room would make a wonderful office complex.”

The demolition of the power station is unlikely to start until the end of next year at the earliest and could take three years.

Asked about the future of the site an RWE n-power spokesman said: “It could be another power asset but we’re still discussing what that could be.

“There are still a few outstanding issues to be resolved and we are some years away from demolition.”

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8:36am Fri 28 Feb 14

AFrustratedCyclist says...

Gas! So a new fossil fuelled power station, really?

What about trying to attract a biomass plant or something, yes I know they're not perfect, yes I know they're not 100% carbon natural, but they're a **** site closer and more sustainable than gas or oil or coal.

A step in the right direction at least, if not a final solution for the longer term future
Gas! So a new fossil fuelled power station, really? What about trying to attract a biomass plant or something, yes I know they're not perfect, yes I know they're not 100% carbon natural, but they're a **** site closer and more sustainable than gas or oil or coal. A step in the right direction at least, if not a final solution for the longer term future AFrustratedCyclist
  • Score: -1

9:24am Fri 28 Feb 14

forest hump says...

Why are we always subjected to unprofessional guessers? Let the professionals with a track record put forward some proposals to use the site and develop it for gainful employment.
Why are we always subjected to unprofessional guessers? Let the professionals with a track record put forward some proposals to use the site and develop it for gainful employment. forest hump
  • Score: 1

9:24am Fri 28 Feb 14

forest hump says...

AFrustratedCyclist wrote:
Gas! So a new fossil fuelled power station, really?

What about trying to attract a biomass plant or something, yes I know they're not perfect, yes I know they're not 100% carbon natural, but they're a **** site closer and more sustainable than gas or oil or coal.

A step in the right direction at least, if not a final solution for the longer term future
So how do you heat and light your cave?
[quote][p][bold]AFrustratedCyclist[/bold] wrote: Gas! So a new fossil fuelled power station, really? What about trying to attract a biomass plant or something, yes I know they're not perfect, yes I know they're not 100% carbon natural, but they're a **** site closer and more sustainable than gas or oil or coal. A step in the right direction at least, if not a final solution for the longer term future[/p][/quote]So how do you heat and light your cave? forest hump
  • Score: 4

9:38am Fri 28 Feb 14

AFrustratedCyclist says...

forest hump wrote:
AFrustratedCyclist wrote:
Gas! So a new fossil fuelled power station, really?

What about trying to attract a biomass plant or something, yes I know they're not perfect, yes I know they're not 100% carbon natural, but they're a **** site closer and more sustainable than gas or oil or coal.

A step in the right direction at least, if not a final solution for the longer term future
So how do you heat and light your cave?
energy efficient LED lighting and solar panels, and you?
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AFrustratedCyclist[/bold] wrote: Gas! So a new fossil fuelled power station, really? What about trying to attract a biomass plant or something, yes I know they're not perfect, yes I know they're not 100% carbon natural, but they're a **** site closer and more sustainable than gas or oil or coal. A step in the right direction at least, if not a final solution for the longer term future[/p][/quote]So how do you heat and light your cave?[/p][/quote]energy efficient LED lighting and solar panels, and you? AFrustratedCyclist
  • Score: -1

10:10am Fri 28 Feb 14

Stan1st says...

nuclear energy or desalination plant
nuclear energy or desalination plant Stan1st
  • Score: 7

11:18am Fri 28 Feb 14

derek james says...

forest hump wrote:
Why are we always subjected to unprofessional guessers? Let the professionals with a track record put forward some proposals to use the site and develop it for gainful employment.
results show those so-called professionals are not always so, like the met office weather forecast for the winter-lower than average rainfall!
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Why are we always subjected to unprofessional guessers? Let the professionals with a track record put forward some proposals to use the site and develop it for gainful employment.[/p][/quote]results show those so-called professionals are not always so, like the met office weather forecast for the winter-lower than average rainfall! derek james
  • Score: 3

11:22am Fri 28 Feb 14

Torchie1 says...

AFrustratedCyclist wrote:
Gas! So a new fossil fuelled power station, really?

What about trying to attract a biomass plant or something, yes I know they're not perfect, yes I know they're not 100% carbon natural, but they're a **** site closer and more sustainable than gas or oil or coal.

A step in the right direction at least, if not a final solution for the longer term future
Do you think the local population would be any more welcoming than those in Millbrook where the infrastructure already exists for a Bio-Mass installation?
[quote][p][bold]AFrustratedCyclist[/bold] wrote: Gas! So a new fossil fuelled power station, really? What about trying to attract a biomass plant or something, yes I know they're not perfect, yes I know they're not 100% carbon natural, but they're a **** site closer and more sustainable than gas or oil or coal. A step in the right direction at least, if not a final solution for the longer term future[/p][/quote]Do you think the local population would be any more welcoming than those in Millbrook where the infrastructure already exists for a Bio-Mass installation? Torchie1
  • Score: 0

11:31am Fri 28 Feb 14

Andy Locks Heath says...

AFrustratedCyclist wrote:
forest hump wrote:
AFrustratedCyclist wrote:
Gas! So a new fossil fuelled power station, really?

What about trying to attract a biomass plant or something, yes I know they're not perfect, yes I know they're not 100% carbon natural, but they're a **** site closer and more sustainable than gas or oil or coal.

A step in the right direction at least, if not a final solution for the longer term future
So how do you heat and light your cave?
energy efficient LED lighting and solar panels, and you?
And you use them at night do you?
[quote][p][bold]AFrustratedCyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AFrustratedCyclist[/bold] wrote: Gas! So a new fossil fuelled power station, really? What about trying to attract a biomass plant or something, yes I know they're not perfect, yes I know they're not 100% carbon natural, but they're a **** site closer and more sustainable than gas or oil or coal. A step in the right direction at least, if not a final solution for the longer term future[/p][/quote]So how do you heat and light your cave?[/p][/quote]energy efficient LED lighting and solar panels, and you?[/p][/quote]And you use them at night do you? Andy Locks Heath
  • Score: 1

11:38am Fri 28 Feb 14

Niel says...

I wonder how many bulldozers will be lost during the demolition, as many as sank during the building?

But Cllr Bob Wappet, chairman of Fawley Parish Council, said the control room should be preserved because of its historic and architectural interest.

He added: “I’d like to see the site revert to industrial and employment land. There’s room for any type of manufacturing – and the control room would make a wonderful office complex.”

The biggest problem is the site is unstable, the main station building was built on what is effectively a huge raft. The rest of the site varies in height and what were once flat roads have large deviations now...
I wonder how many bulldozers will be lost during the demolition, as many as sank during the building? But Cllr Bob Wappet, chairman of Fawley Parish Council, said the control room should be preserved because of its historic and architectural interest. He added: “I’d like to see the site revert to industrial and employment land. There’s room for any type of manufacturing – and the control room would make a wonderful office complex.” The biggest problem is the site is unstable, the main station building was built on what is effectively a huge raft. The rest of the site varies in height and what were once flat roads have large deviations now... Niel
  • Score: 3

12:00pm Fri 28 Feb 14

From the sidelines says...

Ideal place for a nuclear power station.

Or perhaps you'd prefer that the lights go out.
Ideal place for a nuclear power station. Or perhaps you'd prefer that the lights go out. From the sidelines
  • Score: 2

12:26pm Fri 28 Feb 14

charrlee says...

There needs to be something that will provide employment and attract residents.
And it might create a future for the ailing Hardley School. Many people have warm, fond memories of it under the "old guard", led by ivor Astley, and the new, exciting direction in which Bob Underwood took it with "grant maintained status".
Fawley power station. The Fawley flame. What a smell. But it was stink that united a whole community.
There needs to be something that will provide employment and attract residents. And it might create a future for the ailing Hardley School. Many people have warm, fond memories of it under the "old guard", led by ivor Astley, and the new, exciting direction in which Bob Underwood took it with "grant maintained status". Fawley power station. The Fawley flame. What a smell. But it was stink that united a whole community. charrlee
  • Score: 0

1:14pm Fri 28 Feb 14

espanuel says...

It would be nice to keep the old control room as it gives a good view of the Solent. I worked in there when the station was being built and the 400Kv and 32Kv buildings. Just one thing I never saw any bulldozers go underground or sink. Bl**dy cold in the winter.
It would be nice to keep the old control room as it gives a good view of the Solent. I worked in there when the station was being built and the 400Kv and 32Kv buildings. Just one thing I never saw any bulldozers go underground or sink. Bl**dy cold in the winter. espanuel
  • Score: 0

3:34pm Fri 28 Feb 14

daisy.talks says...

Is anybody going to be taking any photos of the demolition? would be an interesting 'historical event' to see
Is anybody going to be taking any photos of the demolition? would be an interesting 'historical event' to see daisy.talks
  • Score: 0

4:23pm Fri 28 Feb 14

southy says...

espanuel wrote:
It would be nice to keep the old control room as it gives a good view of the Solent. I worked in there when the station was being built and the 400Kv and 32Kv buildings. Just one thing I never saw any bulldozers go underground or sink. Bl**dy cold in the winter.
No you had to be there when they was building the plant not after it was running, a fair amount of heavy plant did disappear, there at lest 2 dumper trucks in the ground where it would of cost more to recover them than they was worth so they was push deeper into the soft mud
[quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: It would be nice to keep the old control room as it gives a good view of the Solent. I worked in there when the station was being built and the 400Kv and 32Kv buildings. Just one thing I never saw any bulldozers go underground or sink. Bl**dy cold in the winter.[/p][/quote]No you had to be there when they was building the plant not after it was running, a fair amount of heavy plant did disappear, there at lest 2 dumper trucks in the ground where it would of cost more to recover them than they was worth so they was push deeper into the soft mud southy
  • Score: -1

4:26pm Fri 28 Feb 14

phil maccavity says...

Wasn't the main building used for a scene within a Hollywood 'Blockbuster' film back in the 1990's?
Heard also that Disney might be interested in using the same building this year (prior to demolition) for a space movie
I guess demolition of the chimney will be quite a sight and Soton Water will lose a landmark
Wasn't the main building used for a scene within a Hollywood 'Blockbuster' film back in the 1990's? Heard also that Disney might be interested in using the same building this year (prior to demolition) for a space movie I guess demolition of the chimney will be quite a sight and Soton Water will lose a landmark phil maccavity
  • Score: 0

4:26pm Fri 28 Feb 14

southy says...

If they are thinking about a another power station there why not use the one thats there now, just gut it totally out and redesign
If they are thinking about a another power station there why not use the one thats there now, just gut it totally out and redesign southy
  • Score: 0

7:44pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
espanuel wrote:
It would be nice to keep the old control room as it gives a good view of the Solent. I worked in there when the station was being built and the 400Kv and 32Kv buildings. Just one thing I never saw any bulldozers go underground or sink. Bl**dy cold in the winter.
No you had to be there when they was building the plant not after it was running, a fair amount of heavy plant did disappear, there at lest 2 dumper trucks in the ground where it would of cost more to recover them than they was worth so they was push deeper into the soft mud
Do you ever read before jumping in with both feet or did Margaret Thatcher alter the previous post to include the phrase ' I worked in there when the station was being built' after you'd tried to air another of your areas of (self-proclaimed) expertise?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: It would be nice to keep the old control room as it gives a good view of the Solent. I worked in there when the station was being built and the 400Kv and 32Kv buildings. Just one thing I never saw any bulldozers go underground or sink. Bl**dy cold in the winter.[/p][/quote]No you had to be there when they was building the plant not after it was running, a fair amount of heavy plant did disappear, there at lest 2 dumper trucks in the ground where it would of cost more to recover them than they was worth so they was push deeper into the soft mud[/p][/quote]Do you ever read before jumping in with both feet or did Margaret Thatcher alter the previous post to include the phrase ' I worked in there when the station was being built' after you'd tried to air another of your areas of (self-proclaimed) expertise? Torchie1
  • Score: 2

9:26pm Fri 28 Feb 14

forest hump says...

AFrustratedCyclist wrote:
forest hump wrote:
AFrustratedCyclist wrote:
Gas! So a new fossil fuelled power station, really?

What about trying to attract a biomass plant or something, yes I know they're not perfect, yes I know they're not 100% carbon natural, but they're a **** site closer and more sustainable than gas or oil or coal.

A step in the right direction at least, if not a final solution for the longer term future
So how do you heat and light your cave?
energy efficient LED lighting and solar panels, and you?
I use the good old incandescent light bulb when I can get them. Do not want to have all the other options rammed down my throat. I also would want a return on solar panels before I die. When they become more efficient and do not compromise the look of my property I might consider it. Until then I shall be supporting the hydraulic fracturing process to identify copies amounts of natural gas to efficiently generate EMF. You anti fossil fuel merchants ought to think yourselves lucky that crude oil (natural and organic to please the sandal brigade) was discovered. You would not enjoy the comforts of today without it.
[quote][p][bold]AFrustratedCyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AFrustratedCyclist[/bold] wrote: Gas! So a new fossil fuelled power station, really? What about trying to attract a biomass plant or something, yes I know they're not perfect, yes I know they're not 100% carbon natural, but they're a **** site closer and more sustainable than gas or oil or coal. A step in the right direction at least, if not a final solution for the longer term future[/p][/quote]So how do you heat and light your cave?[/p][/quote]energy efficient LED lighting and solar panels, and you?[/p][/quote]I use the good old incandescent light bulb when I can get them. Do not want to have all the other options rammed down my throat. I also would want a return on solar panels before I die. When they become more efficient and do not compromise the look of my property I might consider it. Until then I shall be supporting the hydraulic fracturing process to identify copies amounts of natural gas to efficiently generate EMF. You anti fossil fuel merchants ought to think yourselves lucky that crude oil (natural and organic to please the sandal brigade) was discovered. You would not enjoy the comforts of today without it. forest hump
  • Score: -2

9:28pm Fri 28 Feb 14

forest hump says...

derek james wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Why are we always subjected to unprofessional guessers? Let the professionals with a track record put forward some proposals to use the site and develop it for gainful employment.
results show those so-called professionals are not always so, like the met office weather forecast for the winter-lower than average rainfall!
Met office have a political agenda and are not impartial. The point I am making is with all due respect, local council representatives are not qualified to make the right decision
[quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Why are we always subjected to unprofessional guessers? Let the professionals with a track record put forward some proposals to use the site and develop it for gainful employment.[/p][/quote]results show those so-called professionals are not always so, like the met office weather forecast for the winter-lower than average rainfall![/p][/quote]Met office have a political agenda and are not impartial. The point I am making is with all due respect, local council representatives are not qualified to make the right decision forest hump
  • Score: -1

9:35pm Fri 28 Feb 14

forest hump says...

charrlee wrote:
There needs to be something that will provide employment and attract residents.
And it might create a future for the ailing Hardley School. Many people have warm, fond memories of it under the "old guard", led by ivor Astley, and the new, exciting direction in which Bob Underwood took it with "grant maintained status".
Fawley power station. The Fawley flame. What a smell. But it was stink that united a whole community.
Remember Ivor well also his predecessor Young. His wingman was Budge and his famous "twist". As with many things today, a simple name change perceives improvement. You are absolutely right with the "whole community" comment
[quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: There needs to be something that will provide employment and attract residents. And it might create a future for the ailing Hardley School. Many people have warm, fond memories of it under the "old guard", led by ivor Astley, and the new, exciting direction in which Bob Underwood took it with "grant maintained status". Fawley power station. The Fawley flame. What a smell. But it was stink that united a whole community.[/p][/quote]Remember Ivor well also his predecessor Young. His wingman was Budge and his famous "twist". As with many things today, a simple name change perceives improvement. You are absolutely right with the "whole community" comment forest hump
  • Score: -1

12:09am Sat 1 Mar 14

charrlee says...

forest hump wrote:
charrlee wrote:
There needs to be something that will provide employment and attract residents.
And it might create a future for the ailing Hardley School. Many people have warm, fond memories of it under the "old guard", led by ivor Astley, and the new, exciting direction in which Bob Underwood took it with "grant maintained status".
Fawley power station. The Fawley flame. What a smell. But it was stink that united a whole community.
Remember Ivor well also his predecessor Young. His wingman was Budge and his famous "twist". As with many things today, a simple name change perceives improvement. You are absolutely right with the "whole community" comment
A look of reverence and deep respect, blending with a sense of "a la recherche du temps perdu" appear of the faces of Hardley School alumni as they recite the list of their heroes : Roy Rosen, Freda Dunn, John Williams, Roy Harris, Hugh Langford, Gerry Bartlett along with the associated tales and anecdotes of outrageous, but hilarious and fondly-remembered escapades of both pupils and staff !

The schools, the cinema, the pubs, Gangwarily, the small shops in Holbury, Blackfield, and Fawley, and the refinery itself gave that community a completeness you rarely find elsewhere.

They definitely need a big, solid employment opportunity down there, otherwise people will move out and it will become a wasteland.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: There needs to be something that will provide employment and attract residents. And it might create a future for the ailing Hardley School. Many people have warm, fond memories of it under the "old guard", led by ivor Astley, and the new, exciting direction in which Bob Underwood took it with "grant maintained status". Fawley power station. The Fawley flame. What a smell. But it was stink that united a whole community.[/p][/quote]Remember Ivor well also his predecessor Young. His wingman was Budge and his famous "twist". As with many things today, a simple name change perceives improvement. You are absolutely right with the "whole community" comment[/p][/quote]A look of reverence and deep respect, blending with a sense of "a la recherche du temps perdu" appear of the faces of Hardley School alumni as they recite the list of their heroes : Roy Rosen, Freda Dunn, John Williams, Roy Harris, Hugh Langford, Gerry Bartlett along with the associated tales and anecdotes of outrageous, but hilarious and fondly-remembered escapades of both pupils and staff ! The schools, the cinema, the pubs, Gangwarily, the small shops in Holbury, Blackfield, and Fawley, and the refinery itself gave that community a completeness you rarely find elsewhere. They definitely need a big, solid employment opportunity down there, otherwise people will move out and it will become a wasteland. charrlee
  • Score: 0

12:52am Sat 1 Mar 14

BeyondImagination says...

forest hump wrote:
Why are we always subjected to unprofessional guessers? Let the professionals with a track record put forward some proposals to use the site and develop it for gainful employment.
There's a C missing from your name you Chump
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Why are we always subjected to unprofessional guessers? Let the professionals with a track record put forward some proposals to use the site and develop it for gainful employment.[/p][/quote]There's a C missing from your name you Chump BeyondImagination
  • Score: 1

1:07am Sat 1 Mar 14

BeyondImagination says...

forest hump wrote:
AFrustratedCyclist wrote:
forest hump wrote:
AFrustratedCyclist wrote:
Gas! So a new fossil fuelled power station, really?

What about trying to attract a biomass plant or something, yes I know they're not perfect, yes I know they're not 100% carbon natural, but they're a **** site closer and more sustainable than gas or oil or coal.

A step in the right direction at least, if not a final solution for the longer term future
So how do you heat and light your cave?
energy efficient LED lighting and solar panels, and you?
I use the good old incandescent light bulb when I can get them. Do not want to have all the other options rammed down my throat. I also would want a return on solar panels before I die. When they become more efficient and do not compromise the look of my property I might consider it. Until then I shall be supporting the hydraulic fracturing process to identify copies amounts of natural gas to efficiently generate EMF. You anti fossil fuel merchants ought to think yourselves lucky that crude oil (natural and organic to please the sandal brigade) was discovered. You would not enjoy the comforts of today without it.
Without North Sea Oil and gas the Thatcher government wold not have decimated manufacturing I this country and we would probably be better off today as a result.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AFrustratedCyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AFrustratedCyclist[/bold] wrote: Gas! So a new fossil fuelled power station, really? What about trying to attract a biomass plant or something, yes I know they're not perfect, yes I know they're not 100% carbon natural, but they're a **** site closer and more sustainable than gas or oil or coal. A step in the right direction at least, if not a final solution for the longer term future[/p][/quote]So how do you heat and light your cave?[/p][/quote]energy efficient LED lighting and solar panels, and you?[/p][/quote]I use the good old incandescent light bulb when I can get them. Do not want to have all the other options rammed down my throat. I also would want a return on solar panels before I die. When they become more efficient and do not compromise the look of my property I might consider it. Until then I shall be supporting the hydraulic fracturing process to identify copies amounts of natural gas to efficiently generate EMF. You anti fossil fuel merchants ought to think yourselves lucky that crude oil (natural and organic to please the sandal brigade) was discovered. You would not enjoy the comforts of today without it.[/p][/quote]Without North Sea Oil and gas the Thatcher government wold not have decimated manufacturing I this country and we would probably be better off today as a result. BeyondImagination
  • Score: -1

10:08am Sat 1 Mar 14

The Wickham Man says...

forest hump wrote:
AFrustratedCyclist wrote:
forest hump wrote:
AFrustratedCyclist wrote:
Gas! So a new fossil fuelled power station, really?

What about trying to attract a biomass plant or something, yes I know they're not perfect, yes I know they're not 100% carbon natural, but they're a **** site closer and more sustainable than gas or oil or coal.

A step in the right direction at least, if not a final solution for the longer term future
So how do you heat and light your cave?
energy efficient LED lighting and solar panels, and you?
I use the good old incandescent light bulb when I can get them. Do not want to have all the other options rammed down my throat. I also would want a return on solar panels before I die. When they become more efficient and do not compromise the look of my property I might consider it. Until then I shall be supporting the hydraulic fracturing process to identify copies amounts of natural gas to efficiently generate EMF. You anti fossil fuel merchants ought to think yourselves lucky that crude oil (natural and organic to please the sandal brigade) was discovered. You would not enjoy the comforts of today without it.
Sensible pragmatism makes a nice change on these pages.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AFrustratedCyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AFrustratedCyclist[/bold] wrote: Gas! So a new fossil fuelled power station, really? What about trying to attract a biomass plant or something, yes I know they're not perfect, yes I know they're not 100% carbon natural, but they're a **** site closer and more sustainable than gas or oil or coal. A step in the right direction at least, if not a final solution for the longer term future[/p][/quote]So how do you heat and light your cave?[/p][/quote]energy efficient LED lighting and solar panels, and you?[/p][/quote]I use the good old incandescent light bulb when I can get them. Do not want to have all the other options rammed down my throat. I also would want a return on solar panels before I die. When they become more efficient and do not compromise the look of my property I might consider it. Until then I shall be supporting the hydraulic fracturing process to identify copies amounts of natural gas to efficiently generate EMF. You anti fossil fuel merchants ought to think yourselves lucky that crude oil (natural and organic to please the sandal brigade) was discovered. You would not enjoy the comforts of today without it.[/p][/quote]Sensible pragmatism makes a nice change on these pages. The Wickham Man
  • Score: 0

10:18am Sat 1 Mar 14

The Wickham Man says...

BeyondImagination wrote:
forest hump wrote:
AFrustratedCyclist wrote:
forest hump wrote:
AFrustratedCyclist wrote:
Gas! So a new fossil fuelled power station, really?

What about trying to attract a biomass plant or something, yes I know they're not perfect, yes I know they're not 100% carbon natural, but they're a **** site closer and more sustainable than gas or oil or coal.

A step in the right direction at least, if not a final solution for the longer term future
So how do you heat and light your cave?
energy efficient LED lighting and solar panels, and you?
I use the good old incandescent light bulb when I can get them. Do not want to have all the other options rammed down my throat. I also would want a return on solar panels before I die. When they become more efficient and do not compromise the look of my property I might consider it. Until then I shall be supporting the hydraulic fracturing process to identify copies amounts of natural gas to efficiently generate EMF. You anti fossil fuel merchants ought to think yourselves lucky that crude oil (natural and organic to please the sandal brigade) was discovered. You would not enjoy the comforts of today without it.
Without North Sea Oil and gas the Thatcher government wold not have decimated manufacturing I this country and we would probably be better off today as a result.
THat is garbage. Firstly if manufacturing was sustainable competitive and profitable why do you think it needed GOvernment to prop it up? Try looking at what happened to the UK car industry to see how Management incompetence, and the left wing union militancy together destroyed our manaufacturing. Secondly look at banks which in this country have only ever been interested in short term profit and not long term investment. The "problem" is the city was incredibly good at what it did, and became the financial capital of the world so why would you interfere and destroy that as well? . The Thatcher GOvernment would have ben insane to destroy the banking sector just to throw subsidies to failing industries and unions that refused to modernise. Name one single manufacturing industry sector outside of defence and aerospace that outperformed foreign competition during the Thatcher years. You're really talking about protectionism aren't you.
[quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AFrustratedCyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AFrustratedCyclist[/bold] wrote: Gas! So a new fossil fuelled power station, really? What about trying to attract a biomass plant or something, yes I know they're not perfect, yes I know they're not 100% carbon natural, but they're a **** site closer and more sustainable than gas or oil or coal. A step in the right direction at least, if not a final solution for the longer term future[/p][/quote]So how do you heat and light your cave?[/p][/quote]energy efficient LED lighting and solar panels, and you?[/p][/quote]I use the good old incandescent light bulb when I can get them. Do not want to have all the other options rammed down my throat. I also would want a return on solar panels before I die. When they become more efficient and do not compromise the look of my property I might consider it. Until then I shall be supporting the hydraulic fracturing process to identify copies amounts of natural gas to efficiently generate EMF. You anti fossil fuel merchants ought to think yourselves lucky that crude oil (natural and organic to please the sandal brigade) was discovered. You would not enjoy the comforts of today without it.[/p][/quote]Without North Sea Oil and gas the Thatcher government wold not have decimated manufacturing I this country and we would probably be better off today as a result.[/p][/quote]THat is garbage. Firstly if manufacturing was sustainable competitive and profitable why do you think it needed GOvernment to prop it up? Try looking at what happened to the UK car industry to see how Management incompetence, and the left wing union militancy together destroyed our manaufacturing. Secondly look at banks which in this country have only ever been interested in short term profit and not long term investment. The "problem" is the city was incredibly good at what it did, and became the financial capital of the world so why would you interfere and destroy that as well? . The Thatcher GOvernment would have ben insane to destroy the banking sector just to throw subsidies to failing industries and unions that refused to modernise. Name one single manufacturing industry sector outside of defence and aerospace that outperformed foreign competition during the Thatcher years. You're really talking about protectionism aren't you. The Wickham Man
  • Score: -2

10:45am Sat 1 Mar 14

espanuel says...

southy wrote:
espanuel wrote:
It would be nice to keep the old control room as it gives a good view of the Solent. I worked in there when the station was being built and the 400Kv and 32Kv buildings. Just one thing I never saw any bulldozers go underground or sink. Bl**dy cold in the winter.
No you had to be there when they was building the plant not after it was running, a fair amount of heavy plant did disappear, there at lest 2 dumper trucks in the ground where it would of cost more to recover them than they was worth so they was push deeper into the soft mud
You pr*ck read what I wrote, I said when the station was being BUILT. Not when it was running.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: It would be nice to keep the old control room as it gives a good view of the Solent. I worked in there when the station was being built and the 400Kv and 32Kv buildings. Just one thing I never saw any bulldozers go underground or sink. Bl**dy cold in the winter.[/p][/quote]No you had to be there when they was building the plant not after it was running, a fair amount of heavy plant did disappear, there at lest 2 dumper trucks in the ground where it would of cost more to recover them than they was worth so they was push deeper into the soft mud[/p][/quote]You pr*ck read what I wrote, I said when the station was being BUILT. Not when it was running. espanuel
  • Score: 2

10:49am Sat 1 Mar 14

espanuel says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
espanuel wrote:
It would be nice to keep the old control room as it gives a good view of the Solent. I worked in there when the station was being built and the 400Kv and 32Kv buildings. Just one thing I never saw any bulldozers go underground or sink. Bl**dy cold in the winter.
No you had to be there when they was building the plant not after it was running, a fair amount of heavy plant did disappear, there at lest 2 dumper trucks in the ground where it would of cost more to recover them than they was worth so they was push deeper into the soft mud
Do you ever read before jumping in with both feet or did Margaret Thatcher alter the previous post to include the phrase ' I worked in there when the station was being built' after you'd tried to air another of your areas of (self-proclaimed) expertise?
Thank you Torchie1, Southy only reads what he wants to read.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: It would be nice to keep the old control room as it gives a good view of the Solent. I worked in there when the station was being built and the 400Kv and 32Kv buildings. Just one thing I never saw any bulldozers go underground or sink. Bl**dy cold in the winter.[/p][/quote]No you had to be there when they was building the plant not after it was running, a fair amount of heavy plant did disappear, there at lest 2 dumper trucks in the ground where it would of cost more to recover them than they was worth so they was push deeper into the soft mud[/p][/quote]Do you ever read before jumping in with both feet or did Margaret Thatcher alter the previous post to include the phrase ' I worked in there when the station was being built' after you'd tried to air another of your areas of (self-proclaimed) expertise?[/p][/quote]Thank you Torchie1, Southy only reads what he wants to read. espanuel
  • Score: 2

11:30am Sat 1 Mar 14

forest hump says...

BeyondImagination wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Why are we always subjected to unprofessional guessers? Let the professionals with a track record put forward some proposals to use the site and develop it for gainful employment.
There's a C missing from your name you Chump
Contribute when you are sober
[quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Why are we always subjected to unprofessional guessers? Let the professionals with a track record put forward some proposals to use the site and develop it for gainful employment.[/p][/quote]There's a C missing from your name you Chump[/p][/quote]Contribute when you are sober forest hump
  • Score: -3

11:40am Sat 1 Mar 14

forest hump says...

charrlee wrote:
forest hump wrote:
charrlee wrote:
There needs to be something that will provide employment and attract residents.
And it might create a future for the ailing Hardley School. Many people have warm, fond memories of it under the "old guard", led by ivor Astley, and the new, exciting direction in which Bob Underwood took it with "grant maintained status".
Fawley power station. The Fawley flame. What a smell. But it was stink that united a whole community.
Remember Ivor well also his predecessor Young. His wingman was Budge and his famous "twist". As with many things today, a simple name change perceives improvement. You are absolutely right with the "whole community" comment
A look of reverence and deep respect, blending with a sense of "a la recherche du temps perdu" appear of the faces of Hardley School alumni as they recite the list of their heroes : Roy Rosen, Freda Dunn, John Williams, Roy Harris, Hugh Langford, Gerry Bartlett along with the associated tales and anecdotes of outrageous, but hilarious and fondly-remembered escapades of both pupils and staff !

The schools, the cinema, the pubs, Gangwarily, the small shops in Holbury, Blackfield, and Fawley, and the refinery itself gave that community a completeness you rarely find elsewhere.

They definitely need a big, solid employment opportunity down there, otherwise people will move out and it will become a wasteland.
There is still huge potential in the waterside for industrial development and employment. Despite the influx of nimbyism, there is opportunity to integrate sensibly with the local environment. Dibden Bay was a huge lost opportunity, let's not make that mistake again. Says he ducking a blackboard eraser thrown with pinpoint accuracy by a certain J Williams
[quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: There needs to be something that will provide employment and attract residents. And it might create a future for the ailing Hardley School. Many people have warm, fond memories of it under the "old guard", led by ivor Astley, and the new, exciting direction in which Bob Underwood took it with "grant maintained status". Fawley power station. The Fawley flame. What a smell. But it was stink that united a whole community.[/p][/quote]Remember Ivor well also his predecessor Young. His wingman was Budge and his famous "twist". As with many things today, a simple name change perceives improvement. You are absolutely right with the "whole community" comment[/p][/quote]A look of reverence and deep respect, blending with a sense of "a la recherche du temps perdu" appear of the faces of Hardley School alumni as they recite the list of their heroes : Roy Rosen, Freda Dunn, John Williams, Roy Harris, Hugh Langford, Gerry Bartlett along with the associated tales and anecdotes of outrageous, but hilarious and fondly-remembered escapades of both pupils and staff ! The schools, the cinema, the pubs, Gangwarily, the small shops in Holbury, Blackfield, and Fawley, and the refinery itself gave that community a completeness you rarely find elsewhere. They definitely need a big, solid employment opportunity down there, otherwise people will move out and it will become a wasteland.[/p][/quote]There is still huge potential in the waterside for industrial development and employment. Despite the influx of nimbyism, there is opportunity to integrate sensibly with the local environment. Dibden Bay was a huge lost opportunity, let's not make that mistake again. Says he ducking a blackboard eraser thrown with pinpoint accuracy by a certain J Williams forest hump
  • Score: -1

11:24am Sun 2 Mar 14

southy says...

espanuel wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
espanuel wrote:
It would be nice to keep the old control room as it gives a good view of the Solent. I worked in there when the station was being built and the 400Kv and 32Kv buildings. Just one thing I never saw any bulldozers go underground or sink. Bl**dy cold in the winter.
No you had to be there when they was building the plant not after it was running, a fair amount of heavy plant did disappear, there at lest 2 dumper trucks in the ground where it would of cost more to recover them than they was worth so they was push deeper into the soft mud
Do you ever read before jumping in with both feet or did Margaret Thatcher alter the previous post to include the phrase ' I worked in there when the station was being built' after you'd tried to air another of your areas of (self-proclaimed) expertise?
Thank you Torchie1, Southy only reads what he wants to read.
There photographs at the Tarmac construction offices off Fawley power Station when it was being built and there are pictures of dumpers being written off as insurance write off lost in the soft mud,.
Mitchell Construction / Kinnear Moodie was totally taken over by Tarmac in 1973 and all documents and picture you will find at that there concrete construction offices in Henlade Somerset.
[quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: It would be nice to keep the old control room as it gives a good view of the Solent. I worked in there when the station was being built and the 400Kv and 32Kv buildings. Just one thing I never saw any bulldozers go underground or sink. Bl**dy cold in the winter.[/p][/quote]No you had to be there when they was building the plant not after it was running, a fair amount of heavy plant did disappear, there at lest 2 dumper trucks in the ground where it would of cost more to recover them than they was worth so they was push deeper into the soft mud[/p][/quote]Do you ever read before jumping in with both feet or did Margaret Thatcher alter the previous post to include the phrase ' I worked in there when the station was being built' after you'd tried to air another of your areas of (self-proclaimed) expertise?[/p][/quote]Thank you Torchie1, Southy only reads what he wants to read.[/p][/quote]There photographs at the Tarmac construction offices off Fawley power Station when it was being built and there are pictures of dumpers being written off as insurance write off lost in the soft mud,. Mitchell Construction / Kinnear Moodie was totally taken over by Tarmac in 1973 and all documents and picture you will find at that there concrete construction offices in Henlade Somerset. southy
  • Score: -2

10:05pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Sir Ad E Noid says...

Torchie1 wrote:
AFrustratedCyclist wrote:
Gas! So a new fossil fuelled power station, really?

What about trying to attract a biomass plant or something, yes I know they're not perfect, yes I know they're not 100% carbon natural, but they're a **** site closer and more sustainable than gas or oil or coal.

A step in the right direction at least, if not a final solution for the longer term future
Do you think the local population would be any more welcoming than those in Millbrook where the infrastructure already exists for a Bio-Mass installation?
Yes they would, and if they complained, so what. This is an industrial site, so industrial in fill is required. Another large power station would do. There always was a very good reason for putting the power station at Fawley, and it has nothing to do with water or oil.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AFrustratedCyclist[/bold] wrote: Gas! So a new fossil fuelled power station, really? What about trying to attract a biomass plant or something, yes I know they're not perfect, yes I know they're not 100% carbon natural, but they're a **** site closer and more sustainable than gas or oil or coal. A step in the right direction at least, if not a final solution for the longer term future[/p][/quote]Do you think the local population would be any more welcoming than those in Millbrook where the infrastructure already exists for a Bio-Mass installation?[/p][/quote]Yes they would, and if they complained, so what. This is an industrial site, so industrial in fill is required. Another large power station would do. There always was a very good reason for putting the power station at Fawley, and it has nothing to do with water or oil. Sir Ad E Noid
  • Score: -1

10:13pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Sir Ad E Noid says...

espanuel wrote:
southy wrote:
espanuel wrote:
It would be nice to keep the old control room as it gives a good view of the Solent. I worked in there when the station was being built and the 400Kv and 32Kv buildings. Just one thing I never saw any bulldozers go underground or sink. Bl**dy cold in the winter.
No you had to be there when they was building the plant not after it was running, a fair amount of heavy plant did disappear, there at lest 2 dumper trucks in the ground where it would of cost more to recover them than they was worth so they was push deeper into the soft mud
You pr*ck read what I wrote, I said when the station was being BUILT. Not when it was running.
Where were the 32kV buildings? I worked there for 9 years, after the station was built, must of missed them.
[quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: It would be nice to keep the old control room as it gives a good view of the Solent. I worked in there when the station was being built and the 400Kv and 32Kv buildings. Just one thing I never saw any bulldozers go underground or sink. Bl**dy cold in the winter.[/p][/quote]No you had to be there when they was building the plant not after it was running, a fair amount of heavy plant did disappear, there at lest 2 dumper trucks in the ground where it would of cost more to recover them than they was worth so they was push deeper into the soft mud[/p][/quote]You pr*ck read what I wrote, I said when the station was being BUILT. Not when it was running.[/p][/quote]Where were the 32kV buildings? I worked there for 9 years, after the station was built, must of missed them. Sir Ad E Noid
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