Patient Gillian Heath told to wait one year for vital back operation at Royal South Hants Hospital

Daily Echo: DISTRAUGHT: Gillian and Godfrey Heath DISTRAUGHT: Gillian and Godfrey Heath

A DISTRAUGHT Hampshire woman has been told she will have to wait a year before she can have a vital operation on her back.

Gillian Heath has been suffering chronic back pain for months and is in agony whenever she moves because of two slipped discs in her spine.

The 73-year-old, from Bishop’s Waltham, is on so many painkillers doctors have said if she were to take any more they would kill her.

Her husband Godfrey believes the sheer number of drugs are taking a psychological toll on his wife.

A separate hip replacement operation has had to be cancelled while Gillian waits for her back problems to be corrected.

But surgeons at the Royal South Hants Hospital in Southampton have told the couple that due to the heavy demand for spinal surgery she can expect to wait a year before the problem can be fixed.

University Hospital Southampton NHS Trust, which runs the service at the Brintons Terrace hospital, admits that patients currently have to wait longer for operations than the trust would like.

Godfrey said: “Her life’s on hold, my life’s on hold. I have to take care of her all the time. Every time she goes to move she’s in pain. I try to help her but she screams and screams ‘I know you’re trying to help but you’re pulling on the pain’.

“I’m at my wits’ end. I don’t know what to do for her.”

Two spinal discs have moved in Gillian’s lower back, pressing on a major nerve, which sends signals to the lower half of her body.

“It’s a wonder the sciatic nerve hasn’t been cut,” said Godfrey, a former house-builder.

Her pain has become so severe that she has been forced to cancel a separate hip replacement operation due to osteoarthritis until this operation goes ahead.

After not getting anywhere with the NHS, he took his wife for a private consultation towards the end of last year. But the vital operation would cost the couple £24,000 – money they don’t have.

“It’s an absolute disgrace. You would have thought that, with a hip replacement needed, it would have made her a more special case,” said Godfrey.

A spokesman for University Hospital Southampton said: “Our spinal service is currently facing heavy demand for surgery which means, unfortunately, patients are having to wait longer than we would like as we prioritise cases based on clinical need.

“We understand this can be frustrating for patients awaiting surgery and would be happy to talk to Mrs Heath directly so we can discuss her case and see if we can provide any additional advice or support.”

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11:08am Mon 3 Mar 14

SFC-Matt says...

So you would expect the UHS NHS trust to cancel the operation of somebody in the same situation as you in order to put you higher up the list.
So you would expect the UHS NHS trust to cancel the operation of somebody in the same situation as you in order to put you higher up the list. SFC-Matt
  • Score: 23

11:08am Mon 3 Mar 14

country bird says...

our "British" nhs is a disgrace.
I have to say this......we should not be allowing anymore foreigners/immigrant
s into our country.

I believe it is because of the volumes that have been allowed to enter and stay in our country, OUR nhs service is not working as it should.

Charity begins at home, always used to be, and thats what we should be trying to go back to.

The government is a nightmare and sick of this country and its ethics and politics.

CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME PEOPLE. give this lady her back operations and stop helping foreigners.
our "British" nhs is a disgrace. I have to say this......we should not be allowing anymore foreigners/immigrant s into our country. I believe it is because of the volumes that have been allowed to enter and stay in our country, OUR nhs service is not working as it should. Charity begins at home, always used to be, and thats what we should be trying to go back to. The government is a nightmare and sick of this country and its ethics and politics. CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME PEOPLE. give this lady her back operations and stop helping foreigners. country bird
  • Score: -1

11:21am Mon 3 Mar 14

good-gosh says...

It's all very nice for the NHS to employ 1/2 million people but pointless when you can't get treatment when you need it.
It's all very nice for the NHS to employ 1/2 million people but pointless when you can't get treatment when you need it. good-gosh
  • Score: 6

11:28am Mon 3 Mar 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Quote :- "NHS is safe in our hands" ...... Now who was it that said that in May 2010
Quote :- "NHS is safe in our hands" ...... Now who was it that said that in May 2010 Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -2

11:46am Mon 3 Mar 14

Torchie1 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Quote :- "NHS is safe in our hands" ...... Now who was it that said that in May 2010
You can confidently state that there were no delays in treatment prior to May 2010 ?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Quote :- "NHS is safe in our hands" ...... Now who was it that said that in May 2010[/p][/quote]You can confidently state that there were no delays in treatment prior to May 2010 ? Torchie1
  • Score: 15

11:51am Mon 3 Mar 14

townieboy says...

I wonder how long you would wait if you went private for this operation ???? I would think it would be a matter of days and performed by the same people.
I wonder how long you would wait if you went private for this operation ???? I would think it would be a matter of days and performed by the same people. townieboy
  • Score: 22

12:38pm Mon 3 Mar 14

waltons11 says...

My son in law has been waiting over 2 years for an operation on his back.For the first time in his life he cannot work, he has to claim DLA and takes so many drugs that half the time he cannot focus on anything. This is a ridiculous situation - something really does need to be done.
My son in law has been waiting over 2 years for an operation on his back.For the first time in his life he cannot work, he has to claim DLA and takes so many drugs that half the time he cannot focus on anything. This is a ridiculous situation - something really does need to be done. waltons11
  • Score: 18

12:52pm Mon 3 Mar 14

southy says...

townieboy wrote:
I wonder how long you would wait if you went private for this operation ???? I would think it would be a matter of days and performed by the same people.
Not long as private cue will jump NHS, you could be dieing and be book in for a life saving operation only to get push back by private just to do cosmetic surgery.
Money talks rightness walks
[quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: I wonder how long you would wait if you went private for this operation ???? I would think it would be a matter of days and performed by the same people.[/p][/quote]Not long as private cue will jump NHS, you could be dieing and be book in for a life saving operation only to get push back by private just to do cosmetic surgery. Money talks rightness walks southy
  • Score: -8

12:53pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
townieboy wrote:
I wonder how long you would wait if you went private for this operation ???? I would think it would be a matter of days and performed by the same people.
Not long as private cue will jump NHS, you could be dieing and be book in for a life saving operation only to get push back by private just to do cosmetic surgery.
Money talks rightness walks
Can you provide an example?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: I wonder how long you would wait if you went private for this operation ???? I would think it would be a matter of days and performed by the same people.[/p][/quote]Not long as private cue will jump NHS, you could be dieing and be book in for a life saving operation only to get push back by private just to do cosmetic surgery. Money talks rightness walks[/p][/quote]Can you provide an example? Shoong
  • Score: 12

1:21pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Shoong says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Quote :- "NHS is safe in our hands" ...... Now who was it that said that in May 2010
A bit like 'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime'.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Quote :- "NHS is safe in our hands" ...... Now who was it that said that in May 2010[/p][/quote]A bit like 'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime'. Shoong
  • Score: 9

1:23pm Mon 3 Mar 14

skeptik says...

Any organization that is failing the fault should always be laid at the door of those at the, top years of interference - since 1988 there have been some 12 health secretaries 6 from each party - yet we still have folk claiming that if they vote for their party it will be sorted - why has this theory not worked and why should we believe that the next change will take us to efficiency. Too many agencies, trusts. quangos which acts as a drag anchor on progress. Got a problem? Add another layer another investigation or review, millions blown on IT when a commercial OS would probably have done the job. Money in the wrong hands to keep fiefdoms going with well paid non jobs ruling the roost. You can bet your bottom dollar that the next review will not suggest complete change - but more of the same and another failure down the line.
Any organization that is failing the fault should always be laid at the door of those at the, top years of interference - since 1988 there have been some 12 health secretaries 6 from each party - yet we still have folk claiming that if they vote for their party it will be sorted - why has this theory not worked and why should we believe that the next change will take us to efficiency. Too many agencies, trusts. quangos which acts as a drag anchor on progress. Got a problem? Add another layer another investigation or review, millions blown on IT when a commercial OS would probably have done the job. Money in the wrong hands to keep fiefdoms going with well paid non jobs ruling the roost. You can bet your bottom dollar that the next review will not suggest complete change - but more of the same and another failure down the line. skeptik
  • Score: 10

1:30pm Mon 3 Mar 14

From the sidelines says...

“It’s a wonder the sciatic nerve hasn’t been cut,” said Godfrey, a former house-builder.


Thank you for sharing the benefit of your expert medical opinion.
“It’s a wonder the sciatic nerve hasn’t been cut,” said Godfrey, a former house-builder. Thank you for sharing the benefit of your expert medical opinion. From the sidelines
  • Score: 4

1:32pm Mon 3 Mar 14

southy says...

waltons11 wrote:
My son in law has been waiting over 2 years for an operation on his back.For the first time in his life he cannot work, he has to claim DLA and takes so many drugs that half the time he cannot focus on anything. This is a ridiculous situation - something really does need to be done.
DLA no longer excise it as been replace with 1 new benefit which includes other benefits where you don't sign on being unemployed though medical reasons, you son in law would off gone though ATOS check up and been awarded zero points, every one was who was on those types of benefits 1,600 people have died since the government made these changes from having there benefit stop, there is a government quota of the number of people allowed on the new replacement benefit and to get on this benefit you have to appeal in which your son in law chances of getting on is zero.
What happens is that he will go to ATOS have a check up and tests by this company who then sends the paper work off to a government dept to be look at (these people have no medical back ground they are whitehall pen pushers and are hand pick to do the job) with there recommendation that is ignored weather its for or against no-one gets any points the first time round you are force to make appeal and if you do not offer any new evidence to support your claim you will get zero points again and force to sign on looking for work, there is how ever 1 benefit of signing on for unemployment benefit you get any prescription free where as before you had to pay for any medication that was needed.
ATOS as now been awarded the contract to every one in the UK medical records against public wishes
[quote][p][bold]waltons11[/bold] wrote: My son in law has been waiting over 2 years for an operation on his back.For the first time in his life he cannot work, he has to claim DLA and takes so many drugs that half the time he cannot focus on anything. This is a ridiculous situation - something really does need to be done.[/p][/quote]DLA no longer excise it as been replace with 1 new benefit which includes other benefits where you don't sign on being unemployed though medical reasons, you son in law would off gone though ATOS check up and been awarded zero points, every one was who was on those types of benefits 1,600 people have died since the government made these changes from having there benefit stop, there is a government quota of the number of people allowed on the new replacement benefit and to get on this benefit you have to appeal in which your son in law chances of getting on is zero. What happens is that he will go to ATOS have a check up and tests by this company who then sends the paper work off to a government dept to be look at (these people have no medical back ground they are whitehall pen pushers and are hand pick to do the job) with there recommendation that is ignored weather its for or against no-one gets any points the first time round you are force to make appeal and if you do not offer any new evidence to support your claim you will get zero points again and force to sign on looking for work, there is how ever 1 benefit of signing on for unemployment benefit you get any prescription free where as before you had to pay for any medication that was needed. ATOS as now been awarded the contract to every one in the UK medical records against public wishes southy
  • Score: -10

1:37pm Mon 3 Mar 14

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
townieboy wrote:
I wonder how long you would wait if you went private for this operation ???? I would think it would be a matter of days and performed by the same people.
Not long as private cue will jump NHS, you could be dieing and be book in for a life saving operation only to get push back by private just to do cosmetic surgery.
Money talks rightness walks
Can you provide an example?
there are loads out there is you want to look and i do not need to provide an example its a case of you personally going and look for your self and read about people cases.
And its been going on ever since the NHS was first set up. that private care will cue jump NHS care. read up on how the NHS works and the rules when they was first set down back in the late 1940's
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: I wonder how long you would wait if you went private for this operation ???? I would think it would be a matter of days and performed by the same people.[/p][/quote]Not long as private cue will jump NHS, you could be dieing and be book in for a life saving operation only to get push back by private just to do cosmetic surgery. Money talks rightness walks[/p][/quote]Can you provide an example?[/p][/quote]there are loads out there is you want to look and i do not need to provide an example its a case of you personally going and look for your self and read about people cases. And its been going on ever since the NHS was first set up. that private care will cue jump NHS care. read up on how the NHS works and the rules when they was first set down back in the late 1940's southy
  • Score: -7

1:37pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Shoong wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Quote :- "NHS is safe in our hands" ...... Now who was it that said that in May 2010
A bit like 'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime'.
Why do you feel the need to divert the attention away from the subject ??
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Quote :- "NHS is safe in our hands" ...... Now who was it that said that in May 2010[/p][/quote]A bit like 'tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime'.[/p][/quote]Why do you feel the need to divert the attention away from the subject ?? Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -12

2:01pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
townieboy wrote:
I wonder how long you would wait if you went private for this operation ???? I would think it would be a matter of days and performed by the same people.
Not long as private cue will jump NHS, you could be dieing and be book in for a life saving operation only to get push back by private just to do cosmetic surgery.
Money talks rightness walks
Can you provide an example?
there are loads out there is you want to look and i do not need to provide an example its a case of you personally going and look for your self and read about people cases.
And its been going on ever since the NHS was first set up. that private care will cue jump NHS care. read up on how the NHS works and the rules when they was first set down back in the late 1940's
No, I'm not doing the leg work for you, you made the comment - now back it up with some facts, although I'm not denying it doesn't go on.

We'd be especially interested in the cases of where important operations where delayed because of cosmetic surgery.

Either that or we'll assume it was just one of your ill informed repetitive rants.

Up to you.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: I wonder how long you would wait if you went private for this operation ???? I would think it would be a matter of days and performed by the same people.[/p][/quote]Not long as private cue will jump NHS, you could be dieing and be book in for a life saving operation only to get push back by private just to do cosmetic surgery. Money talks rightness walks[/p][/quote]Can you provide an example?[/p][/quote]there are loads out there is you want to look and i do not need to provide an example its a case of you personally going and look for your self and read about people cases. And its been going on ever since the NHS was first set up. that private care will cue jump NHS care. read up on how the NHS works and the rules when they was first set down back in the late 1940's[/p][/quote]No, I'm not doing the leg work for you, you made the comment - now back it up with some facts, although I'm not denying it doesn't go on. We'd be especially interested in the cases of where important operations where delayed because of cosmetic surgery. Either that or we'll assume it was just one of your ill informed repetitive rants. Up to you. Shoong
  • Score: 9

2:19pm Mon 3 Mar 14

From the sidelines says...

southy wrote:
townieboy wrote:
I wonder how long you would wait if you went private for this operation ???? I would think it would be a matter of days and performed by the same people.
Not long as private cue will jump NHS, you could be dieing and be book in for a life saving operation only to get push back by private just to do cosmetic surgery.
Money talks rightness walks
Southy is inviting us to believe that:

- the NHS allows private cosmetic surgery to be prioritised over life-saving surgery.
- if his comment is relevant to this story, it suggests that surgeons who work on the spine are the same surgeons who perform cosmetic surgery. (Beautiful back, anyone?)
- that there is something inherently wrong in using your own money to purchase the services that you want.

Interesting.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: I wonder how long you would wait if you went private for this operation ???? I would think it would be a matter of days and performed by the same people.[/p][/quote]Not long as private cue will jump NHS, you could be dieing and be book in for a life saving operation only to get push back by private just to do cosmetic surgery. Money talks rightness walks[/p][/quote]Southy is inviting us to believe that: - the NHS allows private cosmetic surgery to be prioritised over life-saving surgery. - if his comment is relevant to this story, it suggests that surgeons who work on the spine are the same surgeons who perform cosmetic surgery. (Beautiful back, anyone?) - that there is something inherently wrong in using your own money to purchase the services that you want. Interesting. From the sidelines
  • Score: 10

2:57pm Mon 3 Mar 14

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
townieboy wrote:
I wonder how long you would wait if you went private for this operation ???? I would think it would be a matter of days and performed by the same people.
Not long as private cue will jump NHS, you could be dieing and be book in for a life saving operation only to get push back by private just to do cosmetic surgery.
Money talks rightness walks
Can you provide an example?
there are loads out there is you want to look and i do not need to provide an example its a case of you personally going and look for your self and read about people cases.
And its been going on ever since the NHS was first set up. that private care will cue jump NHS care. read up on how the NHS works and the rules when they was first set down back in the late 1940's
No, I'm not doing the leg work for you, you made the comment - now back it up with some facts, although I'm not denying it doesn't go on.

We'd be especially interested in the cases of where important operations where delayed because of cosmetic surgery.

Either that or we'll assume it was just one of your ill informed repetitive rants.

Up to you.
Your not doing any leg work for me your be doing it for your self it is the responsibility of every person to find out for them selfs and start asking questiions.
And it is that as gone on since the NHS was first started that private care will cue jump NHS care, there as been questions in the house of Commons about this a number of times, its down to you now to dig deeper
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: I wonder how long you would wait if you went private for this operation ???? I would think it would be a matter of days and performed by the same people.[/p][/quote]Not long as private cue will jump NHS, you could be dieing and be book in for a life saving operation only to get push back by private just to do cosmetic surgery. Money talks rightness walks[/p][/quote]Can you provide an example?[/p][/quote]there are loads out there is you want to look and i do not need to provide an example its a case of you personally going and look for your self and read about people cases. And its been going on ever since the NHS was first set up. that private care will cue jump NHS care. read up on how the NHS works and the rules when they was first set down back in the late 1940's[/p][/quote]No, I'm not doing the leg work for you, you made the comment - now back it up with some facts, although I'm not denying it doesn't go on. We'd be especially interested in the cases of where important operations where delayed because of cosmetic surgery. Either that or we'll assume it was just one of your ill informed repetitive rants. Up to you.[/p][/quote]Your not doing any leg work for me your be doing it for your self it is the responsibility of every person to find out for them selfs and start asking questiions. And it is that as gone on since the NHS was first started that private care will cue jump NHS care, there as been questions in the house of Commons about this a number of times, its down to you now to dig deeper southy
  • Score: -14

2:57pm Mon 3 Mar 14

hulla baloo says...

Splitting heirs? Is there an inheritance involved?
Splitting heirs? Is there an inheritance involved? hulla baloo
  • Score: 6

3:00pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
townieboy wrote:
I wonder how long you would wait if you went private for this operation ???? I would think it would be a matter of days and performed by the same people.
Not long as private cue will jump NHS, you could be dieing and be book in for a life saving operation only to get push back by private just to do cosmetic surgery.
Money talks rightness walks
Can you provide an example?
there are loads out there is you want to look and i do not need to provide an example its a case of you personally going and look for your self and read about people cases.
And its been going on ever since the NHS was first set up. that private care will cue jump NHS care. read up on how the NHS works and the rules when they was first set down back in the late 1940's
No, I'm not doing the leg work for you, you made the comment - now back it up with some facts, although I'm not denying it doesn't go on.

We'd be especially interested in the cases of where important operations where delayed because of cosmetic surgery.

Either that or we'll assume it was just one of your ill informed repetitive rants.

Up to you.
Your not doing any leg work for me your be doing it for your self it is the responsibility of every person to find out for them selfs and start asking questiions.
And it is that as gone on since the NHS was first started that private care will cue jump NHS care, there as been questions in the house of Commons about this a number of times, its down to you now to dig deeper
You brought it up - now back it up.

In fact don't bother - it'll just be the same old guff anyway.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: I wonder how long you would wait if you went private for this operation ???? I would think it would be a matter of days and performed by the same people.[/p][/quote]Not long as private cue will jump NHS, you could be dieing and be book in for a life saving operation only to get push back by private just to do cosmetic surgery. Money talks rightness walks[/p][/quote]Can you provide an example?[/p][/quote]there are loads out there is you want to look and i do not need to provide an example its a case of you personally going and look for your self and read about people cases. And its been going on ever since the NHS was first set up. that private care will cue jump NHS care. read up on how the NHS works and the rules when they was first set down back in the late 1940's[/p][/quote]No, I'm not doing the leg work for you, you made the comment - now back it up with some facts, although I'm not denying it doesn't go on. We'd be especially interested in the cases of where important operations where delayed because of cosmetic surgery. Either that or we'll assume it was just one of your ill informed repetitive rants. Up to you.[/p][/quote]Your not doing any leg work for me your be doing it for your self it is the responsibility of every person to find out for them selfs and start asking questiions. And it is that as gone on since the NHS was first started that private care will cue jump NHS care, there as been questions in the house of Commons about this a number of times, its down to you now to dig deeper[/p][/quote]You brought it up - now back it up. In fact don't bother - it'll just be the same old guff anyway. Shoong
  • Score: 9

3:53pm Mon 3 Mar 14

townieboy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
townieboy wrote: I wonder how long you would wait if you went private for this operation ???? I would think it would be a matter of days and performed by the same people.
Not long as private cue will jump NHS, you could be dieing and be book in for a life saving operation only to get push back by private just to do cosmetic surgery. Money talks rightness walks
Can you provide an example?
there are loads out there is you want to look and i do not need to provide an example its a case of you personally going and look for your self and read about people cases. And its been going on ever since the NHS was first set up. that private care will cue jump NHS care. read up on how the NHS works and the rules when they was first set down back in the late 1940's
No, I'm not doing the leg work for you, you made the comment - now back it up with some facts, although I'm not denying it doesn't go on. We'd be especially interested in the cases of where important operations where delayed because of cosmetic surgery. Either that or we'll assume it was just one of your ill informed repetitive rants. Up to you.
ONE EXAMPLE WAS A FRIEND WITH CARPEL TUNNEL. WAIT OVER A YEAR ON NHS OR A WEEK PRIVATE. THINK THAT WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE DONT YOU.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: I wonder how long you would wait if you went private for this operation ???? I would think it would be a matter of days and performed by the same people.[/p][/quote]Not long as private cue will jump NHS, you could be dieing and be book in for a life saving operation only to get push back by private just to do cosmetic surgery. Money talks rightness walks[/p][/quote]Can you provide an example?[/p][/quote]there are loads out there is you want to look and i do not need to provide an example its a case of you personally going and look for your self and read about people cases. And its been going on ever since the NHS was first set up. that private care will cue jump NHS care. read up on how the NHS works and the rules when they was first set down back in the late 1940's[/p][/quote]No, I'm not doing the leg work for you, you made the comment - now back it up with some facts, although I'm not denying it doesn't go on. We'd be especially interested in the cases of where important operations where delayed because of cosmetic surgery. Either that or we'll assume it was just one of your ill informed repetitive rants. Up to you.[/p][/quote]ONE EXAMPLE WAS A FRIEND WITH CARPEL TUNNEL. WAIT OVER A YEAR ON NHS OR A WEEK PRIVATE. THINK THAT WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE DONT YOU. townieboy
  • Score: -7

3:57pm Mon 3 Mar 14

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
townieboy wrote:
I wonder how long you would wait if you went private for this operation ???? I would think it would be a matter of days and performed by the same people.
Not long as private cue will jump NHS, you could be dieing and be book in for a life saving operation only to get push back by private just to do cosmetic surgery.
Money talks rightness walks
Can you provide an example?
there are loads out there is you want to look and i do not need to provide an example its a case of you personally going and look for your self and read about people cases.
And its been going on ever since the NHS was first set up. that private care will cue jump NHS care. read up on how the NHS works and the rules when they was first set down back in the late 1940's
No, I'm not doing the leg work for you, you made the comment - now back it up with some facts, although I'm not denying it doesn't go on.

We'd be especially interested in the cases of where important operations where delayed because of cosmetic surgery.

Either that or we'll assume it was just one of your ill informed repetitive rants.

Up to you.
Your not doing any leg work for me your be doing it for your self it is the responsibility of every person to find out for them selfs and start asking questiions.
And it is that as gone on since the NHS was first started that private care will cue jump NHS care, there as been questions in the house of Commons about this a number of times, its down to you now to dig deeper
You brought it up - now back it up.

In fact don't bother - it'll just be the same old guff anyway.
It do not matter who brings it up, its is down you to prove or disapprove to your self no one else, i don't need to back up any thing what takes place is common enough knowledge it do happen and do take place as there have been complains to MPs to bring the subject up in Government and it as come up a number of times in the house of commons.
Now I have given you a few places where to look for the information, if you can't be bothered to find out for your self that is not down to me to do it for you.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: I wonder how long you would wait if you went private for this operation ???? I would think it would be a matter of days and performed by the same people.[/p][/quote]Not long as private cue will jump NHS, you could be dieing and be book in for a life saving operation only to get push back by private just to do cosmetic surgery. Money talks rightness walks[/p][/quote]Can you provide an example?[/p][/quote]there are loads out there is you want to look and i do not need to provide an example its a case of you personally going and look for your self and read about people cases. And its been going on ever since the NHS was first set up. that private care will cue jump NHS care. read up on how the NHS works and the rules when they was first set down back in the late 1940's[/p][/quote]No, I'm not doing the leg work for you, you made the comment - now back it up with some facts, although I'm not denying it doesn't go on. We'd be especially interested in the cases of where important operations where delayed because of cosmetic surgery. Either that or we'll assume it was just one of your ill informed repetitive rants. Up to you.[/p][/quote]Your not doing any leg work for me your be doing it for your self it is the responsibility of every person to find out for them selfs and start asking questiions. And it is that as gone on since the NHS was first started that private care will cue jump NHS care, there as been questions in the house of Commons about this a number of times, its down to you now to dig deeper[/p][/quote]You brought it up - now back it up. In fact don't bother - it'll just be the same old guff anyway.[/p][/quote]It do not matter who brings it up, its is down you to prove or disapprove to your self no one else, i don't need to back up any thing what takes place is common enough knowledge it do happen and do take place as there have been complains to MPs to bring the subject up in Government and it as come up a number of times in the house of commons. Now I have given you a few places where to look for the information, if you can't be bothered to find out for your self that is not down to me to do it for you. southy
  • Score: -10

3:58pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Shoong says...

townieboy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
townieboy wrote: I wonder how long you would wait if you went private for this operation ???? I would think it would be a matter of days and performed by the same people.
Not long as private cue will jump NHS, you could be dieing and be book in for a life saving operation only to get push back by private just to do cosmetic surgery. Money talks rightness walks
Can you provide an example?
there are loads out there is you want to look and i do not need to provide an example its a case of you personally going and look for your self and read about people cases. And its been going on ever since the NHS was first set up. that private care will cue jump NHS care. read up on how the NHS works and the rules when they was first set down back in the late 1940's
No, I'm not doing the leg work for you, you made the comment - now back it up with some facts, although I'm not denying it doesn't go on. We'd be especially interested in the cases of where important operations where delayed because of cosmetic surgery. Either that or we'll assume it was just one of your ill informed repetitive rants. Up to you.
ONE EXAMPLE WAS A FRIEND WITH CARPEL TUNNEL. WAIT OVER A YEAR ON NHS OR A WEEK PRIVATE. THINK THAT WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE DONT YOU.
YOU WHAT? DIDN'T QUITE CATCH THAT.
[quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: I wonder how long you would wait if you went private for this operation ???? I would think it would be a matter of days and performed by the same people.[/p][/quote]Not long as private cue will jump NHS, you could be dieing and be book in for a life saving operation only to get push back by private just to do cosmetic surgery. Money talks rightness walks[/p][/quote]Can you provide an example?[/p][/quote]there are loads out there is you want to look and i do not need to provide an example its a case of you personally going and look for your self and read about people cases. And its been going on ever since the NHS was first set up. that private care will cue jump NHS care. read up on how the NHS works and the rules when they was first set down back in the late 1940's[/p][/quote]No, I'm not doing the leg work for you, you made the comment - now back it up with some facts, although I'm not denying it doesn't go on. We'd be especially interested in the cases of where important operations where delayed because of cosmetic surgery. Either that or we'll assume it was just one of your ill informed repetitive rants. Up to you.[/p][/quote]ONE EXAMPLE WAS A FRIEND WITH CARPEL TUNNEL. WAIT OVER A YEAR ON NHS OR A WEEK PRIVATE. THINK THAT WAS A GOOD EXAMPLE DONT YOU.[/p][/quote]YOU WHAT? DIDN'T QUITE CATCH THAT. Shoong
  • Score: 1

4:01pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
townieboy wrote:
I wonder how long you would wait if you went private for this operation ???? I would think it would be a matter of days and performed by the same people.
Not long as private cue will jump NHS, you could be dieing and be book in for a life saving operation only to get push back by private just to do cosmetic surgery.
Money talks rightness walks
Can you provide an example?
there are loads out there is you want to look and i do not need to provide an example its a case of you personally going and look for your self and read about people cases.
And its been going on ever since the NHS was first set up. that private care will cue jump NHS care. read up on how the NHS works and the rules when they was first set down back in the late 1940's
No, I'm not doing the leg work for you, you made the comment - now back it up with some facts, although I'm not denying it doesn't go on.

We'd be especially interested in the cases of where important operations where delayed because of cosmetic surgery.

Either that or we'll assume it was just one of your ill informed repetitive rants.

Up to you.
Your not doing any leg work for me your be doing it for your self it is the responsibility of every person to find out for them selfs and start asking questiions.
And it is that as gone on since the NHS was first started that private care will cue jump NHS care, there as been questions in the house of Commons about this a number of times, its down to you now to dig deeper
You brought it up - now back it up.

In fact don't bother - it'll just be the same old guff anyway.
It do not matter who brings it up, its is down you to prove or disapprove to your self no one else, i don't need to back up any thing what takes place is common enough knowledge it do happen and do take place as there have been complains to MPs to bring the subject up in Government and it as come up a number of times in the house of commons.
Now I have given you a few places where to look for the information, if you can't be bothered to find out for your self that is not down to me to do it for you.
Ah, so you go through life just saying stuff without being able to back it up.

You wonder why no-one can take you seriously.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: I wonder how long you would wait if you went private for this operation ???? I would think it would be a matter of days and performed by the same people.[/p][/quote]Not long as private cue will jump NHS, you could be dieing and be book in for a life saving operation only to get push back by private just to do cosmetic surgery. Money talks rightness walks[/p][/quote]Can you provide an example?[/p][/quote]there are loads out there is you want to look and i do not need to provide an example its a case of you personally going and look for your self and read about people cases. And its been going on ever since the NHS was first set up. that private care will cue jump NHS care. read up on how the NHS works and the rules when they was first set down back in the late 1940's[/p][/quote]No, I'm not doing the leg work for you, you made the comment - now back it up with some facts, although I'm not denying it doesn't go on. We'd be especially interested in the cases of where important operations where delayed because of cosmetic surgery. Either that or we'll assume it was just one of your ill informed repetitive rants. Up to you.[/p][/quote]Your not doing any leg work for me your be doing it for your self it is the responsibility of every person to find out for them selfs and start asking questiions. And it is that as gone on since the NHS was first started that private care will cue jump NHS care, there as been questions in the house of Commons about this a number of times, its down to you now to dig deeper[/p][/quote]You brought it up - now back it up. In fact don't bother - it'll just be the same old guff anyway.[/p][/quote]It do not matter who brings it up, its is down you to prove or disapprove to your self no one else, i don't need to back up any thing what takes place is common enough knowledge it do happen and do take place as there have been complains to MPs to bring the subject up in Government and it as come up a number of times in the house of commons. Now I have given you a few places where to look for the information, if you can't be bothered to find out for your self that is not down to me to do it for you.[/p][/quote]Ah, so you go through life just saying stuff without being able to back it up. You wonder why no-one can take you seriously. Shoong
  • Score: 5

4:11pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

Get the op done in europe ,send the nhs the bill .
Get the op done in europe ,send the nhs the bill . Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: 6

4:20pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Quote :- "NHS is safe in our hands" ...... Now who was it that said that in May 2010
You can confidently state that there were no delays in treatment prior to May 2010 ?
I think that you will find that little gem that you think you have found is not the topic .... or even the headline
When rumbled, try to change the subject. The tactics of of the playground.
No the subject stayed EXACTLY the same ...... I very simply asked who said it.
.
YOU obviously read far too much into it ........ I would suggest that was a schoolboy error on your part !!
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Quote :- "NHS is safe in our hands" ...... Now who was it that said that in May 2010[/p][/quote]You can confidently state that there were no delays in treatment prior to May 2010 ?[/p][/quote]I think that you will find that little gem that you think you have found is not the topic .... or even the headline[/p][/quote]When rumbled, try to change the subject. The tactics of of the playground.[/p][/quote]No the subject stayed EXACTLY the same ...... I very simply asked who said it. . YOU obviously read far too much into it ........ I would suggest that was a schoolboy error on your part !! Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -7

8:35pm Mon 3 Mar 14

After8UK says...

country bird wrote:
our "British" nhs is a disgrace.
I have to say this......we should not be allowing anymore foreigners/immigrant

s into our country.

I believe it is because of the volumes that have been allowed to enter and stay in our country, OUR nhs service is not working as it should.

Charity begins at home, always used to be, and thats what we should be trying to go back to.

The government is a nightmare and sick of this country and its ethics and politics.

CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME PEOPLE. give this lady her back operations and stop helping foreigners.
The NHS relies on foreign workers, Without them this lady would be waiting even longer.
[quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: our "British" nhs is a disgrace. I have to say this......we should not be allowing anymore foreigners/immigrant s into our country. I believe it is because of the volumes that have been allowed to enter and stay in our country, OUR nhs service is not working as it should. Charity begins at home, always used to be, and thats what we should be trying to go back to. The government is a nightmare and sick of this country and its ethics and politics. CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME PEOPLE. give this lady her back operations and stop helping foreigners.[/p][/quote]The NHS relies on foreign workers, Without them this lady would be waiting even longer. After8UK
  • Score: 4

8:38pm Mon 3 Mar 14

After8UK says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Quote :- "NHS is safe in our hands" ...... Now who was it that said that in May 2010
Well it isn't safe in labour run wales is it?

The Chief Medical Officer for England wrote last year to his Welsh counterpart to advise that Wales conducts an investigation into worryingly high mortality data, and horrendous diagnostic waiting time statistics. He was ignored and received no reply.

If you need an ECG to check out a suspected heart problem in England, a situation in which every day can count, you have less than a one-in-a-hundred chance of waiting over six weeks for your scan. If you are in Wales, there’s well over a one-in-three chance it will be more than six weeks before you get your potentially life-saving ECG.

In Wales labour cut the NHS budget by 800 million and refused to introduce the cancer drugs fund.

And you'll have to remind me, which party said spending more on the NHS was "irresponsible"?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Quote :- "NHS is safe in our hands" ...... Now who was it that said that in May 2010[/p][/quote]Well it isn't safe in labour run wales is it? The Chief Medical Officer for England wrote last year to his Welsh counterpart to advise that Wales conducts an investigation into worryingly high mortality data, and horrendous diagnostic waiting time statistics. He was ignored and received no reply. If you need an ECG to check out a suspected heart problem in England, a situation in which every day can count, you have less than a one-in-a-hundred chance of waiting over six weeks for your scan. If you are in Wales, there’s well over a one-in-three chance it will be more than six weeks before you get your potentially life-saving ECG. In Wales labour cut the NHS budget by 800 million and refused to introduce the cancer drugs fund. And you'll have to remind me, which party said spending more on the NHS was "irresponsible"? After8UK
  • Score: 5

9:59pm Mon 3 Mar 14

bucktoom says...

southy wrote:
townieboy wrote:
I wonder how long you would wait if you went private for this operation ???? I would think it would be a matter of days and performed by the same people.
Not long as private cue will jump NHS, you could be dieing and be book in for a life saving operation only to get push back by private just to do cosmetic surgery.
Money talks rightness walks
Complete poppycock!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: I wonder how long you would wait if you went private for this operation ???? I would think it would be a matter of days and performed by the same people.[/p][/quote]Not long as private cue will jump NHS, you could be dieing and be book in for a life saving operation only to get push back by private just to do cosmetic surgery. Money talks rightness walks[/p][/quote]Complete poppycock! bucktoom
  • Score: 3

6:31am Tue 4 Mar 14

skeptik says...

An elderly friend I visit often, chuckled when an ambulance transport turned up to pick up a neighbour for an appointment - she suggested that there would be several pickups daily from this one area alone. She has nothing but praise for the nurse who visits her and the doctors at the hospital. Maybe we like to read the moans and forget that millions are treated with a good outcome -but hey - we like to read doom and gloom and I suspect add to it with our own tales of woe. It is also apparent when reading or watching news items that some believe medicine cures all. 'They let me down my 87 year old relative died in hospital' I need answers! Thank you to all the lads and lasses who do their best within a demoralized NHS - when the government treat decent people working hard the way Hunt has - I would be demoralized too.
An elderly friend I visit often, chuckled when an ambulance transport turned up to pick up a neighbour for an appointment - she suggested that there would be several pickups daily from this one area alone. She has nothing but praise for the nurse who visits her and the doctors at the hospital. Maybe we like to read the moans and forget that millions are treated with a good outcome -but hey - we like to read doom and gloom and I suspect add to it with our own tales of woe. It is also apparent when reading or watching news items that some believe medicine cures all. 'They let me down my 87 year old relative died in hospital' I need answers! Thank you to all the lads and lasses who do their best within a demoralized NHS - when the government treat decent people working hard the way Hunt has - I would be demoralized too. skeptik
  • Score: 6

10:49am Tue 4 Mar 14

From the sidelines says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Quote :- "NHS is safe in our hands" ...... Now who was it that said that in May 2010
Was it said in response to the "Grim-Reaper of Mid-Staffs", on whose watch thousands died?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Quote :- "NHS is safe in our hands" ...... Now who was it that said that in May 2010[/p][/quote]Was it said in response to the "Grim-Reaper of Mid-Staffs", on whose watch thousands died? From the sidelines
  • Score: -2

11:44am Tue 4 Mar 14

Lone Ranger. says...

From the sidelines wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Quote :- "NHS is safe in our hands" ...... Now who was it that said that in May 2010
Was it said in response to the "Grim-Reaper of Mid-Staffs", on whose watch thousands died?
If you read some of the silly and the brainless quotes from above you may notice that many of them invented their own agenda ....... Just as you have!!
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Quote :- "NHS is safe in our hands" ...... Now who was it that said that in May 2010[/p][/quote]Was it said in response to the "Grim-Reaper of Mid-Staffs", on whose watch thousands died?[/p][/quote]If you read some of the silly and the brainless quotes from above you may notice that many of them invented their own agenda ....... Just as you have!! Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -1

9:11pm Tue 4 Mar 14

notableedingheart says...

country bird wrote:
our "British" nhs is a disgrace.
I have to say this......we should not be allowing anymore foreigners/immigrant

s into our country.

I believe it is because of the volumes that have been allowed to enter and stay in our country, OUR nhs service is not working as it should.

Charity begins at home, always used to be, and thats what we should be trying to go back to.

The government is a nightmare and sick of this country and its ethics and politics.

CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME PEOPLE. give this lady her back operations and stop helping foreigners.
Absolutely correct sentiments. The previous Labour Govt allowed over 5 million residential entrants into the UK without the commensurate expansion or improvement of infrastructure. The feel good pc nonsense that assumes the UK can save the world is the probable cause of this lady's distress.
Without assuming any political perspective, we need a Govt that will objectively filter new residential entrants and emphasise UK born "Brits". Do I see a large increase in support for the UKIP because of these same sentiments?
[quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: our "British" nhs is a disgrace. I have to say this......we should not be allowing anymore foreigners/immigrant s into our country. I believe it is because of the volumes that have been allowed to enter and stay in our country, OUR nhs service is not working as it should. Charity begins at home, always used to be, and thats what we should be trying to go back to. The government is a nightmare and sick of this country and its ethics and politics. CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME PEOPLE. give this lady her back operations and stop helping foreigners.[/p][/quote]Absolutely correct sentiments. The previous Labour Govt allowed over 5 million residential entrants into the UK without the commensurate expansion or improvement of infrastructure. The feel good pc nonsense that assumes the UK can save the world is the probable cause of this lady's distress. Without assuming any political perspective, we need a Govt that will objectively filter new residential entrants and emphasise UK born "Brits". Do I see a large increase in support for the UKIP because of these same sentiments? notableedingheart
  • Score: 1

12:24pm Sun 9 Mar 14

el caballo santos101 says...

well I am in the same boat, almost anyway. I have 2 dehydrated slipped discs and have done for 8 years. the disc is also pressing on the sciatic nerve, and it is absolute agony even though I am taking morphine twice a day along with other drugs that are aimed at blocking the nerves from sending the pain. it took a long time to get a diagnosis because I was lost in the nhs system. I have been to the spine clinic at south hants and have had 4 mri scans. two had the disc pushing on one my left sciatic nerve, one had the disc pushing on the right side and another wasn't pushing on either. I have been told that an operation will not clear all the pain, it might clear the back pain, though I wont be able to bend properly, but wont clear the sciatic pain because the nerve is now damaged and will always feel like its being pinched (in the same way that amputees still feel their legs).
I am on the top levels of DLA (there are different levels) and ESA, and have been for several years. i have been told by several health professionals that i am not likely to work again, i am only 41! i failed in my first claim for DLA only because the government sent medical forms to the wrong physio who filled in the forms with details about my father, he didn't check the name NI number properly, and i didn't fill the forms in properly, you need help to do this and there are lots of charities around who can help. i haven't had to have a medical for DLA and have been put on an indefinite award. esa has been my problem, having had 2 atos medicals in the last 2 years, since incapacity was changed to esa, both have me as unable to work but might be able to return in a year, even though my condition is described as degenerative, which means i have been put on a work programme with A4e. to their benefit A4e have been really good and realise my situation.
i would advise this lady to push hard for the opp and keep pushing, go to your gp and keep asking them to push for it, make a nuisance of yourself and keep doing it. the NHS is genuinely brilliant, despite what i have gone through, yes there are faults but people always focus on the negatives, how many stories are published about the life saving operations that go on everyday? or the wonderful work with children and their treatment, my nephew was born very premature and wouldn't be here 24yrs later if it wasn't for the great nurses and doctors.
well I am in the same boat, almost anyway. I have 2 dehydrated slipped discs and have done for 8 years. the disc is also pressing on the sciatic nerve, and it is absolute agony even though I am taking morphine twice a day along with other drugs that are aimed at blocking the nerves from sending the pain. it took a long time to get a diagnosis because I was lost in the nhs system. I have been to the spine clinic at south hants and have had 4 mri scans. two had the disc pushing on one my left sciatic nerve, one had the disc pushing on the right side and another wasn't pushing on either. I have been told that an operation will not clear all the pain, it might clear the back pain, though I wont be able to bend properly, but wont clear the sciatic pain because the nerve is now damaged and will always feel like its being pinched (in the same way that amputees still feel their legs). I am on the top levels of DLA (there are different levels) and ESA, and have been for several years. i have been told by several health professionals that i am not likely to work again, i am only 41! i failed in my first claim for DLA only because the government sent medical forms to the wrong physio who filled in the forms with details about my father, he didn't check the name NI number properly, and i didn't fill the forms in properly, you need help to do this and there are lots of charities around who can help. i haven't had to have a medical for DLA and have been put on an indefinite award. esa has been my problem, having had 2 atos medicals in the last 2 years, since incapacity was changed to esa, both have me as unable to work but might be able to return in a year, even though my condition is described as degenerative, which means i have been put on a work programme with A4e. to their benefit A4e have been really good and realise my situation. i would advise this lady to push hard for the opp and keep pushing, go to your gp and keep asking them to push for it, make a nuisance of yourself and keep doing it. the NHS is genuinely brilliant, despite what i have gone through, yes there are faults but people always focus on the negatives, how many stories are published about the life saving operations that go on everyday? or the wonderful work with children and their treatment, my nephew was born very premature and wouldn't be here 24yrs later if it wasn't for the great nurses and doctors. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 1

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