Sick tot forced to sleep on plastic chairs at Southampton General Hospital

Daily Echo: John and Marie Giles with son Callum John and Marie Giles with son Callum

THEY had gone into hospital expecting the best of care for their sick two-year-old son.

Parents John and Marie Giles were desperately worried for little Callum as his temperature rocketed and he was taken to hospital by ambulance.

But they weren’t expecting to see their little boy, who was hooked up to a drip, forced to sleep across two plastic chairs at the side of a ward for six hours - because there were no beds free.

The furious couple say they are making a complaint, describing their son’s treatment as “appalling”.

It was his second trip to Southampton General Hospital in a matter of days last week – having initially been rushed to the emergency department amid fears he might have meningitis.

On that occasion, doctors carried out tests and ruled the deadly disease out, instead diagnosing him with a viral infection.

But Callum was readmitted last Friday night, his temperature having risen, and his parents say he was diagnosed with a blood infection.

He was admitted and taken to the paediatric ward where he was given a bed and spent an hour before doctors told the couple they were moving Callum to the G1 assessment ward.

But on arrival on the ward at 4.30pm, Marie said nurses told them there were no beds available.

Despite constant attempts to get her son a bed, mother Marie, 29, of Burghclere Road, ended up creating a makeshift one herself with two chairs.

She said Callum found it hard to sleep as the chairs were uncomfortable and sticking to him as he was so hot.

Marie claims that even a consultant who inspected him did not comment on the situation.

When they asked why he could not lie on a camp bed, normally used by parents, they were refused over fears he might roll off because they don’t have sides like a hospital bed.

Callum was eventually given a bed at 10.30pm and was discharged the next afternoon. He has since been making a good recovery.

Daily Echo:

Security officer and father-of-seven John, 34, said: “It’s absolutely appalling. It’s not good enough, he’s two years old.

“It shouldn’t happen in 2014. He was very ill.”

Marie added: “I think it’s disgusting –it’s very poor care. We want an apology but also a change in the way they treat people as it’s just not good enough.”

Last night a hospital spokesman told the Daily Echo that they were not aware of any complaint by Mr and Mrs Giles but were sorry to hear they were unhappy with the care their son received.

He added: “However, we would be happy to discuss any aspect of Callum’s treatment with his parents directly and investigate any remaining concerns they have to ensure we offer them complete reassurance about our processes and procedures.”

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7:05am Tue 11 Mar 14

Zexagon says...

7 kids? He's got his hands full
7 kids? He's got his hands full Zexagon
  • Score: 8

7:23am Tue 11 Mar 14

ohpoppycock says...

Want a bed, food and room with a view? Then go private.
Some countries don't even have a health service close to matching ours, just be thankful the lad got seen and treated.
Want a bed, food and room with a view? Then go private. Some countries don't even have a health service close to matching ours, just be thankful the lad got seen and treated. ohpoppycock
  • Score: 38

7:39am Tue 11 Mar 14

Caroline67 says...

ohpoppycock wrote:
Want a bed, food and room with a view? Then go private.
Some countries don't even have a health service close to matching ours, just be thankful the lad got seen and treated.
No we all no that however a very sick little boy made to sleep on 2 plastic chairs is really bad, l wonder if you would be saying that if it was you kid
[quote][p][bold]ohpoppycock[/bold] wrote: Want a bed, food and room with a view? Then go private. Some countries don't even have a health service close to matching ours, just be thankful the lad got seen and treated.[/p][/quote]No we all no that however a very sick little boy made to sleep on 2 plastic chairs is really bad, l wonder if you would be saying that if it was you kid Caroline67
  • Score: -10

7:40am Tue 11 Mar 14

roofspace says...

The parents put him in a bed of 2 plastic chairs not the hospital. No doubt if they were given a camp bed they would now be complaining about that AND seeking compensation from the hospital because he fell off it.
The parents put him in a bed of 2 plastic chairs not the hospital. No doubt if they were given a camp bed they would now be complaining about that AND seeking compensation from the hospital because he fell off it. roofspace
  • Score: 48

7:52am Tue 11 Mar 14

sam1988 says...

How ridiculous your comments are! We pay our taxes that are supposed to go towards NHS costs and this 2year old little boy should've been made comfortable whilst he was being treated not just thrown to the side, maybe you should think if it was a relative of yours would you be saying different?? I think so...
How ridiculous your comments are! We pay our taxes that are supposed to go towards NHS costs and this 2year old little boy should've been made comfortable whilst he was being treated not just thrown to the side, maybe you should think if it was a relative of yours would you be saying different?? I think so... sam1988
  • Score: 9

8:03am Tue 11 Mar 14

Caroline67 says...

sam1988 wrote:
How ridiculous your comments are! We pay our taxes that are supposed to go towards NHS costs and this 2year old little boy should've been made comfortable whilst he was being treated not just thrown to the side, maybe you should think if it was a relative of yours would you be saying different?? I think so...
Very well said
[quote][p][bold]sam1988[/bold] wrote: How ridiculous your comments are! We pay our taxes that are supposed to go towards NHS costs and this 2year old little boy should've been made comfortable whilst he was being treated not just thrown to the side, maybe you should think if it was a relative of yours would you be saying different?? I think so...[/p][/quote]Very well said Caroline67
  • Score: -3

8:23am Tue 11 Mar 14

Raxx says...

sam1988 wrote:
How ridiculous your comments are! We pay our taxes that are supposed to go towards NHS costs and this 2year old little boy should've been made comfortable whilst he was being treated not just thrown to the side, maybe you should think if it was a relative of yours would you be saying different?? I think so...
Whilst it sounds a poor situation, the "we pay our taxes" line doesn't ereally wash. People have little idea just how expensive hospital care is. The tax contributions of an average earner are swallowed up very quickly by a period of serious bad health or injury. Treatment of those who need it is effectively subsidised by those that don't.

Nb: And long may it remain that way.
[quote][p][bold]sam1988[/bold] wrote: How ridiculous your comments are! We pay our taxes that are supposed to go towards NHS costs and this 2year old little boy should've been made comfortable whilst he was being treated not just thrown to the side, maybe you should think if it was a relative of yours would you be saying different?? I think so...[/p][/quote]Whilst it sounds a poor situation, the "we pay our taxes" line doesn't ereally wash. People have little idea just how expensive hospital care is. The tax contributions of an average earner are swallowed up very quickly by a period of serious bad health or injury. Treatment of those who need it is effectively subsidised by those that don't. Nb: And long may it remain that way. Raxx
  • Score: 18

8:23am Tue 11 Mar 14

kyrrie says...

If they had no beds because they were so busy and obviously over crowded then you can hardly blame the hospital it's not their fault. You should be thankful that they saw and treated your son as they could have shut the doors to the ward saying it was full and you would have had to have found another hospital. Our doctors and nurses do an excellent job, but I notice you don't thank them for making your son better just complained that there was no bed, at 2 years old and poorly I'm sure he would have preferred a parents lap with cuddles anyway.
If they had no beds because they were so busy and obviously over crowded then you can hardly blame the hospital it's not their fault. You should be thankful that they saw and treated your son as they could have shut the doors to the ward saying it was full and you would have had to have found another hospital. Our doctors and nurses do an excellent job, but I notice you don't thank them for making your son better just complained that there was no bed, at 2 years old and poorly I'm sure he would have preferred a parents lap with cuddles anyway. kyrrie
  • Score: 90

8:32am Tue 11 Mar 14

elvisimo says...

sam1988 wrote:
How ridiculous your comments are! We pay our taxes that are supposed to go towards NHS costs and this 2year old little boy should've been made comfortable whilst he was being treated not just thrown to the side, maybe you should think if it was a relative of yours would you be saying different?? I think so...
who was thrown anywhere? - They didn't have a bed the mum decided to make one. Everyone knows how stretched the NHS is. They didn't have a bed so the had to find him one. Same story of you go into A&E - you can be sat there for hours.
Not an ideal situation but hardly end of the world.
[quote][p][bold]sam1988[/bold] wrote: How ridiculous your comments are! We pay our taxes that are supposed to go towards NHS costs and this 2year old little boy should've been made comfortable whilst he was being treated not just thrown to the side, maybe you should think if it was a relative of yours would you be saying different?? I think so...[/p][/quote]who was thrown anywhere? - They didn't have a bed the mum decided to make one. Everyone knows how stretched the NHS is. They didn't have a bed so the had to find him one. Same story of you go into A&E - you can be sat there for hours. Not an ideal situation but hardly end of the world. elvisimo
  • Score: 35

8:32am Tue 11 Mar 14

Zexagon says...

Caroline67 wrote:
ohpoppycock wrote:
Want a bed, food and room with a view? Then go private.
Some countries don't even have a health service close to matching ours, just be thankful the lad got seen and treated.
No we all no that however a very sick little boy made to sleep on 2 plastic chairs is really bad, l wonder if you would be saying that if it was you kid
If it was my boy I wouldn't run to the echo first thing that's for sure
[quote][p][bold]Caroline67[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohpoppycock[/bold] wrote: Want a bed, food and room with a view? Then go private. Some countries don't even have a health service close to matching ours, just be thankful the lad got seen and treated.[/p][/quote]No we all no that however a very sick little boy made to sleep on 2 plastic chairs is really bad, l wonder if you would be saying that if it was you kid[/p][/quote]If it was my boy I wouldn't run to the echo first thing that's for sure Zexagon
  • Score: 50

8:35am Tue 11 Mar 14

bigfella777 says...

A sad situation but if there are no beds left what can they do? They cant throw people out. His situation would have been assessed and prioritised accordingly.
On most occasions one bed will always be kept free in case a child comes in with leukemia or something else as serious, would the parents deny another child who is dying that right?
The right approach would be to get an out of hours GP to visit at home and if he decided hospital care was needed it would all be put in place.
A sad situation but if there are no beds left what can they do? They cant throw people out. His situation would have been assessed and prioritised accordingly. On most occasions one bed will always be kept free in case a child comes in with leukemia or something else as serious, would the parents deny another child who is dying that right? The right approach would be to get an out of hours GP to visit at home and if he decided hospital care was needed it would all be put in place. bigfella777
  • Score: 51

8:58am Tue 11 Mar 14

Harold K Steptoe says...

Same in every hospital, just be thankful we give £11 Billion away every year. About time we started looking after our own first. We should only give money away once we have our own house in order.
Same in every hospital, just be thankful we give £11 Billion away every year. About time we started looking after our own first. We should only give money away once we have our own house in order. Harold K Steptoe
  • Score: 7

9:21am Tue 11 Mar 14

bigfella777 says...

Harold K Steptoe wrote:
Same in every hospital, just be thankful we give £11 Billion away every year. About time we started looking after our own first. We should only give money away once we have our own house in order.
Last year the government tried to introduce a new NHS patient record IT system but then it was abandoned after 10 billion had been wasted on it, but you can rest assured a lot of that money, OUR MONEY ended up in private pockets, now that is what you call a waste of cash that could have been spent on nurses.
It's the governments fault, they are inept, they should let the NHS manage itself and stop poking their beak in.
[quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: Same in every hospital, just be thankful we give £11 Billion away every year. About time we started looking after our own first. We should only give money away once we have our own house in order.[/p][/quote]Last year the government tried to introduce a new NHS patient record IT system but then it was abandoned after 10 billion had been wasted on it, but you can rest assured a lot of that money, OUR MONEY ended up in private pockets, now that is what you call a waste of cash that could have been spent on nurses. It's the governments fault, they are inept, they should let the NHS manage itself and stop poking their beak in. bigfella777
  • Score: 19

9:24am Tue 11 Mar 14

KSO16R says...

Harold K Steptoe wrote:
Same in every hospital, just be thankful we give £11 Billion away every year. About time we started looking after our own first. We should only give money away once we have our own house in order.
Yawn!
[quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: Same in every hospital, just be thankful we give £11 Billion away every year. About time we started looking after our own first. We should only give money away once we have our own house in order.[/p][/quote]Yawn! KSO16R
  • Score: 7

9:36am Tue 11 Mar 14

skeptik says...

Peaks and troughs - empty beds at times and lack of beds at others, we no doubt will have those moaning about cost of empty beds and others that we do not spend enough and have too few beds.
Peaks and troughs - empty beds at times and lack of beds at others, we no doubt will have those moaning about cost of empty beds and others that we do not spend enough and have too few beds. skeptik
  • Score: 7

9:49am Tue 11 Mar 14

Walter K says...

Another "bash the NHS" story.
When certain services are at capacity, a level of understanding should be applied in addition to gratitude for care.
I have a sneaky feeling that this family, as with many of the biggest complainers, take more out of the system than they actually contribute.
Another "bash the NHS" story. When certain services are at capacity, a level of understanding should be applied in addition to gratitude for care. I have a sneaky feeling that this family, as with many of the biggest complainers, take more out of the system than they actually contribute. Walter K
  • Score: 39

10:37am Tue 11 Mar 14

mumonamission says...

The childrens wards are never quiet. There is far too much demand for beds that just cannot be met. There is always a patient waiting on a bed that cannot come in for procedure/treatment due to other children being poorly.

You cannot blame the staff for there being no beds. Children get sick and they are seen and treated in order of priority. Ive been on the end of a long wait whilst doctors and nurses have teated patients much sicker than my own child but I dont complain.

Give the nursing staff a break. They are working above and beyond to care for your child and put up with unnecessary flack when they should be getting praise and recognition fornwhat they do.

Id much rather my child sleep in a buggy/on my lap/on chairs if it meant a very sick child was being cared for in the best way.

At least they were only in overnight. Think of those that have been in for weeks/months with sick children.
The childrens wards are never quiet. There is far too much demand for beds that just cannot be met. There is always a patient waiting on a bed that cannot come in for procedure/treatment due to other children being poorly. You cannot blame the staff for there being no beds. Children get sick and they are seen and treated in order of priority. Ive been on the end of a long wait whilst doctors and nurses have teated patients much sicker than my own child but I dont complain. Give the nursing staff a break. They are working above and beyond to care for your child and put up with unnecessary flack when they should be getting praise and recognition fornwhat they do. Id much rather my child sleep in a buggy/on my lap/on chairs if it meant a very sick child was being cared for in the best way. At least they were only in overnight. Think of those that have been in for weeks/months with sick children. mumonamission
  • Score: 48

11:21am Tue 11 Mar 14

Mugsey2 says...

Forced? Forced? Force means like get on them chairs you little brat or ill push you back down on em.
My ex missus forced me to sell my house that was force I had no choice, cow.
Forced? Forced? Force means like get on them chairs you little brat or ill push you back down on em. My ex missus forced me to sell my house that was force I had no choice, cow. Mugsey2
  • Score: 1

11:37am Tue 11 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

sam1988 wrote:
How ridiculous your comments are! We pay our taxes that are supposed to go towards NHS costs and this 2year old little boy should've been made comfortable whilst he was being treated not just thrown to the side, maybe you should think if it was a relative of yours would you be saying different?? I think so...
And think if a relative of YOURS was in hospital, but asked to vacate their bed so that this poor boy could have it? It's all well and good bleating about "our taxes" and how things SHOULD be, but things AREN'T that way at the moment. Unfortunate, but as indicated by others, just the way it is.
[quote][p][bold]sam1988[/bold] wrote: How ridiculous your comments are! We pay our taxes that are supposed to go towards NHS costs and this 2year old little boy should've been made comfortable whilst he was being treated not just thrown to the side, maybe you should think if it was a relative of yours would you be saying different?? I think so...[/p][/quote]And think if a relative of YOURS was in hospital, but asked to vacate their bed so that this poor boy could have it? It's all well and good bleating about "our taxes" and how things SHOULD be, but things AREN'T that way at the moment. Unfortunate, but as indicated by others, just the way it is. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 11

12:39pm Tue 11 Mar 14

S!monOn says...

Walter K wrote:
Another "bash the NHS" story.
When certain services are at capacity, a level of understanding should be applied in addition to gratitude for care.
I have a sneaky feeling that this family, as with many of the biggest complainers, take more out of the system than they actually contribute.
They'll be wanting a bigger house for the 7 kids soon....
[quote][p][bold]Walter K[/bold] wrote: Another "bash the NHS" story. When certain services are at capacity, a level of understanding should be applied in addition to gratitude for care. I have a sneaky feeling that this family, as with many of the biggest complainers, take more out of the system than they actually contribute.[/p][/quote]They'll be wanting a bigger house for the 7 kids soon.... S!monOn
  • Score: 19

12:50pm Tue 11 Mar 14

stay local says...

Should the hospital should have turned away this young lad and told his parents to attend Poole general hospital instead???
I think they should be thanking the staff, for going the extra mile when they were clearly being overworked.
Should the hospital should have turned away this young lad and told his parents to attend Poole general hospital instead??? I think they should be thanking the staff, for going the extra mile when they were clearly being overworked. stay local
  • Score: 25

1:03pm Tue 11 Mar 14

theoriginalwasp says...

Harold K Steptoe wrote:
Same in every hospital, just be thankful we give £11 Billion away every year. About time we started looking after our own first. We should only give money away once we have our own house in order.
Ah you must be one of those UKIP people.
[quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: Same in every hospital, just be thankful we give £11 Billion away every year. About time we started looking after our own first. We should only give money away once we have our own house in order.[/p][/quote]Ah you must be one of those UKIP people. theoriginalwasp
  • Score: -3

1:05pm Tue 11 Mar 14

ohpoppycock says...

Caroline67 wrote:
ohpoppycock wrote:
Want a bed, food and room with a view? Then go private.
Some countries don't even have a health service close to matching ours, just be thankful the lad got seen and treated.
No we all no that however a very sick little boy made to sleep on 2 plastic chairs is really bad, l wonder if you would be saying that if it was you kid
If it were my child(of which I have none) then I would be thankful my child got seen by a member of the medical profession. Where myself, partner or child had to be seated/lay/sleep doesn't matter.
All the nurses and doctors are working medical wonders day and night and all these two on this story can moan about is a lack of a bed. This just wastes the NHS' time with more paperwork.
If it were me, I would be so very thankful and likely treat the doctors and nurses to a huge tin of lovely biscuits for their breaktime as a small token of my appreciation for taking time to care about my child. Which would be the least I would do for them.
[quote][p][bold]Caroline67[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ohpoppycock[/bold] wrote: Want a bed, food and room with a view? Then go private. Some countries don't even have a health service close to matching ours, just be thankful the lad got seen and treated.[/p][/quote]No we all no that however a very sick little boy made to sleep on 2 plastic chairs is really bad, l wonder if you would be saying that if it was you kid[/p][/quote]If it were my child(of which I have none) then I would be thankful my child got seen by a member of the medical profession. Where myself, partner or child had to be seated/lay/sleep doesn't matter. All the nurses and doctors are working medical wonders day and night and all these two on this story can moan about is a lack of a bed. This just wastes the NHS' time with more paperwork. If it were me, I would be so very thankful and likely treat the doctors and nurses to a huge tin of lovely biscuits for their breaktime as a small token of my appreciation for taking time to care about my child. Which would be the least I would do for them. ohpoppycock
  • Score: 20

1:06pm Tue 11 Mar 14

theoriginalwasp says...

mumonamission wrote:
The childrens wards are never quiet. There is far too much demand for beds that just cannot be met. There is always a patient waiting on a bed that cannot come in for procedure/treatment due to other children being poorly.

You cannot blame the staff for there being no beds. Children get sick and they are seen and treated in order of priority. Ive been on the end of a long wait whilst doctors and nurses have teated patients much sicker than my own child but I dont complain.

Give the nursing staff a break. They are working above and beyond to care for your child and put up with unnecessary flack when they should be getting praise and recognition fornwhat they do.

Id much rather my child sleep in a buggy/on my lap/on chairs if it meant a very sick child was being cared for in the best way.

At least they were only in overnight. Think of those that have been in for weeks/months with sick children.
Children's wards are not quiet... Certainly not when you have a father of seven!
[quote][p][bold]mumonamission[/bold] wrote: The childrens wards are never quiet. There is far too much demand for beds that just cannot be met. There is always a patient waiting on a bed that cannot come in for procedure/treatment due to other children being poorly. You cannot blame the staff for there being no beds. Children get sick and they are seen and treated in order of priority. Ive been on the end of a long wait whilst doctors and nurses have teated patients much sicker than my own child but I dont complain. Give the nursing staff a break. They are working above and beyond to care for your child and put up with unnecessary flack when they should be getting praise and recognition fornwhat they do. Id much rather my child sleep in a buggy/on my lap/on chairs if it meant a very sick child was being cared for in the best way. At least they were only in overnight. Think of those that have been in for weeks/months with sick children.[/p][/quote]Children's wards are not quiet... Certainly not when you have a father of seven! theoriginalwasp
  • Score: 10

1:42pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Harold K Steptoe says...

theoriginalwasp wrote:
Harold K Steptoe wrote:
Same in every hospital, just be thankful we give £11 Billion away every year. About time we started looking after our own first. We should only give money away once we have our own house in order.
Ah you must be one of those UKIP people.
Nope, just one of those people who hates to see nursing homes shut, cancer patients being refused medicines, Naomi house having to beg for cash etc etc etc etc. You sound like one of those yoghurt knitting tree huggers
[quote][p][bold]theoriginalwasp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: Same in every hospital, just be thankful we give £11 Billion away every year. About time we started looking after our own first. We should only give money away once we have our own house in order.[/p][/quote]Ah you must be one of those UKIP people.[/p][/quote]Nope, just one of those people who hates to see nursing homes shut, cancer patients being refused medicines, Naomi house having to beg for cash etc etc etc etc. You sound like one of those yoghurt knitting tree huggers Harold K Steptoe
  • Score: 2

1:48pm Tue 11 Mar 14

whatwentwrongworld says...

They could have thrown someone out of bed who didn't need it, or who was in there for their own fault ie drug addiction, obesity, alcoholism.. poor little boy. All you people defending the shoddy NHS would be speaking different if it were your child!
They could have thrown someone out of bed who didn't need it, or who was in there for their own fault ie drug addiction, obesity, alcoholism.. poor little boy. All you people defending the shoddy NHS would be speaking different if it were your child! whatwentwrongworld
  • Score: -20

1:54pm Tue 11 Mar 14

kiddynamite says...

i bet a few quid in compo will silence their anger!
i bet a few quid in compo will silence their anger! kiddynamite
  • Score: 11

1:55pm Tue 11 Mar 14

sam1988 says...

Walter K wrote:
Another "bash the NHS" story.
When certain services are at capacity, a level of understanding should be applied in addition to gratitude for care.
I have a sneaky feeling that this family, as with many of the biggest complainers, take more out of the system than they actually contribute.
This family is far from making an unjustified complaint and how would you know they take more out of the system than they contribute, it states the father works and if they choose to have a big family that is surely up to them as he provides for his children!
[quote][p][bold]Walter K[/bold] wrote: Another "bash the NHS" story. When certain services are at capacity, a level of understanding should be applied in addition to gratitude for care. I have a sneaky feeling that this family, as with many of the biggest complainers, take more out of the system than they actually contribute.[/p][/quote]This family is far from making an unjustified complaint and how would you know they take more out of the system than they contribute, it states the father works and if they choose to have a big family that is surely up to them as he provides for his children! sam1988
  • Score: -15

1:57pm Tue 11 Mar 14

kiddynamite says...

No all us people supporting the NHS contribute towards it with NI payments from our wages, So the likes of dole dossers can get medical assistance for FREE and then still moan about it afterwards.
No all us people supporting the NHS contribute towards it with NI payments from our wages, So the likes of dole dossers can get medical assistance for FREE and then still moan about it afterwards. kiddynamite
  • Score: 2

2:11pm Tue 11 Mar 14

sam1988 says...

kiddynamite wrote:
No all us people supporting the NHS contribute towards it with NI payments from our wages, So the likes of dole dossers can get medical assistance for FREE and then still moan about it afterwards.
This couple are not 'dole dossers' and every child should be entitled to care on the NHS and that also means making them comfortable, this 2 year old boy had a blood infection!! Not a cold!! The NHS are severely over stretched that is a well known fact but this little boy should have been allowed the camp beds that parents usually use so he was comfortable.
[quote][p][bold]kiddynamite[/bold] wrote: No all us people supporting the NHS contribute towards it with NI payments from our wages, So the likes of dole dossers can get medical assistance for FREE and then still moan about it afterwards.[/p][/quote]This couple are not 'dole dossers' and every child should be entitled to care on the NHS and that also means making them comfortable, this 2 year old boy had a blood infection!! Not a cold!! The NHS are severely over stretched that is a well known fact but this little boy should have been allowed the camp beds that parents usually use so he was comfortable. sam1988
  • Score: -14

2:19pm Tue 11 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

Harold K Steptoe wrote:
theoriginalwasp wrote:
Harold K Steptoe wrote:
Same in every hospital, just be thankful we give £11 Billion away every year. About time we started looking after our own first. We should only give money away once we have our own house in order.
Ah you must be one of those UKIP people.
Nope, just one of those people who hates to see nursing homes shut, cancer patients being refused medicines, Naomi house having to beg for cash etc etc etc etc. You sound like one of those yoghurt knitting tree huggers
Nursing homes are a luxury that other parts of the world don't have at all, cancer patients don't even get as far as being seen by a doctor in other parts of the world, there are dying children all over the world. In this country we can be pretty sure we're not going to die because we drank the water. Most of us know where our next meal is coming from. The biggest problem most of us face on a daily basis is that there's nothing to watch on TV.

You're quite happy, I presume, to wear clothes that were made for a pittance by an eight year old in a third world country, but when it comes to giving a little back, it's another matter, right?
[quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theoriginalwasp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: Same in every hospital, just be thankful we give £11 Billion away every year. About time we started looking after our own first. We should only give money away once we have our own house in order.[/p][/quote]Ah you must be one of those UKIP people.[/p][/quote]Nope, just one of those people who hates to see nursing homes shut, cancer patients being refused medicines, Naomi house having to beg for cash etc etc etc etc. You sound like one of those yoghurt knitting tree huggers[/p][/quote]Nursing homes are a luxury that other parts of the world don't have at all, cancer patients don't even get as far as being seen by a doctor in other parts of the world, there are dying children all over the world. In this country we can be pretty sure we're not going to die because we drank the water. Most of us know where our next meal is coming from. The biggest problem most of us face on a daily basis is that there's nothing to watch on TV. You're quite happy, I presume, to wear clothes that were made for a pittance by an eight year old in a third world country, but when it comes to giving a little back, it's another matter, right? gilbertratchet
  • Score: 3

2:24pm Tue 11 Mar 14

elvisimo says...

S!monOn wrote:
Walter K wrote:
Another "bash the NHS" story.
When certain services are at capacity, a level of understanding should be applied in addition to gratitude for care.
I have a sneaky feeling that this family, as with many of the biggest complainers, take more out of the system than they actually contribute.
They'll be wanting a bigger house for the 7 kids soon....
looks like they will need a bigger house for the parents. the kids must be worried they are going to get squashed - or eaten...
[quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter K[/bold] wrote: Another "bash the NHS" story. When certain services are at capacity, a level of understanding should be applied in addition to gratitude for care. I have a sneaky feeling that this family, as with many of the biggest complainers, take more out of the system than they actually contribute.[/p][/quote]They'll be wanting a bigger house for the 7 kids soon....[/p][/quote]looks like they will need a bigger house for the parents. the kids must be worried they are going to get squashed - or eaten... elvisimo
  • Score: 14

2:26pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Harold K Steptoe says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
Harold K Steptoe wrote:
theoriginalwasp wrote:
Harold K Steptoe wrote:
Same in every hospital, just be thankful we give £11 Billion away every year. About time we started looking after our own first. We should only give money away once we have our own house in order.
Ah you must be one of those UKIP people.
Nope, just one of those people who hates to see nursing homes shut, cancer patients being refused medicines, Naomi house having to beg for cash etc etc etc etc. You sound like one of those yoghurt knitting tree huggers
Nursing homes are a luxury that other parts of the world don't have at all, cancer patients don't even get as far as being seen by a doctor in other parts of the world, there are dying children all over the world. In this country we can be pretty sure we're not going to die because we drank the water. Most of us know where our next meal is coming from. The biggest problem most of us face on a daily basis is that there's nothing to watch on TV.

You're quite happy, I presume, to wear clothes that were made for a pittance by an eight year old in a third world country, but when it comes to giving a little back, it's another matter, right?
Wrong, I walk around stark b@llock naked, and enjoy giving money to India for their space programme.......
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theoriginalwasp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: Same in every hospital, just be thankful we give £11 Billion away every year. About time we started looking after our own first. We should only give money away once we have our own house in order.[/p][/quote]Ah you must be one of those UKIP people.[/p][/quote]Nope, just one of those people who hates to see nursing homes shut, cancer patients being refused medicines, Naomi house having to beg for cash etc etc etc etc. You sound like one of those yoghurt knitting tree huggers[/p][/quote]Nursing homes are a luxury that other parts of the world don't have at all, cancer patients don't even get as far as being seen by a doctor in other parts of the world, there are dying children all over the world. In this country we can be pretty sure we're not going to die because we drank the water. Most of us know where our next meal is coming from. The biggest problem most of us face on a daily basis is that there's nothing to watch on TV. You're quite happy, I presume, to wear clothes that were made for a pittance by an eight year old in a third world country, but when it comes to giving a little back, it's another matter, right?[/p][/quote]Wrong, I walk around stark b@llock naked, and enjoy giving money to India for their space programme....... Harold K Steptoe
  • Score: 4

2:34pm Tue 11 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

kiddynamite wrote:
No all us people supporting the NHS contribute towards it with NI payments from our wages, So the likes of dole dossers can get medical assistance for FREE and then still moan about it afterwards.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the amount of money you pay in to the kitty is a pittance compared to the amount you take out. Let's not get too involved in who deserves what, eh.
[quote][p][bold]kiddynamite[/bold] wrote: No all us people supporting the NHS contribute towards it with NI payments from our wages, So the likes of dole dossers can get medical assistance for FREE and then still moan about it afterwards.[/p][/quote]I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the amount of money you pay in to the kitty is a pittance compared to the amount you take out. Let's not get too involved in who deserves what, eh. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 5

2:58pm Tue 11 Mar 14

theoriginalwasp says...

Harold K Steptoe wrote:
theoriginalwasp wrote:
Harold K Steptoe wrote:
Same in every hospital, just be thankful we give £11 Billion away every year. About time we started looking after our own first. We should only give money away once we have our own house in order.
Ah you must be one of those UKIP people.
Nope, just one of those people who hates to see nursing homes shut, cancer patients being refused medicines, Naomi house having to beg for cash etc etc etc etc. You sound like one of those yoghurt knitting tree huggers
Yoghurt knitting - how does one knit yoghurt? And trees... Weird.

So given that you hate seeing nursing homes close and cancer patients being refused medicine; what are you doing to change this?
[quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theoriginalwasp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: Same in every hospital, just be thankful we give £11 Billion away every year. About time we started looking after our own first. We should only give money away once we have our own house in order.[/p][/quote]Ah you must be one of those UKIP people.[/p][/quote]Nope, just one of those people who hates to see nursing homes shut, cancer patients being refused medicines, Naomi house having to beg for cash etc etc etc etc. You sound like one of those yoghurt knitting tree huggers[/p][/quote]Yoghurt knitting - how does one knit yoghurt? And trees... Weird. So given that you hate seeing nursing homes close and cancer patients being refused medicine; what are you doing to change this? theoriginalwasp
  • Score: 1

3:02pm Tue 11 Mar 14

theoriginalwasp says...

sam1988 wrote:
Walter K wrote:
Another "bash the NHS" story.
When certain services are at capacity, a level of understanding should be applied in addition to gratitude for care.
I have a sneaky feeling that this family, as with many of the biggest complainers, take more out of the system than they actually contribute.
This family is far from making an unjustified complaint and how would you know they take more out of the system than they contribute, it states the father works and if they choose to have a big family that is surely up to them as he provides for his children!
How do you know he provides for his other children? Are you in-fact one of his children?

I cant afford a single child, let alone seven of the little buggers!
[quote][p][bold]sam1988[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter K[/bold] wrote: Another "bash the NHS" story. When certain services are at capacity, a level of understanding should be applied in addition to gratitude for care. I have a sneaky feeling that this family, as with many of the biggest complainers, take more out of the system than they actually contribute.[/p][/quote]This family is far from making an unjustified complaint and how would you know they take more out of the system than they contribute, it states the father works and if they choose to have a big family that is surely up to them as he provides for his children![/p][/quote]How do you know he provides for his other children? Are you in-fact one of his children? I cant afford a single child, let alone seven of the little buggers! theoriginalwasp
  • Score: 4

3:08pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Zexagon says...

whatwentwrongworld wrote:
They could have thrown someone out of bed who didn't need it, or who was in there for their own fault ie drug addiction, obesity, alcoholism.. poor little boy. All you people defending the shoddy NHS would be speaking different if it were your child!
How bout someone who broke their leg playing football? Is that self inflicted too?
[quote][p][bold]whatwentwrongworld[/bold] wrote: They could have thrown someone out of bed who didn't need it, or who was in there for their own fault ie drug addiction, obesity, alcoholism.. poor little boy. All you people defending the shoddy NHS would be speaking different if it were your child![/p][/quote]How bout someone who broke their leg playing football? Is that self inflicted too? Zexagon
  • Score: 4

3:37pm Tue 11 Mar 14

itsnotjustice says...

when i started to read this i was thinking he had been literally left over night for six hours to sleep...

do these parents think they are the only ones who deserve a bed?????

he got a bed at 1030, so for six hours he had to sit on a chair.

if a hosipitals got no beds thats because theyre are other sick people who are just as needy for one as the kid was...
when i started to read this i was thinking he had been literally left over night for six hours to sleep... do these parents think they are the only ones who deserve a bed????? he got a bed at 1030, so for six hours he had to sit on a chair. if a hosipitals got no beds thats because theyre are other sick people who are just as needy for one as the kid was... itsnotjustice
  • Score: 10

3:40pm Tue 11 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

Zexagon wrote:
whatwentwrongworld wrote:
They could have thrown someone out of bed who didn't need it, or who was in there for their own fault ie drug addiction, obesity, alcoholism.. poor little boy. All you people defending the shoddy NHS would be speaking different if it were your child!
How bout someone who broke their leg playing football? Is that self inflicted too?
Exactly. We don't really want to go down the route of not treating "self-inflicted" conditions, because a good number of them are, if you look hard enough.
[quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatwentwrongworld[/bold] wrote: They could have thrown someone out of bed who didn't need it, or who was in there for their own fault ie drug addiction, obesity, alcoholism.. poor little boy. All you people defending the shoddy NHS would be speaking different if it were your child![/p][/quote]How bout someone who broke their leg playing football? Is that self inflicted too?[/p][/quote]Exactly. We don't really want to go down the route of not treating "self-inflicted" conditions, because a good number of them are, if you look hard enough. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 4

3:40pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Caroline67 says...

What really amazes me is how people make judgmental comments about the family,when they don't even no anything about them, yes they have 7 kids so what everyone no's that are hospitals are really stretched and most off our nurses and doctors do a great job, l say most cause from personal experience last year l was in hospital and found some of the nurses to be not very people friendly, l think the point in this story is how no one even said sorry to the mother and father, from my understanding they are not looking for compensation, or a bigger house they just want to be heard
What really amazes me is how people make judgmental comments about the family,when they don't even no anything about them, yes they have 7 kids so what everyone no's that are hospitals are really stretched and most off our nurses and doctors do a great job, l say most cause from personal experience last year l was in hospital and found some of the nurses to be not very people friendly, l think the point in this story is how no one even said sorry to the mother and father, from my understanding they are not looking for compensation, or a bigger house they just want to be heard Caroline67
  • Score: -6

3:41pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Harold K Steptoe says...

theoriginalwasp wrote:
Harold K Steptoe wrote:
theoriginalwasp wrote:
Harold K Steptoe wrote:
Same in every hospital, just be thankful we give £11 Billion away every year. About time we started looking after our own first. We should only give money away once we have our own house in order.
Ah you must be one of those UKIP people.
Nope, just one of those people who hates to see nursing homes shut, cancer patients being refused medicines, Naomi house having to beg for cash etc etc etc etc. You sound like one of those yoghurt knitting tree huggers
Yoghurt knitting - how does one knit yoghurt? And trees... Weird.

So given that you hate seeing nursing homes close and cancer patients being refused medicine; what are you doing to change this?
I'll have to give even more money to charities that have to beg. If that's ok with you that is.
[quote][p][bold]theoriginalwasp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theoriginalwasp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: Same in every hospital, just be thankful we give £11 Billion away every year. About time we started looking after our own first. We should only give money away once we have our own house in order.[/p][/quote]Ah you must be one of those UKIP people.[/p][/quote]Nope, just one of those people who hates to see nursing homes shut, cancer patients being refused medicines, Naomi house having to beg for cash etc etc etc etc. You sound like one of those yoghurt knitting tree huggers[/p][/quote]Yoghurt knitting - how does one knit yoghurt? And trees... Weird. So given that you hate seeing nursing homes close and cancer patients being refused medicine; what are you doing to change this?[/p][/quote]I'll have to give even more money to charities that have to beg. If that's ok with you that is. Harold K Steptoe
  • Score: 0

4:25pm Tue 11 Mar 14

lovely_luce says...

Personally I think that the parents should be happy that there two year old was seen, without having a hefty bill to pick up afterwards. We are a lucky country to have a free health service, that I feel we should be proud of and gratefull of to have. Yes it is sad that a two year old boy had to wait some hours before he was given a bed, but this is the same sceniro for the elderly and the young on a daily basis. Our poor hospital staff are over worked and having been in hospital myself recently I saw first hand how hard they are worked, and how under staffed they are. The lack of beds is nothing to do with the hospital staff, its the government. beds are used on emergency basis, and I would be happy to let someone whos life is in more danger than my own or a relatives take it first. Sometimes in life you have to do the good thing and help others out before yourselves!
Personally I think that the parents should be happy that there two year old was seen, without having a hefty bill to pick up afterwards. We are a lucky country to have a free health service, that I feel we should be proud of and gratefull of to have. Yes it is sad that a two year old boy had to wait some hours before he was given a bed, but this is the same sceniro for the elderly and the young on a daily basis. Our poor hospital staff are over worked and having been in hospital myself recently I saw first hand how hard they are worked, and how under staffed they are. The lack of beds is nothing to do with the hospital staff, its the government. beds are used on emergency basis, and I would be happy to let someone whos life is in more danger than my own or a relatives take it first. Sometimes in life you have to do the good thing and help others out before yourselves! lovely_luce
  • Score: 16

4:53pm Tue 11 Mar 14

kyrrie says...

Caroline67 wrote:
What really amazes me is how people make judgmental comments about the family,when they don't even no anything about them, yes they have 7 kids so what everyone no's that are hospitals are really stretched and most off our nurses and doctors do a great job, l say most cause from personal experience last year l was in hospital and found some of the nurses to be not very people friendly, l think the point in this story is how no one even said sorry to the mother and father, from my understanding they are not looking for compensation, or a bigger house they just want to be heard
Well perhaps a thankyou to the staff for helping their child recover would be nice to. Gratitude works both ways
[quote][p][bold]Caroline67[/bold] wrote: What really amazes me is how people make judgmental comments about the family,when they don't even no anything about them, yes they have 7 kids so what everyone no's that are hospitals are really stretched and most off our nurses and doctors do a great job, l say most cause from personal experience last year l was in hospital and found some of the nurses to be not very people friendly, l think the point in this story is how no one even said sorry to the mother and father, from my understanding they are not looking for compensation, or a bigger house they just want to be heard[/p][/quote]Well perhaps a thankyou to the staff for helping their child recover would be nice to. Gratitude works both ways kyrrie
  • Score: 12

4:55pm Tue 11 Mar 14

sam1988 says...

elvisimo wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
Walter K wrote:
Another "bash the NHS" story.
When certain services are at capacity, a level of understanding should be applied in addition to gratitude for care.
I have a sneaky feeling that this family, as with many of the biggest complainers, take more out of the system than they actually contribute.
They'll be wanting a bigger house for the 7 kids soon....
looks like they will need a bigger house for the parents. the kids must be worried they are going to get squashed - or eaten...
What a pathetic thing to say
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter K[/bold] wrote: Another "bash the NHS" story. When certain services are at capacity, a level of understanding should be applied in addition to gratitude for care. I have a sneaky feeling that this family, as with many of the biggest complainers, take more out of the system than they actually contribute.[/p][/quote]They'll be wanting a bigger house for the 7 kids soon....[/p][/quote]looks like they will need a bigger house for the parents. the kids must be worried they are going to get squashed - or eaten...[/p][/quote]What a pathetic thing to say sam1988
  • Score: -7

5:03pm Tue 11 Mar 14

sam1988 says...

theoriginalwasp wrote:
sam1988 wrote:
Walter K wrote:
Another "bash the NHS" story.
When certain services are at capacity, a level of understanding should be applied in addition to gratitude for care.
I have a sneaky feeling that this family, as with many of the biggest complainers, take more out of the system than they actually contribute.
This family is far from making an unjustified complaint and how would you know they take more out of the system than they contribute, it states the father works and if they choose to have a big family that is surely up to them as he provides for his children!
How do you know he provides for his other children? Are you in-fact one of his children?

I cant afford a single child, let alone seven of the little buggers!
How pathetic, of course I'm not one of his children, I have a daughter and provide for her perfectly well as I have my own business and I could afford to have more if I chose to but I don't. Surely having seven children is nothing to do with this article, I know this family and all of there children live with them so I would class that as providing for ALL his children wouldn't you? and as it states above he works in security! So you shouldn't be so quick to pass judgement.
[quote][p][bold]theoriginalwasp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sam1988[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter K[/bold] wrote: Another "bash the NHS" story. When certain services are at capacity, a level of understanding should be applied in addition to gratitude for care. I have a sneaky feeling that this family, as with many of the biggest complainers, take more out of the system than they actually contribute.[/p][/quote]This family is far from making an unjustified complaint and how would you know they take more out of the system than they contribute, it states the father works and if they choose to have a big family that is surely up to them as he provides for his children![/p][/quote]How do you know he provides for his other children? Are you in-fact one of his children? I cant afford a single child, let alone seven of the little buggers![/p][/quote]How pathetic, of course I'm not one of his children, I have a daughter and provide for her perfectly well as I have my own business and I could afford to have more if I chose to but I don't. Surely having seven children is nothing to do with this article, I know this family and all of there children live with them so I would class that as providing for ALL his children wouldn't you? and as it states above he works in security! So you shouldn't be so quick to pass judgement. sam1988
  • Score: -8

5:41pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Bob Barnes says...

Zexagon wrote:
7 kids? He's got his hands full
What has that got to do with this story & there Sick son, you comment is not required get a life
[quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: 7 kids? He's got his hands full[/p][/quote]What has that got to do with this story & there Sick son, you comment is not required get a life Bob Barnes
  • Score: -4

6:38pm Tue 11 Mar 14

solomum says...

So the hospital are not aware of any complaint from the family? No, it is far more effective to run to the papers and bad mouth something than constructively try to handle the situation. If they are that unhappy, why have they not made a formal complaint without involving the newspapers?
So the hospital are not aware of any complaint from the family? No, it is far more effective to run to the papers and bad mouth something than constructively try to handle the situation. If they are that unhappy, why have they not made a formal complaint without involving the newspapers? solomum
  • Score: 17

8:20pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Huffter says...

We have to live in the world as it is... not the world as we would like it to be.
We have to live in the world as it is... not the world as we would like it to be. Huffter
  • Score: 2

8:24pm Tue 11 Mar 14

cymru says...

Why is it the Echo has to pick the negative story regarding AGH. What about the thousands of good stories - don't see those reported!! I found my daughter in a coma and fitting - it turned out she had a blood clot in her head. I couldn't fault the rapid response, the ambulance crew, the crash team or PICU. My daughter would be dead now without them and thousands of others too. Why not report those stories and look at statistics.
Why is it the Echo has to pick the negative story regarding AGH. What about the thousands of good stories - don't see those reported!! I found my daughter in a coma and fitting - it turned out she had a blood clot in her head. I couldn't fault the rapid response, the ambulance crew, the crash team or PICU. My daughter would be dead now without them and thousands of others too. Why not report those stories and look at statistics. cymru
  • Score: 18

11:53pm Tue 11 Mar 14

southy says...

This what happens when the private sector interfers with running a state hospital its only going to get worse while we the people allow the private sector take over
This what happens when the private sector interfers with running a state hospital its only going to get worse while we the people allow the private sector take over southy
  • Score: -7

12:17am Wed 12 Mar 14

Lemonopinion says...

I do think it was very unfortunate that this poor kid had to rest on the chair while a bed was found for him but I don't think it was very fair of his parents to go to the paper. Socialised medicine is an imperfect but brilliant system. We are so lucky to have it. It doesn't always work the way it should but we all take advantage of it in many ways. We have a lot to thank for it and I we keep picking wholes in it, it will collapse under us. Socialise medicine aims to give cheap and equal treatment to people of any financial background and it does that everyday. I think we all need to think before we attack it. There are people around the world who would kill for it, who are literally dying without basic and medicines and treatments which we take for granted. Think back to every time you needed to see you doctor, or visit you dentist or go to the hospital, every time in your life, for most they have come through, yet I see no-one writing about good experiences, everyone was to complain but some of us would not be alive today if it wasn't for the treatment we received from our NHS. It is unfortunate but people need to stop attacking a system put in place for our well being before its gone forever.
I do think it was very unfortunate that this poor kid had to rest on the chair while a bed was found for him but I don't think it was very fair of his parents to go to the paper. Socialised medicine is an imperfect but brilliant system. We are so lucky to have it. It doesn't always work the way it should but we all take advantage of it in many ways. We have a lot to thank for it and I we keep picking wholes in it, it will collapse under us. Socialise medicine aims to give cheap and equal treatment to people of any financial background and it does that everyday. I think we all need to think before we attack it. There are people around the world who would kill for it, who are literally dying without basic and medicines and treatments which we take for granted. Think back to every time you needed to see you doctor, or visit you dentist or go to the hospital, every time in your life, for most they have come through, yet I see no-one writing about good experiences, everyone was to complain but some of us would not be alive today if it wasn't for the treatment we received from our NHS. It is unfortunate but people need to stop attacking a system put in place for our well being before its gone forever. Lemonopinion
  • Score: 8

6:17am Wed 12 Mar 14

townieboy says...

Just take a little infatable bed in with you just in case. essy left in the car.
Just take a little infatable bed in with you just in case. essy left in the car. townieboy
  • Score: 0

9:33am Wed 12 Mar 14

Caroline67 says...

If no one says anything, it will never be seen how bad things are with our nhs, l get a bit fed up with reading in the echo, comments on how lucky we are to have the nhs ect, well yes we are lucky but we are not a 3rd world country, we pay taxes for the nhs as well as other things, its about time the government woke up and started putting more time and money into what's going on at home before giving money and getting involved in things that are going on in other countries, l say keep your own house in order and then look after other's, also stop giving free treatment to people that don't even come from this country.
If no one says anything, it will never be seen how bad things are with our nhs, l get a bit fed up with reading in the echo, comments on how lucky we are to have the nhs ect, well yes we are lucky but we are not a 3rd world country, we pay taxes for the nhs as well as other things, its about time the government woke up and started putting more time and money into what's going on at home before giving money and getting involved in things that are going on in other countries, l say keep your own house in order and then look after other's, also stop giving free treatment to people that don't even come from this country. Caroline67
  • Score: -4

11:49am Wed 12 Mar 14

From the sidelines says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Harold K Steptoe wrote:
Same in every hospital, just be thankful we give £11 Billion away every year. About time we started looking after our own first. We should only give money away once we have our own house in order.
Last year the government tried to introduce a new NHS patient record IT system but then it was abandoned after 10 billion had been wasted on it, but you can rest assured a lot of that money, OUR MONEY ended up in private pockets, now that is what you call a waste of cash that could have been spent on nurses.
It's the governments fault, they are inept, they should let the NHS manage itself and stop poking their beak in.
Not sure about money ending up in private pockets. The companies involved in the NHS IT project have lost massive sums through their involvement.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harold K Steptoe[/bold] wrote: Same in every hospital, just be thankful we give £11 Billion away every year. About time we started looking after our own first. We should only give money away once we have our own house in order.[/p][/quote]Last year the government tried to introduce a new NHS patient record IT system but then it was abandoned after 10 billion had been wasted on it, but you can rest assured a lot of that money, OUR MONEY ended up in private pockets, now that is what you call a waste of cash that could have been spent on nurses. It's the governments fault, they are inept, they should let the NHS manage itself and stop poking their beak in.[/p][/quote]Not sure about money ending up in private pockets. The companies involved in the NHS IT project have lost massive sums through their involvement. From the sidelines
  • Score: 0

11:53am Wed 12 Mar 14

From the sidelines says...

sam1988 wrote:
Walter K wrote:
Another "bash the NHS" story.
When certain services are at capacity, a level of understanding should be applied in addition to gratitude for care.
I have a sneaky feeling that this family, as with many of the biggest complainers, take more out of the system than they actually contribute.
This family is far from making an unjustified complaint and how would you know they take more out of the system than they contribute, it states the father works and if they choose to have a big family that is surely up to them as he provides for his children!
"...how would you know they take more out of the system than they contribute..."

You have to be earning quite a high salary before you become a net contributor in the UK. Well above median earnings.

A security guard with 7 children is highly unlikely to be in this position.
[quote][p][bold]sam1988[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter K[/bold] wrote: Another "bash the NHS" story. When certain services are at capacity, a level of understanding should be applied in addition to gratitude for care. I have a sneaky feeling that this family, as with many of the biggest complainers, take more out of the system than they actually contribute.[/p][/quote]This family is far from making an unjustified complaint and how would you know they take more out of the system than they contribute, it states the father works and if they choose to have a big family that is surely up to them as he provides for his children![/p][/quote]"...how would you know they take more out of the system than they contribute..." You have to be earning quite a high salary before you become a net contributor in the UK. Well above median earnings. A security guard with 7 children is highly unlikely to be in this position. From the sidelines
  • Score: 2

12:00pm Wed 12 Mar 14

From the sidelines says...

We have an NHS that balances demand against capacity within very close tolerances. This makes it fairly efficient (no unused beds & staff costing money), but prone to being overwhelmed by periods of high demand.

To have an NHS that has spare capacity so that it doesn't get overwhelmed would cost a great deal more money.

Some people do not wish to pay for this level of service. Those who are prepared to pay, pay for private treatment. This option is open to the Giles family.
We have an NHS that balances demand against capacity within very close tolerances. This makes it fairly efficient (no unused beds & staff costing money), but prone to being overwhelmed by periods of high demand. To have an NHS that has spare capacity so that it doesn't get overwhelmed would cost a great deal more money. Some people do not wish to pay for this level of service. Those who are prepared to pay, pay for private treatment. This option is open to the Giles family. From the sidelines
  • Score: 4

1:46pm Wed 12 Mar 14

ES1990 says...

The whole story is centered round the 'plastic chairs' ..them chairs aren't even plastic for a start! If you want 5 star service go private, the NHS is paid for by the government what more do you expect
The whole story is centered round the 'plastic chairs' ..them chairs aren't even plastic for a start! If you want 5 star service go private, the NHS is paid for by the government what more do you expect ES1990
  • Score: 1

3:11pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Inform Al says...

ES1990 wrote:
The whole story is centered round the 'plastic chairs' ..them chairs aren't even plastic for a start! If you want 5 star service go private, the NHS is paid for by the government what more do you expect
The NHS is not paid for by the government, it's paid for by me and other tax payers.
[quote][p][bold]ES1990[/bold] wrote: The whole story is centered round the 'plastic chairs' ..them chairs aren't even plastic for a start! If you want 5 star service go private, the NHS is paid for by the government what more do you expect[/p][/quote]The NHS is not paid for by the government, it's paid for by me and other tax payers. Inform Al
  • Score: -1

3:19pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Zexagon says...

Bob Barnes wrote:
Zexagon wrote:
7 kids? He's got his hands full
What has that got to do with this story & there Sick son, you comment is not required get a life
If it's not relevant why is it in the story? I'm stating a fact, like it's got anything to do with you
[quote][p][bold]Bob Barnes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: 7 kids? He's got his hands full[/p][/quote]What has that got to do with this story & there Sick son, you comment is not required get a life[/p][/quote]If it's not relevant why is it in the story? I'm stating a fact, like it's got anything to do with you Zexagon
  • Score: 3

8:18pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Antz748 says...

That's it go and get your compensation, as that's what you're after! Then when you get it I hope they stop your benefits. With 7 kids you're bound to be on handouts!
That's it go and get your compensation, as that's what you're after! Then when you get it I hope they stop your benefits. With 7 kids you're bound to be on handouts! Antz748
  • Score: 0

10:35pm Wed 12 Mar 14

dibsy1984 says...

I'd like to know at what point the parents decided to take a picture? I'd imagine when they realised there was a financial gain to be made
Our NHS try their hardest to help everyone, imagine living in the States, being on low income and having no insurance, he wouldn't have made it through the door
Its no excuse, but lets be honest, its not the end of the world, he got seen and treated and I assume made a full recovery.
Was there any need to go to the Echo? Maybe just a simple complaint to the hospital would have done
I'd like to know at what point the parents decided to take a picture? I'd imagine when they realised there was a financial gain to be made Our NHS try their hardest to help everyone, imagine living in the States, being on low income and having no insurance, he wouldn't have made it through the door Its no excuse, but lets be honest, its not the end of the world, he got seen and treated and I assume made a full recovery. Was there any need to go to the Echo? Maybe just a simple complaint to the hospital would have done dibsy1984
  • Score: 1

11:53pm Wed 12 Mar 14

sam1988 says...

From the sidelines wrote:
sam1988 wrote:
Walter K wrote:
Another "bash the NHS" story.
When certain services are at capacity, a level of understanding should be applied in addition to gratitude for care.
I have a sneaky feeling that this family, as with many of the biggest complainers, take more out of the system than they actually contribute.
This family is far from making an unjustified complaint and how would you know they take more out of the system than they contribute, it states the father works and if they choose to have a big family that is surely up to them as he provides for his children!
"...how would you know they take more out of the system than they contribute..."

You have to be earning quite a high salary before you become a net contributor in the UK. Well above median earnings.

A security guard with 7 children is highly unlikely to be in this position.
I didn't say he provided taxes for everyone what I said is he paid his part! He has 7 children and pays for them all to live, quite comfortable I may add as he is a hardworking man and his wife/mother to the children also works so you shouldn't judge! As British citizens we are entitled to NHS care that is contributed to by our taxes and every under 16yr old is entitled to this hence why they have free prescriptions, eye tests and dental care!
A 2year old little boy should not be made to wait 6hours on a chair!!! With a blood infection!!! This is a real issue that the powers above need to address hence why it has been bought to attention by this family. With the help of the media!
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sam1988[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter K[/bold] wrote: Another "bash the NHS" story. When certain services are at capacity, a level of understanding should be applied in addition to gratitude for care. I have a sneaky feeling that this family, as with many of the biggest complainers, take more out of the system than they actually contribute.[/p][/quote]This family is far from making an unjustified complaint and how would you know they take more out of the system than they contribute, it states the father works and if they choose to have a big family that is surely up to them as he provides for his children![/p][/quote]"...how would you know they take more out of the system than they contribute..." You have to be earning quite a high salary before you become a net contributor in the UK. Well above median earnings. A security guard with 7 children is highly unlikely to be in this position.[/p][/quote]I didn't say he provided taxes for everyone what I said is he paid his part! He has 7 children and pays for them all to live, quite comfortable I may add as he is a hardworking man and his wife/mother to the children also works so you shouldn't judge! As British citizens we are entitled to NHS care that is contributed to by our taxes and every under 16yr old is entitled to this hence why they have free prescriptions, eye tests and dental care! A 2year old little boy should not be made to wait 6hours on a chair!!! With a blood infection!!! This is a real issue that the powers above need to address hence why it has been bought to attention by this family. With the help of the media! sam1988
  • Score: 0

1:24am Thu 13 Mar 14

Mrs Waggily says...

Let's not forget the bigger issue here, where have that lady's eyebrows gone?
Let's not forget the bigger issue here, where have that lady's eyebrows gone? Mrs Waggily
  • Score: 4

12:21pm Thu 13 Mar 14

kiddynamite says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
kiddynamite wrote:
No all us people supporting the NHS contribute towards it with NI payments from our wages, So the likes of dole dossers can get medical assistance for FREE and then still moan about it afterwards.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the amount of money you pay in to the kitty is a pittance compared to the amount you take out. Let's not get too involved in who deserves what, eh.
Why not get in to it? For me its simple if you pay in you deserve to take out. If you don't pay in then you deserve nout and if you are lucky enough to receive some of it when you didn't pay in then be thankful. I think our NHS do a wonderful job, its just a shame some people would rather moan about it. Go and live in the US no money then they would leave you to die. Still think our NHS sucks?
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kiddynamite[/bold] wrote: No all us people supporting the NHS contribute towards it with NI payments from our wages, So the likes of dole dossers can get medical assistance for FREE and then still moan about it afterwards.[/p][/quote]I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the amount of money you pay in to the kitty is a pittance compared to the amount you take out. Let's not get too involved in who deserves what, eh.[/p][/quote]Why not get in to it? For me its simple if you pay in you deserve to take out. If you don't pay in then you deserve nout and if you are lucky enough to receive some of it when you didn't pay in then be thankful. I think our NHS do a wonderful job, its just a shame some people would rather moan about it. Go and live in the US no money then they would leave you to die. Still think our NHS sucks? kiddynamite
  • Score: 3

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