Search for driver after cyclist knocked off bike in Southampton

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A CYCLIST was left with a fractured collar bone after he was knocked off his bike on a Hampshire road.

The 66-year-old man was hit by a dark car as he cycled along Lordswood Road, Southampton, close to the junction of Malwood Avenue, around 9am on Saturday.

The car involved did not stop at the scene, but officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist.

PC Peter Watson is investigating. He said: “I’m appealing for anyone who was driving a black or dark coloured car on Lordswood Road and remembers passing a cyclist to get in touch.

"The cyclist was wearing a blue helmet and had panniers on the rear of his bike.”

Anyone with information about the incident should call PC Watson at Shirley Safer Neighbourhood Team on 101 or Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.

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12:07pm Wed 12 Mar 14

From the sidelines says...

"...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..."

With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?
"...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..." With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve? From the sidelines
  • Score: 0

12:42pm Wed 12 Mar 14

charrlee says...

From the sidelines wrote:
"...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..."

With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?
Might be a tactic t get them to own up.
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..." With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?[/p][/quote]Might be a tactic t get them to own up. charrlee
  • Score: 0

12:52pm Wed 12 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

From the sidelines wrote:
"...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..."

With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?
How do you know he was careless or inattentive? He had a fractured collar bone, which is unpleasant but relatively minor, which along with the comment in the story about remembering passing a cyclist, suggests this was not a head-on collision, but perhaps a light glancing blow as he pulled back in or something.
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..." With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?[/p][/quote]How do you know he was careless or inattentive? He had a fractured collar bone, which is unpleasant but relatively minor, which along with the comment in the story about remembering passing a cyclist, suggests this was not a head-on collision, but perhaps a light glancing blow as he pulled back in or something. gilbertratchet
  • Score: -5

12:53pm Wed 12 Mar 14

camerajuan says...

charrlee wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
"...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..."

With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?
Might be a tactic t get them to own up.
I'd much rather they paid attention.

This exact same thing happened to David Irving and tragically (and unjustly), he never saw his driver come to justice. And neither did we.
[quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..." With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?[/p][/quote]Might be a tactic t get them to own up.[/p][/quote]I'd much rather they paid attention. This exact same thing happened to David Irving and tragically (and unjustly), he never saw his driver come to justice. And neither did we. camerajuan
  • Score: 3

2:46pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

From the sidelines wrote:
"...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..."

With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?
They won't improve when the police keep going "There there, it's ok, you probably didn't know that you injured/killed someone's mother/father/son/da
ughter/nan/grandad/b
rother/sister, so we'll just give you a slap on the wrist.", what SHOULD happen is the person responsible should get a much harsher punishment.
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..." With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?[/p][/quote]They won't improve when the police keep going "There there, it's ok, you probably didn't know that you injured/killed someone's mother/father/son/da ughter/nan/grandad/b rother/sister, so we'll just give you a slap on the wrist.", what SHOULD happen is the person responsible should get a much harsher punishment. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -3

2:48pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
"...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..."

With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?
How do you know he was careless or inattentive? He had a fractured collar bone, which is unpleasant but relatively minor, which along with the comment in the story about remembering passing a cyclist, suggests this was not a head-on collision, but perhaps a light glancing blow as he pulled back in or something.
Even if it was a "glancing blow as he plled back in", it was still the drivers fault through carelessness.
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..." With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?[/p][/quote]How do you know he was careless or inattentive? He had a fractured collar bone, which is unpleasant but relatively minor, which along with the comment in the story about remembering passing a cyclist, suggests this was not a head-on collision, but perhaps a light glancing blow as he pulled back in or something.[/p][/quote]Even if it was a "glancing blow as he plled back in", it was still the drivers fault through carelessness. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -1

3:09pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Inform Al says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
"...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..."

With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?
How do you know he was careless or inattentive? He had a fractured collar bone, which is unpleasant but relatively minor, which along with the comment in the story about remembering passing a cyclist, suggests this was not a head-on collision, but perhaps a light glancing blow as he pulled back in or something.
Even if it was a "glancing blow as he plled back in", it was still the drivers fault through carelessness.
Or it could have been caused by the cyclist coming out off of his track. Until we know better it's best not to invent scenarios.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..." With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?[/p][/quote]How do you know he was careless or inattentive? He had a fractured collar bone, which is unpleasant but relatively minor, which along with the comment in the story about remembering passing a cyclist, suggests this was not a head-on collision, but perhaps a light glancing blow as he pulled back in or something.[/p][/quote]Even if it was a "glancing blow as he plled back in", it was still the drivers fault through carelessness.[/p][/quote]Or it could have been caused by the cyclist coming out off of his track. Until we know better it's best not to invent scenarios. Inform Al
  • Score: 3

4:47pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Franks Tank says...

Inform Al wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
"...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..."

With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?
How do you know he was careless or inattentive? He had a fractured collar bone, which is unpleasant but relatively minor, which along with the comment in the story about remembering passing a cyclist, suggests this was not a head-on collision, but perhaps a light glancing blow as he pulled back in or something.
Even if it was a "glancing blow as he plled back in", it was still the drivers fault through carelessness.
Or it could have been caused by the cyclist coming out off of his track. Until we know better it's best not to invent scenarios.
Highway Code Rule 163:- Give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car.

Unless the Gent was weaving around all over the place the car should have been nowhere near him.
However, we all know that some drivers will try squeeze past given half an opportunity and cut in ASAP (usually while braking for the next speed bump / traffic jam / traffic lights just ahead).

Remember cyclists, take the lane, own your space and leave no doubt about your intentions and the space you demand.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..." With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?[/p][/quote]How do you know he was careless or inattentive? He had a fractured collar bone, which is unpleasant but relatively minor, which along with the comment in the story about remembering passing a cyclist, suggests this was not a head-on collision, but perhaps a light glancing blow as he pulled back in or something.[/p][/quote]Even if it was a "glancing blow as he plled back in", it was still the drivers fault through carelessness.[/p][/quote]Or it could have been caused by the cyclist coming out off of his track. Until we know better it's best not to invent scenarios.[/p][/quote]Highway Code Rule 163:- Give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car. Unless the Gent was weaving around all over the place the car should have been nowhere near him. However, we all know that some drivers will try squeeze past given half an opportunity and cut in ASAP (usually while braking for the next speed bump / traffic jam / traffic lights just ahead). Remember cyclists, take the lane, own your space and leave no doubt about your intentions and the space you demand. Franks Tank
  • Score: 1

4:57pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Torchie1 says...

camerajuan wrote:
charrlee wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
"...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..."

With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?
Might be a tactic t get them to own up.
I'd much rather they paid attention.

This exact same thing happened to David Irving and tragically (and unjustly), he never saw his driver come to justice. And neither did we.
'We' did see justice but you didn't get to see the retribution that you had already decided was warranted well in advance of the court case.
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..." With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?[/p][/quote]Might be a tactic t get them to own up.[/p][/quote]I'd much rather they paid attention. This exact same thing happened to David Irving and tragically (and unjustly), he never saw his driver come to justice. And neither did we.[/p][/quote]'We' did see justice but you didn't get to see the retribution that you had already decided was warranted well in advance of the court case. Torchie1
  • Score: -6

5:03pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Inform Al wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
"...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..."

With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?
How do you know he was careless or inattentive? He had a fractured collar bone, which is unpleasant but relatively minor, which along with the comment in the story about remembering passing a cyclist, suggests this was not a head-on collision, but perhaps a light glancing blow as he pulled back in or something.
Even if it was a "glancing blow as he plled back in", it was still the drivers fault through carelessness.
Or it could have been caused by the cyclist coming out off of his track. Until we know better it's best not to invent scenarios.
What track?
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..." With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?[/p][/quote]How do you know he was careless or inattentive? He had a fractured collar bone, which is unpleasant but relatively minor, which along with the comment in the story about remembering passing a cyclist, suggests this was not a head-on collision, but perhaps a light glancing blow as he pulled back in or something.[/p][/quote]Even if it was a "glancing blow as he plled back in", it was still the drivers fault through carelessness.[/p][/quote]Or it could have been caused by the cyclist coming out off of his track. Until we know better it's best not to invent scenarios.[/p][/quote]What track? Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 1

5:11pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Franks Tank wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
"...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..."

With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?
How do you know he was careless or inattentive? He had a fractured collar bone, which is unpleasant but relatively minor, which along with the comment in the story about remembering passing a cyclist, suggests this was not a head-on collision, but perhaps a light glancing blow as he pulled back in or something.
Even if it was a "glancing blow as he plled back in", it was still the drivers fault through carelessness.
Or it could have been caused by the cyclist coming out off of his track. Until we know better it's best not to invent scenarios.
Highway Code Rule 163:- Give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car.

Unless the Gent was weaving around all over the place the car should have been nowhere near him.
However, we all know that some drivers will try squeeze past given half an opportunity and cut in ASAP (usually while braking for the next speed bump / traffic jam / traffic lights just ahead).

Remember cyclists, take the lane, own your space and leave no doubt about your intentions and the space you demand.
Wish it had worked on the arsehole who decided to pass within an inch of me going up Lance's Hill, every other motorist managed to pass safely, a couple even waited until they couldn't see any traffic in the overtaking lane, one of those even stayed 2 seconds behind me from Bitterne Leisure centre all the way round to the allotments where I then thanked them and coming through Northam approaching Bitterne, I even had TWO HGV's show off their proffesional driving by being patient and using the overtaking lane to pass me rather than squeezing past.
[quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..." With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?[/p][/quote]How do you know he was careless or inattentive? He had a fractured collar bone, which is unpleasant but relatively minor, which along with the comment in the story about remembering passing a cyclist, suggests this was not a head-on collision, but perhaps a light glancing blow as he pulled back in or something.[/p][/quote]Even if it was a "glancing blow as he plled back in", it was still the drivers fault through carelessness.[/p][/quote]Or it could have been caused by the cyclist coming out off of his track. Until we know better it's best not to invent scenarios.[/p][/quote]Highway Code Rule 163:- Give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car. Unless the Gent was weaving around all over the place the car should have been nowhere near him. However, we all know that some drivers will try squeeze past given half an opportunity and cut in ASAP (usually while braking for the next speed bump / traffic jam / traffic lights just ahead). Remember cyclists, take the lane, own your space and leave no doubt about your intentions and the space you demand.[/p][/quote]Wish it had worked on the arsehole who decided to pass within an inch of me going up Lance's Hill, every other motorist managed to pass safely, a couple even waited until they couldn't see any traffic in the overtaking lane, one of those even stayed 2 seconds behind me from Bitterne Leisure centre all the way round to the allotments where I then thanked them and coming through Northam approaching Bitterne, I even had TWO HGV's show off their proffesional driving by being patient and using the overtaking lane to pass me rather than squeezing past. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 2

5:14pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Torchie1 wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
charrlee wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
"...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..."

With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?
Might be a tactic t get them to own up.
I'd much rather they paid attention.

This exact same thing happened to David Irving and tragically (and unjustly), he never saw his driver come to justice. And neither did we.
'We' did see justice but you didn't get to see the retribution that you had already decided was warranted well in advance of the court case.
No, we really didn't see justice, the driver was pretty much given the "There there, it's ok, you probably didn't know that you killed someone's mother/father/son/da

ughter/nan/grandad/b

rother/sister, despite everyone else being able to NOT kill them, so we'll just give you a slap on the wrist."
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..." With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?[/p][/quote]Might be a tactic t get them to own up.[/p][/quote]I'd much rather they paid attention. This exact same thing happened to David Irving and tragically (and unjustly), he never saw his driver come to justice. And neither did we.[/p][/quote]'We' did see justice but you didn't get to see the retribution that you had already decided was warranted well in advance of the court case.[/p][/quote]No, we really didn't see justice, the driver was pretty much given the "There there, it's ok, you probably didn't know that you killed someone's mother/father/son/da ughter/nan/grandad/b rother/sister, despite everyone else being able to NOT kill them, so we'll just give you a slap on the wrist." Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -1

6:08pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Torchie1 says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
charrlee wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
"...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..."

With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?
Might be a tactic t get them to own up.
I'd much rather they paid attention.

This exact same thing happened to David Irving and tragically (and unjustly), he never saw his driver come to justice. And neither did we.
'We' did see justice but you didn't get to see the retribution that you had already decided was warranted well in advance of the court case.
No, we really didn't see justice, the driver was pretty much given the "There there, it's ok, you probably didn't know that you killed someone's mother/father/son/da


ughter/nan/grandad/b


rother/sister, despite everyone else being able to NOT kill them, so we'll just give you a slap on the wrist."
The driver was processed by the same court system that would judge you if you were charged with an offence. It's the same justice system that you claim allows you to do anything on a bicycle that you have decided is allowable but others see as a nuisance.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..." With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?[/p][/quote]Might be a tactic t get them to own up.[/p][/quote]I'd much rather they paid attention. This exact same thing happened to David Irving and tragically (and unjustly), he never saw his driver come to justice. And neither did we.[/p][/quote]'We' did see justice but you didn't get to see the retribution that you had already decided was warranted well in advance of the court case.[/p][/quote]No, we really didn't see justice, the driver was pretty much given the "There there, it's ok, you probably didn't know that you killed someone's mother/father/son/da ughter/nan/grandad/b rother/sister, despite everyone else being able to NOT kill them, so we'll just give you a slap on the wrist."[/p][/quote]The driver was processed by the same court system that would judge you if you were charged with an offence. It's the same justice system that you claim allows you to do anything on a bicycle that you have decided is allowable but others see as a nuisance. Torchie1
  • Score: -1

6:19pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
charrlee wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
"...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..."

With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?
Might be a tactic t get them to own up.
I'd much rather they paid attention.

This exact same thing happened to David Irving and tragically (and unjustly), he never saw his driver come to justice. And neither did we.
'We' did see justice but you didn't get to see the retribution that you had already decided was warranted well in advance of the court case.
No, we really didn't see justice, the driver was pretty much given the "There there, it's ok, you probably didn't know that you killed someone's mother/father/son/da



ughter/nan/grandad/b



rother/sister, despite everyone else being able to NOT kill them, so we'll just give you a slap on the wrist."
The driver was processed by the same court system that would judge you if you were charged with an offence. It's the same justice system that you claim allows you to do anything on a bicycle that you have decided is allowable but others see as a nuisance.
No, not things that I've decided to do but things that the law says I can do and I do believe that minimum sentence for causing death through careless driving is 2 years in prison, however I might be wrong, manslaughter(which it was if we're to believe the drivers story) carries a heavier punishment.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..." With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?[/p][/quote]Might be a tactic t get them to own up.[/p][/quote]I'd much rather they paid attention. This exact same thing happened to David Irving and tragically (and unjustly), he never saw his driver come to justice. And neither did we.[/p][/quote]'We' did see justice but you didn't get to see the retribution that you had already decided was warranted well in advance of the court case.[/p][/quote]No, we really didn't see justice, the driver was pretty much given the "There there, it's ok, you probably didn't know that you killed someone's mother/father/son/da ughter/nan/grandad/b rother/sister, despite everyone else being able to NOT kill them, so we'll just give you a slap on the wrist."[/p][/quote]The driver was processed by the same court system that would judge you if you were charged with an offence. It's the same justice system that you claim allows you to do anything on a bicycle that you have decided is allowable but others see as a nuisance.[/p][/quote]No, not things that I've decided to do but things that the law says I can do and I do believe that minimum sentence for causing death through careless driving is 2 years in prison, however I might be wrong, manslaughter(which it was if we're to believe the drivers story) carries a heavier punishment. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 2

6:23pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Torchie1 says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
charrlee wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
"...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..."

With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?
Might be a tactic t get them to own up.
I'd much rather they paid attention.

This exact same thing happened to David Irving and tragically (and unjustly), he never saw his driver come to justice. And neither did we.
'We' did see justice but you didn't get to see the retribution that you had already decided was warranted well in advance of the court case.
No, we really didn't see justice, the driver was pretty much given the "There there, it's ok, you probably didn't know that you killed someone's mother/father/son/da




ughter/nan/grandad/b




rother/sister, despite everyone else being able to NOT kill them, so we'll just give you a slap on the wrist."
The driver was processed by the same court system that would judge you if you were charged with an offence. It's the same justice system that you claim allows you to do anything on a bicycle that you have decided is allowable but others see as a nuisance.
No, not things that I've decided to do but things that the law says I can do and I do believe that minimum sentence for causing death through careless driving is 2 years in prison, however I might be wrong, manslaughter(which it was if we're to believe the drivers story) carries a heavier punishment.
As you say 'I believe' and when you replace the court system in the UK you can inflict what ever punishment 'you believe' but until that point the established legal system takes care of these matters and justice is served by it. Lots of people disagree with court decisions but with maturity comes acceptance that you don't always know best.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..." With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?[/p][/quote]Might be a tactic t get them to own up.[/p][/quote]I'd much rather they paid attention. This exact same thing happened to David Irving and tragically (and unjustly), he never saw his driver come to justice. And neither did we.[/p][/quote]'We' did see justice but you didn't get to see the retribution that you had already decided was warranted well in advance of the court case.[/p][/quote]No, we really didn't see justice, the driver was pretty much given the "There there, it's ok, you probably didn't know that you killed someone's mother/father/son/da ughter/nan/grandad/b rother/sister, despite everyone else being able to NOT kill them, so we'll just give you a slap on the wrist."[/p][/quote]The driver was processed by the same court system that would judge you if you were charged with an offence. It's the same justice system that you claim allows you to do anything on a bicycle that you have decided is allowable but others see as a nuisance.[/p][/quote]No, not things that I've decided to do but things that the law says I can do and I do believe that minimum sentence for causing death through careless driving is 2 years in prison, however I might be wrong, manslaughter(which it was if we're to believe the drivers story) carries a heavier punishment.[/p][/quote]As you say 'I believe' and when you replace the court system in the UK you can inflict what ever punishment 'you believe' but until that point the established legal system takes care of these matters and justice is served by it. Lots of people disagree with court decisions but with maturity comes acceptance that you don't always know best. Torchie1
  • Score: -4

6:33pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
charrlee wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
"...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..."

With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?
Might be a tactic t get them to own up.
I'd much rather they paid attention.

This exact same thing happened to David Irving and tragically (and unjustly), he never saw his driver come to justice. And neither did we.
'We' did see justice but you didn't get to see the retribution that you had already decided was warranted well in advance of the court case.
No, we really didn't see justice, the driver was pretty much given the "There there, it's ok, you probably didn't know that you killed someone's mother/father/son/da





ughter/nan/grandad/b





rother/sister, despite everyone else being able to NOT kill them, so we'll just give you a slap on the wrist."
The driver was processed by the same court system that would judge you if you were charged with an offence. It's the same justice system that you claim allows you to do anything on a bicycle that you have decided is allowable but others see as a nuisance.
No, not things that I've decided to do but things that the law says I can do and I do believe that minimum sentence for causing death through careless driving is 2 years in prison, however I might be wrong, manslaughter(which it was if we're to believe the drivers story) carries a heavier punishment.
As you say 'I believe' and when you replace the court system in the UK you can inflict what ever punishment 'you believe' but until that point the established legal system takes care of these matters and justice is served by it. Lots of people disagree with court decisions but with maturity comes acceptance that you don't always know best.
CPS website doesn't give a minimum sentence for causing death through careless driving, other than a minimum of a 1 year ban, something the driver never got, so where's the justice? Because I can't see it.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..." With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?[/p][/quote]Might be a tactic t get them to own up.[/p][/quote]I'd much rather they paid attention. This exact same thing happened to David Irving and tragically (and unjustly), he never saw his driver come to justice. And neither did we.[/p][/quote]'We' did see justice but you didn't get to see the retribution that you had already decided was warranted well in advance of the court case.[/p][/quote]No, we really didn't see justice, the driver was pretty much given the "There there, it's ok, you probably didn't know that you killed someone's mother/father/son/da ughter/nan/grandad/b rother/sister, despite everyone else being able to NOT kill them, so we'll just give you a slap on the wrist."[/p][/quote]The driver was processed by the same court system that would judge you if you were charged with an offence. It's the same justice system that you claim allows you to do anything on a bicycle that you have decided is allowable but others see as a nuisance.[/p][/quote]No, not things that I've decided to do but things that the law says I can do and I do believe that minimum sentence for causing death through careless driving is 2 years in prison, however I might be wrong, manslaughter(which it was if we're to believe the drivers story) carries a heavier punishment.[/p][/quote]As you say 'I believe' and when you replace the court system in the UK you can inflict what ever punishment 'you believe' but until that point the established legal system takes care of these matters and justice is served by it. Lots of people disagree with court decisions but with maturity comes acceptance that you don't always know best.[/p][/quote]CPS website doesn't give a minimum sentence for causing death through careless driving, other than a minimum of a 1 year ban, something the driver never got, so where's the justice? Because I can't see it. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 2

6:53pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Torchie1 says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
charrlee wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
"...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..."

With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?
Might be a tactic t get them to own up.
I'd much rather they paid attention.

This exact same thing happened to David Irving and tragically (and unjustly), he never saw his driver come to justice. And neither did we.
'We' did see justice but you didn't get to see the retribution that you had already decided was warranted well in advance of the court case.
No, we really didn't see justice, the driver was pretty much given the "There there, it's ok, you probably didn't know that you killed someone's mother/father/son/da






ughter/nan/grandad/b






rother/sister, despite everyone else being able to NOT kill them, so we'll just give you a slap on the wrist."
The driver was processed by the same court system that would judge you if you were charged with an offence. It's the same justice system that you claim allows you to do anything on a bicycle that you have decided is allowable but others see as a nuisance.
No, not things that I've decided to do but things that the law says I can do and I do believe that minimum sentence for causing death through careless driving is 2 years in prison, however I might be wrong, manslaughter(which it was if we're to believe the drivers story) carries a heavier punishment.
As you say 'I believe' and when you replace the court system in the UK you can inflict what ever punishment 'you believe' but until that point the established legal system takes care of these matters and justice is served by it. Lots of people disagree with court decisions but with maturity comes acceptance that you don't always know best.
CPS website doesn't give a minimum sentence for causing death through careless driving, other than a minimum of a 1 year ban, something the driver never got, so where's the justice? Because I can't see it.
The justice was dispensed by the court and can only be dispensed by the court which was in possession of a lot more information than you are are. I've pointed out to you in the past, like Southy you must learn that just because you think something doesn't make it right and if you don't learn that lesson as a youngster then your life is going to be one disappointment followed by another.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..." With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?[/p][/quote]Might be a tactic t get them to own up.[/p][/quote]I'd much rather they paid attention. This exact same thing happened to David Irving and tragically (and unjustly), he never saw his driver come to justice. And neither did we.[/p][/quote]'We' did see justice but you didn't get to see the retribution that you had already decided was warranted well in advance of the court case.[/p][/quote]No, we really didn't see justice, the driver was pretty much given the "There there, it's ok, you probably didn't know that you killed someone's mother/father/son/da ughter/nan/grandad/b rother/sister, despite everyone else being able to NOT kill them, so we'll just give you a slap on the wrist."[/p][/quote]The driver was processed by the same court system that would judge you if you were charged with an offence. It's the same justice system that you claim allows you to do anything on a bicycle that you have decided is allowable but others see as a nuisance.[/p][/quote]No, not things that I've decided to do but things that the law says I can do and I do believe that minimum sentence for causing death through careless driving is 2 years in prison, however I might be wrong, manslaughter(which it was if we're to believe the drivers story) carries a heavier punishment.[/p][/quote]As you say 'I believe' and when you replace the court system in the UK you can inflict what ever punishment 'you believe' but until that point the established legal system takes care of these matters and justice is served by it. Lots of people disagree with court decisions but with maturity comes acceptance that you don't always know best.[/p][/quote]CPS website doesn't give a minimum sentence for causing death through careless driving, other than a minimum of a 1 year ban, something the driver never got, so where's the justice? Because I can't see it.[/p][/quote]The justice was dispensed by the court and can only be dispensed by the court which was in possession of a lot more information than you are are. I've pointed out to you in the past, like Southy you must learn that just because you think something doesn't make it right and if you don't learn that lesson as a youngster then your life is going to be one disappointment followed by another. Torchie1
  • Score: -2

7:51pm Wed 12 Mar 14

charrlee says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
charrlee wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
"...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..."

With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?
Might be a tactic t get them to own up.
I'd much rather they paid attention.

This exact same thing happened to David Irving and tragically (and unjustly), he never saw his driver come to justice. And neither did we.
'We' did see justice but you didn't get to see the retribution that you had already decided was warranted well in advance of the court case.
No, we really didn't see justice, the driver was pretty much given the "There there, it's ok, you probably didn't know that you killed someone's mother/father/son/da







ughter/nan/grandad/b







rother/sister, despite everyone else being able to NOT kill them, so we'll just give you a slap on the wrist."
The driver was processed by the same court system that would judge you if you were charged with an offence. It's the same justice system that you claim allows you to do anything on a bicycle that you have decided is allowable but others see as a nuisance.
No, not things that I've decided to do but things that the law says I can do and I do believe that minimum sentence for causing death through careless driving is 2 years in prison, however I might be wrong, manslaughter(which it was if we're to believe the drivers story) carries a heavier punishment.
As you say 'I believe' and when you replace the court system in the UK you can inflict what ever punishment 'you believe' but until that point the established legal system takes care of these matters and justice is served by it. Lots of people disagree with court decisions but with maturity comes acceptance that you don't always know best.
CPS website doesn't give a minimum sentence for causing death through careless driving, other than a minimum of a 1 year ban, something the driver never got, so where's the justice? Because I can't see it.
The justice was dispensed by the court and can only be dispensed by the court which was in possession of a lot more information than you are are. I've pointed out to you in the past, like Southy you must learn that just because you think something doesn't make it right and if you don't learn that lesson as a youngster then your life is going to be one disappointment followed by another.
Ginger has been quite open on this forum about his Asperger's Syndrome. Regarding what he thinks is right : He thinks it is right to film drivers making what he believes to be unacceptable errors, and present them on You Tube. In many respects it IS right, as it educates novice cyclists as to what sort of dangers they may need to watch out for. Aspies tend to view everything exclusively from an objective point of view. But is it morally right, is it socially acceptable to do this? Aspies would say yes, emphatically, but non-aspies would argue all day about it. For most of them, being subjective - well it's another planet.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..." With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?[/p][/quote]Might be a tactic t get them to own up.[/p][/quote]I'd much rather they paid attention. This exact same thing happened to David Irving and tragically (and unjustly), he never saw his driver come to justice. And neither did we.[/p][/quote]'We' did see justice but you didn't get to see the retribution that you had already decided was warranted well in advance of the court case.[/p][/quote]No, we really didn't see justice, the driver was pretty much given the "There there, it's ok, you probably didn't know that you killed someone's mother/father/son/da ughter/nan/grandad/b rother/sister, despite everyone else being able to NOT kill them, so we'll just give you a slap on the wrist."[/p][/quote]The driver was processed by the same court system that would judge you if you were charged with an offence. It's the same justice system that you claim allows you to do anything on a bicycle that you have decided is allowable but others see as a nuisance.[/p][/quote]No, not things that I've decided to do but things that the law says I can do and I do believe that minimum sentence for causing death through careless driving is 2 years in prison, however I might be wrong, manslaughter(which it was if we're to believe the drivers story) carries a heavier punishment.[/p][/quote]As you say 'I believe' and when you replace the court system in the UK you can inflict what ever punishment 'you believe' but until that point the established legal system takes care of these matters and justice is served by it. Lots of people disagree with court decisions but with maturity comes acceptance that you don't always know best.[/p][/quote]CPS website doesn't give a minimum sentence for causing death through careless driving, other than a minimum of a 1 year ban, something the driver never got, so where's the justice? Because I can't see it.[/p][/quote]The justice was dispensed by the court and can only be dispensed by the court which was in possession of a lot more information than you are are. I've pointed out to you in the past, like Southy you must learn that just because you think something doesn't make it right and if you don't learn that lesson as a youngster then your life is going to be one disappointment followed by another.[/p][/quote]Ginger has been quite open on this forum about his Asperger's Syndrome. Regarding what he thinks is right : He thinks it is right to film drivers making what he believes to be unacceptable errors, and present them on You Tube. In many respects it IS right, as it educates novice cyclists as to what sort of dangers they may need to watch out for. Aspies tend to view everything exclusively from an objective point of view. But is it morally right, is it socially acceptable to do this? Aspies would say yes, emphatically, but non-aspies would argue all day about it. For most of them, being subjective - well it's another planet. charrlee
  • Score: -2

10:43pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Torchie1 says...

charrlee wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
charrlee wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
"...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..."

With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?
Might be a tactic t get them to own up.
I'd much rather they paid attention.

This exact same thing happened to David Irving and tragically (and unjustly), he never saw his driver come to justice. And neither did we.
'We' did see justice but you didn't get to see the retribution that you had already decided was warranted well in advance of the court case.
No, we really didn't see justice, the driver was pretty much given the "There there, it's ok, you probably didn't know that you killed someone's mother/father/son/da








ughter/nan/grandad/b








rother/sister, despite everyone else being able to NOT kill them, so we'll just give you a slap on the wrist."
The driver was processed by the same court system that would judge you if you were charged with an offence. It's the same justice system that you claim allows you to do anything on a bicycle that you have decided is allowable but others see as a nuisance.
No, not things that I've decided to do but things that the law says I can do and I do believe that minimum sentence for causing death through careless driving is 2 years in prison, however I might be wrong, manslaughter(which it was if we're to believe the drivers story) carries a heavier punishment.
As you say 'I believe' and when you replace the court system in the UK you can inflict what ever punishment 'you believe' but until that point the established legal system takes care of these matters and justice is served by it. Lots of people disagree with court decisions but with maturity comes acceptance that you don't always know best.
CPS website doesn't give a minimum sentence for causing death through careless driving, other than a minimum of a 1 year ban, something the driver never got, so where's the justice? Because I can't see it.
The justice was dispensed by the court and can only be dispensed by the court which was in possession of a lot more information than you are are. I've pointed out to you in the past, like Southy you must learn that just because you think something doesn't make it right and if you don't learn that lesson as a youngster then your life is going to be one disappointment followed by another.
Ginger has been quite open on this forum about his Asperger's Syndrome. Regarding what he thinks is right : He thinks it is right to film drivers making what he believes to be unacceptable errors, and present them on You Tube. In many respects it IS right, as it educates novice cyclists as to what sort of dangers they may need to watch out for. Aspies tend to view everything exclusively from an objective point of view. But is it morally right, is it socially acceptable to do this? Aspies would say yes, emphatically, but non-aspies would argue all day about it. For most of them, being subjective - well it's another planet.
It seems that a life of disappointment is inevitable if someone chooses to only believe what they alone decide is right.
[quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..." With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?[/p][/quote]Might be a tactic t get them to own up.[/p][/quote]I'd much rather they paid attention. This exact same thing happened to David Irving and tragically (and unjustly), he never saw his driver come to justice. And neither did we.[/p][/quote]'We' did see justice but you didn't get to see the retribution that you had already decided was warranted well in advance of the court case.[/p][/quote]No, we really didn't see justice, the driver was pretty much given the "There there, it's ok, you probably didn't know that you killed someone's mother/father/son/da ughter/nan/grandad/b rother/sister, despite everyone else being able to NOT kill them, so we'll just give you a slap on the wrist."[/p][/quote]The driver was processed by the same court system that would judge you if you were charged with an offence. It's the same justice system that you claim allows you to do anything on a bicycle that you have decided is allowable but others see as a nuisance.[/p][/quote]No, not things that I've decided to do but things that the law says I can do and I do believe that minimum sentence for causing death through careless driving is 2 years in prison, however I might be wrong, manslaughter(which it was if we're to believe the drivers story) carries a heavier punishment.[/p][/quote]As you say 'I believe' and when you replace the court system in the UK you can inflict what ever punishment 'you believe' but until that point the established legal system takes care of these matters and justice is served by it. Lots of people disagree with court decisions but with maturity comes acceptance that you don't always know best.[/p][/quote]CPS website doesn't give a minimum sentence for causing death through careless driving, other than a minimum of a 1 year ban, something the driver never got, so where's the justice? Because I can't see it.[/p][/quote]The justice was dispensed by the court and can only be dispensed by the court which was in possession of a lot more information than you are are. I've pointed out to you in the past, like Southy you must learn that just because you think something doesn't make it right and if you don't learn that lesson as a youngster then your life is going to be one disappointment followed by another.[/p][/quote]Ginger has been quite open on this forum about his Asperger's Syndrome. Regarding what he thinks is right : He thinks it is right to film drivers making what he believes to be unacceptable errors, and present them on You Tube. In many respects it IS right, as it educates novice cyclists as to what sort of dangers they may need to watch out for. Aspies tend to view everything exclusively from an objective point of view. But is it morally right, is it socially acceptable to do this? Aspies would say yes, emphatically, but non-aspies would argue all day about it. For most of them, being subjective - well it's another planet.[/p][/quote]It seems that a life of disappointment is inevitable if someone chooses to only believe what they alone decide is right. Torchie1
  • Score: -3

11:47pm Wed 12 Mar 14

charrlee says...

Torchie1 wrote:
charrlee wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
charrlee wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
"...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..."

With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?
Might be a tactic t get them to own up.
I'd much rather they paid attention.

This exact same thing happened to David Irving and tragically (and unjustly), he never saw his driver come to justice. And neither did we.
'We' did see justice but you didn't get to see the retribution that you had already decided was warranted well in advance of the court case.
No, we really didn't see justice, the driver was pretty much given the "There there, it's ok, you probably didn't know that you killed someone's mother/father/son/da









ughter/nan/grandad/b









rother/sister, despite everyone else being able to NOT kill them, so we'll just give you a slap on the wrist."
The driver was processed by the same court system that would judge you if you were charged with an offence. It's the same justice system that you claim allows you to do anything on a bicycle that you have decided is allowable but others see as a nuisance.
No, not things that I've decided to do but things that the law says I can do and I do believe that minimum sentence for causing death through careless driving is 2 years in prison, however I might be wrong, manslaughter(which it was if we're to believe the drivers story) carries a heavier punishment.
As you say 'I believe' and when you replace the court system in the UK you can inflict what ever punishment 'you believe' but until that point the established legal system takes care of these matters and justice is served by it. Lots of people disagree with court decisions but with maturity comes acceptance that you don't always know best.
CPS website doesn't give a minimum sentence for causing death through careless driving, other than a minimum of a 1 year ban, something the driver never got, so where's the justice? Because I can't see it.
The justice was dispensed by the court and can only be dispensed by the court which was in possession of a lot more information than you are are. I've pointed out to you in the past, like Southy you must learn that just because you think something doesn't make it right and if you don't learn that lesson as a youngster then your life is going to be one disappointment followed by another.
Ginger has been quite open on this forum about his Asperger's Syndrome. Regarding what he thinks is right : He thinks it is right to film drivers making what he believes to be unacceptable errors, and present them on You Tube. In many respects it IS right, as it educates novice cyclists as to what sort of dangers they may need to watch out for. Aspies tend to view everything exclusively from an objective point of view. But is it morally right, is it socially acceptable to do this? Aspies would say yes, emphatically, but non-aspies would argue all day about it. For most of them, being subjective - well it's another planet.
It seems that a life of disappointment is inevitable if someone chooses to only believe what they alone decide is right.
You had a chance to rethink and be supportive here. That would have been right. But you chose "cold light of day" face reality stuff, and that is right too! 500 years ago they thought it was right to burn witches. We say that was wrong. But were all the people accused of witchcraft innocent? Maybe some truly evil people got burned. And up until about 50 years ago, they used to hang murderers. People must have thought that was right at the time. Then they thought it was right to abolish capital punishment - was that right?

Going on what you say, Jesus must have been very disappointed when they crucified Him.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "...officers think it is possible that the driver may not have realised they had hit a cyclist..." With the police already excusing the driver's carelessness, inattention, and lack of observation, how are driving standards ever going to improve?[/p][/quote]Might be a tactic t get them to own up.[/p][/quote]I'd much rather they paid attention. This exact same thing happened to David Irving and tragically (and unjustly), he never saw his driver come to justice. And neither did we.[/p][/quote]'We' did see justice but you didn't get to see the retribution that you had already decided was warranted well in advance of the court case.[/p][/quote]No, we really didn't see justice, the driver was pretty much given the "There there, it's ok, you probably didn't know that you killed someone's mother/father/son/da ughter/nan/grandad/b rother/sister, despite everyone else being able to NOT kill them, so we'll just give you a slap on the wrist."[/p][/quote]The driver was processed by the same court system that would judge you if you were charged with an offence. It's the same justice system that you claim allows you to do anything on a bicycle that you have decided is allowable but others see as a nuisance.[/p][/quote]No, not things that I've decided to do but things that the law says I can do and I do believe that minimum sentence for causing death through careless driving is 2 years in prison, however I might be wrong, manslaughter(which it was if we're to believe the drivers story) carries a heavier punishment.[/p][/quote]As you say 'I believe' and when you replace the court system in the UK you can inflict what ever punishment 'you believe' but until that point the established legal system takes care of these matters and justice is served by it. Lots of people disagree with court decisions but with maturity comes acceptance that you don't always know best.[/p][/quote]CPS website doesn't give a minimum sentence for causing death through careless driving, other than a minimum of a 1 year ban, something the driver never got, so where's the justice? Because I can't see it.[/p][/quote]The justice was dispensed by the court and can only be dispensed by the court which was in possession of a lot more information than you are are. I've pointed out to you in the past, like Southy you must learn that just because you think something doesn't make it right and if you don't learn that lesson as a youngster then your life is going to be one disappointment followed by another.[/p][/quote]Ginger has been quite open on this forum about his Asperger's Syndrome. Regarding what he thinks is right : He thinks it is right to film drivers making what he believes to be unacceptable errors, and present them on You Tube. In many respects it IS right, as it educates novice cyclists as to what sort of dangers they may need to watch out for. Aspies tend to view everything exclusively from an objective point of view. But is it morally right, is it socially acceptable to do this? Aspies would say yes, emphatically, but non-aspies would argue all day about it. For most of them, being subjective - well it's another planet.[/p][/quote]It seems that a life of disappointment is inevitable if someone chooses to only believe what they alone decide is right.[/p][/quote]You had a chance to rethink and be supportive here. That would have been right. But you chose "cold light of day" face reality stuff, and that is right too! 500 years ago they thought it was right to burn witches. We say that was wrong. But were all the people accused of witchcraft innocent? Maybe some truly evil people got burned. And up until about 50 years ago, they used to hang murderers. People must have thought that was right at the time. Then they thought it was right to abolish capital punishment - was that right? Going on what you say, Jesus must have been very disappointed when they crucified Him. charrlee
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9:56am Thu 13 Mar 14

camerajuan says...

Torchie - Explain what you think would have been a fair punishment for the driver who killed David Irving please? Hint - The answer is not "What he got".
Torchie - Explain what you think would have been a fair punishment for the driver who killed David Irving please? Hint - The answer is not "What he got". camerajuan
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